HC Deb 10 December 1912 vol 45 cc353-7

Arrangements may be made by any Department of the Government of the United Kingdom for the exercise and performance on behalf of that Department of any powers or duties of that Department by officers of an Irish Department, or by any Irish Department for the exercise and performance on behalf of that Department of any powers or duties of that Department

by officers of a Department of the Government of the United Kingdom on such terms and conditions as may be agreed:

Provided that no such arrangements shall diminish in any respect the responsibility of the Department by which the arrangement is made.

Question put, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 318; Noes, 193.

Division No. 409.] AYES. [8.4 p.m.
Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) Crumley, Patrick Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis (Rossendale)
Acland, Francis Dyke Cullinan, John Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose)
Adamson, William Dalziel, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. (Kirkcaldy) Hardie, J. Keir
Addison, Dr. Christopher Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds)
Adkins, Sir W. Ryland D. Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire)
Agnew, Sir George William Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale)
Ainsworth, John Stirling Davies, M. Vaughan- (Cardiganshire) Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.)
Allen, Arthur A. (Dumbarton) Dawes, J. A. Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N. E.)
Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) De Forest, Baron Haslani, James (Derbyshire)
Armitage, R. Delany, William Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth)
Arnold, Sydney Denman, Hon. R. D. Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry
Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herbert Henry Devlin, Joseph Hayden, John Patrick
Baker, Harold T. (Accrington) Dickinson, W. H. Hayward, Evan
Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) Dillon, John Hazleton, Richard
Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) Donelan, Captain A. Healy, Maurice (Cork)
Barlow, Sir John Emmott (Somerset) Doris, William Healy, Timothy Michael (Cork, N. E.)
Barnes, George N. Duffy, William J. Helme, Sir Norval Watson
Barran, Sir John N. (Hawick) Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) Hemmerde, Edward George
Barton, William Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley) Henderson, Arthur (Durham)
Beale, Sir William Phipson Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.) Henry, Sir Charles
Beauchamp, Sir Edward Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) Herbert, Col. Sir Ivor (Mon. S.)
Beck, Arthur Cecil Edwards, John Hugh (Glamorgan, Mid) Higham, John Sharp
Bentham, George Jackson Elverston, Sir Harold Hinds, John
Bethell, Sir John Henry Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H.
Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) Hodge, John
Black, Arthur W. Esslemont, George Birnie Hogge, James Myles
Boland, John Pius Falconer, James Holmes, Daniel Turner
Booth, Frederick Handel Farrell, James Patrick Hope, John Deans (Haddington)
Bowerman, C. W. Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles Home, C. Silvester (Ipswich)
Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson Hughes, Spencer Leigh
Brace, William Ffrench, Peter Illingworth, Percy H.
Brady, P. J. Field, William Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus
Brocklehurst, William B. Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward Jardine, Sir J. (Roxburgh)
Brunner, J. F. L. Fitzgibbon, John John, Edward Thomas
Bryce, J. Annan Flavin, Michael Joseph Jones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvil)
Buckmaster, Stanley O. George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth)
Burke, E. Haviland- Gilhooly, James Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East)
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Gill, A. H. Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe)
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Sydney C. (Poplar) Ginnell, L. Jones, William (Carnarvonshire)
Byles, Sir William Pollard Gladstone, W. G. C. Jones, W. S. Glyn- (T. H'mts, Stepney)
Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) Glanville, H. J. Joyce, Michael
Cawley, H. T. (Heywood) Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford Keating, Matthew
Chancellor, H. G. Goldstone, Frank Kellaway, Frederick George
Chapple, Dr. William Alien Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) Kennedy, Vincent Paul
Clancy, John Joseph Greenwood, Hamar (Sunderland) Kilbride, Denis
Clough, William Greig, Colonel J. W. King, J.
Clynes, John R. Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon, S. Molton)
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Griffith, Ellis Jones Lardner, James Carrige Rushe
Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Guest, Major Hon. C. H. C. (Pembroke) Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West)
Condon, Thomas Joseph Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rid, Cockerm'th)
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Guiney, Patrick Leach, Charles
Cotton, William Francis Gulland, John William Levy, Sir Maurice
Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) Lewis, John Herbert
Crawshay-Williams, Eliot Hackett, J. Lough, Rt. Hon. Thomas
Crean, Eugene Hall, Frederick (Normanton) Low, Sir F. (Norwich)
Crooks, William Hancock, John George Lundon, T.
Lynch, A. A. O'Grady, James Sheehy, David
Macdonald, J. Ramsay (Leicester) O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) Shortt, Edward
Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) O'Malley, William Simon, Sir John Allsebrook
McGhee, Richard O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) Smith, Albert (Lanes, Clitheroe)
Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Smith, H. B. L. (Northampton)
MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South) O'Shee, James John Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.)
Macpherson, James Ian O'Sullivan, Timothy Snowden, Philip
MacVeagh, Jeremiah Palmer, Godfrey Mark Soames, Arthur Wellesley
M'Callum, Sir John M. Parker, James (Halifax) Spicer, Rt. Hon. Sir Albert
M'Kean, John Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) Stanley, Albert (Staffs., N. W.)
McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald Pearce, William (Limehouse) Sutherland, J. E.
M'Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leics.) Pearson, Hon. Weetman H. M. Sutton, John E.
M'Laren, Hon. F.W.S. (Lincs., Spalding) Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham) Taylor, John W. (Durham)
M'Micking, Major Gilbert Phllipps, Col. Ivor (Southampton) Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Manfield, Harry Phillips, John (Longford, S.) Taylor, Thomas (Bolton)
Markham, Sir Arthur Basil Pointer, Joseph Tennant, Harold John
Marks, Sir George Croydon Pollard, Sir George H. Thomas, J. H.
Marshall, Arthur Harold Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. Thome, G. R. (Wolverhampton)
Martin, J. Power, Patrick Joseph Toulmin, Sir George
Mason, David M. (Coventry) Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central) Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Masterman, Rt. Hon. C. F. G. Price, Sir Robert J. (Norfolk, E.) Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander
Meagher, Michael Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.) Verney, Sir Harry
Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) Primrose, Hon. Neil James Wadsworth, J
Menzies, Sir Walter Pringle, William M. R. Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince)
Millar, James Duncan Radford, G. H. Walton, Sir Joseph
Molloy, Michael Raffan, Peter Wilson Ward, John (Stoke-on-Trent)
Molteno, Percy Alport Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields) Ward, W. Dudley (Southampton)
Mond, Sir Alfred Moritz Roddy, M. Wardle, George J.
Mooney, John J. Redmond, John E. (Waterford) Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay
Morrell, Philip Redmond, William (Clare, E.) Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan)
Morison, Hector Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.) Webb, H.
Morton, Alpheus Cleophas Rendall, Athelstan Wedgwood, Josiah C.
Muldoon, John Richardson, Albion (Peckham) White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston)
Munro, R. Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P.
Munro-Ferguson, Rt. Hon. R. C. Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) Whyte, A. F. (Perth)
Murray, Captain Hon. Arthur C. Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs) Wilkie, Alexander
Nannetti, Joseph P. Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford) Williams, J. (Glamorgan)
Needham, Christopher Thomas Robertson, John M. (Tyneside) Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen)
Nicholson, Sir Charles N. (Doncaster) Robinson, Sidney Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.)
Nolan, Joseph Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Worcs., N.)
Norman, Sir Henry Roche, Augustine (Louth) Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Norton, Cant. Cecil W. Roche, John (Calway, E.) Winfrey, Richard
Nugent, Sir Walter Richard Roe, Sir Thomas Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glas.)
Nuttall, Harry Rowlands, James Young, Samuel (Cavan, East)
O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Rowntree, Arnold Young, William (Perth, East)
O'Brien, William (Cork, N. E.) Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W. Yoxall, Sir James Henry
O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees)
O'Doherty, Philip Scanlan, Thomas TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr.
O'Donnell, Thomas Schwann, Rt. Hon. Sir C. E. Wedgwood Bonn and Mr. Geoffrey Howard.
O'Dowd, John Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B.
Ogden, Fred
NOES.
Aitken, Sir William Max Burn, Colonel C. R. Duke, Henry Edward
Anson, Rt. Hon. Sir William R. Butcher, John George Eyres-Monsell, Bolton M.
Anstruther-Gray, Major William Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. (Dublin Univ.) Faher, George Denison (Clapham)
Archer-Shee, Major Carlile, Sir Edward Mildred Falle, B. G.
Baird, J. L. Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward H. Fell, Arthur
Baker, Sir R. L. (Dorset, N.) Cassel, Felix Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey
Balcarres, Lord Castlereagh, Viscount Finlay, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert
Baldwin, Stanley Cautley, H. S. Fisher, Rt. Hon. W. Hayes
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Cave, George Fitzroy, Hon. Edward A.
Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester) Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Fleming, Valentine
Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) Cecil, Lord Hugh (Oxford University) Fletcher, John Samuel
Barnston, H. Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) Forster, Henry William
Barrie, H, T. Chaloner, Col. R. G. W. Gardner, Ernest
Bathurst, Hon. A. B. (Glouc., E.) Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. A. (Worc'r.) Gastrell, Major W. Houghton
Bathurst, C. (Wilts, Wilton) Chambers, James Gibbs, G. A.
Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks Clay, Captain H. H. Spender Gilmour, Captain John
Beckett, Hon. Gervase Clive, Captain Percy Archer Goldsmith, Frank
Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham Gordon, John (Londonderry, South)
Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish- Cooper, Richard Ashmole Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton)
Beresford, Lord C. Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) Goulding, Edward Alfred
Bigland, Alfred Craig, Captain James (Down, E.) Grant, J. A.
Blair, Reginald Craig, Norman (Kent, Thanet) Greene, W. R.
Boles, Lieut.-Col. Dennis Fortescue Craik, Sir Henry Gretton, John
Boyle, William (Norfolk, Mid) Crichton-Stuart, Lord Ninian Guinness, Hon. Rupert (Essex, S. E.)
Boyton, James Dalziel, D. (Brixton) Guinness. Hon. W.E. (Bury S. Edmunds)
Brassey, H. Leonard Campbell Denniss, E. R. B. Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne)
Bridgeman, W. Clive Dickson, Rt. Hon. C. Scott Hall, D. B. (Isle of Wight)
Bull, Sir William James Dixon, C. H. Hall. Fred (Dulwich)
Burgoyne, A. H. Doughty, Sir George Hambro, Angus Valdemar
Hamilton, Lord C. J. (Kensington, S.) Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich) Sanderson, Lancelot
Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence MacCaw, Wm. J. MacGeagh Sassoon, Sir Philip
Harris, Henry Percy M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's) Smith, Rt. Hon. F. E. (L'p'l, Walton)
Harrison-Broadley, H. B. Malcolm, Ian Smith, Harold (Warrington)
Henderson, Major H. (Berks, Abingdon) Mason, James F. (Windsor) Spear, Sir John Ward
Herbert, Hon. A. (Somerset, S.) Meysey-Thompson, E. C. Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston)
Hewins, William Albert Samuel Middlemore, John Throgmorton Staveley-Hill, Henry (Staffordshire)
Hickman, Colonel Thomas E. Mildmay, Francis Bingham Steel-Maitland, A. D.
Hill, Sir Clement L. Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas Stewart, Gershom
Hills, John Waller Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton) Strauss, Arthur (Paddington, North)
Hill-Wood, Samuel Mount, William Arthur Swift, Rigby
Hoare, S. J. G. Newdegate, F. A. Sykes, Alan John (Ches., Knutsford)
Hohler, G. F. Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) Talbot, Lord E.
Hope, Harry (Bute) Nield, Herbert Terrell, G. (Wilts, N. W.)
Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) Norton-Griffiths, J. Terrell, H. (Gloucester)
Hope, Major J. A. (Midlothian) Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A. Thompson, Robert (Belfast, N.)
Home, Wm. E. (Surrey, Guildford) Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend) Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, N.)
Houston, Robert Paterson Parkes, Ebenezer Tobin, Alfred Aspinall
Ingleby, Holcombe Pease, Herbert pike (Darlington) Touche, George Alexander
Jardine, Ernest (Somerset, E.) Peel, Captain R. F. (Woodbridge) Tryon, Capt. George Clement
Jessel, Capt. H. M. Perkins, Walter Frank Tullibardine, Marquess of
Joynson-Hicks, William Pole-Carew, Sir R. Valentia, Viscount
Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr Pretyman, Ernest George Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Kerry, Earl of Pryce-Jones, Col. E. (M'tgom'y B'ghs.) Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud
Kimber, Sir Henry Quilter, Sir William Eley C. Wills, Sir Gilbert
Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Randles, Sir John S. Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R.)
Knight, Captain Eric Ayshford Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel Wood, Hon. E. F. L. (Ripon)
Larmor, Sir J. Rawsbn, Col. R. H. Wood, John (Stalybridge)
Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle) Remnant, James Farquharson Worlley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Lawson, Hon. H. (T. H'mts, Mile End) Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall) Wright, Henry Fitzherbert
Lee, Arthur Hamilton Rolleston, Sir John Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Lewisham, Viscount Rothschild, Lionel de Yate, Col. Charles Edward
Lloyd, George Ambrose Royds, Edmund Younger, Sir George
Locker-Lampson, G. (Salisbury) Rutherford, Watson (L'pool, W. Derby)
Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R. Salter, Arthur Clavell TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr.
Lonsdale, Sir J. Brownlee Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood) Page Croft and Mr. Walrond.
Lowe, Sir F. W. (Birm., Edgbaston) Sanders, Robert A.