§ Considered in Committee.
§ [Sir E. CORNWALL in the Chair.]
§ Motion made, and Question proposed,
§ "That it is expedient to make provision for the payment, out of moneys provided by Parliament, of any aums payable to the Commissioner and Assistant-Commissioners of Police of the Metropolis, and to His
414§ of vital statistics of this country there has never before been such an improvement as took place during the Administration of the right hon. Gentleman, who is entitled to the credit of that great achievement. Therefore I thought it desirable to make this protest on the Floor of the House and to pay this tribute of credit to a man who has done so much for the health of the country.
§ Question put, "That a Select Committee of this House be appointed to inquire into the incidence of local rating by public authorities and to make a Report."
§ The House divided: Ayes, 48; Noes, 49.
413| Division No. 62.] | AYES. | [11.0 p.m. |
| Adamson, Rt. Hon. William | Guest, J. (York, W. R., Hemsworth) | Robertson, John |
| Astbury, Lieut.-Commander F. W. | Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) | Robinson, S. (Brecon and Radnor) |
| Balfour, George (Hampstead) | Hartshorn, Vernon | Sexton, James |
| Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) | Hirst, G. H. | Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) |
| Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. | Johnstone, Joseph | Smith, W. R. (Wellingborough) |
| Brittain, Sir Harry | Jones, Henry Haydn (Merloneth) | Swan, J. E. |
| Cape, Thomas | Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Sllvertown) | Thomson, T. (Middlesbrough, West) |
| Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) | Lort-Williams, J. | Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.) |
| Davies, A. (Lancaster, Clitheroe) | Lunn, William | Waddington, R. |
| Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) | Lyle, C. E. Leonard | Walsh, Stephen (Lancaster, Ince) |
| Entwlstle, Major C. F. | Mallalieu, F. W. | Wild, Sir Ernest Edward |
| Finney, Samuel | Morgan, Major D. Watts | Wilson, James (Dudley) |
| France, Gerald Ashburner | Myers, Thomas | Wilson, W. Tyson (Westhoughton) |
| Gillis, William | Nail, Major Joseph | Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton) |
| Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) | Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. (Exeter) | |
| Gretton, Colonel John | Raffan, Peter Wilson | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— |
| Gritten, W. G. Howard | Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) | Mr. Hayday and Lieut.-Commander Kenworthy. |
| NOES. | ||
| Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. C. | Hilder, Lieut.-Colonel Frank | Raw, Lieutenant-Colonel N. |
| Agg-Gardner, Sir James Tynte | Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) | Roberts, Rt. Hon. G. H. (Norwich) |
| Barnett, Major R. W. | Hotchkin, Captain Stafford Vere | Shortt, Rt. Hon. E. (N'castle-on-T.) |
| Barnston, Major Harry | Jameson, J. Gordon | Sturrock, J. Leng |
| Broad, Thomas Tucker | Jesson, C. | Tryon, Major George Clement |
| Casey, T. W. | Kidd, James | Ward, William Dudley (Southampton) |
| Chadwick, Sir Robert | Lindsay, William Arthur | Weston, Colonel John W. |
| Conway, Sir W. Martin | Lloyd-Greame, Sir P. | Wheler, Lieut.-Colonel C. H. |
| Coote, Colin Reith (Isle of Ely) | Lynn, R. J. | Whitla, Sir William |
| Courthope, Lieut.-Col. George L. | Molson, Major John Elsdale | Williams, Col. Sir R. (Dorset, W.) |
| Elliot, Capt. Walter E. (Lanark) | Mond, Rt. Hon. Sir Alfred M. | Wilson, Daniel M. (Down, West) |
| Flldes, Henry | Moreing, Captain Algernon H. | Wise, Frederick |
| Gould, James C. | Morris, Richard | Wood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, West) |
| Green, Joseph F. (Leicester, W.) | Munro, Rt. Hon. Robert | Worsfold, Dr. T. Cato |
| Greig, Colonel James William | Neal, Arthur | Young, Lieut.-Com. E. H (Norwich) |
| Hallwood, Augustine | Nicholson, Reginald (Doncaster) | |
| Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry | Parker, James | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
| Lord E. Talbot and Mr. McCurdy. |
§ Majesty's Inspectors of Constabulary, under any Act of the present Session, to consolidate and amend the Law respecting the retirement, pensions, allowances, and gratuities of members of police forces in Great Britain and their widows and children."—[Mr. Shortt.]
§ Lieut.-Commander KENWORTHYI am not taking any objection, but I would ask my hon. and gallant Friend, whom I congratulate on his first business, what the total sum of money is calculated to be. 415 I do not ask for exact figures, but I think that in all these cases we ought to be given some approximate of what the money is.
§ Mr. HAILWOODAs to the provision made for widows of superannuated police officers, will they have any increases?
§ Mr. SHORTTThat, of course, will not arise under this Resolution at all. It does not touch that in any way whatever; it is a different part of the Bill. With regard to the question of the hon. and gallant Gentleman (Lieut.-Commander Kenworthy), it is quite impossible to give any estimate, because at present, and so far as we can see in the future, there will be no expenditure of any sort or description.
It provides for a contingency which has not arisen and may never arise, but still has to be provided for under the Bill. It provides for the case where you want to make a man an inspector. 416 The inspector comes under the Civil Service scale of pensions, and it is in order that we may obtain a trained policeman as inspector and treat him fairly in regard to this matter that the proposal is made. It lay with the Treasury to put it right, but the matter does not arise at present. The same thing applies with regard to the Metropolitan Police, and the reason why no sum is named is because there is no immediate need to do so.
§ Question put, and agreed to.
§ Resolution to be reported To-morrow.
§ The remaining Orders were read, and postponed.