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the Government has seen fit to introduce this provision, because that knowledge is so important in mining. Without being a prophet or a son of a prophet, I can see many coal mine explosions with heavy loss of life as a result of bringing in these paper-educated men. In coal mining one must have personal knowledge of what is meant by running a coal mine. One cannot get that at a university, no matter how much a man may know of pressure of air, and of gas in every form in which it may be found. When it comes to the practical side, one must know the conditions that apply in the actual getting of coal, and especially of the human relation, in which practical experience can alone assist one. This Bill, instead of being a reorganisation of the industry, cannot claim to be any reorganisation at all. There is nothing in the Bill that calls upon anyone to do anything. It is simply a permissive Bill and it makes one sad to think that to-day, when the whole of our wealth and the foundation of our industry is in such a state, all that the brains of this majority of 200 can produce is something that resembles an invitation to a dance.

Question put, "That the word "now" stand part of the Question."

The House divided: Ayes, 312; Noes, 125.

Division No. 407.] AYES [11.13 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Brocklebank, C. E. R. Cope, Major William
Agg-Gardner, Rt. Hon. Sir James T. Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. Courthope, Lieut.-Col. Sir George L.
Alnsworth, Major Charles Broun-Lindsay, Major H. Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H.
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'I'd., Hexham) Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend)
Allen, J. Sandeman (L'pool, W. Derby) Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. Bergs, Newb'y) Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick)
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M S. Bull, Rt. Hon. Sir William James Crookshank, Cpt. H.(Lindsey, Gainsbro)
Applin, Colonel R. V. K. Bullock, Captain M. Cunliffe, Sir Herbert
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Burman, J. B. Curtis-Bennett, Sir Henry
Astor, Maj. Hon. John J.(Kent, Dover) Burney, Lieut.-Com. Charles D. Curzon, Captain Viscount
Atholl, Duchess of Burton, Colonel H. W. Davidson, J.(Hertf'd, Hemel Hempst'd)
Atkinson, C. Butler, Sir Geoffrey Davidson, Major-General Sir John H
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward Davies, Dr. Vernon
Balfour, George (Hampstead) Calne, Gordon Hall Davies, David (Montgomery)
Balniel, Lord Campbell, E, T. Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil)
Banks, Reginald Mitchell Cassels, J. D. Dawson, Sir Philip
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Dean, Arthur Wellesley
Barnett, Major Sir R. Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth S.) Duckworth, John
Beckett, sir Gervase (Leeds, N.) Cazalet, Captain victor A. Eden, Captain Anthony
Bennett, A. J. Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Edmondson, Major A. J.
Berry, Sir George Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord H. (Ox. Univ.) Elliot, Major Walter E.
Betterton, Henry B. Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton Ellis, R. G.
Birchall, Major J. Dearman Chapman, Sir S. Elveden, Viscount
Bird, Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W.) Charteris, Brigadier-General J. England, Colonel A.
Blundell, F. N. Chilcott, Sir Warden Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston.-s.-M.)
Boothby, R. J. G. Christle, J. A. Evans, Captain A. (Cardiff, South)
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Churchman, Sir Arthur C. Everard, W. Lindsay
Bowater, Sir T. Vansittart Clarry, Reginald George Fairfax, Captain J. G.
Bowyer, Capt. G. E. W. Clayton, G. C. Falle, Sir Bertram G.
Boyd-Carpenter, Major Sir A. B. Cobb, Sir Cyril Fanshawe, Commander G. D.
Braithwaite, A. N. Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Fermoy, Lord
Bridgeman, Rt, Hon. William Clive Cockerill, Brig.-General Sir G. K. Fielden, E. B.
Briggs, J. Harold Colfax, Major Wm. Phillips Ford, Sir P. J.
Briscoe, Richard George Cooper, A. Duff Forestier-Walker, Sir L.
Forrest, W. Loder, J. de V. Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Foster, Sir Harry S. Looker, Herbert William Sandeman, A. Stewart
Foxcroft, Captain C. T. Lord, Walter Greaves Sanders, Sir Robert A.
Fraser, Captain Ian Lougher, L. Sanderson, Sir Frank
Frece, Sir Walter de Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Vere Sandon, Lord
Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. Luce, Major-Gen. Sir Richard Harman Savery, S. S.
Gadie, Lieut.-Col. Anthony MacAndrew, Major Charles Glen Shaw, R. G. (Yorks, W.F., Sowerby)
Galbraith, J. F. W. Macdonald, R. (Glasgow, Cathcart) Shaw, Capt. Walter (Wilts, Westb'y)
Ganzoni, Sir John McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus Sheffield, Sir Berkeley
Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Macintyre, tan Shepperson, E. W.
Glyn, Major R. G. C. McLean, Major A. Simms, Dr. John M. (Co. Down)
Goff, Sir Park Macmillan, Captain H. Skelton, A. N.
Gower, Sir Robert Macnaghton, Hon. Sir Malcolm Slaney, Major P. Kenyon
Grace, John McNeill, Rt. Hon. Ronald John Smith. R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.)
Grant, Sir J A. Macquisten, F. A. Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. MacRobert Alexander M. Smithers, Waldron
Greene, W. P. Crawford Makins, Brigadier-General E. Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Grenfell, Edward C. (City of London) Malone, Major P. B. Spender-Clay, Colonel H.
Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn Sprot, Sir Alexander
Grotrian, H. Brent Margesson, Captain D. Stanley, Col. Hon. G. F. (Will'sden, E)
Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E. Marriott, Sir J. A. R. Stanley, Lord (Fylde)
Gunston, Captain D. W. Merriman, F. B, Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westm'eland)
Hacking, Captain Douglas H. Meyer, Sir Frank Steel, Major Samuel Strang
Hall, Vice-Admiral Sir R. (Eastbourne) Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark) Storry-Deans, R.
Hall, Capt. W. D'A. (Brecon & Rad.) Moles, Thomas Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H.
Hammersley, S. S. Mond, Bt. Hon. Sir Alfred Streatfeild, Captain S. R.
Hanbury, C. Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M. Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Moore, Sir Newton J. Styles, Captain H. Walter
Harland, A. Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Colonel J. C. T. Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser
Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent) Moreing, Captain A. H. Sugden, Sir Wilfrid
Harrison, G. J. C. Morrison, H. (Wilts, Salisbury) Sykes, major-Gen. Sir Frederick H.
Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive Tasker, Major R. Inigo
Hasiam, Henry C. Murchison, C. K. Thom, Lt.-Col. J. G. (Dumbarton)
Hawke, John Anthony Nail, Colonel Sir Joseph Thompson, Luke (Sunderland)
Headiam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M. Nelson, Sir Frank Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Henderson, Capt. R. R. (Oxf'd, Henley) Neville, R. J. Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell-
Henderson, Lieut.-Cot. V. L. (Bootle) Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) Tinne, J. A.
Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge) Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Henn, Sir Sydney H. Nicholson, O. (Westminster) Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Hennessy, Major J. R. G. Nutall, Ellis Turton, Sir Edmund Russborough
Herbert, S. (York, N.R, Scar. & Wh'by) O'Connor, T. J. (Bedford, Luton) Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P.
Hills, Major John Waller O'Neill. Major Rt. Hon. Hugh Waddington, R.
Hilton, Cecil Oman, Sir Charles William C. Wallace, Captain D. E.
Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. Ormsby-Core, Hon. William Warner Brigadier- General W. W.
Holbrook, Sir Arthur Richard Pennefather, Sir John Warrender, Sir Victor
Holland, Sir Arthur Penny, Frederick George Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Hopkins. J. W. W. Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) Watson, Sir F. (Pudsey and Otley)
Horne, Fit. Hon. Sir Robert S. Perkins, Colonel E. K. Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle)
Howard, Captain Hon. Donald Peering, Sir William George Watts, Dr. T.
Hudson, Capt. A. U. M.(Hackney, N) Peto, Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) Wells, S. R.
Hudson, R. S. (Cumberl'nd, Whiteh'n) Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome) White, Lieut.-Col. Sir G. Dairymple
Hume, Sir G. H. Pielou, D. P. Wiggins, William Martin
Huntingfield, Lord Pilcher, G Williams. A. M. (Cornwall, Northern)
Hurd, Percy A. Power, Sir John Cecil Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
Hutchison, G.A. Clark(Midl'n & P'bl's) Preston, William Williams, C. P. (Denbigh, Wrexham)
Illffe, Sir Edward M. Price, Major C. W. M. Williams, Herbert G. (Reading)
Inskin, Sir Thomas Walker H. Radford, E. A. Wilson, R. R. (Stafford, Lichfield)
Jackson, Sir H. (Wandsworth, Cen'l) Raine, W. Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Jacob, A. E. Ramsden, E. Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Jephcott, A. R. Rawson, Sir Cooper Wise, Sir Fredric
Joynson-Hicks, Rt. Hon. Sir William Rees, Sir Beddoe Wormer, Viscount
Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) Ramer, J. R. Womersley, W. J
Kidd, J. (Linlithgow) Rentoul, G. S. Wood, E.(Chest'r.Stalyb'dge & Hyde)
Kindersley, Major G. M. Rhys, Hon. C. A. U. Wood, Sir Kingsley (Woolwich, W.)
King, Captain Henry Douglas Rice, Sir Frederick Woodcock, Colonel H. C.
Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y) Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Knox, Sir Alfred Roberts, E. H. G. (Flint) Wragg, Herbert
Lamb, J. O. Robinson, Sir T. (Lancs., Stretford) Yerburqh, Major Robert D. T.
Lane Fox, Col. Rt. Hon. George R. Ruggles-Brise, Major E. A.
Lister, Cunliffe-, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Little. Dr. E. Graham Rye, F. G. Colonel Gibbs and Major Sir
Lloyd, Cyril E (Dudley) Salmon, Major I. Harry Barnston.
NOES.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R.
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') Bromfield, William Collins, Sir Godfrey (Greenock)
Ammon, Charles George Bromley, J Compton, Joseph
Barnes, A. Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Connolly, M.
Barr. J. Buchanan, G. Cove, W. G.
Batey, Joseph Cape, Thomas Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities)
Beckett, John (Gateshead) Charleton, H. C. Dalton, Hugh
Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith) Clowes, S. Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton)
Bondfield, Margaret Cluse, W. S. Day, Colonel Harry
Dennison, R Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Smith, H. S. Lees- (Keighley)
Duncan, C. Kelly, W. T. Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Dunnico, H. Kennedy, T. Snell, Harry
Fenby, T. D. Lawrence, Susan Stamford, T. W.
Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. Lee, F. Stephen, Campbell
Gardner, J. P. Lunn, William Sullivan, J.
Gibbins, Joseph MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Aberavon) Sutton, J. E.
Gillett, George M. Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan) Taylor, R. A.
Gosling, Harry March, S. Thomas, Rt. Hon, James H. (Derby)
Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) Montague, Fredrick Thomas, Sir Robert John (Anglesey)
Greenall, T. Naylor, T. E. Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.)
Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) Oliver, George Harold Tinker, John Joseph
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Owen, Major G. Townend, A. E.
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Palin, John Henry Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. C. P.
Grundy, T. W. Paling, W. Varley, Frank B.
Guest, Haden (Southwark, N.) Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. Viant, S. P.
Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) Ponsonby, Arthur Wallhead, Richard C.
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Potts, John S. Walsh, Rt. Hon. Stephen
Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) Purcell, A. A. Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Hardie, George D. Richardson, R. (Houghton-le Spring) Watts-Morgan, Lt.- Col. D. (Rhondda)
Harris, Percy A. Riley, Ben Welsh, J. C.
Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon Ritson, J. Westwood, J.
Hayday, Arthur Saklatvala, Shapurji Wheatley, Rt. Hon. J.
Hayes, John Henry Salter, Dr. Alfred Whiteley, W.
Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Burnley) Scrymgeour, E. Wilkinson, Eilen C.
Hirst, G. H. Scurr, John Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Sexton, James Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston) Windsor, Walter
Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Shepherd, Arthur Lewis Wright, W.
John, William (Rhondda, West) Shiels, Dr. Drummond Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Johnston, Thomas (Dundee) Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Smillie, Robert TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe) Mr. Allen Parkinson and Mr.
Charles Edwards.

Bill read the Third time and passed.

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  1. MINING INDUSTRY BILL. 8 words
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    2. CLAUSE. 1.—(Power to prepare amalgamation and absorption schemes.) 248 words
    3. cc1922-61
    4. CLAUSE 2.—(Contents of total amalgamation schemes.) 10,872 words, 1 division
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    6. CLAUSE 7.—(Power of Railway and Canal Commission to confirm schemes.) 136 words
    7. c1962
    8. CLAUSE 10.—(Withdrawal of schemes.) 18 words
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    10. CLAUSE 12.—(Powers of the Board of Trade.) 182 words
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    12. CLAUSE 13 (Amendment of 13 and 14 Geo. 5, c. 20, Part 1.) 724 words
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    22. CLAUSE 20.—(Power of coal-mining companies to establish profit-sharing schemes.) 119 words
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    24. CLAUSE 21.—(Establishment of joint committees for coal mines.) 1,798 words
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