HC Deb 02 December 1925 vol 188 cc2233-9
Mr. A. HENDERSON

Is the Prime Minister now in a position to state the business which the Government intend to take on Friday?

The PRIME MINISTER

Yes, Sir. We propose to put down the Third Reading of the Rating and Valuation Bill; the Second Reading of the Government of India (Civil Services) Bill [Lords]; the Second Reading of the Coastguard Bill [Lords]; the Report and Third Reading of the Roads and Streets in Police Burghs (Scotland) Bill; the Report and Third Reading of the Circuit Courts and Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Bill [Lords]: the Committee stage of the Money Resolution relating to the Sheriff Courts and Legal Officers (Scotland) Bill; and, if time permit, other Orders.

Mr. W. GRAHAM

Will the Prime Minister reconsider his decision to take the Money Resolution on the Sheriff Courts and Legal Officers (Scotland) Bill in view of the fact that there is general agreement that further negotiations with regard to that Bill must take place and that in any case we cannot make any progress before the Christmas Recess.

The PRIME MINISTER

The most important thing at the moment is to get the Rating Bill to another place.

Mr. GRAHAM

Will the Prime Minister reply on the point whether he intends to take this Resolution?

The PRIME MINISTER

It is impossible to say whether we can or not.

Mr. RUNCIMAN

With regard to the business on the Paper to-day, will the Prime Minister state to what hour he expects to keep the House sitting, and how far he proposes to proceed with the Resolutions?

The PRIME MINISTER

My right hon. Friend has been a Member of this House for so many years that he must know that the only answer I can give at this moment is that the time depends on the progress of the business.

Mr. BUCHANAN

May I, Mr. Speaker, put a question? At the beginning of this Session a Motion was made giving the Government the whole time of the House, and since then almost every day a Motion has been put down to suspend the Eleven o'clock Rule, and there have only been two days on which it has not been put down. The only time some of us private Members have to raise questions is on the Motion for the Adjournment. Yesterday was the first occasion an opportunity arose for private Members, and on that occasion a number of Electricity Orders and other business were taken, cutting out the opportunity which would other wise have been given to private Members. I want to ask if there is no way of protecting the private Member against this kind of procedure? Is there no other way of giving an opportunity to private Members of raising questions connected with the administration of the Ministry of Labour and the Ministry of Pensions?

Mr. SPEAKER

It is not uncommon during the pressure of business to have these Motions. The only remedy I can suggest is the one I suggested yesterday, namely, greater brevity in the speeches made.

Mr. BUCHANAN

Even if that were practised to-day, I submit that all greater brevity in the speeches would lead to would be that the Government would get a greater amount of business conducted after Eleven. It is not a question of quarrel against the Government, but the protection of my own rights. I have certain questions to put to the Minister of Labour which are of the greatest importance to my native city, and I want to raise them with the Minister, if I possibly can, before the Adjournment, but I can see no opportunity. I do not

want there to be any more scenes like that which occurred yesterday, and I want to ask you, Sir, if there is no way of obviating the occurrence of that kind of thing?

Mr. SPEAKER

I am afraid there is nothing that lies in my hands. If there were, I would gladly use it to shorten the proceedings.

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceeding? of the Committee of Ways and Means be exempted, at this clay's sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 268; Noes, 142.

Division No. 434.] AYES. [3.50 p. m
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. Hanbury, C.
Agg-Gardner, Rt. Hon. Sir James T. Crook, C. W. Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry
Albery, Irving James Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) Harms worth, Hon. E. C. (Kent)
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick) Harrison, G. J. C.
Applin, Colonel R. V. K. Crookshank, Col. H.(Lindsey,Gainsbro) Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington)
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Curzon, Captain Viscount Haslam, Henry C.
Atholl, Duchess of Dalziel, Sir Davison Hawke, John Anthony
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Davidson, J. (Hertl'd, Hemel Hempst'd) Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M.
Balfour, George (Hampstead) Davies, Dr. Vernon Henderson, Lieut.-Col. V. L. (Bootle)
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Davison. Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P.
Barnett, Major Sir Richard Dean, Arthur Wellesley Henn, Sir Sydney H.
Barnston, Major Sir Harry Dixey, A. C. Hennessy, Major J. R. G.
Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish Drewe, C. Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford)
Berry, Sir George Eden, Captain Anthony Herbert, S. (York, N. R-,Scar. & Wh'by)
Bethell, A. Edmondson, Major A. J. Hilton, Cecil
Betterton, Henry B. Edwards, John H. (Accrington) Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G.
Bird, Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W.) Elveden, Viscount Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D.(St. Marylebone)
Blades, Sir George Rowland England, Colonel A. Holbrook, Sir Arthur Richard
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) Holland, Sir Arthur
Bowyer, Capt. G. E. W Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith Homan, C. W. J.
Brass, Captain W. Evans, Captain A. (Cardiff, South) Hope, Capt. A. O. J. (Warw'k, Nun.)
Brassey, Sir Leonard Everard, W. Lindsay Hopkins, J. W. W.
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive Fairfax, Captain J. G. Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley)
Briscoe, Richard George Falle, Sir Bertram G. Horlick, Lieut.-Colonel J. N.
Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. Fanshawe, Commander G. D. Howard, Capt. Hon. D. (Cumb., N.)
Broun-Lindsay, Major H. Fermoy, Lord Hudson, Capt. A. U. M.(Hackney, N.)
Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) Fielden, E. B. Hudson, R. s. (Cumberland, Whiteh'n)
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H.C.(Berks, Newb'y) Finburgh, S. Huntingfield, Lord
Buckingham, Sir H. Fleming, D. P. Hurd, Percy A.
Bull, Rt. Hon. Sir William James Forestier-Walker, Sir L. Hurst, Gerald B.
Bullock, Captain M. Forrest, W. Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H.
Burton. Colonel H. W. Foxcroft, Captain C. T. Jackson, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. F. S.
Butler, Sir Geoffrey Fraser, Captain Ian Jackson, Sir H. (Wandsworth, Cen'l)
Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward Frece, Sir Walter de James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert
Caine, Gordon Hall Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. Jephcott, A. R.
Campbell, E. T. Gadie, Lieut.-Col. Anthony Kennedy, A. R. (Preston)
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Ganzoni, Sir John Kidd. J. (Linlithgow)
Cazalet, Captain Victor A. Gates. Percy Kindersley, Major Guy M.
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Gauit, Lieut.-Col. Andrew Hamilton King, Captain Henry Douglas
Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton Gee, Captain R. Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir J. A.(Birm., W.) Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Knox, Sir Alfred
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) Goff, Sir Park Lamb, J. Q.
Chapman, Sir S. Gower, Sir Robert Lister, Cunliffe-, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip)
Charteris, Brigadier-General J. Grant, J. A. Lloyd, Cyril E. (Dudley)
Christle, J. A. Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green)
Churchman, Sir Arthur C. Greene, W. P. Crawford Locker-Lampson, Com. O. (Handsw'th)
Clarry, Reginald George Greenwood, Rt. Hn. Sir H.(W'th's'w, E) Loder, J. de V.
Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Gretton, Colonel John Looker, Herbert William
Cockerill, Brigadier-General G. K. Grotrian, H. Brent Lougher, L.
Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips Gunston, Captain D. W. Lowe, Sir Francis William
Cooper, A. Duff Hacking, Captain Douglas H. Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Vere
Cope, Major William Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) Luce, Major-Gen. Sir Richard Harman
Courtauld, Major J. S. Hall, Vice-Admiral Sir R.(Eastbourne) Mac Andrew, Charles Glen
Courthope, Lieut.-Col. Sir George L. Hall, Capt. W. D'A. (Brecon & Rad.) Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.)
Craik, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry Hammersley, S. S. McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus
Macintyre, Ian Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton Storry Deans, R.
McLean, Major A. Preston, William Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H.
McNeill, Rt. Hon. Ronald John Price, Major C. W. M. Streatfeild, Captain S. R.
Maitland, Sir Arthur D. steel Radford, E. A. Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser
Malone, Major P. B. Raine, W. Tasker, Major R. Inigo
Margesson, Captain D. Ramsden, E. Thompson, Luke (Sunderland)
Marriott, Sir J. A. R. Rees, sir Beddoe Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, S.)
Meyer, Sir Frank Reid, Capt. A. S. C. (Warrington) Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell-
Milne, J. S. Wardlaw Reid, D. D. (County Down) Tinne, J. A.
Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark) Remnant, Sir James Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Mitchell, W. Foot (Saffron Walden) Rice, Sir Frederick Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) Roberts, E. H. G. (Flint) Turton, Edmund Russborough
Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) Robinson, Sir T. (Lanes., Stretford) Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P.
Morden, Col. W. Grant Ruggles-Brise, Major E. A. Wallace, Captain D. E.
Moreing, Captain A. H. Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) Ward, Lt.-Col. A. L.(Kingston-on-Hull)
Morrison, H. (Wilts, Salisbury) Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) Warner, Brigadier-General W. w.
Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive Sandeman, A. Stewart Warrender, Sir Victor
Murchison, C. K. Sanders, Sir Robert A. Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Nelson, Sir Frank Sandon, Lord Watson, Sir F. (Pudsey and Otley)
Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) Savery, S. S. Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle)
Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge) Shaw, Lt.-Col. A. D. Mcl. (Renfrew, W) Watts, Dr. T.
Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G. (Ptrsf'ld.) Shaw, Capt. W. W. (Wilts, Westb'y) White, Lieut.-Colonel G. Dairymple
Nield, Rt. Hon. Sir Herbert Sheffield, Sir Berkeley Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern)
Nuttall, Ellis Simms, Dr. John M. (Co. Down) Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
Oakley, T. Sinclair, Col. T. (Queen's Univ., Belfast) Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
O'Neill, Major Rt. Hon. Hugh Skelton, A. N. Wise, Sir Fredric
Oman, Sir Charles William C. Slaney, Major P. Kenyon Womersley, W. J.
Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William Smith, R. W.(Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.) Wood, Sir Kingsley (Woolwich, W.)
Pease, William Edwin Smith-Carington, Neville W. Woodcock, Colonel H. C.
Pennefather, Sir John Smithers, Waldron Wragg, Herbert
Penny, Frederick George Somerville. A. A. (Windsor) Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T.
Peto, Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) Spender Clay, Colonel H.
Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome) Sprot, Sir Alexander TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Philipson, Mabel Stanley, Col. Hon. G. F. (Will'sder. E.) Commander B. Eyres Monsell and
Pilcher, G. Stanley, Lord (Fylde) Colonel Gibbs.
Power, Sir John Cecil Steel, Major Samuel Strang
NOES.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife. West) Grundy, T. W. Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring)
Alexander, A. v. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') Guest, J. (York, Hemsworth) Riley, Ben
Ammon, Charles George Guest, Dr. L. Haden (Southwark, N.) Ritson, J.
Attlee, Clement Richard Hall, F. (York, W.R., Normanton) Robertson, J. (Lanark, Bothwell)
Baker, J. (Wolverhampton, Bliston) Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Robinson, W. C.(Yorks, W. R., Elland)
Baker, Walter Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) Rose, Frank H.
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) Hardie, George D. Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter
Barnes, A. Harris, Percy A. Saklatvala, Shapurji
Barr, J. Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon Scrymgeour, E.
Batey, Joseph Hayday, Arthur Scurr, John
Beckett, John (Gateshead) Henderson, Right Hon. A. (Burnley) Sexton, James
Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith) Henderson, T. (Glasgow) Shiels, Dr. Drummond
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Hirst, G. H. Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Briant, Frank Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John
Broad, F. A. Hore-Belisha, Leslie sitch, Charles H.
Bromley, J. Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) Smillie, Robert
Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Hutchison, Sir Robert (Montrose) Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe)
Buchanan, G. Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Smith, H. B. Lees (Keighley)
Cape, Thomas John, William (Rhondda, West Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Clowes, S. Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Snell, Harry
Cluse, W. S. Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip
Collins, Sir Godfrey (Greenock) Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Spencer, G. A. (Broxtowe)
Compton, Joseph Kelly, W. T. Stamford, T. W.
Connolly, M. Kennedy, T. Stephen, Campbell
Cove, W. G. Kirkwood, D. Stewart, J. (St. Rollox)
Crawfurd, H. E. Lansbury, George Sutton, J. E.
Davies, Evan (Ebbw Vale) Lawson, John James Taylor, R. A.
Davies. Ellis (Denbigh, Denbigh) Livingstone, A. M. Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby)
Davies. Rhys John (Westhoughton) Lowth, T. Thomas, Sir Robert John (Anglesey)
Day colonel Harry Lunn, William Thomson, Trevelyan (Middlesbro. W.)
Dennison, R. Mackinder, W. Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow)
Duncan, C. MacLaren, Andrew Thurtle, E.
Dunnico, H. Maclean, Neil (Glasgow, Govan) Tinker, John Joseph
Fenby, T. D. Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I. Townend, A. E.
Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. March, S. Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. C. P.
George, Rt. Hon. David Lloyd Montague, Frederick Varley, Frank B.
Gillett, George M. Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) Viant, S. P.
Gosling, Harry Murnin, H. Wellhead, Richard C.
Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) Owen, Major G. Walsh, Rt. Han. Stephen
Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.) Palin, John Henry Warne. G. H.
Greenall, T. Paling, W. Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondds)
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Potts, John S. Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney
Groves, T. Purcell, A. A. Weir, L. M.
Westwood, J. Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Whiteley, W. Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow) Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr.
Wiggins, William Martin Windsor, Walter Hayes.
Wilkinson, Ellen C. Wright, W.
Williams, T. (York, Don Valley) Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)

Question put, and agreed to.

Mr. W. THORNE

Can you help me, Sir, out of a difficulty? A few minutes ago I was having a conversation with one of my personal friends, and, in consequence of that, I was a little absent-minded and went into the wrong Lobby. The result was that I was advised to vote for the Government, but I could not see my way to do that. Is there any remedy whereby I can record my vote for the "Noes"?

Mr. SPEAKER

I am afraid that the hon. Member must accept the fact.