HC Deb 11 December 1912 vol 45 cc619-39

(1) His Majesty may make Orders in Council for the purpose of the transitory provisions of this Act, and may, by any such Order, make or direct to be made such arrangements as seem necessary or proper for setting in motion the Irish Parliament and Government, and also for any other matter for which it seems to His Majesty necessary or proper to make provision for the purpose of bringing this Act into full operation or for giving full effect to the future transfer under or by virtue of this Act of a reserved service; and in particular His Majesty may by any such Order in Council—

  1. (a) make such adaptations of any enactments so far as they relate to Ireland as may appear to him necessary or proper in order to give effect to the provisions of this Act, and also make any adaptations of any enactments so far as they relate to England or Scotland, as may appear to him necessary or proper as a consequence of any change effected by the provisions of this Act; and
  2. (b) make such adaptation of any enactments as appear to him necessary or proper with respect to the execution of the reserved services, and in particular provide for the exercise or performance of any powers or duties in connection with those services by any Department of the Government of the United Kingdom or officer of that Government where any such powers or duties are, under any existing Act, to be exercised or performed by any Department in Ire-which will cease to exist as a Department of the Government of the United Kingdom; and
  3. (c) make regulations with respect to the relations of the Irish and British Post Offices, and in particular may provide for an apportionment of the capital liabilities of the Post Office between the Irish Exchequer and the Exchequer of the United Kingdom, and for apportioning any receipts and expenses in respect of foreign mails or other foreign postal services (including telegrams and telephones), between the two Post Offices, and for facilities being given in respect of postal services generally by the one Post Office to the other, especially in relation to 620 submarine telegraphs or telegraphic communication with any place out of the United Kingdom; and
  4. (d) on any transfer under this Act of the public services in connection with the administration of the Old Age Pensions Acts, 1908 and 1011, make provision for securing the payment of an old age pension to any person who is entitled to the payment of such a pension at the time of the transfer, while he continues so entitled; and
  5. (e) on the transfer under this Act of public services in connection with Post Office Savings Banks, or Trustee Savings Banks, make provisions for giving a depositor in any transferred Post Office Savings Bank the right to repayment of any sums due to him in respect of his deposits at the time of the transfer, and for giving the trustees of any Trustee Savings Bank in Ireland the right to close their bank and to require repayment of all sums due to them from the National Debt Commissioners, and for securing to the holder of any annuity or policy of insurance granted before the date of the transfer by a Post Office or Trustee Savings Bank the payment of the annuity or of any sums due under the policy; and
  6. (f) make provision with respect to the transfer and apportionment of any property, rights, and liabilities in connection with Irish services; and
  7. (g) provide, in cases where the same Act deals with reserved matters and with other matters, for specifying the matters dealt with by the Act which are to be treated in accordance with this Act as reserved matters.

Government Amendment:

To leave out in Sub-section (1), the words "make Orders in Council for the purpose of the transitory provisions of this Act, and may, by any such Order, make or direct to be made, such arrangements," and to insert thereof the words, "by Orders in Council (in this Act referred to as Irish Transfer Orders), make such regulations."—[Mr. Birrell.]

Question put, "That the Amendment be made."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 321; Noes, 197.

Division No. 422. AYES. [10.35 p.m.
Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) Barton, W.
Acland, Francis Dyke Arnold, Sydney Beaie, Sir W. phipson
Adamson, William Baker, Harold T, (Accrington) Beauchamp, Sir Edward
Addison, Dr. C. Baker, Joseph A. (Finsbury, E.) Beck, Arthur Cecil
Adkins, Sir W. Ryland D. Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) Benn, W. W. (T. Hamlets, S. George)
Agnew, Sir George William Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) Bentham, G. J.
Ainsworth, John Stirling Barlow, Sir John Emmott (Somerset) Bethell, Sir J. H.
Allen, Arthur Acland (Dumbartonshire) Barnes, George N. Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine
Black, Arthur W. Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) Munro-Ferguson, Rt. Hon. R. C.
Boland, John Pius Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) Murray, Captain Hon. Arthur C.
Booth, Frederick Handel Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.) Nannetti, Joseph
Bowerman, C. W. Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N. E.) Needham, Christopher T.
Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) Haslam, James (Derbyshire) Nolan, Joseph
Brace, William Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) Norman, Sir Henry
Brady, P. J. Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry Norton, Captain Cecil W.
Brocklehurst, W. B. Hayden, John Patrick Nugent, Sir Walter Richard
Brunner, John F. L. Hayward, Evan Nuttall, Harry
Bryce, J. Annan Hazleton, Richard O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Buckmaster, Stanley O. Healy, Timothy Michael (Cork, N. E.) O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)
Burke, E. Haviland- Helme, Sir Norval Watson O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Henderson, Arthur (Durham) O'Doherty Philip
Buxton, Rt. Hon. S. C. (Poplar) Henry, Sir Charles O'Donnell, Thomas
Byles, Sir William Pollard Herbert, Colonel Sir Ivor (Mon., S.) O'Dowd, John
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Higham, John Sharp Ogden, Fred
Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) Hinds, John O'Grady, James
Cawley, H. T. (Lancs., Heywood) Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.)
Chancellor, H. G. Hodge, John O'Malley, William
Clancy, John Joseph Hogge, James Myles O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.)
Clough, William Helmes, Daniel Turner O'Shaughnessy, P. J.
Clynes, John R. Holt, Richard Durning O'Shee, James John
Collins, Godfrey P. (Greenock) Hope, John Deans (Haddington) O'Sullivan, Timothy
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Horne, C. Silvester (Ipswich) Outhwaite, R. L.
Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Hughes, Spencer Leigh Palmer, Godfrey Mark
Condon, Thomas Joseph Illingworth, Percy H. Parker, James (Halifax)
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek)
Cotton, William Francis Jardine, Sir J. (Roxburgh) Pearce, William (Limehouse)
Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) John, Edward Thomas Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham)
Crean, Eugene Jones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvil) Philipps, Col. Ivor (Southampton)
Crooks, William Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) Phillips, John (Longford, S.)
Crumley, Patrick Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) Pointer, Joseph
Cullinan, J. Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) Pollard, Sir George H.
Dalziel, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. (Kirkcaldy) Jones, William (Carnarvonsire) Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H.
Davies, E. William (Eifion) Jones, W. S. Glyn- (Stepney) Power, Patrick Joseph
Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) Jowett, F. W. Price, C. E. (Edinbirgh, Central)
Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Joyce, Michael Priestley, Sir Arthur (Grantham)
Dawes, J. A. Keating, Matthew Priestley, Sir W. E. B (Bradford, E.)
Delany, William Kellaway, Frederick George Pringle, William M. R.
Denman, Hon. R. D. Kennedy, Vincent Paul Radford, G. H.
Devlin, Joseph Kilbride, Denis Raffan, Peter Wilson
Dickinson, W. H. King, Joseph Raphael, Sir Herbert H.
Donelan, Captain A. Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon, S. Molton) Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields)
Doris, W. Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough)
Duffy, William J. Lardner, James Carrige Rushe Reddy, Michael
Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West) Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley) Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rld, Cockerm'th) Redmond, William (Clare, E.)
Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.) Leach, Charles Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.)
Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) Levy, Sir Maurice Rendall, Athelstan
Elverston, Sir Harold Lewis, John Herbert Richards, Thomas
Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) Lough, Rt. Hon. Thomas Richardson, Albion (Peckham)
Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) Lundon, T. Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven)
Falconer, J. Lynch, A. A. Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)
Farrell, James Patrick Macdonald, J. Ramsay (Leicester) Roberts, George H. (Norwich)
Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs)
Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson McGhee, Richard Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford)
Ffrench, Peter MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South) Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside)
Field, William Macpherson, James Ian Robinson, Sidney
Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward MacVeagh, Jeremiah Roch, Walter F.
Fitzgibbon, John M'Callum, Sir John M. Reche, Augustine (Louth)
Flavin, Michael Joseph M'Curdy, C. A. Roe, Sir Thomas
France, G. A. M'Kean, John Rose, Sir Charles Day
George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald Rowlands, James
Gllhooly, James M-Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leics.) Rowntree, Arnold
Gill, A. H. M'Laren, Hon. F. W. S. (Lincs., Spalding) Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter
Ginnell, L. M'Micking, Major Gilbert Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W.
Gladstone, W. G. C. Manfield, Harry Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland]
Glanville, H. J. Markham, Sir Arthur Basil Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees)
Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford Marks, Sir George Croydon Scanian, Thomas
Goldstone, Frank Marshall, Arthur Harold Schwann, Rt. Hon. Sir C. E.
Greenwood, Hamar (Sunderland) Martin, J. Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton)
Greig, Col. J. W. Mason, David M. (Coventry) Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B.
Griffith, Ellis Jones Masterman, Rt. Hon. C. F. G. Sheehy, David
Guest, Major Hon. C. H. C. (Pembroke) Meagher, Michael Sherwell, Arthur James
Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) Shortt, Edward
Guiney, P. Menzies, Sir Walter Simon, Sir John Allsebrook
Gulland, John William Millar, James Duncan Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe)
Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) Molloy, M. Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.)
Hackett, J. Molteno, Percy Alport Snowden, P.
Hall, F. (Normanton) Mond, Sir Alfred Moritz Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Hancock, J. G. Mooney, J. J. Spicer, Rt. Hon. Sir Albert
Harcourt, Rt. Hon. L. (Rossendale) Morrell, Philip Stanley, Albert (Staffs, N. W.)
Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) Morton, Alpheus Cleophas Strauss, Edward A. (Southwark, West)
Hardie, J. Keir Muldoon, John Sutherland, J. E.
Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds) Munro, R. Sutton, John E.
Taylor, John W. (Durham) Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent) Williams, J. (Glamorgan)
Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) Ward, W. Dudley (Southampton) Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen)
Taylor, Thomas (Bolton) Wardle, George J. Williams, P. (Middlesbrough)
Tennant, Harold John Waring, Walter Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.)
Thomas, J. H. Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Worc, N.)
Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton) Wason, Rt. Hon. E, (Clackmannan) Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Thorne, William (West Ham) Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney) Winfrey, Richard
Toulmin, Sir George Watt, Henry A. Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glas.)
Trevelyan, Charles Philips Wedgwood, Josiah C. Young, Samuel (Cavan, East)
Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston) Yoxall, Sir James Henry
Verney, Sir Harry White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Wadsworth, J. Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P.
Walsh, J. (Cork, South) Whyte, A. F. (Perth) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr.
Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince) Wiles, Thomas Geoffrey Howard and Mr. Webb.
Walton, Sir Joseph Wilkie, Alexander
NOES.
Aitken, Sir William Max Goldman, Charles Sydney Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend)
Anson, Rt. Hon Sir William R. Goldsmith, Frank Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington)
Ashley, W. W. Gordon, John (Londonderry, South) Peel, Captain R. F.
Baker, Sir Randolf L. (Dorset, N.) Goulding, Edward Alfred Perkins, Walter F.
Balcarres, Lord Greene, W. R. Pole-Carew, Sir R.
Baldwin, Stanley Gretton, John Pollock, Ernest Murray
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Guinness, Hon. Rupert (Essex, S. E.) Pryce-Jones, Col. E.
Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester) Guinness, Hon. W.E. (Bury S. Edmunds) Quilter, Sir William Eley C.
Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) Haddock, George Bahr Randles, Sir John S.
Barnstone, Harry Hall, D. B. (Isle of Wight) Rawlinson, J. F. P.
Barrie, H. T. Hall, Fred (Dulwich) Rawson, Col. R. H.
Bathurst, Hon. A. B. (Glouc., E.) Hambro, Angus Valdemar Rees, Sir J. D.
Bathurst, Charles (Wilts, Wilton) Hamersley, A. St. George Remnant, James Farquharson
Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks Hamilton, Lord C. J. (Kensington, S.) Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall)
Beckett, Hon. Gervase Hamilton, Marquess of (Londonderry) Rolleston, Sir John
Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence Rothschild, Lionel de
Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish- Harris, Henry Percy Rutherford, John (Lancs., Darwen)
Beresford, Lord Charles Harrison-Broadley, H. B. Rutherford, Watson (L'pool, W. Derby)
Bird, A. Henderson, Major H. (Berks, Abingdon) Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood)
Blair, Reginald Herbert, Hon. A. (Somerset, S.) Sanders, Robert A.
Boles, Lieut.-Col. Dennis Fortescue Hewins, William Albert Samuel Sanderson, Lancelot
Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffith- Hickman, Col. Thomas E. Sassoon, Sir Philip
Boyle, William (Norfolk, Mid) Hill, Sir Clement L Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Boyton, J. Hills, John Waller Smith, Harold (Warrington)
Bridgeman, William Clive Hill-Wood, Samuel Spear, Sir John Ward
Bull, Sir William James Hope, Harry (Bute) Stanier, Beville
Burn, Colonel C. R. Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk)
Butcher, John George Hope, Major J. A. Midlothian) Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston)
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. (Dublin Univ.) Horne, Edgar (Surrey, Guildford) Starkey, John R.
Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred Horner, Andrew Long Staveley-Hill, Henry
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward H. Houston, Robert Paterson Stewart, Gershom
Cassel, Felix Hunt, Rowland Strauss, Arthur (Paddington, North)
Castlereagh, viscount Ingleby, Holcombe Swift, Rigby
Cator, John Jardine, E. (Somerset, E.) Sykes, Alan John (Ches., Knutsford)
Cautley, H. S. Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr Talbot, Lord E.
Cave, George Kerry, Earl of Terrell, G. (Wilts, N. W.)
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Terrell, Henry (Gloucester)
Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) Knight, Captain E. A. Thompson, Robert (Belfast, North)
Chambers, J. Lane-Fox, G. R. Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, North)
Clay, Captain H. H. Spender Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle) Thynne, Lord Alexander
Clyde, J. Avon Lee, Arthur H. Tobin, Alfred Aspinall
Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham Lewisham, Viscount Touche, George Alexander
Cooper, Richard Ashmole Locker-Lampson, G. (Salisbury) Tryon, Captain George Clement
Courthope, G. Loyd Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey) Tullibardine, Marquess of
Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R. Valentia, Viscount
Craig, Norman (Kent, Thanet) Lonsdale, Sir John Brownlee Walrond, Hon. Lionel
Craik, Sir Henry Lowe, Sir F. W. (Edgbaston) Ward, A. S. (Herts, Watford)
Dalziel, D. (Brixton) Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (S. Geo., Han. S.) Warde, Col. C. E. (Kent, Mid)
Dickson, Rt. Hon. C. Scott Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich) Wheler, Granville C. H.
Doughty, Sir George MacCaw, William J. MacGeagh Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Duke, Henry Edward Mackinder, H. J. Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud
Eyres-Mansell, Bolton M. Macmaster, Donald Wills, Sir Gilbert
Faber, George Denison (Clapham) M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's) Winterton, Earl
Falle, Bertram Godfray Malcolm, Ian Wood, Hon. E. F. L. (Ripon)
Fell, Arthur Mason, James F. (Windsor) Wood, John (Stalybridge)
Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey Middlemore, J. T. Worthington-Evans, L.
Finlay, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert Mildmay, Francis Bingham Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Fisher, Rt. Hon. W. Hayes Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas Wright, Henry Fitzherbert
Fitzroy, Hon. E. A. Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton) Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Flannery, Sir J. Fortescue Neville, Reginald J. N. Yate, Col. C. E.
Fletcher, John Samuel Newdegate, F. A. Younger, Sir George
Gardner, Ernest Newton, Harry Kottingham
Gastrell, Major W. H. Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. Mount and Mr. J. E. Gordon(Brighton).
Gibbs, G. A. Norton-Griffiths, J.
Gilmour, Captain J. Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A.
Division No. 423.] AYES. [10.45 p.m.
Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles Lynch, A. A.
Acland, Francis Dyke Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson Macdonald, J. Ramsay (Leicester)
Adamson, William Ffrench, Peter Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs)
Addison, Dr. C. Field, William McGhee, Richard
Adkins, Sir W. Ryland D. Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South)
Agnew, Sir George William Fitzgibbon, John Macpherson, James Ian
Ainsworth, John Stirling Flavin, Michael Joseph Macveagh, Jeremiah
Allen, Arthur Acland (Dumbartonshire) France, Gerald Ashburner M'Callum, Sir John M.
Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd M'Curdy, C. A.
Arnold, Sydney Gilhooly, James M'Kean, John
Baker, Harold T. (Accrington) Gill, A. H. McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald
Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) Ginnell, L. M'Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leics.)
Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) Gladstone. W. G. C. M'Laren, Hon. F. W. S. (Lines., Spalding)
Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) Glanville, H. J. M'Micking, Major Gilbert
Barlow, Sir John Emmott (Somerset) Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford Manfield, Harry
Barnes, George N. Goldstone, Frank Markham, Sir Arthur Basil
Barton, William Greenwood, Hamar (Sunderland) Marks, Sir George Croydon
Beale, Sir William Phipson Greig, Colonel J. W. Marshall, Arthur Harold
Beauchamp, Sir Edward Griffith, Ellis Jones Martin, J.
Beck, Arthur Cecil Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) Mason, David M. (Coventry)
Benn, W. W. (T. Hamlets, St. George) Guiney, Patrick Masterman, Rt. Hon. C. F. G.
Bentham, George Jackson Gulland, John William Meagher, Michael
Bethel!, Sir John Henry Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.)
Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine Hackett, J Menzies, Sir Walter
Black, Arthur W. Hall, Frederick (Normanton) Millar, James Duncan
Boland, John Pius Hancock, John George Molloy, Michael
Booth, Frederick Handel Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis (Rossendale) Molteno, Percy Alport
Bowerman, C. W. Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) Mond, Sir Alfred Moritz
Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) Hardie, J. Keir Mooney, John J.
Brace, William Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds) Morrell, Philip
Brady, P. J. Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) Morton, Alpheus Cleophas
Brocklehurst, William B. Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) Muldoon, John
Brunner, J. F. L. Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.) Munro, R.
Bryce, J. Annan Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N. E.) Munro-Ferguson, Rt. Hon. R. C.
Buckmaster, Stanley O. Haslam, James (Derbyshire) Murray, Captain Hon. Arthur C-
Burke, E. Haviland Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) Nannetti, Joseph P.
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Havelock-Allan. Sir Henry Needham, Christopher Thomas
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Sydney C. (Poplar) Hayden, John Patrick Nolan, Joseph
Byles, Sir William Pollard Hayward, Evan Norman, Sir Henry
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Hazleton, Richard Norton, Captain Cecil W.
Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) Healy, Timothy Michael (Cork, N. E.) Nugent, Sir Walter Richard
Cawley, H. T. (Heywood) Helme, Sir Norval Watson Nuttall, Harry
Chancellor, H. G. Henderson, Arthur (Durham) O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Chapple, Dr. William Allen Henry, Sir Charles O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)
Clancy, John Joseph Herbert, Col. Sir Ivor (Mon., S.) O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)
Clough, William Higham, John Sharp O'Doherty, Philip
Clynes, John R. Hinds, John O'Donnell, Thomas
Collins, Godfrey P. (Greenock) Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. O'Dowd, John
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Hodge, John Ogden, Fred
Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Hogge, James Myles O'Grady, James
Condon, Thomas Joseph Holmes, Daniel Turner O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.)
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Holt, Richard Durning O'Malley, William
Cotton, William Francis Hope, John Deans (Haddington) O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.)
Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) Hughes, Spencer Leigh O'Shaughnessy, P. J.
Crean, Eugene Illingworth, Percy H. O'Shee, James John
Crooks, William Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus O'Sullivan, Timothy
Crumley, Patrick Jardine, Sir J. (Roxburgh) Outhwaite, R. L.
Cullman, John John, Edward Thomas Palmer, Godfrey Mark
Dalziel, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. (Kirkcaldy) Jones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvil) Parker, James (Halifax)
Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) Pearce, Robert (Staffs., Leek)
Davies, Timothy (Lines., Louth) Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) Pearce, William (Limehouse)
Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Jones, Leif Straiten (Notts, Rushcliffe) Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham)
Dawes, J. A. Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) Philipps, Col. Ivor (Southampton)
De Forest, Baron Jones, William S. Glyn- (Stepney) Phillips, John (Longford, S.)
Delany, William Jowett, Frederick William Pointer, Joseph
Denman, Hon. R. D. Joyce, Michael Pollard, Sir George H.
Devlin, Joseph Keating, Matthew Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H.
Dickinson, W. H. Kellaway, Frederick George Power, Patrick, Joseph
Donelan, Captain A. Kennedy, Vincent Paul Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central)
Doris, William Kilbride, Denis Priestley, Sir Arthur (Grantham)
Duffy, William J. King, J. Priestley, Sir W. E. (Bradford)
Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon, S. Molton) Pringle, William M. R.
Duncan, J, Hastings. (Yorks, Otley) Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) Radford, G. H.
Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.) Lardner, James Carrige Rushe Raffan, Peter Wilson
Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West) Raphael, Sir Herbert H.
Elverston, Sir Harold Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rid, Cockerm'th) Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields)
Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) Leach, Charles Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough)
Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) Levy, Sir Maurice Reddy, M.
Esslemont, George Birnie Lewis, John Herbert Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
Falconer, James Lough, Rt. Hon. Thomas Redmond, William (Clare, E.)
Farrell, James Patrick Lundon, T. Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.)
Rendall, Athelstan Smith, Albert (Lanes., Clitheroe) Waring, Walter
Richards, Thomas Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.) Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay
Richardson, Albion (Peckham) Snowden, Philip Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan)
Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) Soames, Arthur Wellesley Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney)
Roberts, Charles N. (Lincoln) Spicer, Rt. Hon. Sir Albert Watt, Henry Anderson
Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) Stanley, Albert (Staffs, N. W.) Wedgwood, Josiah C.
Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs) Strauss, Edward A. (Southwark, West) White. J. Dundas (Glas., Tradeston)
Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradlord) Sutherland, J. E. White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside) Sutton, John E. Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P.
Robinson, Sidney Taylor, John W. (Durham) Whyte, A. F. (Perth)
Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) Wiles, Thomas
Roche, Augustine (Louth) Taylor, Thomas (Bolton) Wilkie, Alexander
Roe, Sir Thomas Tennant, Harold John Williams, John (Glamorgan)
Rose, Sir Charles Day Thomas, James Henry Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen)
Rowlands, James Thome, G. R. (Wolverhampton) Williams, Penry (Middlesbrough)
Rowntree, Arnold Thorne, William (West Ham) Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.)
Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter Tolumin, Sir George Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Worcs., N.)
Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W. Trevelyan, Charles Philips Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) Ure, Rt. Hon Alexander Winfrey, Richard
Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees) Verney, Sir Harry Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glas.)
Scanlan, Thomas Wadsworth, J. Young, Samuel Cavan, E.)
Schwann, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles E. Walsh, J. (Cork, South) Young, W. (Perthshire, E.)
Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton) Walsh, Stephen (Lanes., Ince) Yoxall, Sir James Henry
Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B. Walton, Sir Joseph
Sheehy, David Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. Geoffrey Howard and Mr. Webb.
Sherwell, Arthur James Ward, W. Dudley (Southampton)
Shortt, Edward Wardle, George J.
NOES.
Aitken, Sir William Max Faber, George Denison (Clapham) Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle)
Amery, L. C. M. S. Falle, B. G. Lee, Arthur Hamilton
Anson, Rt. Hon. Sir William R. Fell, Arthur Lewisham, Viscount
Ashley W. W. Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey Locker-Lampson, G. (Salisbury)
Baker, Sir R. L. (Dorset, N.) Finlay, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey)
Balcarres, Lord Fisher, Rt. Hon. W. Hayes Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R.
Baldwin, Stanley Fitzroy, Hon. Edward A. Lonsdale, Sir John Brownlee
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Flannery, Sir J. Fortescue Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (S. Geo., Han. S.)
Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester) Fletcher, John Samuel Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich)
Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) Gardner, Ernest MacCaw, Wm. J. MacGeagh
Barnston, Harry Gastrell, Major W. Houghton Mackinder, Halford J.
Barrie, H. T. Gibbs, G. A. Macmaster, Donald
Bathurst, Hon. A. B. (Glouc, E.) Gilmour, Captain John McNeill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's)
Bathurst, C. (Wilts, Wilton) Goldman, C. S. Malcolm, Ian
Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks Goldsmith, Frank Mason, James F. (Windsor)
Beckett, Hon. Gervase Gordon, John (Londonderry, South) Middlemore, John Throgmorton
Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton) Mildmay, Francis Bingham
Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish- Goulding, Edward Alfred Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas
Beresford, Lord C. Grant, J. A. Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton)
Bird, A. Greene, W. R. Mount, William Arthur
Blair, Reginald Gretton, John Neville, Reginald J. N.
Boles, Lieut-Col. Dennis Forteseue Guinness, Hon. Rupert (Essex, S. E.) Newdegate, F. A.
Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffith- Guinness, Hon. W.E. (Bury S. Edmunds) Newton, Harry Kottingham
Boyle, William (Norfolk, Mid.) Haddock, George Bahr Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield)
Boyton, James Hall, D. B. (Isle of wight) Norton-Griffiths, J.
Bridgeman, W. Clive Hall, Fred (Dulwich) Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A.
Bull, Sir William James Hambro, Angus Valdemar Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend)
Burn, Colonel C. R. Hamersley, Alfred St. George Parkes, Ebenezer
Butcher, John George Hamilton, Lord C. J. (Kensington S.) Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington)
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. (Dublin Univ.) Hamilton, Marquess of (Londonderry) Peel, Capt. R. F. (Woodbridge)
Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence Perkins, Walter F.
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward H. Harris, Henry Percy Pole-Carew, Sir R.
Cassel, Felix Harrison-Broadley, H. B. Pollock, Ernest Murray
Castlereagh, Viscount Henderson, Major H. (Berks, Abingdon) Pryce-Jones, Colonel E.
Cator, John Herbert, Hon. A. (Somerset, S.) Quilter, Sir William Eley C.
Cautley, H. S. Hewins, William Albert Samuel Randles, Sir John S.
Cave, George Hill, Sir Clement L. Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Hills, John Waller Rawson, Col. Richard H.
Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) Hill-Wood, Samuel Rees, Sir J. D.
Chaloner, Col. R. G. W. Hope, Harry (Bute) Remnant, James Farquharson
Chambers, James Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall)
Clay, Capt. H. H. Spender Hope, Major J. A. (Midlothian) Rolleston, Sir John
Clive, Captain Percy Archer Horne, Wm. E. (Surrey, Guildford) Rothschild, Lionel de
Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham Horner, Andrew Long Royds, Edmund
Cooper, Richard Ashmole Houston, Robert Paterson Rutherford, John (Lanes., Darwen)
Courthope, George Loyd Hunt, Rowland Rutherford, Watson (L'pool, W. Derby)
Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) Ingleby, Holcombe Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood)
Craig, Norman (Kent, Thapet) Jardine, Ernest (Somerset, East) Sanders, Robert Arthur
Craik, Sir Henry Jessel, Captain H. M. Sanderson, Lancelot
Dalziel, D. (Brixton) Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr Sassoon, Sir Philip
Dickson, Rt. Hon. C. Scott Kerry, Earl of Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Doughty, Sir George Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Spear, Sir John Ward
Duke, Henry Edward Knight, Captain Eric Ayshford Stanier, Beville
Eyres-Monsell, Bolton M. Lane-Fox, G. R. Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk)
Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston) Tobin, Alfred Aspinall Winterton, Earl
Starkey, John Ralph Touche, George Alexander Wood, Hon. E. F. L. (Yorks, Ripon)
Staveley-Hill, Henry Tryon, Captain George Clement Wood, John (Stalybridge)
Stewart, Gershom Tullibardine, Marquess of Worthington-Evans, L.
Strauss, Arthur (Paddington, North) Valentia, Viscount Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart.
Swift, Rigby Walrond, Hon. Lionel Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Sykes, Alan John (Ches., Knutsford) Ward, A. S. (Herts, Watford) Yate, Colonel C. E.
Talbot, Lord E. Warde, Col. C. E. (Kent, Mid) Younger, Sir George
Terrell, George (Wilts, N. W.) Weigall, Captain A. G.
Terrell, Henry (Gloucester) Wheler, Granville C. H.
Thompson, Robert (Belfast, North) Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Sir Francis Lowe and Colonel Hickman.
Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, North) Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud
Thynne, Lord A, Wills, Sir Gilbert

Government Amendment: In Sub-section (1), leave out the word "the" ["to the future transfer"], and insert instead thereof the words, "any provision of this Act or to any."

Question put, "That the Amendment be made."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 318; Noes, 198.

Division No. 424.] AYES. [10.58 p.m.
Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) Dalziel, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. (Kirkcaldy) Hayward, Evan
Acland, Francis Dyke Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) Hazleton, Richard
Adamson, William Davies, Timothy (Lines., Louth) Healy, Timothy Michael (Cork, N. E.)
Adkins, Sir W. Ryland D. Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Helme, Sir Norval Watson
Agnew, Sir George William Dawes, J. A. Henderson, Arthur (Durham)
Ainsworth, John Stirling De Forest, Baron Henry, Sir Charles
Allen, Arthur Acland (Dumbartonshire) Delany, William Herbert, Col. Sir Ivor (Mon., S)
Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) Denman, Hon. R. D. Higham, John Sharp
Arnold, Sydney Devlin, Joseph Hinds, John
Baker, Harold T. (Accrington) Dickinson, W. H. Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H.
Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) Donelan, Captain A. Hodge, John
Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) Doris, W. Hogge, James Myles
Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) Duffy, William J. Holmes, Daniel Turner
Barlow, Sir John Emmott (Somerset) Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) Holt, Richard Durning
Barnes, George N. Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley) Hope, John Deans (Haddington)
Barton, William Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.) Horne, C. Silvester (Ipswich)
Beale, Sir William Phipson Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) Howard, Hon. Geoffrey
Beauchamp, Sir Edward Elverston, Sir Harold Hughes, Spencer Leigh
Beck, Arthur Cecil Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus
Benn, W. W. (T. H'mts, St. George) Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) Jardine, Sir John (Roxburghshire)
Bentham, George Jackson Esslemont, George Birnie John, Edward Thomas
Bethell, Sir John Henry Falconer, J. Jones, Edgar R. (Merthyr Tydvil)
Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine Farrell, James Patrick Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth)
Black, Arthur W. Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East)
Boland, John Pius Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe)
Booth, Frederick Handel Ffrench, Peter Jones, William (Carnarvonshire)
Bowerman, C. W. Field, William Jones, William S. Glyn (Stepney)
Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward Jowett, Frederick William
Brace, William Fitzgibbon, John Joyce, Michael
Brady, Patrick Joseph Flavin, Michael Joseph Keating, Matthew
Brocklehurst, William B. France, G. A. Kellaway, Frederick George
Brunner, John F. L. George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd Kennedy, Vincent Paul
Bryce, John Annan Gill, Alfred Henry Kilbride, Denis
Buckmaster, Stanley O. Ginnell, Laurence King, J.
Burke, E. Haviland- Gladstone, W. G. C. Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon, S. Molton)
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade)
Buxton, Rt. Hon. S. C. (Poplar) Goldstone, Frank Lardner, James Carrige Rushe
Byles, Sir William Pollard Greenwood, Hamar (Sunderland) Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West)
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Greig, Col. J. W. Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rtd, Cockerm'th)
Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) Griffith, Ellis Jones Leach, Charles
Cawley, H. T. (Lanes., Heywood) Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) Levy, Sir Maurice
Chancellor, H. G Guiney, Patrick Lewis, John Herbert
Chapple, Dr. W. A. Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) Lough, Rt. Hon. Thomas
Clancy, John Joseph Hackett, John Lundon, Thomas
Clough, William Hall, F. (Yorks, Normanton) Lynch, A. A.
Clynes, John R. Hancock, John George Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs)
Collins, G. P. (Greenock) Harcourt, Rt. Hon. L. (Rossendale) McGhee, Richard
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South)
Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Hardie, J. Keir Macpherson, James fan
Condon, Thomas Joseph Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds) MacVeagh, Jeremiah
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) M'Callum, Sir John M.
Cotton, William Francis Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) M'Curdy, Charles Albert
Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, West) M'Kean, John
Crawshay-Williams, Eliot Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N. E.) McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald
Crean, Eugene Haslam, James (Derbyshire) M'Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leics.)
Crooks, William Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) M'Laren, Hon. F. W. S. Lines, Spalding)
Crumley, Patrick Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry M'Micking, Major Gilbert
Cullinan, John Hayden, John Patrick Manfield, Harry
Markham, Sir Arthur Basil Pollard, Sir George H. Stanley, Albert (Staffs, N. W.)
Marks, Sir George Croydon Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. Strauss, Edward A. (Southwark, West)
Marshall, Arthur Harold Power, Patrick Joseph Sutherland, John E.
Martin, Joseph Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central) Sutton, John E.
Mason, David M. (Coventry) Priestley, Sir Arthur (Grantham) Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Masterman, Rt. Hon, C. F. G. Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford) Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Meagher, Michael Pringle, William M. R. Taylor, Thomas (Bolton)
Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) Radford, G. H. Tennant, Harold John
Menzies, Sir Walter Raffan, Peter Wilsen Thomas, James Henry
Millar, James Duncan Raphael, Sir Herbert Henry Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton)
Molloy, Michael Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields) Thorne, William (West Ham)
Molteno, Percy Alport Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough) Toulmin, Sir George
Mond, Sir Alfred M. Reddy, M. Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Mocney, John J. Redmond, John E. (Waterford) Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander
Morrell, Philip Redmond, William (Clare, E.) Verney, Sir Harry
Morton, Alpheus Cleophas Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.) Wadsworth, John
Muldoon, John Rendall, Athelstan Walsh, J. (Cork, South)
Munro, Robert Richards, Thomas Walsh, Stephen (Lanes., Ince)
Munro-Ferguson, Rt. Hon. R. C. Richardson, Albion (Peckham) Walton, Sir Joseph
Murray, Captain Hon. A. C. Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent)
Nannetti, Joseph p. Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) Ward, W. Dudley (Southampton)
Needham, Christopher Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) Wardle, G. J.
Nolan, Joseph Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs) Waring, Walter
Norman, Sir Henry Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford) Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay
Norton, Captain Cecil W. Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside) Wason, John (Cathcart, Orkney)
Nugent, Sir Walter Richard Robinson, Sidney Watt, Henry A.
Nuttall, Harry Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) Webb, H.
O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Roche, Augustine (Louth) Wedgwood, Josiah
O'Connor, John (Kildare) Roe, Sir Thomas White, J. Dundas (Tradeston)
O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) Rose, Sir Charles Day White, Patrick Meoth, North)
O'Doherty, Philip Rowlands, James Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P.
O'Donnell, Thomas Rowntree, Arnold Whyte, Alexander F.
Ogden, Fred Runciman, Rt. Hon. W. Wiles, Thomas
O'Grady, James Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W. Wilkie, Alexander
O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) Williams, J. (Glamorgan)
O'Malley, William Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees) Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen)
O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) Scanlan, Thomas Williams, Penry (Middlesbrough)
O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Schwann, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles E. Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.)
O'Shee, James John Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton) Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Wores., N.)
O'Sullivan, Timothy Seely, Rt. Hon. Colonel J. E. B. Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Outhwaite, R. L. Sheehy, David Winfrey, Richard
Palmer, Godfrey Mark Sherwell, Arthur James Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glasgow)
Parker, James (Halifax) Shortt, Edward Young, Samuel (Cavan, East)
Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) Simon, Sir John Allsebrook Young, William (Perth, East)
Pearce, William (Limehouse) Smith, Albert (Lanes., Clitheroe) Yoxall, Sir James Henry
Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham) Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim)
Philipps, Col. Ivor (Southampton) Snowden, Philip TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. Illingworth and Mr. Gulland.
Phillips, John (Longford, S.) Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Pointer, Joseph Spicer, Rt. Hon. Sir Albert
NOES.
Cassel, Felix Gardner, Ernest
Aitken, Sir William Max Castlereagh, Viscount Gastrell, Major W. Houghton
Amery, L. C. M. S. Cator, John Gibbs, George Abraham
Anson, Rt. Hon. Sir William R. Cautley, Henry Strother Gilmour, Captain J.
Ashley, W. W. Cave, George Goldman, Charles Sydney
Baker, Sir Randolf L. (Dorset, N.) Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Goldsmith, Frank
Balcarres, Lord Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) Gordon, John (Londonderry (South)
Baldwin, Stanley Chaloner, Colonel R. G. W. Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton)
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Chambers, James Goulding, Edward Alfred
Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester) Clive, Captain Percy Archer Grant, James Augustus
Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) Clyde, James Avon Greene, Walter Raymond
Barnston, Harry Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham Gretton, John
Barrie, H. T. Cooper, Richard Ashmole Guinness, Hon. Rupert (Essex, S. E.)
Bathurst, Hon. Allen B. (Glouc, E.) Courthope, George Loyd Guinness, Hon. W.E. (Bury S. Edmunds)
Bathurst, Charles (Wilts, Wilton) Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) Haddock, George Bahr
Beckett, Hon. Gervase Craig, Norman (Kent (Thanet) Hall, D. B. (Isle of Wight)
Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) Craik, Sir Henry Hall, Fred (Dulwich)
Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish- Croft, Henry Page Hall, Marshall (E. Toxteth)
Beresford, Lord Charles Dalziel, Davison (Brixton) Hambro, Angus Valdemar
Bird, Alfred Dickson, Rt. Hon. C. Scott Hamersley, Alfred St. George
Blair, Reginald Doughty, Sir George Hamilton, Lord C. J. (Kensington, S.)
Boles, Lieut.-Col. Dennis Fortescue Duke, Henry Edward Hamilton, Marquess of (Londonderry)
Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffith- Eyres-Monsell, Bolton M. Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence
Boyle, William (Norfolk, Mid) Faber, George D. (Clapham) Harris, Henry Percy
Boyton, James Falle, Bertram Godfray Harrison-Broadley, H. B.
Bridgeman, William Clive Fell, Arthur Henderson, Major H. (Berks, Abingdon)
Bull, Sir William James Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey Herbert, Hon. A. (Somerset, S.)
Burn, Colonel C. R. Finlay, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert Hewins, William Albert Samuel
Butcher, John George Fisher, Rt. Hon. W. Hayes Hickman, Colonel Thomas E.
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. (Dublin Univ.) Fitzroy, Hon. Edward A. Hill, Sir Clement L.
Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred Flannery, Sir J. Fortescue Hills, John Waller
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward H. Fletcher, John Samuel Hill-Wood, Samuel
Hope, Harry (Bute) Neville, Reginald J. N. Starkey, John Ralph
Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) Newdegate, F. A. Staveley-Hill, Henry
Hope, Major J. A. (Midlothian) Newton, Harry Kottingham Stewart, Gershom
Horne, Edgar (Surrey, Guildford) Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) Strauss, Arthur (Paddington, North)
Horner, Andrew Long Norton-Griffiths, J. (Wednesbury) Swift, Rigby
Houston, Robert Paterson Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A. Sykes, Alan John (Ches., Knutsford)
Hunt, Rowland Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend) Talbot, Lord Edmund
Ingleby, Holcombe Parkes, Ebenezer Terrell, George (Wilts, N. W.)
Jardine, Ernest (Somerset, East) Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington) Terrell, Henry (Gloucester)
Jessel, Captain Herbert M. Peel, Capt. R. F. Thompson, Robert (Belfast, North)
Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr Perkins, Walter Frank Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, N.)
Kerry, Earl of Pole-Carew, Sir R. Thynne, Lord Alexander
Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Pollock, Ernest Murray Tobin, Alfred Aspinall
Knight, Captain Eric Ayshford Pryce-Jones, Colonel E. Touche, George Alexander
Lane-Fox, G, R. Randles, Sir John S. Tullibardine, Marquess of
Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle) Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel Walrond, Hon. Lionel
Lee, Arthur Hamilton Rawson, Colonel Richard H Ward, A. s. (Herts, Watford)
Lewisham, Viscount Rees, Sir J. D. Warde, Colonel C. E. (Kent, Mid)
Locker-Lampson, G. (Salisbury) Remnant, James Farquharson Weigall, Capt. A. G.
Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey) Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall) Wheler, Granville C. H.
Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R. Rolleston, Sir John White, Major G. D. (Lanes., Southport)
Lonsdale, Sir John Brownlee Rothschild, Lionel de Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Lowe, Sir F. W. (Edgbaston) Royds, Edmund Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud
Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (St. Geo., Han. S.) Rutherford, John (Lanes., Darwen) Wills, Sir Gilbert
Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich) Rutherford, Watson (L'pool, W. Derby) Wood, Hon. E. F. L. (Yorks, Ripon)
MacCaw, William J. MacGeagh Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood) Wood, John (Stalybridge)
Mackinder, Halford J. Sanders, Robert Wcrthington-Evans, L.
Macmaster, Donald Sanderson, Lancelot Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's) Sassoon, Sir Philip Wright, Henry Fitzherbert
Malcolm, Ian Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Mason, James F. (Windsor) Smith, Harold (Warrington) Yate, Col. C. E.
Middlemore, John Throgmorton Spear, Sir John Ward Younger, Sir George
Mildmay, Francis Bingham Stanier, Beville
Mills, Han. Cnarles Thomas Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormsklrk) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. Hicks Beach and Mr. Tryon.
Morrison-Bell, E. F. (Ashburton) Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston)
Mount, William Arthur

Government Amendment: In Sub-section (1) to leave out the words "and for apportioning any receipts and expenses in respect of foreign mails or other foreign postal services (including telegrams and telephones), between the two Post Offices, and for facilities being given in respect of postal services generally by the one Post Office to the other, especially in relation to submarine telegraphs or telegraphic communication with any place out of the United Kingdom," and insert instead thereof the words,

"for the execution of postal services by the one Post Office at the request of and on behalf of the other, and for the terms and conditions under which the services are to be so executed, for facilities being given in connection with any such postal

services at the request of one Post Office by the other, for requiring the sanction of the British Post Office for the grant of any licence by the Irish Post Office for wireless telegraphy stations for internal communications in Ireland, and for the reservation of power to His Majesty by Order in Council to transfer in time of war or National emergency the powers or duties of the Irish Post Office to the British Post Office, or to the naval or military authorities of the United Kingdom." — [Mr. Herbert Samuel.]

Question put, "That the Amendment be made."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 312; Noes, 188.

Division No. 425.] AYES. [11.9 p.m.
Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) Barton, William Brunner, John F. L.
Acland, Francis Dyke Beauchamp, Sir Edward Bryce, J. Annan
Adamson, William Beck, Arthur Cecil Buckmaster, Stanley O.
Addison, Dr. C. Benn, W. W. (Tower Hamlets, S. Geo.) Burke, E. Haviland-
Adkins, Sir W. Ryland D. Bentham, G. J. Burn, Colonel C. R.
Agnew, Sir George William Bethell, Sir J. H. Burns, Rt. Hon. John
Ainsworth, John Stirling Bird, A. Buxton, Rt. Hon. S. C. (Poplar)
Allen, Arthur A. (Dumbartonshire) Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine Byles, Sir William Pollard
Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) Black, Arthur W. Carr-Gomm, H. W.
Arnold, Sydney Boland, John Pius Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich>
Baker, Harold T. (Accrington) Booth, Frederick Handel Cawley, H. T. (Lanes., Heywood)
Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, El Bowerman, Charles W. Chancellor, Henry George
Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) Chapple, Dr. William Allen
Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) Brace, William Clancy, John Joseph
Barlow, Sir John Emmott (Somerset) Brady, Patrick Joseph Clough, William
Barnes, G. N. Brocklehurst, William B. Clynes, John R.
Collins, G. P. (Greenock) Hughes, Spencer Leigh Pearce, William (Limehouse)
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus Pearson, Hon. Weetman H. M.
Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Jardine, Sir J. (Roxburgh) Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham)
Condon, Thomas Joseph John, Edward Thomas Philipps, Col. Ivor (Southampton)
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Jones, Edgar R. (Merthyr Tydvil) Phillips, John (Longford, S.)
Cotton, William Francis Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Pointer, Joseph
Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) Pollard, Sir George H.
Crawshay-Williams, Eliot Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H
Crean, Eugene Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) Power, Patrick Joseph
Crooks, William Jones, William S. Glyn- (Stepney) Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central)
Crumley, Patrick Jowett, Frederick William Priestley, Sir Arthur (Grantham)
Cullinan, John Joyce, Michael Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.)
Dalziel, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. (Kirkcaldy) Keating, Matthew Pringle, William M. R.
Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) Kellaway, Frederick George Radford, G. H.
Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) Kennedy, Vincent Paul Raffan, Peter Wilson
Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Kilbride, Dennis Raphael, Sir Herbert H.
Dawes, J. A. King, J. Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields)
De Forest, Baron Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon, S. Molton) Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough)
Delany, William Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) Roddy, Michael
Denman, Hon. R. D. Lardner, James Carrige Rushe Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
Devlin, Joseph Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West) Redmond, William (Clare, E.)
Dickinson, W. H. Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rld, Cockerm'th) Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.)
Donelan, Captain A. Leach, Charles Rendall, Athelstan
Doris, William Levy, Sir Maurice Richards, Thomas
Duffy, William J. Lewis, John Herbert Richardson, Albion (Peckham)
Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) Lough, Rt. Hon. Thomas Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven)
Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley) Lundon, Thomas Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)
Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.) Lynch, A. A. Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)
Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs)
Elverston, Sir Harold McGhee, Richard Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford)
Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South) Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside)
Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) Macpherson, James Ian Robinson, Sidney
Esslemont, George Birnie MacVeagh, Jeremiah Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke)
Falconer, James M'Callum, Sir John M. Roche, Augustine (Louth)
Farrell, James Patrick M'Curdy, C. A. Roe, Sir Thomas
Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles M'Kean, John Rose, Sir Charles Day
Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald Rowlands, James
Ffrench, Peter M'Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leics.) Rowntree, Arnold
Field, William M'Laren, Hon. F.W.S. (Lincs., Spalding) Runciman, Rt. Hon. Waiter
Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward M'Micking, Major Gilbert Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W.
Fitzgibbon, John Manfield, Harry Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland)
Flavin, Michael Joseph Markham, Sir Arthur Basil Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees)
George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd Marks, Sir George Croydon Scanlan, Thomas
Gill, Alfred Henry Marshall, Arthur Harold Schwann, Rt. Hon. Sir C. E.
Ginnell, L. Martin, Joseph Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton)
Gladstone, W. G. C. Mason, David M. (Coventry) Sheehy, David
Glanville, Harold James Masterman, Rt. Hon. C. F. G. Sherwell, Arthur James
Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford Meagher, Michael Shortt, Edward
Goldstone, Frank Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) Simon, Sir John Allsebrook
Greig, Colonel J. W. Menzies, Sir Walter Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe)
Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward Millar, James Duncan Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim)
Griffith, Ellis J. Molloy, Michael Snowden, Philip
Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) Molteno, Percy Alport Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Gulney, Patrick Mond, Sir Alfred M. Spicer, Rt. Hon. Sir Albert
Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) Mooney, J. J. Stanley, Albert (Staffs, N. W.)
Hackett, J. Morrell, Philip Sutherland, J. E.
Hall, F. (Yorks, Normanton) Morton, Alpheus Cleophas Sutton, John E.
Hancock, John George Muldoon, John Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Harcourt, Rt. Hon. L. (Rossendale) Munro, Robert Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) Munro-Ferguson, Rt. Hon. R. C. Taylor, Thomas (Bolton)
Hardie, J. Keir Murray, Captain Hon. Arthur C. Tennant, Harold John
Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds) Nannetti, Joseph P. Thomas, James Henry
Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) Needham, Christopher T. Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton)
Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) Nolan, Joseph Thorne, William (West Ham)
Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N. E.) Norman, Sir Henry Toulmin, Sir George
Haslam, James (Derbyshire) Norton, Captain Cecil W. Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) Nugent, Sir Walter Richard Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander
Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry Nuttall, Harry Verney, Sir Harry
Hayden, John Patrick O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Wadsworth, John
Hayward, Evan O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) Walsh, J. (Cork, South)
Hazleton, Richard O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince)
Healy, Timothy (Hichael (Cork, N. E.) O'Doherty, Philip Walton, Sir Joseph
Helme, Sir Nerval Watson O'Donnell, Thomas Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent)
Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Ogden, Fred Waring, Walter
Henry, Sir Charles O'Grady, James Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay
Herbert, Col. Sir Ivor (Mon., South) O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) Watt, Henry A.
Higham, John Sharp O'Malley, William Webb, H.
Hinds, John O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) Wedgwood, Josiah C.
Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. O'Shaughnessy, P. J. White, J. Dundas (Glas., Tradeston)
Hodge, John O'Shee, James John White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Hogge, James Myles O'Sullivan, Timothy Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P.
Holmes, Daniel Turner Outhwaite, R. L. Whyte, A. F.
Hope, John Deans (Haddington) Palmer, Godfrey Mark Wiles, Thomas
Horne, C. Silvester (Ipswich) Parker, James (Halifax) Wilkie, Alexander
Howard, Hon. Geoffrey Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) Williams, John (Glamorgan)
Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen) Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) Young, William (Perth, East)
Williams, Penry (Middlesbrough) Winfrey, Richard
Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.) Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glas.) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. Illingworth and Mr. Gulland.
Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Worcs., N.) Young, Samuel (Cavan, E.)
NOES.
Amery, L. C. M. S. Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton) Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend)
Anson, Rt. Hon. Sir William R. Goulding, Edward Alfred Parkes, Ebenezer
Ashley, Wilfrid W. Greene, Walter Raymond Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington)
Baker, Sir Randolf L. (Dorset, N.) Gretton, John Peel, Captain R. F. (Woodbridge)
Balcarres, Lord Guinness, Hon. Rupert (Essex, S. E.) Perkins, Walter F.
Baldwin, Stanley Guinness, Hon. W. E. (Bury S. Edmunds) Pole-Carew, Sir R.
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) Pollock, Ernest Murray
Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester) Haddock, George Bahr Pryce-Jones, Col. E.
Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) Hall, Fred (Dulwich) Randles, Sir John S.
Barnston, Harry Hall, Marshall (E. Toxteth) Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel
Barrie, H. T. Hambro, Angus Valdemar Rawson, Col. R. H.
Bathurst, Hon. Allen B. (Glouc, E.) Hamersley, Alfred St. George Rees, Sir J. D.
Bathurst, Charles (Wilts, Wilton) Hamilton, Lord C. J. (Kensington, S.) Remnant, James Farquharson
Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks Hamilton, Marquess of (Londonderry) Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall)
Beckett, Hon. Gervase Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence Rolleston, Sir John
Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) Harris, Henry Percy Rothschild, Lionel de
Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish- Harrison-Broadley, H. B. Royds, Edmund
Beresford, Lord Charles Henderson, Major H. (Berks, Abingdon) Rutherford, John (Lancs., Darwen)
Blair, Reginald Hickham, Colonel Thomas E. Rutherford, Watson (L'pool, W. Derby)
Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffiths- Hill, Sir Clement L. Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood)
Boyle, William (Norfolk, Mid) Hills, John Waller Sanders, Robert Arthur
Bridgeman, William Clive Hill-Wood, Samuel Sassoon, Sir Philip
Bull, Sir William James Hope, Harry (Bute) Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Butcher, John George Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) Smith, Harold (Warrington)
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. (Dublin Univ.) Hope, Major J. A. (Midlothian) Spear, Sir John Ward
Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred Horne, E. (Surrey, Guildford) Stanier, Beville
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward M. Horner, Andrew Long Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk)
Cassel, Felix Houston, Robert Paterson Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston)
Castlereagh, Viscount Hunt, Rowland Starkey, John Ralph
Cator, John Ingleby, Holcombe Staveley-Hill, Henry
Cautley, Henry Strother Jardine, Ernest (Somerset, E.) Stewart, Gershom
Cave, George Jessel, Captain H. M. Swift, Rigby
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr Sykes, Alan John (Ches., Knutsford)
Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) Kerry, Earl of Talbot, Lord Edmund
Chaloner, Col. R. G. W. Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Terrell, George (Wilts, N. W.)
Chambers, J. Knight, Captain E. A. Terrell, Henry (Gloucester)
Clay, Captain H. H. Spender Law, Rt. Hon. Bonar (Bootle) Thompson, Robert (Belfast, North)
Clive, Captain Percy Archer Lawson, Hon. H. (T. H'mts., Mile End) Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, North)
Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham Lee, Arthur H. Thynne, Lord Alexander
Cooper, Richard Ashmole Lewisham, Viscount Tobin, Alfred Aspinall
Courthope, George Loyd Locker-Lampson, Sir G. (Salisbury) Touche, George Alexander
Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey) Tryon, Captain George Clement
Craig, Norman (Kent, Thanet) Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R. Tullibardine, Marquess of
Craik, Sir Henry Lonsdale, Sir John Brownlee Walrond, Hon. Lionel
Croft, H. P. Lowe, Sir F. W. (Edgbaston) Ward, A. S. (Herts, Watford)
Dalziel, Davison (Brixton) Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (Hanover Sq.) Warde, Col. C. E. (Kent, Mid)
Dickson, Rt. Hon. C. S. Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich) Weigall, Captain A. G.
Doughty, Sir George MacCaw, Wm. J. MacGeagh Wheler, Granville C. H.
Duke, Henry Edward Mackinder, Halford J. White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport)
Eyres-Monsell, B. M. Macmaster, Donald Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset, W.)
Faber, George D. (Clapham) M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's) Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud
Falle, Bertram Godfray Malcolm, Ian Wills, Sir Gilbert
Fell, Arthur Mason, James F. (Windsor) Wood, Hon. E. F. L. (Ripon)
Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey Middlemore, John Throgmorton Wood, John (Stalybridge)
Fisher, Rt. Hon. W. Hayes Mildmay, Francis Bingham Worthington-Evans, L.
Fitzroy, Hon. Edward A. Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Flannery, Sir J. Fortescue Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton) Wright, Henry Fitzherbert
Fletcher, John Samuel Mount, William Arthur Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Gardner, Ernest Neville, Reginald J. N. Yate, Col. C. E.
Gastrell, Major W. Houghton Newdegate, F. A, Younger, Sir George
Gibbs, G. A. Newton, Harry Kottingham
Gilmour, Captain John Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. Douglas Hall and Col. Boles.
Goldsmith, Frank Norton-Griffiths, J.
Gordon, John (Londonderry, South) Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A.

Question put, "That the Clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided.

Sir F. BANBURY

(seated and covered): May I call attention to the fact that one of the Tellers left the door before all the Members in his Lobby had passed through?

The CHAIRMAN

Did the Tellers not leave together?

Sir F. BANBURY

(seated and covered): No one remained at the door.

Mr. HAROLD SMITH

(seated and covered): May I draw your attention to the fact that at least fifteen Members were shut out from the division through this misunderstanding?

The CHAIRMAN

Are the Tellers agreed that the numbers should be added.

The PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY to the TREASURY (Mr. Illingworth)

(seated and covered): The hon. Member for Darlington told me "all out," whereupon I left the door. I am quite willing if any Members are aggrieved and did not record

their votes that their names should be added to the list.

Mr. PIKE PEASE

(seated and covered): The statement of the Patronage Secretary is correct. I said "all out," thinking that all the hon. Members had gone through.

The CHAIRMAN

Does the hon. Member claim a fresh division.

Mr. PIKE PEASE

(seated and covered): No Sir.

Ayes, 305; Noes, 190.

Division No. 426.] AYES. [11.20 p.m.
Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) Denman, Hon. R. D. Hogge, James Myles
Acland, Francis Dyke Devlin, Joseph Hope, John Deans (Haddington)
Adamson, William Dickinson, W. H. Horne, C. Silvester (Ipswich)
Addison, Dr. Christopher Donelan, Captain A. Howard, Hon. Geoffrey
Adkins, Sir W. Ryland D. Doris, W. Hughes, S. L.
Agnew, Sir George William Duffy, William J. Jardine, Sir J. (Roxburgh)
Ainsworth, John Stirling Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) John, Edward Thomas
Allen, Arthur A. (Dumbarton) Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley) Jones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvil)
Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.) Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth)
Arnold, Sydney Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East)
Baker, H. T. (Accrington) Elverston, Sir Harold Jones, Leif Stratten (Rushcliffe)
Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) Jones, William (Carnarvonshire)
Balfour, sir Robert (Lanark) Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) Jones, W. S. Glyn- (T. H'mts, Stepney)
Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) Esslemont, George Birnie Joyce, Michael
Barlow, Sir John Emmott (Somerset) Falconer, J. Keating, Matthew
Barnes, G. N. Farrell, James Patrick Kellaway, Frederick George
Barton, W. Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles Kennedy, Vincent Paul
Beauchamp, Sir Edward Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson Kilbride, Denis
Beck, Arthur Cecil Ffrench, Peter King, J.
Benn, W. W. (T. Hamlets, St. Geo.) Field, William Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon, S. Molton)
Bentham, G J. Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade)
Bethell, Sir J. H. Fitzgibbon, John Lardner, James Carrige Rushe
Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine Flavin, Michael Joseph Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West)
Black, Arthur W. France, G. A. Lawson, Sir w. (Cumb'rld, Cockarm'th)
Boland, John Plus George, Rt. Hon. David Lloyd Leach, Charles
Booth, Frederick Handel Gill, A. H. Levy, Sir Maurice
Bowerman, C. W. Ginnell, L. Lewis, John Herbert
Boyle, O. (Mayo, N.) Gladstone, W. G. C. Lough, Rt. Hon. Thomas
Brace, William Glanville, Harold James Lundon, Thomas
Brady, P. J. Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford Lynch, A. A.
Brocklehurst, W. B. Goldstone, Frank Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs)
Brunner, John F. L. Greig, Colonel J. W. McGhee, Richard
Bryce, J. Annan Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South)
Buckmaster, Stanley O. Griffith, Ellis J. Macpherson, James Ian
Burke, E. Haviland- Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) MacVeagh, Jeremiah
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Guiney, P. M'Callum, Sir John M.
Byles, Sir William Pollard Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) M'Curdy, Charles Albert
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Hackett, J. M'Kean, John
Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwick) Hall, F. (Yorks, Normanton) McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald
Cawley, H. T. (Lancs., Heywood) Hancock, John George M'Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leics.)
Chancellor, H. G. Harcourt, Rt. Hon. L. (Rossendale) M'Laren, Hon. F.W.S. (Lincs., Spalding)
Chapple, Dr. William Allen Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) M'Micking, Major Gilbert
Clancy, John Joseph
Hardle, J. Keir Manfield, Harry
Clough, William Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds) Markham, Sir Arthur Basil
Clynes, John R. Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) Marks, Sir George Croydon
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) Marshall, Arthur Harold
Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, West) Martin, Joseph
Condon, Thomas Joseph Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N. E.) Masterman, Rt. Hon. C. F. G.
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Haslam, James (Derbyshire) Meagher, Michael
Cotton, William Francis Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.)
Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry Menzies, Sir Walter
Crawshay-Williams, Eliot Hayden, John Patrick Millar, James Duncan
Crean, Eugene Hayward, Evan Molloy, M.
Crooks, William Hazleton, Richard Molteno, Percy Alport
Crumley, Patrick Healy, Timothy Michael (Cork, N. E.) Mond, Sir Alfred Moritz
Cullinan, J. Helme, Sir Norval Watson
Dalziel, Rt. Hon, Sir J. H. (Kirkcaid) Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Mooney, J. J.
Davies, E. William (Eifion) Henry, Sir Charles Morrell, Philip
Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) Herbert, Col. Sir Ivor (Mcn., S.) Morton, Alpheus Cleophas
Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Hlgham, John Sharp Muldoon, John
Dawes, James Arthur Hinds, John Munro-Ferguson, Rt. Hon R. C.
De Forest, Baron Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. Munro, R.
Delany, William Hodge, John Murray, Capt. Hon. A. C.
Nannetti, Joseph P. Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell, (South Shields) Sutherland, J. E.
Needham, Christopher T. Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough) Sutton, John E.
Nolan, Joseph Reddy, M. Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Norman, Sir Henry Redmond, John E. (Waterford) Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Norton, Captain Cecil W. Redmond, William (Clare, E.) Taylor, Thomas (Bolton)
Nugent, Sir Walter Richard Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.) Tennant, Harold John
Nuttall, Harry Rendall, Athelstan Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton)
O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Richards, Thomas Thorne, William (West Ham)
O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) Richardson, Albion (Peckham) Toulmin, Sir George
O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) Trevelyan, Charles Philips
O'Doherty, Philip Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander
O'Donnell, Thomas Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) Verney, Sir Harry
O'Grady, James Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs) Wadsworth, J.
Ogden, Fred Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford) Walsh, J. (Cork, South)
O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) Robertson, John M. (Tyneside) Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince)
O'Malley, William Robinson, Sidney Walton, Sir Joseph
O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) Roch, Walter F. Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent)
O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Roche, Augustine (Louth) Waring, Walter
O'Shee, James John Roe, Sir Thomas Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay
O'Sullivan, Timothy Rose, Sir Charles Day Watt, Henry A.
Outhwaite, R. L. Rowlands, James Webb, H.
Palmer, Godfrey Mark Rowntree, Arnold White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston)
Parker, James (Halifax) Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W. Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas p.
Pearce, William (Limehouse) Samuel, Rt. Hon, H. L. (Cleveland) Whyte, A. F. (Perth)
Pearson, Hon. Weetman H. M. Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees) Wiles, Thomas
Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham) Scanlan, Thomas Wilkie, Alexander
Philips, Col. Ivor (Southampton) Schwann, Rt. Hon. Sir C. E. Williams, J. (Glamorgan)
Phillips, John (Longford, S.) Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton) Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen)
Pointer, Joseph Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B. Williams, Penry (Middlesbrough)
Pollard, Sir George H. Sheehy, David Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.)
Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. Sherwell, Arthur James Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Worcs., N.)
Power, Patrick Joseph Shortt, Edward Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central) Simon, Sir John Allsebrook Winfrey, Richard
Priestley, Sir Arthur Grantham Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe) Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glas.)
Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.) Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.) Young, Samuel (Cavan, East)
Pringle, William M. R. Snowden, Philip Young, William (Perth, East)
Radford, G. H. Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Raffan, Peter Wilson Spicer, Rt. Hon. Sir Albert TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. Illingworth and Mr. Gulland.
Raphael Sir Herbert H. Stanley, Albert (Staffs., N. W.)
NOES.
Aitken, Sir William Max Clive, Captain Percy Archer Harris, Henry Percy
Amery, L. C. M. S. Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham Harrison-Broadley, H. B.
Anson, Rt. Hon. Sir William R. Cooper, Richard Ashmole Henderson, Major H. (Berks, Abingdon)
Ashley, W. W. Courthope, G. Loyd Herbert, Hon. A. (Somerset, S.)
Baird, J. L. Craig, Charles (Antrim, S.) Hickman, Colonel T. E.
Baker, Sir Randolf L. (Dorset, N.) Craig, Norman (Kent, Thanet) Hill, Sir Clement L.
Balcarres, Lord Craik, Sir Henry Hills, John Waller
Baldwin, Stanley Croft, H. P. Hill-Wood, Samuel
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Dalziel, D. (Brixton) Hope, Major J. A. (Midlothian)
Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester) Doughty, Sir George Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield)
Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) Duke, Henry Edward Horne, W. E. (Surrey, Guildford)
Barnston, Harry Eyres-Monsell, B. M. Horner, Andrew Long
Barrie, H. T. Faber, George Denison (Clapham) Houston, Robert Paterson
Bathurst, Hon. A. B. (Glouc, E.) Falle, Bertram Godfray Hunt, Rowland
Bathurst, Charles (Wilts, Wilton) Fell, Arthur Ingleby, Holcombe
Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey Jardine, Ernest (Somerset, East)
Beckett, Hon. Gervase Fisher, Rt. Hon. W. Hayes Jessel, Captain H. M.
Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) Fitzroy, Hon. Edward A. Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr
Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish- Fletcher, John Samuel Kerry, Earl of
Beresford, Lord C Gardner, Ernest Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement
Bird, A. Gastrell, Major W. H. Knight, Captain E. A.
Blair, Reginald Gibbs, G. A. Lane-Fox, G. R.
Boles, Lieut-Colonel Dennis Fortescue Gilmour, Captain John Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle)
Boscowen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffith- Goldman, C. S. Lawson, Hon. H. (T. H'mts, Mile End)
Boyle, William (Norfolk, Mid) Goldsmith, Frank Locker-Lampson, G. (Salisbury)
Bridgeman, W. Clive Gordon, John (Londonderry, South) Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey)
Bull, Sir William James Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton) Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R.
Burn, Colonel C. R. Greene, W. R. Lonsdale, Sir John Brownlee
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. (Dublin Univ.) Gretton, John Lowe, Sir F. W. (Birm., Edgbaston)
Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred Guinness, Hon. Rupert (Essex, S. E.) Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (Hanover Sq.)
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward H. Guinness, Hon. W. E. (Bury S. Edmunds) Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich)
Cassel, Felix Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) MacCaw, Wm. J. MacGeagh
Castlereagh, Viscount Haddock, George Bahr Mackinder, H. J.
Cator, John Hall, D. B. (Isle of Wight) Macmaster, Donald
Cautley, H. S. Hall, Fred (Dulwich) M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's)
Cave, George Hall, Marshall (E. Toxteth) Malcolm, Ian
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Hambro, Angus Valdemar Mason, James F. (Windsor)
Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) Hamersley, Alfred St. George Middlemore, John Throgmorton
Chaloner, Col. R. G. W. Hamilton, Lord C. J. (Kensington, S.) Mildmay, Francis Bingham
Chambers, J. Hamilton, Marquess, of (Londonderry) Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas
Clay, Capt. H. H. Spender Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton)
Mount, William Arthur Rutherford, Watson (L'pool, W. Derby) Touche, George Alexander
Neville, Reginald J. N. Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood) Tryon, Capt. George Clement
Newdegate, F. A. Sanders, Robert A. Tullibardine, Marquess of
Newton, Harry Kottingham Sassoon, Sir Philip Walrond, Hon. Lionel
Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) Ward, A. S. (Herts, Watford)
Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend) Smith, Harold (Warrington) Warde, Col. C. E. (Kent, Mid)
Parkes, Ebenezer Spear, Sir John Ward Weigall, Capt. A. G.
Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington) Stanier, Beville Wheler, Granville C. H.
Peel, Captain R. F. (Woodbridge) Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk) White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport)
Perkins, Walter F. Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston) Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Pole-Carew, Sir R. Starkey, John R. Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud
Pollock, Ernest Murray Staveley-Hill, Henry Wills, Sir Gilbert
Pryce-Jones, Col. E. Stewart, Gershom Wood, Hon. E. F. L. (Ripon)
Randles, Sir John S. Swift, Rigby Wood, John (Stalybridge)
Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel Sykes, Alan John (Ches., Knutstord) Worthington-Evans, L.
Rawson, Lt. Col. R. H. Talbot, Lord E. Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Rees, Sir J. D. Terrell, G. (Wilts, N. W.) Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Remnant, James Farquharson Terrell, H. (Gloucester) Yate, Col. Charles Edward
Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall) Thompson, Robert (Belfast, N.) Younger, Sir George
Rolleston, Sir John Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, N.)
Rothschild, Lionel de Thynne, Lord Alexander TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Viscount Lewisham and Mr. Orde-Powlett.
Royds, Edmund Tobin, Alfred Aspinall
Rutherford, John (Lancs., Darwen)