Mr. SILVESTER HORNEI beg to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer a question, of which I have given him private notice, whether he can make any further announcement in regard to business on Friday next?
§ Mr. LLOYD GEORGEMy hon. Friend the hon. Member for Wisbech (Mr. Neil Primrose) has agreed to postpone his 877 Motion relating to magistrates' appointments to an early day. We propose on Friday to take the India High Courts Bill, a Money Resolution, and some other Orders.
Mr. PEELIs it the fact that this vote of censure on the Lord Chancellor is being "withdrawn. If it is not, what is the reason for postponing it?
§ Mr. LLOYD GEORGEI cannot accept the opinion of the hon. Gentleman that it is a vote of censure on the Lord Chancellor. The discussion as to the appointment of magistrates has been postponed to meet the convenience of Members interested in it.
§ Mr. KEIR HARDIECan the Undersecretary for India say when the ballot for motions on the India Budget is to be taken?
§ Mr. LLOYD GEORGEIt will be within the next day or two.
Sir HENRY DALZIELCan the right hon. Gentleman say, for the convenience of Members, whether it is contemplated to have a statement on the Parliament Bill on Monday?
§ Mr. LLOYD GEORGEPerhaps my hon. Friend will represent that matter to the Prime Minister.
§ Mr. KEIR HARDIECan the right hon. Gentleman say definitely whether the India ballot will be taken to-morrow?
§ Mr. ILLINGWORTH (Lord of the Treasury)was understood to indicate assent.
§ Mr. HAROLD SMITHAre we likely to have another day for the discussion of the Education Estimates?
§ Mr. LLOYD GEORGEThat is obviously a question of which notice ought to be given to the Leader of the House.
§ Mr. HAROLD SMITHI think it was asked yesterday.
§ Mr. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAINMay I refer to the Insurance Bill, and ask whether the right hon. Gentleman can tell us when the actuaries' report as to the soldiers and sailors will be in our hands?
§ Mr. LLOYD GEORGEI certainly thought I would have had it some time ago. I am still pressing on the subject, 878 but hon. Members have been making so many suggestions that the actuaries found themselves unable to complete the report.
§ Mr. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAINThe right hon. Gentleman will see that it is extremely inconvenient for Members dealing with the Insurance Bill if they are not in possession of the necessary information, and that it is very difficult for them to proceed with the discussion in the spirit in which all sides want it to be undertaken unless we have some assistance in the matter.
§ Mr. LLOYD GEORGENothing has arisen in the course of the discussions up to the present upon the acturial figures as to soldiers and sailors, and long before we reach the subject I am sanguine they will be ready. I sincerely regret they were not ready before this.
§ Mr. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAINThe Chancellor of the Exchequer is constantly telling us that we must not discuss a particular question with sole reference to the merits of that question, but have regard to the Bill as a whole. It is in order to judge of the other claims that we want the actuaries' report as early as posible.
§ Mr. LLOYD GEORGEI do not want to enter into any sort of discussion, but really nothing has arisen in reference to the actuarial position of soldiers and sailors, and we have taken full power under the Resolution to pay them.
Mr. WORTHINGTON-EVANSCan the right hon. Gentleman not publish the data which is already in existence, and which was supplied by the Admiralty and the Army Council to the actuaries?
§ Mr. LLOYD GEORGENo, I do not think that would be desirable. I think hon. Gentlemen had better wait. I will do my very best to have the report, but up to the present we have not had any discussion in Committee which had the remotest reference to soldiers and sailors.
Mr. WORTHINGTON-EVANSThe right hon. Gentleman has invited us to bring in alternative schemes by Amendments, and does he not realise that it is impossible for anyone to frame Amendments until the data is available?
§ Mr. LLOYD GEORGEmoved, "That the Proceedings on the National Insurance Bill, if under discussion at Eleven o'clock 879 this night, be not interrupted under the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."
§ Question put.
880§ The House divided: Ayes, 218; Noes, 136.
881| Division No. 279.] | AYES. | [3.35 P.M. |
| Acland, Francis Dyke | Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) | Palmer, Godfrey |
| Adamson, William | Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry | Parker, James (Halifax) |
| Addison, Dr. C. | Haworth, Sir Arthur A. | Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) |
| Agar-Robartes, Hon. T. C. R. | Hayden, John Patrick | Pearce, William (Limehouse) |
| Ainsworth, John Stirling | Helme, Norval Watson | Phillips, John (Longford, S.) |
| Alden, Percy | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Pointer, Joseph |
| Allen, Arthur Acland (Dumbartonshire) | Henry, Sir Charles S. | Pollard, Sir George H. |
| Armitage, R. | Herbert, Col. Sir Ivor | Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. |
| Baker, H. T. (Accrington) | Higham, John Sharp | Power, Partick Joseph |
| Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) | Hinds, John | Price, Sir Robert J. (Norfolk, E.) |
| Barran, Sir J. N. (Hawick) | Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. | Priestley, Sir Arthur (Grantham) |
| Barry, Redmond John (Tyrone, N.) | Hodge, John | Radford, G. H. |
| Barton, W. | Holt, Richard Durning | Raffan, Peter Wilson |
| Beale, W. P. | Horne, Charles Silvester (Ipswich) | Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields) |
| Beauchamp, Sir Edward | Howard, Hon. Geoffrey | Reddy, M. |
| Benn, W. W. (T. Hamlets, St. Geo.) | Hughes, S. L. | Redmond, John E. (Waterford) |
| Bentham, G. J. | Hunter, W. (Govan) | Rendall, Athelstan |
| Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustus | John, Edward Thomas | Richards, Thomas |
| Black, Arthur W. | Johnson, W. | Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) |
| Booth, Frederick Handel | Jones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvil) | Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) |
| Boyle, D. (Mayo N.) | Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) | Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs) |
| Brace, William | Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) | Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford) |
| Brady, P. J. | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) | Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside) |
| Brocklehurst, W. B. | Jones, W. S. Glyn- (T. H'mts, Stepney) | Robinson, Sydney |
| Brunner, John F. L. | Joyce, Michael | Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) |
| Burke, E. Haviland- | Keating, M. | Roche, Augustine (Louth) |
| Burt, Rt. Hon Thomas | Kelly, Edward | Roche, John (Galway E.) |
| Buxton, Rt. Hon. Sydney C. (Poplar) | Kemp, Sir George | Roe, Sir Thomas |
| Byles, Sir William Pollard | King, J. (Somerset, N.) | Rose, Sir Charles Day |
| Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) | Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) | Rowlands, James |
| Chancellor, H. G. | Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rld, Cockerm'th) | Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter |
| Chapple, Dr. W. A. | Leach, Charles | Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) |
| Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston S. | Levy, Sir Maurice | Samuel, J. (Stockton) |
| Clough, William | Lewis, John Herbert | Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) |
| Clynes, John R. | Logan, John William | Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton) |
| Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. | Lundon, T. | Seeley, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B. |
| Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Lynch, A. A. | Sheehy, David |
| Cotton, William Francis | Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) | Simon, Sir John Allsebrook |
| Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) | Maclean, Donald | Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe) |
| Crooks, William | Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. | Smith, H. B. L. (Northampton) |
| Crumley, Patrick | MacNeill, John G. S. (Donegal, South) | Snowden, P. |
| Dalziel, Sir James H. (Kirkcaldy) | Macpherson, James Ian | Soames, Arthur Wellesley |
| Davies, David (Montgomery Co.) | M'Callum, John M. | Strachey, Sir Edward |
| Davies, E. William (Eifion) | McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald | Strauss, Edward A. (Southwark, West) |
| Davies Timothy (Lincs., Louth) | M'Laren, H. D. (Leices.) | Sutherland, J. E. |
| Dawes, J. A. | M'Laren, Walter S. B. (Ches., Crewe) | Taylor, John W. (Durham) |
| Delany, William | Manfield, Harry | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) |
| Denman, Hon. Richard Douglas | Markham, Sir Arthur Basil | Tennant, Harold John |
| Dickinson, W. H. | Marks, Sir George Croydon | Thomas, James Henry (Derby) |
| Dillon, John | Marshall, Arthur Harold | Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton) |
| Doris, W. | Martin, J. | Toulmin, Sir George |
| Duffy, William J. | Mason, David M. (Coventry) | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
| Duncan, J. Hastings (York, Otley) | Meagher, Michael | Wadsworth, Sir J. |
| Edwards, Enoch (Hanley) | Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) | Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent) |
| Elverston, Sir Harold | Molteno, Percy Alport | Ward, W. Dudley (Southampton) |
| Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) | Money, L. G. Chiozza | Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay |
| Essex, Richard Walter | Montagu, Hon. E. S. | Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan) |
| Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles | Mooney, J. J. | Watt, Henry A. |
| Ferens, T. R. | Morgan, George Hay | Webb, H. |
| Flavin, Michael Joseph | Morrell, Philip | Wedgwood, Josiah C. |
| Gelder, Sir W. A. | Morton, Alpheus Cleophas | White, Sir George (Norfolk) |
| George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd | Munro, R. | White, Sir Luke (York, E.R.) |
| Gill, A. H. | Murray, Captain Hon. A. C. | Whyte, A. F. (Perth) |
| Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford | Needham, Christopher T. | Wiles, Thomas |
| Goldstone, Frank | Neilson, Francis | Williams, J. (Glamorgan) |
| Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) | Nolan, Joseph | Williams, P. (Middlesbrough) |
| Greig, Colonel J. W. | Norman, Sir Henry | Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.) |
| Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) | Norton, Capt. Cecil W. | Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Worcs., N.) |
| Hackett, J. | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glas.) |
| Hancock, J. G | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) | Yoxall, Sir James Henry |
| Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) | O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) | |
| Hardie, J. Keir (Merthyr Tydvil) | O'Dowd, John | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. Illingworth and Mr. Gulland. |
| Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) | O'Grady, James | |
| Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N.E.) | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. | |
| NOES. | ||
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Gastrell, Major W. H. | Newdegata, F. A. |
| Ashley, W. W. | Goldsmith, Frank | Newman, John R. P. |
| Astor, Waldorf | Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton) | Newton, Harry Kottingham |
| Bagot, Lieut.-Colonel J. | Goulding, Edward Alfred | Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) |
| Baker, Sir R. L. (Dorset, N.) | Grant, J. A. | Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A. |
| Balcarres, Lord | Greene, W. R. | Paget, Almeric Hugh |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Gretton, John | Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend) |
| Banner, John S. Harmood- | Guinness, Hon. W. E. | Parkes, Ebenezer |
| Barnes, George N. | Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) | Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington)) |
| Bathurst, Hon. Allen B. (Glouc., E.) | Hambro, Angus Valdemar | Peel, Hon. W. R. W. (Taunton) |
| Bathurst, Charles (Wilton) | Hamersley, A. St. George | Pryce-Jones, Col. E. |
| Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks | Hamilton, Lord C. J. (Kensington, S.) | Quilter, William Ely C. |
| Beckett, Hon. Gervase | Hamilton, Marquess of (Londonderry) | Rawson, Colonel R. H. |
| Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) | Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence | Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall) |
| Benn, Ion H. (Greenwich) | Harris, Henry Percy | Rolleston, Sir John |
| Bennett-Goldney, Francis | Henderson, Major H. (Berks., Abingdon) | Ronaldshay, Earl of |
| Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish- | Hickman, Col. T. E. | Rothschild, Lionel de |
| Beresford, Lord C. | Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) | Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood) |
| Bigland, Alfred | Horne, W. E. (Surrey, Guildford) | Sanders Robert A. |
| Boyle, W. L. (Norfolk, Mid) | Houston, Robert Paterson | Smith, Harold (Warrington) |
| Bridgeman, W. Clive | Hunter, Sir C. R. (Bath) | Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston) |
| Burn, Colonel, C. R. | Ingleby, Holcombe | Starkey, John R. |
| Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred | Jessel, Captain H. M. | Staveley-Hill, Henry |
| Cassel, Felix | Jowett, F. W. | Stewart, Gershom |
| Castlereagh, Viscount | Kebty-Fletcher, J. R. | Sykes, Alan John (Ches., Knutsford) |
| Cautley, H. S. | Kerry, Earl of | Talbot, Lord E. |
| Cave, George | Kimber, Sir Henry | Terrell, G. (Wilts, N.W.) |
| Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Kirkwood, J. H. M. | Thynne, Lord Alexander |
| Chaloner, Colonel R. G. W. | Knight, Captain E. A. | Touche, George Alexander |
| Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. A. (Worc'r) | Kyffin-Taylor, G. | Tryon, Capt. George Clement |
| Clay, Captain H. H. Spender | Lansbury, George | Walker, Colonel William Hall |
| Clive, Captain Percy Archer | Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootie) | Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince) |
| Cooper, Richard Ashmole | Lawson, Hon. H. (T. H'mts, Mile End) | Ward, Arnold S. (Herts, Watford) |
| Craig, Norman (Kent) | Lee, Arthur H. | Weigall, Capt. A. G. |
| Craik, Sir Henry | Locker-Lampson, G. (Salisbury) | Wheler, Granville C. H. |
| Croft, H. P. | Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R. | White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport) |
| Dixon, C. H. | Long, Rt. Hon. Walter | Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud |
| Doughty, Sir George | Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (Hanover Sq.) | Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.) |
| Eyres-Monsell, B. M. | Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droltwich) | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
| Faber, George Denison (Clapham) | MacCaw, Wm. J. MacGeagh | Wood, John (Stalybridge) |
| Faber, Capt. W. V. (Hants, W.) | Mackinder, H. J. | Worthington-Evans, L. |
| Falle, B. G. | Magnus, Sir Philip | Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart- |
| Fell, Arthur | Meysey-Thompson, E. C. | Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George |
| Fleming, Valentine | Mildmay, Francis Bingham | |
| Fletcher, John Samuel (Hampstead) | Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. Barnston and Mr. Gibbs. |
| Forster, Henry William | Mount, William Arthur | |
| Gardner, Ernest |
Question, "That the Clause, as Amended, stand part of the Bill," put, and agreed to.
§ NEW MEMBER SWORN.—Timothy Michael Healy, esquire, for County of Cork (North-East Cork Division).