HC Deb 29 July 1913 vol 56 cc481-93

Special cases, from a certified institution to a State institution;

  1. (g) the discharge of patients from institutions;
  2. (h) the absence of patients from institutions under licence or temporarily without licence;
  3. (i) the notifications to be made by the managers in the event of the outbreak of an infectious disease in an institution and in the event of the death of a patient in an institution or absent therefrom under licence;
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  4. (j) the conveyance of persons to and from institutions;
  5. (k) the burial of persons dying in institutions;
  6. (l) the powers and duties of persons appointed guardians of defectives under this Act; the reports to be made by such guardians as to defectives under their guardianship; the visitation of such defectives; and their discharge from guardianship;
  7. (m) the granting, renewal, and revocation of, approval of homes for defectives;
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  8. (n) the holding of inquiries and any other matter necessary or proper for the carrying into effect of the provisions of this Act with respect to institutions, and the inmates thereof, and to guardianship;
  9. (o) the application, as respects any matters to be dealt with by regulations, of any of the provisions of the Lunacy Acts, 1890 to 1911, dealing with the like matters, subject to the necessary modifications and adaptations;
  10. (p) the study of improved methods of treating mental deficiency by duly qualified practitioners in the institutions.

(2) The regulations made under this Section shall make applicable as respects institutions and the patients therein the provisions of Sections 40, 41, 42, 47, and 53 of the Lunacy Act, 1890:

Provided that nothing in this Sub-section shall be construed as restricting any power of the Secretary of State under Sub-section (1) of this Section.

Mr. McKENNA

I beg to move, in Subsection (1), to leave out the words "Special cases," and to insert instead thereof the words "Cases appropriate to State institutions." On a previous Amendment I have already explained this proposal is in order to carry out a promise made in Committee, and on a previous Amendment I believe the intention of this Amendment was accepted by the whole House.

Amendment agreed to.

Mr. W. GUINNESS

I beg to move to leave out Sub-section (2).

My reason for doing so is to briefly raise the question whether such important proposals as this should be dealt with by regulations of the Secretary of State or by a Provisional Order which comes under control of the House. I think this Sub-section, dealing with the discharge of patients from an institution is of great importance. It is a matter which directly affects the liberty of the subject, and it is essential that these regulations should be very carefully framed. It is important that persons who should not continue in institutions for mental defectives should be released in proper time, and it is a matter of such importance that the House should have some control over it. I will not elaborate this point at so late an hour, but I do wish to point out that it is a matter which a former House of Commons thought of such importance as to appear in a Bill itself. In the Lunacy Act of 1890 there were no less than 342 Clauses, besides twenty-two forms scheduled. All such details as are to be dealt with under this Section by the fiat of the Home Secretary were in that Act dealt with in great detail and with great care, and I do say that matters of this kind, affecting, as they do most closely, the liberty of the subject, should not be decided by the Home Office, but should come under the cognisance of the House in the form of Provisional Orders if the House thinks fit not to embody them in the Bill.

Mr. FALLE

I beg to second the Amendment.

Mr. McKENNA

Though I recognise that the hon. Member makes his appeal on the general ground of principle, with regard to paragraph (g) I would refer him to Sub-section (2) of Clause 24, which provides that "Without prejudice to their powers and duties under any regulations which the Secretary of State may make for further or more frequent inspection and visitation, it shall be the duty of the Board, through one or more Commissioners, to inspect every certified institution, certified house, and approved home at least once in each year, and either through themselves or their inspectors to inspect every certified institution, certified house, and approved home one additional time in each year and every defective under guardianship, at least twice in every year, and any Commissioner shall have power to discharge at any time any person detained in a certified institution or certified house or under guardianship under this Act." Therefore, the very example which the hon. Member has taken is more precisely and particularly dealt with in this Clause than in the similar Clause in the Lunacy Act. The liberty of the subject is very specially safeguarded in the definite terms of the Bill itself. With regard to the general principle, I would appeal to the hon. Member not to seek to insert in an Act of Parliament details as to the regulations necessary to the administration of the Act. It is one thing for Parliament to retain a general superintendence over administration, and it is quite another thing for Parliament to endeavour to carry out the details of the administration. Those ought to be carried out by bodies with general powers, of administration.

Mr. RAWLINSON

I think my hon. Friend has done a good service in bringing this matter forward. I differ entirely from the Home Secretary and it is exactly the difference of opinion that a person out of office has with a person in office. This is an entirely new system of relegating important matters to a Government department which has sprung up since the Lunacy Act 1890, where every detail was carefully set out in the Bill. I am not going to lay the blame on this Government or the last Government, whichever it may be, and it is a matter which has come to a head in the last two or three years. This Section is probably as bad as any Section in any recent Act of Parliament. In Clause 40 the whole of the powers of the House of Commons are being passed to the Secretary of State who is to make regulations in any way he thinks fit. I am not distrusting the present occupant of the office in the least, but it is a bad system to relegate things that have always, been dealt with by the House to a bureau, however well that bureau may be administered by any particular man. It must be remembered that Clause 24, Sub-section (2) states that it is all to be without prejudice to their powers and duties under regulations made by the Home Secretary. When you come to read pages 26 and 27 of the Bill (Clause 40) you see the Home Secretary makes such regulations as he likes not included in the Act of Parliament. There is a difficulty in getting hold of a copy of regulations of this kind and therefore I think my hon. Friend is right in calling the attention of the House to this matter, and I also think it is important that the House should know that it is parting with a considerable portion of its rights and I believe, too large a portion.

Sir A. MARKHAM

I should like to know whether these regulations are to be laid on the Table of the House or not, because I was told by an hon. Member sitting on the benches below that under Scottish Bills these regulations have to be laid on the Table. I do not know whether that is correct or not.

Mr. McKENNA

Clause 67.

Sir A. MARKHAM

Then have they to be laid? I can only give again the case in which I wrote at least twenty or thirty letters to the Home Office and it was impossible to get a release. It was not the right hon. Gentleman (Mr. McKenna). It was some of his predecessors who simply gave a stereotyped reply. Ought there not to be some appeal for the liberty of the subject, and could there not be independent experts? The Home Secretary said "No, I am going to rely on the medical officer of the asylum." Therefore, there is no liberty of the subject if these regulations are not going to be laid on the Table of the House. Of course, we shall never have any opportunity of discussing them—

Mr. RAWLINSON

May I interrupt on a point of Order? Under the section referred to, Section 67, they are not being laid on the Table of the House. Laying on the Table is a perfectly well-known expression, meaning that they are laid on the Table for a certain number of days during which exception can be taken to them. This Clause 67 does not do that. It says they shall be laid before Parliament, "and shall have effect as if enacted in this Act." Therefore, Parliament has no control over them at all.

Sir A. MARKHAM

My point is that if a man is sane and is in an asylum there is not the slightest chance of getting that man out. Is there no appeal if an independent medical man is of opinion that a patient in one of the institutions is of sound mind? Ought that man still to be kept there? In the case I have mentioned there is a man who would still be in Broadmoor Asylum, where he had been for twenty-six years, had it not been for the provisions of an order that enables poor people to be transferred on the ground of the cost of relatives going to see them at long distances.

If it had not been for that he would have been in an asylum to-day, though he is just as sane as the Home Secretary. I went down to this asylum on a great many occasions, and I find myself in exactly the same position to-day as I was seven or eight years ago. Where in the opinion of an independent medical man a patient is not insane, will the Home Secretary say to me that there is no appeal against the stereotyped order of the Home Office? His predecessors said, "We are not going to be guided, even if you bring the greatest specialists down from London, by their opinion, but by that of the medical officer of the institution." That is not protection of the liberty of the subject, and I do say that in a case of this kind—where a man has been twenty-six years in an asylum, although as sane as any man in this House, and a good deal saner, perhaps—and in similar cases, anyone who tries to deal with them runs bang up against the orders of the Home Office.

Cannot the Home Secretary say why this wretched man was used for the purposes of the officials of the prison—that is to say, why he was made to look after the garden and to shave the officials. The man is now a free subject, and as I have said, a constituent of my own, entitled to vote in the election of a Member of this House. What I want to know is, cannot the Home Secretary give me some hope that in a similar case there will be a right of appeal of some kind or other to a specialist, so as to get away from the stereotyped officials of the Home Office. Everybody who has had to fight the officials of the Home Office knows that when you begin a job of that kind you will be running up against a stone wall all the time. I am dealing here with a matter which caused me an intense amount of worry and annoyance, and I want to get a sympathetic reply from the Home Office.

May I point out that in Clause 24 provision is only made for the inspection of a certified institution by a Commissioner once in every year, whereas, in the case of a prison like Broadmoor the Commissioners are going there continually. It is because of the risks that a man, such as I have described, may be kept in an institution of this kind for a longer period than is necessary that I am putting these facts before the Home Secretary.

Dr. CHAPPLE

May I point out to the hon. Baronet that he will have no difficulty whatever in getting a discharge for anybody who is an inmate of a certified institution under Clause 24. All the hon. Baronet would have to do would be to persuade one of the Commissioners to discharge the case, and the period of detention would at once cease.

Question put, "That paragraph (g) stand part of the Bill."

The House divided: Ayes, 182; Noes. 24.

Division No. 231.] AYES. [2.35 a.m.
Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) Duffy, William J. Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West)
Acland, Francis Dyke Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley) Levy, Sir Maurice
Adamson, William Edwards, John Hugh (Glamorgan, Mid) Lewis, Rt. Hon. John Herbert
Allen, Arthur A. (Dumbartonshire) Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) Lundon, Thomas
Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford. N.) Lyell, Charles Henry
Arnold, Sydney Eyres-Monsell, Bolton M. Lynch, A. A.
Baird, John Lawrence Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich)
Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) Ffrench, Peter Macdonald, J. Ramsay (Leicester)
Barnes, George N. Field, William McGhee, Richard
Barran, Rowland Hurst (Leeds, N.) Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward Maclean, Donald
Barton, William Fitzgibbon, John Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J.
Beck, Arthur Cecil Flavin, Michael Joseph Macpherson, James Ian
Benn, W. W. (T. Hamlets, St. George) France, G. A. MacVeagh, Jeremiah
Bennett-Goldney, Francis Gilmour, Captain John McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald
Bentham, George Jackson Gladstone. W. G. C. M'Laren, Hon.F.W.S. (Lincs., Spalding)
Boland, John Pius Glazebrook, Captain Philip K. M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's)
Bowerman, Charles W. Goldstone, Frank Manfield, Harry
Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) Griffith, Ellis Jones Marks, Sir George Croydon
Brace, William Gulland, John William Marshall, Arthur Harold
Brady, Patrick Joseph Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) Meagher, Michael
Bridgeman, William Clive Hackett, John Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.)
Brunner, John F. L. Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) Meehan, Patrick J. (Queen's Co., Leix)
Bryce, J. Annan Harvey,T. E. (Leeds, West) Middlebrook, William
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Hayden, John Patrick Millar, James Duncan
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Hazleton, Richard Molloy, Michael
Cawley, Harold T. (Lancs., Heywood) Helme, Sir Norval Watson Montagu, Hon. E. S.
Chancellor, Henry George Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Morrell, Philip
Chapple, Dr. William Allen Henry, Sir Charles Muldoon, John
Clancy, John Joseph Higham, John Sharp Munro, Robert
Clay, Captain H. H. Spender Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. Murphy, Martin J.
Clough, William Horner, Andrew Long Murray, Captain Hon. Arthur C.
Clynes, John R. Howard, Hon. Geoffrey Needham, Christopher T.
Condon, Thomas Joseph Hughes, Spencer Leigh Nolan, Joseph
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Illingworth, Percy H. O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Cotton, William Francis John, Edward Thomas O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)
Craig, Ernest (Cheshire, Crewe) Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) O'Doherty, Philip
Crumley, Patrick Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) O'Donnell, Thomas
Cullinan, John Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) O'Dowd, John
Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) O'Malley, William
Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) Joyce, Michael O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.)
Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Keating, Matthew O'Neill. Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid)
Delany, William Kelly, Edward O'Shaughnessy, P. J.
Denman, Hon. Richard Douglas Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr O'Shee, James John
Devlin, Joseph Kilbride, Denis O'Sullivan, Timothy
Dickinson, W. H. King, Joseph Palmer, Godfrey Mark
Donelan, Captain A. Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) Parker, James (Halifax)
Doris, William Lardner, James C. R. Parry, Thomas H.
Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington) Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees) Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Phillips, John (Longford, S.) Sanders, Robert Arthur White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston)
Pointer, Joseph Scanlan, Thomas White, Sir Luke (Yorks, E.R.)
Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. Seely, Rt. Hon. Colonel J. E. B. White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Pryce-Jones, Colonel E. Sheehy, David Whyte, A. F. (Perth)
Reddy, Michael Shortt, Edward Wiles, Thomas
Redmond, John E. (Waterford) Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.) Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset, W.)
Redmond, William (Clare, E.) Stanley, Albert (Staffs, N.W.) Williamson, Sir Archibald
Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.) Stewart, Gershom Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) Strauss, Edward A. (Southwark, West) Wing, Thomas Edward
Roberts, George H. (Norwich) Sutherland, John E.
Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside) Sutton, John E.
Robinson, Sidney Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Captain Guest and Mr. Webb.
Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) Taylor, Thomas (Bolton)
Rowlands, James Tennant, Harold John
NOES.
Baker, Sir Randolf L. (Dorset, N.) Falle, Bertram Godfray Lewisham, Viscount
Barnston, Harry Gibbs, G. A. Parkes, Ebenezer
Bigland, Alfred Goldsmith, Frank Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel
Booth, Frederick Handel Grant, J. A. Sanderson, Lancelot
Burn, Colonel C. R. Greene, W. R. Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Chaloner, Colonel R. G. W. Gretton, John White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport)
Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham Henderson, Major M. (Berkshire)
Dalrymple, Viscount Hogge, James Myles TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. W. Guinness and Sir A. Markham.
Denison-Pender, J. C. Hope, Harry (Bute)

Mr. McKENNA rose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question 'That the words of the Bill to the word "January" [in Clause 71], stand part of the Bill,' be now put."

Question put, "That the Question 'That the words of the Bill to the word "January" [in Clause 71], stand part of the Bill,' be now put."

The House divided: Ayes, 161; Noes, 42.

Division No. 232.] AYES. [2.44 a.m.
Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley) Lundon, Thomas
Acland, Francis Dyke Edwards, John Hugh (Glamorgan, Mid) Lyell, Charles
Adamson, William Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) Lynch, Arthur Alfred
Allen, Arthur A. (Dumbartonshire) Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich)
Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson Macdonald, J. Ramsay (Leicester)
Arnold, Sydney Ffrench, Peter McGhee, Richard
Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) Field, William Maclean, Donald
Barnes, George N. Fitzgibbon, John Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J.
Barran, Rowland Hurst (Leeds, N.) Flavin, Michael Joseph Macpherson, James Ian
Barton, William France, Gerald Ashburner MacVeagh, Jeremiah
Beauchamp, Sir Edward Gladstone, W. G. C. McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald
Beck, Arthur Cecil Goldstone, Frank M'Laren, Hon.F.W.S. (Lincs.,Spalding)
Benn, W. W. (T. Hamlets, St. George) Griffith, Ellis J. Manfield, Harry
Bentham, George Jackson Gulland, John William Markham, Sir Arthur Basil
Boland, John Pius Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) Marks, Sir George Croydon
Bowerman, C. W. Hackett, John Marshall, Arthur H.
Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) Meagher, Michael
Brace, William Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, West) Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.)
Brady, Patrick Joseph Hayden, John Patrick Meehan, Patrick J. (Queen's Co., Leix)
Brunner, John F. L. Hazleton, Richard Middlebrook, William
Bryce, J. Annan Helme, Sir Norval Watson Millar, James Duncan
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Molloy, M.
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Henry, Sir Charles Montagu, Hon. E. S.
Cawley, Harold (Lancs., Heywood) Higham, John Sharp Muldoon, John
Chancellor, H. G. Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. Munro, R.
Chapple, Dr. William Allen Howard, Hon. Geoffrey Murphy, Martin J.
Clancy, John Joseph Hughes, Spencer Leigh Murray, Captain Hon. A. C.
Clough, William Illingworth, Percy H. Nolan, Joseph
Clynes, J. R. John, Edward Thomas O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Condon, Thomas Joseph Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) O'Doherty, Philip
Cotton, William Francis Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) O'Donnell, Thomas
Crumley, Patrick Jones William (Carnarvonshire) O'Dowd, John
Cullinan, John Joyce, Michael O'Malley, William
Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) Keating, Matthew O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.)
Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) Kelly, Edward O'Shaughnessy, P. J.
Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol) Kilbride, Denis O'Shee, James John
Delany, William King, J. O'Sullivan, Timothy
Denman, Hon. Richard Douglas Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) Palmer, Godfrey Mark
Devlin, Joseph Lardner, James C. R. Parker, James (Halifax)
Dickinson, W. H. Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West) Parry, Thomas H.
Donelan, Captain A. Leach, Charles Phillips, John (Longford, S.)
Doris, William Levy, Sir Maurice Pointer, Joseph
Duffy, William J. Lewis, Rt. Hon. John Herbert Reddy, M.
Redmond, John E. (Waterford) Seely, Rt. Hon. Colonel J. E. B. Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Redmond, William (Clare, E.) Sheehy, David White, J, Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston)
Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.) Shortt, Edward White, Sir Luke (Yorks, E.R.)
Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.) White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) Stanley, Albert (Staffs, N.W.) Wiles, Thomas
Robertson, John M. (Tyneside) Strauss, Edward A. (Southwark, West) Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Robinson, Sidney Sutherland, John E. Wing, Thomas Edward
Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) Sutton, John E.
Rowlands, James Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Captain Guest and Mr. Webb.
Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees) Taylor, Thomas (Bolton)
Scan Ian, Thomas Tennant, Harold John
NOES.
Baird, John Lawrence Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward Needham, Christopher T.
Baker, Sir Randolf L. (Dorset. N.) Gibbs, G. A. O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid)
Barnston, Harry Gilmour, Captain John Parkes, Ebenezer
Bennett-Goldney Francis Glazebrook, Captain Philip K. Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington)
Bigland, Alfred Grant, James Augustus | Pryce-Jones, Colonel E.
Booth, Frederick Handel Greene, Walter Raymond Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel
Bridgeman, W. Clive Guinness, Hon.W. E. (Bury S. Edmunds) Sanders, Robert Arthur
Burn, Colonel C. R. Henderson, Major H. (Berks, Abingdon) Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Chaloner, Colonel R. G. W. Hogge, James Myles Stewart, Gershom
Clay, Captain H. H. Spender Hope, Harry (Bute) White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport)
Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham Horner, A. L. Whyte, A. F. (Perth)
Craig, Ernest (Cheshire, Crewe) Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset, W.)
Dalrymple, Viscount Lewisham, Viscount
Denison-Pender, J. C. M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. Goldsmith and Mr. Falle.
Eyres-Monsell, Bolton, M. Morrell, Philip

Question put accordingly, "That the words of the Bill to the word 'January' [in Clause 71], stand part of the Bill."

The House divided: Ayes, 187; Noes, 16.

Division No. 233.] AYES. [2.50 a.m.
Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) Denman, Hon. Richard Douglas Keating, Matthew
Acland, Francis Dyke Devlin, Joseph Kelly, Edward
Adamson, William Dickinson, W. H. Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr
Allen, Arthur A. (Dumbartonshire) Donelan, Captain A. Kilbride, Denis
Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) Doris, William King, Joseph
Arnold, Sydney Duffy, William J. Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade)
Baird, John Lawrence Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley) Lardner, James C. R.
Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) Edwards, John Hugh (Glamorgan, Mid) Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West)
Baker, Sir Randolf L. (Dorset, N.) Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) Leach, Charles
Barnes, George N. Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) Levy, Sir Maurice
Barnston, Harry Eyres-Monsell, Bolton M. Lewis, Rt. Hon. John Herbert
Barran, Rowland Hurst (Leeds, N.) Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson Lewisham, Viscount
Barton, William Ffrench, Peter Lundon, Thomas
Beauchamp, Sir Edward Field, William Lyell, Charles Henry
Beck, Arthur Cecil Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward Lynch, Arthur Alfred
Benn, W. W. (T. Hamlets, St. George) Fitzgibbon, John Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich)
Bennett-Goldney, Francis Flavin, Michael Joseph Macdonald, J. Ramsay (Leicester)
Bentham, George Jackson France, Gerald Ashburner McGhee, Richard
Bigland, Alfred Gibbs, George Abraham Maclean, Donald
Boland, John Pius Gilmour, Captain John Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J.
Bowerman, Charles W. Gladstone, W. G. C. Macpherson, James Ian
Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) Glazebrook. Captain Philip K. MacVeagh, Jeremiah
Brace, William Goldstone, Frank McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald
Brady, Patrick Joseph F. L. Griffith, Ellis Jones M'Laren, Hon. F.W.S. (Lincs.,Spalding)
Brunner, John F. L. Gulland, John William M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's)
Bryce, John Annan Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) Manfield, Harry
Burn, Colonel C. R. Hackett, John Markham, Sir Arthur Basil
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Harcourt, Robert V (Montrose) Marks, Sir George Croydon
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, West) Marshall, Arthur Harold
Cawley, Harold T. (Lancs., Heywood) Hayden, John Patrick Meagher, Michael
Chancellor, Henry George Hazleton, Richard Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.)
Chapple, Dr. William Allen, Helme, Sir Norval Watson Meehan, Patrick J. (Queen's Co., Leix)
Clancy, John Joseph Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Middlebrook, William
Clay, Captain H. H. Spender Henderson, Major H. (Berks, Abingdon) Millar, James Duncan
Clough, William Henry, Sir Charles Molloy, Michael
Clynes, J. R. Higham, John Sharp Montagu, Hon. E. S.
Condon, Thomas Joseph Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. Morrell, Philip
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Howard, Hon. Geoffrey Muldoon, John
Cotton, William Francis Hughes, Spencer Leigh Munro, Robert
Craig, Ernest (Cheshire, Crewe) Illingworth, Percy H. Murphy, Martin J.
Crumley, Patrick John, Edward Thomas Murray, Captain Hon. Arthur C.
Cullinan, John Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) Needham, Christopher T.
Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) Nolan, Joseph
Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)
Delany, William Joyce, Michael O'Doherty, Philip
O'Donnell, Thomas Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) Sutton, John E.
O'Dowd, John Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
O'Malley, William Robertson, John M. (Tyneside) Taylor, Thomas (Bolton)
O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) Robinson, Sidney Tennant, Harold John
O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid) Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) Trevelyan, Charles Philips
O'Shee, James John Rowlands, James White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport)
O'Sullivan, Timothy Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-tees) White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston)
Palmer, Godfrey Mark Sanders, Robert Arthur White, Sir Luke (Yorks, E.R.)
Parker, James (Halifax) Scanlan, Thomas White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Parry, Thomas H. Seely, Rt. Hon. Colonel J. E. B. Whyte, A. F. (Perth)
Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington) Sheehy, David Wiles, Thomas
Phillips, John (Longford, S.) Shortt, Edward Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset, W.)
Pointer, Joseph Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.) Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Pryce-Jones, Col. E. (Montgom'y B'ghs) Stanley, Albert (Staffs, N.W.) Wing, Thomas Edward
Reddy, Michael Stewart, Gershom
Redmond, John E. (Waterford) Strauss, Edward A, (Southwark, West) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Captain Guest and Mr. Webb.
Redmond, William (Clare, E.) Sutherland, John E.
Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.)
NOES.
Booth, Frederick Handel Grant, James Augustus Parkes, Ebenezer
Bridgeman, W. Clive Greene, Walter Raymond Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Chaloner, Colonel R. G. W. Guinness, Hon.W. E. (Bury S. Edmunds)
Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham Hogge, James Myles TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. Wedgwood and Mr. Goldsmith.
Dalrymple, Viscount Hope, Harry (Bute)
Falle, Bertram Godfray Horner, Andrew Long

Question, "That those words be there added," put, and agreed to.