§ Considered in Committee.
§ (In the Committee.)
§ [Mr. Emmott (Oldham) in the Chair.]
§ Motion made, and Question proposed, " That it is expedient to authorise the payment out of moneys provided by Parliament of the salaries of the Registrar of the Court of Criminal Appeal and his staff appointed under any Act of the present session to establish a Court of Criminal Appeal and to amend the law relating to appeals in criminal cases, and of the expense of taking shorthand notes and of making transcripts in pursuance of such Act."—(Mr. Secretary Gladstone.)
§ SIR F. BANBURYsaid he wished to call the attention of the Committee to the fact that these Resolutions were becoming very common and resulted in great inconvenience to Members, who in consequence of there being nothing upon the Paper had to go to the Clerk at the Table to ascertain what it was they had to discuss. He had also to call attention to the fact that the Committee was again being asked to vote an indefinite sum of money for the payment of the salaries of the registrars of the Court and the staff and the expenses of the shorthand notes, and he wished to know whether some estimate could not be given of the amount it was proposed to take under the Resolution. The registrar no doubt would be an official with arduous duties to perform, but it was not impossible to divine what his salary would be. There were many registrars 256 at the present time who performed duties analogous to those which would be performed by the new registrar under this Bill. All their salaries were known, and therefore it was perfectly easy to divine what his salary would be. Then he presumed he would not require a large permanent staff, and that it would be easy to ascertain what amount of money would be expended for that purpose. He came, therefore, to the only difficult part, that of divining what the expenditure would be upon the shorthand notes. But the shorthand notes need not be a great expense, because the amount naturally depended upon the number of appeals, and the Attorney-General had stated on a previous occasion that he did not think there would be a great number. Therefore he thought the impossibility of arriving at the probable expenditure for shorthand notes need not prevent the hon. and learned Gentleman from estimating the amount required under the Resolution, because even if the expenditure on the shorthand notes was very great it might be dealt with by means of a Supplementary Estimate. He did not wish to move an Amendment until the hon. and learned Attorney-General had had an opportunity of saying what the sum was that he proposed to take. He would therefore wait until the hon. and learned Gentleman had spoken, and if the answer was not satisfactory he would reserve to himself the right to move his Amendment.
§ SIR JOHN WALTONsaid that owing to the alteration of the rules it was almost impossible to put a Resolution of this sort on the Paper. But there were indications in the Bill which gave any hon. Member who desired to oppose the Resolution the information they desired. The hon. Baronet wished to know whether the Government was in a position to place before the Committee an estimate of the cost, first, of the registrar and his staff, and, secondly, in connection with the taking of the shorthand notes at an ordinary criminal trial. The difficulty of arriving at any figure arose from the fact that it was impossible to foresee the number of criminal appeals which would come on for hearing. The expenditure would vary with the number of appeals. As to the. registrar's salary, it was 257 provided that the first registrar should be the senior Master of the Crown Office, who was already in receipt of a substantial salary, and it did not follow that there would be any increase in that salary, though it was intended to increase the official staff, which would be adapted to the new demand. As to the expense of shorthand notes, it would be necessary to attach to every assize and quarter sessions an official shorthand writer; but the expense of having a note taken of every case that was tried would not be very great. Then there were the arrangements with reference to shorthand notes, and the charge would probably be about a guinea a case for taking the notes, but it was impossible to say what would be the cost until they saw how many appeals there were, likely to be; and then there was the transcript, the cost of which, of course, they could not state, as they had no knowledge of the number of cases which would require to be the subject of a shorthand note. The matter must therefore remain in abeyance until they had some experience and some indication of the number of cases.
§ MR. AKERS-DOUGLAS (Kent, St. Augustine's)thought the Committee ought not to be asked to pass the Resolution without their being in possession of a little more information as to the probable amount required, and also as to the terms of the Resolution. It was impossible for Members to move Amendments to a Resolution of this sort even if they desired to do so. The notice which appeared on the Paper was a very bald one. It was impossible for any hon. Member to make any alteration or addition to it. He must express his regret that the hon. and learned Gentleman had not been able to give them more information as to what the probable estimate might be. He had presented to them a bank cheque, which he asked them to sign without the least indication of what the cost was going to be. He agreed that it was impossible for the hon. and learned Gentleman to make an exact estimate when he did not know the number of appeals that were going to be raised under the Bill. The hon. and learned Gentleman was somewhat optimistic when he said that there would be very 258 few appeals. On the Second Reading ho had ventured rather to differ from him, because at all events at first, he thought, the number of appeals would be great. Yet the House was asked to sign this blank cheque, and to wait until experience had shown what the work under the Bill was going to cost, before they passed any further criticisms. Some allusion had been made by his hon. friend as to what occurred on the Aliens Bill, of which he himself had charge in the last Parliament. He was then in a similar position to that which the hon. and learned Gentleman occupied now. When the Aliens Bill was before the House he had asked that the money Resolution should be passed, but he could not give any details as to the actual cost under the Bill, nor could he give the actual details. The very Members who now sat on the front bench opposite said it was abominable that he should ask them to give him a blank cheque, and they insisted that he should afford them elaborate details of what the expenditure would be. He had pointed out, in language similar to that used by the hon. and learned Gentleman opposite, that it was impossible to say what the exact cost would be, as he did not know what expenditure was likely to be necessary, nor the number of aliens who would come into this country, but, notwithstanding that, hon. Members on the front bench opposite pressed him for the information. The hon. Member for Halifax and the present Postmaster-General were among them; and the Secretary to the Treasury was very caustic in his remarks about his asking the House to give him a blank cheque. He was asked further whether he had approached the Treasury in the first instance and given them a detailed account of what he was likely to spend. He did not know whether the Attorney-General had been to the Treasury and given them an estimate of the expenditure likely to be incurred, and whether they had sanctioned his proposal. The right hon. Gentleman the Member for Wolverhampton, on the occasion to which he referred, asked him whether the Home Office had submitted to the Treasury an estimate of the probable cost of putting the Aliens Bill into operation, whether the Treasury had not 259 discussed the estimate, and whether communications in black and white had passed between the two offices before assent was given. He had no doubt that the right hon. Gentleman would feel the same anxiety now that he felt upon that occasion. He might approve of the one Bill and disapprove of the other, but at the same time the principle was the same, and they ought to have the details on this occasion. What was sauce for the goose was sauce for the gander, and the hon. and learned Gentleman could not be surprised if some of his hon. friends raised a protest on this Bill similar to that which was raised on the Aliens Bill. He thought, however, that the hon. and learned Gentleman would agree that hon. Gentlemen on the Opposition side of the House had no object in opposing this Bill other than to get the information which they desired. He was one of those who was sitting with the hon. and learned Gentleman on the Grand Committee upstairs, and at the present moment they were waterlogged and could not get on with the Bill until the Money Resolution had been passed. Had it not been for the speech of his hon. friend behind him with regard to the difference of attitude adopted by hon. Members opposite compared with that which they took on the former occasion to which he referred he would not have intervened, but he would not now further delay the progress of the Bill.
§ SIR F. BANBURYsaid that in the absence of any explanation he would move to add at the end of the Motion the words, "such expenditure not to exceed £6,000 per annum." He considered that at any rate under this Bill it would be very easy to form some estimate of the cost. The Attorney-General could not form an estimate of the cost of the shorthand notes, but the charge was a guinea a case, and as they knew the number of assizes it would not be difficult to form some idea of the probable cost of that item. The hon. and learned Gentleman had said that there would be extra remuneration and salaries in the Registrar's office, but he had not given an estimate of what was likely to be the cost on the data which he possessed. He moved his Amendment, therefore, because he thought it was in 260 the interest of the country and of the House that they should know what amount they were voting, and that they should not always be giving right hon. Gentlemen opposite blank cheques. He claimed support of his Amendment from hon. and right hon. Gentlemen opposite because of their action on a precisely similar point in connection with the Aliens Bill.
§ Amendment proposed—
§ "At the end, to add the words, 'such expenditure not to exceed £6,000 per annum.' "—(Sir F. Banbury.)
§ Question proposed, "That those words be there added."
§ MR. T. L. CORBETTsaid he rose heartily to support the Amendment, and he thought that they were indebted once more to his hon. friend for the vigilance he had displayed to ensure economy in the public service. Economy had always been advocated by hon. Gentlemen opposite, but it was now received by them almost with derision, He did not suppose that one Member out of ten who was shouting a little while ago ''divide'' knew anything about the meaning of the Resolution which had been sprung upon the. House. Until it was extracted by his hon. friend not one syllable of information had been vouchsafed to the House about the Resolution. The Attorney-General had refused to give even an approximate estimate of the salaries of the new officials. In the circumstances, therefore, he thought that £6,000 was a most ample endowment of the Registrar and his staff. The Amendment was very moderate, and he only wished that it had been more stringent. How could the House of Commons vote money without any kind of inquiry? Those on his side of the House used to be charged with extravagance, but now they were the only Party who kept an eye on the public purse, and it was the Party opposite, while the Labour Members remained silent, who squandered public money without giving the information for which they were asked. In the circumstances he thought that the Labour Party must really support the Amendment.
§ LORD R. CECILthought that the whole of this Committee stage on 261 the Resolution could well be abolished as part of the procedure of the House. The object of the procedure was to give the House some control over the expenditure to be incurred, but in the hands of the present Government it was really useless. The Resolution asked the House to sanction some expenditure, but not the slightest estimate of the amount was given and how they were to form any judgment at all as to what was or was not to be sanctioned passed his comprehension altogether. The salaries of the staff might be to some extent known, though their total amount must depend on the amount of work to be done under the Bill. As to the shorthand writers, it was of course easy to ascertain the number of assizes and of quarter sessions and to estimate the number of fees which would have to be paid to them, but he thought that it would be a very much larger item than was anticipated by the hon. Member for the City of London. The cost of transcribing would depend on the number of appeals brought. The Attorney-General had said that he could not afford any idea at all of what the number of appeals would be. That seemed to him to be a very serious statement to make to the House of Commons, because the whole practicability of the Bill depended on the probable number of appeals that would be brought under it. The Bill said that an appeal should be allowed in every case, but it did not make any addition to the judicial strength to deal with them. If the Bill was to be practicable at all there must be some kind of estimate of the number of appeals. He could not believe but that the Attorney-General or somebody had made some estimate of the amount likely to be spent under the Bill. He did not say that it should be an exact estimate, but they ought to be able to give them some suggestion of the probable amount. If the Government came down to ask the House to vote money without stating the amount or giving any details, then this procedure, which was supposed to give them control, was reduced to a mere farce, and they had far better abolish it altogether. He hoped that, even now, the Home Secretary or the Attorney-General would give some 262 information which would enable the Committee to form some kind of judgment of the amount likely to be necessary. As to the Amendment, he was afraid that he could not support it. He could not agree to limiting the amount unless they had some sort of assurance from the Executive Government that it was an amount which would make the Bill effective.
CAPTAIN CRAIGsaid that there were other Bills on which a similar question might arise when the money Resolutions were proposed, and the House should certainly require information of a more or less definite nature of the amount needed. In regard to the present Resolution, he could see nothing in the Bill to limit the expenditure which might be incurred under its provisions. His recollection was that Friday after Friday they had been asked to pass similar Resolutions, and he submitted that they were entitled to adequate information before voting the money. If his hon. friend had not moved to limit the amount to £6,000, he had himself intended to fix the sum at £8,000, because he thought that the hon. Baronet had limited the amount unnecessarily. It would be very undesirable if, towards the end of the year perhaps, there were cases in which it was right that there should be appeals and it was found that the £6,000 allowed had been all absorbed, and that the Bill was crippled because there were no further funds. He was perfectly certain that that was not the intention of the hon. Baronet. The House and the country should know what the Bill was going to cost.
§ SIR JOHN WALTONsaid he had pointed out that the cost of shorthand writing was only a small item, and that the amount of the salaries and the increase of the Registrar's staff was dependent upon the number of appeals. It was impossible to say at the present what would be the number of appeals, and therefore they could not make any reasonable forecast of the expenditure which would be incurred. The Amendment, by limiting the expenses under the Bill, would have the effect of impairing its operation
§ Question put.
264§ The Committee divided:—Ayes, 32; Noes, 199. (Division List No. 253.)
265| AYES. | ||
| Acland-Hood,RtHn.SirAlex.F. | Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Meysey-Thompson, E. C |
| Anstruther-Gray, Major | Craig,CaptainJames(Down,E.) | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) |
| Ashley, W. W. | Dalrymple, Viscount | Turnour, Viscount |
| Aubrey-Fletcher,Rt.Hon.SirH. | Dixon-Hartland,SirFred Dixon | Warde, Col. C. E. (Kont, Mid.) |
| Beach, Hn. Michael HughHicks | Faber, George Denison (York) | Willoughby de Eresby, Lord |
| Bignold, Sir Arthur | Forster, Henry William | Wilson,A.Stanley(York, E.R.) |
| Boyle, Sir Edward | Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West) | Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm |
| Bull, Sir William James | Gretton, John | Younger, George |
| Carlile, E. Hildred | Hamilton, Marquess of | |
| Cave, George | Helmsley, Viscount | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir |
| Cavendish.Rt.Hon.Victor C.W. | Kimber, Sir Henry | Frederick Banbury and Mr. |
| Cecil, Lord John P. Joicey- | Lonsdale, John Brownlee | Rawlinson. |
| NOES. | ||
| Acland, Francis Dyke | Dickinson, W.H.(St,Pancras,N. | Lardner, James Carrige Rushe |
| Agnew, George William | Dobson, Thomas W. | Layland-Barratt, Francis |
| Alden, Percy | Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) | Lea,HughCccil(St,Pancras,E.) |
| Allen, A.Acland(Christchurch) | Dunne,MajorE. Martin (Walsall | Leese,SirJosephF. (Accrington) |
| Ambrose, Robert | Edwards, Frank (Radnor) | Lever,A. Levy(Essex,Harwich) |
| Ashton, Thomas Gair | Elibank, Master of | Levy, Maurice |
| Astbury, John Meir | Esslemont, George Birnie | Lloyd-George. Rt. Hon. David |
| Atherley-Jones, L. | Evans, Samuel T. | Lockwood.Rt.Hn.Lt.-Col.A.R. |
| Baring,Godfrey(Isle of Wight) | Fenwick, Charles | Lundon, W. |
| Barker, John | Ffrench, Peter | Luttrell, Hugh Fownes |
| Barlow,JohnEmmott(Somerset | Field, William | Macdonald, j. R. (Leicester) |
| Barlow, Percy (Bedford) | Flavin, Michael Joseph | Mackarness, Frederic C. |
| Beale, W. P. | Flynn, James Christopher | Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. ' |
| Beck, A. Cecil | Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry | Mac Veigh,Charles(Donegal, E.) |
| Bell, Richard | Fuller, John Michael F. | M'Callum. John M. |
| Belloc, Hilaire Joseph Peter R. | Gill, A. H. | M'Crae, George |
| Bennett, E. N. | Gladstone,Rt.Hn.Herbert John | M'Killop, W. |
| Berridge, T. H. D. | Glendinning, R. G. | Maddison. Frederick |
| Bertram, Julius | Glover, Thomas | Marnham. F. J. |
| Bethell, T. R. (Essex, Maldon) | Goddard, Daniel Ford | Meagher, Michael |
| Billson, Alfred | Gooch, George Peabody | Menzies, Walter |
| Boland, John | Gulland, John W. | Micklem, Nathaniel |
| Boulton, A. C. F. | Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | Molteno, Percy Alport |
| Bowerman, C. W. | Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis | Montagu, E. S. |
| Bright, J. A. | Harmsworth,R.L.(Caithn'ss-sh | Mooney, J. J. |
| Brunner,J.F.L.(Lanes., Leigh) | Hart-Davies, T. | Morgan, G. Hay (Cornwall) |
| Buckmaster, Stanley O. | Ha worth, Arthur A. | Morgan, J. Lloyd(Carmarthen) |
| Burns, Rt. Hon. John | Hayden, John Patrick | Morse, L. L. |
| Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas | Hedges, A. Paget | Morton, Alpheus Cleophas |
| Buxton, Rt.Hn. SydneyCharles | Hemmerde, Edward George | Murphy, John |
| Byles, William Pollard | Henderson, J.M. (Aberdeen, W.) | Myer, Horatio |
| Cairns, Thomas | Herbert, T. Arnold (Wycombe) | Napier, T. B. |
| Cameron, Robert | Higham, John Sharp | Nicholson,CharlesN.(Doncast'r |
| Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. | Hobart, Sir Robert | Nolan, Joseph |
| Carr-Gomm, H. W. | Hodge, John | Norton, Capt. Cecil William |
| Causton, Rt. Hn. RichardKnight | Hogan, Michael | Nugent, Sir Walter Richard |
| Cheetham, John Frederick | Horniman, Emslie John | Nussey, Thomas Willans |
| Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R. | Howard, Hon. Geoffrey | O'Brien,Kendal(Tipperary,Mid |
| Cleland, J. W. | Hudson, Walter | O'Grady, J. |
| Clynes, J. R. | Hyde, Clarendon | O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) |
| Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) | Jackson, R. S. | O'Shaughnessy. P. j. |
| Collins,SirWm.J.(S.Pancras,W. | Jacoby, Sir James Alfred | Pearson, W.H.'M.(Suffolk,Eye) |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | Jones,SirD.Brynmor(Swansea) | Philipps,Col.Ivor(S'thampton) |
| Cooper, G. J. | Jones,William (Carnarvonshire | Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke) |
| Corbett,CH(Sussex,E.Grinst'd. | Joyce, Michael | Price, C. E. (Edinb'gh,Central) |
| Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Kearley, Hudson E. | Priestley, W.E.B.(Bradford, E.) |
| Cox, Harold | Kekewich, Sir George | Radford, G. H. |
| Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) | Kelley, George D. | Redmond, JohnE.(Waterford) |
| Cremer, William Randal | Kennedy, Vincent Paul | Redmond, William (Clare) |
| Crombie, John William | Laidlaw, Robert | Richards, T. F. (Wolverh'mpa' |
| Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.) | Lambert, George | Ridsdale, E. A. |
| Dewar, Arthur (Edinburgh, S.) | Lamont, Norman | Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) |
| Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) | Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal) | White, Luke (York, E.R.) |
| Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside) | Strachey, Sir Edward | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
| Roe, Sir Thomas | Strauss, E. A. (Abingdon) | Whitley, John Henry (Halifax) |
| Runciman, Walter | Stuart, James (Sunderland) | Whittaker, Sir Thomas Palmer |
| Rutherford, V. H. (Brentford) | Sutherland, J. E. | Wilkie, Alexander |
| Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland) | Torrance, Sir A. M. | Williams, Llewelyn(Carmarth'n |
| Schwann,SirC. E. (Manchester) | Toulmin, George | Williamson, A. |
| Sears, J. E. | Vivian, Henry | Wilson,Hon.C.H.W.(Hull,W.) |
| Seaverns, J. H. | Walker, H. De R. (Leicester) | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
| Shackleton, David James | Walton, Sir John L. (Leeds, S.) | Winfrey, R. |
| Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick B.) | Ward,John (Stoke upon Trent | Young, Samuel |
| Sherwell, Arthur James | Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan | |
| Sinclair, Rt. Hon. John | Wason,John Cathcart (Orkney) | Tellers for the Noes—Mr.Whiteley and Mr. Herbert Lewis. |
| Soares, Ernest J. | Waterlow, D. S. | |
| Spicer, Sir Albert | Watt, Henry A. | |
| Steadman, W. C. | White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire) |
§ Main Question again proposed.
§ And, it being after Five of the clock, and objection being taken to Further Proceeding, the Chairman proceeded to interrupt the Business.
§ Whereupon Mr. Attorney-General rose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put."
§ SIR F. BANBURYsaid he had objected, it being after the time for opposed
§ business before the hon. and learned Gentleman had moved.
THE CHAIRMANsaid the hon. Baronet had objected. On the objection being made he (the Chairman) rose to interuppt the business. On his rising the Attorney-General moved the closure, which was quite in order.
§ Question put, "That the question be now put."
§ The Committee divided:—Ayes, 193; Noes, 29. (Division List No. 254)
267| AYES. | ||
| Acland, Francis Dyke | Cleland, J. W. | Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis |
| Agnew, George William | Clynes, J. R. | Harmsworth, R.L. (Caithn'ss-h |
| Alden, Percy | Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) | Hart-Davies, T. |
| Allen, A. Acland (Christchurch) | Collins,Sir Wm. J. (S. Pancras, W. | Haworth, Arthur A. |
| Ambrose, Robert | Condon, Thomas Joseph | Hayden, John Patrick |
| Astbury, John Meir | Cooper, G. J. | Hedges, A. Paget |
| Atherley Jones, L. | Corbett,CH(Sussex,E. Grinst'd | Hemmerde, Edward George |
| Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight) | Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Herbert, T. Arnold (Wycombe) |
| Barker, John | Cox, Harold | Higham, John Sharp |
| Barlow,JohnEmmott(Somers't | Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) | Hobart, Sir Robert |
| Barlow, Percy (Bedford) | Cremer, William Randal | Hodge, John |
| Beale, W. P. | Crombie, John William | Hogan, Michael |
| Beck, A. Cecil | Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.) | Horniman, Emslie John |
| Bell, Richard | Dewar, Arthur (Edinburgh, S.) | Howard, Hon. Geoffrey |
| Belloc, Hiliare Joseph Peter R. | Dickinson,W.H (St. Pancras,N. | Hudson, Walter |
| Bennett, E. N. | Dobson, Thomas W. | Jackson, R. S. |
| Bertram, Julius | Dunn, A. Edward (Cambone) | Jacoby, Sir James Alfred |
| Bethell, T. R. (Essex, Maldon) | Edwards, Frank (Radnor) | Jones,Sir D.Brynmor(Swansea) |
| Billson, Alfred | Elibank, Master of | Jones,William (Carnarvonshire |
| Boland, John | Evans, Samuel T. | Joyce, Michael |
| Boulton, A. C. F. | Everett, R. Lacey | Kearley, Hudson E. |
| Bowerman, C. W. | Farrell, James Patrick | Kekewick, Sir George |
| Bright, J. A. | Fenwick, Charles | Kelley, George D. |
| Brunner,J.F.L. (Lanes., Leigh) | Ffrench, Peter | Kennedy, Vincent Paul |
| Buckmaster, Stanley O. | Field, William | Laidlaw, Robert |
| Burns, Rt. Hon. John | Flavin, Michael Joseph | Lambert, George |
| Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas | Flynn, James Christopher | Lamont, Norman |
| Buxton, Rt. Hn. Sydney Chas. | Fuller, John Michael F. | Lardner, James Carrige Rushe |
| Byles, William Pollard | Gill, A. H. | Layland-Barratt, Francis |
| Cairns, Thomas | Gladstone,Rt.Hn.Herbert John | Lea,Hugh Cecil (St.Pancras,E.) |
| Cameron, Robert | Glendinning, R. G. | Leese,Sir JosephF.(Accrington) |
| Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. | Glover, Thomas | Lever, A.Levy(Essex,Harwich) |
| Carr-Gomm, H. W. | Goddard, Daniel Ford | Levy, Maurice |
| Causton,Rt. Hn. RichardKnight | Gooch, George Peabody | Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David |
| Cheetham, John Frederick | Gulland, John W. | Lundon, W. |
| Cherry, Rt, Hon. R. R. | Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | Luttrell, Hugh Fownes |
| Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. | Strauss, E. A. (Abingdon) |
| Mackarness, Frederic C. | Pearson,W.H.M.(Suffolk, Eye) | Stuart, James (Sunderland) |
| Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. | Philipps,Col.Ivor (S'thampton) | Sutherland, J. E. |
| M'Callum, John M. | Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke) | Torrance, Sir A. M. |
| M'Crae, George | Price, C. E. (Edinb'gh, Central) | Toulmin, George |
| M'Killop, W. | Priestley, W.E.B.(Bradford,E.) | Vivian, Henry |
| Maddison, Frederick | Radford, G. H. | Walker, H. De R. (Leicester) |
| Meagher, Michael | Redmond, John E. (Waterford) | Walton, Sir John L. (Leeds, S.) |
| Menzies, Walter | Redmond, William (Clare) | Ward, John (Stoke upon Trent |
| Micklem, Nathaniel | Richards, T. F. (Wolverh'mp'n | Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan) |
| Molteno, Percy Alport | Ridsdale, E. A. | Wason,John Cathcart(Orkney) |
| Montagu, E. S. | Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) | Waterlow, D. S. |
| Mooney, J. J. | Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) | Watt, Henry A. |
| Morgan, G. Hay (Cornwall) | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) | White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire) |
| Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) | Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside) | White, Luke (York, E.R.) |
| Morse, L. L. | Roe, Sir Thomas | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
| Morton, Alpheus Cleophas | Runciman, Walter | Whitley, John Henry (Halifax |
| Murnaghan, George | Rutherford, V. H. (Brentford) | Whittaker, Sir Thomas Palmer |
| Murphy, John | Samuel,Herbert L.(Cleveland) | Wilkie, Alexander |
| Myer, Horatio | Schwann,Sir C.E.(Manchester) | Williams,Llewelyn (C'rmarth'n |
| Napier, T. B. | Seaverns, J. H. | Williamson, A. |
| Nicholson,CharlesN.(Doncast'r | Shackleton, David James | Wilson,Hn. C.H.W.(Hull, W.) |
| Nolan, Joseph | Shaw, Rt. Hn. T. (Hawick B.) | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
| Norton, Capt. Cecil William | Sherwell, Arthur James | Winfrey, R. |
| Nugent, Sir Walter Richard | Sinclair, Rt. Hon. John | Young, Samuel |
| Nussey, Thomas Willans | Soares, Ernest J. | |
| O'Brien,Kendal(Tipperary,Mid | Spicer, Sir Albert | Tellers for the Ayes—Mr Whiteley and Mr. Herbert Lewis. |
| O'Doherty, Philip | Steadman, W. C. | |
| O'Grady, J. | Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal) | |
| O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) | Strachey, Sir Edward | |
| NOES. | ||
| Acland-Hood,Rt.Hn.SirAlexA. | Dahrymple, Viscount | Meysey-Thompson, E. C. |
| Anstruther-Gray, Major | Dixon-Hartland,SirFred Dixon | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) |
| Ashley, W. W. | Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- | Tumour, Viscount |
| Aubrey-Fletcher,Rt.Hon.SirH. | Faber, George Denison (York) | Warde, Col. C. E. (Kent, Mid.) |
| Beach,Hn.Michael Hugh Hicks | Forster, Henry William | Wilson,A.Stanley (York, E.R.) |
| Bull, Sir William James | Gretton, John | Wolff, Gustav, Wilhelm |
| Cave, George | Hamilton, Marquess of | Younger, George |
| Cavendish, Rt.Hn.Victor C. W. | Helmsley, Viscount | |
| Cecil, Lord John P. Joicey. | Kimber, Sir Henry | Tellers fob the Noes—Sir Frederick Banbury and Mr. Rawlinson. |
| Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Lockwood,Rt.Hn. Lt.-Col.A.R. | |
| Craik, Sir Henry | Lonsdale, John Brownlee |
Main Question put accordingly, and agreed to.
§ Resolved, That it is expedient to authorise the payment out of moneys provided by Parliament of the salaries of the Registrar of the Court of Criminal Appeal and his staff appointed under any Act of the present session to establish a Court of Criminal Appeal and to amend the Law relating to Appeals in Criminal Cases, and of the expense of taking shorthand notes and of making transcripts in pursuance of such Act.
§ Resolution to be reported upon Monday next.