§
Motion made, and Question proposed,
That a Supplementary sum, not exceeding £200,000, be granted to His Majesty, to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1920, for Compensation to Canal Companies and Canal Carrie?-s in the United Kingdom arising out of Government Control, and for Advances to Crinan and Caledonian Canals.
§ Mr. HOGGEI beg to move to reduce the Vote by £100.
The original Estimate in this case is £950,000, since when there has been a Supplementary Estimate of £294,500, to which there is now added a further sum of £200,000, making altogether £1,500,000. This Vote also comes under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Transport, and the point was made earlier to-night that the Ministry of Transport ought not to ask for these sums of money unless they have first of all determined the policy upon
§ which they are going to act. The Ministry of Transport can have formed only the most inadequate idea of the steps they are going to take to deal with the canal system if inside twelve months they have to make these separate applications for such large sums of money. There is another instance of the absolute incompetence of this Government to deal with so-called questions of reconstruction. We have been told over and over again that the reason for our high railway rates is that there is no sufficient competition between the railways and other forms of transit, and we have the canals as one of the examples which might be brought into competition, and as the Ministry of Transport have had to ask for three sums in so close a sequence of time, I move to reduce the Vote.
§ Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £199,900. be granted for the said Service."
§ The Committee divided: Ayes, 50; Noes, 223
1441| Division No. 40.] | AYES. | [11.0 p.m. |
| Adamson, Rt. Hon. William | Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) | Rose, Frank H. |
| Atkey, A. R. | Grundy, T. W. | Royce, William Stapleton |
| Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. | Guest, J. (York, W. R., Hemsworth) | Sexton, James |
| Brace, Rt. Hon. William | Hartshorn, Vernon | Shaw, Thomas (Preston) |
| Briant, Frank | Hayday, Arthur | Sitch, Charles H. |
| Bromfield, William | Hayward, Major Evan | Smith, W. R. (Wellingborough) |
| Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) | Hirst, G. H. | Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.) |
| Cairns, John | Holmes, J. Stanley | Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow) |
| Cape, Thomas | Kenworthy, Lieut.-Commander J. M. | Tootill, Robert |
| Carter, W. (Nottingham, Mansfield) | Lunn, William | Wedgwood, Colonel J. C. |
| Davies, A. (Lancaster, Clitheroe) | Morgan, Major D. Watts | Williams, Lt.-Com. C. (Tavistock) |
| Devlin, Joseph | Murray, Dr. D. (Inverness & Ross) | Wilson, W. Tyson (Westhoughton) |
| Donnelly, P. | Newbould, Alfred Ernest | Wood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.) |
| Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) | Onions, Alfred | Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton) |
| Entwistle, Major C. F. | Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) | |
| Finney, Samuel | Redmond, Captain William Archer | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— |
| Gaibraith, Samuel | Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) | Mr. Hogge and Mr. Nell Maclean. |
| Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) | Robertson, John | |
| NOES. | ||
| Agg-Gardner, Sir James Tynte | France, Gerald Ashburner | Oman, Charles William C. |
| Ainsworth, Captain Charles | Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. | Ormsby-Gore, Captain Hon. W. |
| Archer-Shee, Lieut.-Colonel Martin | Gibbs, Colonel George Abraham | Palmer, Major Godfrey Mark |
| Armitage, Robert | Gilmour, Lieut-Colonel John | Peel, Lieut.-Col. R. F. (Woodbridge) |
| Baird, John Lawrence | Goff, Sir R. Park | Peel, Col. Hn. S. (Uxbridge, Mddx.) |
| Baldwin, Stanley | Green, Albert (Derby) | Pickering, Lieut.-Colonel Emil W. |
| Balfour, George (Hampstead) | Green, Joseph F. (Leicester, W.) | Pollock, Sir Ernest M. |
| Barker, Major Robert H. | Greene, Lieut.-Col. W. (Hackney, N) | Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton |
| Barlow, Sir Montague | Gregory, Holman | Pulley, Charles Thornton |
| Barnett, Major R. W. | Greig, Colonel James William | Purchase, H. G. |
| Barnston, Major Harry | Griggs, Sir Peter | Raeburn, Sir William H. |
| Barton, Sir William (Oldham) | Gritten, W. G. Howard | Ramsden, G. T. |
| Bell, Lieut.-Col. W. C. H. (Devizes) | Guest, Major O. (Leic., Loughboro') | Raw, Lieutenant-Colonel N |
| Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W. | Guinness, Lieut.-Col. Hon. W. E. | Rees, Sir J. D. (Nottingham, East) |
| Benn, Com. Ian H. (Greenwich) | Hacking, Captain Douglas H. | Richardson, Sir Albion (Camberwell) |
| Bennett, Thomas Jewell | Hailwood, Augustine | Richardson, Alexander (Gravesend) |
| Betterton, Henry B. | Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) | Roberts, Sir S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall) |
| Bigland, Alfred | Hamilton, Major C. G. C. | Robinson, S. (Brecon and Radnor) |
| Boles, Lieut.-Colonel D. F. | Harris, Sir Henry Percy | Robinson, Sir T. (Lancs., Stretford) |
| Borwick, Major G. O. | Hennessy, Major J. R. G. | Rodger, A. K. |
| Bowyer, Captain G. E. W. | Henry, Denis S. (Londonderry, S.) | Rogers, Sir Hallewell |
| Boyd-Carpenter, Major A. | Hilder, Lieut.-Colonel Frank | Roundell, Colonel R. F. |
| Breese, Major Charles E. | Hills, Major John Waller | Royden, Sir Thomas |
| Bridgeman, William Clive | Hinds, John | Rutherford, Sir W. W. (Edge Hill) |
| Brittain, Sir Harry | Hohler, Gerald Fitzroy | Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney) |
| Britton, G. B. | Hood, Joseph | Seager, Sir William |
| Broad, Thomas Tucker | Hope, H. (Stirling & Cl'ckm'nn'n, W.) | Seddon, J. A. |
| Brown, Captain D. C. | Hopkins, John W. W. | Shaw, William T. (Forfar) |
| Bruton, Sir James | Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) | Shortt, Rt. Hon. E. (N'castle-on-T.) |
| Buchanan, Lieut.-Colonel A. L. H. | Hunter, General Sir A. (Lancaster) | Simm, M. T. |
| Buckley, Lieut.-Colonel A. | Hurd, Percy A. | Smith, Harold (Warrington) |
| Bull, Rt. Hon. Sir William James | Inskip, Thomas Walker H. | Sprot, Colonel Sir Alexander |
| Burn, Col. C. R. (Devon, Torquay) | Jackson, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. F. S. | Stanier, Captain Sir Beville |
| Butcher, Sir John George | James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert | Stanley, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. G. F. |
| Campbell, J. D. G. | Jephcott, A. R. | Steel, Major S. Strang |
| Campion, Lieut.-Colonel W. R. | Jodrell, Neville Paul | Stephenson, Colonel H. K. |
| Carr, W. Theodore | Jones, G. W. H. (Stoke Newington) | Stewart, Gershom |
| Casey, T. W. | Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) | Sturrock, J. Leng |
| Cayzer, Major Herbert Robin | Jones, J. T. (Carmarthen, Llanelly) | Sugden, W. H. |
| Chadwick, R. Burton | Kellaway, Frederick George | Surtees, Brigadier-General H. C. |
| Clay, Lieut.-Colonel H. H. Spender | Kenyon, Barnet | Sykes, Sir Charles (Huddersfield) |
| Clough, Robert | Kidd, James | Talbot, G. A. (Hemel Hempstead) |
| Coats, Sir Stuart | King, Commander Henry Douglas | Taylor, J. |
| Cockerill, Brigadier-General G. K. | Lane-Fox, G. R. | Terrell, Captain R. (Oxford, Henley) |
| Colvin, Brig.-General Richard Beale | Law, Alfred J. (Rochdale) | Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South) |
| Cope, Major Wm. | Law, Rt. Hon. A. B. (Glasgow, C.) | Thomson, Sir W. Mitchell- (Maryhill) |
| Cory, Sir C. J. (Cornwall, St. Ives) | Lewis, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Univ., Wales) | Townley, Maximilian G. |
| Courthope, Major George L. | Lewis, T. A. (Glam., Pontypridd) | Turton, E. R. |
| Cralk, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry | Lister, Sir R. Ashton | Waddington, R. |
| Curzon, Commander Viscount | Lloyd, George Butler | Wallace, J. |
| Davidson, Major-General Sir J. H. | Locker, Lampson, G. (Wood Green) | Walters, Sir John Tudor |
| Davies, Major D. (Montgomery) | Lort-Williams, J. | Walton, J. (York, W. R., Don Valley) |
| Davies, Sir David Sanders (Denbigh) | M'Donald, Dr. Bouverie F. P. | Ward, Col. L. (Kingston-upon-Hull) |
| Davies, Thomas (Cirencester) | Mackinder, Sir H. J. (Camlachie) | Warren, Lieut.-Col. Sir Alfred H. |
| Davies, Sir William H. (Bristol, S.) | McLaren, Hon. H. D. (Leicester) | Weston, Colonel John W. |
| Dean, Lieut.-Commander P. T. | Macmaster, Donald | White, Lieut.-Col. G. D. (Southport) |
| Dewhurst, Lieut.-Commander Harry | M'Micking, Major Gilbert | Whitla, Sir William |
| Dockrell, Sir Maurice | Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. | Wigan, Brig.-Gen. John Tyson |
| Doyle, N. Grattan | Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I. | Williams, Col. Sir R. (Dorset, W.) |
| Duncannon, Viscount | Macquisten, F. A. | Willoughby, Lieut.-Col. Hon. Claud |
| Edgar, Clifford B. | Malone, Major P. B. (Tottenham, S.) | Wilson, Colonel Leslie O. (Reading) |
| Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) | Marks, Sir George Croydon | Wilson, Lt. Col. Sir M. (Bethnal Gn.) |
| Edwards, John H. (Glam., Neath) | Moreing, Captain Algernon H. | Wilson, Lieut.-Col. M. J. (Richmond) |
| Elliot, Capt. Walter E. (Lanark) | Morris, Richard | Wilson-Fox, Henry |
| Eyres-Monsell, Commander B. M. | Morrison, Hugh | Wood, Hon. Edward F. L. (Ripon) |
| Falcon, Captain Michael | Morrison-Bell, Major A. C. | Wood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, West) |
| Farquharson, Major A. C. | Mosley, Oswald | Wood, Sir J. (Stalybridge & Hyde) |
| Fell, Sir Arthur | Murchison, C. K. | Worsfold, Dr. T. Cato |
| Fisher, Rt. Hon. Herbert A. L. | Murray, Hon. Gideon (St. Rollox) | Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L. |
| FitzRoy, Captain Hon. E. A. | Murray, Major William (Dumfries) | Yeo, Sir Alfred William |
| Flannery, Sir James Fortescue | Neal, Arthur | Young, Sir Frederick W. (Swindon) |
| Foreman, Henry | Newman, Colonel J. R. P. (Finchley) | Younger, Sir George |
| Forestier-Walker, L. | Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) | |
| Forrest, Walter | Nicholson, Reginald (Doncaster) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
| Foxcroft, Captain Charles Talbot | Norris, Colonel Sir Henry G. | Lord E. Talbot and Mr. Dudley Ward. |
Original Question put, and agreed to.