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Mr. BONAR LAW

May I ask the Prime Minister if he can now tell us what period he proposes for the Whitsuntide Recess, and what business will be taken before it?

The PRIME MINISTER

On Monday, we shall take the Report of the Money Resolution of the Established Church (Wales) Bill, and the Committee stage of that Bill, and after that, the Third Reading of the Bill, which we hope we shall be able to conclude on Tuesday evening.

On Wednesday, we shall take the Government of Ireland Money Resolution.

On Thursday, the Report of the Money Resolution and the formal stage in Committee, and we shall thereafter proceed with the Third Reading.

We hope to be able to move the adjournment for the Whitsuntide Recess on the Wednesday of the following week. Of course, that depends upon the progress we make. If so, we shall ask the House to resume on Tuesday, 9th June.

Mr. CASSEL

Has the right hon. Gentleman borne in mind that the Second Reading of the Finance Bill must, under the Provisional Collection of Taxes Act, be disposed of before the Wednesday adjournment, and is it the right hon. Gentleman's intention to allow a full opportunity for a discussion of that very important measure?

The PRIME MINISTER

I think the hon. and learned Gentleman is not correct there.

Mr. BONAR LAW

Do I understand from the announcement of the right hon. Gentleman that the Third Reading of the Home Rule Bill will be continued on Monday and Tuesday of the following week?

The PRIME MINISTER

If it is so desired.

Mr. CASSEL

Is the right hon. Gentleman not aware that under the Provisional Collection of Taxes Act the Second Reading

of the Finance Bill must be passed within the twenty days on which the House sits after the first Resolution of the 4th May, and, if he makes this arrangement, there would only be one day left for taking the whole of the Second Reading of the Finance Bill?

The PRIME MINISTER

It counts after the first Resolution is reported.

Mr. JAMES HOGGE

Will the right hon. Gentleman bear in mind that the 27th is Derby Day, and will he attempt to bring the Resolution forward on the 26th?

Mr. CHAMBERLAIN

I wish to ask a question in relation to the notice for a Return which I placed on the Paper some days ago, and which stands there to-day, I understand, from a communication just received from the Chancellor of the Exchequer, that he is unwilling to grant the Return in the form in which I have moved it on the ground that he and the Board of Inland Revenue of to-day do not accept the basis of calculation adopted by the Board of Inland Revenue under the Prime Minister in 1906. What I wish to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer is whether he does not think that is a matter for argument, and whether he could not meet me by giving the Return in the form in which I asked for it, at the same time adding the form in which he would prefer to put it, and attaching any explanation which the Board of Inland Revenue think necessary?

Mr. LLOYD GEORGE

As long as the right hon. Gentleman accepts the responsibility for the basis of calculation, certainly I am prepared to give it on that basis, and allow him to have it.

Mr. CHAMBERLAIN

I prefer to have both calculations. I am quite prepared to take the responsibility of asking for the Return in the form presented by the then Chairman of the Inland Revenue at the time when the Prime Minister was Chancellor of the Exchequer.

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the Business of Ways and Means have precedence this day of the Business of Supply."—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 255; Noes, 234.

Division No. 103.] AYES. [3.50 p.m.
Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) Allen, Arthur A. (Dumbartonshire) Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark)
Addison, Dr. Christopher Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple)
Adkins, Sir W. Ryland D. Arnold, Sydney Barnes, George N.
Agnew, Sir George William Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herbert Henry Beale, Sir William Phipson
Ainsworth, John Stirling Baker, Harold T. (Accrington) Beck, Arthur Cecil
Alden, Percy Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) Benn, W. W. (T. Hamlets, St. George)
Bentham, George Jackson Hodge, John Pearce, William (Limehouse)
Bethell, Sir J. H. Hogge, James Myles Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham)
Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine Holmes, Daniel Turner Phillips, John (Longford, S.)
Boland, John Plus Holt, Richard Durning Pirie, Duncan V.
Booth, Frederick Handel Howard, Hon. Geoffrey Pollard, Sir George H.
Bowerman, Charles W. Hughes, Spencer Leigh Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H.
Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) John, Edward Thomas Pratt, J. W.
Brady, Patrick Joseph Jones, Rt. Hon. Sir D. Brynmor (Swansea) Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central)
Bryce, J. Annan Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Priestley, Sir Arthur (Grantham)
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) Primrose, Hon. Neil James
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas Jones, Leif (Notts, Rushcliffe) Pringle, William M. R.
Byles, Sir William Pollard Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) Radford, George Heynes
Cawley, Harold T. (Lancs., Heywood) Jones, William S. Glyn-(Stepney) Raffan, Peter Wilson
Chapple, Dr. William Allen Jowett, Frederick William Raphael, Sir Herbert H.
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston S. Joyce, Michael Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields)
Clancy, John Joseph Kelly, Edward Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough)
Clough, William Kennedy, Vincent Paul Reddy, Michael
Collins, Godfrey P. (Greenock) Kenyon, Barnet Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
Collins, Sir Stephen (Lambeth) Kilbride, Denis Redmond, William (Clare, E.)
Condon, Thomas Joseph King, Joseph Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.)
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon, S. Molton) Rendall, Athelstan
Cotton, William Francis Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven)
Crooks, William Lardner, James C. R. Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)
Crumley, Patrick Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West) Roberts, George H. (Norwich)
Cullinan, John Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rld, Cockerm'th) Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford)
Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) Leach, Charles Robertson, John M. (Tyneside)
Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) Levy, Sir Maurice Robinson, Sidney
Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardiganshire) Lewis, Rt. Hon. John Herbert Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke)
Dawes, James Arthur Lough, Rt. Hon. Thomas Roche, Augustine (Louth)
Delany, William Lundon, Thomas Roe, Sir Thomas
Denman, Hon. Richard Douglas Lyell, Charles Henry Rowlands, James
Devlin, Joseph Lynch, Arthur Alfred Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter
Dewar, Sir J. A. Macdonald, J. Ramsay (Leicester) Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W.
Dickinson, Rt. Hon. Willoughby H. Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees)
Dillon, John McGhee, Richard Scanlan, Thomas
Donelan, Captain A. Maclean, Donald Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton)
Doris, William MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South) Seely, Rt. Hon. Colonel J. E. B.
Duffy, William J. Macpherson, James Ian Sheehy, David
Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) MacVeagh, Jeremiah Sherwell, Arthur James
Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley) M'Callum, Sir John M. Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe)
Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald Smith, H. B. Lees (Northampton)
Edwards, John Hugh (Glamorgan, Mid) M'Laren, Hon. F. W. S. (Lincs., Spalding) Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.)
Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) M'Micking, Major Gilbert Snowden, Philip
Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) Marks, Sir George Croydon Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Essex, Sir Richard Walter Marshall, Arthur Harold Sutherland, John E.
Falconer, James Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Farrell, James Patrick Meehan, Patrick J. (Queen's Co., Leix) Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles Millar, James Duncan Taylor, Thomas (Bolton)
Ffrench, Peter Molloy, Michael Tennant, Harold John
Field, William Molteno, Percy Alport Toulmin, Sir George
Fitzgibbon, John Montagu, Hon. E. S. Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Flavin, Michael Joseph Mooney, John J. Verney, Sir Harry
Furness, Sir Stephen Wilson Morgan, George Hay Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent)
Gelder, Sir W. A. Morrell, Philip Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay
George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd Morison, Hector Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan)
Gill, A. H. Morton, Alpheus Cleophas Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney)
Ginnell, Laurence Muldoon, John Webb, H.
Gladstone, W. G. C. Munro, Rt. Hon. Robert White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston)
Glanvilie, Harold James Murphy, Martin J. White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Goldstone, Frank Murray, Captain Hon. Arthur C. Whitehouse, John Howard
Greig, Colonel J. W. Nannetti, Joseph P. Whyte, Alexander F. (Perth)
Griffith, Ellis Jones Needham, Christopher T. Wilkie, Alexander
Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) Nolan, Joseph Williams, Aneurin (Durham, N. W.)
Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) Nugent, Sir Walter Richard Williams, John (Glamorgan)
Hackett, John Nuttall, Harry Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen)
Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis (Rossendale) O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Williams, Penry (Middlesbrough)
Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) Williamson, Sir Archibald
Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds) O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.)
Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) O'Doherty, Philip Wilson, John (Durham, Mid)
Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, West) O'Donnell, Thomas Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Worcs., N.)
Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) O'Dowd, John Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) Winfrey, Sir Richard
Hayden, John Patrick O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.) Wing, Thomas Edward
Hazleton, Richard O'Malley, William Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glasgow)
Helme, Sir Norval Watson O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) Yeo, Alfred William
Henry, Sir Charles O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Young, William (Perthshire, East)
Herbert, General Sir Ivor (Mon., S.) O'Shee, James John Yoxall, Sir James Henry
Higham, John Sharp O'Sullivan, Timothy
Hinds, John Palmer, Godfrey Mark TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr.
Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. Parker, James (Halifax) Illingworth and Mr. Gulland.
NOES.
Amery, L C. M. S. Anstruther-Gray, Major William Ashley, Wilfrid W.
Anson, Rt. Hon. Sir William R. Archer-Shee, Major Martin Astor, Waldorf
Baird, John Lawrence Gardner, Ernest Nield, Herbert
Baker, Sir Randolf L. (Dorset, N.) Gibbs, G. A. O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid)
Baldwin, Stanley Gilmour, Captain John Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A.
Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (City, London) Glazebrook Captain Philip K. Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Goldman, C. S. Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend)
Banner, Sir John S. Harmood- Goldsmith, Frank Parkes, Ebenezer
Baring, Major Hon. Guy V. (Winchester) Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton) Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington)
Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) Goulding, Edward Alfred Peel, Lieut.-Colonel R. F.
Barnston, Harry Grant, J. A. Perkins, Walter F.
Barrie, H. T. Greene, Walter Raymond Pole-Carew, Sir R.
Bathurst, Hon. A. B. (Glouc. E.) Gretton, John Pollock, Ernest Murray
Bathurst, Charles (Wilts, Wilton) Guinness, Hon. Rupert (Essex, S. E.) Pryce-Jones, Colonel E.
Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks Guinness, Hon. W. E. (Bury S. Edmunds) Quilter, Sir William Eley C.
Beckett, Hon. Gervase Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) Randies, Sir John S.
Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) Haddock, George Bahr Ratcliff, R. F.
Benn, Ion Hamilton (Greenwich) Hall, D. B. (Isle of Wight) Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel
Bennett-Goldney, Francis Hall, Frederick (Dulwich) Rawson, Colonel R. H.
Bigland, Alfred Hamersley, Alfred St. George Remnant, James Farquharson
Bird, Alfred Hamilton, C. G. C. (Ches., Altrincham) Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall)
Blair, Reginald Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence Ronaldshay, Earl of
Boles, Lieut.-Colonel Dennis Fortescue Harris, Henry Percy Rothschild, Lionel de
Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffith- Harrison-Broadley, H. B. Royds, Edmund
Boyle, William (Norfolk, Mid) Helmsley, Viscount Rutherford, Watson (L'pool, W. Derby)
Boyton, James Henderson, Major H. (Berks, Abingdon) Salter, Arthur Clavell
Brassey, H. Leonard Campbell Henderson, Sir A. (St. Geo., Har. Sq.) Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood)
Bridgeman, William Clive Herbert, Hon. A. (Somerset, S.) Samuel, Samuel (Wandsworth)
Bull, Sir William James Hewins, William Albert Samuel Sanders, Robert Arthur
Burdett-Coutts, W. Hibbert, Sir Henry F. Sanderson, Lancelot
Burgoyne, A. H. Hill-Wood, Samuel Sandys, G. J.
Burn, Colonel C. R. Hoare, Samuel John Gurney Sassoon, Sir Philip
Butcher, John George Hohler, Gerald Fitzroy Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Campbell, Captain Duncan F. (Ayr, N.) Hope, Harry (Bute) Sharman-Crawford, Colonel R. G.
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. (Dublin Univ.) Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) Smith, Rt. Hon. F. E. (L'pool, Walton)
Campion, W. R. Hope, Major J. A. (Midlothian) Smith, Harold (Warrington)
Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred Horne, E. (Surrey, Guildford) Spear, Sir John Ward
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward H. Horner, Andrew Long Stanier, Beville
Cassel, Felix Hume-Williams, William Ellis Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk)
Castlereagh, Viscount Hunt, Rowland Stanley, Major Hon. G. F. (Preston)
Cator, John Hunter, Sir Charles Rodk. Starkey, John R.
Cautley, H. S. Ingleby, Holcombe Staveley-Hill, Henry
Cave, George Jardine, Ernest (Somerset, East) Swift, Rigby
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Jessel, Captain H. M. Sykes, Alan John (Ches., Knutsford)
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Oxford University) Joynson-Hicks, William Talbot, Lord Edmund
Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr Terrell, George (Wilts, N. W.)
Chaloner, Colonel R. G. W. Kerry, Earl of Terrell, Henry (Gloucester)
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. A. (Worc'r., E.) Keswick, Henry Thompson, Robert (Belfast, North)
Chaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Thomson, W. Mitchell-(Down, North)
Clay, Captain H. H. Spender Knight, Captain E. A. Thynne, Lord Alexander
Clive, Captain Percy Archer Kyffin-Taylor, G. Touche, George Alexander
Clyde, J. Avon Lane-Fox, G. R. Tryon, Captain George Clement
Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham Larmor, Sir J. Tullibardine, Marquess of
Cooper, Sir Richard Ashmole Lawson, Hon. H. (T. Hmts., Mile End) Valentia, Viscount
Courthope, George Loyd Lee, Arthur Hamilton Walker, Colonel William Hall
Craig, Ernest (Cheshire, Crewe) Lewisham, Viscount Walrond, Hon. Lionel
Craig, Norman (Kent, Thanet) Lloyd, George Ambrose (Stafford, W.) Ward, A. S. (Herts, Watford)
Craik, Sir Henry Lloyd, George Butler (Shrewsbury) Warde, Colonel C. E. (Kent, Mid)
Crichton-Stuart, Lord Ninian Locker-Lampson, G. (Salisbury) Watson, Hon. W.
Croft, H. P. Locker-Lampson O. (Ramsey) Weigall, Captain A. G.
Currie, George W. Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Colonel A. R. Weston, Colonel J. W.
Dairymple, Viscount Lowe, Sir F. W. (Birm., Edgbaston) Wheler, Granville C. H.
Dalziel, Davison (Brixton) MacCaw, William J. MacGeagh White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport)
Denison-Pender, J. C. Mackinder Halford J. Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset, W.)
Denniss, E. R. B. Macmaster, Donald Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud
Dickson, Rt. Hon. C. Scott M'Calmont, Major Robert C. A. Wills, Sir Gilbert
Dixon, C. H. M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's) Wilson, A. Stanley (Yorks, E. R.)
Du Cros, Arthur Philip Magnus, Sir Philip Wilson, Captain Leslie O. (Reading)
Duncannon, Viscount Malcolm, Ian Wilson, Maj Sir M. (Bethnai Green, S. W.)
Du Pre, W. Baring Mason, James F. (Windsor) Wolmer, Viscount
Eyres-Monsell, Bolton M. Meysey-Thompson, E. C. Wood, Hon. E. F. L. (Yorks, Ripon)
Faber, George Denison (Clapham) Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas Wood, John (Stalybridge)
Falle, Bertram Godfray Morrison-Bell, Major A. C. (Honiton) Worthington Evans, L.
Fell, Arthur Mount, William Arthur Wright, Henry Fitzherbert
Finlay, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert Neville, Reginald J. N. Yate, Colonel Charles Edward
Fisher, Rt. Hon. W. Hayes Newdegate, F. A. Younger, Sir George
Fitzroy, Hon. Edward A. Newman, John R. P.
Fleming, Valentine Newton, Harry Kottingham TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr.
Foster, Philip Staveley Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) Mildmay and Major Gastrell.

Ordered, "That the Proceedings upon the Reports of Ways and Means (4th May and 11th May), if under discussion at Eleven o'clock this night, be not interrupted under the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[The Prime Minister.]