§
Motion made, and Question proposed,
That an additional number of officers and men, not exceeding 26,000, be employed for the Sea and Coast Guard Services borne on the books of His Majesty's Ships and at the Royal Marine Divisions for the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1922.
§ Mr. HOGGEIt was arranged with yourself, Mr. Deputy-Chairman, that we should take the whole discussion on the Army Vote, but will the Government reply to this question as to why the Government require 25,000 men for the Navy and 10,000 men for the Air Force?
Mr. CHAMBERLAINThe Government, having to call additional forces to their aid, naturally called first the Reserve Forces already in existence. The Naval Forces have been employed partly in carrying yeast to different parts of the country and partly in protecting communications.
§ Mr. HOGGEThat is only telling us what their duties are. I want from the Government the reason why they extend this skeleton arrangement to follow so closely the existing arrangement of the Army in an industrial dispute for the first time?
§ Lieut-Commander KENWORTHYI shall be glad to know how the Air Force are employed?
The SECRETARY of STATE for AIR (Captain Guest)The services performed by the Air Force during these times would not be large, but would be technical and vitally important. Other portions of the Reserve called up under the same Proclamation would be for the assistance of the military and also for the protection of the material, which is extremely vulnerable and valuable.
§ Mr. C. WHITEAre the Reservists going to be demobilised at the same time as the National Defence Force is demobilised, or is there any danger of their being used for services other than those connected with the industrial dispute?
§ Mr. CHAMBERLAIN rose in his place and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put."
§ Question put, "That the Question be now put."
§ The Committee divided: Ayes, 194; Noes, 45.
1671| Division No. 78.] | AYES. | [11.0 p.m. |
| Adair, Rear-Admiral Thomas B. S. | Gibbs, Colonel George Abraham | Molson, Major John Elsdale |
| Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. C. | Gilmour, Lieut.-Colonel Sir John | Mond, Rt. Hon. Sir Alfred M. |
| Agg-Gardner, Sir Janes Tynte | Glyn, Major Ralph | Morden, Lieut.-Col. W. Grant |
| Ainsworth, Captain Charles | Goff, Sir R. Park | Moreing, Captain Algernon H. |
| Allen, Lieut.-Colonel William James | Gould, James C. | Morison, Rt. Hon. Thomas Brash |
| Amery, Lieut.-Col. Leopold C. M. S. | Gray, Major Ernest (Accrington) | Morris, Richard |
| Austin, Sir Herbert | Greene, Lt.-Col. Sir W. (Hack'y, N.) | Morrison-Bell, Major A. C. |
| Baird, Sir John Lawrence | Gregory, Holman | Munro, Rt. Hon. Robert |
| Balfour, George (Hampstead) | Gretton, Colonel John | Murchison, C. K. |
| Banbury, Rt. Hon. Sir Frederick G. | Gritten, W. G. Howard | Murray, John (Leeds, West) |
| Barlow, Sir Montague | Guest, Capt. Rt. Hon. Frederick E. | Neal, Arthur |
| Barnett, Major R. W. | Gwynne, Rupert S. | Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) |
| Bell, Lieut.-Col. W. C. H. (Devizes) | Hacking, Captain Douglas H. | Nicholson, Reginald (Doncaster) |
| Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W. | Hamilton, Major C. G. C. | Norris, Colonel Sir Henry G. |
| Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) | Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry | Ormsby-Gore, Hon. W. |
| Benn, Capt. Sir I. H., Bart. (Gr'nw'h) | Harmsworth, C. B. (Bedford, Luton) | Parry, Lieut.-Colonel Thomas Henry |
| Betterton, Henry B. | Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent) | Pease, Rt. Hon. Herbert Pike |
| Bigland, Alfred | Henderson, Major V. L. (Tradeston) | Peel, Col. Hn. S. (Uxbridge, Mddx.) |
| Berwick, Major G. O. | Henry, Denis S. (Londonderry, S.) | Pennefather, De Fonblanque |
| Boscawen, Rt. Hon. Sir A. Griffith- | Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) | Philipps, Sir Owen C. (Chester, City) |
| Bowyer, Captain G. E. W. | Hewart, Rt. Hon. Sir Gordon | Pickering, Lieut.-Colonel Emil W. |
| Brassey, Major H. L. C. | Hilder, Lieut.-Colonel Frank | Pinkham, Lieut.-Colonel Charles |
| Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive | Hills, Major John Waller | Pollock, Sir Ernest M. |
| Brittain, Sir Harry | Hinds, John | Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton |
| Bruton, Sir James | Hoare, Lieut.-Colonel Sir S. J. G. | Pratt, John William |
| Buckley, Lieut.-Colonel A. | Hood, Joseph | Rae, H. Norman |
| Bull, Rt. Hon. Sir William James | Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) | Raeburn, Sir William H. |
| Burn, Col. C. R. (Devon, Torquay) | Home, Edgar (Surrey, Guildford) | Raw, Lieutenant-Colonel N. |
| Carr, W. Theodore | Hotchkin, Captain Stafford Vere | Rees, Sir J. D. (Nottingham, East) |
| Casey, T. W. | Hurd, Percy A. | Reid, D. D. |
| Cayzer, Major Herbert Robin | Inskip, Thomas Walker H. | Richardson, Alexander (Gravesend) |
| Cecil, Rt. Hon. Evelyn (Birm., Aston) | James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert | Roberts, Rt. Hon. G. H. (Norwich) |
| Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J.A. (Birm., W.) | Jameson, J. Gordon | Roberts, Samuel (Hereford, Hereford) |
| Chamberlain, N. (Birm., Ladywood) | Jodrell, Neville Paul | Roberts, Sir S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall) |
| Chilcot, Lieut.-Com. Harry W. | Johnson, Sir Stanley | Robinson, S. (Brecon and Radnor) |
| Child, Brigadier-General Sir Hill | Johnstone, Joseph | Roundell, Colonel R. F. |
| Colvin, Brig.-General Richard Beale | Jones, G. W. H. (Stoke Newington) | Royds, Lieut.-Colonel Edmund |
| Coote, Colin Reith (Isle of Ely) | Jones, J. T. (Carmarthen, Lianelly) | Rutherford, Sir W. W. (Edge Hill) |
| Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) | Kidd, James | Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) |
| Davidson, J. C. C. (Kemel Hempstead) | King, Captain Henry Douglas | Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney) |
| Davidson, Major-General Sir J. H. | Lane-Fox, G. R. | Sanders, Colonel Sir Robert A. |
| Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S) | Lewis, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Univ., Wales) | Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D. |
| Dean, Lieut.-Commander P. T. | Lindsay, William Arthur | Scott, A. M. (Glasgow, Bridgeton) |
| Elveden, Viscount | Lloyd, George Butler | Seddon, J. A. |
| Evans, Ernest | Lloyd-Greame, Sir P. | Shaw, Hon. Alex. (Kilmarnock) |
| Falcon, Captain Michael | Locker- Lampson, Com. O. (H'tingd'n) | Shaw, William T. (Forfar) |
| Falle, Major Sir Bertram G. | Lorden, John William | Shortt, Rt. Hon. E. (N'castle-on-T.) |
| Fell, Sir Arthur | Lowther, Major C. (Cumberland, N.) | Smith, Sir Allan M. (Croydon, South) |
| Fisher, Rt. Hon. Herbert A. L. | Lynn, R. J. | Smith, Sir Harold (Warrington) |
| Flannery, Sir James Fortescue | Mackinder, Sir H. J. (Camlachie) | Stanier, Captain Sir Beville |
| Ford, Patrick Johnston | McLaren, Robert (Lanark, Northern) | Steel, Major S. Strang |
| Forrest, Walter | M'Lean, Lieut.-Col. Charles W. W. | Stephenson, Lieut.-Colonel H. K. |
| Foxcroft, Captain Charles Talbot | McMicking, Major Gilbert | Stewart, Gershom |
| Fraser, Major Sir Keith | Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I. | Strauss, Edward Anthony |
| Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. | Maddocks, Henry | Sturrock, J. Leng |
| Gange, E. Stanley | Mallalieu, F. W. | Sugden, W. H. |
| Ganzoni, Captain Sir F. J. C. | Manville, Edward | Sutherland, Sir William |
| Thomas-Stanford, Charles | Watson, Captain John Bertrand | Worsfold, Dr. T. Cato |
| Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South) | White, Lieut.-Col. G. D. (Southport) | Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L. |
| Thorpe, Captain John Henry | Whitla, Sir William | Yate, Colonel Sir Charles Edward |
| Townley, Maximilian G. | Wild, Sir Ernest Edward | Young, Lieut.-Com. E. H. (Norwich) |
| Tryon, Major George Clement | Williams, Col. Sir R. (Dorset, W.) | Younger, Sir George |
| Ward, Col. L. (Kingston-upon-Hull) | Wills, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Gilbert | |
| Ward, William Dudley (Southampton) | Wise, Frederick | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— |
| Waring, Major Walter | Wood, Hon. Edward F. L. (Ripon) | Colonel Leslie Wilson and Mr. |
| Warner, Sir T. Courtenay T. | Wood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, West) | McCurdy. |
| NOES. | ||
| Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) | Hayward, Major Evan | Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) |
| Barnes, Major H. (Newcastle, E.) | Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Widnes) | Royce, William Stapleton |
| Bell, James (Lancaster, Ormskirk) | Hirst, G. H. | Smith, W. R. (Wellingborough) |
| Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. | Hodge, Rt. Hon. John | Swan, J. E. |
| Cairns, John | Irving, Dan | Thomas, Brig.-Gen. Sir O. (Anglesey) |
| Davies, A. (Lancaster, Clitheroe) | Kennedy, Thomas | Thomson, T. (Middlesbrough, West) |
| Davies, Evan (Ebbw Vale) | Kenyon, Barnet | Walsh, Stephen (Lancaster, Ince) |
| Davison, J. E. (Smethwick) | Lawson, John J. | Waterson, A. E. |
| Edwards, G. (Norfolk, South) | Lunn, William | Wignall, James |
| Galbraith, Samuel | Maclean, Neil (Glasgow, Govan) | Wilson, W. Tyson (Westhoughton) |
| Graham, R. (Nelson and Colne) | Mills, John Edmund | Wintringham, T. |
| Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) | Morgan, Major D. Watts | Wood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.) |
| Grundy, T. W. | Myers, Thomas | Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton) |
| Guest, J. (York, W. R., Hemsworth) | O'Grady, Captain James | |
| Hall, F. (York. W.R., Normanton) | Parkinson, John Allen (wigan) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
| Hartshorn, Vernon | Raffan, Peter Wilson | Mr. Hogge and Mr. C. White. |
§ Question put accordingly.
1672§ The Committee divided: Ayes, 194; Noes, 45.
1673| Division No. 79.] | AYES. | [11. 10 p.m. |
| Adair, Rear-Admiral Thomas B. S. | Ford, Patrick Johnston | Lane-Fox, G. R. |
| Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. C. | Forrest, Walter | Lewis, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Univ., Wales) |
| Agg-Gardner, Sir James Tynte | Foxcroft, Captain Charles Talbot | Lindsay, William Arthur |
| Ainsworth, Captain Charles | France, Gerald Ashburner | Lloyd, George Butler |
| Allen, Lieut.-Colonel William James | Fraser, Major Sir Keith | Lloyd-Greame, Sir P. |
| Amery, Lieut.-Col. Leopold C. M. S. | Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. | Locker-Lampson, Com. O. (H'tingd'n) |
| Austin, Sir Herbert | Gange, E. Stanley | Lorden, John William |
| Baird, Sir John Lawrence | Ganzoni, Captain Sir F. J. C. | Lowther, Major C. (Cumberland, N.) |
| Balfour, George (Hampstead) | Gibbs, Colonel George Abraham | Lynn, R. J. |
| Banbury, Rt. Hon. Sir Frederick G. | Gilmour, Lieut.-Colonel Sir John | Mackinder, Sir H. J. (Camlachie) |
| Barlow, Sir Montague | Glyn, Major Ralph | McLaren, Robert (Lanark, Northern) |
| Barnett, Major R. W. | Goff, Sir R. Park | M'Lean, Lieut.-Col. Charles W. W. |
| Bell, Lieut.-Col. W. C. H. (Devizes) | Gould, James C. | McMicking, Major Gilbert |
| Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W. | Gray, Major Ernest (Accrington) | Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I. |
| Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) | Greene, Lt.-Col. Sir W. (Hack'y, N.) | Maddocks, Henry |
| Benn, Capt. Sir I. H., Bart. (Gr'nw'h) | Gregory, Holman | Mallalieu, F. W. |
| Betterton, Henry B. | Gretton, Colonel John | Manville, Edward |
| Bigland, Alfred | Gritten, W. G. Howard | Molson, Major John Elsdale |
| Borwick, Major G. O. | Guest, Capt. Rt. Hon. Frederick E. | Mond, Rt. Hon. Sir Alfred M. |
| Boscawen, Rt. Hon. Sir A. Griffith- | Gwynne, Rupert S. | Morden, Lieut.-Col. W. Grant |
| Bowyer, Captain G. E. W. | Hacking, Captain Douglas H. | Moreing, Captain Algernon H. |
| Brassey, Major H. L. C. | Hamilton, Major C. G. C. | Morison, Rt. Hon. Thomas Brash |
| Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive | Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry | Morris, Richard |
| Brittain, Sir Harry | Harmsworth, C. B. (Bedford, Luton) | Morrison-Bell, Major A. C. |
| Bruton, Sir James | Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent) | Munro, Rt. Hon. Robert |
| Buckley, Lieut.-Colonel A. | Henderson, Major V. L. (Tradeston) | Murchison, C. K. |
| Bull, Rt. Hon. Sir William James | Henry, Denis S. (Londonderry, S.) | Murray, John (Leeds, West) |
| Burn, Col. C. R. (Devon, Torquay) | Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) | Neal, Arthur |
| Carr, W. Theodore | Hewart, Rt. Hon. Sir Gordon | Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) |
| Catty, T. W. | Hilder, Lieut.-Colonel Frank | Nicholson, Reginald (Doncaster) |
| Cayzer, Major Herbert Robin | Hills, Major John Waller | Norris, Colonel Sir Henry G. |
| Cecil, Rt. Hon. Evelyn (Birm., Aston) | Hinds, John | Ormsby-Gore, Hon. W. |
| Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. A. (Birm., W.) | Hoare, Lieut.-Colonel Sir S. J. G. | Pease, Rt. Hon. Herbert Pike |
| Chamberlain, N. (Birm., Ladywood) | Hood, Joseph | Peel, Col. Hn. S. (Uxbridge, Mddx.) |
| Chilcot, Lieut.-Com. Harry W. | Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) | Pennefather, De Fonblanque |
| Child, Brigadier-General Sir Hill | Home, Edgar (Surrey, Guildford) | Philipps, Sir Owen C. (Chester, City) |
| Colvin, Brig.-General Richard Beale | Horne, Sir R. S. (Glasgow, Hillhead) | Pickering, Lieut.-Colonel Emil W. |
| Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) | Hotchkin, Captain Stafford Vere | Pinkham, Lieut.-Colonel Charles |
| Davidson, J. C. C. (Kernel Hempstead) | Hurd, Percy A. | Pollock, Sir Ernest M. |
| Davidson, Major-General Sir J. H. | Inskip, Thomas Walker H. | Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton |
| Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) | James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert | Pratt, John William |
| Dean, Lieut.-Commander P. T. | Jameson, J. Gordon | Rae, H. Norman |
| Elveden, viscount | Jodrell, Neville Paul | Raeburn, Sir William H. |
| Evans, Ernest | Johnson, Sir Stanley | Raw, Lieutenant-Colonel N. |
| Falcon, Captain Michael | Johnstone, Joseph | Rees, Sir J. D. (Nottingham, East) |
| Falle, Major Sir Bertram G. | Jones, G. W. H. (Stoke Newington) | Reid, D. D. |
| Fell, Sir Arthur | Jones, J. T. (Carmarthen, Lianelly) | Richardson, Alexander (Gravesend) |
| Fisher, Rt. Hon. Herbert A. L. | Kidd, James | Roberts, Rt. Hon. G. H. (Norwich) |
| Flannery, Sir James Fortescue | King, Captain Henry Douglas | Roberts, Samuel (Hereford, Hereford) |
| Roberts, Sir S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall) | Steel, Major S. Strang | White, Lieut.-Col. G. D. (Southport) |
| Robinson, S. (Brecon and Radnor) | Stephenson, Lieut.-Colonel H. K. | Whitla, Sir William |
| Roundell, Colonel R. F. | Stewart, Gershom | Wild, Sir Ernest Edward |
| Royds, Lieut.-Colonel Edmund | Strauss, Edward Anthony | Williams, Col. Sir R. (Dorset, W.) |
| Rutherford, Sir W. W. (Edge Hill) | Sturrock, J. Leng | Wills, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Gilbert |
| Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) | Sugden, W. H. | Wise, Frederick |
| Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney) | Sutherland, Sir William | Wood, Hon. Edward F. L. (Ripon) |
| Sanders, Colonel Sir Robert A. | Thomas-Stanford, Charles | Wood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, West) |
| Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D. | Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South) | Worsfold, Dr. T. Cato |
| Scott, A. M. (Glasgow, Bridgeton) | Thorpe, Captain John Henry | Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L. |
| Seddon, J. A. | Townley, Maximilian G. | Yate, Colonel Sir Charles Edward |
| Shaw, Hon. Alex. (Kilmarnock) | Tryon, Major George Clement | Young, Lieut.-Com. E. H. (Norwich) |
| Shaw, William T. (Forfar) | Ward, Col. L. (Kingston-upon-Hull) | Younger, Sir George |
| Shortt, Rt. Hon. E. (N'castle-on-T.) | Ward, William Dudley (Southampton) | |
| Smith, Sir Allan M. (Croydon, South) | Waring, Major Walter | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— |
| Smith, Sir Harold (Warrington) | Warner, Sir T. Courtenay T. | Colonel Leslie Wilson and Mr. |
| Stanier, Captain Sir Beville | Watson, Captain John Bertrand | McCurdy. |
| NOES. | ||
| Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) | Hayward, Major Evan | Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) |
| Barnes, Major H. (Newcastle, E.) | Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Widnes) | Royce, William Stapleton |
| Bell, James (Lancaster, Ormskirk) | Hirst, G. H. | Smith, W. R. (Wellingborough) |
| Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. | Hodge, Rt. Hon. John | Swan, J. E. |
| Cairns, John | Irving, Dan | Thomas, Brig.-Gen. Sir O. (Anglesey) |
| Davies, A. (Lancaster, Clitheroe) | Kennedy, Thomas | Walsh, Stephen (Lancaster, Ince) |
| Davies, Evan (Ebbw Vale) | Kenworthy, Lieut.-Commander J. M. | Waterson, A. E. |
| Davison, J. E. (Smethwick) | Kenyon, Barnet | White, Charles F. (Derby, Western) |
| Edwards, G. (Norfolk, South) | Lawson, John J. | Wignall, James |
| Galbraith, Samuel | Lunn, William | Wilson, W. Tyson (Westhoughton) |
| Graham, R. (Nelson and Colne) | Mills, John Edmund | Wintringham, T. |
| Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) | Morgan, Major D. Watts | Wood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.) |
| Grundy, T. W. | Myers, Thomas | Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton) |
| Guest, J. (York, W. R., Hemsworth) | O'Grady, Captain James | |
| Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) | Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
| Hartshorn, Vernon | Raffan, Peter Wilson | Mr. Hogge and Mr. Neil Maclean. |
Question put, and agreed to.
§ Resolutions to be reported To-morrow.
§ Committee to sit again To-morrow.