HC Deb 19 May 1927 vol 206 cc1372-85
Mr. CLYNES

May I ask the Prime Minister if he will announce the business for next week?

The PRIME MINISTER

On Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, the Trade Disputes and Trade Unions Bill, Committee, fourth to eighth allotted days, inclusive, and, if time permit, other Orders on the Paper; of course bearing in mind what I said earlier in the afternoon, that if the promised statement by the Home Secretary is made on Tuesday, then we are prepared to give Thursday in the event of the Opposition desiring to put down a Vote of Censure, or to put down any Vote on Thursday to enable mere discussion, if that be desired. It is difficult at this moment to say what time will be required next week after the statement is made.

Mr. CLYNES

May I take it that that statement means that the Opposition have a choice of methods with regard to Thursday in the event of their finding it necessary to put down a Motion on the question of the Arcos raid after the Home Secretary's statement on Tuesday next?

The PRIME MINISTER

If the Motion is in the form of a Vote of Censure, of course.

Mr. CLYNES

I understood the Prime Minister to say, "or other Resolution."

The PRIME MINISTER

indicated dissent.

Mr. CLYNES

Does the Prime Minister deny to the Opposition the right to frame this Motion in their own terms?

The PRIME MINISTER

The universal practice of the Government, when time is desired, is to give that time on the Vote of the necessary Department, and it is always the choice of the Opposition to call for a day if they desire to put down a Vote of Censure. When the business of the House can easily afford the time, it has been the custom—I have done it myself—to give a separate day entirely; but at this time of the Session it is impossible to spare the day unless it be for the purpose of putting down a Vote of Censure.

Mr. A. HENDERSON

The last reply of the Prime Minister compels me to bring to the notice of the House what has actually taken place on this question of the Government providing time to discuss this Arcos business. On Monday last I was rung up by the Home Secretary, and he appealed to me not to move the Adjournment of the House on that day for reasons which I considered sufficiently important to justify my giving him an undertaking that I would not do so. I then put a question to him as to whether he would arrange with the Prime Minister that we should have time for a Debate immediately following his full statement. Just when I was going to the executive meeting of my party at 1.45 he rang me up again to intimate that he had consulted with the Prime Minister, who had undertaken that we should have time afforded us by the Government for the discussion. There was nothing said as to our taking the Home Office Vote. If it had been mentioned, I should have declined to take it for the reason that the issue raised could not be properly discussed on the Home Office Vote. The Prime Minister this afternoon asked us to defer the question until Thursday to enable the Foreign Minister to be present. I repeat that it cannot properly be discussed on the Home Office Vote. Nor was there anything said to tie the Opposition down to moving a Vote of Censure. Surely if we were promised time, as we were, it should be left to the Opposition to decide what form the Motion should take. [HON. MEMBERS: "Speech!"] Unless we can have an undertaking that the time will be pro- vided, and that we shall be allowed to put down our own Motion, I must ask you, Mr. Speaker, in view of all that has taken place, to allow me to move the Adjournment of the House in order to call attention to this matter.

Sir W. JOYNSON-HICKS

Perhaps I may be allowed to say one word, and I think the right hon. Gentleman will accept what I am going to say. While I accept his statement about the telephone communications, I think I did add that the method must be arranged by an interview between himself and the Chief Whip.

Mr. HENDERSON

I do not think that statement alters the position. I have been long enough in this House to know that arrangements through the usual channels do not permit of the other side dictating in what form a Motion should be moved. I want to appeal to the Prime Minister on this point. He has given us Thursday. Now the question is whether the Opposition is to be entitled to put down its own Motion.

The PRIME MINISTER

On Thursday, on the relevant Vote, the matter can be discussed in all its aspects, and a Motion for the reduction of the Minister's salary can be put down. This does not prejudice any future discussion because, as the House knows, every Vote can be kept open until the House has decided.

Mr. HENDERSON

In view of the unsatisfactory reply, I beg to ask leave to move the Adjournment of the House for the purpose of discussing a definite matter of urgent public importance, namely, "The issuing by the Home Secretary of a warrant of search for Arcos and also the Trade Delegation, with a view to ascertaining whether the raid on the Trade Delegation was in harmony with the Anglo-Russian Trading Agreement of 1921."

Sir W. JOYNSON-HICKS

May I submit that this Motion is wrongly framed, as the warrant was not issued by myself? [HON. MEMBERS: "You authorised it!"] Further than that, I have stated that the Government are not in a position to arrive at a final decision, but that they will be able to announce their final decision on Tuesday next. That being so, there cannot be any possible question of urgency.

Lieut.-Commander KENWORTHY

In regard to this Russian organisation, for the first time in modern times we have had a raid by the police searching for a document. In this case, matters have gone very much further. Therefore, I put it to you, Mr. Speaker, that this does raise a matter of very urgent and definite public importance, because if the action of the Government be not challenged, other raids may take place on business houses in the City of London.

Sir F. HALL

Is it not a perfectly easy matter for hon. Members to put down a Vote of Censure on the Government?

Mr. SPEAKER

I am put in a position of some difficulty. I was prepared, if I had been asked, to allow a Motion for the Adjournment last Monday when the matter first came to the notice of the House, but, for certain reasons, it was not asked for on that occasion. It seems to me that the Chair would be put at a great disadvantage if the House proceeded to discuss a Motion in regard to which the facts are not wholly before hon. Members. I hope the House will be able to come to some arrangement which will not put me in that position.

The PRIME MINISTER

Would it help if I made the suggestion that we should raise no objection if the Leader of the Opposition would move the Adjournment of the House on Tuesday?

Mr. SPEAKER

I think I ought to point out that on Tuesday we shall be working on the time-table, and that Motion could only come on at the end of the other business.

Mr. CLYNES

May I submit that the Prime Minister entirely overlooks what is the right of the Opposition in regard to such a matter, namely, to frame its own Resolution, after we have heard the statement of the Home Secretary on this question, which has been promised for Tuesday.

The PRIME MINISTER

There is no inherent right in the Opposition to frame their own Resolution, unless they do so in the form of a Vote of Censure.

Mr. CLYNES

If there be no question of a right in this matter, will the Prime Minister leave the Opposition free to frame the Resolution as they think fit?

4.0 p.m.

The PRIME MINISTER

I do not quite understand what the right hon. Gentleman means. The Opposition is always perfectly free to frame a Vote of Censure in any terms it likes, but if it is a Resolution, or the discussion of any subject which does not involve a Vote of Censure, then they have no right to do that. The Government offer them a whole Supply day on which the matter can be discussed, in conformity with the usual and age-long precedent in this House, for a whole day. The only point about that is that, when a matter is discussed on Supply, you do it by moving a reduction of the Vote, and not by putting down a Resolution.

Mr. CLYNES

The fact is that there is more than one Department involved. There are three Departments specifically involved. This, we understand—indeed, we have been informed—is a deliberate act of Government policy which has been the subject of recent Cabinet discussions and decisions. We have been promised a day for the discussion. We await the Home Secretary's information on Tuesday, and I submit that, in such circumstances, the Opposition is entitled to full freedom in the framing of its Resolution after it has heard that statement.

The PRIME MINISTER

If that be the difficulty—which I quite see—I feel confident that, in the circumstances, whichever Vote was put down, the Chairman would allow—at least I hope he would—a discussion covering the whole ground.

Mr. HENDERSON

I appeal to you, Mr. Speaker, in view of the statement made about the undertaking given to me by the Home Secretary, on conversations opened up by himself, and subsequently approved by the Prime Minister. To take part of the time to which the Opposition is entitled under the Orders of the House, is not giving us anything at all. I appeal to you as to whether that is carrying out the undertaking that has been entered into.

Mr. SPEAKER

That is not a matter on which I ought to express an opinion. It might, possibly, help the House if I said that I have frequently seen tabled Motions which the Opposition did not characterise as Votes of Censure, but the Government took them as Votes of Censure. There must be some criticism of a Government in the Motion, unless the Opposition is going to move a vote of approval. It seems to me the two sides are not very far apart.

Mr. CLYNES

Interpreting that statement in the light of what has happened on previous occasions, I can only say that the Opposition will put down its Motion and have the discussion on the Thursday.

The PRIME MINISTER

I accept that.

The following Notice of Motion stood ore the Order Paper in the name of the Prime Minister: That the Proceedings on the Finance Bill and on the Post Office (Sites) Bill have precedence this day of the Business of

Supply, and that the Proceedings on the Post Office (Sites) Bill be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."

Mr. STEPHEN

I want to raise a point of Order on this Motion. Are there not two distinct Motions included in it, on which the House should have an opportunity of expressing its opinion?

Mr. SPEAKER

Yes, there are two Questions.

Motion made, and Question put, "That the Procedings on the Finance Bill and on the Post Office (Sites) Bill have precedence this day of the Business of Supply."—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 303; Noes, 137.

Division No. 140.] AYES. [4.5 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) Greaves-Lord, Sir Walter
Agg-Gardner, Rt. Hon. Sir James T. chapman, Sir S. Greene, W. P. Crawford
Ainsworth, Major Charles Charteris, Brigadier-General J. Greenwood, Rt. Hn. Sir H. (W'th's'w, E.)
Albery, Irving James Christle, J. A. Grenfell, Edward C. (City of London)
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John
Allen, J. Sandeman (L'pool, W. Derby) Churchman, Sir Arthur C. Grotrian, H. Brent
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Clayton, G. C Guest, Capt. Rt. Hon. F. E. (Bristol, N.)
Applin, Colonel R. V. K. Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E.
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Cockerill, Brig.-General Sir George Gunston, Captain D. W.
Astbury, Lieut.-Commander F. W. Cohen, Major J. Brunel Hacking, Captain Douglas H.
Astor, Viscountess Colfox, Major Wm. Philip Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich)
Atholl, Duchess of Conway, Sir W. Martin Hall, Admiral Sir R. (Eastbourne)
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Cope, Major William Hall, Capt. W. D'A. (Brecon & Rad.)
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Couper, J. B. Hammersley, S. S.
Barnett, Major Sir Richard Courtauld, Major J. S. Hanbury, C.
Beamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H. Courthope, Colonel Sir G. L. Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry
Beckett, Sir Gervase (Leeds, N.) Craig, Capt. Rt. Hon. C. C. (Antrim) Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent)
Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. Harrison, G. J. C.
Bennett, A. J. Crooke, J. Smedley (Derltend) Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington)
Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish- Crookshank, Col. C. de W, (Berwick) Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes)
Berry, Sir George Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Llndsey, Gainsbro) Haslam, Henry C.
Betterton, Henry B. Curzon, Captain Viscount Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M.
Birchall, Major J. Dearman Dalkeith, Earl of Henderson, Capt. R. R. (Dxf'd. Henley)
Bird, E. R. (Yorks, W. R., Skipton) Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil) Henderson, Lieut.-Col. V. L. (Bootle)
Bird, Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W.) Davies, Dr. Vernon Heneage, Lieut.-Col. Arthur P.
Blundell, F. N. Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) Henn, Sir Sydney H.
Boothby, R. J. G. Drewe, C. Hennessy, Major Sir G. R. J.
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Eden, Captain Anthony Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford)
Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart Edwards, J. Hugh (Accrington) Herbert, S. (York, N. R., Scar. & Wh'by)
Bowyer, Captain G. E. W. Ellis, R. G. Hilton, Cecil
Brass, Captain W. Elveden, Viscount Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G.
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) Hogg. Rt. Hon. Sir D. (St. Marylebone)
Briggs, J. Harold Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith Holbrook, Sir Arthur Richard
Briscoe, Richard George Fairfax, Captain J. G. Holt, Capt. H. P.
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Falle, Sir Bertram G. Hope, Capt. A. O. J. (Warw'k, Nun.
Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. Fanshawe, Captain G. D. Hopkins, J. W. W.
Broun-Lindsay, Major H. Fielden, E. B. Hopkinson, Sir A. (Eng. Universities)
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks, Newb'y) Finburgh, S. Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley)
Buchan, John Forestier-Walker, Sir L. Horlick, Lieut.-Colonel J. N.
Buckingham, Sir H. Forrest, W. Howard-Bury, Lieut.-Colonel C. K.
Bullock, Captain M. Foster, Sir Henry S. Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney. N.)
Bunnan, J. B. Foxcroft, Captain C. T. Hudson, R. S. (Cumberl'nd, Whiteh'n)
Burton, Colonel H. W. Fraser, Captain Ian Hunter-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir Aylmer
Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward Frece, Sir Walter de Hurd, Percy A.
Caine, Gordon Hall Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. Hutchison, G. A. Clark (Midl'n & P'bl's)
Campbell, E. T. Ganzoni, Sir John Illffe, Sir Edward M.
Carver, Major W. H. Gates, Percy Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H.
Cassels, J. D. Gault, Lieut.-Col. Andrew Hamilton Jackson, sir H. (Wandsworth, Cen'l)
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Jacob, A. E.
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Glyn, Major R. G. C. James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert
Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth. S.) Goff, Sir Park Jephcott, A. R.
Cazalet, Captain Victor A. Grace, John Jones G. W. H. (Stoke Newington)
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Grant, sir J. A. Joynson-Hicks, Rt. Hon. Sir William
Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. Kennedy, A. R. (Preston)
Kidd, J. (Linlithgow) Oakley, T. Steel, Major Samuel Strang
King, Captain Henry Douglas O'Connor, T. J. (Bedford, Luton) Storry-Deans, R.
Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Oman, Sir Charles William C. Streatfelid, Captain S. R.
Knox, Sir Alfred Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William Stuart, Crichton-, Lord C.
Lister, Cunilffe-, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Pennefather, Sir John Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Lloyd, Cyril E. (Dudley) Penny, Frederick George Sueter, Rear Admiral Murray Fraser
Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green) Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) Tasker, R. Inigo.
Looker-Lampson, Com. O. (Handsw'th) Perkins, Colonel E. K. Templeton, W. P.
Loder, J. de V. Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) Thom, Lt.-Col. J. G. (Dumbarton)
Looker, Herbert William Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome) Thompson, Luke (Sunderland)
Lowe, Sir Francis William Pilditch, Sir Philip Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, S.)
Lucas-Tooth, sir Hugh Vere Power, Sir John Cecil Thomson, Rt. Hon. sir W. Mitchell-
Luce, Maj.-Gen. Sir Richard Harman Pownall, Sir Assheton Tinne, J. A.
Lumley, L. R. Preston, William Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Lynn, Sir R. J. Price, Major C. W. M. Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
MacAndrew, Major Charles Glen Radford, E. A. Turton, Sir Edmund Russborough
Macdonald, Sir Murdoch (Inverness) Ralne. W. Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P.
Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) Ramsden, E. Waddington, R.
McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus Rawson, Sir Cooper Wallace, Captain D. E.
Maclntyre, Ian Reid, D. D. (County Down) Ward, Lt.-Col. A. L.(Kingston-on-Hull)
McLean, Major A. Rhys, Hon. C. A. U. Warner, Brigadier-General W. W.
Macnaghten, Hon. Sir Malcolm Rice, Sir Frederick Warrender, Sir Victor
McNeill, Rt. Hon. Ronald John Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y) Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I. Roberts, Sir Samuel (Hereford) Watson. Sir F. (Pudsey and Otley)
MacRobert, Alexander M. Ropner, Major L. Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle)
Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel- Ruggles-Briss, Lieut.-Colonel E. A. Watts, Dr. T.
Makins, Brigadier-General E. Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) Wheler, Major Sir Granville C. H.
Malone, Major P. B. Rye, F. G. White, Lieut.-Colonel G. Dairymple
Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn Salmon, Major I. Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern)
Margesson, Capt. D. Sandeman, N. Stewart Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
Meller, R. J. Sanders, Sir Robert A. Williams, Herbert G. (Reading)
Meyer, Sir Frank Sanderson, Sir Frank Wilson, M. J. (York, N. R., Richm'd)
Milne, J. S. Wardlaw Sandon, Lord Wilson, R. R. (Stafford, Lichfield)
Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark) Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D. Winby, Colonel L. P.
Mond, Rt. Hon. Sir Alfred Savery, S. S. Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M. Shaw, R. G. (Yorks. W.R., Sowerby) Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) Shaw, Lt.-Col. A. D. Mcl. (Renfrew, W) Wise, Sir Fredric
Moore, Sir Newton J. Sheffield, Sir Berkeley Wolmer, Viscount
Morrison, H. (Wilts, Salisbury) Shepperson, E. W. Womersley, W. J.
Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive Skelton, A. N. Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'ge & Hyde)
Murchison, Sir Kenneth Slaney, Major P. Kenyon Wood, Sir Kingsley (Woolwich, W.)
Nail, Colonel Sir Joseph Smith, R.W.(Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C. Wood, sir S. Hill-(High Peak)
Nelson, Sir Frank Smith-Carington, Neville W. Woodcock, Colonel H. C.
Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) Smithers, Waldron Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge) Spender-Clay, Colonel H. Young, Rt. Hon. Hilton (Norwich)
Nicholson, O. (Westminster) Sprot, Sir Alexander
Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G. (Ptrsf'ld.) Stanley, Col. Hon. G. F. (Will'sden, E.) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Nield, Rt. Hon. Sir Herbert Stanley, Lord (Fylde) Colonel Gibbs and Major Sir Harry Barnston.
NOES.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Dunnlco, H. Kenworthy, Lt. Com. Hon. Joseph M.
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) Lansbury, George
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') Fenby, T. D. Lawrence, Susan
Ammon, Charles George Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. Lawson, John James
Attlee, Clement Richard Gardner, J. P. Lee, F.
Baker, J. (Wolverhampton, Bilston) Gibbins, Joseph Lindley, F. W.
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) Gillett, George M. Livingstone, A. M.
Barnes, A. Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) Lunn, William
Barr, J. Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edln., Cent.) MacLaren, Andrew
Batey, Joseph Greenall, T. Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan)
Beckett, John (Gateshead) Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) MacNeill-Weir, L.
Bondfield, Margaret Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) March, S.
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Groves, T. Maxton, James
Briant, Frank Grundy, T. W. Mitchell, E. Rosslyn (Paisley)
Broad, F. A. Hall, F. (York, W. R.. Normanton) Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.)
Bromley, J. Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) Mosley, Oswald
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Hardie, George D. Murnin, H.
Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Harris, Percy A. Palin, John Henry
Buchanan, G. Hayday, Arthur Paling, W.
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel Henderson, Right Hon. A. (Burnley) Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan)
Clowes, S. Henderson, T. (Glasgow) Pethick-Lawrence, F. W.
Cluse, W. S. Hirst, G. H. Ponsonby, Arthur
Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Potts, John S.
Connolly, M. Hore-Bellsha, Leslie Richardson. R. (Houghton-le-Spring)
Cove, W. G. Hudson, J. H, (Huddersfield) Riley, Ben
Crawfurd, H. E. Hutchison, Sir Robert (Montrose) Ritson, J.
Dalton, Hugh Johnston, Thomas (Dundee) Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Bromwich)
Davies, Ellis (Denbigh, Denbigh) Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) Robinson, W. C. (Yorks, W. R., Eliand)
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Rose, Frank H.
Day, Colonel Harry Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Saklatvala, Shapurji
Dennison, R. Kennedy, T. Salter, Dr. Alfred
Scrymgeour, E. Sullivan, Joseph Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Sexton, James Sutton, J. E. Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney
Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston) Taylor, R. A. Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. Josiah
Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby) Wellock, Wilfred
Slesser, Sir Henry H. Thomas, Sir Robert John (Anglesey) Welsh, J. C.
Smillie, Robert Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.) Wheatley, Rt. Hon. J.
Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe) Thurtle, Ernest Wiggins, William Martin
Smith, H. B. Lees- (Keighley) Tinker, John Joseph Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Smith, Rennie (Penistone) Townend, A. E. Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Snell, Harry Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. C. P. Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip Varley, Frank B. Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Spoor, Rt. Hon. Benjamin Charles Viant, S. P. Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe)
Stamford, T. W. Wallhead, Richard C. Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Stephen, Campbell Walsh, Rt. Hon. Stephen
Stewart, J. (St. Rollox) Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Mr. Hayes and Mr. Whiteley.

Motion made and Question put: That the proceeding on the Post Office (Sites) Bill be exempted at this day's sitting from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sitting of the House)."—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 292; Noes, 132.

Division No. 141.] AYES. [4.15 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Churchman, Sir Arthur C. Hanbury, C.
Agg-Gardner, Rt. Hon. Sir James T. Clayton, G. C. Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry
Ainsworth, Major Charles Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent)
Albery, Irving James Cockerill, Brig.-General Sir George Harrison, G. S. C.
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) Cohen, Major J. Brunel Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington)
Allen, J. Sandeman (L'pool, W. Derby) Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips Harvey, Majors. E. (Devon, Totnes)
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Couper, J. B. Haslam, Henry C.
Applin, Colonel R. V. K. Courtauld, Major J. S. Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M.
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Courthope, Colonel Sir G. L. Henderson. Capt. R. R. (Oxf'd, Henley)
Astbury, Lieut.-Commander F. W. Craig, Capt. Rt. Hon. C. C. (Antrim) Henderson, Lieut.-Col. V. L. (Bootle)
Astor, Viscountess Crooke, J. Smedley (Derltend) Heneage, Lieut.-Col. Arthur P.
Atholl, Duchess of Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick) Henn, Sir Sydney H.
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainsbro) Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford)
Barclay-Harvey C. M. Curzon, Captain Viscount Herbert, S. (York, N. R., Scar. & Wh'by)
Barnett, Major Sir Richard Dalkeith, Earl of Hilton, Cecil
Barnston, Major Sir Harry Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil) Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. C.
Beamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H. Davies, Dr. Vernon Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D. (St. Marylebone)
Beckett, Sir Gervase (Leeds, N.) Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) Holbrook, Sir Arthur Richard
Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) Drewe, C. Holt, Captain H. P.
Bennett, A. J. Eden, Captain Anthony Hope, Capt. A. O. J. (Warw'k, Nun.)
Bentlnck, Lord Henry Cavendish- Edwards, J. Hugh (Accrington) Hopkins, J. W. W.
Berry, Sir George Ellis, R. G. Hopkinson, sir A. (Eng. Universities)
Betterton, Henry B. Elveden, Viscount Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley)
Bird, E. R. (Yorks, W. R., Skipton) Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) Horlick, Lieut.-Colonel J. N.
Bird, Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W.) Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith Howard-Bury, Lieut.-Colonel C. K.
Blundell, F. N. Falle, Sir Bertram G. Hudson, Capt. A. U. M.(Hackney. N).
Boothby, R. J. G. Fermoy, Lord Hudson, R. S. (Cumberl'nd, Whiteh'n)
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Fielden, E. B. Hunter-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir Aylmer
Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart Finburgh, S. Hurd, Percy A.
Bowyer, Captain G. E. W. Forestler-Walker, Sir L. Hutchison, G. A. Clark (Mldl'n & P'bl's)
Brass, Captain W. Forrest, W. Illffe, Sir Edward M.
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive Foster, Sir Harry S. Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H.
Briggs, J. Harold Foxcroft, Captain C. T. Jackson, Sir H. (Wandsworth, Cen'l)
Briscoe, Richard George Fraser, Captain Ian Jacob, A. E.
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Frece, Sir Walter de James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert
Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. Jephcott, A. R.
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks, Newb'y) Ganzonl, Sir John Jones, G. W. H. (Stoke Newington)
Buchan, John Gates, Percy Joynson- Hicks, Rt. Hon. Sir William
Buckingham, Sir H. Gault, Lieut.-Col. Andrew Hamilton Kennedy, A. R. (Preston)
Bullock, Captain M. Gibbs, Col. Rt. Hon. George Abraham Kidd, J. (Linlithgow)
Burman, J. B. Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John King, Captain Henry Douglas
Burton, Colonel H. W, Glyn, Major R. G. C. Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement
Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward Soff, Sir Park Knox, Sir Alfred
Calne, Gordon Hall Grace, John Lister, Cuniffe-. Rt. Hon. Sir Philip
Campbell, E. T. Grant, Sir J. A. Lloyd, Cyril E. (Dudley)
Carver, Major W. H. Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green)
Cassels, J. D. Greaves-Lord, Sir Walter Locker, Lampson, Com. O. (Handsw'th)
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Greene, W. P. Crawford Loder, J. de V.
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Greenwood, Rt. Hn. Sir H. (W'th's'w,E) Looker, Herbert William
Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth, S.) Grenfell, Edward C. (City of London) Lowe, Sir Francis William
Cazalet, Captain Victor A. Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Vere
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Grotrian, H. Brent Luce, Maj.-Gen. Sir Richard Harman
Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton Guest. Capt. Rt. Hon. F. E. (Bristol, N.) Lumley, L. R.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) Gunston, Captain D. W. Lynn, Sir R. J.
Chapman, Sir S. Hacking, Captain Douglas H. MacAndrew, Major Charles Glen
Charteris, Brigadier-General J. Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.)
Christie, J. A. Hall, Admiral Sir R. (Eastbourne) McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer Hammersley, S. S. Maclntyre, Ian
McLean, Major A. Radford, E. A. Templeton, W. P.
Macmillan, Captain H. Raine, W. Thom, Lt.-Col. J. G. (Dumbarton)
Macnaghten, Hon. Sir Maicoim Ramsden, E. Thompson, Luke (Sunderland)
McNeill, Rt. Hon. Ronald John Rawson, Sir Cooper Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, S.)
Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I. Reid, D. D. (County Down) Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell.
MacRobert, Alexander M. Rhys, Hon. C. A. U. Tinne, J. A.
Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel. Rice, Sir Frederick Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Makins, Brigadier-General E. Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y) Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Malone, Major P. B. Roberts, E. H. G. (Flint) Turton, Sir Edmund Russborough
Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn Roberts, Sir Samuel (Hereford) Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P.
Margesson, Captain D. Ropner, Major L. Waddington, R.
Meller, R. J. Ruggies-Brise, Lieut.-Colonel E. A. Wallace, Captain D. E.
Meyer, Sir Frank Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) Ward. Lt.-Col. A. L.(Kingston-on-Hull)
Milne, J. S. Wardlaw Rye, F. G. Warner, Brigadier-General W. W.
Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark) Salmon, Major I. Warrender, Sir Victor
Mond, Rt. Hon. Sir Alfred Sandeman, N. Stewart Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M. Sanders, Sir Robert A. Watson, Sir F. (Pudsey and Otley)
Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) Sanderson, Sir Frank Watts, Dr. T.
Morrison, H. (Wilts, Sallsbury) Sandon, Lord Wheler, Major Sir Granville C. H.
Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Cilve Savery, S. S. White, Lieut.-Col. Sir G. Dairymple
Murchison, Sir Kenneth Shaw, R. G. (Yorks, W.R., Sowerby) Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern)
Nall, Colonel Sir Joseph Shaw, Lt.-Col. A. D. Mcl. (Renfrew. W) Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
Nelson, Sir Frank Sheffield, Sir Berkeley Williams, Herbert G. (Reading)
Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) Shepperson, E. W. Wilson, M. J. (York, N. R., Richm'd)
Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge Skelton, A. N. Wilson, R. R. (Stafford, Lichfield)
Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G. (Ptrsf'ld.) Slaney, Major P. Kenyon Winby, Colonel L. P.
Nield, Rt. Hon. Sir Herbert Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.) Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Oakley, T. Smith-Carington, Neville W. Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
O'Connor, T. J. (Bedford, Luton) Smithers, Waldron Wise, Sir Fredric
Oman, Sir Charles William C. Spender-Clay, Colonel H. Wolmer, Viscount
Pennefather, Sir John Sprot, Sir Alexander Womersley, W. J.
Penny, Frederick George Stanley, Col. Hon. G. F. (Will'sden, E.) Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'dge & Hyde)
Perkins, Colonel E. K. Stanley, Lord (Fylde) Wood, Sir Kingsley (Woolwich, W.)
Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) Steel, Major Samuel Strang Wood, Sir S. Hill- (High Peak)
Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome) Storry-Deans, R. Woodcock, Colonel H. C.
Pilditch, Sir Philip Streatfeild, Captain S. R. Worthington-Evans. Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Power, Sir John Cecil Stuart, Crichton-, Lord C. Young, Rt. Hon. Hilton (Norwich)
Pownall, Sir Assheton Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Preston, William Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Price, Major C. W. M. Tasker, R. Inigo. Major sir George Hennessy and
Major Cope.
NOES.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (File, West) Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) Paling, W.
Adamson, W. M. (Staff. Cannock) Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Pethick-Lawrence, F. W.
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') Groves, T. Ponsonby, Arthur
Ammon, Charles George Grundy, T. W. Potts, John S.
Attlee, Clement Richard Hall, F. (York. W. R., Normanton) Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring)
Baker, J. (Wolverhampton, Bilston) Hamilton. Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) Riley, Ben
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) Hardie, George D. Hitson, J.
Barnes, A. Harney, E. A. Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Bromwich)
Barr, J. Harris, Percy A. Robinson W.C. (Yorks, W. H., Elland)
Batey, Joseph Haynay, Arthur Rose, Frank H.
Beckett, John (Gateshead) Hayes, John Henry Sakiatvaia, Shapurjl
Bondfield, Margaret Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Burnley) Salter, Dr. Alfred
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Henderson, T. (Glasgow) Scrymgeour, E.
Briant, Frank Hirst, G. H. Sexton, James
Broad, F. A. Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston)
Bromley, J. Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Johnston, Thomas (Dundee) Smillie, Robert
Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) Smith, H. B. Lees (Keighley)
Buchanan, G. Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Snell Harry
Clowes, S. Kennedy, T. Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip
Cluse, W. S. Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M. Spoor, Rt. Hon. Benjamin Charles
Clynes, Right Hon. John R. Lansbury, George Stamford, T. W.
Connolly, M. Lawrence, Susan Stephen, Campbell
Cove, W. G. Lawson, John James Stewart, J (St. Rollox)
Crawfurd, H. E. Lee, F. Sullivan, Joseph
Dalton, Hugh Lindley, F. W. Sutton, J. E.
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Livingstone, A. M. Taylor, R. A.
Day, Colonel Harry Lunn, William Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby)
Dennison, R. MacLaren, Andrew Thomas, Sir Robert John (Anglesey)
Dunnico, H. Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan) Thorne G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.)
Fenby, T. D. MacNeill-Weir, L. Thurtle, Ernest
Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. March, S. Tinker, John Joseph
Gardner, J. P. Maxton, James Townend, A. E.
Gibbins, Joseph Mitchell, E. Rosslyn (Paisley) Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. C. P.
Gillett, George M. Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) Varley, Frank B.
Gosling, Harry Mosley, Oswald Viant, S. P.
Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) Murnin, H. Wallhead, Richard C.
Greenall, T. palin, John Henry Walsh, Rt. Hon. Stephen
Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline) Wheatley, Rt. Hon. J. Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda) Whiteley, W. Wilson, C. H. (Snemeld, Attercliffs)
Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney Wiggins, William Martin Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. Josiah Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Wellock, Wilfred Williams, David (Swansea, East) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Welsh, J. C. Williams, Dr. J. H. (Lianelly) Mr. Allen Parkinson and Mr. Charles
Edwards.