§ Sir D. NEWTONI beg to move, in page 7, line 11, to leave out the words "description and."
This Amendment has to be read in connection with the following Amendment which stands in my name on the Paper. The Clause as drafted reads:
Information with respect to the following matters shall be included in the demand note on which the general rate is levied, that is to say—(a) the description and situation of the hereditament.The effect of my Amendment will be to omit the words "description and" from the demand note. It is an unnecessary obligation to place upon rating authorities. The ratepayer desires to have full information as to the situation of his premises, but it is not necessary that he should also have a description of his premises. It is sufficient for him to have information which will enable him to identify quite clearly, without any possibility of doubt, what property is to be rated, and these words do not occur in 1071 our present rating system. If the Clause is passed in its present form it will mean the description will have to be written on the form, and it will be realised that manuscript additions to demand notes are a frequent source of error, as well as being a considerable expense. There is no desire to withhold any information from the ratepayer, and in this connection I would like to point out that Clause 59 empowers the Minister to prescribe the form of demand note, and any rules which the Minister make in that connection will have to be laid upon the Table of this House. Therefore, the ratepayer is amply safeguarded.
§ Mr. WOMERSLEYI beg to second the Amendment.
§ Colonel WEDGWOOD rose—
§ Mr. SPEAKERI wish to ask the right hon. Gentleman a question before I put the Question to the House. His is the next Amendment on the Paper, and I think the word he wishes to add would come as well after the word "situation" as after the words "description and"?
§ Colonel WEDGWOODYes.
§ Mr. SPEAKERThen I shall not be debarring his Amendment in putting the Question in the form, "That the words 'description and' stand part of the Bill."
Mr. CHAMBERLAINI propose to accept this Amendment, for the reason that since the Bill went through Committee information has come to me which shows that the insertion of the word "description" would probably involve an expenditure the extent of which I had not at all realised when the Clause was in Committee. As my hon. Friend has pointed out, if a description of the hereditament is to be inserted on the demand note it means writing it in. I am informed that in a single large town there are upwards of 130,000 demand notes to be made out twice a year, and that the effect of having to insert a description of the hereditament as well as the situation of it would mean the employment of extra clerks and would cost about £600 a year. One of the main purposes of the Bill is to promote economy, and I am willing to cut out of the Bill anything that is not 1072 vitally necessary, and I cannot say that these words "description and" are vitally necessary. No description is required in the printed form of the demand note, although it is divided into two classes, agricultural and non-agricultural land. My hon. Friend the Member for Cambridge (Sir D. Newton) who has moved this Amendment, has an Amendment further down on the Paper to insert at the end of this Clause the words "and such description thereof as may be prescribed." We really do not require to say whether a hereditament is a shop, a house, or works. We know the situation of the assessment number, and that is quite sufficient, and therefore it seems a waste of money to put in those words.
§ Colonel WEDGWOODThis Amendment was put in after considerable discussion, and I think we should have had notice that the Government intended to take out these words before the hon Member moved this "tame cat" Amendment.
§ Sir D. NEWTONIs it in order for the right hon. Gentleman to refer to my Amendment in the words he has just used? I am moving this Amendment on behalf of the Association of Municipal Corporations representing associations throughout the length and breadth of the land.
§ Mr. SPEAKERI think it was rather a harmless and semi-humourous expression.
§ Colonel WEDGWOODMy reference was used in regard to the two previous Amendments as well, and I think such Amendments may be described as tame cat Amendments. I was not aware that this Amendment was put forward on behalf of the Association of Municipal Corporations, and I only wish the hon. Member had mentioned that fact, because I am sure it would have strengthened his case in moving it. I regard the Association of Municipal Corporations as a somewhat important body.
Now let me state the case for the Amendment as it was put before the Committee. What we want is that the man who is being rated should know on which property he is being rated. Over and over again you get people owning say, a field apart from their house, and they get no description of their property. I have had notices, and I think hon. Members must have had them also, from which you 1073 cannot tell what property is involved. It is absolutely impossible to see, from some of the scanty notices one receives, not only what the property is, but what it is assessed at, and I think we are justified in asking that a person who receives a demand note should have it made quite clear to him for what property he is being assessed. I think it is even more necessary when one looks at the Second Schedule, Parts I and II. In Part I hon. Members will see that, instead of dividing all property subject to rates into the two simple heads mentioned by the right hon. Gentleman, that is to say, agricultural land and property other than agricultural land, we have seven different classes of hereditaments, in the case of which there are variable deductions from the gross value. In Part II there will be found two or three other forms of hereditament, which have still further deductions. In these circumstances, it is very desirable that the person who is being rated should know on which of these 10 or a dozen different forms of property he is being rated, as he is entitled under this Bill, if it becomes law, to deductions from the gross assessment which vary according to the class of property.
For these reasons it seems to me to be eminently desirable that we should have this information. The ordinary ratepayer will never read this Bill, and will never know what sort of deductions he is entitled to. Therefore, it is really only justice to the ordinary ratepayer that he should be shown clearly the class of property and the percentage of deduction allowed, so that he may be quite certain that he is not being unjustly treated by these now assessment authorities. I quite agree that, if a long description had to be written in, it would be a very expensive matter, but, as it is merely a question of putting down, say, "13, High Street," with the addition of "shop" or "dwelling-house," or whatever it may be, I do not think it is asking too much. I think we might have a description sufficiently detailed, at any rate, to allow people to understand what deductions from the gross value are allowed, and, further, when it is a question of a detached piece of land, that the situation of that detached piece of land should be given, in addition to the address of the man who pays the rates.
§ Mr. B. PETOI think the right hon. Gentleman (Colonel Wedgwood) has failed to notice what the Minister has already told him, namely, that he proposed to accept an Amendment, a little further down on the Paper, to insert the words
and such description thereof as may be prescribed.That appears to me to be the whole matter, and therefore I hope, now that I have informed the right hon. Gentleman of the fact, he will see that there is no reason whatever for further delay.
§ Mr. ATTLEEIn spite of the remarks of the hon. Member who has just sat down, our attention had been drawn to that point, but I drew the attention of the House to the fact that it was somewhat vague; all that we are told is going to be accepted is that something or other is going to be prescribed. I listened attentively to the Minister as he made his explanation, and I gathered that such description as we were going to have was rather to relate to agricultural land. He said that it would save time not to put down the description "dwelling house" and so on in towns, but what we want to know in the rate demand note is exactly what is included. You may have a house with a stable attached, and you may not know whether the stabling is included with the house, or whether, for some reason or other, it has been put in a separate assessment; or you may have an advertising station attached to the house which is separately rated. We want to have a description, or, at all events, to get clearly from the Minister exactly what he means by this prescribing of certain details. A statement of the situation does not go very far. I think it is common ground that you must have a description where you have agricultural land. I do not know whether the Minister is going to accept my right hon. Friend's Amendment with regard to extent, but if we do not have something of that sort we do not really know what description is going to be prescribed. We must press for the retention of this and I am rather surprised that there is so much opposition to it because the whole of the Committee upstairs were very emphatic as to what we must have in this Demand Note and included the description and situation. I am not sure 1075 it was not one of the occasions where the Minister in charge gave way to the Committee. Members were very strong on the fact that we must have description and situation and so on, and we ought to
§ have something more before we permit this to be withdrawn.
§ Question put, "That the words proposed to be left stand part of the Bill."
§ The House divided: Ayes, 106; Noes, 310.
1077| Division No. 390.] | AYES. | [10.35 p.m. |
| Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) | Grundy, T. W. | Salter, Dr. Alfred |
| Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) | Guest, J. (York, Hemsworth) | Scrymgeour, E. |
| Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') | Guest, Dr. L. Haden (Southwark, N.) | Scurr, John |
| Attlee, Clement Richard | Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) | Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston) |
| Baker, J. (Wolverhampton, Bilston) | Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) | Shiels, Dr. Drummond |
| Baker, Walter | Hardie, George D. | Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) |
| Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) | Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon | Sitch, Charles H. |
| Barnes, A. | Hayday, Arthur | Smillie, Robert |
| Barr, J | Hayes, John Henry | Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe) |
| Batey, Joseph | Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Burney) | Smith, Rennie (Penistone) |
| Beckett, John (Gateshead) | Henderson, T. (Glasgow) | Snell, Harry |
| Briant, Frank | Hirst, G. H. | Stephen, Campbell |
| Broad, F. A. | Hirst, w. (Bradford, South) | Taylor, R. A. |
| Brown. James (Ayr and Bute) | Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) | Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow) |
| Buchanan. G. | Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) | Thurtie, E. |
| Cape, Thomas | John, William (Rhondda, West) | Tinker, John Joseph |
| Charieton, H. C. | Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) | Townend, A. E. |
| Clowes, S. | Kelly, W. T. | Varley, Frank B. |
| Cluse, W. S. | Kennedy, T. | Viant, S. P. |
| Compton, Joseph | Lansbury, George | Walsh, Rt. Hon. Stephen |
| Connolly, M. | Lee, F. | Warne, G. H. |
| Cove, W. G. | Lindley F. W. | Watson, W, M. (Dunfermline) |
| Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) | Lowth, T. | Watts-Morgan. Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda) |
| Dalton, Hugh | Lunn, William | Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney |
| Day. Colonel Harry | Mackinder, W. | Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. Josiah |
| Dennison, R. | Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan) | Westwood, J. |
| Duncan, C. | March, S. | Whiteley, W. |
| Dunnico, H. | Naylor, T. E. | Williams, David (Swansea, E.) |
| Gibbins, Joseph | Oliver, George Harold | Williams, T. (York, Don Valley) |
| Gillett, George M. | Palin, John Henry | Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow) |
| Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) | Ponsonby, Arthur | Windsor, Walter |
| Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.) | Potts, John S. | Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton) |
| Greenall, T. | Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) | |
| Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) | Riley, Ben | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— |
| Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) | Ritson, J. | Mr. Allen Parkinson and Mr. |
| Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) | Robinson, W. C. (Yorks, W.R., Elland) | Charles Edwards. |
| Groves, T. | Rose, Frank H. | |
| NOES. | ||
| Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel | Brassey, Sir Leonard | Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D, |
| Agg-Gardner, Rt. Hon. Sir James T. | Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive | Cockerill, Brigadier-General G. K. |
| Albery, Irving James | Briscoe, Richard George | Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips |
| Alexander. E. E. (Leyton) | Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. J. | Conway, Sir W. Martin |
| Allen. J. Sandeman (L'pool, W. Derby) | Broun-Lindsay, Major H. | Cooper, A. Duff |
| Allen, Lieut.-Col. Sir William James | Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) | Cope, Major William |
| Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. | Brown, Brig-Gen. H. C.(Berks, Newb'y) | Couper, J. B. |
| Applin, Colonel R. V. K. | Buckingham, Sir H. | Courtauld, Major J. S. |
| Apsley, Lord | Bull, Rt. Hon. Sir William James | Craik, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry |
| Atholl, Duchess of | Bullock, Captain M. | Crawfurd, H. t. |
| Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley | Burgoyne, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Alan | Crook, C. W. |
| Balfour, George (Hampstead) | Burman, J. B. | Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) |
| Barrlay-Harvey, C. M. | Burton, Colonel H. W. | Crookshank, Cpt. H.(Lindsey, Gainsbro) |
| Barnett, Major Sir Richard | Butler, Sir Geoffrey | Cunliffe, Joseph Herbert |
| Barnston, Major Sir Harry | Butt, Sir Alfred | Curtis-Bennett, Sir Henry |
| Beamish, Captain T. P. H. | Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward | Curzon, Captain Viscount |
| Beckett, Sir Gervase | Caine, Gordon Hall | Dalkeith, Earl of |
| Bellairs. Commander Carlyon W. | Campbell, E. T. | Davidson, J.(Hertf'd, Hemel Hempst'd) |
| Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) | Cassels, J. D. | Davidson, Major-General Sir J. H. |
| Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith) | Cautley, Sir Henry S. | Davies, Dr. Vernon |
| Betterton, Henry B. | Cazalet, Captain Victor A. | Dean, Arthur Wellesley |
| Birchall, Major j. Dearman | Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) | Dixey, A. C. |
| Bird, E, R. (Yorks, W. R., Skipton) | Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton | Doyle, Sir N. Grattan |
| Bird, Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W.) | Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) | Drewe, C. |
| Blades, Sir George Rowland | Chilcott, Sir Warden | Duckworth John |
| Blundell, F. N. | Christie, J. A. | Edmondson, Major A. J. |
| Bourne, Captain Robert Croft | Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer | Edwards, John H. (Accrington) |
| Bowater, Sir T. Vansittart | Churchman, Sir Arthur C. | Elliot, Captain Walter E. |
| Bowyer, Capt. G. E. W. | Clarry, Reginald George | Elveden, Viscount |
| Boyd-Carpenter, Major A. | Clayton, G. C. | England, Colonel A. |
| Brass, Captain W. | Cobb, Sir Cyril | Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) |
| Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith | Jackson, Sir H. (Wandsworth, Cen'l) | Radford, E. A. |
| Evans, Captain A. (Cardiff, South) | Jacob, A. E. | Raine, W. |
| Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.) | Jephcott, A. R. | Rees, Sir Beddoe |
| Everard, W. Lindsay | Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) | Reid, Capt. A. S. C. (Warrington) |
| Fairfax, Captain J. G. | Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) | Remer, J. R. |
| Falle, Sir Bertram G. | Kidd. J. (Linlithgow) | Remnant, Sir James |
| Fanshawe, Commander G. D. | King, Captain Henry Douglas | Rentoul, G. S, |
| Fenby, T. D. | Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement | Rhys, Hon. C. A. U. |
| Fermoy, Lord | Knox, Sir Alfred | Rice, Sir Frederick |
| Fielden, E. B. | Lamb, J. Q. | Roberts, E. H. G. (Flint) |
| Finburgh, S. | Lane-Fox, Colonel George R. | Roberts, Samuel (Hereford, Hereford) |
| Fleming, D. p. | Lister, Cunliffe, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip | Robinson, Sir T. (Lanes., Stretford) |
| Forestier-Walker, Sir L. | Little, Dr. E. Graham | Ruggles-Brise, Major E. A. |
| Forrest, W. | Lloyd, Cyril E. (Dudley) | Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) |
| Foster, Sir Harry S. | Locker-Lampson, Com. O. (Handtw'th) | Rye, F. G. |
| Foxcroft, Captain C. T. | Loder, J. de V. | Salmon, Major I. |
| Fraser, Captain Ian | Looker, Herbert William | Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) |
| Frece, Sir Walter de | Lord, Walter Greaves- | Samuel. Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney) |
| Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. | Lougher, L. | Sandeman A. Stewart |
| Gadie, Lieut.-Colonel Anthony | Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Vere | Sanderson, Sir Frank |
| Galbraith, J. F. W. | Luce, Major-Gen. Sir Richard Harman | Sanderson, Sir Frank |
| Ganzoni, Sir John | Lynn, Sir R. J. | Sandon, Lord |
| Gates, Percy | Mac Andrew, Charles Glen | Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D. |
| Gault, Lieut.-Col. Andrew Hamilton | Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) | Savery, S. S. |
| Gee, Captain R. | McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus | Shaw, Capt. W. W. (Wilts, Westb'y) |
| Gibbs, Col. Rt. Hon. George Abraham | Macintyre, Ian | Sheffield, Sir Berkeley |
| Gilmour, Colonel Rt. Hon. Sir John | McLean, Major A. | Shepperson, E. W. |
| Goff, Sir Park | Macmillan, Captain H. | Skelton, A. N. |
| Gower, Sir Robert | Macnaghten, Hon. Sir Malcolm | Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.) |
| Grace, John | McNeill, Rt. Hon. Ronald John | Smith-Carington, Neville W. |
| Grant, J. A. | Macquisten, F. A. | Somerville, A. A. (Windsor) |
| Greene, W. p. Crawford | MacRobert, Alexander M. | Spender Clay, Colonel H. |
| Gretton, Colonel John | Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel- | Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westm'eland) |
| Grotrian, H. Brent | Malone, Major p. B. | Steel, Major Samuel Strang |
| Hacking, Captain Douglas H. | Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn | Storry Deans, R. |
| Hall. Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) | Margesson, Captain D. | Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H. |
| Hall, Vice-Admiral Sir R. (Eastbourne) | Marriott, Sir.I. A. R. | Stuart, Crichton-, Lord C. |
| Hall, Capt. W. D'A. (Brecon & Rad.) | Meller, R. J. | Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn) |
| Hamilton, Sir H. (Orkney t Shetland) | Merriman, F. B. | Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser |
| Hammersiey, S. S. | Milne, J. S. Wardlaw | Sugden, Sir Wilfrid |
| Hanbury, C. | Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark) | Sykes, Major-Gen. Sir Frederick H. |
| Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry | Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M. | Thompson, Luke (Sunderland) |
| Harland, A. | Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) | Thomson. F. C. (Aberdeen, South) |
| Harmsworth, Hon. E. C (Kent) | Moore, Sir Newton J. | Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell- |
| Harris, Percy A. | Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C. | Thomson, Trevelyan (Middlesbro). W.) |
| Harrison, G. J. C. | Moreing, Captain A. H. | Tinne, J. A. |
| Hartington, Marquess of | Morrison, H. (Wilts, Salisbury) | Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement |
| Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) | Murchison, C. K. | Waddington, R. |
| Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) | Neville, R. J. | Wallace, Captain D. E. |
| Hawke, John Anthony | Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) | Ward, Lt.-Col. A. L.(Kingston-on-Hull) |
| Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M. | Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge) | Warner, Brigadier-General W. W. |
| Henderson, Lieut.-Col. V. L. (Bootle) | Nicholson, O. (Westminster) | Waterhouse, Captain Charles |
| Hensage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P | Nield, Rt. Hon. Sir Herbert | Watson, Sir F. (Pudsey and Otley) |
| Henn, Sir Sydney H. | Nuttall, Ellis | Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle) |
| Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) | Oakley, T. | Watts, Dr. T. |
| Herbert, S. (York, N.R., Scar. & Wh'by) | O'Connor, T. J. (Bedford, Luton) | Wells, S. R. ' |
| Hilton. Cecil | O'Neill, Major Rt. Hon. Hugh | Wheler, Major Sir Granville C. H. |
| Moare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. | Oman, Sir Charles William C. | Wiggins, William Martin |
| Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D.(St. Marylebone) | Owen, Major G. | Wilson, R (Stafford, Licffield) |
| Holland, Sir Arthur | Pennefather, Sir John | Winby, Colonel L. P. |
| Holt, captain H. P. | Penny, Frederick George | Windsor-Clive. Lieut.-Colonel George |
| Homan C. W. J. | Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) | Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl |
| Hope, Capt. A. O.J. (Warw'k, Nun.) | Perkins, Colonel E. K. | Wise, Sir Fredric |
| Hopkins, J. W.W. | Perring, William George | Wolmer, Viscount |
| Mopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) | Peto, Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) | Womersley, W. J. |
| Howard, Captain Hon. Donald | Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome) | Wood, B. C. (Somerset, Bridgwater) |
| Howard, Captain Hon. Donald | Philipson, Mabel | Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'dge & Hyde) |
| Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) | Pielou, D. P. | Wood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, West) |
| Hudson, R.S. (Cumberl'nd, Whiteh'n) | Plicher, G. | Woodcock, Colonel H. C. |
| Hume, Sir G. H. | Pilditch, Sir Philip | Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T. |
| Hurst Gerald B. | Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton | |
| Hutchison, G. A. Clark (Midl'n & P'bl's) | Preston, William | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
| Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. | Price, Major C. W. M. | Major Hennessy and Lord Stanley. |
| Jackson, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. H. S. |
§ Colonel WEDGWOODI beg to move, in page 7, line 11, after the word "description," to insert the word "extent."
I move this Amendment formally because we do not wish to sit up late to- 1078 night, and we would like to come to an arrangement as soon as possible. I should point out, however, that it is desirable that there should be some definite figures given on the demand note, as to the areas involved, and where 1079 these odd pieces of land assessable to rates are, and it is essential in certain cases that the extent should be added to the figures on the demand note.
Mr. CHAMBERLAINI appreciate the desire of the right hon. Gentleman not to sit up late to-night, and as soon as we come to Clause 23 we can adjourn. In reference to the Amendment, the purpose which the right hon. Gentleman has in mind will be fully covered by an Amendment in the name of my hon.
§
Friend the Member for Cambridge (Sir D. Newton) to insert the words
and such description thereof as may be proscribed.
§ What we want to do is to put in sufficient details to enable the hereditaments to be fully identified, but not to impose on the rating authorities greater expense than is necessary.
§ Question put, "That the word 'extent' be there inserted in the Bill."
§ The House divided: Ayes, 108; Noes, 312.
1081| Division No. 391.] | AYES. | [10.45 p.m. |
| Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) | Guest, Dr. L. Haden (Southwark, N.) | Salter, Dr. Alfred |
| Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) | Hall, F. (York, W. B., Normanton) | Scrymgeour, E. |
| Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro) | Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) | Scurr, John |
| Attlee, Clement Richard | Hardie, George D. | Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston) |
| Baker, J. (Wolverhampton, Bilston) | Hartshorn, Ht. Hon. Vernon | Shiels, Dr. Drummond |
| Baker, Walter | Hayday, Arthur | Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) |
| Barker. G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) | Hayes, John Henry | Sitch, Charles H. |
| Barnes A. | Henderson, Right Hon. A. (Burnley) | Smillie, Robert |
| Barr, J | Henderson, T. (Glasgow) | Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe) |
| Batey, Joseph | Hirst, G. H. | Smith, Rennie (Penistone) |
| Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith) | Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) | Snell, Harry |
| Briant, Frank | Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) | Spoor, Rt. Hon. Benjamin Charles |
| Broad, F. A. | Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) | Stephen, Campbell |
| Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) | John, William (Rhondda, West) | Taylor, R. A. |
| Buchanan, G. | Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) | Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow) |
| Cape, Thomas | Kelly, W. T. | Thurtle, E. |
| Charleton, H. C. | Kennedy, T. | Tinker, John Joseph |
| Clowes, S. | Lansbury, George | Townend, A. E. |
| Cluse, W. S. | Lawson, John James | Varley, Frank B. |
| Compton, Joseph | Lee, F. | Viant, S. P. |
| Connolly, M. | Lindley, F. W. | Walsh, Rt. Hon. Stephen |
| Cove, W. G. | Lowth, T. | Warne, G. H. |
| Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) | Lunn, William | Watson, W. M. (Dumfermilne) |
| Dalton, Hugh | Mackinder, W. | Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda) |
| Day, Colonel Harry | Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan) | Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney |
| Dennison, R. | March, S. | Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. Josiah |
| Duncan, C. | Murnin, H. | Westwood, J. |
| Dunnico, H. | Naylor, T. E. | Whiteley, W. |
| Gibbins, Joseph | Oilver, George Harold | Williams, David (Swansea, East) |
| Gillett, George M. | Palin, John Henry | Williams, T. (York, Don Valley) |
| Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) | Ponsonby, Arthur | Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow) |
| Greenall, T. | Potts, John S. | Windsor, Walter |
| Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) | Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) | Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton) |
| Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) | Riley, Ben | |
| Griffiths. T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) | Ritson, J. | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— |
| Groves, T. | Robinson, W. C. (Yorks, W.R., Elland) | Ma. Alien Parkinson and Mr. |
| Grundy, T. W. | Rose, Frank H. | Charles Edwards. |
| Guest, J. (York, Hemsworth) | ||
| NOES. | ||
| Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel | Bird, Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W.) | Butler, Sir Geoffrey |
| Agg-Gardner, Fit. Hon. Sip James T. | Blades, Sir George Rowland | Butt, Sir Alfred |
| Albery, Irving James | Blundell, F. N. | Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward |
| Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) | Bourne, Captain Robert Croft | Caine, Gordon Hall |
| Allen, J. Sandeman (L'pool, W. Derby) | Bowater, Sir T. Vansittart | Campbell, E. T. |
| Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M.S. | Bowyer, Captain G. E. W. | Cassels, J. D. |
| Applin, Colonel R. V. K. | Boyd-Carpenter, Major A. | Cautley, Sir Henry S. |
| Apsley, Lord | Brass, Captain W. | Cazalet, Captain Victor A. |
| Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. | Brassey, Sir Leonard | Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) |
| Atholl, Duchess of | Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive | Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton |
| Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley | Briscoe, Richard George | Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) |
| Balfour, George (Hampstead) | Brocklebank, C. E. R. | Chilcott, Sir Warden |
| Barclay-Harvey, C. M. | Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. | Christie, J. A. |
| Barnett, Major sir Richard | Broun-Lindsay, Major H. | Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer |
| Barnston, Major Sir Harry | Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) | Churchman, Sir Arthur C. |
| Beamish, Captain T. P. H. | Brown, Brig.-Gen. H.C.(Berks, Newb'y) | Clarry, Reginald George |
| Beckett, Sir Gervase (Leeds, N.) | Buckingham, Sir H. | Clayton, G. C. |
| Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W. | Bull, Rt. Hon. Sir William James | Cobb, Sir Cyril |
| Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) | Bullock, Captain M. | Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. |
| Betterton, Henry B. | Burgoyne, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Alan | Cockerill, Brigadier-General G. K. |
| Birchall, Major J. Dear-man | Burman, J. B. | Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips |
| Bird, E. R. (Yorks, W. R., Skipton) | Burton, Colonel H. W. | Collins, Sir Godfrey (Greenock) |
| Conway, Sir W. Martin | Hogg. Rt. Hon. Sir D.(St. Marylebone) | Pilditen, Sir Philip |
| Cooper, A. Duff | Holland, Sir Arthur | Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton |
| Cope, Major William | Holt, Captain H. P. | Preston, William |
| Couper, J. B. | Homan, C. W. J. | Price, Major C. W. M. |
| Courtauld, Major J. S. | Hope, Capt. A. O. J. (Warw'k, Nun.) | Radford, E. A. |
| Craik, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry | Hopkins, J. W. W. | Raine, W. |
| Crawfurd, H. E. | Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) | Rawson, Alfred Cooper |
| Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) | Hore-Belisha, Leslie | Rees, Sir Beddoe |
| Crookshank, Cpt. H.(Lindsey, Gainsbro) | Howard, Captain Hon. Donald | Reid, Capt. A. S. C. (Warrington) |
| Cunliffe, Joseph Herbert | Hudson, Capt-A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) | Remer, J. B. |
| Curtis-Bennett, Sir Henry | Hudson, R. S. (Cumberl'nd, Whiteh'n) | Remnant, Sir James |
| Curzon, Captain Viscount | Hume, Sir G. H. | Rentoul, G. S. |
| Dalkeith Earl of | Hurs Gerald B. | Rhys, Hon C. A. U. |
| Davidson, J.(Hertfd, Hemel Hempst'd) | Hutchison, G. A. Clark (Midl'n & P'bl's) | Rice, Sir Frederick |
| Davidson, Major-General Sir J. H. | Inskip Sir G. H. Thomas Walker H. | Roberts, E. H. G. (Flint) |
| Davies Dr Vernon | Jackson, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. F. S. | Roberts, Samuel (Hereford Hereford) |
| Dean Arthur Wellesley | Jackson, Sir H. (Wandsworth, Cen'l) | Robinson, Sir T. (Lanes, Stretford) |
| Dixey, A. C. | Jacob, A. E. | Ruggles-Brise, Major E. A. |
| Doyle, A. C. N Grattan | Jephcott, A. R. | Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) |
| Drewe C | Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) | Rye, F. G. |
| Duckworth John | Kennedy, A. H. (Preston) | Salmon, Major I. |
| Edmondson, Major A. J. | Kidd, J. (Linlithgow) | Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) |
| Edwards, John H. (Accrington) | King, Captain Henry Douglas | Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney) |
| Elliot Cantain Waiter E. | Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement | Sandeman, A. Stewart |
| Elveden Viscount | Knox, Sir Alfred | Sanders, Sir Robert A. |
| England, Colonel A. | Lamp, J. Q. | Sanderson, Sir Frank |
| Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith | Lane-Fox, Colonel George R. | Sandon, Lord |
| Evans, Captain A. (Cardiff South) | Lister, Cunliffe, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip | Sassoon. Sir Philip Albert Gustave D. |
| Evans, Captain A. (Cardiff, South) | Little, Dr. E. Graham | Savery, S. S. |
| Evans, W. Lindsay | Lloyd, Cyril E. (Dudley) | Shaw, Capt. W. W. (Wilts, Westb'y) |
| Fairfax, Captain J. G. | Locker-Lampson, Com. O.(Handsw'th) | Sheffield, Sir Berkeley |
| Falle, Sir Bertram G. | Loder, Herbert William | Shepperson, E. W. |
| Fanshawe, Commander G. D. | Skelton, A. N. | |
| Fenby T. D. | Lord, Walter Greaves- | Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.) |
| Fermoy Lord | Lougher, L. | Smith-Carigton, Neville W. |
| Fielden, E. B. | Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Vere | Somerville, A. A. (Windsor) |
| Finburgh S. | Luce, Major-Gen. Sir Richard Harman | Spender Clay, Colonel H. |
| Fleming, D. P. | Lynn, Sir R. J. | Stanley, Lord (Fylde) |
| Forestier-Walker, Sir L. | MacAndrew, Charles Glen | Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westm'eland) |
| Forrest, W. | Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W) | Steel, Major Samuel Strang |
| Foster, Sir Harry S. | McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus | Storry Deans, R. |
| Foxcroft, Captain C. T. | Macintyre, Ian | Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H. |
| Fraser, Captain Ian | McLean, Major A. | Stuart, Crichton-, Lord C. |
| Frece, Sir Walter de | Macmillan, Captain H. | Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn) |
| Fremantle, Lt.-Col. Francis E. | McNeill, Rt. Hon. Ronald John | Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser |
| Gadie, Lieut.-Col. Anthony | Macquisten, F. A. | Sugden, Sir Wilfrid |
| Galbraith, J. F. W. | MacRobert, Alexander M. | Sykes, Major-Gen. Sir Frederick H |
| Ganzoni Sir John | Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel- | Thompson, Luke (Sunderland) |
| Gates, Percy | Malone, Major P. B. | Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South) |
| Geult, Lieut.-Col. Andrew Hamilton | Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn | Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell- |
| Gee, Captain R. | Marriott, Sir J. A. R. | Thomson, Trevelyan (Middlesbro. W.) |
| Gibbs, Col. Rt. Hon. George Abraham | Meller, R. J. | Tinne, J. A. |
| Gilmour Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John | Merriman, F. B. | Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement |
| Goff, Sir Park | Milne, J. S. Wardlaw- | Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P. |
| Gower, Sir Robert | Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark) | Waddington, R. |
| Grace, John | Moles, Thomas | Wallace, Captain D. E. |
| Grant, J. A. | Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M. | Ward, Lt.-Col. A. L.(Kingston-on-Hull) |
| Greene, W. P. Crawford | Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) | Warner, Brigadier-General W. W. |
| Gretton, Colonel John | Moore, Sir Newton J. | Waterhouse, Captain Charles |
| Grotrian, H. Brent | Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C. | Watson, Sir F. (Pudsey and Otley) |
| Hacking, Captain Douglas H. | Morrison, H. (Wilts, Salisbury) | Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle) |
| Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) | Murchison, C. K. | Watts. Dr. T. |
| Hall, Vice-Admiral Sir R. (Eastbourne) | Nail, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Joseph | Wells, S. R. |
| Hall, Capt. W. D'A. (Brecon & Rad.) | Neville, R. J. | Wheler, Major Sir Granville C. H. |
| Hamilton, sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) | Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) | White Lieut.-Colonel G. Dairymple |
| Hammersley, S. S. | Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge) | Wiggins, William Martin |
| Hanbury, C. | Nicholson, O. I Westminster) | Wilson, R. R. (Stafford, Lichfield) |
| Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry | Nield, Rt. Hon. Sir Herbert | Winby, Colonel L. P. |
| Harland A. | Nuttall, Ellis | Windsor-dive, Lieut.-Colonel George |
| Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent) | Oakley, T. | Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl |
| Harris Percy A. | O'Connor, T. J. (Bedford, Luton) | Wise, Sir Fredric |
| Harrison, G. J. C. | O'Neill, Major Rt. Hon. Hugh | Wolmer, Viscount |
| Hartington Marquess of | Oman, Sir Charles William C. | Womersley, W. J. |
| Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) | Owen, Major G. | Wood, B. C. (Somerset, Bridgwater) |
| Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) | Pennefather, Sir John | Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'ge & Hyde) |
| Hawke, John Anthony | Penny, Frederick George | Wood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, West) |
| Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M. | Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) | Wood, Sir S. Hill- (High Peak) |
| Henderson, Lieut.-Col. V. L. (Bootle) | Perkins, Colonel E. K. | Woodcock, Colonel H. C. |
| Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. | Perring, William George | Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T. |
| Henn, Sir Sydney H. | Peto, Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) | |
| Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) | Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
| Herbert, S. (York, N.R., Scar. & Wh'by) | Phillpson, Mabel | Major Hennessy and Captain |
| Hilton, Cecil | Pielou, D. P. | Margesson. |
| Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. | Pilcher, G. |
§ Sir D. NEWTONI beg to move, in page 7, line 12, at the end, to insert the words
and such description thereof as may be prescribed.This is a consequential Amendment and I do not wish to weary the House, but in order that the House may be spared the infliction of any semi-humorous remarks as to the genesis of this Amendment, I feel it my duty to add that it was inspired by the Association of Municipal Corporations.
§ Lieut.-Colonel HENEAGEI beg to second the Amendment.
§ Colonel WEDGWOODI have no idea, and I suppose nobody in the House has any idea, of the description which is to be prescribed, and before we put in these words it would be only fair to the ratepayers that we should have some idea of the description which is going to be used. It is all very well to hand everything over to the bureaucracy of this country. That view is most popular with the Tory party, but it is not shared by the electorate or the ratepayers. It would be desirable to have information as to what form of description is to be put on these demand papers. Is it going to be clearly stated under which heading in Schedule II the property is to come, so that a man may be able to check the figure at which ho is assessed? The fact this Bill is so complicated makes it essential that we should protect the interests of the person who is rated, and I think it unwise to leave everything to the Ministry. We are therefore justified in asking either the Minister or his chief supporter to give us further information on what is to be printed.
Mr. CHAMBERLAINThe difficulty with the right hon. and gallant Gentleman is that not only is his curiosity insatiable, but he never listens to the answers which are given. I have already given the answer to this question, but I will repeat it in the hope that, this time. it may reach his ears.
§ Colonel WEDGWOODIt is not possible for everybody to be permanently in the House listening to all the right hon. Gentleman's statements.
Mr. CHAMBERLAINI understood the right hon. and gallant Gentleman was in the House when I gave the answer. I 1084 repeat now that the intention is to consult with the local authorities, and to see what in their opinion is the minimum amount of information that it is necessary to put upon the demand note. We ought to take care to avoid asking the local authorities to put on any matter which is not really necessary and the insertion of which would constitute a heavy charge upon the ratepayers. I do not know whether the right hon. and gallant Gentleman has any care for the interests of the ratepayers, but we are extremely anxious that this Bill should not, unnecessarily, put any extra burden upon the ratepayers. It is in order that we may have an opportunity of discussing this matter at greater length with the local authorities that the words put down by my hon. Friend the Mover have been accepted by me in this particular form. Obviously, the words "such description as may be prescribed," mean that you are not ready to state the information in detail at this moment. The right hon. and gallant Gentleman asks that we should state exactly what we are going to do, but that would be better done when we have an opportunity of discussing the matter fully with those who are familiar with all the facts.
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§ Mr. A. V. ALEXANDERFirst of all, the very inquiry my right hon. Friend put in was that they may have the chance of knowing exactly which Schedule of the Bill referred to the particular claim for rates sent in. The right hon. Gentleman has carefully refrained, in his reply, from saying whether the conversations with the representatives of local authorities are going to take place in the immediate future, and whether, as a consequence, he will be able to prescribe, when the Bill goes to another place, exactly what is to be put on the demand note. It seems to me, from the way in which he put the matter to the House, that it ought to be perfectly within the competence of his Department to conclude the discussions with the local authorities in order that the Amendment may be secured before the Bill receives the Royal Assent, and I hope, before we leave this Amendment, he will be able to assure the House that that will be done.
§ Mr. VARLEYI rise to express the hope that the prescribed words will not be so narrow as those outlined by the 1085 Minister. I was sorry he so readily accepted the withdrawal of the word "description," because I had pictured some clerk in the employment of a rating authority bringing home to some landlord at least once a year what other people thought about the state of his property.
§ Captain WEDGWOOD BENNThe difficulty with this Bill is that it has enjoyed more than its full share of discussion. It has had the, ordinary Second Reading and Committee stages, and then there was interpolated a private Parliament of the right hon. Gentleman's own supporters, who were highly pleased, no doubt, with the explanations he gave, and it is not unusual for the Members of the other and older Parliament to ask for explanations from him when the Bill comes down in due course. That is the origin of most of the difficulties, and I think the right hon. Gentleman would have been better advised if he had put his name to the Amendments he intended to accept. It is impossible for us to know beforehand which Amendments he will accept, and when they are described in quite harmless language by the right hon. Gentleman above the Gangway it gives offence to the party opposite. The request made by the right hon. Gentleman on the Front Opposition Bench that what is going to be prescribed should be clearly stated is obviously in accordance with ordinary Parliamentary usage. When power to make regulations is given in an Act of Parliament, as a rule the draft regulations are laid before the House before the Bill passes out of control of the House.
Mr. CHAMBERLAINNot before the Bill passes out from the purview of the House. The rules are generally prescribed to be laid on the Table of the House, and that is done in this Bill. Whatever is prescribed there, is prescribed there in acordance with the Rules, as will be seen by reference to Clause 59 of the Bill.
§ Captain BENNDoes the right hon. Gentleman say that the description required is going to be under the control of the House of Commons, so that the Members will be able to move to disagree?
§ Captain BENNIf that be so, I think that is satisfactory.
§ Amendment agreed to.
§ Sir D. NEWTONI beg to move, in page 7, line 13, to leave out the words "gross and."
This should be read in conjunction with the other Amendments just accepted by the House, and it would have the effect of reducing the cost of the preparation of the demand note. Existing demand notes do not contain the information, and no complaints or difficulties have thereby arisen. I feel, and I think the House will probably feel, that what the ratepayer wants to know is the rateable value of his property, and to give this further information twice, and sometimes four times a year, would be an unnecessary expense, and would not be either expected or desired by the average ratepayer who can obtain all the information by going to see the rate book, and he could do so without having to pay any charge for that inspection. Therefore, I do feel that his interests are amply safeguarded without the insertion of these words.
§ Mr. WOMERSLEYI beg to second the Amendment.
§ Colonel WEDGWOODI gather from what I have heard outside the Chamber that this Amendment has also been accepted, if not inspired, by the Government. Here we have an Amendment which is reversing the decision of the Committee taken after considerable debate. While I think there was some force in the right hon. Gentleman's argument that "description" was too vague, and that it would be better to have "prescribed," yet here, where it is a question of the insertion of the gross rateable value of property, I think we are on absolutely safe and sound ground. The. hon. Gentleman says that he is actuated in cutting those words out by the desire to save the money of the ratepayers, but we have something more to consider even than that, and that is the interests of the ratepayer. Under this Bill, there is a vast new number of deductions from gross value in order to arrive at net value, and then, again, from net value in order to arrive at rateable value. Unless there is on the demand note carefully stated both the gross and the net rateable value, I do 1087 not see how you will be able to show a particular ratepayer, or how that ratepayer can determine, at what his property is rated.
No doubt, if the ordinary ratepayer consulted the valuation roll, he would be able to discover at what his property was assessed, but I should imagine I, in company with most hon. Members present, always judge what their property is assessed at from the note they get from the local authority with the demand for the rates, and if in future you are going to omit from the demand note the gross rateable value at the time when the net rateable value bears to the gross a variable ratio dependent upon the sort of property it is, it is most undesirable that we should leave out this gross rateable value, and leave the ratepayer in complete darkness as to the figure at which his property is rated. For all these reasons, I hope the right hon. Gentleman will consider not merely the financial interest of the local authority and the time and expense in filling in the gross value, but will consider also the interests of the ratepayers, who have a perfect right to know at what figure they are being taxed. I am quite certain, if it were put, not to Members of this House, but to the ordinary ratepayer in the country he would be overwhelmingly in favour of the Clause as it stands. In order that the ratepayers may see and know what their property is assessed at, I beg the House to retain the Bill as it is and as it was when it left the Committee, and leave us these safeguarding words so that the ratepayer may be safeguarded in that to which he is perfectly entitled.
§ out for maintenance of gross value. The right hon. Gentleman says that the ratepayers should be safeguarded, or otherwise they cannot be sure as to the value at which they are assessed. If we go to the Second Schedule, Part I, hon. Members who have any doubt about the various values will, I think, see what is necessary. It must also be remembered that there is a revaluation every five years, and the ratepayer does not want to be continually finding out what is his gross value. On all the grounds I have stated there is no case really to be made out, and, after this explanation. I hope it will not be necessary to divide the House.
§ Mr. CECIL WILSONThere is in Part I of the Second Schedule, Paragraph (2), dealing with houses and buildings without land other than gardens, where the gross value exceeds £20 but does not exceed £40, where the amount of the deduction is £7, or an amount equal to 25 per cent. of the gross value, whichever is the greater; and there is Paragraph (3) which follows where 20 per cent. is taken off. There seems some need for an explanation of the difference between the two cases.
Mr. CHAMBERLAINBy leave of the House I may perhaps say that the point is one that I thought I had made clear. The ratepayer can always go to the valuation list and see which part of his hereditament is concerned, but it is not necessary to have the information put on the demand note every six months.
§ Question put, "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Bill."
§ The House divided: Ayes. 104: Noes, 303.
1091| Division No. 392.] | AYES | [11.17 p.m. |
| Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) | Connolly, M. | Guest, J. (York, Hemsworth) |
| Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) | Cove, W. G. | Guest, Dr. L. Haden (Southwark, N.) |
| Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') | Dalton, Hugh | Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) |
| Attlee, Clement Richard | Davies, Evan (Ebbw Vale) | Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) |
| Baker, Walter | Day, Colonel Harry | Hardie, George D. |
| Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) | Dennison, R. | Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon |
| Barnes, A. | Duncan, C. | Hayday, Arthur |
| Barr, J. | Dunnico, H. | Henderson, Right Hon. A. (Burnley) |
| Batey, Joseph | Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) | Henderson, T. (Glasgow) |
| Briant, Frank | Gibbins, Joseph | Hirst, G. H. |
| Broad, F. A. | Gillett, George M. | Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) |
| Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) | Graham. D M. (Lanark, Hamilton) | Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) |
| Cape, Thomas | Greenall, T. | Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) |
| Charleton, H. C. | Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) | John, William (Rhondda, West) |
| Clowes, S. | Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) | Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) |
| Cluse, W. S. | Groves, T. | Kelly, W. T. |
| Compton, Joseph | Grundy, T. W. | Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) |
| Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M. | Ritson, J. | Varley, Frank B. |
| Lansbury, George | Robinson, W. C. (Yorks, W. R., Elland) | Viant, S. P. |
| Lawson, John James | Rose, Frank H. | Walsh, Rt. Hon. Stephen |
| Lee, F. | Scrymgeour, E. | Warne, G. H. |
| Lindley, F. W. | Scurr, John | Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline) |
| Lunn, William | Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston) | Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda) |
| MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R.(Aberavon) | Shiels, Dr. Drummond | Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney |
| Mackinder, W. | Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) | Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. Josiah |
| Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan) | Sitch, Charles H. | Westwood, J. |
| March, S. | Smillie, Robert | Whiteley, W. |
| Mitchell, E. Rosslyn (Paisley) | Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe) | Williams, David (Swansea, East) |
| Murnin, H. | Smith, Rennie (Penistone) | Williams, T. (York, Don Valley) |
| Naylor, T. E. | Snell, Harry | Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe) |
| Oliver, George Harold | Spoor, Rt. Hon. Benjamin Charles | Wilton, R. J. (Jarrow) |
| Palin, John Henry | Taylor, R. A. | Windsor, Walter |
| Ponsonby, Arthur | Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow) | |
| Potts, John S. | Thurtle, E. | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— |
| Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) | Tinker, John Joseph | Mr. Allen Parkinson and Mr. |
| Riley, Ben | Townend, A. E. | Hayes. |
| NOES. | ||
| Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel | Cope, Major William | Harland, A. |
| Agg-Gardner, Rt. Hon. Sir James T. | Couper, J. B. | Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent) |
| Albery, Irving James | Courtauld, Major J. S. | Harris, Percy A. |
| Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) | Crawfurd, H. E. | Harrison, G. J. C. |
| Allen, J. Sandeman (L'pool, W. Derby) | Crook, C. W. | Hartington, Marquess of |
| Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. | Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) | Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) |
| Applin, Colonel R. V. K. | Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainsbro) | Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) |
| Apsley, Lord | Cunliffe, Joseph Herbert | Hawke, John Anthony |
| Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. | Curtis-Bennett, Sir Henry | Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M. |
| Atholl, Duchess of | Curzon, Captain Viscount | Henderson, Lieut.-Col. V. L. (Bootle) |
| Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley | Dalkeith, Earl of | Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. |
| Balfour, George (Hampstead) | Davidson, J. (Hertf'd, Hemel Hempst'd) | Henn, Sir Sydney H. |
| Banks, Reginald Mitchell | Davidson, Major-General Sir J. H. | Hennessy, Major J. R. G. |
| Barclay-Harvey, C. M. | Davies, Dr. Vernon | Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) |
| Barnett, Major Sir Richard | Dean, Arthur Wellesley | Herbert, S. (York, N. R., Scar. & Wh'by) |
| Beamish, Captain T. P. H. | Dixey, A. C. | Hilton, Cecil |
| Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W. | Doyle, Sir N. Grattan | Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. |
| Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) | Drewe, C. | Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D. (St. Marylebone) |
| Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith) | Duckworth, John | Holland, Sir Arthur |
| Betterton, Henry B. | Edmondson, Major A. J. | Holt, Captain H. P. |
| Birchall, Major J. Dearman | Edwards, John H. (Accrington) | Homan, C. W. J. |
| Bird, E. R. (Yorks, W. R., Skipton) | Elliot, Captain Walter E. | Hope, Capt. A. O. J. (Warw'k, Nun.) |
| Bird, Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W.) | England, Colonel A. | Hopkins, J. W. W. |
| Blades, Sir George Rowland | Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) | Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) |
| Blundell, F. N. | Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith | Hore-Belisha, Leslie |
| Bourne, Captain Robert Croft | Evans, Captain A. (Cardiff, South) | Howard, Captain Hon. Donald |
| Bowyer, Captain G. E. W. | Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.) | Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) |
| Boyd-Carpenter, Major A. | Everard, W. Lindsay | Hudson, R. S. (Cumberl'nd, Whiteh'n) |
| Brass, Captain W. | Fairfax, Captain J. G. | Hume, Sir G. H. |
| Brassey, Sir Leonard | Fanshawe, Commander G. D. | Hutchison, G. A. Clark (Midl'n & P'bl's) |
| Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive | Fenby, T. D. | Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. |
| Briscoe, Richard George | Fermoy, Lord | Jackson, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. F. S. |
| Brocklebank, C. E. R. | Fielden, E. B. | Jackson, Sir H. (Wandsworth, Cen'l) |
| Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. J. | Finburgh, S. | Jacob, A. R. |
| Broun-Lindsay, Major H. | Fleming, D. P. | Jephcott, A. R. |
| Brown, Col. D.C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) | Forestier-Walker, Sir L. | Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) |
| Brown, Brig.- Gen. H. C.(Berks, Newb'y) | Forrest, W. | Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) |
| Buckingham, Sir H. | Foster, Sir Harry S. | Kidd, J. (Linlithgow) |
| Bullock, Captain M. | Foxcroft, Captain C. T. | King, Captain Henry Douglas |
| Burgoyne, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Alan | Fraser, Captain Ian | Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement |
| Burman, J. B. | Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. | Knox, Sir Alfred |
| Burton, Colonel H. W. | Gadie, Lieut.-Col. Anthony | Lamb, J. Q. |
| Butler, Sir Geoffrey | Galbraith, J. F. W. | Lane-Fox, Colonel George R. |
| Butt, Sir Alfred | Ganzoni, Sir John | Lister, Cunliffe, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip |
| Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward | Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. | Little, Dr. E. Graham |
| Campbell, E. T. | Gates, Percy | Lloyd, Cyril E. (Dudley) |
| Cautley, Sir Henry S. | Gault, Lieut.-Col. Andrew Hamilton | Locker-Lampson, Com. O. (Handsw'th) |
| Cazalet, Captain Victor A. | Gee, Captain R. | Loder, J. de V. |
| Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) | Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John | Looker, Herbert William |
| Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton | Goff, Sir Park | Lord, Walter Greaves- |
| Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) | Gower, Sir Robert | Lougher, L. |
| Chilcott, Sir Warden | Grace, John | Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Vere |
| Christie, J. A. | Grant, J. A. | Luce, Major-Gen. Sir Richard Harman |
| Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer | Greene, W. P. Crawford | Lynn, Sir R. J. |
| Clarry, Reginald George | Grotrian, H. Brent | MacAndrew, Charles Glen |
| Clayton, G. C. | Hacking, Captain Douglas H. | Macdonald, Capt. p. D. (I. of W.) |
| Cobb, Sir Cyril | Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) | McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus |
| Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. | Hall, Vice-Admiral Sir R. (Eastbourne) | Macintyre, Ian |
| Cockerill, Brigadier-General G. K. | Hall, Capt. W. D'A. (Brecon & Rad) | MacLaren, Andrew |
| Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips | Hammersley, S. S. | Macmillan, Captain H. |
| Conway, Sir W. Martin | Hanbury, C. | McNeill, Rt. Hon. Ronald John |
| Cooper, A. Duff | Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry | Macquisten, F. A. |
| MacRobert, Alexander M. | Price, Major C. W. M. | Stuart, Crichton-, Lord C. |
| Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel- | Radford, E. A. | Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn) |
| Malone, Major P. B. | Raine, W. | Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser |
| Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn | Rawson, Alfred Cooper | Sugden, Sir Wilfrid |
| Margesson, Captain D. | Rees, Sir Beddoe | Sykes, Major-Gen. Sir Frederick H. |
| Marriott, Sir J. A. R. | Reid, Capt. A. S. C. (Warrington) | Thompson, Luke (Sunderland) |
| Weller, R. J. | Remer, J. R. | Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South) |
| Merriman, F. B. | Remnant, Sir James | Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell- |
| Milne, J. S. Wardlaw | Rentoul, G. S. | Thomson, Trevelyan (Middlesbro, W.) |
| Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark) | Rhys, Hon. C. A. U. | Tinne, J. A. |
| Moles, Thomas | Rice, Sir Frederick | Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement |
| Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M. | Roberts, E. H. G. (Flint) | Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P. |
| Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R.(Ayr) | Roberts, Samuel (Hereford, Hereford) | Waddington, R. |
| Moore, Sir Newton J. | Robinson, Sir T. (Lanes, Stretford) | Wallace, Captain D. E. |
| Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C. | Ruggles-Brise, Major E. A. | Ward, Lt.-Col. A. L.(Kingston-on-Hull) |
| Moreing, Captain A. H. | Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) | Warrender, Sir Victor |
| Morrison, H. (Wilts, Salisbury) | Rye, F. G. | Waterhouse, Captain Charles |
| Murchison, C. K. | Salmon, Major I. | Watson, Sir F. (Pudsey and Otley) |
| Nail, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Joseph | Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) | Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle) |
| Neville, R. J. | Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney) | Watts, Dr. T. |
| Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) | Sandeman, A. Stewart | Wells, S. R. |
| Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge) | Sanders, Sir Robert A. | Wheler, Major Sir Granville C. H. |
| Nicholson, O. (Westminster) | Sanderson, Sir Frank | White, Lieut.-Colonel G. Dairymple |
| Nuttall, Ellis | Sandon, Lord | Wiggins, William Martin |
| Oakley, T. | Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D. | Wilson, R. R. (Stafford, Lichfield) |
| O'Connor, T. J. (Bedford, Luton) | Savery, S. S. | Winby, Colonel L. P. |
| O'Neill, Major Rt. Hon. Hugh | Shaw, Capt. W. W. (Wilts, Westb'y) | Windser-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George |
| Oman, Sir Charles William C. | Sheffield, Sir Berkeley | Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl |
| Owen, Major G. | Shepperson, E. W. | Wise, Sir Fredric |
| Pennefather, Sir John | Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John | Wolmer, Viscount |
| Penny, Frederick George | Skelton, A. N. | Womersley, W. J. |
| Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) | Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.) | Wood, B. C. (Somerset, Bridgwater) |
| Perkins, Colonel E. K. | Smith-Carington, Neville W. | Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'ge & Hyde) |
| Perring, William George | Somerville, A. A. (Windsor) | Wood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, West) |
| Peto, Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) | Spender Clay, Colonel H. | Woodcock, Colonel H. C. |
| Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome) | Stanley, Col. Hon. G. F. (Will'sden, E.) | Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T. |
| Phillpson, Mabel | Stanley, Lord (Fylde) | |
| Pielou, D. P. | Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westm'eland) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
| Pilcher, G. | Steel, Major Samuel Strang | Colonel Gibbs and Major Sir |
| Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton | Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H. | Harry Barnston. |
| Preston, William |
Mr. CHAMBERLAINI beg to move, in page 7, line 35, to leave out the word "authorities," and to insert instead thereof the word "authority."
This is purely a drafting Amendment, to correct a printing error.
§ Amendment agreed to.
§ Colonel WEDGWOODI beg to move, "That further Consideration of the Bill, as amended, be now adjourned."
I take advantage of the Prime Minister's presence to make this Motion. I do not know what the intentions of the Government are, but, as we have three days for the consideration of this Bill, I hope we shall not be sitting till about two o'clock in the morning, with the inconvenience of not being in a fit state to conduct the Bill to-morrow, and also starting the week badly—I may add, quite unnecessarily. I observe that we have now finished Clause 7. When this Bill was in Committee, it took eight solid days to get as far as that, and I think the Government may say that they have made sufficient progress for the day. At any rate, if we go on at this pace, the Bill will be passed in a much shorter time than I imagined when it was brought 1092 before the House for the Report stage, because hon. Members must recollect that when a Bill is before a Committee all the new Clauses are taken at the end of the Committee stage, whereas on Report the new Clauses are taken at the beginning. Therefore, we may say that we have now done the equivalent of six days' work in Committee. I submit that in these circumstances we might have the opportunity of getting home to bed, instead of trying to legislate at this hour of the night.
§ Mr. SPEAKERI feel a little doubtful whether I ought to accept this Motion, seeing that the House ordered the Eleven o'Clock Rule to be suspended, and I hope that, if I do allow it, the House will take its decision quickly, whatever it may be. Otherwise, I shall have to be very careful about accepting such a Motion.
§ The PRIME MINISTER (Mr. Baldwin)I rise to answer the question submitted to me by the Leader of the Opposition. It is quite true, as he said, that considerable time was taken on the Committee stage, which seems to me to be an admirable reason why we should 1093 take much less time on Report. As a matter of fact, it never was our intention to ask the House to sit unduly late to-night. It is important that we should get to bed; it is equally important that we should get home for Christmas. I do not propose to ask the House to sit later than about half-past twelve to-night, and I hope very much that by that time we may make substantial progress, and may be enabled also to get to bed at a reasonable hour on the other nights.
§ Mr. LANSBURYI do not intend to depart from your desire, Mr. Speaker, that we should not debate this Motion for very long. But the decision of the Prime Minister raises the whole question of the business of this Session. He says it is important that we should get home for Christmas. That is perfectly certain; we all want to get home for Christmas. But there is no reason why the House should break up a week before Christmas
§ and then adjourn until six weeks after Christmas. One reason why I feel inclined not to facilitate the getting through of a Bill of this kind is that the Government are making no provision whatsoever to deal with what I consider is a very much more important question, and I object very strongly to the notion that, because it has been the custom that this House should have months and months of holiday during the year, we should continue to do that in face of the fact that the House ought to be sitting down to the task of finding out how to deal with a subject that always at election times we say is important, namely, the great problem of unemployment.
§ Question put, "That further Consideration of the Bill, as amended, be now adjourned."
§ The House divided: Ayes, 102; Noes, 276.
1095| Division No. 393.] | AYES. | [11.30 p.m. |
| Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (File, West) | Grundy, T. W. | Ritson, J. |
| Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) | Guest, J. (York, Hemsworth) | Scrymgeour, E. |
| Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') | Guest, Dr. L. Haden (Southwark, N.) | Scurr, John |
| Attlee, Clement Richard | Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) | Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston) |
| Baker, Walter | Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) | Shiels, Dr. Drummond |
| Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillary) | Hardie, George D. | Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) |
| Barnes, A. | Hartington, Marquess of | Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John |
| Barr, J. | Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon | Sitch, Charles H. |
| Batey, Joseph | Hayday, Arthur | Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe) |
| Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith) | Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Burnley) | Snell, Harry |
| Briant, Frank | Hirst, G. H. | Spoor, Rt. Hon. Benjamin Charles |
| Broad, F. A. | Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) | Taylor, R. A. |
| Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) | Hore-Belisha, Leslie | Thomson, Trevelyan (Middlesbro., W.) |
| Cape, Thomas | Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) | Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow) |
| Charleton, H. C. | Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) | Thurtle, E. |
| Clowes, S. | John, William (Rhondda, West) | Tinker, John Joseph |
| Cluse, W. S. | Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) | Townend, A. E. |
| Collins, Sir Godfrey (Greenock) | Kelly, W. T. | Varley, Frank B. |
| Compton, Joseph | Kennedy, T. | Viant, S. P. |
| Connolly, M. | Lansbury, George | Walsh, Rt. Hon. Stephen |
| Crawfurd, H. E. | Lawson, John James | Warne, G. H. |
| Dalton, Hugh | Lindley, F. W. | Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline) |
| Davies, Evan (Ebbw Vale) | Lunn, William | Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda) |
| Day, Colonel Harry | Mackinder, W. | Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney |
| Dennison, R. | Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan) | Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. Josiah |
| Duncan, C. | March, S. | Westwood, J. |
| Dunnico, H. | Murnin, H. | Whiteley, W. |
| Fenby, T. D. | Naylor, T. E. | Williams, David (Swansea, E.) |
| Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. | Oliver, George Harold | Williams, T. (York, Don Valley) |
| Gibbins, Joseph | Pailn, John Henry | Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow) |
| Gillett, George M. | Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) | Windsor, Walter |
| Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) | Ponsonby, Arthur | |
| Greenall, T. | Potts, John S. | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— |
| Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) | Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) | Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr. |
| Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) | Riley, Ben | Hayes. |
| Groves, T. | ||
| NOES. | ||
| Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel | Ashmead-Bartlett, E. | Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) |
| Agg-Gardner, Rt. Hon. Sir James T. | Atholl, Duchess of | Betterton, Henry B. |
| Albery, Irving James | Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley | Birchall, Major J. Dearman |
| Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) | Balfour, George (Hampstead) | Bird, E. R. (Yorks, W. R., Skipton) |
| Allen, J. Sandeman (L'pool, W. Derby) | Banks, Reginald Mitchell | Bird, Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W.) |
| Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. | Barclay-Harvey, C. M. | Blades, Sir George Rowland |
| Applin, Colonel R. V. K. | Barnett, Major Sir Richard | Blundell, F. N. |
| Apsley, Lord | Beamish, Captain T. P. H. | Bourne, Captain Robert Croft |
| Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. | Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W. | Bowyer, Capt. G. E. W. |
| Brass, Captain W. | Harland, A. | Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) |
| Brassey, Sir Leonard | Harrison, G. J. C. | Perkins, Colonel E. K. |
| Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive | Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) | Perring, William George |
| Briscoe, Richard George | Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) | Peto, Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) |
| Brocklebank, C. E. R. | Hawke, John Anthony | Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome) |
| Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. J. | Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M. | Phillpson, Mabel |
| Broun-Lindsay, Major H. | Heneage, Lieut.-Col. Arthur P. | Pielou, D. P. |
| Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) | Henn, Sir Sydney H. | Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton |
| Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C.(Berks, Newb'y) | Hennessy, Major J. R. G. | Preston, William |
| Buckingham, Sir H. | Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) | Price, Major C. W. M. |
| Bullock, Captain M. | Herbert, S. (York, N.R., Scar. & Wh'by) | Radford, E. A. |
| Burgoyne, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Alan | Hilton, Cecil | Raine, W. |
| Burman, J. B. | Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. | Ramsden, E. |
| Burton, Colonel H. W. | Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D.(St. Marylebone) | Rawson, Alfred Cooper |
| Butler, Sir Geoffrey | Holland, Sir Arthur | Rees, Sir Beddoe |
| Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward | Holt, Captain H. P. | Reid, Capt. A. S. C. (Warrington) |
| Campbell, E. T. | Hope, Capt. A. O. J. (Warw'k, Nun.) | Remer, J. R. |
| Cazalet, Captain Victor A. | Hopkins, J. W. W. | Remnant, Sir James |
| Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) | Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) | Rentoul, G. S. |
| Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton | Howard, Captain Hon. Donald | Rhys, Hon. C. A. U. |
| Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) | Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) | Rice, Sir Frederick |
| Chilcott, Sir Warden | Hudson, R. S. (Cumberl'nd, Whiteh'n) | Roberts, E. H. G. (Flint) |
| Christie, J. A. | Hume, Sir G. H. | Robinson, Sir T. (Lanes., Stretford) |
| Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer | Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. | Ruggles-Brise, Major E. A. |
| Clarry Reginald George | Jackson, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. F. S. | Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) |
| Clayton, G. C. | Jackson, Sir H. (Wandsworth, Cen'l) | Rye, F. G. |
| Cobb, Sir Cyril | Jacob, A. E. | Salmon, Major I. |
| Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. | Jephcott, A. R. | Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney) |
| Cockerill Brigadier-General G. K. | Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) | Sandeman, A. Stewart |
| Conway, Sir W. Martin | Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) | Sanders, Sir Robert A. |
| Cooper, A. Duff | Kidd, J. (Linlithgow) | Sanderson, Sir Frank |
| Cope, Major William | King, Captain Henry Douglas | Sandon, Lord |
| Couper, J. B. | Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement | Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D. |
| Courtauld, Major J. S. | Knox, Sir Alfred | Savery, S. S. |
| Courthope, Lieut.-Col. Sir George L. | Lamb, J. Q. | Shaw, Capt. W. W. (Wilts, Westb'y) |
| Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) | Lane-Fox, Colonel George R. | Sheffield, Sir Berkeley |
| Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainsbro) | Lister, Cunliffe, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip | Shepperson, E. W. |
| Cunliffe, Joseph Herbert | Little, Dr. E. Graham | Skelton, A. N. |
| Curtis-Bennett, Sir Henry | Lloyd, Cyril E. (Dudley) | Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.) |
| Curzon, Captain Viscount | Locker-Lampson, Com. O. (Handsw'th) | Smith-Carington, Neville W. |
| Dalkeith, Earl of | Loder, J. de V. | Spender Clay, Colonel H. |
| Davidson, J.(Hertf'd, Hemel Hempst'd) | Lord, Walter Greaves- | Stanley, Col. Hon. G. F. (Will'sden, E.) |
| Davidson, Major-General Sir J. H. | Lougher, L. | Stanley, Lord (Fylde) |
| Davies Dr. Vernon | Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Vere | Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westm'eland) |
| Dean, Arthur Wellesley | Luce, major-Gen. Sir Richard Harman | Steel, Major Samuel Strang |
| Dixey, A. C. | Lumley, L. R. | Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H. |
| Drewe, C. | MacAndrew, Charles Glen | Stuart, Crichton,- Lord C. |
| Duckworth John | Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) | Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Bairn) |
| Edmondson, Major A. J. | McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus | Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser |
| Edwards, John H. (Accrington) | Macintyre, Ian | Sugden, Sir Wilfrid |
| Elliot, Captain Walter E. | McLean, Major A. | Sykes, Major-Gen. Sir Frederick H. |
| England, Colonel A. | Macmillan, Captain H. | Thompson, Luke (Sunderland) |
| Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) | McNeill, Rt. Hon. Ronald John | Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell- |
| Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith | Macquisten, F. A. | Tinne, J. A. |
| Evans, Captain A. (Cardiff, South) | MacRobert, Alexander M. | Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement |
| Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.) | Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel- | Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P. |
| Everard, W. Lindsay | Malone, Major P. B. | Waddington, R. |
| Fairfax, Captain J. G. | Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn | Wallace, Captain D. E. |
| Fanshawe, Commander G. D. | Margesson, Captain D. | Warner, Brigadier-General W. W. |
| Fermoy, Lord | Marriott, Sir J. A. R. | Waterhouse, Captain Charles |
| Fielden, E. B. | Meller, R. J. | Watson, Sir F. (Pudsey and Otley) |
| Fleming, D. P. | Merriman, F. B. | Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle) |
| Forestier-Walker, Sir L. | Milne, J. S. Wardlaw | Watts, Dr. T. |
| Forrest, W. | Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark) | Wells, S. R. |
| Foxcroft, Captain C. T. | Moles, Thomas | Wheler, Major Sir Granville C. H. |
| Fraser, Captain Ian | Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M. | |
| Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. | Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) | White, Lieut.-Colonel G. Dairymple |
| Gadie, Lieut.-Colonel Anthony | Moore, Sir Newton J. | Wiggins, William Martin |
| Galbraith, J. F. W. | Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C. | Wilson, R. R. (Stafford, Lichfield) |
| Ganzoni, Sir John | Moreing, Captain A. H. | Winby, Colonel L. P. |
| Gates, Percy. | Morrison, H (Wilts, Salisbury) | Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George |
| Gault, Lieut.-Col. Andrew Hamilton | Murchison, C. K. | Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl |
| Gee, Captain R. | Nail, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Joseph | Wise, Sir Fredric |
| Gibbs, Col. Rt. Hon. George Abraham | Neville, R. J. | Wolmer, Viscount |
| Gilmour, Colonel Rt. Hon. Sir John | Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) | Womersley, W. J. |
| Goff, Sir Park | Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge) | Wood, B. C. (Somerset, Bridgwater) |
| Grace, John | Nicholson, O. (Westminster) | Wood, E (Chest'r, Stalyb'dge & Hyde) |
| Greene, W. P. Crawford | Nuttall, Ellis | Wood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, West) |
| Grotrian, H. Brent. | Oakley, T. | Woodcock, Colonel H. C. |
| Hacking, Captain Douglas H. | O'Connor, T. J. (Bedford, Luton) | Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T. |
| Hall, Vice-Admiral Sir R. (Eastbourne) | O'Neill, Major Rt. Hon. Hugh | |
| Hall, Capt. W. D'A. (Brecon & Rad.) | Oman, Sir Charles William C. | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
| Hammersley, S. S. | Owen, Major G. | Major Sir Harry Barnston and Mr. |
| Hanbury, C. | Pennefather, Sir John | F. C. Thomson. |
| Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry | Penny, Frederick George |