HC Deb 21 May 1931 vol 252 cc2344-52

Amendment proposed: In page 6, line 24, leave out the word "other" and insert instead thereof the word "un-excluded."—[Mr. Clynes.]

Question put, "That the Amendment be made."

The House divided: Ayes, 233; Noes, 190.

Division No. 264.] AYES. [10.54 p.m.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Ammon, Charles George Barnes, Alfred John
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Angell, Sir Norman Barr, James
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. Christopher Arnott, John Benn, Rt. Hon. Wedgwood
Aitchison, Rt. Hon. Craigle M. Aske, Sir Robert Bennett, Sir E. N. (Cardiff, Central)
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (Hillsbro') Attlee, Clement Richard Bennett, William (Battersea, South)
Alpass, J. H. Baker, John (Wolverhampton, Bilston) Benson, G.
Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale) Jenkins, Sir William Picton-Turbervill, Edith
Birkett, W. Norman Jones, Llewellyn., F. Potts, John S.
Bondfield, Rt. Hon. Margaret Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Pybus, Percy John
Bowen, J. W. Kedward, R. M. (Kent, Ashford) Quibell, D. J. K.
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Kelly, W. T. Ramsay, T. B. Wilson
Broad, Francis Alfred Kennedy, Rt. Hon. Thomas Rathbone, Eleanor
Bromley, J. Kirkwood, D. Raynes, W. R.
Brooke, W. Lambert, Rt. Hon. George (S. Molton) Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring)
Brothers, M. Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George Ritson, J.
Brown, C. W. E. (Notts, Mansfield) Lathan, G. (Sheffield, Park) Romerll, H. G.
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Law, Albert (Bolton) Rosbotham, D. S. T.
Burgess, F. G. Law, A. (Rossendale) Rothschild, J. de
Buxton, C. R. (Yorks, W. R. Elland) Lawrence, Susan Rowson, Guy
Caine, Hall., Dement Leach, W. Salter, Dr. Alfred
Cape, Thomas Lee, Frank (Derby, N. E.) Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen)
Carter, W. (St. Pancras, S. W.) Lee, Jennie (Lanark, Northern) Samuel, H. Walter (Swansea, West)
Charleton, H. C. Lees, J. Sanders, W. S.
Chater, Daniel Leonard, W. Sandham, E.
Church, Major A. G. Lewis, T. (Southampton) Sawyer, G. F.
Clarke, J. S. Lindley, Fred W. Scott, James
Cluse, W. S. Lloyd, C. Ellis Scurr, John
Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. Longbottom, A. W. Sexton, Sir James
Cocks, Frederick Seymour Longden, F. Shakespeare, Geoffrey H.
Cove, William G. Lovat-Fraser, J. A. Shepherd, Arthur Lewis
Cripps, Sir Stafford Lunn, William Sherwood, G. H.
Dangar, George Macdonald, Gordon (Ince) Shiels, Dr. Drummond
Dallas, George MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Seaham) Shillaker, J. F.
Dalton, Hugh MacDonald, Malcolm (Bassetlaw) Shinwell, E.
Davies, E. C. (Montgomery) McElwee, A. Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Davies, D. L. (Pontypridd) McEntee, V. L. Simmons, C. J.
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) McKinlay, A. Sinclair, Sir A. (Caithness)
Day, Harry MacLaren, Andrew Stich, Charles H.
Denman, Hon. R. D. Maclean, Sir Donald (Cornwall, N.) Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe)
Dudgeon, Major C. R. MacNeill-Weir, L. Smith, Frank (Nuneaton)
Duncan, Charles McShane, John James Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Ede, James Chuter Malone, C. L'Estrange (N'thampton) Smith, Tom (Pontefract)
Edmunds, J. E. Mander, Geoffrey le M. Smith, W. R. (Norwich)
Edwards, E. (Morpeth) Manning, E. L. Snowden, Thomas (Accrington)
Elmley, Viscount Mansfield, W. Stamford, Thomas W.
Foot, Isaac March, S. Strachey, E. J. St. Loe
Gardner, B. W. (West Ham, Upton) Marcus, M. Strauss, G. R.
Gardner, J. P. (Hammersmith, N.) Markham, S. F. Sullivan, J.
George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd (Car'vn) Marley, J. Sutton, J. E.
George, Megan Lloyd (Anglesea) Marshall, Fred Taylor, R. A. (Lincoln)
Gill, T. H. Mathers, George Taylor, W. B. (Norfolk, S. W.)
Gossling, A. G. Matters, L. W. Thurtle, Ernest
Gould, F. Messer, Fred Tinker, John Joseph
Gray, Milner Middleton, G. Townend, A. E.
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. (Colne). Millar, J. D. Vaughan, David
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Mills, J. E. Viant, S. P.
Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middlesbro' W.) Milner, Major J. Walkden, A. G.
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Montague, Frederick Walker, J.
Groves, Thomas E. Morgan, Dr. H. B. Wallace, H. W.
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Morris, Rhys Hopkins Watkins, F. C.
Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel) Morrison, Rt. Hon. H. (Hackney, S.) Watson, W. M. (Dunfermilne)
Hall, Capt. W. G. (Portsmouth, C.) Morrison, Robert C. (Tottenham, N.) Wellock, Wilfred
Hamilton, Mary Agnes (Blackburn) Mort, D. L. Welsh, James (Paisley)
Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Zetland) Muggeridge, H. T. West, F. R.
Harbord, A. Murnin, Hugh Westwodd, Joseph
Hardie, George D. Nathan, Major H. L. Whiteley, Wilfrid (Birm., Ladywood)
Harris, Percy A. Naylor, T. E. Whiteley, William (Blaydon)
Haycock, A. W. Noel-Buxton, Baroness (Norfolk, N.) Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Hayday, Arthur Oldfield, J. R. Williams, E. J. (Ogmore)
Hayes, John Henry Oliver, George Harold (Ilkeston) Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Henderson, Arthur, Junr, (Cardiff, S.) Oliver, P. M. (Man., Blackley) Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Henderson, W. W. (Middx., Enfield) Owen, Major G. (Carnarvon) Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe)
Herriotts, J. Palin, John Henry Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Hoffman, P. C. Paling, Wilfrid Winterton, G. E.(Leicester, Loughb'nn)
Hopkin, Daniel Palmer, E. T. Wocd, Major McKenzie (Banff)
Horrabin, J. F. Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) Young, R. S. (Islington, North)
Hudson, James H. (Huddersfield) Perry, S. F.
Hunter, Dr. Joseph Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.
Isaacs, George Phillips, Dr. Marion Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr. T. Henderson.
NOES.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Atkinson, C. Bevan, S. J. (Holborn)
Albery, Irving James Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley (Bewdley) Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman
Alexander, Sir Wm. (Glasgow, Cent'l) Balfour, Captain H. H. (I. of Thanet) Bird, Ernest Roy
Allen, Lt.-Col. Sir William (Armagh) Balniel, Lord Boothby, R. J. G.
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Beamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H. Bourne, Captain Robert Croft
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Beaumont, M. W. Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart
Astor, Maj. Hon. John J.(Kent, Dover) Bellairs, Commander Carlyon Bowyer, Captain Sir George E. W.
Atholl, Duchess of Betterton, Sir Henry B. Boyce, Leslie
Bracken, B. Gibson, C. G. (Pudsey & Otley) O'Connor, T. J.
Brass, Captain Sir William Gilmour, Lt.-Cot. Rt. Hon. Sir John Oman, Sir Charles William C.
Briscoe, Richard George Glyn, Major R. G. C. O'Neill, Sir H.
Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) Gower, Sir Robert Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks, Newb'y) Grace, John Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)
Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T. Graham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.) Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Buchan, John Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. Preston, Sir Walter Rueben
Butler, R. A. Greene, W. P. Crawford Ramsbotham, H.
Butt, Sir Alfred Grenfell, Edward C. (City of London) Reid, David D. (County Down)
Broadbent, Colonel J. Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John Remer, John H.
Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward Gunston, Captain D. W. Rentoul, Sir Gervais S.
Campbell, E. T. Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H. Reynolds, Col. Sir James
Carver, Major W. H. Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford) Richardson. Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch't'sy)
Castle Stewart, Earl of Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Roberts, Sir Samuel (Ecclesall)
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Rennell
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Haslam, Henry C. Ross, Ronald D.
Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth. S.) Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. Ruggles-Brise, Colonel E.
Cazalet, Captain Victor A. Hennessy, Major Sir G. R. J. Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir J. A.(Birm., W.) Herbert, Sir Dennis (Hertford) Salmon, Major I.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Edgbaston) Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Christie, J. A. Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Sandeman, Sir N. Stewart
Clydesdale, Marquess of Hunter-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir Aylmer Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. D.
Cobb, Sir Cyril Hurd, Percy A. Savery, S. S.
Cockerill, Brig.-General Sir George Inskip, Sir Thomas Shepperson, Sir Ernest Whittome
Cohen, Major J. Brunel Jones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton) Simms, Major-General J.
Colman, N. C. D. Kindersley, Major G. M. Sinclair, Col. T. (Queen's U., Belfast)
Courtauld, Major J. S. Knox, Sir Alfred Skelton, A. N.
Courthope, Colonel Sir G. L. Lamb, Sir J. Q. Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Crichton-Stuart, Lord C. Lane Fox, Col. Rt. Hon. George R. Smithers, Waldron
Cranbourne, Viscount Latham, H. P. (Scarboro' & Whitby) Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. Law, Sir Alfred (Derby, High Peak) Somerville, D. G. (Willesden, East)
Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainsbro) Leighton, Major B. E. P. Southby, Commander A. R. J.
Croom-Johnson, R. P. Lewis, Oswald (Colchester) Spender-Clay, Colonel H.
Culverwell, C. T. (Bristol, West) Little, Graham-, Sir Ernest Stanley, Lora (Fylde)
Cunliffe-Lister, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Llewellin, Major J. J. Stanley, Hon. O (Westmorland)
Dalkeith, Earl of Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hon. Godfrey Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Dairymple-White, Lt.-Col. Sir Godfrey Locker-Lampson, Com. O.(Handsw'tn) Thomas, Major L. B. (King's Norton)
Davidson, Rt. Hon. J. (Hertford) Lockwood, Captain J. H. Thompson, Luke
Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil) Lymington, Viscount Thomson, Mitchell-, Rt. Hon. Sir W.
Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) Tinne, J. A.
Dawson, Sir Philip Macquisten, F. A. Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Duckworth, G. A. V. Maitland, A. (Kent, Faversham) Todd, Capt. A. J.
Eden, Captain Anthony Makins, Brigadier-General E. Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Edmondson, Major A. J. Margesson, Captain H. D. Turton, Robert Hugh
Elliot, Major Walter E. Marjoribanks, Edward Vaughan-Morgan, Sir Kenyon
Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s-M.) Mason, Colonel Glyn K. Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. Lambert
Everard, W. Lindsay Meller, R. J. Warrender, Sir Victor
Falle, Sir Bertram G. Merriman, Sir F. Boyd Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Ferguson, Sir John Milne, Wardlaw-, J. S. Wells, Sydney R.
Fielden, E. B. Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. Sir B. Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Fison, F. G. Clavering Moore, Sir Newton J. (Richmond) Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Forestier-Walker, Sir L. Morrison, W. S. (Glos., Cirencester) Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. Muirhead, A. J. Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton
Galbraith, J. F. W. Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge)
Ganzoni, Sir John Nicholson, O. (Westminster) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.
Gault, Lieut.-Col. A. Hamilton Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G.(Ptrsf'ld) Sir Frederick Thomson and Sir George Penny.

Further Amendments made: In page 6, line 31, leave out the words "unexcluded candidates," and insert instead thereof the words: that one of the unexcluded candidates next in order of the voters preference.

In page 6, line 32, leave out the words "choices for some one or other of the unexcluded candidates," and insert instead thereof the words: or subsequent choices for that unexcluded candidate and of counting ballot papers so transferred as votes given to the candidate to whom they are transferred.

In page 6, line 35, at the end, insert the words, "or until only two candidates remain unexcluded."—[Mr. Clynes.]

Amendment proposed: In page 6, line 3V, at the end, to insert the words: (5) The votes reckoned at any count in respect of any candidate shall be taken to be the votes counted to that candidate at the previous count with the addition of the votes transferred to him at the count in question."—[Mr. Clynes.]

Question put, "That the Amendment be made."

The House divided: Ayes, 231; Noes, 185.

Further Amendments made: In page 6,

line 40, after the word "excluded," to insert the words "who has";

In page 6, line 40, leave out the words "whose votes are";

In page 6, line 43, at the end, insert the words: (6) If on the final count at which only two candidates remain unexcluded there is an equality of votes, that candidate shall he declared elected who has the greater number of first preference votes, but if there is no difference in this respect between the two candidates the returning officer, if a registered elector for the constituency, may give a vote to one of the candidates, and that candidate shall be declared elected. (7) Nothing in these rules shall require the returning officer to reject as invalid or void for uncertainty any ballot paper which is so marked as to indicate the intention of the voter to vote for any candidate as his first choice or to reject any ballot paper by reason only that no effective second or subsequent choice or a subsequent choice in excess of the valid number of preferences is indicated thereon."—[Mr. Clynes.]

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