HC Deb 04 February 1913 vol 47 cc2148-53

(1) The value of the existing interest of the holder of an ecclesiastical office in any property shall be taken to be the value as on the first day of January, nineteen hundred and thirteen of an annuity payable half-yearly, commencing on that date during the life of the person who was at that date holder of the office, of an amount equal to the annual value of the interest.

(2) In determining the value of such annuity as aforesaid, interest shall be calculated at the rate of 3é per cent, per annum, and the tables to be used shall be the Tables of Mortality of Government Life Annuitants (1912), subject however to such allowance as may be determined, in default of agreement between the Welsh Commissioners and the representative body, by an actuary appointed by the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, after giving the parties, if they desire it, an opportunity of being heard, to be the proper allowance to be made on account of the greater longevity of the clergy as compared with other classes of the community, and on account of any prospective-decrease in the death rate.

(3) The annual value of the interest shall be taken to be—

  1. (a) if the interest is an interest in specific property, the annual income derived from that property; and
  2. (b) if the interest consists of a right to receive a fixed annual sum, the amount of that sum,
after deducting any tenths payable by the holder of the ecclesiastical office.

(4) The annual income derived from property shall be taken to be—

  1. (a) in the case of tithe rent-charge, the amount of the tithe rent-charge according to the septennial average in force at the date of Disestablishment, after deducting two and one-half per cent, on account of the cost of collection and the average amount paid during the three years preceding the passing of this Act on account of rates and land tax;
  2. (b) in the case of land which is at the date of Disestablishment subject to a contract of tenancy, the annual amount payable by way of rent under the contract by the tenant after deducting the amount of any fixed charges on the land and Land Tax (unless borne by the tenant) and, except where the contract is a repairing lease, after deducting 9 per cent, on account of repairs and other outgoings:

Provided that, if in any case the representative body so require, the annual income shall be taken to be—

(i) where the contract is a building lease of which less than sixty years remain unexpired, such amount as, in default of agreement, may be determined by arbitration having regard to the then present value of the reversion expectant on the determination of the lease; and

(ii) where the contract is a mining lease, such amount as, in default of agreement, may be determined by arbitration; and

(iii) where the contract is not a building or a mining lease, one twenty-fifth of the gross value of the land as determined for the purposes of Part I. of the Finance (1909–10) Act, 1910;

(c) in the case of land which, at the date of Disestablishment, is not subject to a contract of tenancy, the annual value of the land as ascertained at that date for the purposes of Schedule A of the Income Tax Acts, after deducting the amount of any fixed charges on the land:

Provided that, if in any case the representative body so require, the annual income shall be taken to be one twenty-fifth of the gross value of the land as determined for the purposes of Part I. of the Finance (1909–10) Act, 1910.

(5) For the purposes of this Schedule—

The expression "fixed charge" has the same meaning as in the Finance (1909–10) Act, 1910;

The expressions "building lease" and "mining lease" have the same meanings as in the Settled Land Act, 1882;

The expression "repairing lease" means a lease under which the tenant undertakes to bear the cost of repairs;

The expression "contract of tenancy" means a letting of or agreement for letting land for a term of years, or for lives, or for lives and years, or from year to year.

Question put, "That the Schedule be added to the Bill."

The House divided: Ayes, 275; Noes, 167.

Division No. 574.] AYES. [11.12 p.m.
Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) Barnes, G. N. Buckmaster, Stanley O.
Abraham, Rt. Hon. William (Rhondda) Barton, W. Burke, E. Haviland-
Acland, Francis Dyke Beale, Sir William Phipson Burns, Rt. Hon. John
Adamson, William Beck, Arthur Cecil Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas
Addison, Dr. Christopher Benn, W. W. (T. Hamlets, St. George) Buxton, Rt. Hon. Sydney C. (Poplar)
Agar-Robartes, Hon. T. C. R. Bentham, G. J. Byles, Sir William Pollard
Agnew, Sir George William Bethell, Sir J. H. Carr-Gomm, H. W.
Ainsworth, John Stirling Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine Cawley, Harold T. (Lanes., Heywood)
Alden, Percy Boland, John Plus Chapple, Dr. William Allen
Allen, Arthur A. (Dumbarton) Booth, Frederick Handel Clancy, John Joseph
Arnold, Sydney Brace, William Clough, William
Baker, H. T. (Accrington) Brady, P. J. Clynes, John R.
Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) Brocklehurst, W. B. Collins, Stephen (Lambeth)
Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) Brunner, John F. L. Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J.
Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) Bryce, J. Annan Cornwall, Sir Edwin A.
Cotton, William Francis Howard, Hon. Geoffrey Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham)
Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) Hudson, Walter Phillips, John (Longford, S.)
Crawshay-Williams, Eliot Hughes, S. L. Pointer, Joseph
Crumley, Patrick Illingworth, Percy H. Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H.
Dalziel, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. (Kirkcaldy) Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.)
Davies, David (Montgomery Co.) John, Edward Thomas Primrose, Hon. Neil James
Davies, E. William (Eiflon) Jones, Rt.Hon.sir D.Brynmor (Swansea) Pringle, William M. R.
Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) Jones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvll) Radford, G. H.
Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) Raffan, Peter Wilson
Dawes, James Arthur Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) Raphael, Sir Herbert H.
De Forest, Baron Jones, Leif Stratten (Rushcliffe) Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields)
Delany, William Jones, W. S. Glyn- (T. H'mts.,Stepney) Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough)
Denman, Hon. R. D. Joyce, Michael Reddy, M.
Devlin, Joseph Keating, Matthew. Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
Dewar, Sir J. A. Kellaway, Frederick George Redmond, William (Clare, E.)
Dickinson, W. H. Kennedy, Vincent Paul Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.)
Dillon, John Kilbride, Denis Rendall, Athelstan
Donelan, Captain A. King, J. Richards, Thomas
Doris, W. Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon,S.Molton) Richardson, Albion (Peckham)
Duffy, William J. Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven)
Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) Lardner, James Carrige Rushe Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)
Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley) Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West) Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)
Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.) Leach, Charles Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs)
Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) Levy, Sir Maurice Robertson, John M. (Tyneside)
Edwards, John Hugh (Glamorgan, Mid) Lewis, John Herbert Robinson, Sidney
Elverston, Sir Harold Low, Sir Frederick (Norwich) Roch, Walter F.
Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) Lundon, Thomas Roche, Augustine (Louth)
Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) Lyell, Charles Henry Roe, Sir Thomas
Essex, Sir Richard Walter Lynch, A. A. Rose, Sir Charles Day
Esslemont, George Birnie Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) Rowlands, James
Falconer, J. McGhee, Richard Rowntree, Arnold
Farrell, James Patrick Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W.
Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South) Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland)
Firench, Peter Macpherson, James Ian Scanlan, Thomas
Field, William MacVeagh, Jeremiah Sheehy, David
Fitzgibbon, John M'Callum, Sir John M. Sherwell, Arthur James
Flavin, Michael Joseph McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald Shortt, Edward
George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd M'Laren, Hon. F.W.S. (Lincs.,Spalding) Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John Allsebrook
Gill, A. H. M'Mlcking, Major Gilbert Smith, Albert (Lanes., Clitheroe)
Glanvillc, Harold James Marks, Sir George Croydon Smith, H. B. L. (Northampton)
Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford Marshall, Arthur Harold Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.)
Goldstone, Frank Martin, Joseph Strauss, Edward A. (Southwark, Wesh)
Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) Meagher, Michael Sutherland, J. E.
Greenwood, Hamar (Sunderland) Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) Sutton, John E.
Greig, Colonel J. W. Middlebrook, William Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Griffiths, Ellis J. Millar, James Duncan Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Guest, Major Hon. C. H. C. (Pembroke) Molloy, M. Taylor, Thomas (Bolton)
Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) Molteno, Percy Alport Tennant, Harold John
Gulland, John William Mond, Sir Alfred Moritz Thomas, J. H.
Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) Money, L. G. Chlozza Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton)
Hackett, J. Mooney, J. J. Thorne, William (West Ham)
Hall, F. (Yorks, Normanton) Morgan, George Hay Verney, Sir Harry
Hancock, John George Morrell, Philip Wadsworth, J.
Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) Morison, Hector Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince)
Hardie, J. Keir Morton, Alpheus Cleophas Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent)
Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) Muldoon, John Ward, W. Dudley (Southampton)
Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) Munro, R. Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay
Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, West) Munro-Ferguson, Rt. Hon. R. C. Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan)
Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N.E.) Needham, Christopher T. Watt, Henry A.
Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) Nolan, Joseph White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston)
Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry Norton, Captain Cecil W White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Hayden, John Patrick O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Whitehouse, John Howard
Hay ward, Evan O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P.
Hazleton, Richard O'Doherty, Philip Whyte, A. F. (Perth)
Healy, Maurice (Cork) O'Dowd, John Wiles, Thomas
Healy, Timothy Michael (Cork, N.E.) O'Grady, James Wiikie, Alexander
Henderson, Arthur (Durham) O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) Williams, J. (Glamorgan)
Henry, Sir Charles O'Malley, William Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen)
Herbert, General Sir Ivor (Mon., S.) O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Worcs., N.)
Higham, John Sharp O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Hinds, John O'Shee, James John Winfrey, Richard
Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. O'Sullivan, Timothy Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glas.,)
Hodge, John Outhwaite, R. L. Young, William (Perth, East)
Hogge, James Myles Palmer, Godfrey Mark Yoxall, Sir James Henry
Holmes, Daniel Turner Parker, James (Halifax)
Holt, Richard Dunning Parry, Thomas H. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. W. Jones and Mr. Webb.
Hope, John Deans (Haddington) Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek)
Horne, C. Silvester (Ipswich) Pearce, William (Limehouse)
NOES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Astor, Waldorf Banbury, Sir Frederick George
Anson, Rt. Hon. Sir William R. Balrd, J. L. Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester)
Ashley, W. W. Baker, Sir Randolf L. (Dorset, N.) Barlow, Montague (Salford, South)
Barnston, Harry Grant, J. A. O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid).
Barrie, H. T. Greene, W. R. Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A.
Bathunst, Charles (Wilts, Wilton) Guinness, Hon. Rupert (Essex, S.E.) Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William
Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks Guinness, Hon. W.E. (Bury S.Edmunds) Peel, Captain R. F. (Woodbridge)
Beauchamp, Sir Edward Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) Perkins, Walter F.
Beckett, Hon, Gervase Hall, Frederick (Dulwich) Peto, Basil Edward
Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) Hall, Marshall (E. Toxteth) Pole-Carew, Sir R.
Bennett-Goldney, Francis Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence Pollock, Ernest Murray
Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish- Harris, Henry Percy Pretyman, Ernest George
Bigland, Alfred Harrison-Broadley, H. B. Quilter, Sir William Eley C.
Bird, A. Helmsley, Viscount Randies, Sir John S.
Blair, Reginald Herbert, Hon. A. (Somerset, S.) Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel
Boles, Lieut.-Colonel Dennis Fortescue Howins, William Albert Samuel Rawson, Col. R. H.
Boyle, William (Norfolk, Mid) Hickman, Colonel T. E. Rees, Sir J. D.
Boyton, James Hill, Sir Clement L. Remnant, James Farquharson
Bridgeman, W. Clive Hills, John Waller Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall)
Burdett-Coutts, W. Hill-Wood, Samuel Rolleston, Sir J. D.
Burn, Colonel C. R. Hoare, Samuel John Gurney Royds, Edmund
Butcher, J. G. Hope, Harry (Bute) Rutherford, John (Lancs., Darwen)
Campion, W. R. Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) Rutherford, Watson (L'pool, W. Derby)
Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred Hope, Major J. A. (Midlothian) Salter, Arthur Clavell
Cassel, Felix Home, Edgar (Surey, Guildford) Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood)
Cator, John Hunt, Rowland Sanders, Robert A.
Cave, George Hunter, Sir C. R. Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Ingleby, Holcombe Spear, Sir John Ward
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Oxford Univ.) Jardine, Ernest (Somerset, East) Stanier, Beville
Chaloner, Col. R. G. W. Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston)
Clay, Captain H. H. Spender Kerry, Earl of Starkey, John R.
Clive, Captain Percy Archer Kimber, Sir Henry Stewart, Gershom
Clyde, J. Avon Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Talbot, Lord E.
Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham Knight, Captain E. A. Terrell, G. (Wilts, N.W.)
Cooper, Richard Ashmole Kyffin-Taylor, G. Terrell, H. (Gloucester)
Courthope, G. Loyd Lane-Fox, G. R. Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, N.)
Craig, Ernest (Cheshire, Crewe) Larmor, Sir J. Touche, George Alexander
Craig, Captain James (Down, E.) Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle) Tullibardine, Marquess of
Craig, Norman (Kent, Thanet) lawson, Hon. H. (T. H'mts, Mile End) Vaientia, Viscount
Craik, Sir Henry Lewlsham, Viscount Ward, A. S. (Herts, Watford)
Crichton-Stuart, Lord Ninian Locker-Lampsoll, O. (Ramsey) Warde, Col. C. E. (Kent, Mid)
Cripps, Sir Charles Alfred Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R. Wheler, Granville C. H.
Dalrymple, Viscount Long, Rt. Hon. Walter White, Major G. D. (Lanes., Southport)
Doughty, Sir George Lowe, Sir F. (Birm., Edgbaston) Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Duke, Henry Edward Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (S. Geo.,Han. S.) Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud
Eyres-Monsell, B. M. Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich) Wills, Sir Gilbert
Falle, Bertram Godfray M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's) Wood, John (Stalybridge)
Finlay, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert Meysey-Thompson, E. C. Worthington-Evans, L.
Fitzroy, Hon. Edward A. Mildmay, Francis Bingham Wright, Henry Fitzherbert
Fleming, Valentine Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas Yate, Col. Charles Edward
Forster, Henry William Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton) Yerburgh, Robert A.
Gibbs, G. A. Mount, William Arthur Younger, Sir George
Gilmour, Captain John Neville, Reginald J. N.
Gladstone, W. G. C. Newdegate, F. A.
Goldsmith, Frank Newman, John R. P. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. Fell and Col. Pryce-Jones
Gordon, Hon John Edward (Brighton) Newton, Harry Kottingham
Goulding, Edward Alfred Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield)