§ Postponed Proceeding on Question, "That a sum, not exceeding £52,400 (including a Supplementary sum of £13,000 be granted to His Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1909, for Expenditure in respect of Diplomatic and Consular Buildings and for the maintenance of certain Cemeteries Abroad," resumed.
§ Question again proposed.
§ SIR F. BANBURYasked for an explanation of two items in the Vote. The first was for the enlargement and adaptation of Madame Martini's house. He wanted to know who Madame Martini was and why her house had been adapted 794 at an expense of £6,950, of which £4,950 had already been spent and £2,000 was put down for this year. There was also an item of £14,000 for the erection of a new Consulate at Port Said. That was a new Vote and £2,000 was supposed to be required for it this year. He wanted to ask two or three questions upon that. He first wanted to know why it was necessary to erect a new Consulate at Port Said. He presumed there had been a Consulate at Port Said for many years. He did not grudge the Consul at Port Said proper accommodation, but as he had apparently been there for a great number of years and had existed during those years, as far as he knew without inconvenience to himself or the business which he carried out, why was this £14,000 suddenly required to be expended? In view of what had taken place earlier in the evening too, he would like to know whether this was merely a sketch Vote which would probably next year be enlarged, or whether it might be more or less adhered to. There was also an item for rebuilding the Consulate at Nagasaki and the original estimate was given as three noughts. He did not know what that meant.
§ *MR. HARCOURT£5,000. The five is accidentally omitted.
§ SIR F. BANBURYsaid there appeared to be something unfortunate with regard to the printing of the Estimates this year, because the Memorandum which ought to have been circulated on 7th March was not presented until that morning. He had been, through the courtesy of the Financial Secretary to the Treasury, given an advance copy about ten days ago, but that he thought was only because he happened to make some observations about it in the House of Commons. He had no wish to be put in a favoured position or to obtain an advantage over his fellow Members on that side of the House. He must ask the right hon. Gentleman if he would investigate the matter of the printing in order to ensure that in the future the proper figures were put in and that the Memorandum was circulated as the proper date and not at the last moment. At the same time, 795 he hoped that would not prevent him having the privilege of an advance copy if any were given to Members on that side of the House.
§ *MR. HARCOURTsaid the prosperity of Port Said was increasing, and it was considered advisable to rebuild the Consulate there. The hon. Member had complained that this item had appeared suddenly in the Estimates. Any item that was new must appear suddenly. The establishment of a new Consulate was necessary at Port Said because there was a larger population there than the hon. Baronet seemed to imagine. The hon. Baronet had asked a question about the wages, but he thought it would be better if at a later date he gave him a schedule of the wages after it had been translated into our currency. The Memorandum circulated by the Treasury did not concern him, although he was glad that the hon. Baronet had managed to get a copy before he did. He regretted that in the hon. Baronet's copy a blunder occurred in one of the figures.
§ MR. ASHLEYsaid that in reference to the Consulate at Port Said he could not regard the right hon. Gentleman's answer as satisfactory. The percentage of British vessels going through Port Said was less than it was ten years ago, and he was afraid that the trade of that port was not increasing. The increased trade to Egypt went almost entirely through Alexandria, and the amount certainly seemed a large sum to spend upon a port where the trade was almost stagnant. He thought £14,000 was a very large sum to spend upon a new building, for he understood that there was not a new site to be bought; the money was for the building only, to be erected on the old site. He agreed that our Consuls should be properly housed, but when the Government were trying to economise money in so many directions he thought £14,000 for this purpose was a very large and excessive amount. He also desired to call attention to a sum of £5,400 for reconstructing the Chancery in Paris. He hoped the exterior would not be interfered with. It was hardly necessary to spend £5,400 on reconstructing the interior.
§ *MR. REESsaid he had always understood that the Consulate at Port Said was combined not as regards the office, but as regards the occupant, for many years with the agency of the P. and O. Company. He did not understand the necessity for a new building although he did not agree with the contention of the hon. Member opposite that a Consulate was no longer required at Port Said. It would be required and very much required as long as the Suez Canal was in use, and we were the owners of India, and the carriers of the world.
§ SIR F. BANBURYsaid the right hon. Gentleman had not answered his question as to why it was necessary to erect a new Consulate at Port Said. Had there been any increase of business there which made that step necessary? The only reason which had been given was that the old building was a bad one. He was glad that on this point they had the hon. Member for Montgomeryshire on their side. He understood that there was no question of acquiring land, and all the right hon. Gentleman stated was that the old buildings were going to be improved. The right hon. Gentleman in his reply was very amusing and said he would get for him the schedule of wages and have it translated into the English currency. That was not what he wanted at all. His point was that they were able to build more cheaply at Port Said than in this country because wages were lower, and he thought £10,000 was a very large sum to spend upon a house in Port Said. The right hon. Gentleman had given him no answer whatever to that question. He wanted to know whether it was not a Let that they could build more cheaply there, and whether it was not true that £10,000 spent upon a house at Port Said was probably equal to £15,000 spent in this country for the sine purpose. If he was right in that contention he wanted to know why in that part of the world it was necessary to spend such a large sum. If he did not get a satisfactory answer to those points he should certainly divide the House.
§ MR. T. L. CORBETTmoved to reduce the Vote by £200. Those hon. Members who cared so much about economy in these matters felt compelled, 797 after the very unsatisfactory answers they had received to the points they had raised, to divide the Committee upon this Motion. The hon. Baronet the Member for the City of London had appealed to him as one who had known Port Said for more years, perhaps, than almost any other Member of the House, to express his opinion on this point, and he could only say that he thought the expenditure of £14,000 on a Consulate there, without one word of explanation, was almost as remark-
§ able as the expenditure of £10,000 upon a Consulate at Mukden, which had been voted without one word of protest from hon. Members below the gangway, and those representing the Labour Party.
§ Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £52,200, be granted for the said Service."—(Mr. T. L. Corbett.)
§ The Committee divided:—Ayes, 33; Noes, 190. (Division List No: 68.)
799| AYES | ||
| Acland-Hood, Rt Hn. Sir Alex. F | Forster, Henry William | Salter, Arthur Clavell |
| Arkwright, John Stanhope | Goulding, Edward Alfred | Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East) |
| Balcarres, Lord | Gretton, John | Stone, Sir Benjamin |
| Banner, John S. Harmood- | Guinness, Walter Edward | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) |
| Barrie, H. T. (Londonderry, N.) | Hamilton, Marquess of | Thomson, W. Mitchell-(Lanark) |
| Bignold, Sir Arthur | MacCaw, William J. MacGeagh | Valentia, Viscount |
| Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | M'Arthur, Charles | Younger, George |
| Coates, E. Feetham (Lewisham) | Moore, Wiliam | |
| Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. | Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir |
| Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Randles, Sir John Scurrah | Frederick Banbury and Mr. |
| Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- | Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel | Ashley. |
| Du Cros, Arthur Philip | Remnant, James Farquharson | |
| Fell, Arthur | Renton, Major Leslie | |
| NOES | ||
| Agnew, George William | Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) | Henry, Charles S. |
| Allen, A. Acland (Christchurch) | Davies, Timothy (Fulham) | Higham, John Sharp |
| Allen, Charles P. (Stroud) | Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.) | Hobart, Sir Robert |
| Balfour, Robert (Lanark) | Delany, William | Hope, W. Bateman (Somerset, N. |
| Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight) | Duckworth, James | Horniman, Emslie John |
| Barlow, Percy (Bedford) | Duffy, William J. | Howard, Hon. Geoffrey |
| Barnes, G. N. | Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) | Hudson, Walter |
| Barry, Redmond J.(Tyrone, N.) | Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) | Hyde, Clarendon |
| Beale, W. P. | Dunne, Major E. Martin (Walsall | Illingworth, Percy H. |
| Beauchamp, E. | Erskine, David C. | Jowett, F. W. |
| Bell, Richard | Essex, R. W. | Joyce, Michael |
| Benn, W. (T'w'r Hamlets, S. Geo. | Esslemont, George Birnie | Kearley, Hudson E. |
| Bowerman, C. W. | Everett, R. Lacey | Kelley, George D. |
| Brigg, John | Fiennes, Hon. Eustace | Kennedy, Vincent Paul |
| Bright, J. A. | Fuller, John Michael F. | Kilbride, Denis |
| Brodie, H. C. | Gibb, James (Harrow) | King, Alfred John (Knutsford) |
| Bryce, J. Annan | Gill, A. H. | Laidlaw, Robert |
| Burke, E. Haviland- | Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herbert John | Lamont, Norman |
| Buxton, Rt. Hn. Sydney Charles | Glen-Coats, Sir T. (Renfrew, W.) | Lardner, James Carrige Rushe |
| Byles, William Pollard | Glover, Thomas | Layland-Barratt, Francis |
| Carr-Gomm, H. W. | Gooch, George Peabody (Bath) | Lehmann, R. C. |
| Causton, Rt. Hn. Richard Knight | Grant, Corrie | Lever, A. Levy (Essex, Harwich |
| Cawley, Sir Frederick | Gordon, Rt Hn. Sir W. Brampton | Levy, Sir Maurice |
| Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R. | Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis | Lewis, John Herbert |
| Clough, William | Hardy, George A. (Suffolk) | Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David |
| Collins, Sir Wm. J. (S. Pancras, W | Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r) | Lough, Thomas |
| Compton-Rickett, Sir J. | Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) | Lupton, Arnold |
| Cooper, G. J. | Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N. E. | Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) |
| Corbett, C H (Sussex, E. Grinst'd | Haworth, Arthur A. | Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. |
| Cotton, Sir H. J. S. | Hazel, Dr. A. E. | MacNeill John Gordon Swift |
| Crean, Eugene | Hazleton, Richard | MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down, S.) |
| Crooks, William | Healy, Timothy Michael | MacVeigh, Charles (Donegal, E.) |
| Crosfield, A. H. | Helme, Norval Watson | M'Callum, John M. |
| Dalziel, James Henry | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | M'Crae, George |
| M'Laren, H. D. (Stafford, W.) | Pollard, Dr. | Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal) |
| M'Micking, Major G. | Price, C. E. (Edinb'gh, Central) | Strauss, E. A. (Abingdon) |
| Mallet, Charles E. | Priestley, Arthur (Grantham) | Summerbell, T. |
| Marks, G. Croydon (Launceston) | Priestley, W. E. B. (Bradford, E.) | Taylor, John W. (Durham) |
| Marnham, F. J. | Radford, G. H. | Tennant Sir Edward (Salisbury) |
| Massie, J. | Raphael, Herbert H. | Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr |
| Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) | Rea, Walter Russell (Scarboro' | Thompson, J. W. H.(Somerset, E |
| Micklem, Nathaniel | Reddy, M. | Tomkinson, James |
| Middlebrook, William | Rees, J. D. | Verney, F. W. |
| Montagu, E. S. | Richards, Thomas (W. Monm'th | Wadsworth, J. |
| Mooney, J. J. | Richards, T. F.(Wolverh'mpt'n | Walters, John Tudor |
| Morrell, Philip | Ridsdale, E. A. | Ward, W. Dudley (Southampt'n |
| Morton, Alpheus Cleophas | Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) | Waring, Walter |
| Muldoon, John | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) | Wason, Hon. E. (Clackmanan) |
| Myer, Horatio | Robson, Sir William Snowdon | Waterlow, D. S. |
| Nicholson, Charles N.(Doncast'r | Roche, John (Galway, East) | White, Sir George (Norfolk) |
| Norman, Sir Henry | Rowlands, J. | White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire) |
| Norton, Capt. Cecil William | Runciman, Walter | White, Luke (York, E. R.) |
| Nugent, Sir Walter Richard | Russell, T. W. | Whitley, John Henry (Halifax) |
| Nussey, Thomas Willans | Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland) | Wiles, Thomas |
| O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Scott, A. H.(Ashton under Lyne | Wills, Arthur Walters |
| O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) | Seaverns, J. H. | Wilson, John (Durham, Mid) |
| O'Doherty, Philip | Seddon, J. | Wilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough) |
| O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.) | Seely, Colonel | Wilson, P. W. (St. Pancras, S.) |
| O'Dowd, John | Shackleton, David James | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
| O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) | Shaw. Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick B.) | Yoxall, James Henry |
| O'Kelly, James(Roscommon, N | Simon, John Allsebrook | |
| O'Malley, William | Snowden. P. | TELLER'S FOR THE NOES—Mr. |
| Parker, James (Halifax) | Stanger, H. Y. | Whiteley and Mr. J. A. |
| Partington, Oswald | Stanley, Albert (Staffs, N. W.) | Pease. |
| Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) | Stanley, Hn. A. Lyulph (Chesh.) |
§ Original Question again proposed.
§ MR. FELLcalled attention to an item of £815 for new boundary walls for the Consulate Gaol at Shanghai, and asked for an explanation. It was a singular thing that where the Chinese were concerned the House could not get away from walls and gaols and compounds. It puzzled him to understand why we should have a gaol of our own at Shanghai so extensive as to require a boundary wall which was to cost £815.
§ MR. GRETTON (Rutland)asked for information in regard to a sum proposed to be taken for the Embassy buildings at Madrid.
THE DEPUTY-CHAIRMANIt is not in order now to discuss capital outlay. The item in the Vote is for maintenance and repairs.
§ MR. GRETTONsaid he wished to get information on that subject. A sum of money was put down last year and the work was not gone on with. He thought he would be in order in asking why, for the time being, the 800 proposal for renewing the buildings was not gone on with.
THE DEPUTY-CHAIRMANThe hon. Member must see that maintenance has nothing to do with anything that has not been gone on with.
§ MR. GRETTONsaid they were now asked to vote money for buildings which were not satisfactory, and which ought to be renewed. He thought he would be in order in questioning the expenditure of money on such buildings.
THE DEPUTY-CHAIRMANThere is no charge for new buildings, and, therefore, there can be no discussion on that subject. You cannot discuss capital outlay on the question of maintenance.
§ MR. GRETTONsaid he bowed to the Chairman's ruling. He would put the matter on a, narrower basis and ask whether the sum of money to be voted for the maintenance of Embassies was adequate for the maintenance at Madrid of the dignity of the representative of 801 this country. The proper maintenance of the Embassy at Madrid was a matter of great interest to this country, and he desired to know whether it was proposed to expend any larger sum in any future year.
THE DEPUTY-CHAIRMANThe question whether there will be expenditure of a larger sum in any future year has nothing to do with this Vote.
§ MR. GRETTONasked whether he might point out that the sum taken this year was not sufficient. The sum which had been taken was not sufficient to maintain the Embassy in a condition worthy of the dignity of this country. There was some difficulty in obtaining any information that evening in regard to some of these smaller items. He thought it was absurd that the First Commissioner of Works should be responsible for this Vote, but he was sure the right hon. Gentleman would give all information in his power to the Committee.
§ *MR. HARCOURTsaid he was always glad to afford to hon. Members opposite any information in his possession. The hon. Member for Great Yarmouth had asked a question as to the gaol at Shanghai. There had been a gaol at Shanghai for some time, as perhaps the hon. Member knew, but unfortunately it had been for many years surrounded by a wooden fence only. The Consul now thought it necessary to have a wall—a common thing in the case of a gaol—and he had given way to his representations. The hon. Member for Rutland seemed to take a great interest in the Embassy at Madrid, and to have been struck by its insufficiency. It was quite right that there should be appropriate accommodation for the representatives of His Majesty and this country at Madrid, but the hon. Member might not 802 be aware that last year they had completed the whole of the Embassy at Madrid; it vas in the finest quarter in the town, and was now absolutely finished and decorated. As a matter of fact he was attacked last year for the amount spent upon it. It was the absolute completion of the building that had kept it out of the Estimates his year, and the information of the hon. Gentleman must be somewhat out of date.
§ MR. GRETTONsaid he had not the honour of being present in the House, last year, and therefore could net share in the explanation Which the right hon. Gentleman had made on the last occasion. He saw that the Vote last year was only for £500. In connection with this subject might he ask what was the total amount expended on the Embassy?
§ MR. GOULDING (Worcester)thought that the information given about the new boundary wall for the Consulate at. Shanghai was eminently unsatisfactory. Here was a sum of £800 spent in one year for a wooden paling. It was impossible to suppose otherwise than that that wooden paling had been grossly neglected, or else this hideous expenditure would not have been required. They had a Government in power uncommonly fond of cheeseparing of the most contemptible character, except with reference to certain jobs going on in Ireland. If a new paling was required, why not buy wood for it at home and send out to Shanghai, thus giving employment to British workmen? Why should they erect a big, clumsy wall which would give employment to Chinese instead of supplying from this country an unclimbable fence which would give the greatest satisfaction? He presumed it was a Consular Gaol, and that Englishmen were not confined there. They knew that Chinamen were not very active in their movements; they had the misfortune to have a pigtail which had 803 been of advantage to the Party opposite, and that pigtail often got in their way. They would be unable to get over an unclimbable fence; and if an order was given in this country for an unclimbable fence they would have the satisfaction of knowing that they had given English work to the English unemployed. He
§ begged to move that the Vote be reduced by £350.
§ Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £52,050, be granted for the said Service."—(Mr. Goulding.)
§ The Committee divided:—Ayes, 32; Noes, 188. (Division List No. 69.)
805| AYES. | ||
| Acland-Hood, Rt Hn. Sir Alex. F | Courthope, G. Loyd | Remnant, James Farquharson |
| Arkwright, John Stanhope | Du Cros, Arthur Philip | Renton, Major Leslie |
| Ashley, W. W. | Fell, Arthur | Salter, Arthur Clavell |
| Balcarres, Lord | Forster, Henry William | Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East) |
| Banner, John S. Harmood- | Gretton, John | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) |
| Barrie, H. T. (Londonderry, N | Guinness, Walter Edward | Thomson, W. Mitchell-(Lanark) |
| Beach, Hn. Michael Hugh Hicks | Hamilton, Marquess of | Valentia, Viscount |
| Bignold, Sir Arthur | MacCaw, William J. MacGeagh | Younger, George |
| Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | M'Arthur, Charles | |
| Coates, E. Feetham (Lewisham) | Moore, William | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr. |
| Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. | Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington | Goulding and Sir Frederick |
| Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel | Banbury. |
| NOES | ||
| Agnew, George William | Duckworth, James | Joyce, Michael |
| Allen, A. Acland (Christchurch) | Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness | Kearley, Hudson E. |
| Allen, Charles P. (Stroud) | Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) | Kelley, George D. |
| Balfour, Robert (Lanark) | Dunne, Major E. Martin (Walsall | Kennedy, Vincent Paul |
| Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight) | Erskine, David C. | Kilbride, Denis |
| Barlow, Percy (Bedford) | Essex, R. W. | Laidlaw, Robert |
| Barnes, G. N. | Everett, R. Lacey | Lamont, Norman |
| Barry, Redmond J.(Tryrone, N.) | Fiennes, Hon. Eustace | Lardner, James Carrige Rushe |
| Beale, W. P. | Foster, Rt. Hon. Sir Walter | Layland-Barratt, Francis |
| Bell, Richard | Fuller, John Michael F. | Lehmann, R. C. |
| Benn, W. (T'w'r Hamlets, S. Geo. | Gibb, James (Harrow) | Lever, A. Levy (Essex, Harwich) |
| Bowerman, C. W. | Gill, A. H. | Levy, Sir Maurice |
| Brigg, John | Gladstone, Rt. Hn Herbert John | Lewis, John Herbert |
| Bright, J. A. | Glen-Coats, Sir T. (Renfrew, W.) | Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David |
| Brodie, H. C. | Glover, Thomas | Lough, Thomas |
| Bryce, J. Annan | Gooch, George Peabody (Bath) | Lupton, Arnold |
| Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn | Grant, Corrie | Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) |
| Burke, E. Haviland | Griffith, Ellis J. | Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. |
| Byles, William Pollard | Gurdon, Rt Hn Sir W. Brampton | MacNeill, John Gordon Swift |
| Carr-Gomm, H. W. | Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis | MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down, S. |
| Causton, Rt Hn. Richard Knight | Hardy, George A. (Suffolk) | McVeigh, Charles (Donegal, E.) |
| Cawley, Sir Frederick | Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r) | M'Crae, George |
| Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R. | Harvey, A. G. C.(Rochdale) | M'Laren, H. D. (Stafford, W.) |
| Clough, William | Harvey, W. E.(Derbyshire, N. E. | M'Micking, Major G. |
| Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) | Haworth, Arthur A. | Marks, G. Croydon (Launceston) |
| Collins, Sir Wm. J. (S. Pancras, W | Hazel, Dr. A. E. | Marnham, F. J. |
| Compton-Rickett, Sir J. | Hazleton, Richard | Massie, J. |
| Cooper, G. J. | Healy, Timothy Michael | Micklem, Nathaniel |
| Corbett, C H (Sussex, E. Grinst'd | Helme, Norval Watson | Middlebrook, William |
| Cotton, Sir H. J. S. | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Mond, A. |
| Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) | Henry, Charles S. | Montagu, E. S. |
| Crean, Eugene | Higham, John Sharp | Mooney, J. J. |
| Crooks, William | Hobart, Sir Robert | Morrell, Philip |
| Crosfield, A. H. | Hope, W. Bateman (Somerset, N | Morton, Alpheus Cleophas |
| Dalziel, James Henry | Horniman, Emslie John | Myer, Horatio |
| Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) | Howard, Hon. Geoffrey | Nicholson, Charles N.(Doncast'r |
| Davies, Timothy (Fulham) | Hudson, Walter | Norman, Sir Henry |
| Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.) | Hyde, Clarendon | Norton, Capt. Cecil William |
| Delany, William | Illingworth, Percy H. | Nugent, Sir Walter Richard |
| Dickinson, W. H. (St. Pancras, N | Jowett, F. W. | Nussey, Thomas Willans |
| O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Runciman, Walter | Wadsworth, J. |
| O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) | Russell, T. W. | Waldron, Laurence Ambrose |
| O'Doherty, Philip | Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland | Walters, John Tudor |
| O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.) | Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) | Ward, W. Dudley (Southampt'n |
| O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N | Scott, A. H. (Ashton under Lyne | Waring, Walter |
| Parker, James (Halifax) | Seaverns, J. H. | Wason, Rt. Hn. E (Clackmannan |
| Partington, Oswald | Seddon, J. | Waterlow, D. S. |
| Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) | Seely, Colonel | Whitbread, Howard |
| Pollard, Dr | Shackleton, David James | White, Sir George (Norfolk) |
| Price, C. E. (Edinb'gh, Central) | Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick B.) | White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire) |
| Priestley, Arthur (Grantham) | Snowden, P. | White, Luke (York, E. R.) |
| Raphael, Herbert H. | Stanger, H. Y. | Whitehead, Rowland |
| Rea, Walter Russell (Searboro' | Stanley, Albert (Staffs, N. W.) | Whitley, John Henry (Halifax) |
| Reddy, M. | Stanley, Hn. A. Lyulph (Chesh.) | Wiles, Thomas |
| Rees, J. D. | Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal) | Wills, Arthur Walters |
| Richards, Thomas (W. Monm'th | Straus, B. S. (Mile End) | Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.) |
| Richards, T. F. (Wolverh'mpt'n | Strauss, E. A. (Abingdon) | Wilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough) |
| Ridsdale, E. A. | Summerbell, T. | Wilson, P. W. (St. Pancras, S.) |
| Roberts, Charles H.(Lincoln) | Taylor, John W. (Durham) | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
| Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) | Tennant, Sir Edward (Salisbury) | |
| Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) | Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr | TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. |
| Robson, Sir William Snowdon | Thompson, J. W. H (Somerset, E.) | Whiteley and Mr., J. A. |
| Roe, Sir Thomas | Tomkinson, James | Pease. |
| Rowlands, J. | Verney, F. W. |
§ Original Question again proposed.
§ And, it being after Eleven of the Clock, and objection being taken to further Proceeding, the Chairman proceeded to interrupt the Business.
§ The Committee divided:—Ayes, 187; Noes, 32. (Division List No. 70.)
| AYES. | ||
| Agnew, George William | Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) | Harmsworth, Cecil B.(Worc'r. |
| Allen, A. Acland (Christchurch) | Crean, Eugene | Harvey, A. G. C.(Rochdale) |
| Allen, Charles P. (Stroud) | Crooks, William | Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire. N. E) |
| Balfour, Robert (Lanark) | Crosfield, A. H. | Haworth, Arthur A. |
| Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight) | Dalziel, James Henry | Hayden, John Patrick |
| Barlow, Percy (Bedford) | Davies, Elis William (Eifion) | Hazel, Dr. A. E. |
| Barnes, G. N. | Davies, Timothy (Fulham) | Hazleton, Richard |
| Barry, Redmond J.(Tyrone, N.) | Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.) | Healy, Timothy Michael |
| Beale, W. P. | Delany, William | Helme, Norval Watson |
| Bell, Richard | Dickinson, W. H.(St. Pancras, N.) | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) |
| Benn, W. (T'w'r Hamlets, S. Geo. | Duckworth, James | Henry, Charles S. |
| Bowerman, C. W. | Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness | Higham, John Sharp |
| Brigg, John | Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) | Hobart, Sir Robert |
| Bright, J. A. | Dunne, Major E. Martin (Walsall | Hope W. Bateman (Somerset, N |
| Brodie, H. C. | Essex, R. W. | Horniman, Emslie John |
| Bryce, J. Annan | Everett, R. Lacey | Howard, Hon. Geoffrey |
| Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn | Fiennes, Hon. Eustace | Hudson, Walter |
| Burke, E. Haviland- | Foster, Rt. Hon. Sir Walter | Hyde, Clarendon |
| Byles, William Pollard | Fuller, John Michael F. | Illingworth, Percy H. |
| Carr-Gomm, H. W. | Gibb, James (Harrow) | Jowett, F. W. |
| Causton, Rt. Hn. Richard Knight | Gill, A. H. | Joyce, Michael |
| Cawley, Sir Frederick | Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herbert John | Kearely, Hudson E. |
| Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R. | Glen-Coats, Sir T. (Renfrew, W.) | Kelley, George D. |
| Clough, William | Glover, Thomas | Kennedy, Vincent Paul |
| Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) | Gooch, George Peabody (Bath) | Kilbride, Denis |
| Collins, Sir Wm. J. (S. Pancras, W | Grant, Corrie | Laidlaw, Robert |
| Compton-Rickett, Sir J. | Griffith, Ellis J. | Lamont, Norman |
| Cooper, G. J. | Gurdon, Rt Hn. Sir W. Brampton | Lardner, James Carrige Rushe |
| Corbett, C H.(Sussex, E. Grinst'd | Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis | Layland-Barratt, Francis |
| Cotton, Sir H. J. S. | Hardy, George A. (Suffolk) | Lehmann, R. C. |
| Lever, A. Levy (Essex, Harwich | O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N | Stanley, Hn. A. Lyulph (Chesh.) |
| Levy, Sir Maurice | Parker, James (Halifax) | Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal) |
| Lewis, John Herbert | Partington, Oswald | Straus, B. S. (Mile End) |
| Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David | Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) | Strauss, E. A. (Abingdon) |
| Lough, Thomas | Pollard, Dr. | Summerbell, T. |
| Lupton, Arnold | Price, C. E.(Edinb'gh, Central) | Taylor, John W. (Durham) |
| Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) | Priestley, Arthur (Grantham) | Tennant, Sir Edward (Salisbury |
| Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. | Raphael, Herbert H. | Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr |
| MacNeill, John Gordon Swift | Rea, Walter Russell (Scarboro' | Thompson, J. W. H. (Somerset, E) |
| MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down, S. | Reddy, M. | Tomkinson, James |
| MacVeigh, Charles (Donegal, E.) | Rees, J. D. | Verney, F. W. |
| M'Crae, George | Richards, Thomas (W. Monm'th | Wadsworth, J. |
| M'Laren, H. D. (Stafford, W.) | Richards, T. F. (Wolverh'mpt'n | Waldron, Laurence Ambrose |
| M'Micking, Major G. | Ridsdale, E. A. | Walters, John Tudor |
| Marks, G. Croydon (Launceston) | Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) | Ward, W. Dudley (Southampt'n |
| Marnham, F. J. | Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) | Waring, Walter |
| Massie, J. | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) | Wason, Rt. Hn. E (Clackmannan) |
| Micklem, Nathaniel | Roche, John (Galway, East) | Waterlow, D. S. |
| Middlebrook, William | Roe, Sir Thomas | Whitbread, Howard |
| Mond, A. | Rowlands, J. | White, Sir George (Norfolk) |
| Montagu, E. S. | Runciman, Walter | White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire) |
| Mooney, J. J. | Russell, T. W. | White, Luke (York, E. R.) |
| Morrell, Philip | Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland) | Whitehead, Rowland |
| Morton, Alpheus Cleophas | Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) | Whitley, John Henry (Halifax) |
| Myer, Horatio | Scott, A. H. (Ashton under Lyne | Wiles, Thomas |
| Nicholson, Charles N. (Doncast'r | Seaverns, J. H. | Wilson, John (Durham, Mid) |
| Norman, Sir Henry | Seddon, J. | Wilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough) |
| Norton, Capt. Cecil William | Seely, Colonel | Wilson, P. W. (St. Pancras, S.) |
| Nugent, Sir Walter Richard | Shackleton, David James | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
| Nussey, Thomas Wilians | Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick B.) | |
| O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Simon, John Allsebrook | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr. |
| O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) | Snowden, P. | Whiteley and Mr. J. A. |
| O'Doherty, Philip | Stanger, H. Y. | Pease. |
| O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.) | Stanley, Albert (Staffs, N. W.) | |
| NOES. | ||
| Acland-Hood, Rt Hn. Sir Alex. F | Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. | Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel |
| Arkwright, John Stanhope | Du Cros, Arthur Philip | Remnant, James Farquharson |
| Ashley, W. W. | Fell, Arthur | Renton, Major Leslie |
| Balcarres, Lord | Forster, Henry William | Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East) |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Goulding, Edward Alfred | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) |
| Banner, John S. Harmood- | Gretton, John | Thomson, W. Mitchell-(Lanark) |
| Barrie, H T. (Londonderry, N.) | Guinness, Walter Edward | Valentia, Viscount |
| Beach, Hn. Michael Hugh Hicks | Hamilton, Marquess of | Younger, George |
| Bignold, Sir Arthur | MacCaw, William J. MacCeagh | |
| Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | M'Arthur, Charles | TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. |
| Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone, E.) | Moore, William | Courthope and Mr. T. L. |
| Coates, E. Feetham (Lewisham) | Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington | Corbett. |
Original Question put accordingly and agreed to.
§ Whereupon Mr. HARCOURT, rose in his place, and claimed to, Move, "That the Question be now put."
§ Question put, "That the Question be now put."
807§ Resolutions to be reported upon Monday next; Committee to sit again upon Monday next.