HC Deb 03 April 1933 vol 276 cc1543-9

10.43 p.m.

Mr. CHARLES BROWN

I beg to move, in page 6, line 4, to leave out the word "Tenpence" and to insert instead thereof the words "one shilling and sixpence."

By some strange mental aberration the Financial Secretary at an earlier stage to-day implied that we were under the impression that this was something new. I can assure him that he was entirely wrong. No one on these benches thinks any Member of the National Government

is capable of bringing any new proposal before the House at all. As a matter of fact, this Schedule is a most antiquated set of proposals and what we are asking is that it shall be brought up to date. Tenpence a night for a soldier's lodging in the third decade of the twentieth century is an astonishing proposal for a National Government to bring before the House. Nothing decent can be obtained under 1s. 6d.

Question put, "That the word 'Ten-pence' stand part of the Schedule."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 264; Noes, 44.

Division No. 107.] AYES. [10.44 p.m.
Agnew, Lieut.-Com. P. G. Benn, Sir Arthur Shirley Burnett, John George
Aitchison, Rt. Hon. Craigie M. Bernays. Robert Cadogan, Hon. Edward
Albery, Irving James Bevan, Stuart James (Holborn) Caine, G. R. Hall-
Allen, William (Stoke-on-Trent) Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman Campbell, Edward Taswell (Bromley)
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Bird, Ernest Roy (Yorks., Skipton) Campbell, Vice-Admiral G. (Burnley)
Anstruther-Gray, W. J. Bossom, A. C. Campbell-Johnston, Malcolm
Aske, Sir Robert William Boulton, W. W. Caporn, Arthur Cecil
Astbury, Lieut.-Com. Frederick Wolfe Bowyer, Capt. Sir George E. W. Carver, Major William H.
Baillie, Sir Adrian W. M. Braithwaite, J. G. (Hillsborough) Castlereagh, Viscount
Balfour, George (Hampstead) Broadbent, Colonel John Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.)
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Brocklebank, C. E. R. Cazalet, Capt. V. A. (Chippenham)
Barrie, Sir Charles Coupar Brown, Ernest (Leith) Chapman, Col. R.(Houghton-le-Spring)
Bateman, A. L. Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks., Newb'y) Christie, James Archibald
Beauchamp, Sir Brograve Campbell Buchan, John Clarke, Frank
Beaumont, M. W. (Bucks., Aylesbury) Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T. Clarry, Reginald George
Beaumont, Hon. R.E.B. (Portsm'th,C.) Burghley, Lord Clayton, Dr. George C.
Colfox, Major William Philip Jennings, Roland Reid, Capt. A. Cunningham-
Colman, N. C. D. Joel, Dudley J. Barnato Reid, James S. C. (Stirling)
Colville, Lieut.-Colonel J. Johnstone, Harcourt (S. Shields) Reid, William Allan (Derby)
Conant, R. J. E. Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Rentoul, Sir Gervais S.
Cook, Thomas A. Ker, J. Campbell Rhys, Hon. Charles Arthur U.
Cooke, Douglas Kerr, Hamilton W. Roberts, Aled (Wrexham)
Cooper, A. Duff Lamb, Sir Joseph Quinton Roberts, Sir Samuel (Ecclesall)
Courthope, Colonel Sir George L. Latham, Sir Herbert Paul Robinson, John Roland
Cranborne, Viscount Law, Richard K. (Hull, S.W.) Ropner, Colonel L.
Craven-Ellis, William Leighton, Major B. E. P. Rosbotham, Sir Samuel
Crookshank, Col. C. de Windt (Bootle) Lennox-Boyd, A. T. Ross, Ronald D.
Cross, R. H. Lewis, Oswald Ross Taylor, Walter (Woodbridge)
Cruddas, Lieut.-Colonel Bernard Liddall, Walter S. Runge, Norah Cecil
Culverwell, Cyril Tom Little, Graham-, sir Ernest Russell, Richard John (Eddisbury)
Curry, A. C. Llewellin, Major John J. Rutherford, Sir John Hugo (Liverp'l)
Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset,Yeovil) Llewellyn-Jones, Frederick Salmon, Sir Isidore
Dickie, John P. Locker-Lampson, Com. O. (H'ndsw'th) Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Donner, P. W. Loder, Captain J. de Vere Sandeman, Sir A. N. Stewart
Drewe, Cedric Lovat-Fraser, James Alexander Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. D.
Duckworth, George A. V. MacAndrew, Lt.-Col C. G. (Partick) Savery, Samuel Servington
Duggan, Hubert John MacAndraw, Capt. J. O. (Ayr) Scone, Lord
Duncan, James A. L.(Kensington,N.) McCorquodale, M. S. Shaw, Helen B. (Lanark, Bothwell)
Eastwood, John Francis Macdonald, Sir Murdoch (Inverness) Shepperson, Sir Ernest W.
Eden, Robert Anthony Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) Sinclair, Maj. Rt. Hn. Sir A.(C'thness)
Elmley, Viscount McKie, John Hamilton Sinclair, Col. T. (Queen's Unv., Belfast)
Emmott, Charles E. G. C. McLean, Major Sir Alan Skelton, Archibald Noel
Emrys-Evans, P. V. McLean, Dr. W. H. (Tradeston) Smiles, Lieut.-Col. Sir Walter D.
Entwistle, Cyril Fullard Maitland, Adam Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine,C.)
Erskine, Lord (Weston-super-Mare) Makins, Brigadier-General Ernest Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Erskine-Bolst, Capt. C. C. (Blk'pool) Mallalieu, Edward Lancelot Somervell, Donald Bradley
Essenhigh, Reginald Clare Manningham-Buller, Lt.-Col. Sir M. Somerville, Annesley A. (Windsor)
Fleming, Edward Lascelles Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R. Somerville, D. G. (Willesden, East)
Foot, Dingle (Dundee) Mayhew, Lieut.-Colonel John Soper, Richard
Fox, Sir Gifford Meller, Richard James Sotheron-Estcourt, Captain T. E.
Fremantle, Sir Francis Merriman, Sir F. Boyd Spears, Brigadier-General Edward L.
Fuller, Captain A. G. Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest) Spencer, Captain Richard A.
Ganzoni, Sir John Mitcheson, G. G. Spender-Clay, Rt. Hon. Herbert H.
George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Molson, A. Hugh Elsdale Spens, William Patrick
Gibson, Charles Granville Monsell, Rt. Hon. Sir B. Eyres Stanley, Lord (Lancaster, Fylde)
Glossop, C. W. H. Moreing, Adrian C. Stanley, Hon. O. F. C. (Westmorland)
Gluckstein, Louis Halle Morris, John Patrick (Salford, N.) Steel-Maitland, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur
Goff, Sir Park Morris, Owen Temple (Cardiff, E.) Stevenson, James
Goodman, Colonel Albert W. Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh) Stewart, J. H. (Fife, E.)
Grattan-Doyle, Sir Nicholas Morrison, William Shepherd Strauss, Edward A.
Greene, William P. C. Muirhead, Major A. J. Strickland, Captain W. F.
Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middlesbro', W.) Munro, Patrick Stuart, Lord C. Crichton-
Grimston, R. V. Nail, Sir Joseph Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray F.
Gritten, W. G. Howard Nall-Cain, Hon. Ronald Sugden, Sir Wilfrid Hart
Gunston, Captain D. W. Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H. Sutcliffe, Harold
Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H. Newton, Sir Douglas George C. Tate, Mavis Constance
Hales, Harold K. Nunn, William Thomas, James P. L. (Hereford)
Hall, Capt, W. D'Arcy (Brecon) O'Donovan, Dr. William James Thompson, Luke
Hanley, Dennis A. Owen, Major Goronwy Thomson, Sir Frederick Charles
Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Patrick, Colin M. Thorp, Linton Theodore
Hartington, Marquess of Pearson, William G. Touche, Gordon Cosmo
Hartland, George A. Penny, Sir George Wallace, Captain D. E. (Hornsey)
Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Perkins, Walter R. D. Ward, Lt.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Haslam, Henry (Horncastle) Petherick, M. Ward, Irene Mary Bewick (Wallsend)
Headlam, Lieut.-Col. Cuthbert M. Peto, Geoffrey K.(W'verh'pt'n, Bilst'n) Warrender, Sir Victor A. G.
Hellgers, Captain F. F. A. Pickford, Hon. Mary Ada Wells, Sydney Richard
Henderson, Sir Vivian L. (Chelmsford) Pike, Cecil F. Weymouth, Viscount
Hills, Major Rt. Hon. John Waller Potter, John Whyte, Jardine Bell
Holdsworth, Herbert Powell, Lieut.-Col. Evelyn G. H. Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Hope, Capt. Hon. A. O. J. (Aston) Pownall, Sir Assheton Williams, Herbert G. (Croydon, S.)
Hornby, Frank Procter, Major Henry Adam Wills, Wilfrid D.
Horsbrugh, Florence Raikes, Henry V. A. M. Windsor-Clive, Lieut-Colonel George
Howitt, Dr. Alfred B. Ramsay, Capt. A. H. M. (Midlothian) Womersley, Walter James
Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney,N.) Ramsay, T. B. W. (Western Isles) Wood, Sir Murdoch McKenzie (Banff)
Hume, Sir George Hopwood Ramsden, Sir Eugene Worthington, Dr. John V.
Inskip, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas W. H. Rankin, Robert Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton(S'v'noaks)
Jackson, Sir Henry (Wandsworth, C.) Ray, Sir William
James, Wing-Com. A. W. H. Rea, Walter Russell TELLERS FOR THE AYES.
Janner, Barnett Reed, Arthur C. (Exeter) Mr. Blindell and Commander Southby.
NOES.
Adams, D. M. (Poplar, South) Cripps, Sir Stafford Hall, F. (York, W.R., Normanton)
Attlee, Clement Richard Daggar, George Hall, George H. (Merthyr Tydvil)
Banfield, John William Davies, David L. (Pontypridd) Hicks, Ernest George
Batey, Joseph Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Hirst, George Henry
Brown, C. W. E. (Notts., Mansfield) Edwards, Charles Jenkins, Sir William
Cape, Thomas Greenwood, Rt. Hon. Arthur John, William
Cocks, Frederick Seymour Grenfell, David Rees (Glamorgan) Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly)
Cove, William G. Grundy, Thomas W. Kirkwood, David
Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George Maxton, James Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Lawson, John James Milner, Major James Williams, Edward John (Ogmore)
Leonard, William Nathan, Major H. L. Williams, Dr. John H. (Llanelly)
Logan, David Gilbert Parkinson, John Allen Williams, Thomas (York, Don Valley)
Lunn, William Price, Gabriel
McEntee, Valentine L. Rathbone, Eleanor TELLERS FOR THE NOES.
McGovern, John Thorns, William James Mr. D. Graham and Mr. Groves.
Maclean, Neil (Glasgow, Govan) Tinker, John Joseph

Motion made, and Question put, "That this Schedule be the Schedule to the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 258; Noes, 42.

Division No. 108.] AYES. [10.53 p.m.
Agnew, Lieut.-Com. P. G. Duncan, James A. L. (Kensington, N.) Lovat-Fraser, James Alexander
Aitchison, Rt. Hon. Craigie M. Eastwood, John Francis Mac Andrew, Lieut.-Col. C. G. (Partick)
Albery, Irving James Elliot, Major Rt. Hon. Walter E. MacAndrew, Capt. J. O. (Ayr)
Allen, William (Stoke-on-Trent) Elmley, Viscount McCorquodale, M. S.
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Emmott, Charles E. G. C. Macdonald, Sir Murdoch (Inverness)
Anstruther-Gray, W. J. Emrys-Evans, P. V. Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.)
Aske, Sir Robert William Entwistle, Cyril Fullard McKie, John Hamilton
Astbury, Lieut.-Com. Frederick Wolfe Erskine, Lord (Weston-super-Mare) Maclay, Hon Joseph Paton
Baillie, Sir Adrian W. M. Erskine-Bolst, Capt. C. C. (Blackpool) McLean, Major Sir Alan
Baldwin-Webb, Colonel J. Essenhigh, Reginald Clare McLean, Dr. W. H. (Tradeston)
Balfour, George (Hampstead) Fleming, Edward Lascelles Makins, Brigadier-General Ernest
Balniel, Lord Foot, Dingle (Dundee) Mallalieu, Edward Lancelot
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Fox, Sir Gilford Manningham-Buller, Lt.-Col. Sir M.
Barrie, Sir Charles Coupar Fremantle, sir Francis Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R.
Bateman, A. L. Fuller, Captain A. G. Mayhew, Lieut.-Colonel John
Beauchamp, Sir Brograve Campbell Ganzoni, Sir John Merriman, Sir F. Boyd
Beaumont, M. W. (Bucks., Aylesbury) George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest)
Beaumont, Hon. R.E.B. (Portsm'th, C.) Gibson, Charles Granville Mitcheson, G. G.
Benn, Sir Arthur Shirley Glossop, C. W. H. Molson, A. Hugh Elsdale
Bernays, Robert Gluckstein, Louis Halle Monsell, Rt. Hon. Sir B. Eyres
Bevan, Stuart James (Holborn) Goff, Sir Park Moreing, Adrian C.
Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman Goodman, Colonel Albert W. Morris, John Patrick (Salford, N.)
Bird, Ernest Roy (Yorks., Skipton) Greene, William P. C. Morris, Owen Temple (Cardiff, E.)
Blindell, James Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middlesbro', W.) Muirhead, Major A. J.
Bossom, A. C. Grimston, R. V. Munro, Patrick
Boulton, W. W. Gritten, W. G. Howard Nail, Sir Joseph
Bowyer, Capt. Sir George E. W. Gunston, Captain D. W. Nall-Cain, Hon. Ronald
Braithwaite, J. G. (Hillsborough) Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H. Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H.
Broadbent, Colonel John Hales, Harold K. Newton, Sir Douglas George C.
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Hall, Capt. W. D'Arcy (Brecon) Nunn, William
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Hanley, Dennis A. O'Donovan, Dr. William James
Brown, Brig.-Gen.H.C.(Berks., Newb'y) Hartington, Marquess of Owen, Major Goronwy
Burghley, Lord Hartland, George A. Patrick, Colin M.
Burnett, John George Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Pearson, William G.
Cadogan, Hon. Edward Haslam, Henry (Horncastle) Perkins, Walter R. D.
Caine, G. R. Hall- Headlam, Lieut.-Col. Cuthbert M. Petherick, M.
Campbell, Edward Taswell (Bromley) Hellgers, Captain F. F. A. Peto, Geoffrey K.(W'verh'pt'n, Bilst'n)
Campbell, Vice-Admiral G. (Burnley) Henderson, Sir Vivian L. (Chelmsford) Pickford, Hon. Mary Ada
Campbell-Johnston, Malcolm Hills, Major Rt. Hon. John Waller Pike, Cecil F.
Caporn, Arthur Cecil Holdsworth, Herbert Potter, John
Carver, Major William H. Hope, Capt. Hon. A. O. J. (Aston) Powell, Lieut.-Col. Evelyn G. H.
Castlereagh, Viscount Hornby, Frank Pownall, Sir Assheton
Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) Horsbrugh, Florence Procter, Major Henry Adam
Cazalet, Capt. V. A. (Chippenham) Howitt, Dr. Alfred B. Raikes, Henry V. A. M.
Chapman, Col. R.(Houghton-le-Spring) Hudson, Capt. A. U.M. (Hackney, N.) Ramsay, Capt. A. H. M. (Midlothian)
Clarke, Frank Hume, Sir George Hopwood Ramsay, T. B. W. (Western Isles)
Clarry, Reginald George Hunter, Dr. Joseph (Dumfries) Ramsden, Sir Eugene
Clayton, Dr. George C. Inskip, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas W. H. Rankin, Robert
Colfox, Major William Philip Jackson, Sir Henry (Wandsworth, C.) Ray, Sir William
Colman, N. C. D. James, Wing.-Com. A. W. H. Rea, Walter Russell
Colville, Lieut.-Colonel J. Janner, Barnett Reed, Arthur C. (Exeter)
Conant, R. J. E. Jennings, Roland Reid, Capt. A. Cunningham-
Cook, Thomas A. Joel, Dudley J. Barnato Raid, James S. c (Stirling)
Cooke, Douglas Johnstone, Harcourt (S. Shields) Reid, William Allan (Derby)
Cooper, A. Duff Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Remer, John R.
Courthope, Colonel Sir George L. Ker, J. Campbell Rhys, Hon. Charles Arthur U.
Cranborne, Viscount Kerr, Hamilton W. Roberts, Aled (Wrexham)
Craven-Ellis, William Lamb, Sir Joseph Quinton Roberts, Sir Samuel (Ecclesall)
Crookshank, Col. C. de Windt (Bootle) Latham, Sir Herbert Paul Robinson, John Roland
Cross, R. H. Law, Richard K. (Hull, S.W.) Ropner, Colonel L.
Cruddas, Lieut.-Colonel Bernard Leighton, Major B. E. P. Rosbotham, Sir Samuel
Culverwell, Cyril Tom Lennox-Boyd, A. T. Ross, Ronald D.
Curry, A. C. Lewis, Oswald Ross Taylor, Walter (Woodbridge)
Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset, Yeovil) Liddall, Walter S. Runge, Norah Cecil
Dickie, John P. Little, Graham., Sir Ernest Russell, Richard John (Eddisbury)
Donner, P. W. Llewellin, Major John J. Rutherford, Sir John Hugo (Liverp'l)
Drewe, Cedric Llewellyn-Jones, Frederick Salmon, Sir Isidore
Duckworth, George A. V. Locker-Lampson, Com. O. (H'ndsw'th) Samuel, Sir Arthur Michael (F'nham)
Duggan, Hubert John Loder, Captain J. de Vere Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Sandeman, Sir A. N. Stewart Spencer, Captain Richard A. Wallace, Captain D. E. (Hornsey)
Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. D. Stanley, Lord (Lancaster, Fylde) Ward, Lt.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Savery, Samuel Servington Stanley Hon. O. F. G. (Westmorland) Ward, Irene Mary Bewick (Wallsend)
Scone, Lord Steel-Maitland, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur Warrender, Sir Victor A. G.
Shaw, Helen B. (Lanark, Bothwell) Stevenson, James Wells, Sydney Richard
Shepperson, Sir Ernest W. Stewart, J. H. (Fife, E.) Weymouth, Viscount
Sinclair, Maj. Rt. Hn. Sir A. (C'thness) Strauss, Edward A. Whyte, Jardine Bell
Sinclair, Col. T. (Queen's Unv.,Belfast) Strickland, Captain W. F. Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Skelton, Archibald Noel Stuart, Lord C. Crichton- Williams, Herbert G. (Croydon, S.)
Smiles, Lieut.-Col. Sir Walter D. Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray F. Wills, Wilfrid D.
Smith, R. W. (Ab'rd'n & Kinc'dine, C.) Sugden, Sir Wilfrid Hart Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Smith-Carington, Neville w. Sutcliffe, Harold Womersley, Walter James
Somervell, Donald Bradley Tate, Mavis Constance Wood, Sir Murdoch McKanzie (Banff)
Somerville, Annesley A. (Windsor) Thomas, James P. L. (Hereford) Worthington, Dr. John V.
Somerville, D. G. (Willesden, East) Thompson, Luke Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton (S'v'oaks)
Soper, Richard Thomson, Sir Frederick Charles
Sotheron-Estcourt, Captain T. E. Thorp, Linton Theodore TELLERS FOR THE AYES.
Spears, Brigadier-General Edward L. Touche, Gordon Cosmo Sir George Penny and Commander Southby.
NOES.
Adams, D. M. (Poplar, South) Groves, Thomas E. McGovern. John
Attlee, Clement Richard Grundy, Thomas W. Maclean, Neil (Glasgow, Govan)
Banfield, John William Hall, F. (York, W.R., Normanton) Maxton, James
Batey, Joseph Hall, George H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Milner, Major James
Brown, C. W. E. (Notts., Mansfield) Hicks, Ernest George Nathan, Major H. L.
Cape, Thomas Hirst, George Henry Parkinson, John Allen
Cocks, Frederick Seymour Jenkins, Sir William Price, Gabriel
Cove, William G. Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Tinker, John Joseph
Cripps, Sir Stafford Kirkwood, David Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Daggar, George Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George Williams, Edward John (Ogmore)
Davies, David L. (Pontypridd) Lawsort, John James Williams, Dr. John H. (Llanelly)
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Leonard, William Williams, Thomas (York, Don Valley)
Edwards, Charles Logan, David Gilbert
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. Arthur Lunn, William TELLERS FOR THE NOES.
Grenfell, David Rees (Glamorgan) McEntee, Valentine L. Mr. D. Graham and Mr. John.

Preamble agreed to.

Bill reported, without Amendment; read the Third time, and passed.

The remaining Orders were read, and postponed.

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