HC Deb 26 March 1920 vol 127 cc838-46

Motion made, "That the Bill be now read a Second time."—[Mr. S. Robinson.]

Amendment moved, to leave out the word "now" and at the end of the Question to add the words "upon this day six months."—[Major Barnston.]

Question again proposed, "That the word 'now' stand part of the Question."

Mr. WOOD

(resuming): When we were interrupted, I was just concluding my remarks, and, as I think there are other hon. Members who wish to express their opinion in the limited time that remains. I shall not trespass further upon the House.

Mr. RAFFAN

Nobody regrets more than I do that circumstances have detained the Prime Minister, and that it is impossible for him to be here to-day. I am delighted to hear from my right hon. Friend that, if the Prime Minister had been here, he would have supported this Bill. That statement is very welcome to me and to those who think with me, but I am bound to say that it adds to the bewilderment with which I heard the speech delivered, ostensibly on behalf of the Government, by the right hon. Gentleman the Minister for Education (Mr. Fisher). It is perfectly true that the right hon. Gentleman did not profess to support the Bill, and that he did not state that the Government were supporting it; and I can quite understand that, in a matter on which the Cabinet is divided, it might be that the Prime Minister took one view and other Members of the Government took another But the right hon. Gentleman went on to say, in the name of the Government, that if the Bill secured a Second Reading he was not prepared to give it any facilities.

Mr. FISHER

The substance of what I said was that it must not be understood that because the Government was prepared to give a Second Reading to the principle, it necessarily followed that they would be able to provide further facilities, because the Government was proposing to bring in a measure dealing with the same subject for the whole country, and it would certainly be unreasonable in a congested Session that Parliament should be asked to spend time over two Licencing Hills, and secondly, I reminded the House that we have a very big programme.

Mr. RAFFAN

I am sorry that at nearly five o'clock the right hon. Gentleman should occupy valuable time in repeating exactly the statement I was making. If he suggests that the argument he has now repeated is in the slightest degree supporting the Bill or giving any encouragement to the promoters I am unable to follow the logic of it. I should like to ask the right hon. Gentleman, when he says the Government is to introduce a Bill dealing with the same subject, is the Government to introduce a Bill dealing with local option. He states as a reason why time is not to be given for the consideration of a Bill dealing with local option and only one other matter that even if the House, I take it by a large majority, supported the Second Reading, there are difficulties in the way of giving time to it because the Government has a Bill dealing with this subject. Has the Government a Bill dealing with local option and with Sunday closing for Monmouthshire?

Mr. FISHER

The hon. Member will have an answer to his question in a very short time.

Mr. RAFFAN

The House is entitled to an answer now. The right hon. Gentleman makes a speech which, whatever the professions of the Prime Minister, is against the Bill through and through. He says the Government has a Bill dealing with these subjects. When I ask him with regard to the actual subjects with which it deals, he is unable to answer me because the Government is divided upon the issue, and is unable, because of the divisions within its own ranks, to say whether they will have the courage to deal with the question of local option or not, and when you have to deal with a Government divided between the interests of temperance and the vested interests which have such great influence with them, it is for the independent Members of the House to make up their minds. The right hon. Gentleman said not a single word in favour of a single proposal of this Bill. Holding the responsible position of Minister of Education, he used not a single phrase to indicate that he was aware of the vast gravity of this great social question. I have little hope of any licensing Bill conceived in the spirit of the speech of the right hon. Gentleman. He says the Bill is faulty because, during the six years' time limit, it proposes to bring in no reform. It would be particularly inappropriate in this Bill, dealing with the special needs of Wales, to introduce long, complicated and cumbrous provisions which would lead to endless discussion if the Bill ever got into Committee. I know what would happen to a Bill of that kind if the right hon. Baronet (Sir F. Banbury) sat on the Committee. The Welsh Members are very well advised not to embark upon that stormy sea, but to confine themselves to these simple propositions. I have had no answer in regard to local option. Presumably I am not going to get an answer in regard to Sunday closing in Monmouthshire. I happen to be a licensing Magistrate in Monmouthshire and I sit in the Bedwelty division to which reference has been made. We have had Sunday closing during the War. Mainly owing, or largely owing, to Sunday closing the numbers of convictions for drunkenness, which were 258 in 1914, have fallen to 17 last year. Is the Government going to put that right in the Bill?

Mr. FISHER

The hon. Gentleman is not entitled to know the points of the Bill before it is introduced.

Mr. RAFFAN

The House is being asked to decide on these matters. The right hon. Gentleman says to the House, practically, that the Government is going to deal with these matters and it would be well advised to wait for the Government Bill. What is the use of waiting unless we know the Government are going to deal with them? If the Government have not made up their minds, very well. In that case the Members are entitled to decide for themselves. The hon. Member for Hertford (Mr. Billing), who sailed into this House on the great question of the air, made a speech from

which it seemed to me he is still in the air. He said that we must know that the working-man thinks on this matter before we interfere with his habits and privileges. What this Bill does, and what the Irish Bill would have done, and what would have been done by the Bill for England which I introduced last year—and which I hope to have the privilege of introducing again this year, unless the right hon. Gentleman will relieve me of the necessity by putting local option into the Government Bill, in which case I shall have no desire to go on—is to give the working man and the working woman the right to decide on this matter.

An hon. and gallant Member said that he thought the Bill defective because there was no appeal to a higher tribunal. I do not believe that there can be an appeal to any higher tribunal than the democracy of the district. They are the people who should have the right to deal with this matter. Therefore, I hope that the House will give this Bill a Second Reading.

Mr. S. ROBINSON

rose in his place and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put."

Question put, "That the Question be now put."

The House divided: Ayes, 102; Noes, 67.

Division No. 73.] AYES. [4.58 p.m.
Agg-Gardner, Sir James Tynte Jones, Sir Edgar R. (Merthyr Tydvil) Nicholson, Reginald (Doncaster)
Allen, Lieut.-Colonel William James Jones, Sir Evan (Pembroke) Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield)
Astor, Viscountess Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Norman, Major Rt. Hon. Sir Henry
Barrand, A. R. Jones, J. T. (Carmarthen, Lianelly) Norris Colonel Sir Henry G.
Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith) Kelly, Major Fred (Rotherham) Palmer, Major Godfrey Mark
Bennett, Thomas Jewell Kenworthy, Lieut.-Commander J. M. Parry, Lieut.-Colonel Thomas Henry
Boyd-Carpenter, Major A. Kiley, James D. Pinkham, Lieut.-Colonel Charles
Breese, Major Charles E. Lambert, Rt. Hon. George Pulley, Charles Thornton
Burn, T. H. (Belfast, St. Anne's) Law, Alfred J. (Rochdale) Purchase, H. G.
Cape, Thomas Lewis, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Univ., Wales) Rae, H. Norman
Chadwick, R. Burton Lewis, T. A. (Glam., Pontypridd) Raeburn, Sir William H.
Cheyne, Sir William Watson Lindsay, William Arthur Raffan, Peter Wilson
Coote, Colin Reith (Isle of Ely) Lister, Sir R. Ashton Raw, Lieutenant-Colonel N.
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) Lort-Williams, J. Rees, Capt. J. Tudor (Barnstaple)
Cowan, Sir H. (Aberdeen and Kinc.) Lyle-Samuel, Alexander Rose, Frank H.
Davies, Major D. (Montgomery) Lynn, R. J. Scott, A. M. (Glasgow, Bridgeton)
Davies, M. Vaughan. (Cardigan) M'Guffin, Samuel Seager, Sir William
Edwards, Major J. (Aberavon) Mc Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leicester) Soely, Major-General Rt. Hon. John
Edwards, John H. (Glam., Neath) Mc Laren, Robert (Lanark, Northern) Shaw, Hon. Alex. (Kilmarnock)
Fisher, Rt. Hon. Herbert A. L. MacVeagh, Jeremiah Shaw, William T. (Forfar)
Gange, E. Stanley Magnus, Sir Philip Shortt, Rt. Hon. E. (N'castle-on-T.)
Ganzoni, Captain Francis John C. Malone, Major P. B. (Tottenham, S.) Sturrock, J. Leng
Gardiner, James Manville, Edward Sykes, Sir Charles (Huddersfield)
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Marks, Sir George Croydon Taylor, J.
Guest, Capt. Rt. Hon. Frederick E. Matthews, David Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby)
Haslam, Lewis Moles, Thomas Thomas, Brig.-Gen. Sir O. (Anglesey)
Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Widnes) Mond, Rt. Hon. Sir Alfred M. Thomas, Sir Robert J. (Wrexham)
Henderson, Major V. L. (Tradeston) Murray, Lt.-Col. Hon. A. (Aberdeen) Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Henry, Denis S. (Londonderry, S.) Murray, Dr. D. (Inverness & Ross) Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.)
Holmes, J. Stanley Murray, John (Leeds, West) Townley, Maximilian G.
Jameson, J. Gordon Neal, Arthur Wallace, J.
Johnstone, Joseph Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) Watson, Captain John Bertrand
Whitla, Sir William Wood, Hon. Edward F. L. (Ripon) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr.
Wignall, James Wood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.) S. Robinson and Mr. Hinds.
Williams, Aneurin (Durham, Consett) Young, W. (Perth & Kinross, Perth)
NOES.
Archer-Shee, Lieut-Colonel Martin Eyres-Monsell, Commander B. M. Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Baldwin, Stanley Forestler-Walker, L. Sanders, Colonel Sir Robert A.
Banbury, Rt. Hon. Sir Frederick G. Gilmour, Lieut.-Colonel John Seddon, J. A.
Bell, Lieut.-Col. W. C. H. (Devizes) Gould, James C. Simm, M. T.
Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W. Green, Joseph F. (Leicester, W.) Sprot, Colonel Sir Alexander
Betterton, Henry B. Guinness, Lieut.-Col. Hon. W. E. Stanley, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. G. F.
Billing, Noel Pemberton Hallwood, Augustine Stewart, Gershom
Blair, Major Reginald Hambro, Captain Angus Valdemar Talbot, Rt. Hon. Lord E. (Chich'st'r)
Berwick, Major G. O. Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) Thorpe, Captain John Henry
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Jodrell, Neville Paul Turton, E. R.
Bowyer, Captain G. E. W. Jones, William Kennedy (Hornsey) Vickers, Douglas
Brassey, Major H. L. C. King, Commander Henry Douglas Walsh, Stephen (Lancaster, Ince)
Brittain, Sir Harry Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Wild, Sir Ernest Edward
Bull, Rt. Hon. Sir William James Loseby, Captain C. E. Wilkle, Alexander
Burn, Col. C. R. (Devon, Torquay) Lowther, Major C. (Cumberland, N.) Wills, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Gilbert
Butcher, Sir John George Lowther, Lt.-Col. Claude (Lancaster) Wood, Major S. Hill- (High Peak)
Cairns, John Moore, Major-General Sir Newton J. Woods, Sir Robert
Cautley, Henry S. Murchison, C. K. Yate, Colonel Charles Edward
Coats, Sir Stuart Ormsby-Gore, Captain Hon. W. Younger, Sir George
Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips Redmond, Captain William Archer
Cope, Major Wm. Rees, Sir J. D. (Nottingham, East) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Cory, Sir J. H. (Cardiff, South) Remnant, Colonel Sir James F. Major Barnston and Lieut.-Colonel
Denniss, Edmund R. B. (Oldham) Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) Dairymple White.
Donnelly, P. Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Norwood)

Question put accordingly, "That the word 'now' stand part of the Question."

The House divided: Ayes, 86; Noes, 84.

Division No. 74.] AYES. [5.5 p.m.
Allen, Lieut.-Colonel William James Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Raeburn, Sir William H.
Astor, Viscountess Jones, J. T. (Carmarthen, Llanelly) Raffan, Peter Wilson
Barrand, A. R. Kenworthy, Lieut.-Commander J. M. Raw, Lieutenant-Colonel N.
Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith) Kiley, James D. Rees, Capt. J. Tudor (Barnstaple)
Breese, Major Charles E. Lambert, Rt. Hon. George Rose, Frank H.
Burn, T. H. (Belfast, St. Anne's) Lewis, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Univ., Wales) Scott, A. M. (Glasgow, Bridgeton)
Cairns, John Lewis, T. A. (Glam., Pontypridd) Seager, Sir William
Cape, Thomas Lindsay, William Arthur Seely, Major-General Rt. Hon. John
Chadwick, R. Burton Lister, Sir R. Ashton Shaw, Hon. Alex. (Kilmarnock)
Cheyne, Sir William Watson Lyle-Samuel, Alexander Shaw, William T. (Forfar)
Coote, Colin Reith (Isle of Ely) Lynn, R. J. Shortt, Rt. Hon. E. (N'castle-on-T.)
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) M'Guffin, Samuel Sturrock, J. Leng
Cowan, Sir H. (Aberdeen and Kinc.) McLaren, Hon. H. D. (Leicester) Taylor, J.
Davies, Major D. (Montgomery) McLaren, Robert (Lanark, Northern) Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby)
Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan) MacVeagh, Jeremiah Thomas, Brig.-Gen. Sir O. (Anglesey)
Edwards, Major J. (Aberavon) Marks, Sir George Croydon Thomas, Sir Robert J. (Wrexham)
Edwards, John H. (Glam., Neath) Matthews, David Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Gange, E. Stanley Moles, Thomas Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.)
Gardiner, James Mond, Rt. Hon. Sir Alfred M. Wallace, J.
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Murray, Lt.-Col. Hon. A. (Aberdeen) Watson, Captain John Bertrand
Guest, Capt. Rt. Hon. Frederick E. Murray, Dr. D. (Inverness & Ross) Whitla, Sir William
Haslam, Lewis Murray, John (Leeds, West) Wignall, James
Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Widnes) Neal, Arthur Wilkle, Alexander
Henderson, Major V. L. (Tradeston) Nicholson, Reginald (Doncaster) Williams, Aneurin (Durham, Consett)
Henry, Denis S. (Londonderry, S.) Norman, Major Rt. Hon. Sir Henry Wood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.)
Holmes, J. Stanley Norris Colonel Sir Henry G. Young, W. (Perth & Kinross, Perth)
Jameson, J. Gordon Palmer, Major Godfrey Mark
Johnstone, Joseph Parry, Lieut.-Colonel Thomas Henry TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Jones, Sir Edgar R. (Merthyr Tydvil) Purchase, H. G. Mr. S. Robinson and Mr. Hinds.
Jones, Sir Evan (Pembroke) Rae, H. Norman
NOES.
Agg-Gardner, Sir James Tynte Burn, Col. C. R. (Devon, Torquay) Hambro, Captain Angus Valdemar
Archer-Shee, Lieut.-Colonel Martin Butcher, Sir John George Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford)
Baldwin, Stanley Cautley, Henry S. Hurd, Percy A.
Banbury, Rt. Hon. Sir Frederick G. Coats, Sir Stuart Jodrell, Neville Paul
Bell, Lieut.-Col. W. C. H. (Devizes) Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips Jones, William Kennedy (Hornsey)
Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W. Cope, Major Wm. Kelly, Major Fred (Rotherham)
Bennett, Thomas Jewell Cory, Sir J. H. (Cardiff, South) King, Commander Henry Douglas
Betterton, Henry B. Denniss, Edmund R. B. (Oldham) Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement
Billing, Noel Pemberton Donnelly, P. Law, Alfred J. (Rochdale)
Blair, Major Reginald Eyres-Monsell, Commander B. M. Lort-Williams, J.
Berwick, Major G. O. Fell, Sir Arthur Loseby, Captain C. E.
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Forestler-Walker, L. Lowther, Major C. (Cumberland, N.)
Bowyer, Captain G. E. W. Ganzoni, Captain Francis John C. Lowther, Lt.-Col. Claude (Lancaster)
Boyd-Carpenter, Major A. Gilmour, Lieut.-Colonel John Magnus, Sir Philip
Brassey, Major H. L. C. Gould, James C. Malone, Major P. B. (Tottenham, S.)
Brittain, Sir Harry Green, Joseph F. (Leicester, W.) Manville, Edward
Bull, Rt. Hon. Sir William James Guinness, Lieut.-Col. Hon. W. E. Moore, Major-General Sir Newton J.
Murchison, C. K. Sanders, Colonel Sir Robert A. White, Lieut.-Col. G. D. (Southport)
Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) Seddon, J. A. Wild, Sir Ernest Edward
Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) Simm, M. T. Wills, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Gilbert
Ormsby-Gore, Captain Hon. W. Sprot, Colonel Sir Alexander Winterton, Major Earl
Pinkham, Lieut.-Colonel Charles Stanley, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. G. F. Wood, Hon. Edward F. L. (Ripon)
Pulley, Charles Thornton Stewart, Gershom Wood, Major S. Hill- (High Peak)
Redmond, Captain William Archer Talbot, Rt. Hon. Lord E. (Chlch'st'r) Woods, Sir Robert
Rees, Sir J. D. (Nottingham, East) Thorpe, Captain John Henry Yate, Colonel Charles Edward
Remnant, Colonel Sir James F. Townley, Maximilian G. Younger, Sir George
Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) Turton, E. R.
Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Norwood) Vickers, Douglas TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney) Walsh, Stephen (Lancaster, Ince) Major Barnston and Mr. Hailwood.

Bill read a Second time.

Motion made, and Question put, "That

Bill accordingly committed to a Committee of the whole House for Monday next.

The remaining Orders were read, and postponed.

the Bill be committed to a Committee of the whole House."—[Mr. Billing.]

The House divided: Ayes 77; Noes 76.

Division No. 75.] AYES. [5.12 p.m.
Agg-Gardner, Sir James Tynte Guinness, Lieut.-Col. Hon. W. E. Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Archer-Shee, Lieut.-Colonel Martin Hailwood, Augustine Sanders, Colonel Sir Robert A.
Baldwin, Stanley Hambro, Captain Angus Valdemar Seddon, J. A.
Banbury, Rt. Hon. Sir Frederick G. Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) Simm, M. T.
Barnston, Major Harry Hurd, Percy A. Sprot, Colonel Sir Alexander
Bell, Lieut.-Col. W. C. H. (Devizes) Jodrell, Neville Paul Stanley, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. G. F.
Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W. Kelly, Major Fred (Rotherham) Stewart, Gershom
Bennett, Thomas Jewell King, Commander Henry Douglas Talbot, Rt. Hon. Lord E. (Chich'st'r)
Betterton, Henry B. Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Thorpe, Captain John Henry
Blair, Major Reginald Law, Alfred J. (Rochdale) Townley, Maximilian G.
Berwick, Major G. O. Lindsay, William Arthur Turton, E. R.
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Lort-Williams, J. Vickers, Douglas
Boyd-Carpenter, Major A. Loseby, Captain C. E. Walsh, Stephen (Lancaster, Ince)
Brittain, Sir Harry Lowther, Major C, (Cumberland, N.) White, Lieut.-Col. G. D. (Southport)
Burn, Col. C. R. (Devon, Torquay) Lowther, Lt.-Col. Claude (Lancaster) Whitla, Sir William
Butcher, Sir John George Magnus, Sir Philip Wild, Sir Ernest Edward
Cautley, Henry S. Malone, Major P. B. (Tottenham, S.) Wills, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Gilbert
Coats, Sir Stuart Manville, Edward Winterton, Major Earl
Cope, Major Wm. Moore, Major-General Sir Newton J. Wood, Hon. Edward F. L. (Ripon)
Denniss, Edmund R. B. (Oldham) Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) Wood, Major S. Hill- (High Peak)
Donnelly, P. Ormsby-Gore, Captain Hon. W. Woods, Sir Robert
Eyres-Monsell, Commander B. M. Pinkham, Lieut.-Colonel Charles Yate, Colonel Charles Edward
Fell, Sir Arthur Pulley, Charles Thornton Younger, Sir George
Ganzonl, Captain Francis John C. Redmond, Captain William Archer
Gilmour, Lieut.-Colonel John Rees, Sir J. D. (Nottingham, East) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr.
Gould, James C. Remnant, Colonel Sir James F. Billing and Mr. Kennedy Jones.
Green, Joseph F. (Leicester, W.) Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
NOES.
Allen, Lieut.-Colonel William James Jones, Sir Evan (Pembroke) Purchase, H. G.
Astor, Viscountess Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Rae, H. Norman
Barrand, A. R. Jones, J. T. (Carmarthen, Llanelly) Raeburn, Sir William H.
Breese, Major Charles E. Kenworthy, Lieut.-Commander J. M. Raffan, Peter Wilson
Burn, T. H. (Belfast, St. Anne's) Kiley, James D. Raw, Lieutenant-Colonel N.
Cairns, John Lewis, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Univ., Wales) Rees, Capt. J. Tudor- (Barnstaple)
Cape, Thomas Lewis, T. A. (Glam., Pontypridd) Scott, A. M. (Glasgow, Bridgeton)
Chadwick, R. Burton Lister, Sir R. Ashton Seager, Sir William
Cheyne, Sir William Watson Lyle-Samuel, Alexander Seely, Major-General Rt. Hon. John
Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips Lynn, R. J. Shaw, Hon. Alex. (Kilmarnock)
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) M'Guffin, Samuel Shaw, William T. (Forfar)
Cowan, Sir H. (Aberdeen and Kinc.) McLaren, Robert (Lanark, Northern) Sturrock, J. Leng
Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan) MacVeagh, Jeremiah Taylor, J.
Edwards, Major J. (Aberavon) Marks, Sir George Croydon Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby)
Edwards, John H. (Glam., Neath) Moles, Thomas Thomas, Brig.-Gen, Sir O. (Anglesey)
Gange, E. Stanley Mond, Rt. Hon. Sir Alfred M. Thomas, Sir Robert J. (Wrexham)
Gardiner, James Murray, Lt.-Col. Hon. A. (Aberdeen) Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Murray, Dr. D. (Inverness & Ross) Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.)
Haslam, Lewis Murray, John (Leeds, West) Wallace, J.
Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Widnes) Neal, Arthur Watson, Captain John Bertrand
Henderson, Major V. L. (Tradeston) Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) Wignall, James
Henry, Denis S. (Londonderry, S.) Nicholson, Reginald (Doncaster) Williams, Aneurln (Durham, Consett)
Holmes, J. Stanley Norman, Major Rt. Hon. Sir Henry Wood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.)
Jameson, J. Gordon Norris Colonel Sir Henry G. Young, W. (Perth & Kinross, Perth)
Johnstone, Joseph Palmer, Major Godfrey Mark
Jones, Sir Edgar R. (Merthyr Tydvil) Parry, Lieut.-Colonel Thomas Henry TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr.
S. Robinson and Mr. Hinds.

Whereupon Mr. SPEAKER adjourned the House without Question put, pursuant to Standing Order No. 3.

Adjourned at Twenty minutes after Five o'clock.