HC Deb 27 February 1930 vol 235 cc2423-9
Mr. STANLEY BALDWIN

Will the Prime Minister tell us what the Business will be for next week?

An HON. MEMBER

The General Election!

The PRIME MINISTER

Monday, the following Supplementary Estimates will be considered in Committee: Ministry of Transport; Railway Freight Rebates; Forestry Commission; Inland Revenue; Outstanding Votes in Class III and Class VIII and Excess Votes. The Report stage of Votes taken on the 20th and 24th of February.

Tuesday, Civil Estimates and Estimates for the Revenue Departments—Vote on Account in Committee. It is understood that the question of the Tariff Truce Agreement will be raised on the Board of Trade Vote.

Wednesday, Coal Mines Bill, Committee stage. I hope it will be the completion of it.

Thursday, Committee stage of the outstanding Supplementary Estimates for the Civil and Revenue Departments, beginning with the Fishery Board, Scotland, and the Post Office. Report stage of Votes taken on 3rd March.

On any day, should time permit, other Orders may be taken.

I would like to add, for the information of the House, that the Vote on Account and Class VI of the Civil Estimates will be available for Members on Saturday morning.

Mr. BALDWIN

Does the Prime Minister propose to ask the House to sit late to-night, and how far does he intend to go with the Bill?

The PRIME MINISTER

I have been looking at the Amendments that are on the Paper, and I think that once the first important point is settled the large number that follow will not take very much time. What I would like to do would be to get the business so far advanced before we rise to-night that the completion of the Committee stage may be possible at the next sitting when that is the business before us.

Sir PHILIP CUNLIFFE-LISTER

The Prime Minister has said that, after the first important Amendment is disposed of to-night, there do not seem to be any other Amendments of such grave importance as to occupy the, House for any considerable time. I would point out to him that, important and critical as the first Amendment is, it is followed by an Amendment hardly less important, namely, that dealing with the whole question of price, to which I am certain that the Committee would wish to devote very considerable and careful attention. Even if the Prime Minister secures the verdict of this Committee in favour both of control of output and control of price, there must necessarily follow, with even greater importance attached to them, all those Amendments which are designed to offer some protection to consumers, industrial and domestic.

The PRIME MINISTER

I am sure that the right hon. Gentleman would be the last Member of the House to say that we have been driving the Committee on the Coal Bill too hard. I can assure him that it is not the intention of my right hon. Friend the President of the Board of Trade or of myself to break the rule, but still we really must get a settlement of the Committee stage of the Bill without further delay.

Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTER

The right hon. Gentleman has said that the Government have not driven the Committee too hard. I quite agree, and the importance of the Bill made that very necessary; but I am sure that the President of the Board of Trade would endorse what indeed he has himself often said, that he has been met, if with keen opposition, at any rate with very reasonable accommodation in the matter of time and debate. Only last night when we were dealing with important Clauses, by arrangement on all sides on the Committee, we were able to rise at a very convenient hour, and I am sure that I am voicing the opinion of all sections in saying that, if further progress is to be made with this Bill, it will be made with most convenience if proper facilities are accorded to the House.

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings in Committee on the Coal Mines Bill have precedence this day of the Business of Supply, and be exempted at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 306; Noes, 173.

Division No. 194.] AYES. [3.57 p.m.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Egan, W. H. Knight, Holford
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Elmiey, Viscount Lambert, Rt. Hon. George (S. Moiton).
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. Christopher England, Colonel A. Lang, Gordon
Aitchison, Rt. Hon. Craigle M. Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.) Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (Hillsbro') Foot, Isaac Lathan, G.
Alpass, J. H. Forgan, Dr. Robert Law, Albert (Bolton)
Ammon, Charles George Freeman, Peter Law, A, (Rosendale)
Angell, Norman Gardner, B. W. (West Ham, Upton) Lawrence, Susan
Arnott, John George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd (Car'vn) Lawrie, Hugh Hartley (Stalybridge)
Aske, Sir Robert George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Lawson, John James
Ayles, Walter Gibbins, Joseph Lawther, W. (Barnard Castle)
Baker, John (Wolverhampton, Bilston) Gibson, H. M. (Lancs, Mossley) Leach, W.
Baldwin, Oliver (Dudley) Gill, T. H. Lee, Frank (Derby, N. E.)
Barnes, Alfred John Glliett, George M. Lee, Jennie (Lanark, Northern)
Batey, Joseph Glassey, A. E. Lees, J.
Beckett, John (Camberwell, Peckham) Gossling, A. G. Lewis, T. (Southampton)
Cellamy, Albert Gould, F. Lloyd, C. Ellis
Benn, Rt. Hon. Wedgwood Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) Logan, David Gilbert
Bennett, Captain E. N. (Cardiff, Central) Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.) Longbottom, A. W.
Bennett, William (Batteries, South) Granville, E. Longden, F.
Benson, G. Gray, Milner Lovat-Fraser, J. A.
Bentham, Dr. Ethel Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. (Coine) Lowth, Thomas
Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale) Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Lunn, William
Blindell, James Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Macdonald, Gordon (Ince)
Bondfield, Rt. Hon. Margaret Groves, Thomas E. MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Seaham)
Bowen, J. W. Grundy, Thomas W. MacDonald, Malcolm (Bassetlaw)
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) McElwee, A.
Broad, Francis Alfred Hall, G. H Merthyr Tydvil) McEntee, V. L.
Brockway, A. Fenner Hall, Capt. W. P. (Portsmouth, C.) McKinlay, A.
Bromfield, William Hamilton, Mary Agnes (Blackburn) MacLaren, Andrew
Bromley, J. Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Zetland) Maclean, Sir Donald (Cornwall, N.)
Brooke, W. Harbison, T. J. MacNeill-Welr, L.
Brothers, M. Harbord, A. McShane, John James
Brown, C. W. E. (Notts, Mansfield) Hardie, George D. Malone, C. L'Estrange (N'thampton)
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Harris, Percy A. Mander, Geoffrey le M.
Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon Mansfield, W.
Buchanan, G. Haycock, A. W. March, S.
Burgess, F. G Hayday, Arthur Marcus, M.
Buxton, C. R. (Yorks. W. R. Eiland) Henderson, Right Hon. A. (Burnley) Markham, S. F.
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel (Norfolk, N.) Henderson, Arthur, Junr. (Cardiff, S.) Marley, J.
Caine, Derwent Hall. Henderson, Thomas (Glasgow) Marshall, Fred
Cameron, A. G. Henderson, W. W. (Middx., Enfield) Mathers, George
Cape, Thomas Herriotts, J. Mattes, L. W.
Carter, W. (St. Pancras, S. W.) Hirst, G. H. (York W. R. Wentworth) Maxton, James
Charleton, H. C. Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Melville, Sir James
Chater, Daniel Hoffman, P. C. Messer, Fred
Church, Major A. G. Hollins, A. Millar, J. D.
Clarke, J. S. Hopkin, Daniel Mills, J. E.
Cluse, W. S. Hore-Bellsha, Leslie Milner, J.
Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. Horrabin, J. F. Montague, Frederick
Cocks, Frederick Seymour Hudson, James H. (Huddersfield) Morgan, Dr. H. B.
Compton, Joseph Hunter, Dr. Joseph Morley, Ralph
Cove, William G. Hutchison, Maj.-Gen. Sir R. Morris, Rhys Hopkins
Cowan, D. M. Isaacs, George Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh)
Daggar, George Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Morrison, Herbert (Hackney, South)
Dallas, George John, William (Rhondda, West) Morrison, Robert C. (Tottenham, N.)
Dalton, Hugh Johnston, Thomas Mort, D. L.
Davies, E. C. (Montgomery) Jones, F. Llewellyn. (Flint) Moses, J. J. H.
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Mosley, Lady C. (Stoke-on-Trent)
Day, Harry Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) Mosley, Sir Oswald (Smethwick)
Denman, Hon. R. D. Jones, Rt. Hon. Leif (Camborne) Muff, G.
Devlin, Joseph Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Nathan, Major H. L.
Dukes, C. Jowett, Rt. Hon. F. W. Noel Baker, P. J.
Duncan, Charles Jowitt, Rt. Hon. Sir W. A. Oldfield, J. R.
Ede, James Chuter Kedward, R. M. (Kent, Ashford) Oliver, P. M. (Man., Blackley).
Edge, Sir William Kelly, W. T. Owen, Major G. (Carnarvon)
Edmunds, J. E. Kennedy, Thomas Owen, H. F. (Hereford)
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M. Palin, John Henry
Edwards, E. (Morpeth) Kinley, J. Paling, Wilfrid
Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) Shield, George William Tinker, John Joseph
Perry, S. F. Shields, Dr. Drummond Tout, W. J.
Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. Shillaker, J. F. Townend, A. E.
Phillips, Dr. Marion Shinwell, E. Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles
Picton-Tubervill, Edith Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) Turner, B.
Pole, Major D. G. Simmons, C. J. Vaughan, D. J.
Potts, John S. Simon, E. D. (Manch'ter, Withington) Viant, S. P.
Price, M. P. Sinclair, Sir A. (Caithness) Walkden, A. G.
Pybus, Percy John Sinkinson, George Walker, J.
Quibell, D. J. K. Sitch, Charles H. Wallace, H. W.
Ramsay, T. B. Wilson Smith, Alfred (Sunderland) Wallhead, Richard C.
Raynes, W. R. Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe) Watkins, F. C.
Richards, R. Smith, Frank (Nuneaton) Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Smith, H. B. Lees (Keighley) Weliock, Wilfred
Riley, Ben (Dewsbury) Smith, Rennie (Penistone) Welsh, James (Paisley)
Riley, F. F. (Stockton-on-Tees) Smith, Tom (Pontefract) Welsh, James C. (Coatbridge)
Ritson, J. Smith, W. R. (Norwich) West, F. R.
Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Bromwich) Snell, Harry Westwood, Joseph
Romeril, H. G. Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip Wheatley, Rt. Hon. J.
Rosbotham, D. S. T. Snowden, Thomas (Accrington) Whiteley, Wilfrid (Birm., Ladywood)
Rowson, Guy Sorensen, R. Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Russell, Richard John (Eddisbury) Stamford, Thomas W. Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Salter, Dr. Alfred Stephen, Campbell Williams, T. (York Don Valley)
Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen) Stewart, J. (St. Rollox) Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercllffe)
Samuel, H. W. (Swansea, West) Strachey, E. J. St. Loe Wilson, J. (Oldham)
Sanders, W. S. Strauss, G. R. Wilson R. J. (Jarrow)
Sawyer, G. F. Sullivan, J. Winterton, G. E. (Leicester, Loughb'gh)
Scott, James Sutton, J. E. Wise, E. F.
Scurr, John Taylor, R. A. (Lincoln) Wood, Major McKenzie (Banff)
Sexton, James Taylor, W. B. (Norfolk, S. W.) Wright, W. (Rutherglen)
Shakespeare, Geoffrey H. Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby) Young, R. S. (Islington, North)
Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston) Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow)
Shepherd, Arthur Lewis Thurtle, Ernest TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Sherwood, G. H. Tillett, Ben Mr. Haves and Mr. Whiteley.
NOES.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Culverwell, C. T. (Bristol, West) MacRobert, Rt. Hon. Alexander M
Albery, Irving James Cunilffe-Lister, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Maitland, A. (Kent, Faversham)
Allen, Sir J. Sandeman (Liverp'l., W.) Dalkeith, Earl of Makins, Brigadier-General E.
Allen, Lt.-Col. Sir William (Armagh) Dairymple-White, Lt.-Col. Sir Godfrey Margesson, Captain H. D
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Davies, Dr. Vernon Marjoribanks, E. C.
Astor, Maj. Hn. John J. (Kent, Dover) Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil) Merriman, Sir F. Boyd
Astor, Viscountess Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham)
Atholl, Duchess of Dugdale, Capt. T. L. Monsen, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. Sir B.
Atkinson, C. Eden, Captain Anthony Moore, Sir Newton J. (Richmond)
Baillie-Hamilton, Hon. Charles W. Edmondson, Major A. J. Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr)
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley (Bewdley) Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s. M.) Morrison, W. S. (Glos., Cirencester)
Balniel, Lord Everard, W. Lindsay Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive
Beamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H. Falle, Sir Bertram G. Muirhead, A. J.
Beaumont, M. W. Ferguson, Sir John Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge)
Bellairs, Commander Carlyon Fermoy, Lord Nicholson, O. (Westminster)
Berry, Sir George Fielden, E. B. Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G. (Ptrsf'ld)
Betterton, Sir Henry B. Forestler-Walker, Sir L. Nield, Rt. Hon. Sir Herbert
Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman Gault, Lieut.-Col. Andrew Hamilton Oman, Sir Charles William C.
Boothby, R. J. G. Gibson, C. G. (Pudsey & Otley) O'Neill, Sir H.
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Glyn, Major R. G. C. Peake, Captain Osbert
Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart Gower, Sir Robert Penny, Sir George
Bowyer, Captain Sir George E. W. Graham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.) Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)
Bracken, B. Grettan-Doyle, Sir N. Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Braithwaite, Major A. N. Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John Power, Sir John Cecil
Briscoe, Richard George Gritten, W. G. Howard Pownall, Sir Assheton
Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) Gunston, Captain D. W. Preston, Sir Walter Rueben
Brown, Brig. Gen. H. C. (Berks, Newb'y) Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H. Purbrick, R.
Buckingham, Sir H. Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford) Ramsbotham, H.
Butler, R. A. Hanbury, C. Reid, David D. (County Down)
Castle Stewart, Earl of Hartington, Marquess of Remer, John R.
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Reynolds, Col. Sir James
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Haslam, Henry C. Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y)
Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth, S.) Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. Roberts, Sir Samuel (Ecclesall)
Cazalet, Captain Victor A. Hills, Major Rt. Hon. John Waller Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Rennell
Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton Howard-Bury, Colonel C. K. Ross, Major Ronald D.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir J. A. (Birm., W.) Hurd, Percy A. Ruggles-Brise, Lieut.-Colonel E. A.
Christie, J. A. Hurst, Sir Gerald B. Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer Iveagh, Countess of Salmon, Major I.
Cockerill, Brig.-General Sir George James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Colman, N. C. D. King, Commodore Rt. Hon. Henry D. Sandeman, Sir N. Stewart
Colville, Major D. J. Knox, Sir Alfred Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. D.
Courtauld, Major J. S. Lamb, Sir J. Q. Savery, S. S.
Courthope, Colonel Sir G. L. Law, Sir Alfred (Derby, High Peak) Simms, Major. General J.
Crichton-Stuart, Lord C. Leighton, Major B. E. P. Sinclair, Col. T. (Queen's U., Belfst)
Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hon. Godfrey Skelton, A. N.
Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainsbro) McConnell, Sir Joseph Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)
Croom-Johnson, R. P. Macquisten, F. A. Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine. C.)
Smith-Carington, Neville W. Tinne, J. A. Weils, Sydney R.
Smithers, Waldron Titchfield, Major the Marquess of Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
Somerset, Thomas Todd, Capt. A. J. Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Somerville, A. A. (Windsor) Train, J. Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Somerville, D. G. (Willesden, East) Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement Weimer, Rt. Hon. Viscount
Southby, Commander A. R. J. Turton, Robert Hugh Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Spender-Clay, Colonel H. Vaughan-Morgan, Sir Kenyon Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Stanley, Maj. Hon. O. (W'morland) Wallace, Capt. D. E. (Hornsey) Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton
Steel-Maitland, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. Lambert
Stewart, W. J. (Belfast, South) Wardlaw-Milne, J. S. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn) Waterhouse, Captain Charles Major Sir George Hennessy and
Sueter, Rear-Admiral M. F. Wayland, Sir William A. Sir Frederick Thomson.