HC Deb 03 June 1921 vol 142 cc1472-5

The medical officer of health of a local authority who by the terms of his appointment is restricted from engaging in private practice as a medical practitioner shall not be appointed for a limited period only and shall be removable by the authority with the consent" of the Minister of Health or by the Minister and not otherwise.


I beg to move, at the beginning of the Clause, to insert the words, "In cases to which this Section applies."

The fact of this Amendment having to be moved to-day arises from the circumstance that the hon. Member in whose name the Amendment stood did not appear in the Committee Room in time to move his Amendment. The same Amendment appears exactly to Clause 2. That Amendment was moved in Committee. Afterwards it was arranged that this Amendment, which is a drafting Amendment, should be moved on Report stage.

Amendment agreed to.


I beg to move, at the end of the Clause, to add the words This Section applies to—

  1. (a) the medical officer of health of a county borough where any portion of the salary of the medical officer was paid out of moneys voted by Parliament before it was constituted a county borough;
  2. (b) the medical officer of health of a county district any portion of whose salary is paid out of the county fund of the county in which the district is situate and charged to the exchequer contribution account.


I would put it respectfully to the hon. Gentleman that the House would like to know exactly what is the effect of this Amendment. No explanation has been given. We were protesting a little while ago against the conduct of the promoter's of the previous Bill that they were not sufficiently explaining to the House what was the effect of their Bill. I should like my hon. Friend to tell us what exactly this Amendment means.


On a point of Order. I understood, Mr. Speaker, on the Amendment which my hon. Friend has just moved, that you put the Question and collected the voices. [HON. MEMBERS: "No" and "Yes."] The hon. Gentleman opposite (Dr. Murray) is now speaking, and there is no question before us.


I had collected the voices, but I did not declare whether the "Ayes" or the "Noes" had it, because at that moment I observed the hon. Member rising.


Why is the right hon. Baronet for the City so enthusiastic about this, and not about the last Bill?


I was only asking my hon. Friend to give us an explanation of this Amendment.


This Amendment is exactly the same as the one which is already in the Bill. It refers to exactly the same subject as Clause 2, but if it is necessary I will explain the point again on the Third Reading. This Amendment was put in at the request of the Ministry of Health in order to restrict the operation of the Bill to certain local authorities which had special advantage given to them previously.


We are simply asking for an explanation of this Amendment now, and not upon the Third Reading.

Question put, "That those words be there inserted in the Bill."

The House divided: Ayes, 100; Noes, 17.

Division No. 149.] AYES. [4.23 p.m.
Agg-Gardner, Sir James Tynte Cope, Major William Henry, Denis S. (Londonderry, S.)
Allen, Lieut.-Colonel William James Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) Hinds, John
Banbury, Rt. Hon. Sir Frederick G. Craik, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry Holbrook, Sir Arthur Richard
Banner, Sir John S. Harmood- Croft, Lieut.-Colonel Henry Page Hopkins, John W. W.
Barlow, Sir Montague Dawes, James Arthur Hunter, General Sir A. (Lancaster)
Barnes, Rt. Hon. G. (Glas., Gorbals) Dockreil, Sir Maurice Hurst, Lieut.-Colonel Gerald B.
Barnston, Major Harry Edwards, Major J. (Aberavon) James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert
Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W. Evans, Ernest Jones, J. T. (Carmarthen, Llanelly)
Bennett, Sir Thomas Jewell Fell, Sir Arthur Kelley, Major Fred (Rotherham)
Blake, Sir Francis Douglas Flannery, Sir James Fortescue Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement
Breese, Major Charles E. Ford, Patrick Johnston Lane-Fox, G. R.
Bruton, Sir James Forrest, Walter Larmor, Sir Joseph
Buckley, Lieut.-Colonel A. Gardiner, James Lewis, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Univ., Wales)
Burdon, Colonel Rowland Gibbs, Colonel George Abraham Lindsay, William Arthur
Burn, Col. C. R. (Devon, Torquay) Gilbert, James Daniel Lyle, C. E. Leonard
Butcher, Sir John George Gilmour, Lieut.-Colonel Sir John M'Donald, Dr. Bouverie F. P.
Campbell, J. D. G. Goff, Sir R. Park M'Lean, Lieut.-Col. Charles W. W.
Cautley, Henry Strother Green, Joseph F. (Leicester, W.) McNeill, Ronald (Kent, Canterbury)
Cheyne, Sir William Watson Greene, Lt.-Col. Sir W. (Hack'y, N.) Mallaby-Deeley, Harry
Coates, Major Sir Edward F. Guinness, Lieut.-Col. Hon. W. E. Molson, Major John Elsdale
Cockerill, Brigadier-General G. K. Hacking, Captain Douglas H. Murray, Dr. D. (Inverness & Ross)
Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips Hall, Captain Sir Douglas Bernard Murray, John (Leeds, West)
Colvin, Brig.-General Richard Beale Hall, Rr-Adml Sir W. (Llv'p'l, W. D'by) Neal, Arthur
Conway, Sir W. Martin Hayward, Evan Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter)
Nield, Sir Herbert Sanders, Colonel Sir Robert Arthur Williams, Lt.-Col. Sir R. (Banbury)
Norris, Colonel Sir Henry G. Scott, A. M. (Glasgow, Bridgeton) Wilson, Colonel Leslie O. (Reading)
Pease, Rt. Hon. Herbert Pike Seddon, J. A. Wise, Frederick
Philipps, Gen. Sir I. (Southampton) Smith, Sir Malcolm (Orkney) Wood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, West)
Pinkham, Lieut.-Colonel Charles Smithers, Sir Alfred W. Wood, Major S. Hill- (High Peak)
Raffan, Peter Wilson Stanton, Charles Butt Young, Sir Frederick W. (Swindon)
Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel Sutherland, Sir William
Richardson, Alexander (Gravesend) Warner, Sir T. Courtenay T. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Roberts, Rt. Hon. G. H. (Norwich) White, Col. G. D. (Southport) Sir Philip Magnus and Major
Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) Williams, Aneurin (Durham, Consett) Morrison-Bell.
Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Norwood) Williams, Col. P. (Middlesbrough, E.)
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) Kennedy, Thomas Wedgwood, Colonel Josiah C.
Barnes, Major H. (Newcastle, E.) Lawson, John James Wignall, James
Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. Lowther, Major C. (Cumberland, N.) Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Galbraith, Samuel Robertson, John
Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Widnes) Smith, W. R. (Wellingborough) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Irving, Dan Swan, J. E. Mr. T. Griffiths and Mr. John.
Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) Waterson, A. E.

Bill read the Third time, and passed.