HC Deb 15 February 1926 vol 191 cc1604-25

Motion made, and Question proposed, That a Supplementary sum, not exceeding £3,331, be granted to His Majesty, to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1926, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Office of the Commissioners of His Majesty's Works and Public Buildings.

Mr. W. BAKER

It does not appear to be wise to wait for the Minister to make a statement. One Vote has gone through without discussion because I waited a little too long for the Minister's explanation. I should like some information in regard to this Vote. Under heading "B," Travelling Expenses, the original Estimate was £33,500, an increase of £2,000 over the previous year. In the passage of time that original Estimate has been increased, with the result that an additional £4,000 is required. I have gone into the original Estimate in the hope of ascertaining exactly the division between foreign travel and home travel, on which the sum has been expended, and I regret to say that the original Estimate does not contain even a simple analysis of the £33,500. In discussing a matter of this magnitude, the Committee are entitled to some sort of explanatory statement which would give them some idea how the money is expended, and in what direction. It may very well be that the amount spent is largely for the expenses of architects and other persons going abroad. We were told two or three days ago that an architect went to Helsingsfors in order to report on the Legation there. It may well be that an architect will go to Tokio for a similar purpose. How much money is expended on travelling overseas, and how much is expended on travelling in this country?

There is a further question, in regard to civil pay arrears. The Supplementary Estimate refers to the provision for payment of arrears of civil pay for certain civil servants employed in the Office of Works who served in His Majesty's Forces during the Great War. Has the Treasury yet given the hon. Member's Department a decision on a number of points of interpretation which are still outstanding so far as this judgment of the House of Lords is concerned. I understand that points of interpretation and difficulty are still outstanding, although the case was originally started six or seven years ago. I hope the Financial Secretary to the Treasury will do everything possible in his Department to secure an early settlement of any difficulties which may be receiving the consideration of the Treasury at the moment. It is important that a decision should be expedited, because many months have passed since the last judgment was given, and there seems to be no reason why the whole case should not be settled.

Major KINDERSLEY

With respect to the item for travelling allowances, I gather that this has been partly spent in architects travelling from the Office of Works to supervise the maintenance and repairs of buildings abroad. May I suggest that at a place like Helsingfors there are probably excellent architects, very efficient men. I cannot see why it is necessary to send people out from the Office of Works, instead of employing an architect on the spot who could probably he found to do the work equally well and make an efficient report to the Office of Works.

Mr. GILLETT

In regard to civil pay, I gather from the footnote that the Department had no idea that these claims were coming in, otherwise, I presume, the figure world have been in the original Estimate. Are any more claims of the same kind likely to come in in the future, or is the hon. Member satisfied that this item closes the expense? With respect to travelling expenses, a suggestion has been made, in connection with the economy campaign carried out by certain hon. Members opposite, that officials should be asked to travel third class instead of first class. Seeing that the Minister is asking for more money, I presume that economy has not been put into effect. Is there any intention to do anything on those lines, or is the same procedure as in the past being carried out?

The UNDER-SECRETARY of STATE for FOREIGN AFFAIRS (Mr. G. Locker-Lampson)

This is a very much smaller tote than the last Vote, and I hope we shall get it all the quicker. Hon. Members will be relieved to hear that there is no furniture in this Vote. Perhaps I had better make a general statement in regards to the Vote, because the questions that have been asked will be answered in the statement. Of the £4,000 travelling expenses, £3,000 are in respect of home travelling and £1,000, in respect of foreign travelling. A good part of the expenditure in respect of home travelling is due to the supervision of ancient monuments. The Office of Works is the guardian of most of the ancient monuments throughout the country which have been taken over by the Government. Part of the expense is also due to the fact that during the last year various proposals have been made, some of them by hon. Members in this House, that further monuments should be placed under the guardianship of the Office of Works, or should be transferred to them as their property.

This involves a good deal of travelling. We have inspectors who do this work, and they have to travel about in order to advise the Office of Works. We had a proposal recently from the hon. Member for the Western Isles (Mr. MacKenzie Livingstone) that we should take over some ancient monument in which he was interested. I do not know whether in that case we had to send an inspector, but usually when we get these proposals we have to send inspectors to advise the Office of Works on the subject. There are consultations and surveys, and then a report. During the present year, nine monuments of importance were placed under the guardianship of the Office of Works. I have the names of those monuments, but I will not read them unless hon. Members ask for them. In 10 other cases proposals were made that we should take over the guardianship of monuments, and in each of these cases I think we had to send an inspector to report to the Office of Works. It is extremely difficult, in fact it is impossible to estimate in advance, what proposals are going to be made to the Office of Works on this subject in any year.

Another reason for the increased expenditure is this—I think it will appeal to the hon. Member for Thanet (Mr. Harmsworth)—that a large part is due to the desire of the Department to effect all possible reductions in expenditure. This has involved during the course of the year personal investigations by officers of the Department in regard to the demands made by other Departments for new buildings, maintenance and furniture. Whenever a Department makes a demand for an extra building, or for furniture or maintenance, we do our best to keep expenditure down. We send someone to advise whether the extra expenditure is really necessary. In regard to our own Department, we make a very close investigation into the accommodation for the staff, and of the maintenance of the Office of Works itself. The more insistent the demand for economy, the more insistent the pressure brought to bear upon the Office of Works, the greater necessity there is for investigation, and expenditure on travelling expenses must arise.

I was asked a question about foreign travel. Certain investigations abroad are absolutely necessary in connection with urgent accommodation for the diplomatic and consular services. We take care, whenever we can, to use expert local advice, but in certain cases it is not possible to get such advice. Of this £1,000 spent abroad, £500 was spent in sending an inspector, a member of the staff, to Tokyo in regard to the reconstruction of the Embassy there and the Consulate at Yokohama. Both the Embassy and the Consulate were completely destroyed in the great earthquake. We had hoped to rely on contractors in Tokyo to advise us. Unfortunately a month or two ago they said that they could not take the responsibility on their shoulders. We were left in the lurch and we had no alternative but to send someone abroad. That cost £500. Then we had to send someone to China in regard to certain questions in China and Shanghai.

We had to spend £300 on a mission of three officers to Russia. They had to go to Petrograd in order, if possible, to recover and dispose of the furniture and effects, belonging to the British Government, that had been seized by the Soviet Government during the Russian Revolution. That cost £300, and we recovered £12,000 worth of effects. Therefore, this increase in travelling expenses, under all the heads, may represent enormous savings of public money in other directions. Most of the effects recovered were disposed of in Russia. They were valued at £12,000. I understand that practically all were disposed of. The value of the whole was £12,000 sterling. Then I was asked a question about an item of "civil pay (arrears), £1,421." That item is merely due to the payment of arrears of salary to certain officers of the Department. The claims which were due to the action before the House of Lords did not come in in time for us to include this item in the main Estimate. I understand that there are no more claims to come in.

Colonel WOODCOCK

I understand the hon. Gentleman to say that there were four inspectors. Is the "travelling" only travelling, or does it include the whole of the expanses? I do not think the four inspectors could spend that amount if they travelled day and night. A question was also asked about first-class and third-class railway fares for civil servants. Would the hon. Gentleman state what is the status which determines whether an official should travel first-class or third-class?

Mr. LOCKER-LAMPSON

"Travelling" includes subsistence. With regard to first-class or third-class travelling, that question is still under consideration by the Treasury.

Mr. W. BAKER

I am very much obliged to the hon. Gentleman for his further information. I wish to ask some further questions about the furniture, of which we have heard for the first time. The hon. Gentleman considers that his Department has done remarkably well in sending this mission to Russia in order to trace furniture which was eventually sold for £12,000. Having regard to the character given by some to our friends the Russians, I think the members of the mission were very fortunate to find the furniture. Be that as it may, the Government have apparently secured £12,000 either as the result of selling the furniture or as compensation for furniture which has disappeared. That point perhaps the Minister will make clear. I submit that, in view of the probable early recognition of the Russian Government, it is not altogether wise or economic to dispose of these effects, seeing that they will have to be replaced at higher prices when a change of policy takes place. I would like to be told exactly where the furniture was found, whether it was sold for £12,000, or whether the money was received as compensation from the Russian Government.

Mr. LOCKER-LAMPSON

The mission was sent over in order to recover the effects that had been left behind in Petrograd and one other place. The chief part of the effects was furniture. Some of it was transferred to other Embassies. A little was brought back here and the rest was disposed of. The value of what was recovered was £12,000 sterling. We were certainly justified in sending the mission. It cost only £300 and we were able to recover £12,000.

Colonel WOODCOCK

Does that £12,000 appear in the Appropriation Account?

Mr. PETHICK-LAWRENCE

This furniture was presumably recovered in Russia. I understand it has been taken away to other capitals in Europe. What we are suggesting is, would it not have been better to have left it in Russia?

Lieut.-Commander BURNEY

Is it in order to follow this furniture about the world I understand that we are discussing travelling expenses. Furniture has been mentioned only as a reason for sending the mission to Russia. Surely we are not in order in following the furniture about the world?

Mr. W. BAKER

The Minister having introduced this furniture and having given its value as a justification for the expenditure in the Supplementary Estimate, I submit that it is in order for us to discuss it.

The DEPUTY-CHAIRMAN (Captain FitzRoy)

The Parliamentary Secretary first mentioned the question of furniture. At the time the hon. and gallant Member raised his point of Order I was trying to ascertain how furniture came into the question at all.

Mr. LOCKER-LAMPSON

It is my fault for making too long a speech. I gave the details in order to supply hon. Members with as much information as possible. The only point is that there was certain property of the Government left in Russia. It had been taken during the Russian Revolution. It belonged to the Office of Works, and we were anxious to recover it because it was valuable property. A mission of three was sent over to Petrograd and Moscow. When they got there the property was found to be worth £12,000. It cost £300 to get it; That is the whole point.

Mr. PETHICK-LAWRENCE

My point is quite relevant. We are asked to vote £300 for the expenses of this mission. The only question is whether the Government were well advised in removing the furniture to other capitals instead of leaving it in Russia with a view to its use when an Embassy is re-started in that country.

Lieut.-Commander BURNEY

I submit that the speech of the hon. Member is completely out of Order.

The DEPUTY-CHAIRMAN

We cannot discuss the question of the furniture being sent to other capitals. The only question before the Committee relates to the travelling expenses of the mission that was sent to investigate the matter.

Mr. PETHICK-LAWRENCE

Surely it is in order, on the salaries and expenses of these gentlemen, to ask whether what they did was one thing or another, and to criticise what they did if we think it was not desirable in the circumstances?

Commander WILLIAMS

The Minister made his case that £300 had been spent and the Government got back £12,000. What proportion of the total claim did that £12,000 represent? I want to know whether we have good value in the £12,000, or only a small percentage of what we ought to have?

The DEPUTY-CHAIRMAN

That would be quite out of Order.

Mr. SCURR

There is one point that I do not follow. I understood the Minister to say that part of this travelling expense was due to the fact that £500 had been spent on a mission to Tokio and Yokohama, that the Consular office and the Embassy had been destroyed in the earthquake, and that it was anticipated that a local firm of contractors would have been able to carry out the work. I also understood the hon. Gentleman to say that the Office of Works found themselves left in the lurch by reason of the fact that the contractors on the spot could not undertake this particular work. Is this sum of £500 simply voted on account in respect of certain expenditure which is going on at Tokio or Yokohama, and is it necessary that this mission should remain there for some time, or is this Vote in respect of completed work? If the work is completed, I should like to know how many persons constituted the mission which has cost such a large sum?

Mr. LOCKER-LAMPSON

In reply to the question put by the hon. Member for West Leicester (Mr. Pethick-Lawrence), we were bound to leave it to the officers who went out there to make up their minds as to this transaction, and I think in this case the result has fully justified their visit. They have been able to get some of this property, and I am sure they got as much of it as was possible. This property was not otherwise recoverable and might have been lost for ever so far as His Majesty's Government was concerned, but they did recover a good deal of it, and I think we have reason to be satisfied with what they did. Regarding the question put by the hon. Member for Mile End (Mr. Scurr), I would point out that the mission which went to Tokio left last May and returned last November. Therefore, they were absent for nearly six months, and I do not myself think that £500 is an excessive sum for that purpose. I have already explained the reason why they went there. It was because we could not find anybody on the spot who was willing to go into the matter and investigate and report.

Mr. SCURR

Does that apply to Yokohama also?

Mr. LOCKER-LAMPSON

Yes, it includes both Yokohama and Tokio.

Mr. LANSBURY

As shown here, the item "travelling expenses" represents the amount of travelling necessary in connection with the supervision of building and maintenance work both at home and abroad. I think it should have been more fully explained.

Mr. LOCKER-LAMPSON

The whole matter was explained when the hon. Member was not here.

Mr. LANSBURY

I know, and I am not complaining that the hon. Gentleman did not explain the matter to the Committee. I think a fuller explanation ought to appear on the Estimate, which otherwise is very misleading. What on earth has the inspection of furniture at Petrograd to do with building and maintenance work? Whoever is responsible for the explanatory note might have explained matters at a little greater length and told us what the hon. Gentleman told the Committee. We are not all able to sit here all the time. I enjoy listening to the Under-Secretary very much because of his courtesy and good will towards us, but, as I complained fore we are supposed to have explanatory notes, yet these notes do not explain that for which the money is being used. I do not know if it is in order to raise the question of the policy of removing this furniture. I understand it to be the intention even of the most anti-Russian and anti-Bolshevist Members on some occasions to—

The DEPUTY-CHAIRMAN

I have already ruled that on this Vote it is not open to hon. Members to pursue the question of the policy of removing this furniture.

Mr. LANSBURY

I understand £300 has been spent on sending three gentlemen to decide whether we are to get our properly back or not and what we are to do with it. Surely I can call in question their judgment.

The DEPUTY-CHAIRMAN

The point has already been ruled.

Mr. LANSBURY

I respectfully ask when I can raise the question of the soundness of the advice of these Gentlemen—if it is on their advice that we have moved this furniture. As I understand it, there is every prospect that in the near future we shall send an Ambassador to Russia, and then we shall probably have a Supplementary Estimate for more furniture.

The DEPUTY-CHAIRMAN

The Estimate before us deals with the travelling expenses of the gentlemen who went to Petrograd. The removal of the furniture is not an item in the Estimate, and we have nothing to do with it.

Mr. LANSBURY

I beg to move to reduce the Vote by £100.

I wish to challenge the right of the First Commissioner of Works to send these gentlemen to Russia. It has been a waste of money and of the time of these gentlemen, who are, I expect, distinguished civil servants and who might have been engaged on more useful work. I move the reduction as a protest against sending them on any such errand. I think a more foolhardy proposal and a more foolhardy policy than that of moving this furniture from the Petrograd Embassy has never been put before the Committee.

Mr. HARDIE

I wish to know who instructed these gentlemen to go on this mission? It is quite evident that this item of expenditure is unnecessary.

Lieut.-Commander BURNEY

On a point of Order. As I understood the ruing of the Chair was that it was not in Order to discuss policy in this matter, and I submit that if we are going to go back on the question suggested by the hon. Member for Springburn (Mr. Hardie), we are going beyond the discussion of the mere question of this £300 expenditure and going into matters of policy.

Mr. LANSBURY

Surely we can discuss whether the money ought to have been spent or not.

The DEPUTY-CHAIRMAN

Obviously it is open to discussion as to whether these gentlemen ought to have been sent at all or not.

Mr. HARDIE

I am sure that you, Mr. Deputy-Chairman, are indebted for the instructions which you are getting from hon. Members opposite. I have asked a question relating to the origin of this Estimate, and no hon. or right hon. Member opposite has the right, because of his lack of knowledge of the Rules, to waste the time of the Committee by these interruptions. My question is quite in order. Who gave instructions for this expenditure? The statement of the Tinder-Secretary clearly shows the honesty with which these men were treated by the Bolshevists in this country, which is supposed to have been made a hell upon earth. They found themselves dealing with men who were quite honest, and, if this subject had been treated as an ordinary matter of dealing between men and between nations, there was not the slightest need for this expense. I observe a figure of £2,000 shown as anticipated saving. Is that due to a previous expenditure on something which was abnormal, or is it due to new economical arrangements? It seems to me that when we come down to the details of the business of running the Government we get far too little information. We are told we must practice economy in printing, and it is for that reason I must ask the Under-Secretary to reply to my questions.

Mr. PONSONBY

The Under-Secretary said that £500 was the cost of sending this mission to Yokohama and Tokio, and that there was nobody on the spot who could be entrusted with the work. The Office of Works has resident officers in many capitals, and I understood there was one in Japan. Would it not have been cheaper if the resident officer had prepared plans and sketches and done the necessary work, instead of sending out a mission?

Mr. SCURR

On a point of Order. The Estimate states that the item "travelling expenses" means the expenses of the travelling necessary in connection with the supervision of building and maintenance work both at home and abroad I submit that this sum of £300 is not a provision for building and maintenance work, but is for work of an entirely different character, and does not come under this Vote.

The DEPUTY-CHAIRMAN

I think these words must be taken in a wider sense.

Mr. LOCKER-LAMPSON

In reply to the question asked by the hon. Member for Springburn (Mr. Hardie) about the saving, I ought to have mentioned in my original remarks that this saving of just over £2,000 is due to two causes. One is that the Department were able to save the fees of estate agents by disposing of most of these estates without the assistance of agents. In order to save money wherever we could, we disposed of these estates without the intervention of agents. The other reason was that we were able to cut down the expenditure on telegrams. In reply to the question put by the hon. Gentleman the late Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs (Mr. Ponsonby), the Office of Works has an officer at Shanghai, but not one at Tokio. There was nobody on the spot, and the contractors at the last moment said they could not take the responsibility of advising us. As it was such an enormously big question, that required very experienced advice, we thought it best to send somebody out to investigate it on the spot. If we had had somebody on the spot, we should have utilised his services, but we had not.

Mr. SCURR

As I am in no way satisfied with the explanation given by the hon. Member, I shall support the Amendment. I raised a point of order, and you, Captain FitzRoy, ruled that these words have to be taken in a wider sense than they appear here, but I think the Government are guilty somewhat of sharp practice in putting this Estimate down in this way. Here we have a special piece of work done by these men, who were sent over for the purpose. No doubt, it was a very enjoyable journey, and three gentlemen in His Majesty's service will now have a better appreciation of Russia than they had before, but I do not think it is our business to provide public money in order that civil servants should know something of the conditions prevailing in Russia. I think this matter could have been settled in a friendly fashion between our own Government and the Government of

Russia. By reason of the fact that they have been able to retrace and recover furniture to the value of £12,000, it is evident that they could have met with very little difficulty at all, and I think the question could have been settled by communications through the ordinary channels of communication between Governments, without wasting public money in this way.

I also think the other mission which has been referred to, namely, the mission to Tokio and Yokohama, has been a waste of money. It no doubt very nice to send an expert of the Civil Service to visit China and Japan, and I think that any hon. Member of this House would be only too pleased to get such a visit as that at the public expense. We are told that the Government have someone at Shanghai who could have done this work and why should he not have been called upon, instead of the Government sending someone out all the way from London? This sort of thing is disclosing all the way through that the Government, who are posing as being interested in public economy and telling us that they will shortly introduce a Bill to deal with economy, are at present wasting the public money in a disgraceful fashion.

Several HON. MEMBERS

rose—

Mr. LOCKER-LAMPSON

rose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put."

Question put, "That the Question be now put."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 231: Noes, 103.

Division No. 16.] AYES. [6.50 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Boyd-Carpenter, Major A. Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir J. A. (Birm., W.)
Agg-Gardner, Rt. Hon. Sir James T. Brass, Captain W. Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood)
Albery, Irving James Briggs, J. Harold Charteris, Brigadier-General J.
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) Briscoe, Richard George Churchman, Sir Arthur C.
Allen, J. Sandeman (L'pool, W. Derby) Brittain, Sir Harry Clarry, Reginald George
Applin, Colonel R. V. K. Brocklebank, C. E. R. Cobb, Sir Cyril
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D.
Ashmead-Bartlett, E. Broun-Lindsay, Major H. Cockerill, Brigadier-General G. K.
Atholl, Duchess of Brown, Maj. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) Conway, Sir W. Martin
Atkinson, C. Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks, Newb'y) Cope, Major William
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Burman, J. B. Couper, J. B.
Balfour, George (Hampstead) Burney, Lieut.-Com. Charles D. Cowan Sir Wm. Henry (Islingtn. N.)
Balniel, Lord Burton, Colonel H. W. Craig, Capt. Rt. Hon. C. C. (Antrim)
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Butt, Sir Alfred Craik, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry
Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick)
Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish. Caine, Gordon Hall Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainsbro)
Berry, Sir George Campbell, E. T. Cunliffe, Sir Joseph Herbert
Betterton, Henry B. Cautley, Sir Henry S. Curzon, Captain Viscount
Bird, E. R. (Yorks, W. R., Skipton) Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Dalziel, Sir Davison
Blundell, F. N. Cazalet, Captain Victor A. Davies, Dr. Vernon
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil)
Bowyer, Capt. G. E. W. Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.)
Dean, Arthur Wellesley Jephcott, A. R. Roberts, E. H. G. (Flint)
Eden, Captain Anthony Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) Roberts, Samuel (Hereford, Hereford)
Edmondson, Major A. J. Kindersley, Major Guy M. Ropner, Major L.
Edwards, John H. (Accrington) King, Captain Henry Douglas Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Elliot, Captain Walter E. Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Rye, F. G.
Elveden, Viscount Knox, Sir Alfred Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) Lamb, J. Q. Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith Lane Fox, Col. Rt. Hon. George R. Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D.
Everard, W. Lindsay Little, Dr. E. Graham Scott, Sir Leslie (Liverp'l, Exchange)
Fairfax, Captain J. G. Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green) Sheffield, Sir Berkeley
Falle, Sir Bertram G. Loder, J. de V. Simms, Dr. John M. (Co. Down)
Fanshawe, Commander G. D. Looker, Herbert William Skelton, A. N.
Fermoy, Lord Lord, Walter Greaves Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.)
Fielden, E. B. Lumley, L. R. Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Forestier-Walker, Sir L. MacAndrew, Charles Glen Smithers, Waldron
Forrest, W. McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Foster, Sir Harry S. MacIntyre, Ian Spender Clay, Colonel H.
Frece, Sir Walter de McLean, Major A. Sprot, Sir Alexander
Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. Macmillan, Captain H. Stanley, Col. Hon. G. F. (Will'sden, E.)
Ganzoni, Sir John McNeill, Rt. Hon. Ronald John Stanley, Lord (Fylde)
Gates, Percy Macquisten, F. A. Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westm'eland)
Gee, Captain R. Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel. Steel, Major Samuel Strang
Gibbs, Col. Rt. Hon. George Abraham Makins, Brigadier-General E. Storry-Deans, R.
Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn Streatfeild, Captain S. R.
Goff, Sir Park Margesson, Capt. D. Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser
Gower, Sir Robert Marriott, Sir J. A. R. Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Greene, W. P. Crawford Merriman, F. B. Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell.
Grotrian, H. Brent Milne, J. S. Wardlaw. Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Gunston, Captain D. W. Moles, Thomas Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P.
Hall, Lieut.-Colonel Sir F. (Dulwich) Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) Wallace, Captain D. E.
Hanbury, C. Moore, Sir Newton J. Ward, Lt.-Col. A. L. (Kingston-on-Hull)
Harland, A. Moore Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C. Warner, Brigadier-General W. W.
Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent) Moreing, Captain A. H. Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Harrison, G. J. C. Morrison, H. (Wilts, Salisbury) Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle)
Harlington, Marquess of Nall, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Joseph Wells, S. R.
Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Nelson, Sir Frank Wheler, Major Sir Granville C. H.
Haslam, Henry C. Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G. (Ptrsf'ld.) White, Lieut.-Colonel G. Dalrymple
Hawke, John Anthony Nield, Rt. Hon. Sir Herbert Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern)
Henderson, Capt. R. R. (Oxf'd, Henley) Nuttall, Ellis Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
Henderson, Lieut.-Col. V. L. (Bootle) Oakley, T. Williams, Herbert G. (Reading)
Henn, Sir Sydney H. O'Neill, Major Rt. Hon. Hugh Wilson, R. R. (Stafford, Lichfield)
Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) Pennefather, Sir John Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Hills, Major John Walter Penny, Frederick George Wise, Sir Fredric
Hilton, Cecil Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) Wolmer, Viscount
Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. Peto, Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) Womersley, W. J.
Hogg, Rt, Hon. Sir D. (St. Marylebone) Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome) Wood, B. C. (Somerset, Bridgwater)
Holbrook, Sir Arthur Richard Philipson, Mabel Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'ge & Hyde)
Homan, C. W. J. Pielou, D. P. Wood, Sir Kingsley (Woolwich, W.).
Hope, Sir Harry (Forfar) Price, Major C. W. M. Wood, Sir S. Hill (High Peak)
Hopkins, J. W. W. Ramsden, E. Woodcock, Colonel H. C.
Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Moseley) Rawson, Sir Alfred Cooper Wragg, Herbert
Howard, Captain Hon. Donald Reid, Capt. A. S. C. (Warrington) Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T.
Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Reid, D. D. (County Down) Young, Rt. Hon. Hilton (Norwich)
Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. Remer, J. R.
Jackson, Lieut.-Col. Rt. Hon. F. S. Rentoul, G. S. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y) Major Sir Harry Barnston and
Major Hennessy.
NOES.
Ammon, Charles George Duncan, C. Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth)
Attlee, Clement Richard Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) Kelly, W. T.
Baker, Walte. Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.) Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M.
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. Lansbury, George
Barnes, A. Gillett, George M. Lee, F.
Barr, J. Gosling, Harry Livingstone, A. M.
Batey, Joseph Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.) Lowth, T.
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Greenall, T. MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Aberavon)
Briant, Frank Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) MacLaren, Andrew
Broad, F. A. Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Maclean, Neil (Glasgow, Govan)
Bromfield, William Grundy, T. W. MacNeill-Weir, L.
Bromley, J. Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) Montague, Frederick
Buchanan, G. Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Morris, R. H.
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.)
Charleton, H. C. Hardie, George D. Naylor, T. E.
Clowes, S. Harris, Percy A. Owen, Major G.
Cluse, W. S. Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon Palin, John Henry
Collins, Sir Godfrey (Greenock) Hayes, John Henry Pethick Lawrence, F. W.
Connolly, M. Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Burnley) Ponsonby, Arthur
Crawfurd, H. E. Hirst, G. H. Potts, John S.
Dalton, Hugh Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring)
Davies, Evart (Ebbw Vale) Hutchison, Sir Robert (Montrose) Ritson, J.
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter
Dennison, R. John, William (Rhondda, West) Scrymgeour, E.
Scurr, John Thorne, W. (Went Ham, Plaistow) Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) Tinker, John Joseph Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John Townend, A. E. Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Sinclair, Major Sir A. (Caithness) Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. C. P. Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Smith, H. B. Lees (Keighley) Viant, S. P. Windsor, Walter
Smith, Rennie (Penistone) Wallhead, Richard C. Wright, W.
Snell, Harry Walsh, Rt. Hon. Stephen Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Stephen, Campbell Warne, G. H.
Stewart, J. (St. Rollox) Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Sutton, J. E. Whiteley, W. Mr. Allen Parkinson and Mr. T.
Taylor, R. A. Wiggins, William Martin Henderson.
Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby) Wilkinson, Ellen C.

Question put accordingly, "That a sum, not exceeding £3,231, be granted for the said Service."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 103; Noes, 235.

Division No. 17.] AYES. [7.0 p.m.
Ammon, Charles George Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) Scurr, John
Attlee, Clement Richard Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Baker, Walter Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) Hardie, George D. Sinclair, Major Sir A. (Caithness)
Barnes, A. Harris, Percy A. Smith, H. B. Lees (Keighley)
Barr, J. Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Batey, Joseph Hayes, John Henry Snell, Harry
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Henderson, Right Hon. A. (Burnley) Stephen, Campbell
Briant, Frank Hirst, G. H. Stewart, J. (St. Rollox)
Broad, F. A. Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Sutton, J. E.
Bromfield, William Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Taylor, R. A.
Bromley, J. John, William (Rhondda, West) Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby)
Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow)
Buchanan, G. Kelly, W. T. Tinker, John Joseph
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M. Townene, A. E.
Charleton, H. C. Lansbury, George Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. C. P.
Clowes, S. Lee, F. Viant, S. P.
Cluse, W. S. Livingstone, A. M. Wallhead, Richard C.
Collins Sir Godfrey (Greenock) Lowth, T. Walsh, Rt. Hon. Stephen
Connolly, M. MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Aberavon) Warne, G. H.
Crawfurd, H. E. MacLaren, Andrew Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney
Dalton, Hugh Maclean, Neil (Glasgow, Govan) Whiteley, W.
Davies, Evan (Ebbw Vale) MacNeill-Weir, L. Wiggins, William Martin
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Montague, Frederick Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Dennison, R. Morris, R. H. Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Duncan, C. Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Edwards, C. (Monmouth. Bedwellty) Naylor, T. E. Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer) Palin, John Henry Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. Windsor, Walter
Gillett, George M. Ponsonby, Arthur Wright, W.
Gosling, Harry Potts, John S. Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.) Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring)
Greenall, T. Riley, Ben TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) Ritson, J. Mr. Allen Parkinson and Mr. T.
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter Henderson.
Grundy, T. W. Scrymgeour, E.
NOES.
Acland Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Brass, Captain W. Churchman, Sir Arthur C.
Agg-Gardner, Rt. Hon. Sir James T. Briggs, J. Harold Clarry, Reginald George
Albery, Irving James Briscoe, Richard George Cobb, Sir Cyril
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) Brittain, Sir Harry Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D.
Allen, J. Sandeman (L'pool, W. Derby) Brocklebank, C. E. R. Cockerill, Brigadier-General G. K.
Applin, Colonel R. V. K. Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. Conway, Sir W. Martin
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Broun-Lindsay, Major H. Couper, J. B.
Ashmead-Bartlett, E. Brown, Maj. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) Cowan, Sir Wm. Henry (Islington, N.)
Atholl, Duchess of Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks, Newb'v) Craig, Capt. Rt. Hon. C. C. (Antrim)
Atkinson, C. Burman, J. B. Craik, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Burney, Lieut.-Com. Charles D. Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick)
Balfour, George (Hampstead) Burton, Colonel H. W. Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainsbro)
Balniel, Lord Butt, Sir Alfred Cunliffe, Sir Joseph Herbert
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward Curzon, Captain Viscount
Barnston, Major Sir Harry Caine, Gordon Hall Dalziel, Sir Davison
Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) Campbell, E. T. Davies, Dr. Vernon
Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish- Cautley, Sir Henry S. Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil)
Berry, Sir George Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.)
Betterton, Henry B. Cazalet, Captain Victor A. Dean, Arthur Wellesley
Bird, E. R. (Yorks, W. R., Skipton) Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Eden, Captain Anthony
Blundell, F. N. Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton Edmondson, Major A. J.
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir J. A. (Birm., W.) Edwards, John H. (Accrington)
Bowyer, Captain G. E. W. Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) Elliot, Captain Walter E.
Boyd Carpenter, Major A. Charteris, Brigadier-General J. Elveden, Viscount
England, Colonel A. Knox, Sir Alfred Roberts, E. H. G. (Flint)
Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) Lamb, J. Q. Roberts, Samuel (Hereford, Hereford)
Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith Lane Fox, Col. Rt. Hon. George R. Ropner, Major L.
Everard, W, Lindsay Little, Dr. E. Graham Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Fairfax, Captain J. G. Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green) Rye, F. G.
Falle, Sir Bertram G. Loder, J. de V. Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Fanshawe, Commander G. D. Looker, Herbert William Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Fermoy, Lord Lord, Walter Greaves- Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D.
Fielden, E. B. Lumley, L. R. Scott, Sir Leslie (Liverp'l, Exchange)
Forestier-Walker, Sir L. MacAndrew, Charles Glen Sheffield, Sir Berkeley
Forrest, W. Macdonald, Sir Murdoch (Inverness) Simms, Dr. John M. (Co. Down)
Foster, Sir Harry S. McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus Skelton, A. N.
Frece, Sir Walter de MacIntyre, Ian Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.)
Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. McLean, Major A. Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Ganzoni, Sir John Macmillan, Captain H. Smithers, Waldron
Gates, Percy McNeill, Rt. Hon. Ronald John Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Gee, Captain R. Macquisten, F. A. Spender Clay, Colonel H.
Gibbs, Col. Rt. Hon. George Abraham MacRobert, Alexander M. Sprot, Sir Alexander
Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel Stanley, Col. Hon. G. F. (Will'sden, E.)
Goff, Sir Park Makins, Brigadier-General E. Stanley, Lord (Fylde)
Gower, Sir Robert Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westm'eland)
Greene, W. P. Crawford Margesson, Captain D. Steel, Major Samuel Strang
Grotrian, H. Brent Marriott, Sir J. A. R. Storry-Deans, R.
Gunston, Captain D. W. Merriman, F. B. Streatfeild, Captain S. R.
Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) Milne, J. S. Wardlaw- Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser
Hanbury, C. Moles, Thomas Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Harland, A. Moore Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell-
Harrison, G. J. C. Moore, Sir Newton J. Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Hartington, Marquess of Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C. Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P.
Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Moreing, Captain A. H. Wallace, Captain D. E.
Haslam, Henry C. Morrison, H. (Wilts, Salisbury) Ward, Lt.-Cot. A. L. (Kingston-on-Hull)
Hawke, John Anthony Nall, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Joseph Warner, Brigadier-General W. W.
Henderson, Capt. R. R. (Oxford, Henley) Nelson, Sir Frank Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Henderson, Lieut.-Col. V. L. (Bootle) Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G. (Ptrsf'ld.) Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle)
Henn, Sir Sydney H. Nield, Rt. Hon. Sir Herbert Wells, S. R.
Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) Nuttall, Ellis Wheler, Major Sir Granville C. H.
Hills, Major John Walter Oakley, T. White, Lieut.-Colonel G. Dalrymple
Hilton, Cecil O'Neill, Major Rt. Hon. Hugh Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern)
Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. Owen, Major G. Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D. (St. Marylebone) Pennefather, Sir John Williams, Herbert G. (Reading)
Holbrook, Sir Arthur Richard Penny, Frederick George Wilson, R. R. (Stafford, Lichfield)
Homan, C. W. J. Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Hope, Sir Harry (Forfar) Peto, Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) Wise, Sir Fredric
Hopkins, J. W. W. Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome) Wolmer, Viscount
Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Moseley) Philipson, Mabel Womersley, W. J.
Howard, Captain Hon. Donald Pielou, D. P. Wood, B. C. (Somerset, Bridgwater)
Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Price, Major C. W. M. Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'ge & Hyde)
Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. Ramsden, E. Wood, Sir Kingsley (Woolwich, W.)
Jackson, Lieut.-Col. Rt. Hon. F. S. Rawson, Sir Alfred Cooper Wood, Sir S. Hill- (High Peak)
James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert Rees, Sir Beddoe Woodcock, Colonel H. C.
Jephcott, A. R. Reid, Capt. A. S. C. (Warrington) Wragg, Herbert
Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) Reid, D. D. (County Down) Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T.
Kindersley, Major Guy M. Remer, J. R. Young, Rt. Hon. Hilton (Norwich)
King, Captain Henry Douglas Rantoul, G. S.
Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Major Hennessy and Major Cope.
Mr. LOCKER-LAMPSON

claimed, "That the Original Question be now put."

Original Question put accordingly.

The Committee divided: Ayes, 228; Noes, 104.

Division No. 18.] AYES. [7.8 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Cautley, Sir Henry S.
Agg-Gardner, Rt. Hon. Sir James T. Bowyer, Captain G. E. W. Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City)
Albery, Irving James Boyd-Carpenter, Major A. Cazalet, Captain Victor A.
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) Brass, Captain W. Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston)
Allen, J. Sandeman (L'pool, W. Derby) Briggs, J. Harold Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton
Appiin, Colonel R. V. K. Briscoe, Richard George Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood)
Ashley, Lt.-Col. At. Hon. Wilfrid W. Brittain, Sir Harry Charteris, Brigadier-General J.
Ashmead-Bartlett, E. Brocklebank, C. E. R. Churchman, Sir Arthur C.
Atkinson, C. Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. Clarry, Reginald George
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Broun-Lindsay, Major H. Cobb, Sir Cyril
Balfour, George (Hampstead) Brown, Maj. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D.
Bainlel, Lord Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks, Newb'y) Cockerill, Brigadier-General G. K.
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Burman, J. B. Conway, Sir W. Martin
Barnston, Major Sir Harry Burney, Lieut.-Com. Charles D. Cope, Major William
Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) Burton, Colonel H. W. Cooper, J. B.
Berry, Sir George Butt, Sir Alfred Craig, Capt. Rt. Hon. C. C. (Antrim)
Bethell, A. Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward Craik, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry
Betterton, Henry B. Caine, Gordon Hall Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick)
Bird, E. R. (Yorks, W. R., Skipton) Campbell, E. T. Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainsbro)
Cunliffe, Sir Joseph Herbert Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. Reid, D. D. (County Down)
Curzon, Captain Viscount Jackson, Lieut.-Col. Rt. Hon. F. S. Remer, J. R.
Dalziel, Sir Davison James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert Rentoul, G. S.
Davies, Dr. Vernon Jephcott, A. R. Richardson Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y)
Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil) Kennedy, A. R. (Preston). Roberts, E. H. G. (Flint)
Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) Kindersley, Major G. M. Roberts, Samuel (Hereford, Hereford)
Dean, Arthur Wellesley King, Captain Henry Douglas Ropner, Major L.
Eden, Captain Anthony Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Edmondson, Major A. J. Knox, Sir Alfred Rye F. G.
Elliot, Captain Walter E. Lamb, J. O. Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Elveden, Viscount Lane Fox, Col. Rt. Hon. George R. Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
England, Colonel A. Little, Dr. E. Graham Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D.
Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s-M.) Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green) Scott, Sir Leslie (Liverp'l, Exchange)
Everard, W. Lindsay Loder, J. de V. Sheffield, Sir Berkeley
Fairfax, Captain J. G. Looker, Herbert William Simms, Dr. John M. (Co. Down)
Falle, Sir Bertram G. Lord, Walter Greaves- Smith, R. W. (Aherd'n & Kinc'dine, C.)
Fanshawe, Commander G. D. Lumley, L. R. Smith, Carirgton, Neville W.
Fermoy, Lord MacAndrew, Charles Glen Smithers, Waldron
Fielden, E. B. Macdonald, Sir Murdoch (Inverness) Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Forestier-Walker, Sir L. McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus Spender Clay, Colonel H.
Forrest, W. MacIntyre, Ian Sprot, Sir Alexander
Foster, Sir Harry S. McLean, Major A. Stanley, Col. Hon. G. F. (Will'sden, E.)
Frece, Sir Walter de Macmillan, Captain H. Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westm'eland)
Fremantle, Lt.-Col. Francis E. McNeill, Rt. Hon. Ronald John Steel, Major Samuel Strang
Ganzoni, Sir John Macquisten, F. A. Storry-Deans, R.
Gates, Percy MacRobert, Alexander M. Streatfeild, Captain S. R.
Gee, Captain R. Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel- Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser
Gibbs, Col. Rt. Hon. George Abraham Makins, Brigadier-General E. Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Gilmour, Colonel Rt. Hon. Sir John Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell-
Gower, Sir Robert Marriott, Sir J. A. R. Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Greene, W. P. Crawford Merriman, F. B. Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P.
Grotrian, H. Brent Milne, J. S. Wardlaw- Wallace, Captain D. E.
Guest, Capt. Rt. Hon. F. E. (Bristol, N.) Moles, Thomas Ward, Lt.-Col. A. L. (Kingston-on-Hull)
Gunston, Captain D. W. Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) Warner, Brigadier-General W. W.
Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) Moore, Sir Newton J. Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Hanbury, C. Moore-Brabazon Lieut.-Col. J. T. C. Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle)
Harland, A. Moreing, Captain A. H. Wells, S. R.
Harrison, G. J. C. Morrison, H. (Wilts, Salisbury) Wheler, Major Sir Granville C. H.
Hartington, Marquess of Nall, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Joseph White, Lieut.-Colonel G. Dalrymple
Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Nelson, Sir Frank Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern)
Haslam, Henry C. Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G. (Ptrsf'ld.) Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
Hawke, John Anthony Nield, Rt. Hon. Sir Herbert Williams, Herbert G. (Reading)
Henderson, Capt. R. R. (Oxf'd, Henley) Nuttall, Ellis Wilson, R. R. (Stafford, Lichfield)
Henderson, Lieut.-Col. V. L. (Bootle) Oakley, T. Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Henn, Sir Sydney H. O'Neill, Major At. Hon. Hugh Wise, Sir Fredric
Hennessy, Major J. R. G. Owen, Major G. Wolmer, Viscount
Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) Pennefather, Sir John Womersley, W. J.
Hills, Major John Walter Penny, Frederick George Wood, B. C. (Somerset, Bridgwater)
Hilton, Cecil Peto, Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'dge & Hyde)
Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome) Wood, Sir Kingsley (Woolwich, W.).
Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D. (St. Marylebone) Philipson, Mabel Wood, Sir S. Hill- (High Peak)
Holbrook, Sir Arthur Richard Pielou, D. P. Woodcock, Colonel H. C.
Homan, C. W. J. Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton Wragg, Herbert
Hope, Sir Harry (Forfar) Price, Major C. W. M. Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T.
Hopkins, J. W. W. Ramsden, E. Young, Rt. Hon. Hilton (Norwich)
Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) Rawson, Sir Alfred Cooper
Howard, Captain Hon. Donald Rees, Sir Beddoe TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Reid, Capt. A. S. C. (Warrington) Major Hennessy and Captain
Margesson.
NOES.
Ammon, Charles George Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Hirst, W. (Bradford, South)
Attlee, Clement Richard Dennison, R. Hutchison, Sir Robert (Montrose)
Baker, Walter Duncan, C. Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath)
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) John, William (Rhondda, West)
Barnes, A. Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.) Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth)
Barr, J. Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. Kelly, W. T.
Batey, Joseph Gillett, George M. Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M.
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Gosling, Harry Lansbury, George
Briant, Frank Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.) Lee, F.
Broad, F. A. Greenall, T. Livingstone, A. M.
Bromfield, William Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) Lowth, T.
Bromley, J. Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Aberavon)
Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Grundy, T. W. MacLaren, Andrew
Buchanan, G. Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) Maclean, Neil (Glasgow, Govan)
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) MacNeill-Weir, L.
Charleton, H. C. Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) Montague, Frederick
Clowes, S. Hardie, George D. Morris, R. H.
Cluse, W. S. Harris, Percy A. Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.)
Collins, Sir Godfrey (Greenock) Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon Naylor, T. E.
Connolly, M. Hayes, John Henry Palin, John Henry
Dalton, Hugh Henderson, Right Hon. A. (Burnley) Pethick-Lawrence, F. W.
Davies, Evan (Ebbw Vale) Hirst, G. H. Potts, John S.
Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Stewart, J. (St. Rollox) Whiteley, W.
Riley, Ben Sutton, J. E. Wiggins, William Martin
Ritson, J. Taylor, R. A. Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby) Williams, David (Swansea, E.)
Scrymgeour, E. Thomson, Trevelyan (Middlesbro, W.) Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Scurr, John Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow) Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Shiels, Dr. Drummond Tinker, John Joseph Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) Townend, A. E. Windsor, Walter
Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. C. P. Wright, W.
Sinclair, Major Sir A. (Caithness) Viant, S. P. Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Smith, H. B. Lees (Keighley) Wallhead, Richard C.
Smith, Rennie (Penistone) Walsh, Rt. Hon. Steven TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
Snell, Harry Warne, G. H. Mr. Allen Parkinson and Mr. T.
Stephen, Campbell Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney Henderson.