§ As amended (in the Standing Committee) again considered.
§ Question again proposed, "That the words of or in similar goods' be there inserted in the Bill."
§ 5.0 P.M.
§ Mr. HARRISI was pointing out that well-known British brands of canned goods, which are to be put on the market, will have to bear a stamp of warranty that they are handled by British merchants. I know it is the custom nowadays to speak with contempt of the middleman. I can understand certain hon. Members taking that view and wanting to nationalise industry and do away with private profits, but it surprises me that the President of the Board of Trade in a Conservative Government should go out of his way to handicap and hinder what ought to be the pride of his nation, its merchants. We have sometimes been palled a nation of shopkeepers, but, at any rate, we have a reputation of being honest shopkeepers. A large number of people make an honest living by handling millions of canned goods from America and from the Continent of Europe. I am informed that this country imports no less than 13,000,000 packages each year of canned goods, of which 2,500,000 only come from the Dominions. I understand that about 250,000 come from Singapore, so that reduces the amount from the Dominions to about 2,000,000. I would like to see that quantity increased by all possible means, but the way to help trade is not to come in with elaborate machinery of trade marks and brands which might suggest that British traders are trying to deceive and mislead the public, while all they are trying to do is to give the British public cheap goods of a good quality. I am 80 assured that many merchants and traders are very much concerned and worried by this Bill. They tell me that it will disorganise their business and handicap them, not only in competing for the home trade, because that is a comparatively small matter, but in competing in the markets of the world for the very large trade in tinned goods throughout the British Dominions and other parts of the world. As these Regulations require that the country of origin must be printed in large letters on the goods, it will be very likely to prejudice their sale and handicap our merchants in competition throughout the world.
§ Mr. T. HENDERSONI want to raise a point which is of some interest. Every Member of this House is well aware of the great growth that has taken place in combines in industry, and I want to refer to the case of Messrs. Coats, the great thread manufacturers, which may be said to be international in its character. It has thread mills in Russia and different parts of the world. Supposing that they have a surplus of thread in some parts of the world, and that it is sent to Paisley, which is the headquarters of the firm, is that thread to be marked as being of foreign origin? The only competition here is not between Messrs. Coats and another firm, but as between the workmen in the Continental factories and the British workmen. What is to be done if Messrs Coats propose to sell goods made by their firm abroad? Will they have to put the place of origin on those goods? If the right hon. Gentleman can clear up that point, it will remove, from my point of view, a great deal of feeling which I have against the Measure.
§ Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTERThis Clause does not put any obligation upon anyone, in the first instance, as to the mark of origin. If the goods which are sold under a British name are not of British manufacture, you must put the mark of origin upon them.
§ Mr. R. MORRISONMessrs. Coats's goods are well known all over the world. They are the only thread makers of any importance. Will it mean that this firm will have to alter all their present arrangements and that all the surplus thread which they transfer here from other countries will have to be re-marked?
§ Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTERThey will have to comply, as every other firm has to do, with the Bill. If they choose to put their name on something which is not in fact manufactured in this country but manufactured abroad, they will have to put the correct indication of origin. I do not see why they should not do so.
§ Miss LAWRENCEI feel that there should have been a money estimate in connection with this Bill, because this is exactly one of the Clauses which will mean the creation of a great army of officials. I do not know how many hundreds of thousands of traders there are in this country. The position is that, if any foreigner happens to have a namesake in England, the box which he sends need not be marked, but if he has not a namesake in England then it will be an offence for him not to mark the box, "Made abroad." But the person who has to ascertain that is the unfortunate retailer. The retailer may believe that the name on the box is unique, but there may very well be persons in England of the same name. If the foreign name does not occur in England—and knowing East London as I do, I know that there are many thousands of foreign names in East London—there is no offence. But if the
§ foreign name occurs in England, it is an offence not to put the country of origin on the box. If the name is unique, no offence occurs. In the first instance, the retailer, who is a busy man, is responsible; and, in the second place, there will need to be a very large number of inspectors in the service of the Department to ascertain whether in fact a crime has or has not been committed. This Bill is tempered by its unworkableness, and this Clause, which would otherwise be a very bad Clause, is mercifully tempered by the fact that no body of people will be able to apply it literally. We shall see as we go through the Bill that there are worse examples in the Clauses which follow, but I do want to point out on this Clause what is the essential character of the Bill. I do not want to use offensive language, and I will not say that the Bill is a mere pretence, but I will say that it is merely a consofatory Bill, because we have in it Clause after Clause which is meant to please the British consumer, and which, when examined, will be found to be almost useless. Therefore I shall vote against it.
§ Question put, "That the words of or in similar goods' be there inserted in the Bill."
§ The House divided: Ayes, 75; Noes, 224.
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| Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) | Grundy, T. W. | Ponsonby, Arthur |
| Attlee, Clement Richard | Hall, F. (York. W.R., Normanton) | Potts, John S. |
| Baker, J. (Wolverhampton, Bilston) | Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) | Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) |
| Baker, Walter | Hardie, George D. | Robinson, W. C. (Yorks, W.R.,Elland) |
| Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) | Harris, Percy A. | Salter, Dr. Alfred |
| Barr, J | Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon | Scurr, John |
| Batey, Joseph | Hayday, Arthur | Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) |
| Beckett, John (Gateshead) | Hayes, John Henry | Sinclair, Major Sir A. (Caithness) |
| Briant, Frank | Hirst, G. H. | Slesser, Sir Henry H. |
| Bromley, J. | Hore-Belisha, Leslie | Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe) |
| Charleton, H. C. | Hutchison, Sir Robert (Montrose) | Smith, Rennie (Penistone) |
| Cluse, W. S. | Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) | Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip |
| Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. | Kelly, W. T. | Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.) |
| Compton, Joseph | Kennedy, T. | Thurtle, Ernest |
| Connolly, M. | Lansbury, George | Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. C. P. |
| Cove, W. G | Lawrence, Susan | Wallhead, Richard C. |
| Dalton, Hugh | Lee, F. | Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda) |
| Davison, J. E. (Smethwick) | Lowth, T. | Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney |
| Day, Colonel Harry | Lunn, William | Whiteley, W. |
| Dennison, R. | March, S. | Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe) |
| Duncan, c. | Montague, Frederick | Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow) |
| Gardner, J. P. | Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) | Windsor, Walter |
| Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.) | Naylor, T. E. | Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton) |
| Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) | Oliver, George Harold | |
| Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) | Owen, Major G. | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— |
| Groves, T. | Paling, W. | Mr. T. Henderson and Mr. A. Barnes. |
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| Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel | Apsley, Lord | Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley |
| Agg-Gardner, Rt. Hon. Sir James T. | Astbury, Lieut.-Commander, F. W. | Balniel, Lord |
| Albery, Irving James | Astor, Viscountess | Barclay-Harvey, C. M. |
| Applin, Colonel R. V. K. | Atholl, Duchess of | Barnett, Major Sir Richard |
| Backett, Sir Gervase (Leeds, N.) | Ganzoni, Sir John | Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) |
| Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W. | Gates, Percy | Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William |
| Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) | Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John | Penny, Frederick George |
| Bennett, A. J. | Glyn, Major R. G. C. | Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) |
| Berry, Sir George | Goff, Sir Park | Perkins, Colonel E. K. |
| Betterton, Henry B. | Gower, Sir Robert | Perring, Sir William George |
| Bird, E. R. (Yorks, W. R., Skipton) | Grace, John | Peto, Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) |
| Blades, Sir George Rowland | Graham, Frederick F. (Cumb'ld., N.) | Phillpson, Mabel |
| Blundell, F. N. | Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. | Pilditch, Sir Philip |
| Boothby, R. J. G. | Greene, W P. Crawford | Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Assheton |
| Bourne, Captain Robert Croft | Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E. | Price, Major C. W. M. |
| Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart | Gunston, Captain D. W. | Raine, W. |
| Brass, Captain W. | Hacking, Captain Douglas H. | Ramsden, E. |
| Brassey, Sir Leonard | Hall, Vice-Admiral Sir R. (Eastbourne) | Reid, D. D. (County Down |
| Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive | Harmsworth, Han. E. C. (Kent) | Remer, J. R. |
| Briggs, J. Harold | Harrison, G. J. C. | Remnant, Sir James |
| Brittain, Sir Harry | Hartington, Marquess of | Rentoul, G. S. |
| Brocklebank, C. E. R. | Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) | Rhys, Hon. C. A. U. |
| Broun-Lindsay, Major H. | Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) | Rice, Sir Frederick |
| Brown, Brig.-Gen. H.C.(Berks, Newb'y) | Haslam, Henry C. | Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y) |
| Buckingham, Sir H. | Hawke, John Anthony | Ropner, Major L. |
| Bullock, Captain M. | Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M. | Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) |
| Burman, J. B. | Henderson, Lieut.-Col. V L. (Bootle) | Rye, F. G. |
| Burton, Colonel H. W. | Heneage, Lieut.-Col. Arthur P. | Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) |
| Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward | Hennessy, Major J. R. G. | Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney) |
| Campbell, E. T. | Herbert, S.(York. N. R.,Scar, & Wh'by) | Sandeman, A. Stewart |
| Cautley, Sir Henry S. | Hills, Major John Walter | Sandon, Lord |
| Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) | Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. | Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D. |
| Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R.(Prtsmth.S.) | Hogg. Rt. Hon. Sir D. (St. Marylebone) | Savory, S. S. |
| Cazalet, Captain Victor A. | Hope, Sir Harry (Forfar) | Sheffield, Sir Berkeley |
| Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton | Hopkinson, Sir A. (Eng. Universities) | Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'line, C.) |
| Chamberlain, Rt.Hn.Sir J.A. (Birm.,w.) | Horne, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert S. | Smithers, Waldron |
| Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) | Hudson, Capt. A. U. M.(Hackney, N.) | Somerville, A. A. (Windsor) |
| Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer | Hudson, R. S. (Cumberl'nd, Whiteh'n) | Spender-Clay, Colonel H. |
| Churchman, Sir Arthur C. | Hume-Williams, Sir W. Ellis | Sprot, Sir Alexander |
| Cobb, Sir Cyril | Hurd, Percy A. | Stanley, Col. Hon. G.F.(Will'sden, E.> |
| Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. | Hurst, Gerald B. | Stanley, Lord (Fylde) |
| Cockerill, Brig.-General Sir G. K. | Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. | Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H. |
| Conway, Sir W. Martin | James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthberl | Streatfield, Captain S. R. |
| Cope, Major William | Jephcott, A. R. | Stuart, Crichton-. Lord C. |
| Cralk, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry | Joynson-Hicks, Rt. Hon. Sir William | Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser |
| Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. | Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) | Sugden, Sir Wilfrid |
| Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) | Kindersley, Major Guy M. | Thom, Lt.-Col. J. G. (Dumbarton) |
| Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick) | King, Captain Henry Douglas | Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South) |
| Curzon, Captain Viscount | Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement | Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell- |
| Dalkeith, Earl of | Knox, Sir Alfred | Tinne, J. A. |
| Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset,Yeovil) | Lister, Cunliffe, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip | Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement |
| Davies, Sir Thomas (Cirencester) | Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green, | Turton, Sir Edmund Russborough |
| Davies, Dr. Vernon | Loder, J. de V. | Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P. |
| Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) | Looker, Herbert William | Waddington, R. |
| Dawson, Sir Philip | Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Vere | Warner, Brigadier-General W. W. |
| Dean, Arthur Wellesley | Luce, Major-Gen. Sir Richard Harman | Warrender, Sir Victor |
| Drewe, C. | MacAndrew, Major Charles Glen | Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle) |
| Eden, Captain Anthony | Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (1. of W.) | Wells, S. R. |
| Edmondson, Major A. J. | Macdonald, R. (Glasgow, Cathcart) | Wheler, Major Sir Granville C. H. |
| Edwards, J. Hugh (Accrington) | McLean, Major A. | White, Lieut.-Col. Sir G. Dairymple- |
| Elliot, Major Walter E. | Macnaghten, Hon. Sir Malcolm | Williams, Herbert G. (Reading) |
| Ellis, R. G. | McNeill, Rt. Hon. Ronald John | Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George |
| Elveden, Viscount | MacRobert, Alexander M. | Wise, Sir Fredric |
| Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) | Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel- | Wolmer, Viscount |
| Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith | Makins, Brigadier-General E. | Wood, B. C. (Somerset, Bridgwater) |
| Evans, Captain A. (Cardiff, South) | Malone, Major P. B. | Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'dge & Hyde) |
| Everard, W. Lindsay | Marriott, Sir J. A. R. | Wood, Sir Kingsley (Woolwich, W.) |
| Faile, Sir Bertram G. | Meller, R. J. | Wood, Sir S. Hill. (High Peak) |
| Fielden, E. B. | Meyer, Sir Frank | Woodcock, Colonel H. C. |
| Ford, Sir P. J. | Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) | Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L. |
| Forestier-Walker, Sir L. | Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M. | Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T. |
| Foster, Sir Harry S. | Moore, Lieut.-Col. T. C. R. (Ayr) | Young, Rt. Hon. Hilton (Norwich) |
| Foxcroft, Captain C. T. | Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C. | |
| Fraser, Captain Ian | Morrison. H. (Wilts, Salisbury) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
| Frece, Sir Walter de | Murchison, C. K. | Captain Bowyer and Captain Margesson. |
| Galbraith, J. F. W. | Neville, R. J. |
§ Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTERI beg to move, in page 1, line 10, after the word "trader," to insert the words, "or the name of any place or district."
This carries out the undertaking which I gave in Committee. It was strongly urged in Committee that one should not 84 only say that it should be unlawful to place an English name or trade mark on a foreign article, but that to put the name of any English place without an indication of origin was just as likely to mislead. For instance, the case of Ayles-bury butter was quoted. Some butter, 85 so called, it was alleged, was not butter made in this country at all. There is nothing in this Clause which says that you are to mark the goods, but if you do mark them, and do so with the name of an English place or town, that is bound to convey the impression that the goods are English. Therefore, I think the Committee were quite right in inviting me to move this Amendment on the Report stage.
§ Mr. WEBBI do not rise to oppose the Amendment, but merely to ask the consideration of the right hon. Gentleman in regard to the drafting. The Clause, with this Amendment, will read:
the name or trade mark of any manufacturer, dealer, or trader, or the name of any place or district in the United Kingdom, not being goods produced or wholly or mainly manufactured therein, unless the name or trade mark is accompanied by an indication of origin.Supposing I am enterprising enough to set up a factory in London, Ontario, for instance, and pack my goods and put my own name on to them, and the place where they were manufactured namely, London. Am I required, by the Clause as it will now stand, to accompany the name or trade mark by an indication of origin? have given an indication of origin and stated the place where the goods are made. Will the right hon. Gentleman take this point into consideration between now and the Bill reaching another place? There is also a further difficulty. Supposing it was "London, Ontario," and that would not do; what ought one to add? I am not quite sure what the indication of origin is to be when actually the place of manufacture is given. The difficulty then arises, what is the name of the country, and whether it should be Ontario or Canada.
§ Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTERClause 9 gives a definition of "indication of origin." It says that the words "Empire manufacture" or "Foreign manufacture" are to be introduced. I propose to agree to an Amendment later on to accept the word "Empire."
§ Mr. WEBBThe right hon. Gentleman satisfies me, though whether he will satisfy his Department I do not know. Would it be sufficient, in my case, if I said, "Manufactured by Webb and Company, London, British Empire," or 86 "London, Empire"? I am not quite sure whether that is right. This is a point the right hon. Gentleman ought to consider. Another question arises with regard to Canterbury lamb. That was talked about in Committee, and I understand that that matter will be met in the next Sub-section.
§ Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTERYes.
§ Mr. WEBBThe Board of Trade will take steps to allow Canterbury lamb to come in without any indication of origin. I think the right hon. Gentleman ought to consider how he will make known the directions to be given in regard to this matter.
§ Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTERThere is an Amendment a little later on, standing in the name of the hon. Member for South-West Bethnal Green (Mr. Harris), which I propose to accept, in a slightly modified form, so as to bring the wording into line with the rest of the Bill.
§ Mr. H. WILLIAMSI want to thank the President of the Board of Trade for the Amendment. In Committee, upstairs, I raised this point, which is one of some substance. In my own commercial experience I have known a number of cases where foreign manufacturers of machine-toofs have cast, on the bases of those toofs, the names of towns in England which are well known as centres of the machine toof industry. The object, quite clearly, was to deceive purchasers into thinking that they were buying British goods. I am not in the least impressed with the arguments of the right hon. Member for Seaham (Mr. Webb). The only people who will have any difficulty in working this Clause, or any part of the Bill at all, will be those who wish to deceive. Those people who want to sell straight goods will have no difficulty at all.
§ Mr. R. MORRISONThe hon. Member who has just spoken said that this was a point of some substance. I should like to ask the President of the Board of Trade just how much substance there is in this point. Before we pass this Bill through the Report stage every hon. Member should know what it means and what are its implications. I want to put three or four points, in order to get information as to what exactly will be 87 the effect of the Amendment. Take the case of a West End firm—Barker's, Harrod's Stores, or any of those firms. If you go into the West End of London to-day, you will see a thousand-and-one odd articles in the windows of those firms and they have on them, regardless of where they come from, the words "Barker's, best value, 3s. 11½d." or something of that sort. Will the effect of the Amendment be that Barker's will be committing an offence if they put that on and lead the public to believe that this is a British article? Can the right hon. Gentleman enlighten me on that?
The hon. Member for Reading (Mr. H. Williams) mentioned machine toofs. I will refer to another article of ironmongery. Not very far from where I live a man has a small ironmonger's shop, and does a very good trade in lawn-mowers. I think he gets them from abroad. That is his business. The point is that this little trader, in the Spring, particularly, when everybody is buying lawn-mowers, stamps with a stencil, on the wooden handle of the lawn-mower, his name and address. He has no intention of deceiving anybody, and he knows perfectly well that every one of his customers understands that he does not make the lawn-mower. No one thinks that he does, but he puts on his name and address because he is a sensible business man, and wants to make sure that when the lawn-mower wants sharpening all the purchaser will have to do is to look at the handle and take the mower to his shop. Is the effect of this Amendment going to be that this man will not be allowed to stamp on the handle, "John Smith, Wood Green"?
§ Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTERHe will certainly be able to put his name on the handle, but he will also have to indicate the foreign origin of the lawn-mower.
§ Mr. MORRISONThen he will have to put on, "John Smith, Wood Green; foreign lawn-mower." The other day I was asked, much to my surprise, to receive a deputation of shopkeepers from my constituency, every one of whom not only voted against me at the last election but actively worked against me. They were supporters of the right hon. Gentleman's party, and they asked me to do my best to oppose the Bill and to put 88 these questions. There is an article made in China sold in a jar in London, called "Essence of Ginger." The jar is made in Japan. It is an ornamental jar, and it is a question whether the contents or the jar are worth most. The jam comes from Japan; the ginger comes from China. A well-known British firm, whose name is a household word, but which I will not mention, buy that ginger from China, and put it through some process, and call it "Essence of ginger." They then put it in a Japanese jar, insert a big cork, and stamp their name on it—"So-and-so's Essence of Ginger." They will not be allowed to do that now, I take it. Will they have to put on it in future, "So-and-so's Essence of Ginger. Jar made in Japan. Ginger brought from China"? It is all very well for some of us to laugh, but I am afraid that to the poor unfortunate people who will have to administer the Act it will not be a laughing matter. I can quite see that a good many will have to employ a lawyer or Parliamentary expert in order to make sure that they are keeping within the law.
Here is an 'article I got in this House to-day—a tooth-pick from the Members' Dining Room. It says "Sterilised toothpick. Paris and London." Surely here is deception and misrepresentation, and attempted fraud on the public. Is it intended to make Members of the House who pick their teeth with this tooth-pick believe that this tooth-pick is made in London? I do not know whether it is made in London or Paris, but ever since I have been a Member these tooth-picks have been served out by waiters in the Members' Dining Room. What is going to happen to this poor unfortunate little article? Is it to be an offence, or are these people, who have, perhaps, millions in stock, to change all their methods, in order to put on exactly where the toothpick is made. And what is going to happen if the tooth-pick is made in Paris, but the paper covering is made in London?
§ Mr. DEPUTY-SPEAKER (Captain FitzRoy)It does seem to me to have something to do with this Amendment.
§ Mr. MORRISONI do not think there has been a speech delivered this afternoon so germane to the actual Amendment as the one I am endeavouring to make. Perhaps the President of the Board of Trade or the Parliamentary Secretary could enlighten me on these points: first of all, whether it is going to prevent a West End firm such as Barker's putting on an article "Splendid value, 4s. 10½d." or would they have to say in addition "Foreign Manufacture." Would it be necessary on a lawn mower to put in addition to "John Jones, Wood Green," the words "Foreign Manufacture"? Thirdly, how on earth are we going to deal with the problem I have raised in the case of the essence of ginger? I might have carried this case a stage further. As a matter of fact, this does actually happen to-day. I have mentioned the case of the ornamental jar being made in Japan, the ginger coming from China, and being treated by a certain process in London, and called "Essence of Ginger." When that jar finds its way into the West End of London, it has a ticket in front, "Harrods, special value" or something like that. How are you going to sort out all these complications, and protect the honest shopkeeper?
§ Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTERThe answer to the first two parts of the question is in the affirmative. The answer to the third question is that it depends on what is implied. But if it should be a difficult case, where the special circumstances of the trade make it desirable, as I pointed out, like the case of Canterbury Lamb, if there is a good case made out, there is power to exempt.
§ Amendment agreed to.
§ Further Amendment made: In page 1, line 11, leave out from the word "Kingdom" to the word "unless" in line 12.—[Sir P. Cunliffe-Lister.)
§ The following Amendment stood On the Order Paper in the name of Mr. HARRIS:
§
In page 2, line 13, at the end, insert the words
Every such direction, together with a schedule specifying the goods or class or description of goods to which the direction relates shall be published in the London, Edinburgh, and Belfast' Gazettes and the Board of Trade Journal,' and in such other manner as the Board of Trade may deem suitable.
§ Mr. HARRISI do not know whether the right hon. Gentleman is prepared to accept the Amendment in this form?
§ Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTERI will gladly accept it if it be brought into line with the other part of the Bill, so as to read:
Every such direction shall be published in the London, Edinburgh, and Belfast Gazettes, and in such other manner as the Board of Trade may deem suitable.
§ Mr. HARRISI beg to move, in page 2, line 13, at the end, to insert the words
Every such direction shall be published in the London, Edinburgh, and Belfast Gazettes, and in such other manner as the Board of Trade may deem suitable.
§ Sir R. HAMILTONI beg to second the Amendment.
§ Mr. MORRISONDoes that mean that it would be published in the trade journals?
§ Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTERThere would be no objection to any journal copying this. Presumably most will copy what is material, as they do at present.
§ Amendment agreed to.
§ Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTERI beg to move, in page 2, line 14, at the beginning, to insert the words
This Section shall not have effect in respect of the application of a name or trade mark to.This Amendment and the next are really drafting Amendments. The object is to make plain the intention of what was done in Committee, and to show that in granting exemption we are limiting it to those cases of coverings, wrappings, and such things, which are either made to the order of the manufacturer or made with his approval.
§ Miss LAWRENCEWe are now getting into the thick of the complications. This raises the question of what is to happen to containers, the making of which is a very important trade. If the container contains the goods of a British maker, such as safety pins or chocolates, and the boxes come from abroad, they need not he marked "Made abroad." But supposing the retailer fills English boxes with a handful of little foreign-made fancy articles, safety pine or such like, then the containers will contain foreign goods, and must be marked "Made abroad," although the container generally is far 91 more valuable than the goods enclosed. The Christmas trade is coming on, and you will see multitudes of beautiful and ingenious boxes made in this country, containing a quantity of little haberdashery goods, less valuable than the boxes, which people clearly buy for the sake of the box, and not for the sake of the goods inside. If I am a manufacturer in the Commercial Road, and make Christmas boxes and send them to the shops, and someone puts in safety pins from abroad, the thing has got to be marked on the container, because you cannot possibly mark these little goods themselves. Supposing I am a Birmingham manufacturer making safety pins, and I choose to send abroad for a beautiful box to put them in, then they need not be marked at all.
Look at the double effect of this provision, which very seriously penalises English boxmakers against foreign boxmakers. If hon. Members opposite do not see it, the box trade does, and has been besieging Members of the House with the dangers of this Bill, and expressing considerable alarm. It is really a great shame that the boxmakers in
§ London should be prejudiced by the retailers putting into them a-handful of goods made abroad. In that case, the good English box would have to be marked "Made abroad," because it is idle to say that you can mark haberdashery goods. In the other case, where an English manufacturer provides himself with containers from abroad, in many cases there would be no mark on the container. It is like "Alice in Wonderland," and it would be quite an amusing thing to talk about, if behind this business of containers and haberdashery goods, and so forth, there were not very serious trade interests. The trade is a very great London trade, and the makers of containers are writing and demonstrating against the Bill, pointing out that under this new provision a special favour is being given to foreign boxmakers, and that their own trade may be very seriously damaged. It is one of the most topsy-turvy Clauses of a topsy-turvy Bill.
§ Question put, "That those words be there inserted in the Bill."
§ The House divided: Ayes, 240; Noes, 70.
93| Division No. 468.] | AYES. | [5.46 p.m. |
| Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel | Campbell, E. T. | Evans, Captain A. (Cardiff, South) |
| Agg-Gardner, Rt. Hon. Sir James T | Cautley, Sir Henry S. | Everard, W. Lindsay |
| Albery, Irving James | Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) | Fairfax. Captain J. G. |
| Applin, Colonel R. V. K. | Cayzer. Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth, S.) | Falle, Sir Bertram G. |
| Apsley, Lord | Cazalet, Captain Victor A. | Fielden, E. B. |
| Astbury, Lieut.-Commander F. W. | Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton | Ford, Sir p. J. |
| Astor, Viscountess | Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir J. A. (Birm., W.) | Forestier-Walker, Sir L, |
| Atholl, Duchess of | Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) | Foster, Sir Harry S. |
| Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley | Charteris, Brigadier-General J. | Foxcroft, Captain C. T. |
| Balniel, Lord | Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer | Fraser, Captain Ian |
| Barclay-Harvey, C. M. | Clayton, G. C. | Frece, Sir Walter de |
| Barnett, Major Sir Richard | Cobb. Sir Cyril | Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. |
| Beckett, Sir Gervase (Leeds, N.) | Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. | Galbraith, J. F. W. |
| Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W. | Cockerill, Brig.-General Sir G. K. | Ganzoni, sir John |
| Benn, Sir A, S. (Plymouth, Drake) | Conway, Sir W. Martin | Gates, Percy |
| Bennett, A. J. | Cope, Major William | Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John |
| Berry, Sir George | Craik. Rt. Hon. Sir Henry | Glyn, Major R. G. C. |
| Betterton, Henry B. | Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. | Goff, Sir Park |
| Birchall. Major J. Dearman | Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) | Gower, Sir Robert |
| Bird, E. R. (Yorks, W. R., Skipton) | Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick) | Grace, John |
| Blades, Sir George Rowland | Curzon, Captain viscount | Graham, Frederick F. (Cumb'ld., N.) |
| Blundell, F. N. | Dalkeith, Earl of | Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. |
| Boothby, R. J. G. | Davidson, J. (Hertf'd, Hemel Hempst'd) | Greene, W. p. Crawford |
| Bourne, Captain Robert Croft | Davies, Maj. Geo, F. (Somerset, Yeovil) | Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E. |
| Bowater, Colonel Sir T. Vansittart | Davies, Sir Thomas (Cirencester) | Gunston, Captain D. W. |
| Brass, Captain W. | Davies, Dr. Vernon | Hacking, Captain Douglas H. |
| Brassey, Sir Leonard | Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) | Hall, Vice-Admiral Sir R.(Eastbourne) |
| Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive | Dawson. Sir Philip | Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent) |
| Briggs, J. Harold | Dean, Arthur Wellesley | Harrison, G. J. C. |
| Brocklebank, C. E. R. | Drewe, C. | Hartington, Marquess of |
| Broun-Lindsay, Major H. | Eden, Captain Anthony | Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) |
| Brown, Brig.-Gen.H.C. (Berks, Newb'y) | Edmondson, Major A. J. | Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) |
| Buckingham, Sir H. | Edwards, J. Hugh (Accrington) | Haslam, Henry C. |
| Bullock, Captain M. | Elliot, Major Walter E. | Hawke, John Anthony |
| Burman J. B. | Ellis, R. G. | Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M. |
| Burton, Colonel H. W. | Elveden, viscount | Henderson, Lieut.-Col. V L. (Bootle) |
| Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward | Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) | Heneage, Lieut.-Col. Arthur P. |
| Calne. Gordon Hall | Erskine. James Malcolm Monteith | Hennessy, Major J. R. G. |
| Herbert, S. (York, N.R., Scar. & Wh'by) | Meyer, Sir Frank | Spender-Clay, Colonel H. |
| Hills, Major John Walter | Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) | Sprot, Sir Alexander |
| Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. | Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M. | Stanley, Col. Hon. G. F. (Will'sden, E.) |
| Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D.(St. Marylebone) | Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) | Stanley, Lord (Fylde) |
| Hope, Sir Harry (Forfar) | Maore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C | Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westm'eland) |
| Hopkinson, Sir A. (Eng. Universities) | Morrison, H. (Wilts, Salisbury) | Storry-Deans, R. |
| Hore-Belisha, Leslie | Murchison, C. K. | Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H. |
| Horne, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert S. | Neville, R. J. | Streatfield, Captain S. R. |
| Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) | Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) | Stuart, Crichton-, Lord C. |
| Hudson, R. S. (Cumberland, Whiteh'n) | Nicholson, O. (Westminster) | Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser |
| Hume, Sir G. H. | Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William | Sugden, Sir Wilfrid |
| Hume-Williams, Sir W. Ellis | Penny, Frederick George | Thom, Lt.-Col. J. G. (Dumbarton) |
| Hurd, Percy A. | Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) | Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South) |
| Hurst, Gerald B. | Perkins, Colonel E. K. | Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell- |
| Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. | Perring, Sir William George | Tinne, J. A. |
| James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert | Peto, Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) | Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement |
| Jephcott, A. R. | Philipson, Mabel | Turton, Sir Edmund Rossborough |
| Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) | Pilditch, Sir Philip | Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P. |
| Joynson-Hicks, Rt. Hon. Sir William | Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel sir Assheton | Waddington, R. |
| Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) | Price, Major C. W. M. | Warner, Brigadier-General W. W. |
| Kindersley, Major Guy M. | Raine, W. | Warrender, Sir Victor |
| King, Captain Henry Douglas | Ramsden, E. | Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle) |
| Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement | Reid, Capt. A. S. C. (Warrington) | Wells, S. R. |
| Knox, Sir Alfred | Reid, D. D. (County Down) | Wheler, Major Sir Granville C. H. |
| Lister, Cunliffe-, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip | Remer, J. R. | White, Lieut.-Col. Sir G. Dairymple- |
| Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green) | Remnant, Sir James | Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay) |
| Locker-Lampson, Com. O. (Handsw'th) | Rentoul, G. S. | Williams, C. P. (Denbigh, Wrexham) |
| Loder, J. de V. | Rhys, Hon. C. A. U. | Williams, Herbert G. (Reading) |
| Looker, Herbert William | Rice, Sir Frederick | Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George |
| Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Vere | Richardson. Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y) | Wise, Sir Fredric |
| Luce, Major-Gen. Sir Richard Harman | Ropner, Major L. | Withers, John James |
| MacAndrew, Major Charles Glen | Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) | Wolmer, Viscount |
| Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) | Rye, F. G. | Wood, B. C. (Somerset, Bridgwater) |
| Macdonald, R. (Glasgow, Cathcart) | Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) | Wood, E. (Chester, Staly'b'ge & Hyde) |
| McLean, Major A. | Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney) | Wood, Sir Kingsley (Woolwich, W.), |
| McNeill, Rt. Hon. Ronald John | Sandeman, A. Stewart | Wood, Sir S. Hill- (High Peak) |
| Macquisten, F. A. | Sandon, Lord | Woodcock, Colonel H. C. |
| Mac Robert, Alexander M. | Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D. | Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L. |
| Maitland, Sir Arthur D. steel- | Savery, S. S. | Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T. |
| Makins, Brigadier-General E. | Sheffield. Sir Berkeley | Young, Rt. Hon. Hilton (Norwich) |
| Malone, Major P. B. | Smith, R. w.(Aberd"n & Kinc'dine, 'C.) | |
| Marriott, Sir J. A. R. | Smithers. Waldron | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— |
| Meller, R. J. | Somerville, A. A. (Windsor) | Captain Margesson and Captain Bowyer. |
| NOES. | ||
| Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) | Groves, T. | Potts, John S. |
| Attlee, Clement Richard | Grundy, T. W. | Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) |
| Baker, J. (Wolverhampton, Bilston) | Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) | Robinson, W.C. (Yorks, W. R., Elland) |
| Baker, Walter | Hardie, George D. | Salter, Dr. Alfred |
| Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) | Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon | Scrymgeour, E. |
| Barr, J. | Hayday, Arthur | Scurr, John |
| Batey, Joseph | Hayes, John Henry | Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) |
| Briant, Frank | Henderson, T. (Glasgow) | Sinclair, Major Sir A. (Caithness) |
| Bromley, J. | Hirst, G. H. | Slesser, Sir Henry H. |
| Charleton, H. C. | Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) | Smith, H. B. Lees (Keighley) |
| Cluse, W. S. | Kelly, W. T. | Smith, Rennie (Penistone) |
| Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. | Kennedy, T. | Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip |
| Compton, Joseph | Lansbury, George | Thurtle, Ernest |
| Connolly, M. | Lawrence, Susan | Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. C. P. |
| Cove, W. G. | Lee, F. | Wallhead, Richard C. |
| Dalton. Hugh | Lowth, T. | Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda) |
| Davison, J, E. (Smethwick) | Lunn, William | Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney |
| Day, Colonel Harry | March, S. | Whiteley, W. |
| Dennison, R. | Montague, Frederick | Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe) |
| Duncan, C. | Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham. N.) | Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow) |
| Gardner, J. P. | Naylor, T. E. | Windsor, Walter |
| Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.) | Oliver, George Harold | Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton) |
| Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) | Paling, W. | |
| Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) | Ponsonby, Arthur | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
| Mr. A. Barnes and Mr. B. Smith. |
§ Further Amendment made:
§
In page 2, line 18, leave out from the word "sale" to the second word "the" in line 21, and insert instead thereof the words
if the name or mark so applied is the name or trade mark of a manufacturer of
94
or of a dealer or trader in those goods in the United Kingdom and." —[Sir P. Clinliffe-Lister.]
§ Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTERI beg to move, in page 2, line 23, after the word "Section," to insert the words "(except Sub-section (3) thereof)."
95 This is a drafting Amendment, inserted in order to make sure that the power to exempt shall be exercisable at once, although the rest of the Clause does not come into operation for six months. It seeks to do the same thing as an Amendment standing in the name of the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Seaham (Mr. Webb).
§ Amendment agreed to.
§ Mr. BARNESI beg to move, in page 2, line 24, to leave out the word "six," and to insert instead thereof the word "twelve."
I think this Amendment is necessary in view of the fact that the President of the Board of Trade has refused to accept any of the modifications submitted in previous Amendments. It aims at dealing with the difficulties in regard to stocks in hand. The Clause as it stands provides for six months' notice after the passing of the Act. It must be obvious to hon. Members that six months will not be sufficient for certain trades and industries, particularly dealers in hardware, whose stocks are often carried forward from one year to another. If the difficulties of this Clause to traders generally are not to be emphasised in the case of those dealing in the classes of goods which I have indicated, the period of six months ought to be extended to 12 months. This question does not concern only hardware firms, furnishing firms and others of that class, but, as the Member for North Tottenham (Mr R. Morrison) has shown on an earlier Amendment, a large variety of goods handled by departmental stores and multiple shop traders might also be affected. For example, certain foods sold in glass containers are often carried forward from one half-year to another, and it would meet the convenience of the trade if the President could see his way to extend the period. While Clause 4, Sub-section (2) provides for retrospective application as regards goods which have been made the subject of an inquiry, the President insisted on retaining the application of this Clause to goods distributed by way of advertisement; I do not think such goods are covered by that provision. We sincerely hoped the President would give way to the arguments we advanced with regard to goods distributed free as adver- 96 tisement, but as he adhering to these particular words in the Bill it is more than ever essential that the period should be extended to six months.
§ Mr. MORRISONI beg to second the Amendment.
6.0 p.m.
I would appeal to the President of the Board of Trade to accept this reasonable proposal. He, as well as every other Member on the other side of the House, knows perfectly well that this Bill will be somewhat difficult to understand, and that a good many of the retailers who come under it will have some difficulty in understanding the full implications of it. Six months is a very short period in regard to a question like this. I took the opportunity not long ago of putting before the right hon. Gentleman certain difficulties which retailers will experience under this Bill. My main point is that I want to tempt the President of the Board of Trade to grant the small concession which is asked for in this Amendment. I would like to remind the House that this Bill received its Second Reading at a time when it was impossible that it could receive proper attention at the hands of the people who will be so much affected by it, because the Second Reading was considered and the Measure was introduced at the time of the General Strike. Taking that into consideration, and the fact that when the Measure was first introduced it dealt only with foodstuffs, I think we are justified in pressing this Amendment. The scope of this Measure has now been widened to include a great many other articles.
§ Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTERThat is not so. As a matter of fact, this Clause has been narrowed down.
§ Mr. MORRISONjust now the President of the Board of Trade moved an Amendment which certainly widened the application of this Bill considerably. My final point is that we are now within a week or two of Christmas and shopkeepers and traders have already got their supplies in for Christmas. This Measure will not come into operation for another six months. We all know perfectly well that there are a great many hardware goods and ironmongery for sale as Christmas goods intended to be sold only at Christmas time, and if they are not sold at Christmas the shop- 97 keepers know that the best thing they can do is to put them away until the following Christmas season and then try to get rid of them. If the President of the Board of Trade is going to stand by this six months proposal, it means that, taking into consideration the fact that it does not look like being a, Merry Christmas but a rather gloomy one, the shopkeepers may have a large amount of hardware stock which they will have to carry over to the following Christmas. Then this Bill will probably have become an Act of Parliament, and if those shopkeepers attempt to sell those particular goods they will find themselves subject to the penalties imposed by this Measure I do not think it is an unreasonable thing to ask under these circumstances for the extension of the period from six months to twelve months.
§ Sir WILLIAM PERRINGLike the hon. Member who has just spoken, I am authorised to speak on behalf of the organised distributing trades, and they have no desire that this Amendment should be passed. I find much difficulty in understanding the argument as to the difficulties in which the retail traders will be placed by this proposal in the Bill From what has been said one might assume that these goods which are going to be left over at Christmas time will have to be scrapped, or burned, or done away with, but as a matter of fact all the trader has got to do is to mark them of foreign origin, and then he can go on selling them as long as he likes. Speaking on behalf of the retail distributing trades, I hope the President of the Board of Trade will not accept this Amendment.
§ Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTERWe have had a convincing reply to this Amendment from the hon. Member opposite who has just seconded this proposal, and who seems to have really lost sight of what we are dealing with in this particular Clause. The Clause in the Bill, as drafted, was to have come into force on its enactment, and we have accepted six months as the period which is most convenient. I am told that that period is not long enough, but observe the length of the notice which we have given. It is said that people have been taken by surprise on this point, but observe the actual length of the notice which has been given. This Measure was introduced in 98 May last. This particular Clause went to Committee, and was discussed for a very long time, and it will not become law until next month. Consequently, there has been full notice given to everybody concerned, and they have had already a notice running between May and December, and we are going to give six months' further notice in respect of a Clause which merely says that if you are selling foreign goods under a misleading description you must put on a correcting mark, and six months' notice, I think, is as much as anyone can reasonably ask for.
§ Mr. HARRISWe have plenty of support on this question, because we have received Resolutions against this Clause from the London and Manchester Chambers of Commerce, and practically everyone engaged in trade throughout the country. Those Resolutions have made it quite clear that this Clause and this Bill will seriously interfere with trade and upset business. We have just gone through a period of very serious trade depression during which a large number of men have been out of work in the coal trade. In the North of England in particular Co-operative Stores and wholesale dealers have found trade brought almost to a standstill. The purchasing power of the public has very largely decreased and stocks have been inflated. The result will be that when this Bill comes into operation retailers will find that their large stocks will take a considerable time to get rid of.
The President of the Board of Trade says this Bill has had considerable publicity, but I would remind him that it received its Second Reading on the day the. General Strike was brought to a close at a time when the newspapers had not got into circulation again. If the public had received due warning, and if this Bill had not been pushed through at a time of great inconvenience to the general public, the opposition to it would have been much more considerable, and the right hon. Gentleman would have had to make even more Amendments than the pressure of public opinion has forced him to make. Therefore, I think it is not unreasonable to ask that both wholesalers and retailers generally should be given a reasonable time to dispose of their stocks, so that after a severe trade depression they will not be subjected 99 to the additional loss of having to destroy their goods or go to the expense of branding them. The Chancellor of the Exchequer will find that the traders will have reduced profits owing to the disorganisation of trade due to the coal stoppage during the last six months, and now on the top of all that there comes this stupid Bill which will put additional burdens upon
§ them. If you are going to pass a Measure of this kind surely the traders should have reasonable notice, and I contend that 12 months is not too much notice, because by that time the traders will have had a chance of disposing of their stocks without loss.
§ Question put, "That the word 'six' stand part of the Bill."
§ The House divided: Ayes, 238; Noes, 78.
101| Division No. 469.] | AYES. | [6.13 p.m. |
| Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel | Drewe, C. | Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement |
| Albery, Irving James | Eden, Captain Anthony | Knox, Sir Alfred |
| Applin, Colonel R. V. K. | Edmondson, Major A. J. | Lister, Cunliffe, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip |
| Apsley, Lord | Edwards, J. Hugh (Accrington) | Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green) |
| Astbury, Lieut.-Commander F. W. | Elliot, Major Walter E. | Locker-Lampson, Com. O.(Handsw'th) |
| Astor, Viscountess | Ellis, R. G. | Loder, J. de V. |
| Atholl, Duchess of | Elveden, Viscount | Looker, Herbert William |
| Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley | Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s-M.) | Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Vere |
| Balfour, George (Hampstead) | Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith | Luce, Maj.-Gen. Sir Richard Harman |
| Balniel, Lord | Evans, Captain A. (Cardiff, South) | MacAndrew, Major Charles Glen |
| Barclay-Harvey, C. M. | Everard, W. Lindsay | Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) |
| Barnett, Major Sir Richard | Fairfax, Captain J. G. | Macdonald, R. (Glasgow, Cathcart) |
| Beckett, Sir Gervase (Leeds, N.) | Fade, Sir Bertram G. | McLean, Major A. |
| Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W. | Fielden, E. B. | Macnaghten, Hon. Sir Malcolm |
| Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) | Ford, Sir P. J. | McNeill, Rt. Hon. Ronald John |
| Bennett, A. J. | Forestier-Walker, Sir L. | Macquisten, F. A. |
| Berry, Sir George | Foster, Sir Harry S | MacRobert, Alexander M. |
| Betterton, Henry B. | Foxcroft, Captain C. T. | Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel- |
| Birchall, Major J. Dearman | Frece, Sir Walter de | Makins, Brigadier-General E. |
| Bird, E. R. (Yorks, W. R., Skipton) | Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. | Malone, Major P. B. |
| Blundell, F. N. | Galbraith, J. F. W. | Margesson, Captain D. |
| Boothby, R. J. G. | Ganzoni, Sir John | Marriott, Sir J. A. R. |
| Bourne, Captain Robert Croft. | Gates, Percy | Meller, R. J. |
| Bowater, Colonel Sir T. Vansittart | Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John | Meyer, Sir Frank |
| Brass, Captain W. | Goff Sir Park | Mitchell, W. Foot (Saffron Walden) |
| Brassey, Sir Leonard | Gower, Sir Robert | Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) |
| Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive | Grace, John | Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M. |
| Briggs, J. Harold | Graham, Frederick F. (Cumbid., N.) | Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) |
| Brocklebank, C. E. R. | Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. | Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C. |
| Broun-Lindsay, Major H. | Greene, W. P. Crawford | Morrison, H. (Wilts, Salisbury) |
| Brown, Brig. -Gen. H.C. (Berks, Newb'y) | Grenfell, Edward C. (City of London) | Murchison, C. K. |
| Buckingham, Sir H. | Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E. | Neville, R. J |
| Bullock, Captain M. | Gunston, Captain D. W. | Newman, sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) |
| Burman, J. B. | Hacking, Captain Douglas H. | Nicholson. O. (Westminster) |
| Burton, Colonel H. W. | Hall, Vice-Admiral Sir R. (Eastbourne) | Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William |
| Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward | Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent) | Penny, Frederick George |
| Caine, Gordon Hall | Harrison, G. J. C. | Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) |
| Campbell, E. T. | Hartington, Marquess of | Perkins, Colonel E. K. |
| Cautley, Sir Henry S. | Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) | Perring, Sir William George |
| Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) | Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) | Peto, Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) |
| Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth, S.) | Hasl[...]m, Henry C. | Philipson, Mabel |
| Cazalet, Captain Victor A. | Hawke. John Anthony | Pilditch, Sir Philip |
| Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton | Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M. | Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Assheton |
| Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) | Henderson, Lieut.-Col. V. L. (Bootle) | Price, Major C. W. M. |
| Charteris, Brigadier-General J. | Heneage, Lieut.-Col. Arthur P. | Raine, W. |
| Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer | Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) | Ramsden, E. |
| Clarry, Reginald George | Herbert, S. (York, N. R. Scar. & Wh'by) | Reid, Capt. A. S. C. (Warrington) |
| Clayton, G. C. | Hills, Major John Waller | Reid, D. D. (County Down) |
| Cobb, Sir Cyril | Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon, Sir S. J. G. | Remer. J. R. |
| Cockerill, Brig.-General Sir G. K. | Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D. (St. Marylebone) | Remnant, Sir James |
| Conway, Sir W. Martin | Hope, Sir Harry (Forfar) | Rentoul, G. S. |
| Cope, Major William | Hopkinson, Sir A. (Eng. Universities) | Rhys, Hon. C. A. U. |
| Cowan, Sir Wm. Henry (Islingtn., N.) | Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) | Rice, Sir Frederick |
| Craik, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry | Hudson, R.S. (Cumberl'nd, Whiteh'n) | Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y) |
| Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. | Hume-Williams, Sir W. Ellis | Ropner, Major L. |
| Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) | Hurd, Percy A. | Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) |
| Crookshank. Col. C. de W. (Berwick) | Hurst, Gerald. B. | Rye, F. G. |
| Curzon, Captain Viscount | Hiffe, Sir Edward M. | Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) |
| Davidson, J. (Hertf'd, Hemel Hempst'd) | Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. | Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney) |
| Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil) | James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon, Cuthbert | Sandeman, A. Stewart |
| Davies, Sir Thomas (Cirencester) | Jephcott, A. R. | Sandon, Lord |
| Davies, Dr. Vernon | Joynson-Hicks, Rt. Hon. Sir William | Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D |
| Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) | Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) | Savery, S. S. |
| Dawson, Sir Philip | Kindersley, Major Guy M. | Shaw, Capt. Walter (Wilts, Westb'y) |
| Dean, Arthur Wellesley | King, Captain Henry Douglas | Sheffield, Sir Berkeley |
| Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.) | Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell- | Wise, Sir Fredric |
| Smithers, Waldron | Tinne, J. A. | Withers, John James |
| Somerville, A. A. (Windsor) | Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement | Wolmer, Viscount |
| Spender-Clay, Colonel H. | Turton, Sir Edmund Russborough | Wood, B. C. (Somerset, Bridgwater) |
| Sprot, Sir Alexander | Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P. | Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'ge & Hyde) |
| Stanley. Col. Hon. G. F.(Will'sden, E.) | Waddington, R. | Wood, Sir Kingsley (Woolwich, W.) |
| Stanley, Lord (Fylde) | Warner, Brigadier-General W. W. | Wood, Sir S. Hill- (High Peak) |
| Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westm'eland) | Warrender, Sir Victor | Woodcock, Colonel H. C. |
| Storry, Deans, R. | Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle) | Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L. |
| Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H. | Watts, Dr. T. | Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T. |
| Streatfield, Captain S. R. | Wells, S. R. | Young, Rt. Hon. Hilton (Norwich) |
| Stuart, Crichton-, Lord C. | Wheler, Major Sir Granville C. H. | |
| Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser | White, Lieut.-Col. Sir G. Dairymple- | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— |
| Sugden, Sir Wilfrid | Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay) | Major Hennessy and Captain Bowyer. |
| Thorn, Lt.-Col. J. G. (Dumbarton) | Williams, Herbert G. (Reading) | |
| Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South) | Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George | |
| NOES. | ||
| Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) | Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) | Richardson, R, (Houghton-le-Spring) |
| Attlee, Clement Richard | Hardie, George D. | Robinson, W. C (Yorks, W. R., Elland) |
| Baker, J. (Wolverhampton, Bilston) | Harris, Percy A. | Salter, Dr. Alfred |
| Baker, Walter | Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon | Scrymgeour, E. |
| Barker, G, (Monmouth, Abertillery) | Hayday, Arthur | Scurr, John |
| Barnes, A. | Hayes, John Henry | Short, Alfred (Wednesday) |
| Barr, J. | Hirst, G. H. | Sinclair, Major Sir A. (Caithness) |
| Batey, Joseph | Hore-Belisha, Leslie | Slesser, Sir Henry H. |
| Briant, Frank | Hutchison, Sir Robert (Montrose) | Smith, H. B. Lees (Keighley) |
| Bromley, J | Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) | Smith, Rennie (Penistone) |
| Charleton, H. C. | Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) | Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip |
| Cluse, W. S. | Kelly, W. T. | Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby) |
| Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. | Kennedy, T. | Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.) |
| Compton, Joseph | Lansbury, George | Thurtle, Ernest |
| Connolly, M. | Lawrence, Susan | Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. C. P. |
| Cove, W. G. | Lee, F. | Wallhead, Richard C. |
| Dalton, Hugh | Lowth, T. | Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda) |
| Day, Colonel Harry | Lunn, William | Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney |
| Dennison, R. | March, S. | Whiteley, W. |
| Duncan, C, | Montague, Frederick | Williams, C. P. (Denbigh, Wrexham) |
| Gosling, Harry | Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) | Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe) |
| Graham, Rt. Hon-Wm. (Edin., Cent.) | Naylor, T. E. | Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow) |
| Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) | Oliver, George Harold | Windsor, Walter |
| Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) | Owen, Major G. | Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton) |
| Groves, T. | Paling, W. | |
| Grundy, T. W. | Ponsonby, Arthur | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
| Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) | Potts, John S. | Mr. B. Smith and Mr. T. Henderson. |
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