§ There shall be substituted for the scale of minimum duty payable for publicans' and beerhouse licences in Great. Britain and in Ireland contained in Scale 3, Head C. of the First Schedule of the Finance (1909–10) Act, 1910, the following scale (that is to say):—
| Population. | Minimum Duty. | |||
| Publican's Licence. | Beerhouse Licence. | |||
| £ | s. | £ | s. | |
| In areas which are not urban areas, and in urban areas with a population of less than 10,000 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 10 |
| In urban areas with a population of 10,000 or above | 7 | 10 | 4 | 0 |
§ Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the Clause be read a second time."
§ Mr. JAMES HOPEI wish to move this Clause very briefly. The object is to reduce the scale of licence duties in Great Britain to the level of that which prevails in Ireland, A long argument could be presented to the House in support of this proposal, but I do not wish to detain hon. Members at this late hour. I should like it to be understood at once that I have no wish to raise. Irish licence duties above the present scale, but I am strongly of opinion that the licence duties for Great Britain ought to be reduced to the same level as those in Ireland, so as to secure uniformity of treatment.
§ Sir RUFUS ISAACSI am quite sure the hon. Gentlemen will not expect us to say that we can accept the Amendment. It would mean a large reduction in, 3131 revenue, and it is impossible that we could entertain it for a moment. The proposal has been discussed before, and the hon. Member will, I am sure, see the impossibility of us accepting it.
§ 2 A.M.
§ Sir G. YOUNGERHow does the right hon. and learned Gentleman justify this: A particular minimum duty in Dublin is £7 10s.,
§ whilst the corresponding duty in an English city is £35.
§ Sir RUFUS ISAACSThey deal with totally different circumstances and conditions.
§ Question put, "That the Clause be read a second time."
§ The House divided: Ayes, 63; Noes, 154.
3133| Division No. 212.] | AYES. | [2.0 a.m. |
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Gibbs, George Abraham | Pollock, Ernest Murray |
| Archer-Shee, Major Martin | Glazebrook, Philip K. | Pryce-Jones, Col. Edward |
| Ashley, Wilfrid W. | Goldsmith, Frank | Ronaldshay, Earl of |
| Baird, John Lawrence | Grant, James Augustus | Royds, Edmund |
| Baker, Sir Randolf L. (Dorset, N.) | Gretton, John | Rutherford, Watson (Liverpool) |
| Balcarres, Lord | Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) | Sanders, Robert Arthur |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Henderson, Major H. (Berkshire) | Stanier, Beville |
| Barlow, Montague (Salford, S.) | Hill, Sir Clement L. (Shrewsbury) | Starkey, John Ralph |
| Bathurst, Charles (Wilts, Wilton) | Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) | Staveley-Hill, Henry |
| Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks | Kerry, Earl of | Talbot, Lord Edmund |
| Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) | Kyffin-Taylor, Gerald | Thynne, Lord Alexander |
| Bennett-Goldney, Francis | Lewisham, Viscount | Touche, George Alexander |
| Boles, Lieut.-Col. Dennis F. | Locker-Lampson, G. (Salisbury) | Walrond, Hon. Lionel |
| Boyton, James | Macmaster, Donald | Wheler, Granville C. H. |
| Bridgeman, William Clive | Malcolm, Ian | White, Major G. D. (Lanes., Southport) |
| Burn, Colonel Charles Rosdew | Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas | Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud |
| Cassel, Felix | Neville, Reginald J. Neville | Winterton, Earl |
| Cecil, Lord Hugh (Oxford Univ.) | Newdegate, F. A. | Worthington-Evans, Laming |
| Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. A. (Worc'r.) | Newman, John R. P. | Younger, Sir George |
| Chambers, James | Newton, Harry Kottingham | |
| Clive, Captain Percy Archer | Peel, Hon. W. R. W. (Taunton) | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. |
| Eyres-Monsell, Bolton M. | Peto, Basil Edward | Samuel Roberts and Mr. Barnston. |
| NOES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Dublin Harbour) | Gill, Alfred Henry | MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, S.) |
| Acland, Francis Dyke | Greenwood, G. G. (Peterborough) | Macpherson, James Ian |
| Adamson, William | Greig, Colonel James William | MacVeagh, Jeremiah |
| Armitage, Robert | Gulland, John William | McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald |
| Baker, Harold T. (Accrington) | Hackett, John | Markham, Sir Arthur Basil |
| Barnes, George N. | Hancock, John George | Marks, Sir George Croydon |
| Bentham, George Jackson | Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) | Marshall, Arthur Harold |
| Boland, John Pius | Harmsworth, C. B. (Beds, Luton) | Mason, David M. (Coventry) |
| Booth, Frederick Handel | Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, West) | Masterman, Rt. Hon. C. F. G. |
| Bowerman, Charles W. | Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N.E.) | Meehan, Rrancis E. (Leitrim, N.) |
| Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) | Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry | Molloy, Michael |
| Brady, Patrick Joseph | Hayden, John Patrick | Mooney, John J. |
| Burke, E. Haviland- | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Morison, Hector |
| Burns, Rt. Hon. John | Henry, Sir Charles S. | Muldoon, John |
| Byles, Sir William Pollard | Higham, John Sharp | Munro, Robert |
| Carr-Gomm, H. W. | Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. | Murray, Captain Hon. Arthur C. |
| Clancy, John Joseph | Hogge, James Myles | Nannetti, Joseph P. |
| Clough, William | Hudson, Walter | Nolan, Joseph |
| Clynes, John R. | Hughes, Spencer Leigh | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | Illingworth, Percy H. | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) |
| Cotton, William Francis | Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus | O'Doherty, Philip |
| Crumley, Patrick | John, Edward Thomas | O'Donnell, Thomas |
| Cullinan, John | Jones, Edgar R. (Merthyr Tydvil) | O'Grady, James |
| Dawes, James Arthur | Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) | O'Kelly, E. P. (Wicklow, W.) |
| Delany, William | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) | O'Malley, William |
| Denman, Hon. Richard Douglas | Jowett, Frederick William | O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) |
| Devlin, Joseph | Joyce, Michael | O'Shaugnessy, P. J. |
| Dillon, John | Keating, Matthew | O'Shee, James John |
| Donelan, Captain A. | Kellaway, Frederick George | O'Sullivan, Timothy |
| Duffy, William J. | Kilbride, Denis | Outhwaite, Robert Leonard |
| Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) | King, Joseph | Parker, James (Halifax) |
| Duncan, J. hustings (York, Otley) | Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon S.Molton) | Phillips, John (Longford, S.) |
| Eliklbank, Rt. Hon. Master of | Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) | Pointer, Joseph |
| Esmonde, Dr. J. (Tipperary, N.) | Lardner, James Carrige Rushe | Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. |
| Esmonde, Sir T. (Wexford, N.) | Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.) | Power, Patrick Joseph |
| Farrell, James Patrick | Lewis, John Herbert | Price, C. E. (Edinburgh Central) |
| Ffrench, Peter | Lundon, Thomas | Price, Sir Robert J. (Norfolk, E.) |
| Field, William | Lynch, Arthur Alfred | Primrose, Hon. Neil James |
| Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward | Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) | Prlngle, William M. R. |
| Flavin, Michael Joseph | Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) | Rattan, Peter Wilson |
| George, Rt. Hon. David Lloyd | Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. | Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields) |
| Reddy, Michael | Shortt, Edward | Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent) |
| Redmond, John E. (Waterford) | Simon, Sir John Allsebrook | Webb, Henry |
| Redmond, William (Clare, E.) | Smith, Albert (Lanes., Ciltheroe) | Wedgwood, Joslah C. |
| Richards, Thomas | Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim. S.) | White, James Dundas (Glasgow) |
| Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoin) | Stanley, Albert (Staffs, N.W.) | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
| Roberts, George H. (Norwich) | Sutton, John E. | Wilkie, Alexander |
| Robertson, John M. (Tyneside) | Taylor, John W. (Durham) | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
| Roche, Augustine (Louth, N.) | Tennant, Harold John | |
| Rowlands, James | Thwne, G. R. (Wolverhampton) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. |
| Scanlan, Thomas | Trevelyan, Charles Philips | Wedgwood Benn and Mr. Geoffrey- |
| Seely, Rt. Hon. Colonel | Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander | Howard. |
| Sheehy, David | Wadsworth, John |
Resolution agreed to.