§ (1) For the purpose of the provisions of this Act relating to existing officers, any officer shall be deemed to be an Irish officer who is serving or employed in Irish services within the meaning of this Act.
§ (2) If any question arises whether an officer is an Irish officer as so defined, or otherwise as to any claim or right of an officer under the provisions of this Act relating to existing officers, that question shall be determined by the Civil Service Committee.
§ (3) If in any case the Civil Service Committee are of opinion that the service or employment of an officer is such that he is partly an Irish officer and partly not, that Committee shall determine any question 206 which arises as respects the proportions in which any allowance, gratuity, or compensation payable to that officer is to be paid as between the Exchequer or Consolidated Fund of Ireland and of the United Kingdom respectively.
§
Government Amendment made: in Subsection (1), at the end insert the words—
and the fact that the salary of an Irish officer is provided in whole or in part out of funds administered by the Government Department in which he serves, or out of an allowance voted for the office expenses of the office in which he is employed, or out of fees, instead of being charged on the Consolidated Fund or paid out of moneys provided by the Parliament of the United Kingdom, shall not prevent that officer being treated as an officer in the Civil Service of the Crown."—[Mr. Birell.]
§ Question put, "That the Clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill."
208§ The Committee divided: Ayes, 287 Noes, 175.
209| Division No. 405.] | AYES | [11.5 p.m. |
| Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) | Ffrench, Peter | McGhee, Richard |
| Acland, Francis Dyke | Field, William | Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. |
| Addison, Dr. Christopher | Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward | Macpherson, James Ian |
| Allen, Arthur A. (Dumbarton) | Fitzgibbon, John | MacVeagh, Jeremiah |
| Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) | Flavin, Michael Joseph | M'Callum, Sir John M. |
| Armitage, R. | George, Rt. Hon, D. Lloyd | M'Curdy, C. A. |
| Arnold, Sydney | Gilhooly, James | M'Kean, John |
| Baker, Harold T. (Accrington) | Gill, A. H. | McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald |
| Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) | Ginnell, L. | M'Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leics.) |
| Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) | Gladstone, W. G. C. | M'Laren, Hon. F. W. S. (Lines., Spalding) |
| Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) | Glanville, H. J. | Manfield, Harry |
| Barlow, Sir John Emmott (Somerset) | Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford | Markham, Sir Arthur Basil |
| Barnes, George N. | Goldstone, Frank | Marks, Sir George Croydon |
| Barton, William | Griffith, Ellis Jones | Marshall, Arthur Harold |
| Beale, Sir William Phipson | Guest, Major Hon. C. H. C. (Pembroke) | Martin, J. |
| Beauchamp, Sir Edward | Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) | Masterman, Rt. Hon. C. F. G. |
| Beck, Arthur Cecil | Guiney, Patrick | Meagher, Michael |
| Bethell, Sir John Henry | Gulland, John William | Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) |
| Black, Arthur W. | Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) | Menzies, Sir Walter |
| Boland, John Pius | Hackett, J. | Millar, James Duncan |
| Booth, Frederick Handel | Hall, Frederick (Normanton) | Molloy, Michael |
| Bowerman, C. W. | Hancock, John George | Molteno, Percy Alport |
| Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) | Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis (Rossendale) | Morison, Hector |
| Brace, William | Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) | Morton, Alpheus Cleophas |
| Brady, P. J. | Hardie, J. Keir | Muldoon, John |
| Brocklehurst, William B. | Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds) | Munro, R. |
| Brunner, J. F. L. | Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) | Murray, Captain Hon. Arthur C. |
| Bryce, J. Annan | Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) | Nannetti, Joseph P. |
| Buckmaster, Stanley O. | Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.) | Nicholson, Sir Charles N. (Doncaster) |
| Burke, E. Haviland | Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N. E.) | Nolan, Joseph |
| Burns, Rt. Hon. John | Haslam, James (Derbyshire) | Norton, Captain Cecil W. |
| Buxton, Rt. Hon. Sydney C. (Poplar) | Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) | Nugent, Sir Walter Richard |
| Byles, Sir William Pollard | Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry | O' Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) |
| Carr-Gomm, H. W. | Hayden, John Patrick | O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) |
| Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) | Hayward, Evan | O'Doherty, Philip |
| Cawley, H. T. (Heywood) | Hazleton, Richard | O'Donnell, Thomas |
| Chancellor, H. G. | Healy, Maurice (Cork) | Ogden, Fred |
| Chapple, Dr. William Allen | Hemmerde, Edward George | O'Grady, James |
| Clancy, John Joseph | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) |
| Clough, William | Henry, Sir Charles | O'Malley, William |
| Collins, Godfrey P. (Greenock) | Herbert, Col. Sir Ivor (Mon., S.) | O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) |
| Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) | Higham, John Sharp | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. |
| Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. | Hinds, John | O'Shee, James John |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. | O'Sullivan, Timothy |
| Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Hodge, John | Outhwaite R. L. |
| Cotton, William Francis | Hogge, James Myles | Palmer, Godfrey Mark |
| Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) | Holmes, Daniel Turner | Pearce, Robert (Staffs Leek) |
| Crawshay-Williams, Eliot | Holt, Richard Durning | Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham) |
| Crean, Eugene | Home, C. Silvester (Ipswich) | Phillips, John (Longford, S.) |
| Crooks, William | Howard, Hon. Geoffrey | Pointer, Joseph |
| Crumley, Patrick | Hughes, Spencer Leigh | Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. |
| Cullinan, John | Illingworth, Percy H. | Power, Patrick Joseph |
| Dalziel, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. (Kirkcaldy) | Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus | Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central) |
| Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) | Jones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvil) | Price, Sir Robert J. (Norfolk, E.) |
| Davies, Timothy (Lines., Louth) | Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) | Primrose, Hon. Neil James |
| Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) | Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) | Pringle, William M. R. |
| Dawes, J. A. | Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) | Radford, G. H. |
| De Forest, Baron | Jones, W. S. Glyn (T. H'mts, Stepney) | Raffan, Peter Wilson |
| Delany, William | Jowett, Frederick William | Raphael, Sir Herbert H. |
| Denman, Hon. R. D. | Joyce, Michael | Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields) |
| Devlin, Joseph | Keating, Matthew | Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough) |
| Dewar, Sir J. A. | Kellaway, Frederick George | Reddy, M. |
| Dickinson, W. H. | Kennedy, Vincent Paul | Redmond, John E. (Waterford) |
| Dillon, John | Kilbride, Denis | Redmond, William (Clare, E.) |
| Donelan, Captain A. | King, J. | Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.) |
| Doris, William | Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon, S. Molton) | Richardson, Albion (Peckham) |
| Duffy, William J. | Lambert, Richard (Wilts., Cricklade) | Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) |
| Duncan, (Barrow-in-Furness) | Lardner, James Carrige Rushe | Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) |
| Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley) | Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rld, Cockerm'th) | Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) |
| Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.) | Leach, Charles | Roberts. Sir J. H. (Denbighs) |
| Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) | Levy, Sir Maurice | Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford) |
| Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) | Lewis, John Herbert | Robinson, Sidney |
| Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) | Lough, Rt. Hon. Thomas | Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) |
| Esslemont, George Birnle | Low, Sir F. (Norwich) | Roche, Augustine (Louth) |
| Falconer, James | Lundon, T. | Roe, Sir Thomas |
| Farrell, James Patrick | Lynch, A. A. | Rowlands, James |
| Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles | Macdonald, J. Ramsay (Leicester) | Rowntree, Arnold |
| Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson | Macdonald J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) | Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter |
| Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W. | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) | White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston) |
| Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) | Taylor, Thomas (Bolton) | White, Sir Luke (York, E. R.) |
| Samuel, J. Stockton-on-Tees) | Tennant, Harold John | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
| Scanlan, Thomas | Thomas, J. H. | Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P. |
| Schwann, Rt. Hon. Sir C. E. | Thome, G. R. (Wolverhampton) | Whyte, A. F. (Perth) |
| Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton) | Thorne, William (West Ham) | Wiles, Thomas |
| Sheeny, David | Toulmin, Sir George | Wilkie, Alexander |
| Sherwell, Arthur James | Trevelyan, Charles Philips | Williams, J. (Glamorgan) |
| Shortt, Edward | Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander | Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen) |
| Simon, Sir John Allsebrook | Verney, Sir Harry | Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.) |
| Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe) | Wadsworth, J. | Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Words., N.) |
| Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.) | Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince) | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
| Soames, Arthur Wellesley | Walton, Sir Joseph | Wood, Rt Hon. T. McKinnon (Glas.) |
| Spicer, Rt. Hon. Sir Albert | Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent) | Young, Samuel (Cavan, East) |
| Stanley, Albert (Staffs., N. W.) | Ward, W. Dudley (Southampton) | Young, William (Perth, East) |
| Strauss, Edward A. (Southwark, West) | Wardle, George J. | Yoxall, Sir James Henry |
| Sutherland, J. E. | Waring, Walter | |
| Sutton, John E. | Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney) | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. |
| Taylor, John W. (Durham) | Webb, H. | Wedgwood Benn and Mr. W. Jones. |
| NOES | ||
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Forster, Henry William | Newman, John R. P. |
| Aitken, Sir William Max | Gardner, Ernest | Newton, Harry Kottingham |
| Amery, L. C. M. S. | Gastrell, Major W. Houghton | Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) |
| Anson, Rt. Hon. Sir William R. | Gibbs, G. A. | Nield, Herbert |
| Ashley, W. W. | Gilmour, Captain John | Norton-Griffiths, J. |
| Baird, J. L. | Goldman, C. S. | . Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend) |
| Baker, Sir R. L. (Dorset, N.) | Gordon, John (Londonderry, South) | Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington) |
| Balcarres, Lord | Greene, W. R. | Peel, Captain R. F. (Woodbridge) |
| Baldwin, Stanley | Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) | Perkins, Walter Frank |
| Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (City, Lond.) | Hall, D. B. (Isle of Wight) | Pole-Carew, Sir R. |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Hall, Fred (Dulwich) | Pollock, Ernest Murray |
| Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) | Hall, Marshall (L'pool, E. Toxteth) | Pretyman, Ernest George |
| Barnston, H. | Hamersley, Alfred St. George | Pryce-Jones, Col. E. |
| Barrie, H. T. | Hamilton, Lord C. J. (Kensington, S.) | Quilter, Sir William Eley C. |
| Bathurst, Hon. A. B. (Glouc., E.) | Hamilton, Marquess of (Londonderry) | Randies, Sir John S. |
| Bathurst, C. (Wilts, Wilton) | Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence | Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel |
| Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks | Harris, Henry Percy | Rawson, Col. R. H. |
| Beckett, Hon. Gervase | Harrison-Broadley, H. B. | Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall) |
| Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) | Helmsley, Viscount | Rolleston, Sir John |
| Bennett-Goldney, Francis | Henderson, Major H. (Berks, Abingdon) | Ronaldshay, Earl of |
| Beresford, Lord C. | Hewins, William Albert Samuel | Rothschild, Lionel de |
| Bird, A. | Hickman, Colonel Thomas E. | Rutherford. Watson (L'pool, W. Derby) |
| Blair, Reginald | Hill, Sir Clement L. | Salter, Arthur Clavell |
| Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffith- | Hills, John Waller | Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood) |
| Boyle, William (Norfolk, Mid) | Hill-Wood, Samuel | Sanders, Robert A. |
| Boyton, James | Hoare, S. J. G. | Sanderson, Lancelot |
| Bridgeman, W. Clive | Hohler, G. F. | Smith, Harold (Warrington) |
| Bull, Sir William James | Hope, Harry (Bute) | Spear, Sir John Ward |
| Burdett-Coutts, W. | Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) | Stanler, Beville |
| Burn, Colonel C. R. | Houston, Robert Paterson | Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk) |
| Butcher, John George | Hume-Williams, William Ellis | Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston) |
| Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. (Dublin Univ.) | Hunter, Sir C. R. | Staveley-Hill, Henry |
| Cassel, Felix | Ingleby, Holcombe | Stewart, Gershom |
| Castlereagh, Viscount | Jardine, Ernest (Somerset, E.) | Swift, Rigby |
| Cator, John | Jessel, Capt. H. M. | Sykes, Alan John (Ches., Knutsford) |
| Cautley, H. S. | Joynson-Hicks, William | Talbot, Lord E. |
| Cave, George | Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr | Terrell, G. (Wilts, N. W.) |
| Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Kerry, Earl of | Terrell, H. (Gloucester) |
| Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) | Kimber, Sir Henry | Thompson, Robert (Belfast, N.) |
| Chaloner. Col. R. G. W. | Knight, Captain Eric Ayshtord | Thomson, W Mitchell- (Down, N.) |
| Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. A. (Worc'r.) | Larmor, Sir J. | Thynne, Lord Alexander |
| Chambers, James | Lee, Arthur Hamilton | Touche, George Alexander |
| Clay, Captain H. H. Spender | Lewisham, Viscount | Tullibardine, Marquess of |
| Craig, Captain James (Down, E.) | Locker-Lampson, G. (Salisbury) | Valentia, Viscount |
| Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) | Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey) | Walrond, Hon. Lionel |
| Craig, Norman (Kent, Thanet) | Lonsdale, Sir J. Brownlee | Wheler, Granville C. H. |
| Craik, Sir Henry | Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (S. Geo., Han. S.) | Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.) |
| Crichton-Stuart, Lord Ninian | Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droltwich) | Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud |
| Cripps, Sir C. A. | MacCaw, Wm. J. MacGeagh | Wilson, A. Stanley (Yorks, E. R.) |
| Croft, Henry Page | Macmaster, Donald | Wood, John (Stalybridge) |
| Dalziel, D. (Brixton) | Magnus, Sir Philip | Worthington-Evans, L. |
| Dickson, Rt. Hon. C. Scott | Mason, James F. (Windsor) | Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart- |
| Dixon, C. H. | Meysey-Thompson, E. C. | Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George |
| Eyres-Monsell, Bolton M. | Middlemore, John Throgmorton | Yate, Col. Charles Edward |
| Faber, Georgo Denison (Clapham) | Mildmay, Francis Bingham | Younger, Sir George |
| Fell, Arthur | Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas | |
| Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey | Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton) | |
| Finlay, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert | Mount, William Arthur | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Sir |
| Flannery, Sir J. Fortescue | Neville, Reginald J. N. | Hildred Carlile and Major White. |
| Fletcher, John Samuel | Newdegate, F. A. |
§ Committee Report Progress; to sit again to-morrow (Tuesday)
211§ The Orders for remaining Government business were read, and postponed.
§ Whereupon, Mr. SPEAKEE, pursuant to the Order of the House of 14th October, proposed the Question, "That this House do now adjourn."