§
Motion made, and Question proposed,
That this day, notwithstanding anything in Standing Order No. 15, Supplementary Estimates for New Services may be considered in Committee of Supply, and that Business other than Business of Supply may be taken before Eleven o'clock."—[The Prime Minister.]
§ Mr. PRINGLEOn a point of Order. There are certain New Services, upon which the Committee should have an opportunity of giving a Vote. Will the Vote for these New Services be given separately from the Classes?
§ Mr. SPEAKERI cannot answer that on the spur of the moment. Perhaps the hon. Member will consult the Chairman of Ways and Means.
§ Lieut.-Commander KENWORTHYIs it not a rule—I do not know that it is an Order of the House, but is it not an accepted principle—that New Services
§ shall in any case be debated in the House, or that an opportunity shall be given for a Debate? I think that has been ruled in the last Parliament, and may I ask your guidance on that question, Mr. Speaker?
§ Mr. SPEAKERThese Services were submitted for consideration last week. They have complied with the Standing Order in that respect.
Captain BENNCan you give any guidance, Sir, as to the interpretation of the said Standing Order, which has more than once been put to the Chair? Do you consider that, when the Standing Order says that these New Services must be submitted to the Committee of Supply more than three days before the close of the Committee, that Standing Order is complied with when a Paper is published and no Debate whatever takes place?
§ Mr. SPEAKERI remember that question being put for about 23 years, and I do not think I am in a position to change the answer which my predecessors have given to it.
§ Question put.
§ The House divided: Ayes, 225; Noes, 149.
477| Division No.309.] | AYES | 3.50 p.m. |
| Agg-Gardner, Sir James Tynte | Butler, H. M. (Leeds, North) | Falle, Major Sir Bertram Godfrey, |
| Ainsworth, Captain Charles | Butt, Sir Alfred | Fawkes, Major F. H. |
| Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. | Cadogan, Major Edward | Fermor-Hesketh, Major T. |
| Apsley, Lord | Campion, Lieut.-Colonel W. R. | Flanagan, W.H. |
| Archer-Shee, Lieut.-Col. Sir Martin | Cautley, Henry Strother | Ford, Patrick Johnston |
| Astbury, Lieut.-Com. Fredrick W. | Cayzer, Sir C.(Chester, City) | Forestier-Walker, L. |
| Astor, Viscountess | Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn(Aston) | Fraser, Major Sir Keith |
| Baird, Rt. Hon. Sir John Lawrence | Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord R. (Hitchin) | Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. |
| Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley | Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton | Furness, G. J. |
| Balfour, George (Hampstead) | Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N.(Ladywood) | Garland, C. S. |
| Banbury, Rt. Hon. Sir Frederick G. | Chapman, Sir S. | Gaunt, Rear-Admiral Sir Guy R. |
| Barlow, Rt. Hon. Sir Montague | Clarry, Reginald George | Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John |
| Barnett, Major Richard W. | Clayton, G. C. | Goff, Sir R. Park |
| Barnston, Major Harry | Cobb, Sir Cyril | Greenwood, William (Stockport) |
| Becker, Harry | Cohen, Major J. Brunel | Gretton, Colonel John |
| Bell, Lieut.-Col. W. C. H. (Devizes) | Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips | Guinness, Lieut.-Col. Hon. W. E. |
| Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W. | Colvin, Brig.-General Richard Beale | Gwynne, Rupert S. |
| Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) | Cope, Major William | Hacking, Captain Douglas H. |
| Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish- | Cory, Sir J. H. (Cardiff. South) | Halstead, Major D. |
| Berry, Sir George | Craig, Captain C. C. (Antrim, South) | Hamilton, Sir George C. (Altrincham) |
| Betterton, Henry B. | Craik, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry | Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry |
| Birchall, Major J. Dearman | Croft, Lieut.-Colonel Henry Page | Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent) |
| Bird, Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W.) | Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) | Harvey, Major S. E. |
| Blades, Sir George Rowland | Curzon, Captain Viscount | Hay Major T. W. (Norfolk, South), |
| Blundell, F. N. | Davidson, J. C. C. (Hemel Hempstead) | Henn, Sir Sydney H. |
| Bowyer, Capt. G. E. W. | Davies, Thomas (Cirencester) | Hennessy, Major J. R. G. |
| Boyd-Carpenter, Major A. | Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) | Herbert, S. (Scarborough) |
| Brass, Captain W. | Doyle, N. Grattan | Hewett, Sir J. P. |
| Brassey, Sir Leonard | Edmondson, Major A. J. | Hiley, Sir Ernest |
| Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive | Ednam, Viscount | Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. |
| Brittain, Sir Harry | Elliot, Captain Walter E. (Lanark) | Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D. (St. Marylebone) |
| Brown, Major D. C. (Hexham) | Ellis, R. G. | Hood, Sir Joseph |
| Brown, Brig.-Gen. Clifton (Newbury) | Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith | Hopkins, John W. W. |
| Bruford, R. | Erskine, Lord (Weston-super-Mare) | Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley' |
| Buckingham, Sir H. | Erskine-Bolst, Captain C. | Howard, Capt. D. (Cumberland, N.). |
| Buckley, Lieut.-Colonel A. | Evans, Capt. H. Arthur (Leicester, E.) | Howard-Bury, Lieut.-Col. C. K. |
| Burn, Colonel Sir Charles Rosdew | Eyres-Monsell, Com. Rt. Hon. Sir B. M. | Hughes, Collingwood |
| Butcher, Sir John George | Falcon, Captain Michael | Hume, G. H. |
| Hurd, Percy A. | Newson, Sir Percy Wilson | Sheffield, Sir Berkeley |
| Hurst, Gerald B. | Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge) | Simms, Dr. John M. (Co. Down) |
| Hutchison, G. A. C. (Midlothian, N.) | Nicholson, Brig.-Gen. J. (Westminster) | Simpson-Hinchliffe, W. A. |
| Hutchison, W. (Kelvingrove, N.) | Nicholson, William G.(Petersfield) | Skelton, A. N. |
| Jackson, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. F. S. | Nield, Sir Herbert | Somerville, A. A. (Windsor) |
| James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert | Norman, Major t. Hon. Sir Henry | Somerville, Daniel (Barrow-in-Furness) |
| Jodrell, Sir Neville Paul | Norton-Griffiths, Lieut.-Col. Sir John | Spears, Brig.-Gen. E. L. |
| Joynson-Hicks, Sir William | O'Neill, t. Hon. Hugh | Stanley, Lord |
| King, Capt. Henry Douglas | Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William | Stewart, Gershom (Wirral) |
| Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement | Parker, Owen (Kettering) | Stockton, Sir Edwin Forsyth |
| Lamb, J. Q. | Pennefather, De Fonblanque | Stott, Lt.-Col. W. H. |
| Lane-Fox, Lieut.-Colonel G. R. | Penny, Frederick George | Stuart, Lord C. Crichton. |
| Lever, Sir Arthur L. | Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) | Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser |
| Lloyd-Greame, Rt. Hon. Sir Phillip | Perkins, Colonel E. K. | Sugden, Sir Wilfrid H. |
| Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green) | Peto, Basil E. | Sutherland, Rt. Hon. Sir William |
| Lorden, John William | Pielou, D. P. | Thompson, Luke (Sunderland) |
| Lorimer, H.D. | Pilditch, Sir Philip | Thomson, F. C.(Aberdeen, South) |
| Loyd, Arthur Thomas (Abingdon) | Privet, F. J. | Titchfield, Marquess of |
| Lumley, L. R. | Raeburn, Sir William H. | Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement |
| Lyle-Samuel, Alexander | Raine, W. | Turton, Edmund Russborough |
| Macnaghten, Hon. Sir Malcolm | Rankin, Captain James Stuart | Wallace, Captain E. |
| McNeill, Ronald (Kent, Canterbury) | Rawlinson, t. Hon. John Fredk. Peel | Ward, Col. L. (Kingston-upon-Hull) |
| Makins, Brigadier-General E. | Rawson, Lieut.-Com. A. C. | Watson, Capt. J. (Stockton-on-Tees) |
| Malone, Major P. B. (Tottenham, S.) | Rees, Sir Beddoe | Weston, Colonel John Wakefield |
| Margesson, H. D. R. | Reid, Capt. A. S. C. (Warrington) | Wheler, Col. Granville C. H. |
| Mason, Lieut.-Col. C. K. | Remnant, Sir James | White, Lt.-Col. G. D. (Southport) |
| Mercer, Colonel H. | Reynolds, W. G. W. | Wilson, Col. M. J.(Richmond) |
| Milne, J. S. Wardlaw | Rhodes, Lieut.-Col. J. P. | Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George |
| Mitchell, W. F. (Saffron Walden) | Richardson, Lt.-Col. Sir P. (Chertsey) | Winterton, Earl |
| Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) | Robertson-Despencer, Major(Islgtn, W) | Wise, Frederick |
| Molloy, Major L. G. S. | Rogerson, Capt. J. E. | Wolmer, Viscount |
| Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C. | Roundell, Colonel R. F. | Wood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, West) |
| Morning, Captain Algernon H. | Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) | Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.. |
| Morrison, Hugh (Wilts, Salisbury) | Russell-Wells, Sir Sydney | Yate, Colonel Sir Charles Edward |
| Morrison-Bell, Major Sir A. C. (Honiton) | Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) | |
| Murchison, C. K. | Sanderson, Sir Frank B. | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Colonel Leslie Wilson and Celonel the Rt. Hon. G. A. Gibbs. |
| Nall, Major Joseph | Sandon, Lord | |
| Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) | Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D. | |
| NOES. | ||
| Adams, D. | Greenall, T. | Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I. |
| Adamson, Rt. Hon. William | Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) | March, S. |
| Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) | Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) | Martin, F. (Aberd'n & Kinc'd'ne, E.) |
| Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro' | Grundy, T. W. | Middleton, G. |
| Ammon, Charles George | Guthrie, Thomas Maule | Millar, J. D. |
| Asquith, t. Hon. Herbert Henry | Hall, F. (York, W.R., Normanton) | Morel, E. D. |
| Attlee, C. R. | Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) | Morris, Harold |
| Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) | Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) | Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) |
| Barnes, A. | Hancock, John George | Mosley, Oswald |
| Barrie, Sir Charles Coupar (Banff) | Harbord, Arthur | Muir, John W. |
| Batey, Joseph | Hardie, George D. | Murnin, H. |
| Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith) | Hay, Captain J. P. (Cathcart) | Murray, Hon. A. C. (Aberdeen) |
| Berkeley, Captain Reginald | Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (N'castle, E.) | Murray, R. (Renfrew, Western) |
| Bonwick, A. | Henderson, T. (Glasgow) | Newbold, J. T. W. |
| Brotherton, J. | Herriotts, J. | Oliver, George Harold |
| Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) | Hill, A. | Paling, W. |
| Buckle, J. | Hinds, John | Parker, H. (Hanley) |
| Burgess, S. | Hirst, G. H. | Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) |
| Burnie, Major J. (Bootle) | Hodge, t. Hon. John | Pattinson, R. (Grantham) |
| Buxton, Charles (Accrington) | Hodge, Lieut.-Col. J. P. (Preston) | Ponsonby, Arthur |
| Buxton, Noel (Norfolk, North) | Hogge, James Myles | Potts, John S. |
| Cape, Thomas | Hutchison, Sir R. (Kirkcaldy) | Pringle, W. M. R. |
| Chapple, W. A. | Irving, Dan | Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) |
| Charleton, H. C. | Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) | Ritson, J. |
| Clarke, Sir E. C. | John, William (Rhondda, West) | Roberts, C. H. (Derby) |
| Collison, Levi | Johnstone, Harcourt (Willesden, East) | Roberts, Frederick O. (W. Bromwich) |
| Cowan, D. M.(Scottish Universities) | Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) | Robinson, W. C. (York, Elland) |
| Davies, Evan (Ebbw Vale) | Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) | Royce, William Stapleton |
| Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) | Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) | Salter. Dr. A. |
| Davison, J. E. (Smethwick) | Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) | Scrymgeour, E |
| Dudgeon, Major C. R. | Jowett, F. W. (Bradford, East) | Sexton, James |
| Duncan, C. | Kenworthy, Lieut.-Commander J. M. | Shaw, Thomas (Preston) |
| Dunnico, H. | Kenyon, Barnet | Shinwell, Emanuel |
| Edmonds, G. | Lambert, Rt. Hon. George | Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John |
| Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) | Lassbury, George | Simpson, J. Hope |
| Emlyn-Jones, J. E.(Dorset, N.) | Lawson, John James | Smith, T. (Pontefract) |
| Falconer, J. | Leach, W. | Snowden, Philip |
| Fisher, Rt. Hon. Herbert A. L. | Lee, F. | Spencer, H. H. (Bradford, S.) |
| Foot, Isaac | Linfield, F. C. | Spoor, B. G. |
| Gardiner, James | Lowth, T. | Stephenson, Lieut.-Colonel H. K. |
| Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) | Lunn, William | Sullivan, J. |
| Graham, W. (Edinburgh, Central) | M'Entee, V. L. | Thomson, T. (Middlesbrough, West) |
| Gray, Frank (Oxford) | Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan) | Thorne. G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.) |
| Tout, W. J. | Wedgwood, Colonel Josiah C. | Wilson, C. H.(Sheffield, Attercliffe) |
| Trevelyan, C. P. | Weir, L. M. | Wintringham, Margaret |
| Twist, H. | Westwood, J. | Wood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.) |
| Wallhead, Richard C. | White, H. G. (Birkenhead, E.) | Wright, W. |
| Warne, G. H. | Whiteley, W. | |
| Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline) | Williams, David (Swansea, E.) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. Phillipps and Sir A. Marshall. |
| Watts Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda) | Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly). | |
| Webb, Sidney | Williams, T. (York, Don Valley) |