HC Deb 06 March 1930 vol 236 cc652-7
Mr. STANLEY BALDWIN

May I ask the Prime Minister what the business will be for next week, and how late he pro poses that the House should sit to-night?

The PRIME MINISTER

Monday, Supply (Second Allotted Day), Civil Estimates and Estimates for the Revenue Departments, 1930—Vote on Account—Report stage. It is understood that the question of Unemployment will be discussed.

Tuesday, Coal Mines Bill, Committee.

Wednesday, Army and Air Force Supplementary Estimates in Committee, with the Report stage of Supplementary Estimates taken on 6th March. If there is time, further stages of the Land Drainage (Scotland) Bill.

Thursday, Discussion of the Censure Motion on the Paper in the names of the right hon. Member for Bewdley (Mr. S. Baldwin) and the right hon. Member for Epping (Mr. Churchill); Report Stage of the Army and Air Force Supplementary Estimates.

On any day, should time permit, other Orders may be taken.

With regard to the business to-day, as I indicated last Monday, we must for administrative reasons dispose of our outstanding financial business without delay, and I should propose to take what is on the Paper during the sitting tonight.

Mr. BALDWIN

I do not know whether the right hon. Gentleman has examined the Votes himself, but there are under the Post Office Vote a number of questions of very great importance, and it is the same in regard to the Overseas Trade Vote, and I think it would be quite impossible to get a full discussion of these subjects in which I suggest is an unreasonable time.

The PRIME MINISTER

I think that a good deal depends upon what Ruling is given. I am not sure myself—and I am not expressing any opinion—what the Chairman of Committees may deem desirable and necessary to rule. Within the strict limit of the Supplementary Votes I do not think that there are very many questions which can be raised.

Commander Sir BOLTON EYRES MONSELL

I should like to raise a point of Order, which I would not have raised if the right hon. Gentleman had not intended to take the whole of these Supplementary Estimates. I should like to draw your attention, Mr. Speaker, to the fact that there is a discrepancy between these Votes as they appear in the Blue Paper and the White Paper. Class G, Vote 4, as it appears on the White Paper, was down on the Blue Paper as Class 6, Vote 14. I should like to ask whether the Blue Paper is not the authentic paper of Parliament. In that ease, this Vote cannot be taken to-day.

The PRIME MINISTER

Before you give your decision, Mr. Speaker, may I explain that it is purely a printer's error?

As soon as we discovered it, the attention of the other parties were drawn to it. Of course, if a strict interpretation of the technical Rule is to be taken, undoubtedly, the Blue Paper is the authoritative one. That would mean that the Vote would have to be put down again and added to the next day's financial business.

Mr. SPEAKER

Technically speaking, of course, notice has to be given of a Vote; otherwise, it cannot be taken. The proper Parliamentary Paper is the Blue Paper. I understand that it is not a printer's error, but that it was an error in the original Paper that was handed in at the Table. That was the mistake. If the House insists on abiding strictly by the technical Rule, the Vote cannot be taken to-day, but the House may think it advisable, under the circumstances, not to insist upon a strict reading of the Rule.

Mr. E. BROWN

On the White Paper, my hon. Friend the Member for Holland-with-Boston (Mr. Blindell) has a Motion down, and, as he has received the Blue Paper, it will be scarcely fair to him to take the Vote in his absence. He has had his Motion down for several weeks.

Mr. SPEAKER

If there is anything of that kind involved, it will be best to abide by the technical Rule and not take the Vote to-day.

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings in Committee of Supply and on Report of Supply [3rd March] be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 271; Noes, 159.

Division No. 214.] AYES. [3.53 p.m.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Bondfield, Rt. Hon. Margaret Cocks, Frederick Seymour.
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Bowen, J. W. Cove, William G.
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (Hillsbro') Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Daggar, George
Alpass, J. H. Brockway, A. Fenner Dallas, George
Ammon, Charles George Bromfield, William Dalton, Hugh
Angell, Norman Brothers, M. Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton)
Arnott, John Brown, Ernest (Leith) Day, Harry
Attlee, Clement Richard Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Denman, Hon. R. D.
Ayles, Walter Brown, W. J. (Wolverhampton, West) Dukes, C.
Baker, John (Wolverhampton, Bilston) Burgess, F. G. Duncan, Charles
Barnes, Alfred John Buxton, C. R. (Yorks. W. R. Elland) Ede, James Chuter
Batey, Joseph Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel (Norfolk, N.) Edmunds, J. E.
Beckett, John (Camberwell, Peckham) Cameron, A. G. Edwards, E. (Morpeth)
Bellamy, Albert Cape, Thomas Egan, W. H.
Benn, Rt. Hon. Wedgwood Carter, W. (St. Pancras, S. W.) Elmley, Viscount
Bennett, Captain E. N. (Cardiff, Central) Charleton, H. C. England, Colonel A.
Bennett, William (Battersea, South) Chater, Daniel Foot, Isaac
Benson, G. Clarke, J. S. Freeman, Peter
Bentham, Dr. Ethel Cluse, W. S. Gardner, B. W. (West Ham, Upton)
Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale) Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. Gardner, J. P. (Hammersmith, N.)
George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd (Car'vn) Lowth, Thomas Sandham, E.
George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Lunn, William Sawyer, G. F.
Gibbins, Joseph Macdonald, Gordon (Ince) Scott, James
Gibson, H. M. (Lance, Mossley) MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Seaham) Scrymgeour, E.
Gillett, George M. MacDonald, Malcolm (Bassetlaw) Scurr, John
Glassey, A. E. McElwee, A. Sexton, James
Gossling, A. G. McEntee, V. L. Shakespeare, Geoffrey H.
Gould, F. McKinlay, A. Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston)
Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.) MacLaren, Andrew Shepherd, Arthur Lewis
Granville, E. Maclean, Sir Donald (Cornwall, N.) Sherwood, G. H.
Gray, Milner MacNeill-Weir, L. Shield, George William
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. (Colne). McShane, John James Shields, Dr. Drummond
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Malone, C. L'Estrange (N'thampton) Shillaker, J. F.
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Mansfield, W. Shinwell, E.
Groves, Thomas E. March, S. Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Grundy, Thomas W. Marcus, M. Simmons, C. J.
Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) Markham, S. F. Sinkinson, George
Hall, G. H Merthyr Tydvil) Marley, J. Sitch, Charles H.
Hall, Capt. W. P. (Portsmouth, C.) Marshall, Fred Smith, Alfred (Sunderland)
Hamilton, Mary Agnes (Blackburn) Mathers, George Smith, Ben (Bermondsey), Rotherhithe)
Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Zetland) Matters, L. W. Smith, Frank (Nuneaten)
Hardie, George D. Maxton, James Smith, H. B. Lees (Keighley)
Harris, Percy A. Messer, Fred Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Haycock, A. W. Middleton, G. Smith, Tom (Pontetract)
Hayday, Arthur Millar, J. D. Smith, W. R. (Norwich)
Hayes, John Henry Milner, J. Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip
Henderson, Right Hon. A. (Burnley) Montague, Frederick Sorensen, R.
Henderson, Thomas (Glasgow) Morgan, Dr. H. B. Stamford, Thomas W.
Henderson, W. W. (Middx., Enfield) Morley, Ralph Stephen, Campbell
Herriotts, J. Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh) Stewart, J. (St. Rollox)
Hirst, G. H. (York W. R. Wentworth) Morrison, Herbert (Hackney, South) Strachey, E. J. St. Loe
Hoffman, P. C. Morrison, Robert C. (Tottenham, N.) Strauss, G. R.
Hollins, A. Mort, D. L. Sullivan, J.
Hopkin, Daniel Moses, J. J. H. Sutton, J. E.
Hore-Belisha, Leslie Mosley, Lady C. (Stoke-on-Trent) Taylor, R. A. (Lincoln)
Horrabin, J. F. Mosley, Sir Oswald (Smethwick) Taylor, W. B. (Norfo k, S. W.)
Hudson, James H. (Huddersfield) Muggeridge, H. T. Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby)
Hunter, Dr. Joseph Nathan, Major H. L. Thorne, W. (West Ham. Plaistow)
Hutchison, Maj.-Gen. Sir R. Naylor, T. E. Thurtle, Ernest
Isaacs, George Noel Baker, P. J. Tillett, Ben
Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Oldfield, J. R. Tinker, John Joseph
John, William (Rhondda, West) Oliver, George Harold (Ilkeston) Toole, Joseph
Johnston, Thomas Oliver, P. M. (Man., Blackley) Tout, W. J.
Jones, F. Llewellyn- (Flint) Owen, Major G. (Carnarvon) Townend, A. E.
Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) Palin, John Henry Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles
Jones, Rt. Hon. Leif (Camborne) Paling, Wilfrid Turner, B.
Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) Vaughan, D. J.
Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Perry, S. F. Viant, S. P.
Jowett, Rt. Hon. F. W. Peters, Dr. Sidney John Walker, J.
Kelly, W. T. Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. Wallace, H. W.
Kennedy, Thomas Phillips, Dr. Marion Wallhead, Richard C.
Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M. Pole, Major D. G. Watkins, F. C.
Kinley, J. Potts, John S. Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Knight, Holford Price, M. P. Wellock, Wilfred
Lambert, Rt. Hon. George (S. Molton) Pybus, Percy John Welsh, James (Paisley)
Lang, Gordon Quibell, D. J. K. Welsh, James C. (Coatbridge)
Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George Ramsay, T. B. Wilson West, F. R.
Law, A. (Rosendale) Rathbone, Eleanor White, H. G.
Lawrence, Susan Raynes, W. R. Whiteley, Wilfrid (Blrm, Ladywood)
Lawrie, Hugh Hartley (Stalybridge) Richards, R. Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Lawson, John James Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Lawther, W. (Barnard Castle) Riley, Ben (Dewsbury) Wilson C. H. (Sheffield. Attercliffe)
Leach, W. Riley, F. F. (Stockton-on-Tees) Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Lee, Frank (Derby. N. E.) Ritson, J. Winterton, G. E.(Lelcester, Loughb'gh)
Lee, Jennie (Lanark, Northern) Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Bromwich) Wise, E. F.
Lees, J. Romerll, H. G. Wood, Major McKenzie (Banff)
Lewis, T. (Southampton) Rosbotham, D. S. T. Wright, W. (Rutherglen)
Lloyd, C. Ellis Rowson, Guy
Logan, David Gilbert Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter TELLERS FOR THE AYES.
Longbottom, A. W. Salter, Dr. Alfred Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr.
Longden, F. Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen) Whiteley.
Lovat-Fraser, J. A. Sanders, W. S.
NOES.
Ainsworth, Lieut.-Col. Charles Balfour, George (Hampstead) Bowyer, Captain Sir George E. W.
Albery, Irving James Beamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H. Boyce, H. L.
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Beaumont, M. W. Bracken, B.
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Bellairs, Commander Carlyon Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'I'd., Hexham)
Astor, Viscountess Berry, Sir George Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks, Newb'y)
Atholl, Duchess of Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman Buckingham, Sir H.
Atkinson, C. Bird, Ernest Roy Bullock, Captain Malcolm
Baillie-Hamilton, Hon. Charles W. Boothby, R. J. G. Burton, Colonel H. W.
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley (Bewdley) Bourne, Captain Robert Croft. Butler, R. A.
Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford) Roberts, Sir Samuel (Ecclesall)
Carver, Major W. H. Hammersley, S. S. Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Rennell
Castle Stewart, Earl of Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Ross, Major Ronald D.
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Hartington, Marquess of Ruggles-Brise, Lieut.-Colonel E. A.
Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth, S.) Haslam, Henry C. Russell, Auexander West (Tynemouth)
Cazalet, Captain Victor A. Henderson, Capt. R. R.(Oxf'd, Henley) Salmon, Major I.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir J. A. (Birm., W.) Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Chapman, Sir S. Howard-Bury, Colonel C. K. Sandeman, Sir N. Stewart
Christie, J. A. Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. D.
Colman, N. C. D. Hurd, Percy A. Savery, S. S.
Colville, Major D. J. Iveagh, Countess of Shepperson, Sir Ernest Whittome
Courtauld, Major J. S. Jones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton) Simms, Major-General J.
Courthope, Colonel Sir G. L. King, Commodore Rt. Hon. Henry D. Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)
Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. Knox, Sir Alfred Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainsbro) Lamb, Sir J. Q. Smithers, Waldron
Croom-Johnson, R. P. Law, Sir Alfred (Derby, High Peak) Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Cunlilffe-Lister, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Leighton, Major B. E. P. Somerville, D. G. (Willesden, East)
Davies, Dr. Vernon Lewis, Oswald (Colchester) Southby, Commander A. R. J.
Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset, Yeovil) Llewellin, Major J. J. Spender-Clay, Colonel H.
Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hon. Godfrey Stanley, Maj. Hon. O. (W'morland)
Dawson, Sir Philip Locker-Lampson, Com. O.(Handsw'th) Steel-Maitland, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur
Duckworth, G. A. V. Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) Stewart, W. J. (Belfast South)
Dugdale, Capt. T. L. MacRobert, Rt. Hon. Alexander M. Sueter, Rear-Admiral M. F.
Eden, Captain Anthony Makins, Brigadier-General E. Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Elliot, Major Walter E. Margesson, Captain H. D. Train, J.
Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s-M.) Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. Sir B. Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Everard, W. Lindsay Moore, Sir Newton J. (Richmond) Turton, Robert Hugh
Falle, Sir Bertram G. Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) Vaughan-Morgan, Sir Kenyon
Ferguson, Sir John Morrison, W. S. (Glos., Cirencester) Wallace, Capt. D. E. (Hornsey)
Fermoy, Lord Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. Lambert
Fison, F. G. Clavering Muirhead, A. J. Wardlaw-Milne, J. S.
Ford, Sir P. J. Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge) Warrender, Sir Victor
Forestier-Walker, Sir L. Nicholson, O. (Westminster) Wells, Sydney R.
Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G.(Ptrsf'ld) Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Ganzonl, Sir John Nield, Rt. Hon. Sir Herbert Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Gibson, C. G. (Pudsey & Otley) Oman, Sir Charles William C. Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Gower, Sir Robert O'Neill, Sir H. Wolmer, Rt. Hon. Viscount
Grace, John Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William Womersley, W. J.
Graham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.) Peake, Captain Osbert Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. Pilditch, Sir Philip Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Greaves-Lord, Sir Walter Pownall, Sir Assheton Wright, Brig.-Gen. W. D. (Tavist'k)
Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John Ramsbotham, H. Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton
Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E. Rawson, Sir Cooper
Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H. Reynolds, Col. Sir James TELLERS FOR THE NOES.
Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y) Major Sir George Hennessy and
Sir Frederick Thomson.

Question put, and agreed to.