§ Mr. LLOYD GEORGEI wish to ask a question of my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister with regard to the Orders of the Day.
§ Mr. SHINWELLOn a point. of Order. I wish to ask whether it is not a rule of this House Iliac, a question on the Orders of the Day cannot be put without notice, unless it be on a question of Order?
§ Mr. SPEAKERThis question is with regard to the arrangement of business, and is one which may be properly put now.
§ Mr. SHINWELLOn a further point of Order, with regard to that question, Mr. Speaker. Is it not traditional, with regard to questions arising out of the Orders of the Day at. this time, that the right of submitting such questions is the prerogative of the Leader of the Opposition?
§ Mr. SPEAKERThis question, as I understand, does not in the least anticipate certain other questions which the Leader of the Opposition is going to ask.
§ Mr. KIRKWOODWe do not want the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Carnarvon Boroughs (Mr. Lloyd George) to jump our claim. We have had some of him.
§ Mr. SPEAKERI think the House will recognise that I should first call on the Leader of the Opposition with regard to ordinary questions of this kind, but that does not disable any other hon. Member from putting such questions, and I think the hon. Member for Linlithgow (Mr. Shinwell) has himself asked questions regarding the business of the day.
§ Mr. LLOYD GEORGEI only wish to ask a question with regard to the discussion on agriculture, which was to take place to-day. I ask my right hon. Friend whether, having regard to the changed conditions and to the fact. that he has a very important Motion down on the Paper which may take some time, 1219 and also having regard to the extreme importance of having a full Debate upon the agricultural proposals, the Government propose, in the circumstances, to proceed with the Debate to-day, or whether they cannot see their way to give an early day to the discussion on agriculture?
Mr. PRETYMANBefore the right hon. Gentleman replies, may I ask him whether he is aware of the extreme urgency of an immediate statement of the Government's intention, and whether that is not even more important than that the Debate should be prolonged to a late hour in the morning?
§ Mr. BALDWINMy right hon. Friend would be only too pleased to comply with the request of my right hon. Friend the Member for Carnarvon Boroughs (Mr. Lloyd George) if it were possible, but the difficulty is this. This Debate on the Agriculture question has been awaited with great interest and anticipation for some time past. If it were postponed it is impossible now to say how soon we could give a day for it. There is no possibility of a day in the near future, and having regard to the critical position of agriculture—[HON. MEMBERS: "And of the Government! "]—in certain parts of the country, it is most desirable that, at all events, the Minister of Agriculture should he able to make his statement on behalf of the Government to-night. I hope, indeed, it may be possible to give considerable time to the discussion, and we must all regret that, owing to the circumstances which exist, the time must be curtailed.
§ Mr. LLOYD GEORGEDo I understand from the right hon. Gentleman's statement that the Government do not contemplate bringing the discussion to an end, and that they merely mean that an opportunity will be afforded to the Minister of Agriculture to make a statement to-day and that the Government will consider the question of affording further time for discussion?
§ Mr. BALDWINI think that is a perfectly fair request, and we shall be quite ready to accede to it.
§ Mr. SPEAKERThe hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition has given 1220 me notice of certain points of Order, and I understand it would be most convenient to take those when the first Order of the Day is called.
Mr. J. RAMSAY MacDONALDI wish to put two questions regarding the business of to-day and to-morrow. First, I think it is usual after an incident like that of last night that the Government should make a statement before proceeding with further business. How is that proposed to be done to-day? Secondly, what is the business proposed for to-morrow?
§ Mr. BALDWINIn answer to the first part of the question, I propose to say a few words, and a few words only, on the Motion which stands in the name of the Prime Minister. In answer to the second part of the question, the business will be a continuation of the business of yesterday, namely, to move the Speaker out of the Chair on the Civil Service Estimates and proceed with the, Votes which were put down for yesterday, and, after 11 o'clock, to take the Army (Annual) Bill, Committee stage.
Mr. MacDONALDWith reference to the announcement that the Government will make a statement upon this Motion to set up a Committee of Supply, is it proposed that the Debate upon that question shall be so wide that the whole question of what took place yesterday and its consequences can be raised?
§ Mr. BALDWINI think we must leave that point in the discretion of the Chair.
Mr. MacDONALDThen I put the question to you, Mr. Speaker, if it is your intention to rule in such a way that on the discussion of this Motion as great liberty will be given for Debate as would be given if the Government were to move "That the House do now adjourn "
§ Mr. SPEAKEROn the Motion "That the House do now adjourn," we may discuss things all round the world.
Mr. MacDONALDMay I, with your leave, Sir, correct my question? Will the Debate be as wide as a Debate upon the Adjournment Motion, as far as the events of yesterday are concerned—in that respect only?
§ Mr. SPEAKERThe Motion which stands in the name of the Prime Minister is to restore the dropped Order of Supply. The Order was dropped by reason of the incident of yesterday. Therefore, discussion can take place on any matter relevant to the incident which calls for this Motion. That, I think, is quite clear,
§ Motion made, and Question put,
§
That the Proceedings on any Motion for the Adjournment of the House moved by the Government be exempted at this day's Sitting from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[The Prime Minister.]
§ The House divided: Ayes, 278: Noes, 191.
1225| Division No. 78.] | AYES. | [4.3 p.m. |
| Alexander, E. E. (Leyton, East) | Curzon, Captain Viscount | Hurst, Lt.-Col. Gerald Berkeley |
| Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. | Dalziel, Sir D. (Lambeth, Brixton) | Hutchison, G. A. C. (Midlothian, N.) |
| Apsley, Lord | Davidson, J. C. C.(Hemel Hempstead) | Hutchison, W. (Kelvingrove) |
| Archer-Shee, Lieut-Colonel Martin | Davidson, Major-General Sir J. H. | Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. |
| Ashley, Lt.-Col. Wilfrid W. | Davies, Alfred Thomas (Lincoln) | Jackson, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. F. S. |
| Astbury, Lieut.-Com. Frederick W. | Davies, Thomas (Cirencester) | James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert |
| Astor, J. J. (Kent, Dover) | Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) | Jephcott, A. R. |
| Baird, Rt. Han. Sir John Lawrence | Dawson, Sir Philip | Jodrell, Sir Neville Paul |
| Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley | Dixon, C. H. (Rutland) | Joynson-Hicks, Sir William |
| Balfour. George (Hampstead) | Doyle, N. Grattan | Kelley, Major Fred (Rotherham) |
| Banbury, Rt. Hon. Sir Frederick G. | Du Pre, Colonel William Baring | Kennedy, Captain M. S Nigel |
| Banner, Sir John S. Harmood- | Edmondson, Major A. J. | King, Captain Henry Douglas |
| Barlow, Rt. Hon. Sir Montague | Ednam, Viscount | Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement |
| Barnett, Major Richard W. | Elliot, Capt. Walter E. (Lanark) | Lane-Fox, Lieut.-Colonel G. R. |
| Barnston, Major Harry | Ellis. R. G. | Law, Rt. Hon. A. B. (Glasgow, C.) |
| Becker, Harry | Erskine, James Malcolm Montelth | Leigh, Sir John (Clapham) |
| Bell, Lieut.Col. W. C. H. (Devizes) | Erskine, Lord (Weston-super-Mare) | Lloyd-Greame, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip |
| Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W. | Erskine-Bolsi, Captain C. | Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green) |
| Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) | Eyres-Monsell, Com. Bolton M. | Lorden, John William |
| Bennett, Sir T. J. (Sevenoaks) | Falcon, Captain Michael | Lorimer, H. D. |
| Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish- | Falle, Major Sir Bertram Godfray | Lort-Williams. J. |
| Berry, Sir George | Fawkes. Major F. H. | Loyd, Arthur Thomas (Abingdon) |
| Birchall, Major J. Dearman | Fermor-Hesketh, Major T. | Lumley, L. R. |
| Blades, Sir George Rowland | Ford, Patrick Johnston | Macnaghten, Hon. Sir Malcolm |
| Blundell, F. N. | Foreman, Sir Henry | McNeill, Ronald (Kent, Canterbury) |
| Boyd-Carpenter, Major A. | Foxcroft, Captain Charles Talbot | Maltland, Sir Arthur D. Steel- |
| Brass, Captain W. | Frece, Sir Walter de | Malone, Major P. B. (Tottenham, S.) |
| Brassey, Sir Leonard | Furnes, G. J. | Manville, Edward |
| Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive | Garland, C. S. | Margesson, H. D. R. |
| Briggs, Harold | Gates, Percy | Martin, A. E. (Essex, Romford) |
| Brittain, Sir Harry | Goff, Sir R. Park | Mason, Lieut.-Col. C. K. |
| Brown, Major D. C. (Hexham) | Gould, James C. | Mercer, Colonel H. |
| Brown, Brig.-Gen. Clifton (Newbury) | Gray, Harold (Cambridge) | Milne, J. S. Ward law |
| Brown, J. W. (Middlesbrough, E.) | Greene, Lt.-Col. Sir W. (Hack'y, N.) | Mitchell, W. F. (Saffron Walden) |
| Bruford. R. | Greenwood, William (Stockport) | Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) |
| Bruton, Sir James | Guinness, Lieut.-Col. Hon. W. E, | Molloy, Major L. G. S. |
| Buckingham, Sir H. | Gwynne, Rupert S. | Molson, Major John Elsdale |
| Buckey. Lieut.-Colonel A. | Hacking, Captain Douglas H. | Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C. |
| Bull, Rt. Hon. Sir William James | Hall, Rr-Adml Sir W. (Liv'p'l,W.D'by) | Morden, Col. W. Grant |
| Burn, Colonel Sir Charles Rosdew | Halstead, Major D. | Morrison, Hugh (Wilts, Salisbury) |
| Burney, Com. (Middx., Uxbridge) | Hamilton, Sir George C. (Altrincham) | Morrison-Bell, Major A. C. (Honlton) |
| Butcher, Sir John George | Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry | Murchison, C. K. |
| Butler, H. M. (Leeds, North) | Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent) | Nall, Major Joseph |
| Butt, Sir Alfred | Harrison, F. C. | Nesbitt, Robert C. |
| Button, H. S. | Harvey, Major S. E. | Newman, Colonel J. R. P. (Flnchley) |
| Cadogan, Major Edward | Hay, Major T. W. (Norfolk, South) | Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) |
| Calne, Gordon Hall | Henn, Sir Sydney H. | Newson, Sir Percy Wilson |
| Campion, Lieut.-Colonel W. R. | Hennessy, Major J. R. G. | Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge) |
| Cassels, J. D. | Herbert. Col. Hon. A. (Yeovll) | Nicholson, Brig.-Gen.J. (Westminster) |
| Cautley, Henry Strother | Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) | Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) |
| Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) | Herbert, S. (Scarborough) | Nield, Sir Herbert |
| Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) | Hewett, Sir J. P. | Norton-Griffiths, Lieut.-Col. Sir John |
| Cecil. Rt. Hon. Lord H. (Ox. Univ.) | Hilder, Lieut.-Colonel Frank | O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Hugh |
| Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton | Hiley, Sir Ernest | Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William |
| Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) | Hoare, Lieut.-Colonel Sir S. J. G. | Paget, T. G. |
| Chilcott, Sir Warden | Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D. (St. Marylebone) | Parker, Owen (Kettering) |
| Churchman, Sir Arthur | Hoher, Gerald Fitzroy | Pennefather, De Fonbianque |
| Clayton, G. C. | Holbrook, Sir Arthur Richard | Penny, Frederick George |
| Coates, Lt.-Col. Norman | Hood, Sir Joseph | Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) |
| Cobb, Sir Cyril | Hopkins, John W. W. | Perkins, Colonel E. K. |
| Cockerill. Brigadier-General G. K. | Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) | Perring, William George |
| Cohen, Major J. Brunel | Home, Sir R. S. (Glasgow, Hillhead) | Pielou, D. P. |
| Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips | Houfton, John Plowright | Pilditch, Sir Philip |
| Colvin, Brig.-General Richard Beale | Howard, Capt, D, (Cumberland, N.) | Pollock, Rt. Hon. Sir Ernest Murray |
| Cope, Major William | Howard-Bury, Lieut-Col. C. K. | Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton |
| Cory, Sir J. H. (Cardiff. South) | Hudson, Capt. A. | Preston, Sir W. R. |
| Craig, Captain C. C. (Antrim, South) | Hughes. Collingwood | Pretyman, Rt. Hon. Ernest G. |
| Craik, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry | Hume, G H. | Privett, F. J. |
| Croft. Lieut.-Colonel Henry Page | Hunter-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir Aylmer | Raeburn, Sir William H. |
| Crook C. W. (East Ham, North) | Hurd, Percy A. | Raine, W. |
| Rankin, Captain James Stuart | Sheffield, Sir Berkeley | Tubbs, S. W. |
| Rawlinson, Rt. Hon. John Fredk. Peel | Shepperson, E. W. | Turton, Edmund Russborough |
| Rawson, Lieut.-Com. A. C. | Shipwright, Captain D. | Wallace, Captain E. |
| Reid, Capt. A. S. C. (Warrington) | Simms. Dr. John M. (Co. Down) | Ward, Col. L. (Kingston-upon-Hull) |
| Remnant, Sir James | Simpson-Hinchcliffe, W. A. | Waring, Major Walter |
| Rentoul, G. S. | Skelton, A. N. | Watts, Dr. T. (Man., Withington) |
| Reynolds, W. G. W. | Smith, Sir Allan M. (Croydon, South) | Wells, S. R. |
| Rhodes, Lieut.-Col. J. P. | Somerville, A. A. (Windsor) | Wheler, Col. Granville C. H. |
| Richardson, Sir Alex. (Gravesend) | Somerville, Daniel (Barrow-in-Furness) | White, Col. G D. (Southport) |
| Richardson, Lt.-Col. Sir P. (Chertsey) | Sparkes, H. W. | Willey, Arthur |
| Roberts, Samuel (Hereford, Hereford) | Stanley, Lord | Winter-ton, Earl |
| Robertson, J. D. (Islington, W ) | Steel, Major S. Strang | Wise, Frederick |
| Rogerson, Capt. J. E. | Stockton, Sir Edwin Forsyth | Wolmer. Viscount |
| Rothschild, Lionel de | Stott, Lt.-Col. W. H. | Wood, Rt. Hon. Edward F. L. (Ripon) |
| Roundell, Colonel R. F. | Stuart, Lord C. Crichton- | Wood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, West) |
| Ruggles-Brise, Major E. | Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser | Wood. Major Sir S. Hill- (High Peak) |
| Russell, William (Bolton) | Sugden, Sir Wilfrid H. | Woodcock, Colonel H. c. |
| Russell-Wells, Sir Sydney | Sutcliffe, T. | Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L. |
| Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) | Sykes, Major-Gen. Sir Frederick H. | Yale, Colonel Sir Charles Edward |
| Sanders, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert A. | Terrell, Captain R. (Oxford. Henley) | Yerburgh, R. D. T. |
| Sanderson, Sir Frank B. | Thompson, Luke (Sunderland) | |
| Sandon, Lord | Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South) | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.- |
| Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D | Titchfield, Marquess of | Colonel Leslie Wilson and Colonel Gibbs. |
| Scott, Sir Leslie (Liverp'l, Exchange) | Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement | |
| NOES. | ||
| Adams, D. | Guest, Hon. C. H. (Bristol, N.) | Murray. R. (Renfrew, Western) |
| Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) | Guest, J. (York, Hemsworth) | Newbold, J. T. W. |
| Alexander, Col. M. (Southwark) | Guthrle, Thomas Maule | Nichol, Robert |
| Asqulth, Rt. Hon. Herbert Henry | Hall, F. (York. W.R., Normanton) | O'Connor, Thomas P. |
| Attlee, C. R. | Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) | O'Grady Captain James |
| Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) | Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) | Oliver, George Harold |
| Barrie, Sir Charles Coupar (Banff) | Hancock, John George | Paling, W. |
| Batey, Joseph | Hardie, George D. | Parker, H. (Hanley) |
| Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith) | Harris, Percy A. | Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) |
| Berkeley, Captain Reginald | Hayday, Arthur | Pattinson, S. (Horncastle) |
| Bonwick, A. | Hayes, John Henry (Edge Hill) | Phillipps, Vivian |
| Bowdler, W. A. | Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (N'castle, E.) | Philipson, Hilton |
| Briant, Frank | Herriotts. J. | Ponsonby, Arthur |
| Broad, F. A. | Hirst, G. H. | Potts, John S. |
| Brotherton, J. | Hogge. James Myles | Pringle, W. M. R. |
| Buchanan, G. | Hutchison, Sir R. (Kirkcaldy) | Rees, Sir Beddoe |
| Buckle, J. | Irving, Dan | Richardson, R. (Houghton-le Spring) |
| Burnie, Major J. (Bootle) | Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) | Riley, Ben |
| Buxton, Charles (Accrington) | John, William (Rhondda, West) | Ritson, J. |
| Buxton, Noel (Norfolk, North) | Johnston. Thomas (Stirling) | Roberts, C. H. (Derby) |
| Cape, Thomas | Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) | Roberts, Frederick O. (W. Bromwich) |
| Chapple. W. A. | Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) | Robertson, J. (Lanark, Bothwell) |
| Clarke, Sir E. C. | Jones, R. T. (Carnarvon) | Robinson, W. C. (York, Elland) |
| Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. | Jones, T. l. Mardy (Pontypridd) | Rose, Frank H. |
| Collins, Pat (Walsall) | Jowett, F. W. (Bradford, East) | Royce, William Stapleton |
| Collison, Levi | Jowitt, W. A. (The Hartlepools) | Saklatvala, s. |
| Cotts, Sir William Dingwall Mitchell | Kenworthy, Lieut.-Commander J. M. | Salter, Dr. A. |
| Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) | Kenyon, Barnet | Scrymgeour. E. |
| Darbishire, C. W. | Kirkwood, D. | Sexton, James |
| Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) | Lansbury, George | Shakespeare, G. H. |
| Davison, J. E. (Smethwick) | Lawson. John James | Shaw, Hon. Alex. (Kilmarnock) |
| Dudgeon, Major C. R. | Leach, W. | Shaw, Thomas (Preston) |
| Duffy, T. Gavan | Lee, F. | Shinwell. Emanuel |
| Dunnico, H. | Lees-Smith, H. B. (Keighley) | Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) |
| Ede, James Chuter | Linfield, F. C. | Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John |
| Edge, Captain Sir William | Lowth, T. | Simpson, J. Hope |
| Edmonds, G. | McCurdy, Rt. Hon. Charles A. | Sinclair, Sir A. |
| Emlyn-Jones, J. E. (Dorset, N.) | MacDonald, J. R. (Aberavon) | Sitch, Charles H. |
| England, Lieut.-Colonel A. | Macdonald, Sir Murdoch (Inverness) | Smith, T. (Pontefract) |
| Evans, Capt. H. Arthur (Leicester, E.) | M'Entee, V. L. | Snell, Harry |
| Evans. Ernest (Cardigan) | McLaren, Andrew | Snowden, Philip |
| Fairbairn, R. R. | Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. | Spencer. George A. (Broxtowe) |
| Fisher, Rt. Hon. Herbert A. L. | Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James l. | Spencer, H. H. (Bradford, S.) |
| Foot, Isaac | March, S. | Stephen, Campbell |
| George, Rt. Hon. David Lloyd | Marshall, Sir Arthur H. | Stewart, J. (St. Rollox) |
| George, Major G. L. (Pembroke) | Martin, F. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, E.) | Strauss, Edward Anthony |
| Gilbert, James Daniel | Maxton, James | Sturrock, J. Leng |
| Gosling, Harry | Middleton, G. | Sullivan, J. |
| Graham, W. (Edinburgh, Central) | Millar, J. D. | Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby) |
| Gray, Frank (Oxford) | Mond, Rt. Hon. Sir Alfred Morltz | Thomson, T. (Middlesbrough. West) |
| Greenall, T. | Moreing, Captain Algernon H. | Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.) |
| Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Coine) | mosley, Oswald | Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow) |
| Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) | Muir. John W. | Thornton, M. |
| Griffiths. T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) | Murnin, H. | Tillett. Benjamin |
| Groves, T. | Murray, Hon. A. C. (Aberdeen) ' | Trevelyan, C. P. |
| Grundy, T. W. | Murray, John (Leeds, West) | Turner, Ben |
| Wallhead, Richard C. | Wheatley, J. | Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow) |
| Warne, G. H. | White, Charles F, (Derby, Western) | Winfrey, Sir Richard |
| Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline) | White, H. G. (Birkenhead, E.) | Wood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.) |
| Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda) | Whiteley, W. | Wright, W. |
| Webb, Sidney | Williams, David (Swansea, E.) | Young, Rt. Hon. E. H. (Norwich) |
| Weir, L. M. | Williams, Dr. J. H. (Lianelly) | Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton) |
| Welsh, J. C. | Williams, T. (York, Don Valley) | |
| Westwood, J. | Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES — |
| Mr. Ammon and Mr. Lunn. |
Question, "That this House will, to-morrow, resolve itself into the Committee of Supply—[Colonel Leslie Wilson]—put accordingly, and agreed to.