LAND TENURE BILL.

HC Deb 29 June 1906 vol 159 cc1257-332

As amended (by the Standing Committee), further considered.

SIR FREDERICK BANBURY (City of London)

said that in his speech on the previous Friday he had pointed out that the principal defect of Sub-section 1 of Clause 1 was that it left out a line which appeared in a similar section of the Agricultural Holdings Act of 1900, which in his opinion constituted a safeguard, namely "of the inherent capabilities of the soil." He admitted on that occasion that there were many hon. Members on the Opposition side of the House who believed their object would be obtained by leaving out those words "the inherent capabilities of the soil." The reason they objected to the words being inserted was that should there be any dispute it would be very difficult to ascertain what improvements were due to the inherent capabilities of the soil, and what to some other reason. It was, he admitted, difficult to find out what had been produced by the inherent capabilities of the soil, and what had been produced by better work on the part of the farmer, and he agreed that nothing that could give facilities to the members of the legal profession for earning money should be put into an Act of Parliament. But the thing must tell the other way, and the effect of leaving these words out would be what very frequently happened now, namely, that a farmer would take a farm in first-class condition, hold it for three years, take all he could out of it and go away. In one particular case in which he was interested the man went bankrupt and they ascertained that he never had any capital, and he had been living in that way for the previous ten years. In regard to these words the landlords were willing to come to a compromise and not engage in litigation, because they knew it was difficult to say what was due to the inherent capabilities of the soil, and the same would apply to the farmer who must know perfectly well that though the improvements were the result of his work and not due to the inherent capabilities of the soil there would be difficulty in proving it, and there would be a risk of litigation. He proposed to add at the end of the sub-section words which would re-insert the words of the Act of 1900—the words "inherent capabilities of the soil." If this sub-section was retained that would insure the purpose he had in view, and he was quite content to achieve his object in that way. Meanwhile he moved the omission of the sub-section.

MR. GARDNER (Berkshire, Wokingham)

expressed the opinion that this was a most unfair clause so far as the landlord was concerned. It was quite possible for a farmer who knew the land to estimate what the inherent capabilities of the soil were. It was not right that anyone should be allowed to claim a right to the inherent capabilities of the soil, and if they were to be transferred at all they should be transferred for the benefit of the general public. Supposing a farm was let to be cultivated in the manner in which it had been cultivated for generations. As time went on, the tenant might find that the land would be of greater value if cultivated in a different manner. In such a case surely a tenant ought to have the right to cultivate the land in the best way. He thought these words ought not to be left out, they were easily definable and easily adjusted between a man and his tenant.

Amendment proposed—

"In page 1, line 10, to leave out Subsection (1) of Clause 1."—(Sir Frederick Banbury.)

Question proposed, "That the words proposed to be left out, to the end of page 1, line 17, stand part of the Bill."

SIR EDWARD STRACHEY (Somersetshire, S.)

said he could not quite understand why the hon. Baronet had moved to leave out this sub-section. With regard to the question of the inherent capabilities of the soil he thought the discussion now taking place was a belated one when they considered what took place during the passage of the Agricultural Holdings Act of 1900. Sir Charles Welby then moved an Amendment with a similar object, but the Government of the day, and the then President of the Board of Agriculture, the right hon. Member for South Dublin, absolutely refused to consider that injustice would be done to the landlord, or to accept the Amendment, and he retained the Bill in the shape it was introduced in the House of Commons. It was quite true that in another place these words were put in, but, in the opinion of the then Government, they were absolutely unnecessary and uncalled for. That was not only the opinion of the Government, but also of Captain Pretyman who farmed some thousands of acres himself, his view being that they would not affect compensation one way or the other, that the putting in of the words "the inherent capabilities of the soil" would only confuse the minds of the valuers, and that, speaking from a practical standpoint, the words should be omitted. Although not a great landlord like Captain Pretyman, he himself had had some practical experience in these matters, and he agreed with every word uttered by Captain Pretyman in 1900 on this question. Valuers held the same view, and the Central Chamber of Agriculture had emphatically declared against the words "inherent capabilities of the soil" being again introduced. He hoped the Amendment would not be pressed, because it was undesirable to re-argue a matter which had been definitely decided in 1900.

MR. COCHRANE (Ayrshire, N.)

said it appeared to him that the hon. Baronet had found himself in a strange and difficult; position. He now urged that to insert these words would confuse the minds of the valuers, but the hon. Baronet was somewhat stultifying some previous Acts of his own, because he was one of the promoters of the Scottish Agricultural Holdings Bill which had the whole weight of the late Board of Agriculture behind it.

SIR EDWARD STRACHEY

said that was purely a Consolidation Bill, not amending but simply codifying existing law.

MR. COCHRANE

said that was an extraordinarily specious argument, but it would not do. The fact of the matter was the hon. Gentleman was in a difficulty. Another name on the back of the Scottish Agricultural Holdings Bill was that of the hon. and learned Attorney-General for Scotland, and if he had for a moment thought that these words bore the interpretation placed upon them by the hon. Gentleman who sat next him, he would not have permitted them to come into any Bill having his name on the back. The real fact was that the hon. Gentleman had been rushed by the private Members behind the Bill. Without consulting the Board of Agriculture they had introduced a hotch-potch Bill dealing with the Game and other laws affecting the agricultural interests, and upsetting the law which had existed for many years, without adequate consideration. The hon. Gentleman had either to bring his own knowledge to bear against that of the promoters of the Bill and to state what was his mind and what was that of the Department he represented, or he had to make some specious excuse in order to accept the point of view of the promoters. He thought his hon. friend, in moving the rejection of this sub-section was perfectly logical and in order. There were only two logical courses to take, either to leave out the whole of the subsection or so to amend it as to bear out the law which they intended to pass. He thought the best solution of the difficulty was to accept the suggestion of his hon. friend and to leave it out.

THE SOLICITOR-GENERAL FOR SCOTLAND (Mr. URE,) Linlithgowshire

said he did not think that anyone in the House who had the slightest familiarity with the question of the rights of the tenants would support this Amendment. To Scotsmen, at all events, it was sufficient to say in the words of the most eminent authority that they had on this branch of the law— No man can claim for an improvement effected by him what is due to the inherent capabilities of the soil, and in practice the Court has never been asked to deal with such a preposterous claim. Although that authority might not appeal with great force to English Members, he thought it would certainly carry some weight. He thought the Amendment would afford the landlord no protection whatever and might have the effect of creating some injustice.

SIR E. CARSON (Dublin University)

said he rose not for the purpose of urging the acceptance of this Amendment, but merely for the purpose of calling attention to the drafting of the sub-section. He had had some experience of trying to make out the meaning of sub-sections of Acts of Parliament from time to time, and this was one of the most extraordinary he had ever read. It spoke of "the first schedule to this Act," but it appeared on examination that it did not mean this Act, but another Act, the Agricultural Holdings Act of 1883. Then, too, he found that the first section of the Act of 1883 was repealed by the first section of the Act of 1900, and now the first section of the Act of 1900 was being repealed by this Bill, and when the first section of the Act of 1900 which repealed the first section of the Act of 1883 was repealed by the first section of this Bill, then he wanted to know what became of the first section of the Act of 1883. He would put another conundrum. How were the improvements to be dealt with which were made before this Act, but not before the principal Act of 1883? They repealed this section, but at the same time said it was to be subject to the Agricultural Holdings Act of 1883 which was called the principal Act. He found in the Act of 1883 very elaborate provisions as to what was to be the commencement of the Act in relation to improvements of ten years before. Did the present Bill deal only with improvements made after it should come into operation or with improvements made before this Act and not before the Act of 1883. These questions did not go to the merit of the Bill but merely to its drafting. He hoped the Government would put their draftsman on the Bill for a few hours, so that the next time it came before the House of Commons it might be in so simple a form that he who ran might read.

THE SOLICITOR-GENERAL (Sir W. ROBSON,) South Shields

said the right hon. Gentleman had succeeded in putting very humorously what were not uncommon difficulties in all legislation by reference. He thought the clause was open to some of the objections to legislation by reference, but that it was on the whole simpler than most cases where this-course was adopted.

SIR E. CARSON

No wonder we grow rich!

SIR W. ROBSON

said what the clause did was to repeal and re-enact and that was precisely the method which was adopted by those who objected to legislation by reference. That was what this clause did, and thus it gave rise to the apparent absurdities to which the right hon. Gentleman had referred. The Act of 1900 was not repealed entirely. What was desired was to make an alteration in sub-section (1) of that Act, and therefore, sub-section (1) was repealed and another sub-section substituted for it in this Bill. This was a measure in which in, future would be read the Act of 1900 with the Amendments in this Bill. The references to the Act of 1883 in the section were perfectly proper. The section said that the provisions of this Bill were to be subject not merely to the Act of 1900 but to the principal Act of 1883. He did not think the Government draftsman; would be able to make a better job of the Bill unless the expedient of a consolidating and codifying Act were adopted. That course, however, could not be pursued in every case if time were to be economised.

COLONEL LOCKWOOD (Essex, Epping)

said he had no wish to lose himself in the mazes of the law. So far as he knew, the difficulties alluded to by the Solicitor-General and other legal Members might not be apparent to laymen such as himself. But the laymen, who were generally the owners of the property in such cases as they were now discussing, if they were not aware of the difficulties, were painfully aware of the injustice inflicted by this Bill. The Solicitor-General for Scotland had made perfectly plain the difficulty into which they had been landed by making this Bill apply to both England and Scotland. He did not wish to argue the question of the inherent capabilities of the soil. He would take the case of land near a large town, which for years had been farmed by the tenant under the ordinary system of rotation of crops. As the town increased in size the tenant discovered that a fortune might be made by growing vegetables or fruit. In his opinion it was most unfair that the whole characteristics of the farm should be altered without the consent of the landlord. The landlord knew what the soil was capable of producing, and he might be in a position to advise his tenant that he would be wrong if he tried to establish a market garden upon certain land. If the tenant went on with his plan against the advice of his landlord, was it right in case he did not succeed that he should charge his landlord with a large amount as compensation when the whole of the money had been laid out against the landlord's advice and knowledge? Such a proceeding would be grossly unfair, because the owner or his agent was much better acquainted with the capabilities of the soil than the tenant. He should therefore support the Amendment.

MR. WALTER LONG (Dublin, S.)

said he listened with astonishment to the Solicitor-General's defence of the draftsmanship of the Bill. The hon. and learned Gentleman unfortunately would not be available to assist the unlucky agriculturists all over the country who if this Bill passed would be called on to try and understand its terms. Although he was familiar with the Acts of 1883 and 1900 it took him some time to understand what was the intention of the promoters of the present Bill. The whole object of the sub-section was to get rid of the words, "the inherent capability of the soil," and his hon. friends desired that they should be retained. What the promoters of the Bill had lost sight of was that in 1900 the opinion he held, and which he gave expression to, as to the accurate description of the effect of these words was not shared by a great many other Members, who resisted his suggestion and held that the excision of these words from the Statute would have a serious effect. The result was that the words were inserted in another place, and the Amendment accepted when the Bill came back to this House. During the six years that had passed there had not been one single instance where the retention of the words had caused either doubt or difficulty, and he submitted that the experience of those six years justified the action taken by his hon. friends. Their view was shared by many practical agriculturists in and out of the House. His view in 1900 was what it was now, namely, that whether these words were inserted or not no practical valuer who was called upon to deal with valuations of agricultural improvements effected by tenants could by any possibility exclude from his purview what was due for the cultivation of the soil according to the agreement of the tenant. Two distinct operations were performed by the tenant. He took his farm under an agreement which imposed certain obligations, one of which was to pursue a system of good husbandry or a system in accordance with the custom of the district, and in return the tenant got the land for a particular rent. It was the custom of the tenant to spend a certain amount of money upon improvements, but the mere farming of the land was a part of the condition upon which the tenant farmer received the farm at a particular rent. If the tenant did not enter into that undertaking the question of rent would at once have been materially altered. If the tenant was a good farmer he would go beyond his agreement, speculate and put capital into his farm, often with beneficial results. There were many farmers possessing intelligence, industry and foresight, who spent money upon the land from which no good result had followed and for which the tenant had no claim at all for compensation. Therefore he believed the promoters of the Bill would do well not to lay so much importance on the retention of the words, or to embark in such complicated legislation for so small a result.

COLONEL KENYON-SLANEY (Shropshire, Newport)

reminded the House that during the discussion on the Bill of 1883, introduced by a Liberal Government, the late Lord Herschell most emphatically endorsed those words as words that should be in the Bill, and that opinion was corroborated by the united opinion of those responsible for the introduction of that measure. When they were asked to consider this Bill as merely a re-echo of the Bill of 1900 he had a right to remind the Liberal Party of what was the opinion of their chief lawyer when the subject first came under the consideration of Parliament. As regarded this particular Amendment he had no very strong feeling. He quite realised that valuers probably did not take into account the inherent capabilities of the soil, but was it not possible that valuers when they saw the provision was taken out might think it was a direct instruction that they should take improvements due to those capabilities into consideration? He thought they should correct the subsection by re-introducing those words, because they were, to a certain extent, a safeguard.

MR. ABEL SMITH (Hertfordshire, Hertford)

said he was afraid that the leaving out of those words might be taken by the valuers in a wrong sense in adjudicating upon what was really the property of the owner of the soil. He was one of those who had never been able to understand why people should have any difficulty in understanding what these words meant. The meaning was perfectly clear. The "inherent capabilities of the soil" was the fertility of the soil which might hitherto have been lying latent. It was the property of the owner of the soil, to secure which possibly he had paid £40, £50, or even £100 per acre. It was the only means by which the owner could secure any return for the capital he laid out in purchasing the land. What was the occupier of the land who made improvements by his skill and labour entitled to? So long as he remained in occupation of the land he enjoyed the results of the improvements he had made, and when his tenancy was determined he was justly entitled to be compensated for the labour and capital which he had expended, and which he had not enjoyed to the full. If they left out the words, "inherent capabilities," it might result in the outgoing tenant receiving compensation out of all proportion to the labour and money which he had expended in bringing the latent fertility to fruition. A clear distinction was drawn years ago by Sir John Lawes, the greatest authority on these questions, between the condition of the land as left and its natural fertility. The outgoing tenant was not entitled to compensation for what Sir John Lawes called the natural fertility of the soil, which in the case of agricultural land was something the owner had paid for. He impressed upon the promoters of the Bill that it would be much more satisfactory, and that it would save a great deal of time if this sub-section were left out altogether. By retaining the words, "inherent capabilities of the soil" they would have been much more likely to secure fair dealing in these matters.

MR. COURTHOPE (Sussex, Rye)

said he only wanted to add a concrete instance of what might be the probable effect of rejecting this Amendment and retaining the clause as it now stood. His right hon. and gallant friend the Member for the Newport Division of Shropshire had said that the effect of cutting out the words "the inherent capabilities of the soil" from the Statute Book must give the impression to a valuer or arbitrator that the inherent capabilities of the soil were intended by this House to be the property of the tenant. He would take a case which frequently happened. A farmer rented some land at say £1 an acre. Part of it he decided to turn with the permission of the landlord, into a market garden. He expended £50 an acre in so doing, and it would not be at all improbable that he would increase the annual value of the land to as much as £7, £8, or £10 an acre. When he went he would be entitled to compensation at the rate of twenty or twenty-five years purchase on the increase. Working that out on ten acres he would get compensation under this section amounting to £1,500, whereas his total expenditure on the land was only £500. That would almost certainly occur if these words were deliberately cut out of the Statute. He hoped the promoters of the Bill would see their way to cut out the sub-section. He should not have

stood out much for putting in the words "inherent capabilities of the soil" if they were not on the Statute-book already, but as they were there they ought to keep them there.

MR. SOARES (Devonshire, Barnstaple)

moved that the Question be now put.

MR. SPEAKER

I think the House is now prepared to come to a decision on the Amendment.

Question put.

The House divided:—Ayes, 226; Noes, 74. (Division List No. 167.)

AYES.
Abraham, William (Rhondda)	Donelan, Captain A.	Jones, William (Carnarvonshire
Acland, Francis Dyke	Duffy, William J.	Joyce, Michael
Allen, A. Acland (Christchurch	Duncan, J. H. (York, Otley)	Kearley, Hudson E.
Allen, Charles P. (Stroud)	Duncan, Robert (Lanark, Govan	Kekewich, Sir George
Ashton, Thomas Gair	Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne)	Kelley, George D.
Baring, Godfrey (Isleof Wight)	Dunne, Major E. Martin(Walsall	Kennedy, Vincent Paul
Barlow, Percy (Bedford)	Edwards, Enoch (Hanley)	Kilbride, Denis
Barnard, E. B.	Esmonde, Sir Thomas	Kincaid-Smith, Captain
Barran, Rowland Hirst	Evans, Samuel T.	King, Alfred John (Knutsford)
Barry, E. (Cork, S.)	Everett, R. Lacey	Lamb, Edmund G. (Leomisnter)
Beale, W. P.	Farrell, James Patrick	Lamb, Ernest H.(Rochester)
Beck, A. Cecil	Fenwick, Charles	Lambert, George
Bellairs, Carlyon	Ferguson, R. C. Munro	Lamont, Norman
Bennett, E. N.	Ffrench, Peter	Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.)
Bertram, Julius	Fiennes, Hon. Eustace	Layland-Barratt, Francis
Billson, Alfred	Flynn, James Christopher	Lea, Hugh Cecil (St. Paneras, E.)
Black, Arthur W.(Bedfordshire	Foster, Rt. Hon. Sir Walter	Leese, Sir Joseph F. (Accrington)
Boland, John	Fullerton, Hugh	Lehmann, R. C.
Brace, William	Gill, A. H.	Lever, W. H. (Cheshire, Wirral)
Bright, J. A.	Ginnell, L.	Lewis, John Herbert
Brunner, J.F.L.(Lancs., Leigh.)	Glendinning, R. G.	Lundon, W.
Brunner, Sir John T.(Cheshire)	Glover, Thomas	Lupton, Arnold
Burke, E. Haviland-	Greenwood, Hamar (York)	Luttrell, Hugh Fownes
Burns, Rt. Hon. John	Gulland, John W.	Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester)
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas	Halpin, J.	MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down, S.)
Cameron, Robert	Hammond, John	MacVeigh, Chas. (Donegal, E)
Cawley, Frederick	Hardy, George A. (Suffolk)	M'Callum, John M.
Channing, Francis Allston	Harrington, Timothy	M'Crae, George
Cheetham, John Frederick	Haslam, James (Derbyshire)	M'Laren, H. D. (Stafford, W.)
Cleland, J. W.	Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth)	M'Micking, Major G.
Clough, W.	Hayden, John Patrick	Maddison, Frederick
Coats, Sir T. Glen (Renfrew, W.)	Hazel, Dr. A. E.	Manfield, Harry (Northants)
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth)	Hazleton, Richard	Marnham, F. J.
Collins, Sir Wm. J.(S. Pancras, W	Healy, Timothy Michael	Meagher, Michael
Condon, Thomas Joseph	Hedges, A. Paget	Menzies, Walter
Corbett, CH(Sussex, E. Grinst'd)	Henderson, Arthur (Durham)	Micklem, Nathaniel
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A.	Herbert, Col. Ivor (Mon., S.)	Mond, A.
Crombie, John William	Herbert, T. Arnold (Wycombe	Montagu, E. S.
Crossley, William J.	Higham, John Sharp	Mooney, J. J.
Davies, Ellis William (Eifion)	Hogan, Michael	Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)
Delany, William	Hooper, A. G.	Morse, L. L.
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway	Hope, W. Bateman (Somerset, N)	Morton, Alpheus Cleophas
Dewar, Arthur (Edinburgh, S.)	Howard, Hon. Geoffrey	Murphy, John
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.	Hutton, Alfred Eddison	Murray, James
Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.	Hyde, Clarendon	Myer, Horatio
Dodd, W. H.	Johnson, John (Gateshead)]	Nicholls, George
Dolan, Charles Joseph	Jones, Leif (Appleby)	Nicholson, Chas. N. (Doncast'r)
Nolan, Joseph	Rose, Charles Day	Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Norton, Capt. Cecil William	Rowlands, J.	Ure, Alexander
Nussey, Thomas Willans	Rutherford, V. H. (Brentford)	Verney, F. W.
O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)	Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde)	Walker, H. De R. (Leicester)
O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)	Scott, A H (Asthonunder Lyne)	Wallace, Robert
O'Doherty, Philip	Sears, J. E.	Walsh, Stephen
O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)	Seddon, J.	Walters, John Tudor
O'Hare, Patrick	Shackleton, David James	Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
O'Kelly, James(Roscommon, N	Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick B.	Ward, John (Stoke upon Trent
O'Shaughnessy, P. J.	Shipman, Dr. John G.	Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan
Parker, James (Halifax)	Silcock, Thomas Ball	Wason, J. Cathcart (Orkney)
Partington, Oswald	Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie	Watt, H. Anderson
Paul, Herbert	Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.)	Wedgwood, Josiah C.
Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden)	Soames, Arthur Wellesley	Weir, James Galloway
Philipps, J Wynford (Pembroke	Spicer, Albert	White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire)
Power, Patrick Joseph	Stanger, H. Y.	White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Price, C.E. (Edinb'gh, Central	Stanley, Hn. A. Lyulph (Chesh.)	Whitehead, Rowland
Price, Robert John (Norfolk, E.	Steadman, W. C.	Whiteley, George (York. W. R.)
Rainy, A. Rolland	Stewart, Halley (Greenock)	Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Raphael, Herbert H.	Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal)	Wilkie, Alexander
Rea, Russell (Gloucester)	Strachey, Sir Edward	Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Reddy, M.	Straus, B. S. (Mile End)	Wilson, P. W. (St. Pancras, S.)
Redmond, J. E. (Waterford)	Sullivan, Donal	Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton
Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)	Summerbell, T.	Woodhouse, Sir J. (Huddersf'd
Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)	Sutherland, J. E.	Young, Samuel
Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradf'rd	Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside)	Taylor, Theodore C.(Radcliffe)	TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr.
Robinson, S.	Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.)	Winfrey and Mr. Soares.
Robson, Sir William Snowdon	Thomasson, Franklin
Roche, John (Galway, East)	Tomkinson, James
NOES.
Acland-Hood, Rt Hn Sir Alex. F.	Doughty, Sir George	Nield, Herbert
Anson, Sir William Reynell	Faber, George Denison (York)	O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens
Anstruther-Gray, Major	Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.	Percy, Earl
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn. Sir H	Fletcher, J. S.	Remnant, James Farquharson
Balcarrss, Lord	Forster, Henry William	Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Balfour, Rt. Hn. AJ(City Lond	Gardner, Ernest (Berks, East)	Salter, Arthur Clavell
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)	Gibbs. G. A. (Bristol, West)	Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Barrie, H. T.(Londonderry, N.)	Hardy, Laurence(Kent, Ashford	Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)
Beach, Hn. Michael Hugh Hicks	Harrison-Broadley, Col. H. B.	Smith, F.E. (Liverpool, Walton)
Beckett, Hon. Gervase	Hay, Hon. Claude George	Starkey, John R.
Bignold, Sir Arthur	Helmsley, Viscount	Stone, Sir Benjamin
Bowles, G. Stewart	Hervey, F.W.F.(Bury S. Edm'ds	Thomson, W. Mitchell-(Lanark
Bridgeman, W. Clive	Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury)	Thornton, Percy M.
Burnyeat, J. D. W.	Hill, Henry Staveley (Staff'sh.)	Walker, Col. W.H. (Lancashire)
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. H. M.	Hornby, Sir William Henry	Walrond, Hon. Lionel
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw H.	Houston, Robert Paterson	Warde, Col. C. E. (Kent, Mid.)
Castlereagh, Viscount	Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H	Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)	Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hon. Col. W	Willoughby de Eresby, Lord'
Cecil, Lord John P. Joicey-	Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.	Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.)
Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone, E.)	Lane-Fox, G. R.	Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.	Liddell, Henry	Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)	Lockwood, Rt. Hn. Lt.-Col. AR	Younger, George
Courthope, G. Loyd	Long, Rt. Hn. Walter(Dublin, S.)
Craig, Capt. James (Down, E.)	M'Calmont, Colonel James	TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Sir
Craik, Sir Henry	Mason, James F. (Windsor)	Frederick Banbury and
Dalrymple, Viscount	Nicholson, Wm. G.(Petersfield)	Viscount Turnour.

COLONEL KENYON-SLANEY

moved to add to the end of sub-section (1) the words, "desirous of farming in accordance with the custom of the country." He thought he could make clear to the House that there was substance and reason in his Amendment. He would support it by a reference to a case which occurred on his own estate. As the clause stood compensation might be awarded to the outgoing tenant for improvements he had made to such amount as fairly represented the value of the improvements to the incoming tenant. It was quite conceivable that a specialised tenant, faming on particular lines, might have effected improvements which would be useless to another tenant who farmed according to the ordinary conditions of husbandry. In fact, instead of improvements, they might be to the incoming tenant a detriment. He wanted to argue that it was impossible in fairness and equity to say that where a tenancy was determined, the landlord in order to get a new tenant should ask for a tenant who would carry on the same system of farming as had been carried on by the outgoing tenant. In his own experience a tenant had gone in for the breeding of thoroughbred racing stock, and the long rows of loose boxes for the reception of stallions and brood mares were of little or no use to the incoming tenant who wished to farm according to the ordinary custom of that part of the country. The sum to be paid as compensation to the outgoing tenant for improvements was fixed by arbitration at approximately £1,500. But he was not particularly anxious to find another tenant who would devote himself to the same line of business, and the land reverted under the new tenant to the ordinary agricultural system of the district. He found, however, that it would be unfair to charge the new tenant a larger sum than £500 for the advantages of the specialised improvements made by the outgoing tenant, and so he practically lost £1,000. Hon. Gentlemen who were really desirous of maintaining and benefiting the system of agriculture which went to increase the fertility of the soil and increase the employment of labour on the land must not expose landowners to the danger of having to deal with this exceptional, specialised kind of farming, but should look at the question from the point of view of the general interests of agriculture and of the country as a whole. Broadly speaking, the farmers of a district were pretty good judges as to how to use their land, and if there had been established a general custom of farming in a particular district, it might be taken for granted that that was the right system. He believed he had established a case for his Amendment, and he hoped it would be accepted in the interest of fair play, of good agriculture, and of supporting the general level of agriculture, and not sacrificing the general level to certain exceptional kinds of farming. The Amendment was perfectly simple. There was no catch about it. It simply ensured that if a farm was vacated it should be farmed in accordance with the custom prevailing in the district.

LORD TURNOUR (Sussex, Horsham)

seconded the Amendment, which he thought was worthy of the consideration of the promoters.

Amendment proposed— In page 1, line 21, after the word 'tenant,' to insert the words 'desirous of farming in accordance with the custom of the county.'"—(Col. Kenyon-Slaney.)

Question proposed, "That those words be there inserted."

MR. SOARES

sincerely hoped that they might not have a long debate on this Amendment. The landlord was protected under the Bill, because it provided that there should be paid such sum as fairly represented the value of the improvement to the incoming tenant. If the words of the right hon. Gentleman were added, either they would be unnecessary or they would impose a further restriction upon the tenant farmer. It was perfectly obvious that in the interest of the tenant farmer they could not accept the Amendment, which would hamper him.

MR. LAMBTON (Durham, S.E.)

thought the Amendment deserved more consideration than had been given to it. The compensation to be given appeared to be that which would be given to a hypothetical tenant.

MR. BRACE (Glamorganshire, S.)

trusted that the Amendment would not be accepted. He looked upon it as a species of obstruction, and as being made to render it impossible to pass the Bill into law in the present session. As he understood it, the proposal was that unless the farm was farmed in accordance with the custom of the district, the tenant would not have the advantage of the improvement which he had made. If there was one industry more than another which had suffered from the want of development through invention it was agriculture. He was not a tenant farmer himself; nor on the other hand had he any interest in wringing out of the tenant farmer anything which fairly belonged to him. ["Who is?"] He did not want to be led into the discussion of a side issue, and although he was not a tenant farmer himself he had some common sense, and was entitled to argue on behalf of those he represented. Because agriculture had not been allowed to make full use of the inventive genius of the race it had suffered. If the Amendment were adopted it would be impossible for a tenant farmer, no matter how able or desirous, to strike out a line for himself without endangering his right to compensation.

LORD HELMSLEY (Yorkshire, N.R., Thirsk)

protested against they charge which had been made. The position was a most extraordinary one. A Bill dealing with the most important industry in the country had been brought in by young private Members. They had had only two days discussion, and then when an important Amendment was brought forward they were accused of obstruction in order to defeat the measure and to wring further money out of tenants. It had not been the practice of landlords of this country to wring money out of tenants. When the hon. Member talked about inventive genius he would point out "to him the many elaborate machines which were now used in agriculture which he must have seen in his perambulations through his constituency. They objected to giving compensation for something which might be of no good at all as the Bill proposed, and the money paid for which for the purposes of the incoming tenant might as well be thrown into the sea.

MR. NUSSEY (Pontefract)

recognised that the Amendment was moved to meet what might be a genuine grievance under the Bill. To take the extreme case of a stud farm, given by the right hon. Gentleman the Member for the Newport Division, it would no doubt be difficult to find an incoming tenant to whom the alterations made would be of value. The cases taken, however, were extreme and exceptional, and would come under the existing law. The words of the Amendment might, moreover, militate against enterprise and industry. For these reasons he felt great difficulty in supporting the Amendment, though he recognised the motives underlying it. He thought it would come better in Clause 7, where he had put down an Amendment of a similar character so as to allow full liberty for the enterprise of the tenant while maintaining the characteristics of the holding. He would like to see a farmer have full liberty to make what improvements he liked, but at the same time he thought it would be hard for a man who let a farm for one purpose to have returned to him at the end of the tenancy a farm of quite a different character. Therefore, although he could not support this Amendment, he believed it was moved with the idea of meeting a real difficulty. The Bill went much farther than any previous Act and was promoted in favour of a particular class connected with the industry, and that being so, the House ought to look to all the classes concerned in that industry. Their interests were more or less indentical, whether they were landlords, future tenants, or sitting tenants, and they centred in the better cultivation of the land.

SIR H. AUBREY-FLETCHER

said he rose to support the Amendment of his hon. friend, but he doubted whether he should have intervened at all had it not been for the speech of the hon. Member for South Glamorgan, who represented that portion of Glamorgan in which he him-self was a considerable landed proprietor. He had brought a charge against the landlord party and his hon. friend of endeavouring to wring money out of the occupying tenants. He would only deal with the county of Glamorgan. He thought he ought to do so in justice to the tenantry who occupied lands on the Aubrey Estate in Glamorgan. He did not claim to have one thousand agricultural tenants on his property, which consisted of 8,000 or 9,000 acres in the hon. Member's constituency, but he had a considerable number. He did not think that in any portion of Glamorgan there was any wish among agricultural tenants for a change in the tenure on which they now held. He would remind the House that some years ago there was a land agitation and a Land Commission in South Wales, but no portion of the tenants in Glamorgan would have anything to do with the agitation, because they were satisfied with the terms of their agreements. The Amendment of his hon. friend provided that the farm should be carried on in accordance with the custom of the country. In the portion of the country to which he alluded the custom was very simple and he did not think the tenants had any wish to alter it. They were thriving and industrious, and they were enabled by their industry to pay their rents with great promptitude. He was sure they had no wish for any change. He thought he was justified on behalf of his friends who were large landowners in the county of Glamorgan in repudiating what the hon. Member had said with regard to tenants having money wrung out of them. He did not wish to go into personal matters and would merely say that in fifteen years he had spent some £20,000 for the benefit of the tenancies.

MR. MUNRO FERGUSON (Leith Burghs)

said that in Committee this clause was discussed fully, and with a singular amount of freedom, and he did not think that either those who represented the landlords or those who represented the tenants very strongly opposed the clause. In his opinion it was not wise in the interests of agriculture that tenants should be tied up too tightly by their agreements. He thought they needed to have some freedom and initiative as regarded the cultivation of the land. The purposes for which the farm was to be used was very much determined by the character of the buildings and that was a matter which was left to the discretion of the owner by this Bill. [Dissent.] He thought it was, but if it was found when Clause 7 was discussed that the repairs did not mean "repairs" but reconstruction, he would be very glad to join in making it clear that the owner should have full discretion as to the character of the buildings. If he was right, the buildings, fences, roads, and so forth, permanent fixtures, remained in the discretion of the owner, and that was a great security against the whole character of the holding being changed without his consent. Therefore he thought it was not necessary to discuss some of these points at length. It was of course impossible to discuss the clause without having an eye on all the other clauses, but he thought each clause as it came should be discussed on its merits. In his opinion this clause was in the interest of agriculture and should be so regarded.

MR. GEORGE FABER (York)

felt quite sure that most Members-were in favour of a genuine farmer obtaining compensation for genuine improvements that he had made. What they wished to guard against was paying for unnecessary improvements made by what he would call, for want of a better term, a fancy farmer. And this became more apparent when they looked at Clause 7. Under the law as it stood at present the planting of fruit trees did require the consent of the landlord, but under this Bill as drawn that consent was not required. Let him put a case. A tenant of a speculative turn of mind took a farm of 200 acres, and thinking part of it was suitable for fruit farming, laid down at a cost of £60 an acre 20 acres of that farm to fruit. When he left the farm the value of the improvement might be nothing. In fact the landlord might find it difficult to get a tenant who wanted 20 acres of fruit trees on the farm. Was that an improvement for which the landlord ought to pay compensation? Did they not rather desire to encourage genuine improvements of the land of the farm? Looking at the matter from that point of view, he agreed with the Amendment, because he believed it tended in that direction. If the House did not find itself able to accept the Amendment, he agreed with the hon. Member for Durham that the best course would be to change the word "an" to "the," which would have the effect of removing the difficulty of arriving at the value of the improvement. The value of the improvement to "an incoming tenant" was a problematical value, because no tenant might be found, whereas the value to the "incoming tenant" was real. Therefore, if they substituted the word "the" for the word "an" they would shut out and guard against the possibility of the landlord paying for an improvement which might not only be of no use, but possibly be harmful to him.

MR. SOARES

rose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put.

Question put "That the Question be now put."

The House divided:—Ayes, 270; Noes, 68. (Division List No. 168.)

AYES.
Abraham, William (Rhondda)	Dillon, John	Joyce, Michael
Acland, Francis Dyke	Dodd, W. H.	Kearley, Hudson E.
Adkins, W. Ryland	Dolan, Charles: Joseph	Kekewich, Sir George
Allen, A. Acland (Christchurch)	Donelan, Captain A.	Kelley, George D.
Allen, Charles P. (Stroud)	Duffy, William J.	Kennedy, Vincent Paul
Ashton, Thomas Gair	Duncan, C.(Barrow-in-Furness)	Kilbride, Denis
Astbury John Meir	Duncan, J. H. (York, Otley)	Kincaid-Smith, Captain
Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth)	Duncan, Robert Lanark, Govan	King, Alfred John (Knutsford)
Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight)	Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne)	Lamb, Edmund G. (Leominster
Barlow, Percy (Bedford)	Dunne, Major E. Martin (Walsall	Lamb, Ernest H. (Rochester)
Barnard, E. B.	Edwards, Clement (Denbigh)	Lambert, George
Barran, Rowland Hirst	Edwards, Enoch (Hanley)	Lamont, Norman
Barry, E. (Cork, S.)	Esmonde, Sir Thomas	Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.)
Beale, W. P.	Evans, Samuel T.	Layland-Barratt, Francis
Beaumont, W. C. B. (Hexham)	Everett, R. Lacey	Lea, Hugh Cecil (St. Pancras, E.)
Beck, A. Cecil	Farrell, James Patrick	Leese, Sir Joseph F. (Accrington
Bellairs, Carlyon	Fenwick, Charles	Lehmann, R. C.
Bennett, E. N.	Ferens, T. R.	Lever, W.H. (Cheshire, Wirral)
Bertram, Julius	Ferguson, R. C. Munro	Lewis, John Herbert
Bethell, T. R. (Essex, 'Maldon)	Ffrench, Peter	Lough, Thomas
Billson, Alfred	Fiennes, Hon. Eustace	Lundon, W.
Black, Arthur W.(Bedfordshire	Flavin, Michael Joseph	Lupton, Arnold
Blake, Edward	Flynn, James Christopher	Luttrell, Hugh Fownes
Boland, John	Foster, Rt. Hon. Sir Walter	Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester)
Brace, William	Fullerton, Hugh	Macdonald, J. M(Falkirk Burghs
Branch, James	Gill, A. H.	Mackarness, Frederic C.
Bright, J. A.	Ginnell, L.	MaeVeagh, Jeremiah (Down, S.
Brodie, H. C.	Glendinning, R. G.	MacVeigh, Chas. (Donegal, E.)
Brunner, J.F.L. (Lanes., Leigh)	Glover, Thomas	M'Callum, John M.
Brunner, Sir John T. (Cheshire)	Greenwood, Hamar (York)	M'Crae, George
Bryce. Rt. Hn. James (Aberdeen	Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill	M'Laren, H. D. (Stafford, W.)
Burke, E. Haviland-	Gulland, John W.	M'Micking, Major G.
Burnyeat, J. D. W.	Halpin, J.	Maddison, Frederick
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas	Hammond, John	Manfield, Harry (Northants)
Cameron, Robert	Hardy, George A (Suffolk)	Mansfield, H. Rendall (Lincoln)
Cawley, Frederick	Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r)	Marnham, F. J.
Channing, Francis Allston	Harrington, Timothy	Meagher, Michael
Cheetham, John Frederick	Haslam, James (Derbyshire)	Menzies, Walter
Clarke, C. Goddard	Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth)	Micklem, Nathaniel
Cleland, J. W.	Hayden, John Patrick	Molteno, Percy Alport
Clough, W.	Hazel, Dr. A. E.	Mond, A.
Coats, Sir T. Glen (Renfrew, W.)	Hazleton, Richard	Montagu, E. S.
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth)	Hedges, A. Paget	Mooney, J. J
Condon, Thomas Joseph	Henderson, Arthur (Durham)	Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)
Corbett, CH(Sussex,(E. Grinst'd	Henderson, J.M. (Aberdeen, W.)	Morse, L. L.
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A.	Henry, Charles S.	Morton, Alpheus Cleophas
Cowan, W. H.	Herbert, T. Arnold (Wycombe)	Murnaghan George
Crean, Eugene	Higham, John Sharp	Murphy, John
Crombie, John William	Hogan, Michael	Murray, James
Crossley, William J.	Hope, W. Bateman (Somerset, N	Myer, Horatio
Davies, Ellis William (Eifion)	Howard, Hon. Geoffrey	Napier, T. B.
Davies, Timothy (Fulham)	Hutton, Alfred Eddison	Nicholls, George
Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.	Hyde, Clarendon	Nicholson, Chas. N. (Doncaster
Delany, William	Jardine, Sir J.	Nolan, Joseph
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway	Johnson, John (Gateshead)	Norman, Henry
Dewar, Arthur (Edinburgh, S.)	Jones, Leif (Appleby)	Norton, Capt. Cecil William
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.	Jones, William(Carnarvonshire	Nussey, Thomas Willans
Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.	Jowett, F. W.	O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.	Rogers, F. E. Newman	Torrance, A. M.
O Connor, John (Kildare, N.)	Rose, Charles Day	Toulmin, George
O'Doherty, Philip	Rowlands, J.	Ure, Alexander
O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)	Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland)	Verney, F. W.
O'Grady, J.	Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde)	Walker, H. De R. (Leicester)'
O'Hare, Patrick	Scott, AH (Ashton under Lyne)	Wallace, Robert
O'Malley, William	Sears, J. E.	Walsh, Stephen
O'Shaughnessy, P. J.	Seaverns, J. H.	Walters, John Tudor
Parker, James (Halifax)	Seddon, J.	Ward, John (Stoke upon Trent)
Partington, Oswald	Shackleton, David James	Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Paul, Herbert	Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick B.	Wason, J. Cathcart (Orkney)
Pearson, Sir W.D.(Colchester)	Shipman, Dr. John G.	Waterlow, D. S.
Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden)	Silcock, Thomas Ball	Watt, H. Anderson
Philipps, J Wynford (Pembroke)	Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie	Wedgwood, Josiah C
Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke)	Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.	Weir, James Galloway
Power, Patrick Joseph	Snowden, P.	White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire)
Price, F. E. (Edinb'gh, Central)	Soames, Arthur Wellesley	White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Price, Robert J. (Norfolk, E.)	Spicer, Albert	White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Rainy, A. Rolland	Stanger, H. Y.	Whitehead, Rowland
Raphael, Herbert H.	Stanley, Hn A Lyulph (Chesh.)	Whiteley, George (York, W.R.>
Rea. Russell (Gloucester)	Steadman, W. C.	Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Reddy, M.	Stewart, Halley (Greenock)	Wilkie, Alexander
Redmond, John E. (Waterford	Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal)	Williams, Llewelyn(Carmarthen)
Renton, Major Leslie	Strachey, Sir Edward	Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Richards, T. F. (Wolverh'mptn	Straus, B. S. (Mile End)	Wilson, Hn. C.H.W. (Hull, W)
Ridsdale, E. A.	Sullivan, Donal	Wilson, J W. (Worcestersh. N.)
Roberts, Charles H.(Lincoln)	Summer bell, T.	Wilson, P. W.(St. Pancras, S.)
Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)	Sutherland, J. E.	Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Robertson, Sir G. Scott(Bradf'd	Taylor, John AV. (Durham)	Woodhouse, Sir J. T. (Huddersf'd)
Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside)	Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)	Young, Samuel
Robinson, S.	Thomas, Sir A(Glamorgan, E.)
Robson, Sir William Snowdon	Thomasson Franklin	TELLERS FOB THE AYES—Mr.
Roche, John (Galway, East)	Tomkinson, James	Soares and Mr. Winfrey
NOES.
Acland-Hood, Rt. Hn Sir Alex. F.	Fletcher, J. S.	O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens
Anstruther-Gray, Major	Forster, Henry William	Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlingt'n
Arkwright, John Stanhope	Gardner, Ernest (Berks, East)	Remnant, James Farquharson
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn. Sir H	Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West)	Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Balcarres, Lord	Haddock, George R.	Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East
Balfour, Rt. Hn. A.J. (City Lond	Hardy, Laurence (Kent, Ashford	Smith, F.E. (Liverpool, Walton)
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)	Harrison-Broadley, Col. H. B.	Starkey, John R.
Banbury, Sir Frederick Gerorge	Hay, Hon. Claude George	Stone, Sir Benjamin
Baring, Hon. Guy (Winchester	Helmsley, Viscount	Thomson, W. Mitchell (Lanark)
Beach, Hn. Michael Hugh Hicks	Hervey, F. W. F. (BuryS. Edm'ds	Thornton, Percy M.
Beckett, Hon. Gervase	Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury)	Turnour, Viscount
Bignold, Sir Arthur	Hill, Henry Staveley (Staff'sh.)	Valentia, Viscount
Bridgeman, W. Clive	Hills, J. W.	Walker, Col. W.H. (Lancashire).
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. H. M.	Hobhouse, Charles E. H.	Walrond, Hon. Lionel
Castlereagh, Viscount	Hornby, Sir William Henry	Warde, Col. C. E. (Kent, Mid.)
Cave. George	Houston, Robert Paterson	Whitbread, Howard
Cecil. Lord John P. Joicey-	Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H	Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)	Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.	Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Craig, Capt. James (Down, E.)	Lane-Fox, G. R.	Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Craik, Sir Henry	Liddell, Henry	Younger, George
Cross, Alexander	Lockwood, Rt. Hn. Lt.-Col. R.
Dalrymple, Viscount	M'Calmont, Colonel James	TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
Faber, George Denison (York)	Mason, James F. (Windsor)	Colonel Kenyon-Slaney
Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.	Nicholson, Wm. G, (Petersfield	and Mr. Courthope.

Question put accordingly, "That those words be inserted in the Bill."

The House divided:—Ayes, 67; Noes, 269. (Division List No. 169.)

AYES.
Acland-Hood, Rt Hn. Sir Alex. F.	Balcarres, Lord	Baring, Hn. Guy (Winchester)
Anstruther-Gray, Major	Balfour, Rt. Hn. A.J. (City Lon.	Beach, Hn. Michael Hugh Hicks
Arkwright, John Stanhope	Balfour, Capt. C.B. (Hornsey)	Beckett, Hon. Gervase
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn. Sir H.	Banbury, Sir Frederick George	Bignold, Sir Arthur
Bridgeman, W. Clive	Hay, Hon. Claude George	Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. H. M.	Helmsley, Viscount	Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)
Castlereagh, Viscount	Hervey, F.W. F. (BuryS Edm'ds	Smith, F.E.(Liverpool, Walton)
Cave, George	Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury)	Starkey, John R.
Cecil, Lord John P. Joicey	Hill, Henry Staveley (Staff'sh.)	Stone, Sir Benjamin
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)	Hills, J. W.	Thomson, W. Mitchell (Lanark)
Craig, Captain James(Down E.	Hornby, Sir William Henry	Thornton, Percy M.
Craik, Sir Henry	Houston, Robert Paterson	Turnour, Viscount
Dalrymple, Viscount	Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H	Valentia, Viscount
Duncan, Robert (Lanark, Govan	Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm	Walker, Col. W. H(Lancashire)
Faber, George Denison (York)	Lane-Fox, G. R.	Walrond, Hon. Lionel
Fell, Arthur	Liddell, Henry	Warde, Col. C. E. (Kent, Mid.)
Finch, Rt. Hn. George H.	Lockwood, Rt. Hn. Lt.-Col. A.R	Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Fletcher. J.S.	M'Calmont, Colonel James	Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Forster, Henry William	Marks, H. H. (Kent)	Younger, George
Gardner, Ernest (Berks, East)	Mason, James F. (Windsor)
Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West)	Nicholson, Wm. G. (Petersfield	TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Haddock, George R.	O'Neill, Hn. Robert Torrens	Colonel Kenyon-Slaney and
Hardy, Laurence(Kent, Ashford	Pease, Herbert Pike(Darlington	Mr. Courthope.
Harrison-Broadley, Col. H. B	Remnant, James Farquharson
NOES.
Abraham, William (Rhondda)	Crossley, William J.	Henderson, J.M.(Aberdeen, W.
Acland, Francis Dyke	Davies, Ellis William (Eifion)	Henry, Charles S.
Adkins, W. Ryland	Davies, Timothy (Fulham)	Herbert, T. Arnold(Wycombe)
Allen, A. Acland (Christchurch)	Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.)	Higham, John Sharp
Allen, Charles P. (Stroud)	Delany, William	Hobhouse, Charles E. H.
Ashton, Thomas Gair	Devlin, Charles Ramsay(Galw'y	Hogan, Michael
Astbury, John Meir	Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.	Hope, W. Bateman(Somerset, N.
Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth)	Dillon, John	Howard, Hon. Geoffrey
Baring, Godfrey(Isle of Wight)	Dodd, W. H.	Hutton, Alfred Eddison
Barlow, Percy (Bedford)	Dolan, Charles Joseph	Hyde, Clarendon
Barnard, E. B.	Donelan, Captain A.	Jardine, Sir J.
Barran, Rowland Hirst	Duffy, William J.	Johnson, John (Gateshead)
Barry, E. (Cork, S-)	Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness	Jones, Leif (Appleby)
Beale, W. P.	Duncan, J. H. (York, Otley)	Jones, William (Carnarvonshire
Beck, A. Cecil	Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne)	Jowett, F. W.
Bellairs, Carlyon	Dunne, Major E. Martin (Walsall)	Joyce, Michael
Bennett, E. N.	Edwards, Clement (Denbigh)	Kearley, Hudson E.
Bertram, Julius	Edwards, Enoch (Hanley)	Kekewich, Sir George
Bethell, T. R. (Essex, Maldon)	Esmonde, Sir Thomas	Kelley, George D.
Billson, Alfred	Evans, Samuel T.	Kennedy, Vincent Paul
Black, Arthur W.(Bedfordshire	Everett, R. Lacey	Kilbride, Denis
Blake, Edward	Farrell, James Patrick	Kincaid-Smith, Captain
Boland, John	Fenwick, Charles	King, Alfred John (Knutsford)
Brace, William	Ferens, T. R.	Lamb, Edmund G. (Leominst'r
Branch, James	Ferguson, R. C. Munro	Lamb, Ernest H. (Rochester)
Bright, J. A.	Ffrench, Peter	Lambert, George
Brodie, H. C.	Fiennes, Hon. Eustace	Lamont, Norman
Brunner, J.F.L.(Lancs., Leigh)	Flavin, Michael Joseph	Layland-Barratt, Francis
Buckmaster, Stanley O.	Foster, Rt. Hon. Sir Walter	Lea, Hugh Cecil (St. Pancras, E.
Burke, E. Haviland-	Fullerton, Hugh	Leese, Sir Joseph F.(Accrington
Burnyeat, J. D. W.	Gill, A. H.	Lehmann, R. C.
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas	Ginnell, L.	Lever, A. Levy(Essex, Harwich)
Byles, William Pollard	Glendinning, R. G	Lever, W. H. (Cheshire, Wirral)
Cameron, Robert	Glover, Thomas	Lewis, John Herbert
Cawley, Frederick	Greenwood, Hamar (York)	Lough, Thomas
Channing, Francis Allston	Griffith, Ellis J.	Luddon, W.
Cheetham, John Frederick	Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill	Lupton, Arnold
Clarke, C. Goddard	Gulland, John W.	Luttrell, Hugh Fownes
Cleland, J. W.	Halpin, J.	Lynch, H. B.
Clough, W.	Hammond, John	Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester)
Coats, Sir T. Glen(Renfrew W.)	Hardy, George A. (Suffolk)	Macdonald, J.M.(Falkirk B'ghs)
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth)	Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r)	Mackarness, Frederic C.
Condon, Thomas Joseph	Harrington, Timothy	MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down, S.
Corbett, C.H.(Sussex, E. Grinst'd	Hart-Davies, T.	MacVeigh, Charles (Donegal, E.)
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A.	Haslam, James (Derbyshire)	M'Callum, John M.
Cowan, W. H.	Hayden, John Patrick	M'Crae, George
Crean, Eugene	Hazel, Dr. A. E.	M'Laren, H. D. (Stafford, W.)
Crombie, John William	Hazleton, Richard	M'Micking, Major G.
Cross, Alexander	Henderson, Arthur (Durham)	Maddison, Frederick

Manfield, Harry (Northants.)	Rainy, A. Rolland	Sutherland, J. E.
Mansfield, H. Rendall (Lincoln)	Raphael, Herbert H.	Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Marnham, F. J.	Rea, Russell (Gloucester)	Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Meagher, Michael	Reddy, M.	Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.)
Menzies, Walter	Redmond, John E. (Waterford	Thomasson, Franklin
Micklem, Nathaniel	Richards, T. F. (Wolverh'mptn	Tomkinson, James
Molteno, Percy Alport	Ridesdale, E. A.	Torrance, A. M.
Mond, A.	Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)	Toulmin, George
Montagu, E. S.	Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)	Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Mooney, J. J.	Robertson, Sir G. Scott(Bradf'rd	Ure, Alexander
Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen	Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside)	Verney, F. W.
Morse, L. L.	Robinson, S.	Walker. H. De R. (Leicester)
Morton, Alpheus Cleophas	Robson, Sir William Snowdon	Wallace, Robert
Murnaghan, George	Roche, John (Galway, East)	Walsh, Stephen
Murphy, John	Rogers, F. E. Newman	Walters, John Tudor
Murray, James	Rose, Charles Day	Ward, John (Stoke upon Trent
Myer, Horatio	Rowlands, J.	Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Napier, T. B.	Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland	Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Nicholls, George	Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde)	Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney
Nicholson, Charles N. (Don caster	Schwann, Chas. E. (Manchester)	Waterlow, D. S.
Nolan, Joseph	Scott, A.H.(Ashton under Lyne	Watt, H. Anderson
Norman, Henry	Sears, J. E.	Wedgwood, Josiah C.
Norton, Capt. Cecil William	Seaverns, J. H.	Weir, James Galloway
O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)	Seddon, J.	White, J.D. (Dumbartons'ire
O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.)	Shackleton, David James	White, Luke (York, E.R.)
O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)	Shaw, Rt. Hn. T. (Hawick B.)	White, Patrick (Meath, North)
O'Doherty, Philip	Shipman, Dr. John G.	Whitehead, Rowland
O'Donnell U, T. (Kerry, W.)	Silcock, Thomas Ball	Whiteley, George (York, W.R.)
O'Grady, J.	Sloan, Thomas Henry	Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
O'Hare, Patrick	Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.	Wilkie, Alexander
O'Malley, William	Snowden, P.	Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarth'n
O'Shaughnessy, P. J.	Soames, Arthur Wellesley	Wilson, Hon. C. H. W. (Hull, W
Parker, James (Halifax)	Spicer, Albert	Wilson, J.W.(Worcestersh., N.)
Partington, Oswald	Stanger, H. Y.	Wilson, P. W. (St. Pancras, S.)
Paul, Herbert	Stanley, Hn. A. Lyulph (Chesh.	Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Pearson, Sir W. D. (Colchester)	Steadman, W. C.	Woodhouse, Sir J.T (Huddersf'd
Pease, J. A. (Saffron. Walden)	Stewart, Halley (Greenock)	Young, Samuel
Philipps, J. Wynford (Pembroke	Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal)
Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke)	Strachey, Sir Edward	TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.
Power, Patrick Joseph	Straus, B. S. (Mile End)	Soares and Mr. Winfrey.
Price, C. E. (Edinb'gh, Central)	Sullivan, Donal
Price, Robert John (Norfolk, E.	Summer bell, T.

MR. ABEL SMITH (Hertfordshire, Hertford)

moved to leave out sub-section (2). This sub-section substituted for the procedure laid down in the Agricultural Holdings Act of 1900 an entirely new arrangement which made it compulsory in the event of arbitration under the Agricultural Holdings Act for the reference to be to a single arbitrator. The principal object of the Act of 1900 was to make the procedure under previous Acts more simple and less expensive, and it would be generally admitted by those who had had practical experience that that object had been attained. No doubt the promoters of the present Bill would claim that this sub-section would carry the object further by the substitution of a single arbitrator. How were these arbitrations carried out under present arrangements? The Act of 1900 required that the arbitration, unless the parties otherwise agreed, should be by a single arbitrator, so that either party concerned could, if he liked, insist on having a single arbitrator. He believed agriculturists very much preferred that that arrangement should continue, and he ventured to think there were very good grounds for holding that view. He was sorry the representative of the Board of Agriculture was not at the moment in the House, because hon. Gentlemen would remember that only a short time ago the hon. Baronet referred to the representative character of the Central Chamber of Agriculture, and said that anything the Chamber expressed should have great weight. When this particular matter came up for discussion at the Central Chamber of Agriculture, a Resolution was carried nem. con. objecting to this sub-section. The present arrangement was considered to be satisfactory, but in the case of a single arbitrator each party must have a representative or advocate to present his case to the, arbitrator. The landlord probably had his agent who might or might not be a gentleman learned in the law, and it was-absolutely necessary for the outgoing tenant who was the other party to have some expert gentleman to advise him and get up his case. In other words, there would be three experts engaged on the work. Where, however, each party appointed an arbitrator, a third person was only called in as umpire in any matter on which the arbitrators could not agree. The result was that in a great many cases the umpire was never called in, and therefore only two experts had to be paid for instead of three, as would always be the case if the system of a single arbitrator were made compulsory. One of the most experienced valuers in the country had written stating his agreement with the view which he was now putting forward. A preponderating number of farmers' associations in the country had expressed themselves perfectly satisfied with the present arrangement, and against their freedom of action being taken away by its being made compulsory for a single arbitrator to be appointed in each case. He therefore moved the omission of this sub-section.

MR. LAURENCE HARDY (Kent, Ashford)

seconded the Motion, because he thought this was one of those questions in which it was very desirable the House should see that this Bill was in accordance with the opinion of those interested, and also in accordance with true economy. On neither of those grounds did he think any defence could be made for the retention of this subsection. So far as the opinion of the tenants themselves was concerned, and putting aside the question of the landlords, who, he was afraid, were not often mentioned in debates on this Bill, he would point out that his hon. friend had given a good deal of evidence against this proposal, and they might justly ask the promoters of this Bill to bring forward proof that the tenants were desirous of obtaining this sub-section. So far as he had been able to ascertain an opinion—and it was very much Confirmed by the reports that had come to the Central Chamber of Agriculture from farmers' clubs—the tenants did not look upon this provision with either enthusiasm or interest, but, in fact, they very much preferred the present system. That being so, they ought to have very strong proof that the system proposed to be substituted was a better one before making the change. As to the question of economy, he had not been able to ascertain any views to show that this proposal would effect economy. First of all the single arbitrator would have to be quite a different type of person to the arbitrators at present appointed. He would have to be appointed more or less officially, and he would become something in the nature of a County Court Judge, a man set apart who would have to be paid either out of rates or taxes. Before him would appear the experts who would represent the landlord and the tenant. There was very little prospect in a country district of one man being mutually appointed by landlord and tenant to decide on these questions. Each party in almost every case liked to have his own view put forward. As a rule mutual compromise came in, and the result was very easy to arrive at without much expense under the present system. The establishments of a sort of court, on the other hand, might lead to further persons being introduced into the proceedings, because instead of his agent being employed the landlord very probably would have a legal gentleman to advise. Instead, therefore, of simplicity and economy it would mean the establishment of a land court and an increase of expenditure.

Amendment proposed— In page 1, line 22, to leave out sub-section (2) of Clause 1."—(Mr. Abel Smith.)

Question proposed: "That the words proposed to be left out, to 'contract' in page 1, line 24, stand part of the Bill."

MR. SOARES

sincerely hoped that the gloomy forebodings of the hon. Gentleman who had just sat down would not be realised. The whole sub-sect on was really a very simple one; it raised on y one small question and that was the appointment of a single arbitrator in all cases. He might point out that sub-section (5) of Clause 2 of the Act of 1900 provided that an arbitration should, unless the parties otherwise agreed, be before a single arbitrator. All that this subsection did was to omit the words "unless the parties otherwise agree." Already it was conceded that a single arbitrator, whenever possible, was advisable. He might say that the Board of Agriculture was strongly in favour of this subsection, and as that Department had a large knowledge of procedure its opinion was surely worth having on this matter. The system of two arbitrators did not work out well so far as the Board of Agriculture was concerned. When it was a question of two arbitrators the Board had power to make the appointment in default of one of the parties making it. It found that when it made the appointment the man appointed did not act in the capacity of a judicial personage, but more as an advocate, and what was wanted was a judicial personage to act as far as possible. A Scottish case came under the notice of the Board of Agriculture a short time ago in which several points of procedure were raised. One was whether the arbitration should be governed by the Agricultural Holdings Act or by the agreement in the lease, and another point was whether the arbitration should take place before a single arbitrator or two arbitrators. There was great delay in dealing with the matter, and an application was made to the Board, and before the Board could finish the necessary correspondence and make the appointment considerable further delay was occasioned. Then the landlord took proceedings in the Court of Session, and compensation was not obtained until nearly two years after the application was made to the Board. The tenant had to pay £156 for landlord's costs, and upwards of £200 for his own solicitor's costs. That was the kind of thing they wanted to avoid in the future. They wanted to simplify the procedure, and they thought the appointment of an arbitrator would do that, because as the case he had mentioned showed, there was often a difficulty as to whether on the facts of the case there ought to be one arbitrator or two. There could be no doubt that with two arbitrators the possibility of technical points being raised was increased, and there were-also more risks of mistake in procedure, and in that case the whole arbitration was liable to be vitiated. If there was a single arbitrator his status would be improved. He would become more of a judicial personage, and his sense of responsibility would be increased. Of course it would not prevent an amicable arrangement being made between landlord and tenant as at present. It would be only when they found that they could not come to terms that the case would come before the single arbitrator. With regard to the saving of expense, on which he put a great deal of emphasis, obviously there must be a saving to have one instead of two arbitrators. For the reasons he had given he sincerely hoped the House would retain the sub-section.

MR. LAURENCE HARDY

Will the hon. Gentleman give us some evidence of the desire on the part of tenants for the sub-section?

MR. GARDNER (Berkshire, Wokingham)

said the hon. Member in charge of the Bill had called this a very small question, but there might be much mischief in a small thing. The first paragraph in the memorandum to the Bill stated that its object was to extend, cheapen, and simplify the law of compensation, etc. How it could be said to cheapen or simplify the law passed his comprehension. This Bill was full of opportunities for litigation and controversy, and, indeed, invited them, and if anything could add to the cost of the troubles that were certain to arise it was this sub-section. It made compulsory one method of deciding disputes between persons engaged in agriculture. What farmers feared was the amount of costs in dealing with their business. The hon. Member in charge of the Bill had said that landlord and tenant could amicably settle any questions that arose. On the termination of a tenancy they were bound to be represented by someone. The statement by one hon. Member that he was under the impression that the Government proposed to get a higher class of arbitrators was some reflection on the arbitrators and valuers who at present conducted the business. The arbitrators in his county, and he believed in most other parts, were perfectly competent to settle any disputes. The proposal to have one arbitrator appeared a very simple thing, but it was well known that it would cost tenant farmers and landlords a great deal more and involve more trouble. So far as he could gather the only persons who would get any benefit out of the Bill were lawyers, arbitrators, and expert witnesses. There was quite enough to contend with in agriculture at present, but if they were to have a crowd of that class of persons let loose upon them he did not know what agriculture would come to. They were to have a high class of arbitrator. He should like to know how many guineas a day he was to receive. Possibly he would come from the Board of Agriculture, and what would he know of the customs of the different counties? He would need to have expert evidence before him, and the experts would be likely to charge more than if they were working quietly between landlord and tenant. Customs in the counties differed so widely that an arbitrator coming from a distance would be forced to have local persons to advise him, and these would have to be examined and cross-examined by other expensive persons. The existing state of things had worked practically without any difficulty or friction. They appointed between them an umpire who was seldom called in. He had it on the authority of a large agent that an umpire was called in only in about one case in fifteen.

COLONEL HARRISON-BROADLEY (Yorkshire, E.R., Howdenshire)

said that as the representative of one of the largest agricultural constituencies, and as one who represented perhaps as many farmers and agriculturists as any man in the House, he thought he ought to be allowed to say a word or two on the question. There was a feeling that the clause had nothing in it except that which would cause ill-feeling and expense, and also the calling in of those who were not interested in the greatest industry of the country. He had had many communications and conversations with agriculturists since the Bill was first brought forward, and everyone who knew agriculturists and farmers had all been of the opinion that Sub-section (2) of Clause 1 should be left out. They did not know whether the arbitrators were to be men of the county in which the farm was situated, and who would thus become-acquainted with the custom of the county; but at the present time they certainly had no trouble whatever in settling matters between the outgoing and incoming tenants, and he considered it would do the greatest injury if they went outside the county and took in men appointed by the Board of Agriculture to settle the question. He had great pleasure in supporting the Amendment.

MR. EVERETT (Suffolk, Woodbridge)

said he found himself in agreement with hon. Gentlemen opposite, and he believed his friends in regard to this sub-section had made a mistake. There was not the smallest desire on the part of the farmers for any alteration in the present method of arbitration when farms changed hands. The landlord and the tenant chose representatives who were familiar with the nature of the land and the local customs. They went over the farm, and they generally arrived at a satisfactory settlement. If necessary, they referred to an umpire, but that was a comparatively rare occurrence. The present method of conducting valuations entirely satisfied farmers, and it was as cheap as any mode which might be conceived. The proposed sub-section would bring in the thin end of officialism. They did not want anyone from the Board of Agriculture interfering with their decisions. There was a great deal of good work which Parliament could do, but surely it should not interfere where there was no occasion, and he was sure both the farmers and landlords of the county from which he came wished they would leave them alone as regards their methods of making valuations.

MR. MITCHELL-THOMSON (Lanarkshire, N.W.)

said he wished to ask a question with regard to the construction of the clause. Some remarks on this point had been made on the first sub-section, but it seemed to him that the construction and drafting of the second subsection was far more serious than the first. He should like an explanation of what was meant by "this Act." Did the words mean the present Bill? The hon. Member for the Barnstaple Division said it was intended to mean the Agricultural Act, 1900, and that this section was inserted in place of the section which had been repealed. He was under the impression that they were talking about the Agricultural Holdings Acts, 1883 and 1900. He did not know what was meant by the Agricultural Acts, 1883 and 1900, and as a matter of fact there were no such Acts. He understood what was meant by the Agricultural Holdings (England) or (Scotland) Act. He did not think the words "this Act "could be construed as meaning the Act of 1900.

MR. SOARES

Those words mean this Bill.

MR. MITCHELL-THOMSON

thought that in that case the House was entitled to some explanation of why in the first sub-section "this Act" meant the Act of 1900 and why in the second sub-section the same words meant the Bill under discussion. Did the hon. Member still adhere to that position?

ME. SOARES

Yes.

MR. MITCHELL-THOMSON

said that was all the more reason why they should oppose this proposal.

MR. MUNRO FERGUSON

said there was nothing in the Bill which would lead them to suppose that the Board of Agriculture would send down an arbitrator who was not conversant with the district. In Scotland they were supposed to be very careful in their expenditure, and he might point out that the system of appointing one valuator in Scotland had grown up very much in consequence of that national desire to save unnecessary cost, and also to obtain better justice.

LORD TURNOUR (Sussex, Horsham)

said as a tenant farmer perhaps he might be allowed to say a few words on this sub-section. In the first instance he heartily agreed with everything that had fallen from the hon. Member for the Woodbridge division. He thought it a somewhat remarkable thing that Mr. Pretyman, who formerly represented that division, was a strong opponent of this principle, and that the hon. Gentleman who now represented the division—and who probably looked at the question from a wholly different point of view—was also a strong opponent. It seemed, indeed, to be a strong argument against the sub-section remaining as it was at the present time. It seemed to him that it would merely put upon agriculture a greater burden than that which it had to carry at the present time. He sincerely hoped those in charge of the Bill would note what had been said, and especially to what had fallen from the hon. Member for the Woodbridge Division. No doubt the promoters of the Bill, in drafting the clause, had excellent intentions, but he could only think it would put an even greater burden upon agriculture than that industry carried at the present time, and it seemed to him that the whole clause might have been drawn by an economist of the Poplar guardian type.

MR. WALTER LONG

said they desired to lay down the principle that a single arbitrator should be the preferable course to adopt and that only in the event of a person desiring to have two arbitrators should that procedure be adopted. The proposal in the Bill was that one arbitrator only should be appointed. The hon. Member for Leith Burghs had said that for reasons of economy they preferred in Scotland to have one arbitrator, but it was manifest that in England and Wales they did not prefer that system. Under the Act of 1900 it was laid down that the arbitration was to be before a single arbitrator if the parties agreed on that course. It was only when the landlord and tenant agreed that there should not be a single one that two arbitrators were called in. The farmers of England and Wales did not desire a system which was contrary to their present practice. Nothing had been said to justify interference with the British tenant farmer in carrying on his own business in his own way.

MR. BERTRAM (Hertfordshire, Hitchin)

thought the clause effected a distinct saving of a step, and, therefore, he should support it. Under existing I law when the tenant vacated his holding he and the landlord each appointed a valuer. If these failed to agree arbitrators were appointed, and the two valuers almost invariably became the two arbitrators. Agreement being still impossible these two appointed an umpire, and if they could not agree upon him the Board of Agriculture appointed the umpire. Under the clause now proposed the Umpire disappeared, his place being filled by the single arbitrator, and a saving of one step in the existing process of valuation was thereby effected.

MR. COURTHOPE (Sussex, Rye)

said that when the lion Gentleman in charge of the Bill made his speech in opposition to the Amendment he used an expression the meaning of which he thought he did not quite realise, viz., that a single arbitrator would be a judicial personage. That was so, and it was just because he would be a judicial personage that it would be necessary for Doth parties to have somebody to represent them before him. The result of that would be that there would be three to be paid for instead of, as was usually the case at present, two only, for in the majority of cases under the existing law an agreement was come to, and the expense of an umpire, or third arbitrator, avoided. He thought, therefore, even according to their own arguments, those who supported the Bill should realise that it would be better for this sub-section to be struck out.

MR. CAWLEY (Lancashire, Prestwich)

was of opinion that the Bill would be improved by the acceptance of the Amendment. The promoters had not attempted to prove that anyone had urgently demanded the alteration, and the present law appeared to be giving satisfaction to everybody. No one could say that the tenants had a grievance and everybody liked the present procedure. Why, therefore, should the House be asked to sanction a new procedure to displace one which had proved so eminently satisfactory? He thought his hon. friend would be wise if he accepted the Amendment.

MR. HICKS BEACH (Gloucestershire, Tewkesbury)

said that the hon. Member for Barnstaple had argued that the principle of the single arbitrator was accepted in 1900, but he had ignored the stipulation that it should be departed from if the two parties did not agree to it. The Act of 1900 was very different from this Bill, because what the arbitrator had to decide under that Act was only in regard to improvements to the soil. Under this Bill, however, the arbitrator had to decide as to the value of certain improvements made in the soil itself, whether the game had done harm to the crops, whether the buildings had been so altered and transformed as to be of any real value to the holding, and other matters. The arbitrator would also have to be a person with a judicial mind, because he would have to decide whether a disturbance had been reasonable or unreasonable. He thought the Board of Agriculture would have great difficulty in securing persons of this extraordinary character, and they would have to pay them large fees for their services. He agreed that what the farmers wanted on this occasion was not such proposals as these; but, as a witness had remarked before the Royal Commission on Agriculture in 1897, "the only security they wanted was security from the law makers."

MR. COURTENAY WARNER (Staffordshire, Lichfield)

thought the Amendment would effect some slight improvement in the working of the Bill. It would be advisable if his hon. friends, the promoters of the Bill, would sacrifice the provision now in question in deference to the wishes of the farmers of the country, who were distinctly opposed to the alteration in the existing law. The question was discussed by the Central Chamber of Agriculture, and it appeared then that the farmers were opposed to any change in the law.

MR. SEDDON (Lancashire, Newton)

said the hon. Member in charge of the Bill would be well advised if he made the sub-section more stringent. The right hon. baronet the Member for the Lewes Division had said that the tenant farmers in Glamorganshire were satisfied, and did not wish any interference between themselves and the landlords. That might be perfectly true so far as South Glamorgan was concerned, but it was not so with respect to other parts of the country. The right hon. baronet's speech reminded him of the Chinese coolies who asked to be flogged in order to prove how beneficial were the conditions under which they lived in South Africa. According to the right hon. baronet no improvement was possible, and any effort at improvement would be repudiated so far as South Glamorgan was concerned. He had in his hand an agreement made in Lancashire which proved conclusively, so far as that county was concerned, that the landlords had certainly not only been able to look after themselves, but had taken good care that the tenant should be robbed of his rights. ["No."] He was going by the agreement which laid down the condition that the tenant should live in the farmhouse. ["Read."] A condition of the agreement was that the tenant should live in the farmhouse and keep it in a state of repair. The hon. and gallant Member for the Newport division of Shropshire would have the House to believe that if a tenant put up all manner of buildings, especially for the breeding of race-horses, compensation could be claimed in respect of them whether the incoming tenant wanted them or not. That was not the meaning of the clause. What the clause was intended to secure to the tenant farmer was compensation for unexhausted improvements. There could be no doubt that many of the tenant farmers of this country were subject to the caprice, and sometimes the political bias, of their landlords.

MR. GUEST (Cardiff District)

asked whether the hon. Gentleman was in order in discussing the whole field of the Bill, or whether he should discuss the sub-section only.

MR. SPEAKER

The sub-section only. The hon. Member is rather tending towards a Second Reading speech. He must confine himself to the question of the retention of the particular subsection.

MR. SEDDON

said he thought that the provision as to the single arbitrator should be compulsory. In his own constituency many tenants had been compelled to leave their homes, and they had refused to accept the offices of the arbitrator, knowing that there was a certain amount of sympathy existing between landlords. He was not surprised at that after hearing the speeches from both sides of the House to-day. He could quite understand that a tenant who, for political reasons, had offended his landlord, and got notice to quit, should prefer to leave his case in the hands of the landlord, because he knew that the power of that landlord might be used against him when he applied for another holding. [" Oh! "] He knew that home truths were resented by the persons affected. He sincerely trusted that the hon. Gentleman in charge of the Bill would recognise that the measure was in the interest of a class too long under the power of landlords.

CAPTAIN BALFOUR (Middlesex, Hornsey)

said he should not like it to go out that the Scottish Chamber of Agriculture was absolutely in favour of the Bill. He had before him the Aberdeen Journal of 16th June containing a Report of a meeting of the Chamber of Agriculture held on the previous day. A proposa to approve of the clause in regard to the single arbitrator gave rise to a good dea of discussion, and an Amendment approving of two arbitrators was carried. He had never heard more irrelevant remarks than those which had fallen from the last speaker. In his part of the country tenants and landlords were not mutual enemies.

MR. GUEST

did not think the Amendment was of very great importance. So far as he could make out it would leave the law very much where it was at the present time. He thought the sub-section might be accepted as it stood. The House was composed partly, on the one hand, of landlords who did know something of agriculture, and, on the other hand, of people who knew nothing whatever of agriculture. He thought that the prejudice of those who knew something of agriculture was better for the Bill than the ignorance of those who knew nothing. It had never been his lot since he came to this House to hear any Member make such accusations or insinuations as had fallen from the hon. Member for the Newton division. The hon. Member had said that the landlords of the country only desired to rob their tenants. He understood him to say that they took good care that the tenant should be robbed of his improvements. He repudiated that statement; he thought it was grossly unfair. Where was the cry against the landlords? [An hon. Member: In Wales.] In what part? In South Glamorgan, with which he was acquainted, there was no difficulty between landlords and tenants. As a body, the landlords were as anxious to improve agriculture as the hon. Gentleman. Speaking for himself, what he felt about the Bill was that it did not go far enough.

MR. BOTTOMLEY (Hackney, S.)

asked whether the hon. Member was in order in not confining himself to the sub-section.

ME. SPEAKER

The hon. Member was answering an attack which was made upon landlords.

MB. GUEST

admitted that he had been drawn into the remarks he had made by the attack of the hon. Gentleman. He could not suppose that the hon. Gentleman intended to attack the whole body of landlords.

SIR E. CARSON

called attention to the very wide terms of the sub-section as it now stood. He asked the promoters of the Bill whether they really intended what the sub-section stated. In all previous legislation the arbitration had been limited to the question of improvements, but this sub-section was perfectly general. There was no limitation whatever. The sub-section said— All questions which under the Agricultural Holdings Acts, 1883 to 1900, or this Act, or under any custom or contract of tenancy, are to be determined by arbitration shall, notwithstanding any agreement to the contrary, and whether the tenancy commenced before or after passing of this Act, be determined by a single arbitrator in accordance with the provisions set out in Part I. of the Second Schedule to the Agricultural Holdings Act, 1900. Did the promoters of the Bill mean that any question arising under a tenancy was to go to a single arbitrator whether it referred to improvements or not? It seemed to him that thousands of questions might arise which had no relation to improvements at all.

SIR W. ROBSON

said this was not a sub-section to impose on landowners generally the obligation to go to arbitra- tion; it only enacted that all questions, which under the various Acts or agreements were to be determined, should henceforth be determined by a single arbitrator.

SIR E. CARSON

said that matters outside questions of compensation might be dealt with by the arbitrator.

LORD WILLOUGHBY DE ERESBY (Lincolnshire, Horncastle)

said the House had now been debating the sub-section for some time, and only two Members had spoken in its favour. The reason why one Member wished it retained in the Bill was that landlords got a great deal more than they ought to get out of their tenants. In order to prove this the hon. Member said he knew of an agreement which a tenant had signed, one of the conditions of which was that he should reside in the farmhouse and keep it in repair. He himself did not think it was such a terrible thing that a landlord should look for a resident tenant, and not one who would live miles away from the farm, or that the tenant should be required to do the ordinary small repairs to the house. He did not quite gather from the hon. Gentleman's speech on what grounds he wished for one arbitrator instead of two. The hon. Member for the Leith Burghs supported the subsection because the Scottish farms wanted it. The fact was, as had been stated, that a Motion was carried at the meeting of the Scottish Chamber of Agriculture to the effect that there should be exceptions where more than one arbitrator could be employed.

MR. MUNRO FERGUSON

said the question of appointing one arbitrator was discussed in relation to two points. There never was any question as to the expediency of having one valuator for improvements under the Agricultural Holdings Acts.

LORD WILLOUGHBY DE ERESBY

asked why the Scottish tenants, if they wished to have one arbitrator instead of two, did not avail themselves of the Act of 1900. The hon. Member had referred to the case of sheep farm valuations. There could be no more crying shame than the method in which these valuations were carried out at present. The hors Member knew perfectly well that the moment it came to a question of large sums of money, perhaps £4,000 or £5,000 one way or the other, people would not consent to go before one arbitrator. He most earnestly asked the promoters of the Bill, in view of the expression of opinion from both sides of the House, to withdraw the sub-section, and allow things to remain as they were now in the matter of arbitration.

Mr. WINFREY rose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put."

Question put, "That the Question be now put."

The House divided:—Ayes, 312; Noes, 85. Division List No. 170.)

AYES.
Abraham, Willam (Cork, N.E)	Coats, Sir T. Glen(Renfrew, W.)	Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r)
Abraham, Willam (Rhondda)	Collins Stephen (Lambeth)	Harrington, Timothy
Acland, Francis Dyke	Condon Thomas Joseph	Hart-Davies, T.
Adkins, W. Ryland	Cooper, G. J.	Haslam, James (Derbyshire)
Alden, Percy	Corbett, CH(Sussex, E. Grinst'd	Haworth, Arthur A.
Allen, A. Acland (Christchurch)	Cornwall, Sir Edwin A.	Hayden, John Patrick
Allen, Charles P. (Stroud)	Cowan, W. H.	Hazel, Dr. A. E.
Armstrong, W. C. Heaton	Crean, Eugene	Hazleton, Richard
Ashton, Thomas Gair	Cremer, William Randal	Hedges, A. Paget
Astbury, John Meir	Crombie, John William	Henderson, Arthur (Durham)
Atherley-Jones, L.	Crossley, William J.	Henderson, J. M.(Aberdeen, W.)
Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth)	Dalziel, James Henry	Henry, Charles S.
Baker, Joseph A. (Finsbury, E.	Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan)	Herbert, T. Arnold (Wycombe)
Balfour, Robert (Lanark)	Davies, Timothy (Fulham)	Higham, John Sharp
Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight)	Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.	Hobart, Sir Robert
Barker, John	Delany, William	Hogan, Michael
Barlow, John Emmott (Som'rst)	Devlin, Charles Ramsay(Galw'y)	Howard, Hon. Geoffrey
Barlow, Percy (Bedford)	Dewar, Arthur (Edinburgh, S.)	Hutton, Alfred Eddison
Barnard, E. B.	Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.	Jacoby, James Alfred
Barran, Rowland Hirst	Dickinson, W.H.(St. PancrasN	Jardine, Sir J.
Barry, E. (Cork, S.)	Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.	Johnson, John (Gateshead)
Beale, W. P.	Dillon, John	Jones, David Brynmor(Swansea
Beauchamp, E.	Dodd, W. H.	Jones, Leif (Appleby)
Beaumont, W. C. B. (Hexh'm)	Dolan, Charles Joseph	Jones, William (Carnarvonsh.)
Beck, A. Cecil	Donelan, Captain A.	Jowett, F. W.
Bellairs, Carlyon	Duffy, William J.	Joyce, Michael
Benn, W. (T'w'rH'mrts,S. Geo.)	Duncan, C.(Barrow-in-Furness	Kearley, Hudson E.
Bertram, Julius	Duncan, J. H. (York, Otley)	Kekewich, Sir George
Bethell, J.H.(Essex, Romford)	Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne)	Kennedy, Vincent Paul
Bethell, T. R. (Essex, Maldon	Dunne, Major E. Martin(Walsall	Kilbride, Denis
Billson, Alfred	Edwards, Clement (Denbigh)	Kincaid-Smith, Captain
Black, Arthur W. (Bedfordshire)	Edwards, Enoch (Hanley)	King, Alfred John Knutsford)
Blake, Edward	Esmonde, Sir Thomas	Lamb, Edmund G. (Leominster)
Boland, John	Evans, Samuel T.	Lamb, Ernest H. (Rochester)
Brace, William	Everett, R. Lacey	Lambert, George
Branch, James	Farrell, James Patrick	Lamont, Norman
Bright, J. A.	Fenwick, Charles	Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.)
Brunner, J.F.L. (Lanc8.,Leigh)	Ferens, T. R.	Layland-Barratt, Francis
Brunner, Sir John T.(Cheshire)	Ferguson, B. C. Munro	Lea, HughCecil (St. Pancras, E.)
Bryce, Rt. Hn. James(Aberdeen	Ffrench, Peter	Leese, Sir Joseph F(Accrington)
Bryce, J. A. (Inverness Burghs)	Flavin, Michael Joseph	Lehmann, R. C
Buckmaster, Stanley O.	Flynn, James Christopher	Lever, A. Levy (Essex, Harwich
Burke, E. Haviland	Foster, Rt. Hon. Sir Walter	Lever, W. H. (Cheshire, Wirral)
Burns, Rt. Hon. John	Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry	Lewis, John Herbert
Burnyeat, J. D. W.	Fuller, John Michael F.	Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas	Fullerton, Hugh	Lundon, W.
Buxton, Ht. Hn. Sydney Charles	Gibb, James (Harrow)	Luttrell, Hugh Fownes
Byles, William Pollard	Gill, A. H.	Lyell, Charles Henry
Cairns, Thomas	Ginnell, L.	Lynch, H. B.
Cameron, Robert	Gladstone, Rt. Hon. H. John	Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester)
Carr-Gomm, H. W.	Glendinning, R. G.	Macdonald, J. M. (FalkirkB'ghs)
Causton, Rt. Hn. RichardKnight	Greenwood, G. (Peterborough)	Mackarness, Frederic C.
Cawley, Frederick	Greenwood, Hamar (York)	MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down,)
Channing, Francis Allston	Griffith, Ellis	MacVeigh, Charles(Donegal, E.)
Cheetham, John Frederick	Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill	M'Callum, John M.
Clarke, C. Goddard	Halpin, J.	M'Crae, George
Cleland, J. W.	Hammond, John	M'Killop, W.
Clough, W.	Hardy, George A. (Suffolk)	M'Laren, H. D. (Stafford, W.)
M'Micking, Major G.	Price, Robert John (Norfolk, E.)	Sullivan, Donal
Maddison, Frederick	Radford, G. H.	Summerbell, T.
Mallet, Charles E.	Rainy, A. Rolland	Sutherland, J. E.
Manfield, Harry (Northante)	Raphael, Herbert H.	Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Mansfield, H. Rendall(Lincoln)	Rea, Russell (Gloucester)	Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Marks, G. Croydon (Launceston)	Reddy, M.	Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Marnham, F. J.	Redmond, John E. (Waterf'rd)	Tennant, Sir Edward (Salisbury
Massie, J.	Redmond, William (Clare)	Tennant, H. J. (Berwickshire)
Meagher, Michael	Rees, J. D.	Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)
Menzies, Walter	Renton, Major Leslie	Thomas, Sir A.(Glamorgan, E.)
Micklem, Nathaniel	Rickett, J. Compton	Thomasson, Franklin
Molteno, Percy Alport	Ridsdale, E. A.	Tomkinson, James
Mond, A.	Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)	Torrance, A.
Montagu, E. S.	Robertson Sir G. Stott (Bradf'rd	Ure, Alexander
Morgan, J. Lloyd(Carmarthen)	Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside)	Verney, F. W.
Morrell, Philip	Robinson, S.	Walker, H. De R. (Leicester)
Morton, Alpheue Cleophas	Robson, Sir William Snowdon	Walsh, Stephen
Murnaghan, George	Roche, John (Galway, East)	Ward, John(Stoke upon Trent
Murphy, John	Rogers, F. E. Newman	Warner, Thomas Courtenay Ti
Murray, James	Rose, Charles Day	Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Myer, Horatio	Rowlands, J.	Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney
Napier, T. B.	Russell, T. W.	Waterlow, D. S.
Nicholls, George	Rutherford, V. H. (Brentford)	Watt, H. Anderson
Nicholson, Charles N.(Doneast'r	Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland)	Wedgwood, Josiah C.
Nolan, Joseph	Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)	Weir, Jumes Galloway
Norman, Henry	Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde)	Whitbread, Howard
Norton, Capt. Cecil William	Schwann, Chas. E. (Manchester)	White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire)
Nussey, Thomas Willans	Scott, A. H.(Ashton under Lyne	White, Luke (York, E.R.)
O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)	Sears, J. E.	White, Patrick (Meath, North)
O'Connor, James(Wicklow, W.)	Seaverns, J. H.	Whitehead, Rowland
O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)	Seddon, J.	Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
O'Doherty, Philip	Shackleton, David James	Wilkie, Alexander
O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)	Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick B.)	Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarth'n
O'Grady, J.	Shipman, Dr. John G.	Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
O'Hare, Patrick	Silcock, Thomas Ball	Wills, Arthur Walters
O'Malley, William	Sinclair, Rt. Hon John	Wilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough)
O'Shaughnessy, P. J.	Sloan, Thomas Henry	Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N.
Parker, James (Halifax)	Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie	Wilson, P. W. (St. Pancras, S.)
Partington, Oswald	Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.)	Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Paul, Herbert	Snowden, P.	Wood, T. M'Kinnon
Paulton, James Mellor	Soames, Arthur Wellesley	Woodhonse, Sir J.T.(Huddersf'd
Pearce, Robert (Staffs. Leek)	Stanger, H. Y.	Young, Samuel
Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden)	Stanley, Hn. A. Lyulph (Chesh.)
Philipps, Col. Ivor (S'thampton)	Steadman, W. C.	TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Philipps, J. Wynford (Pembroke	Stewart, Halley (Greenock)	Mr. Soares and Mr.
Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke)	Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal)	Winfrey.
Power, Patrick Joseph	Strachey, Sir Edward
Price, C. E. (Edinb'gh, Central)	Straus, B. S. (Mile End)
NOES.
Acland-Hood, Rt Hn Sir Alex F.	Craig, Captain James (Down, E.)	Houston, Robert Paterson
Anson, Sir William Reynell	Craik, Sir Henry	Kennaway, Rt. Hon. Sir John H.
Anstruther-Gray, Major	Cross, Alexander	Keayon-Sloney, Rt. Hon. Col. W
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hon. Sir H.	Dalrymple, Viscount	Keswick, William
Balcarres, Lord	Dixon-Hartland, Sir FredDixon	Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.
Balfour, Rt Hn. A.J. (City Lond)	Duncan, Robert(Lanark, Govan	Lane-Fox, G. R.
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)	Faber, George Denison (York)	Liddell, Henry
Banbury, Sir Fred rickGeorge	Fell, Arthur	Lockwood, Rt. Hn. Lt. Col. A.R.
Baring, Hon. Guy (Winchester	Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.	Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Dublin, S)
Beach, Hn. Michael HughHicks	Fletcher, J. S.	Lonsdale, John Brownlee
Beckett, Hon. Gervase	Forster, Heary William	Lowe, Sir Francis William
Bignold, Sir Arthur	Gardner, Ernest (Berks, East)	M'Calmont, Colonel James
Bridgeman, W. Clive	Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West)	Marks, H. H. (Kent)
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. H. M.	Harrison-Broadley, Col. H. B.	Mason, James F. (Windsor)
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.	Hay, Hon. Claude George	Meysey-Thompson, E. C.
Castlereagh, Viscount	Helmsley, Viscount	Nicholson, Wm. G.(Petersfield)
Cave, George	Hervey, F.W.F. (Bury S. Edm'ds	Nield, Herbert
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)	Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury)	O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens
Cecil, Lord John P. Joicey	Hill, Henry Staveley (Staff'sh.)	Pease, HerbertPike(Darlington
Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone, E.)	Hills, J. W.	Percy, Earl
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.	Hobhouse, Charles E. H.	Remnant, James Farquharson
Courthope, G. Lloyd	Hornby, Sir William Henry	Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert

Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert	Valentia, Viscount	Worsley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)	Walker, Col. W. H. (Lancashire	Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Smith, F.E.(Liverpool, Walton)	Walrond, Hon. Lionel	Younger, George
Starkey, John R.	Warde, Col. C. E. (Kent, Mid)
Stone, Sir Benjamin	Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)	TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
Talbot, Rt. Hn. J.G.(Oxf'dUniv.	Willoughby de Eresby, Lord	Mr. Laurence Hardy and
Thomson. W. Mitchell-(Lanark	Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.	Mr. Abel Smith.
Turnour. Viscount	Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm

Question put accordingly "That the words proposed to be left out, to the word

The House divided:—Ayes, 292; Noes, 112. (Division List No. 171.)

AYES.
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.	Cooper, G. J.	Hazelton, Richard
Abraham, William (Rhondda)	Corbett, CH(Sussex, E. Grinst'd	Henderson, Arthur (Durham)
Acland, Francis Dyke	Cornwall, Sir Edwin A.	Henderson, J. M.(Aberdeen, W.)
Adkins, W. Ryland	Cowan, W. H.	Henry, Charles S.
Alden, Percy	Crean, Eugene	Higham, John Sharp
Allen, A. Acland (Christchurch)	Cremer, William Randal	Hobart, Sir Robert
Allen, Charles P. (Stroud)	Crombie, John William	Hogan, Michael
Ashton, Thomas Gair	Crossley, William J.	Howard, Hon. Geoffrey
Astbury, John Meir	Dalziel, James Henry	Hutton, Alfred Eddison
Atherley-Jones, L.	Davies, Timothy (Fulham)	Jaceby, James Alfred
Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth)	Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.	Jardine, Sir J.
Baker, Joseph A. (Finsbury, E.)	Delany, William	Johnson, John (Gateshead)
Balfour, Robert (Lanark)	Devlin, Charles Ramsay(Galw'y)	Jones, David Brynmor(Swansea
Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight)	Dewar, Arthur (Edinburgh. S.)	Jones, William (Carnarvonshire
Barker, John.	Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.	Jowett, F. W.
Barlow, John Emmott (Somers't)	Dickinson, W.H.(St. Pancas, N.	Joyce, Michael
Barlow, Percy (Bedford)	Dillon, John	Kearley, Hudson, E.
Barnard, E. B.	Dodd, John	Kekewich, Sir George
Barran, Rowland Hirst	Dolan, Charles Joseph	Kennedy, Vincent Paul
Barry, E. (Cork, S.)	Donelan, Captain A.	Kilbride, Denis
Beale, W. P.	Duffy, William J.	Kincaid-Smith, Captain
Beauchamp, E.	Duncan, C.(Barrow-in-Furness	King, Alfred John (Knutsford
Bellairs, Carlyon	Duncan, J.H. (York, Otley)	Kitson, Sir James
Benn, W.(T'w'r H'mlets, S. Geo.	Dunne, Major E. Martin(Walsall)	Lamb, Edmund G.(Leominst'r
Bertram, Julius	Edwards, Clement (Denbigh)	Lamb, Ernest H. (Rochester)
Bethell, J. H. (Essex, Romford	Edwards, Enoch (Hanley)	Lambert, George
Bethell, T. R. (Essex, Haldon)	Esmonde, Sir Thomas	Lamont, Norman
Billson, Alfred	Evans, Samuel T.	Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.)
Black, Arthur W.(Bedfordshire	Farrell, James Patrick	Layland-Barratt, Francis
Blake, Edward	Fenwick, Charles	Lea, Hugh Cecil (St. Pancras, E.)
Boland, John	Ferens, T. R.	Leese, Sir Joseph F.(Accrington
Brace, William	Ferguson, R. C. Munro	Lehmann, R. C.
Branch, James	Ffrench, Peter	Lever, A. Levy(Essex, Harwich
Bright, J. A.	Flavin, Michael Joseph	Lever, W. H. (Cheshire, Wirral),
Brunner, J.F.L. (Lancs., Leigh)	Flynn, James Christopher	Lewis, John Herbert
Brunner, Sir John T. (Cheshire)	Foster, Rt. Hon. Sir Walter	Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David
Bryce. Rt. Hn. James (Aberdeen	Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry	Lundon, W.
Bryce, J.A.(Inverness Burghs)	Fullerton, Hugh	Luttrell, Hugh Fownes
Buchanan, Thomas, Ryburn	Gibb, James (Harrow)	Lynch, H. B.
Buckmaster, Stanl y O.	Gill, A. H.	Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester)
Burke, E. Haviland-	Ginnell, L.	Macdonald, J. M. (FalkirkB'ghs
Burns, Rt. Hon. John	Glendinning, R. G.	Mackarness, Frederick C.
Burnyeat, J. D. W.	Greenwood, G. (Peterborough)	MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down,. S.
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas	Greenwood, Hamar (York)	MacVeigh, Chas. (Donegal, E.)
Buxton, Rt. Hn. Sydney Charles	Griffith, Ellis J.	M'Callum, John M.
Byles, William Pollard	Halpin, J.	M'Crae, George
Cairns, Thomas	Hammond, John	M'Killop, W.
Cameron, Robert	Hardy, George A. (Suffolk)	M'Laren, H. D. (Stafford, W.)
CarrGomm, H. W.	Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r	M'Micking, Major G.
Causton, Rt. Hn. RichardKnig't	Harrington, Timothy	Maddison, Frederick
Channing, Francis Allston	Hart-Davies, T.	Mallet, Charles E.
Clarke, C. Goddard	Harwood, George	Manfield, Harry (Northants)
Cleland, J. W.	Haslam, James (Derbyshire)	Mansfield, H. Rendall (Lincoln
Clough, W.	Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth	Marks, G. Croydon(Launceston
Coats, Sir T. Glen(Renfrew, W.)	Haworth, Arthur A.	Marnham, F. J.
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth)	Hayden, John Patrick.	Massie, J.
Condon, Thomas Joseph	Hazel, Dr. A. E.	Meagher, Michael
Menzies, Walter	Rea, Russell (Gloucester!	Summerbell, T.
Micklem, Nathaniel	Reddy, M.	Sutherland, J. E.
Molteno, Percy Alport	Redmond, John E. (Waterford	Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Mond, A.	Redmond, William (Clare)	Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe
Montagu, E. S.	Rees, J. D.	Tennant, Sir Edward(Salisbury
Mooney, J. J.	Rickett, J. Compton	Tennant, H. J. (Berwickshire)
Morgan, J. Lloyd(Carmarthen)	Ridsdale, E. A.	Thomas, Abel(Carmarthen, E.)
Morrell, Philip	Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)	Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.
Morton, Alpheus cleophas	Robertson, Sir G. Scott(Bradf'rd	Thomasson, Franklin
Murnaghan, George	Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside)	Tomkinson, James
Murphy, John	Robinson, S.	Torrance, A. M.
Murray, James	Roche, John (Galway, East)	Ure, Alexander
Myer, Horatio	Rogers, F. E. Newman	Verney, F. W.
Napier, T. B.	Rose, Charles Day	Walker, H. De Rr. (Leicester)
Nicholls, George	Rowlands, J.	Walsh, Stephen
Nicholson, Chas N. (Doncaster	Russell, T. W.	Warde, John (Stoke uponTrent
Nolan, Joseph	Rutherford, V. H. (Brentford)	Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Norman, Henry	Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland)	Wason, John Cathcart-Orkney)
Norton, Capt. Cecil William	Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)	Waterlow, D. S.
Nuttall, Harry	Scarisbrick, T. T. L.	Watt, H. Anderson
O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)	Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde)	Wedgwood, Josiah C.
O'Brien, William (Cork)	Schwann, Chas. E. (Manchester)	Weir, James Galloway
O'Connor, James(Wicklow, W-	Scott, A.H. (Ashton und' Lyne	White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire)
O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)	Sears, J. E.	White, Luke (York, E.R.)
O'Doherty, Philip	Seaverns, J. H.	White, Patrick (Meath, North
O'Donnell. T. (Kerry, W.)	Seddon, J.	Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
O'Grady, J.	Shackleton, David James B.	Wiles, Thomas
O'Hare, Patrick	Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick)	Wilkie, Alexander
O'Malley, William	Shipman, Dr. John G.	Williams, Liewellyn(Carmathen.
O'Shauglinessy, P. J.	Silcock, Thomas Ball	Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Parker, James (Halifax)	Sinclair, Rt. Hon. John	Wilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough)
Paul, Herbert	Sloan, Thomas Henry	Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N.)
Pearce, Robert (Staffs. Leek)	Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie	Wilson, P. W. (St. Pancras, S.)
Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden)	Smyth, Thos. F. (Leitrim, S.)	Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Philipps, Col. Ivor(S'thampton;	Soames, Arthur Wellesley	Wood, T. M'Kinnon
Philipps, J. Wynford(Pembr'ke	Stanger' H. Y.	Woodhouse, Sir JT. (Huddersf'd.
Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke)	Stanley, Hn. A. Lyulph (Chesh.	Young, Samuel
Power, Patrick Joseph	Steadman, W. C.
Price, C. E. (Edinb'gh, Central)	Stewart, Halley (Greenock)	TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr.
Price, Robert John (Norfolk. E,	Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal)	Soares and Mr. Winfrey.
Radford, G. H.	Straus, B. S. (Mile End)
Rainy, A. Rolland	Sullivan, Donal
NOES.
Anson, Sir William Reynell	Cross, Alexander	Houston, Robert Paterson
Anstruther-Gray, Major	Dalrymple, Viscount	Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H.
Armstrong, W. C. Heaton	Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan)	Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hon. Col. W.
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn. Sir H.	Dixon-Hartland, Sir Fred Dixon.	Keswick, William
Balcarres, Lord	Duncan, Robert (LanarkGovan	Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.
Balfour, Rt. Hn. A.J.(CityLond.)	Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne)	Lane-Fox, G. R.
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)	Erskine, David C.	Liddell, Henry
Banbury, Sir Frederick George	Everett, R. Lacey	Lockwood, Rt. Hn. Lt.-Col. A.R.
Baring, Hon. Guy (Winchester)	Faber, George Denison (York)	Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham)
Beach, Hn. Michael Hugh Hicks	Fell, Arthur	Long, Rt. Hn. Walter(Dublin, S.)
Beaumont, W. C. B. (Hexham)	Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.	Lonsdale, John Brownlee
Beck, A. Cecil	Fletcher, J. S.	Lowe, Sir Francis William
Beckett, Hon. Gervase	Forster, Henry William	Lyell, Charles Henry
Bignold, Sir Arthur	Fuller, John Michael F.	Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred
Bridgeman, W. Clive	Gardner, Ernest (Berks, East)	M'Calmont, Colonel James
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. H. M.	Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West)	Marks, H. H. (Kent)
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.	Hardy, Laurence(Kent, Ashford	Mason, James F. (Windsor)
Castlereagh, Viscount	Harrison-Broadley, Col. H. B.	Meysey-Thompson, E. C.
Cave, George	Hay, Hon. Claude George	Nicholson, Win. G.(Petersfield)
Cawley, Frederick	Hedges, A. Paget	Nield, Herbert
Cecil Evelyn (Aston Manor)	Helmsely, Viscount	Nussey, Thomas Willans
Cecil, Lord John P. Joicey-	Herbert, T. Arnold (Wycombe)	O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens
Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone, E.)	Hervey, F. W. F. (Bury S. Edm'ds	Partington, Oswald
Cheetham, John Frederick	Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury)	Pease, Herbert Pike(Darlington)
Cochrane, Thos. H. A. E.	Kill, Henry Staveley(Staff'sh.)	Percy, Earl
Courthope, G. Loyd	Hills, J. W.	Raphael, Herbert
Craig, Capt. James (Down, E.)	Hobhouse, Charles E. H.	Remnant, James Farquharson
Craik, Sir Henry	Hornby, Sir William Henry	Renton, Major Leslie

Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert	Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Lanark	Wills, Arthur Walters
Rothschild, Hon. Lionel Walter	Thornton, Percy M.	Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.)
Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert	Tumour, Viscount	Wolf, Gustav Wilhelm
Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)	Walker, Col. W. H. (Lancashire	Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Smith, Abel H.(Hertford, East)	Walrond, Hon. Lionel	Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Smith, F.E. (Liverpool, Walton)	Warde, Col, C. E. (Kent, Mid)	Younger, George
Snowden, P.	Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Starkey, John R.	Whitbread, Howard	TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Sir
Stone, Sir Benjamin	Whitehead, Rowland	Alexander Acland-Hood and
Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Oxf'd Univ.	Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)	Viscount Valentia.
Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)	Willoughby de Eresby, Lord

'contract,' in page 1, line 24, stand part of the Bill."

MR. COCHRANE

moved to insert "under any "after" or "in Clause 1, subsection (2), line 4. The Amendment was of very considerable interest in Scotland. It was quite obvious that there were many large tenants who were capable of making any arrangements on a perfectly fair and equal basis with their landlords. All sorts of complicated questions arose under the leases in Scotland. There were often different classes of arbitration such as the valuation of sheep stock, the various forms of cropping, etc. Of course the ordinary way when a valuation was to be made was for each party to appoint an arbitrator, and if they could not agree an oversman was appointed on application to the Sheriff. Under this subsection as it stood, all the friendly arrangements which had been made between landlord and tenant in Scotland, which had hitherto worked remarkably well, would be knocked on the head. If only a single arbitrator was appointed, a man who knew nothing of the particular forms of agriculture in the east country might be sent from a dairy country, and in like manner a man might be sent from a dairy country to a potato district, or from a potato district to a cattle-feeding district, to deal with valuations. He contended that the best way was to leave landlord and tenant to arrange as to the mode of arbitration. The hon. Gentleman had referred to a meeting of the Scottish Agricultural Society. He knew something of that body, and at that meeting one of the largest farmers in the country, Mr. Hope of Barney Hill, moved an Amendment against a single arbitrator, stating that he did not believe that the farmers of Scotland would be ready to tie themselves down to the clause as it stood. That Resolution was carried by twenty-one to eighteen. He would remind the House that arbitration was only Substituting one court for another; and why should these responsible duties be placed in the hands of a man who had no particular training for the work? The sub-section interfered with the custom which had subsisted in Scotland for many years, and the object of his Amendment was to save existing tenancies from the operation of the sub-section where arrangements of a contrary nature had been made.

Amendment proposed— In page 1, line 24, after the word 'or' to insert the words under any.'"—(Mr. Cochrane.)

Question proposed, "That these words be there inserted."

MR. SOARES

said that the promoters of the Bill were unable to accept the Amendment. He believed that the principle of a single arbitrator would be good both for the tenant and for the landlord, and he utterly failed to see why existing tenants should not have the benefits which were expected to arise under this provision as well as tenants in the future.

COLONEL KENYON-SLANEY

said that those who supported the Amendment desired to maintain existing contracts entirely without a break, and that was, he believed, what 99 per cent, of the tenants desired should be done. [" No, no."] Hon. Gentlemen said "No, no," but he confidently appealed to the two tenant farmers who had spoken to corroborate what he had said. He did not think that there were more than two tenant farmers in the House, but at all events the two who had spoken had expressed themselves strongly in favour of the position he was now taking up. The Chambers of Commerce were all against the proposed change, and if the opinion of the great majority of tenant farmers was taken on the subject he was sure that they would adopt the attitude which the Opposition were taking up. He personally did not think that this was a question between landlord and tenant. He did not regard it as a landlord question at all. As a landlord himself, he did not regard this measure as of much importance, but he did not think that the tenants were likely to get the results from it which were predicted. After all, the contracts between landlords and tenants had been entered into by reasonable men, with full knowledge on each side of the consequences of their action, and in his opinion nobody could say that in the midland counties, at any rate, the tenants were not able to make these arrangements with the full knowledge of what they meant. He thought, therefore, that the tenants would prefer the arrangements which they themselves had come to, at all events while those arrangements continued in force. In his opinion the measure was not wanted; and it would create a feeling of insecurity on the part of both tenants and landlords.

MR. SHACKLETON (Lancashire, Glitheroe)

was glad to hear that this was not only not a landlord's Bill, but that the hon. Member did think that the tenant farmers had an interest in it. When, however, he considered the debate which had taken place, and the amount of time which had been spent upon the consideration of the Bill in the Committee upstairs, he thought the tenants would appreciate the splendid efforts of their friends in preventing the Bill from becoming law. The Labour Party were sometimes told previous to the last general election that there was a danger that if they were returned they would represent a class interest. The House had had a striking illustration to-day that class interest was not confined to those who represented the Labour Party, but that the landlords were present to represent their own interests and their own class.

MR. SPEAKER

The subject which the hon. Member is now raising will no doubt lead to many speeches in opposition to his views, and it will be very difficult to stop those speeches, and to keep the debate within the lines of the Bill.

MR. SHACKLETON

said he would not pursue the matter further, but he would point out that the Bill was discussed in a very exhaustive manner upstairs, and that it seemed to him that it was a waste of time to raise the same points again and again for the purpose of preventing the Bill from becoming law.

MR. LAMBTON

said the hon. Member who had spoken last seemed to forget that there were 670 Members of the House of Commons who were entitled to discuss this matter. Personally he was not a member of the Committee to which the hon. Member had referred, and he was not acquainted with their decisions, and, the matter coming before the House on Report, he did not think they ought to attach too much importance to what had taken place upstairs. The hon. Member had talked about class interest, and of hon. Members representing one class only. It was precisely there that he had made a great mistake in reference to this particular Bill, and he did not think such references were calculated to facilitate the progress of the measure. He had been a landlord for nearly a quart of a century, and in supporting this Amendment he thought he was supporting the interests of the tenants as well as of the landlords. The hon. Member seemed to have forgotten that during the last twenty-five years there had been great depression in agriculture, and that the landlord now had to accept the tenants' terms instead of the tenant having to accept the landlord's terms. Therefore it was useless in these days for anybody to get up and say that a tenant had entered into any agreement contrary to his wishes.

MR. WALTER LONG

wished to say a few words in reply to what had been said in regard to the attitude taken by himself and his friends. It was said that they were acting contrary to the interests of the tenant farmers; they were content to leave the tenant farmers to judge of their actions. They did not feel it necessary to take exception to the remarks which had been made except to point out that it was an illustration of the class of opposition to which they were exposed. They on that side were acting in the interests of ninety-nine out of a hundred of occupying tenants and also in the interests of the landlords.

Question put.

The House divided:—Ayes 93: Noes 301. (Division List No. 172)

AYES.
Acland-Hood. Rt. Hn. Sir Alex. F	Fuller, John Michael F.	Pease, Herbert Pike(Darlington
Anson, Sir William Reynell	Gardner, Ernest (Berks East,)	Percy, Earl
Anstruther-Gray, Major	Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West)	Remnant, James Farquharson
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn. Sir H.	Hardy, Laurence(Kent. Ashford	Renton, Major Leslie
Balcarres, Lord	Harrison-Broadley, Col. H. B.	Ridsdale, E. A.
Balfour, Rt. Hn. A.J.(CityLond.)	Hay, Hon. Claude George	Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)	Hedges, A. Paget	Rothschild, Hon. Lionel Walter
Banbury, Sir Frederick George	Helmsley, Viscount	Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert
Barlow, Percy (Bedford)	Hervey, F.W.F.(Bury S. Edm'ds	Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Beach, Hn. Michael Hugh Hicks	Hill, Sir Clement(Shrewsbury)	Smith, Abel H.(Hertford, East)
Beale, W, P.	Hills, J. W.	Starkey, John R.
Beckett, Hon. Gervase	Hobhouse, Charles E. H.	Stone, Sir Benjamin
Bignold, Sir Arthur	Hornby, Sir William Henry	Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Oxf'dUniv
Bridgeman, W. Clive	Houston, Sir Robert Paterson	Tennant, Sir Edw. (Salisbury)
Burnyeat, J. D. W.	Kennaway, Rt. Hon. Sir John H.	Thomson, W. Mitchell-(Lanark
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. H. M.	Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hon. Col. W.	Thornton, Percy M.
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.	Keswick, William	Turnour, Viscount
Castlereagh, Viscount	Kincaid-Smith Captain	Walker, Col. W.H.(Lancashire)
Cave, George	Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.	Walrond, Hon. Lionel
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)	Lane-Fox, G. R.	Warde, Col. C E. (Kent, Mid)
Cecil, Lord John P. Joicey-	Liddell, Henry	Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.
Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone, E.)	Lockwood, Rt. Hn. Lt.-Col. A.R.	Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Cheetham, John Frederick	Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham)	Wills, Arthur Walters
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.	Long, Rt. Hn. Walter(Dublin, S.)	Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.
Courthope, G. Loyd	Lonsdale, John Brownlee	Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Craig, Capt. James (Down, E.)	Lowe, Sir Francis William	Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart
Craik, Sir Henry	Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred	Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Dalrymple, Viscount	M'Calmont, Colonel James	Younger, George
Dixon-Hartland, Sir Fred Dixon	Marks, H. H. (Kent)
Faber, George Denison (York)	Mason, James F. (Windsor)	TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Fell, Arthur	Meysey-Thompson, E. C.	Viscount Valentia and Mr.
Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.	Nicholson, Win. G. (Petersfield	Forster.
Fletcher, J. S.	Nield, Herbert
NOES.
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.)	Bright, J. A.	Delany, William
Abraham, William (Rhondda)	Brunner, J.F.L.(Lancs., Leigh)	Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway
Acland, Francis Dyke	Brunner, Sir John T. (Cheshire)	Dewar, Arthur (Edinburgh,S.)
Adkins, W. Ryland	Bryce, J.A.(Inverness Burghs)	Dickinson, W.H.(St. Pancras. N
Alden, Percy	Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn	Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.
Allen, A. Acland (Christchurch)	Buckmaster, Stanley O.	Dodd, W. H.
Allen, Charles P. (Stroud)	Burke, E. Haviland-	Dolan, Charles Joseph
Ashton, Thomas Gair	Burns, Rt. Hon. John	Donelan, Captain A.
Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herbert Henry	Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas	Duffy, William J.
Astbury, John Meir	Buxton, Rt. Hn. Sydney Charles	Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness
Atherley-Jones, L.	Byles, William Pollard	Duncan, J. H. (York, Otley)
Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth)	Cairns, Thomas	Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne)
Baker, Joseph A. (Finsbury, E.)	Cameron, Robert	Dunne, Major Martin (Walsall)
Balfour, Robert (Lanark)	Carr-Gomm, H. W.	Edwards, Clement (Denbigh)
Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight)	Causton, Rt. Hn. Richard Knight	Edwards, Enoch (Hanley)
Barker, John	Channing, Francis Allston	Erskine, David C.
Barlow, John Emmott(Somerset	Clarke, C. Goddard	Esmonde, Sir Thomas
Barnard, E. B.	Cleland, J. W.	Evans, Samuel T.
Barran, Rowland Hirst	Clough, W.	Everett, R. Lacey
Barry, E. (Cork, S.)	Coats, Sir T. Glen (Renfrew, W.)	Farrell, James Patrick
Beauchamp, E.	Collins, Stephen (Lambeth)	Ferens, T. R.
Beck, A. Cecil	Condon, Thomas Joseph	Ferguson, R. C. Munro
Bellairs, Carlyon	Cooper, G. J.	Ffrench, Peter
Benn, W. (T'w'rHamlets, S.Geo.	Corbett,C. H(Sussex,E. Grinst'd	Flavin, Michael Joseph
Bennett, E. N.	Cornwall, Sir Edwin A.	Flynn, James Christopher
Bethell, J. H. (Essex, Romford	Cowan, W. H.	Foster, Rt. Hon. Sir Walter
Bethell, T. R. (Essex, Maldon)	Crean, Eugene	Fullerton, Hugh
Billson, Alfred	Cremer, William Randal	Gibb, James (Harrow)
Black, Arthur W.(Bedfordshire	Crombie, John William	Gill, A. H.
Blake, Edward	Crossley, William J.	Ginnell, L.
Boland, John	Dalziell, James Henry	Glendinning, R. G.
Brace, William	Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan	Greenwood, G. (Peterborough)
Branch, James	Davies, Timothy (Fulham)	Greenwood, Hamar (York)
Griffith, Ellis J.	M'Laren, H. D. (Stafford, W.)	Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Gulland, John W.	M'Micking, Major G.	Scarisbrick, T. T. L.
Halpin, J.	Maddison, Frederick	Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde)
Hammond, John	Mallet, Charles E.	Schwann, Chas. E. (Manchester
Hardy, George A. (Suffolk)	Manfield, Harry (Northants)	Scott, A. H.(Ashton-und.-Lyne
Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r)	Mansfield, H. Rendall (Lincoln	Sears, J. E.
Harrington, Timothy	Marks, H. Croydon(Launceston	Seaverns, J. H.
Hart-Davies, T.	Marnham, F. J.	Seddon, J.
Harwood, George	Massie, J.	Shackleton, David James
Haslam, James (Derbyshire)	Meagher, Michael	Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick B.
Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth)	Menzies, Walter	Shipman, Dr. John G.
Haworth, Arthur A.	Micklem, Nathaniel	Silcock, Thomas Ball
Hayden, John Patrick	Molteno, Percy Alport	Sinclair, Rt. Hon. John
Hazel, Dr. A. E.	Mond, A.	Sloan, Thomas Henry
Hazleton, Richard	Montagu, E. S.	Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie
Healey, Timothy Michael	Montgomery, H. H.	Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.
Henderson, Arthur (Durham)	Mooney, J. J.	Snowden, P.
Henderson, J.M.(Aberdeen, W.)	Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)	Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Henry, Charles S.	Morrell, Philip	Stanger, H. Y.
Herbert, T. Arnold (Wycombe)	Morton, Alpheus Cleophas	Stanley, Hn. A. Lyulph (Chesh.)
Higham, John Sharp	Murnaghan, George	Steadman, W. C.
Hobart, Sir Robert	Murphy, John	Stewart, Halley (Greenock)
Hogan, Michael	Murray, James	Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal)
Holden, E. Hopkinson	Myer, Horatio	Strachey, Sir Edward
Hooper, A. G.	Napier, T. B.	Straus, B. S. (Mile End)
Howard, Hon. Geoffrey	Nicholls, George	Sullivan, Donal
Hutton, Alfred Eddison	Nicholson, Chas. N. (Doncast'r)	Summerbell, T.
Hyde, Clarendon	Nolan, Joseph	Sutherland, J. E.
Jackson, R. S.	Norton, Capt. Cecil William	Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Jacoby, James Alfred	Nussey, Thomas Willans	Taylor, Theodore C.(Radcliffe;
Jardine, Sir J.	Nuttall, Harry	Tennant, H. J. (Berwickshire)
Johnson, John (Gateshead)	O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)	Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)
Jones, David Brynmor (Swansea	O'Brien, William (Cork)	Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.)
Jones, Leif (Appleby)	O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.)	Thomasson, Franklin
Jones, William (Carnarvonshire	O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)	Tomkinson, James
Jowett, F. W.	O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)	Torrance, A. M.
Joyce, Michael	O'Doherty, Philip	Ure, Alexander
Kearley, Hudson E.	O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)	Verney, F. W.
Kekewicli, Sir George	O'Grady, J.	Walker, H. De R. (Leicester)
Kennedy, Vincent Paul	O'Hare, Patrick	Walsh, Stephen
Kilbride, Denis	O'Malley, William	Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent
King, Alfred John (Knustford)	O'Shaughnessy, P. J.	Ward, W. Dudley (Southampton
Kitson, Sir James	Parker, James (Halifax)	Warner Thomas Courtenay T.
Lamb, Ernest H. (Rochester)	Paul, Herbert	Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Lambert, George	Pearce, Robert (Staffs. Leek)	Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney)
Lamont, Norman	Pearce, J. A. (Saffron Walden)	Watt H Anderson
Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.)	Philipps, Col. Ivor (S'thampton)	Wedgwood Josiah C.
Layland-Barratt, Francis	Philipps, J. Wynford (Pembroke	Weir James Galloway
Lea, Hugh Cecil (St. Pancras, E	Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke)	White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire
Leese, Sir Joseph F.(Accrington)	Power, Patrick Joseph	White' Luke (York E. R.)
Price, C. E. (Edinb'gh, Central	Lever, A. Levy(Essex, Harwich)	White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Lever, A. Levy (Essex, Harwich)	Price, Robert John (Norfolk E.	Whitfhead Rowland
Lever, W.H. (Cheshire, Wirral)	Rainy, A. Rolland	Whitely, J.H. (Halifax)
Lewis, John Herbert	Raphael, Herbert H.	Wiles. Thomas
Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David	Rea, Russell (Gloucester)	Wilkie, Alexander
Lough, Thomas	Reddy, M.	Williams, Llewelyn (Carm'rth'n)
Lundon, W.	Redmond,, John E. (Waterford	Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Lupton, Arnold	Redmond, William (Clare)	Wilson, Hn. C. H. W. (Hull. W.)
Luttrell, Hugh Fownes	Rees, J. D.	Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N.
Lynch, H. B.	Rickett, J. Compton	Wilson, P. W. (St. Pancras, S.)
Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester)	Robertson, Sir G. Scott(Bradf'rd)	Wilson W T (Westhoughton
Macdonald, J.M.(Falkirk B'ghs	Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside)	Wood T M'Kinnon
Mackarness, Frederic C.	Robinson, S.	Woodhouse, Sir J.T.(Huddersf'd
MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down, S.	Roche, John (Galway, East)	Young, Samuel
MacVeigh, Chas. (Donegal, E.	Rose, Charles Day
M'Callum, John M.	Rowlands, J.	TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.
M'Crae, George	Russell, T. W.	Soares and Mr. Winfrey.
M'Kenna, Reginald	Rutherford, V. H. (Brentford
M'Killop, W.	Samuel, Herbert L.(Cleveland)

SIR E. CARSON

moved to insert after the word "tenants," the words relating to compensation for improvements." He pointed out that the House up to a short time previously was under the impression that this clause was to substitute one arbitrator for the two insisted upon in the previous Act for this purpose, but they had now ascertained that the subsection went much further, and meant that the arbitrator was to deal not only with questions in dispute as to improvements, but with every case of dispute under the agreements which had been entered into. If anybody turned to the Agricultural Holdings Act of 1900 which set up the principle of arbitration, and which this section amended, they would find that that arbitration was to be confined to compensation for improvements. The words of the section of the present Bill were the words of the second section of the Act of 1900, except that the words "compensation for improvements "were left out to make it wider. Unless it was intended to abrogate the rights of landlords and tenants under the agreements entered into, he could not see the reason for this Bill widening that section in this way.

Amendment proposed— In page 1, line 54, after the word 'tenancy' to insert the words 'relating to compensation for improvements."'—(Sir Edward Carson.)

Question proposed, "That those words be there inserted."

SIR W. ROBSON

said no doubt the subsection did extend the principle of the single arbitrator to all cases in which arbitration was provided for. He thought there was no very essential

distinction so far as the tribunal for dealing with them was concerned, between compensation cases and other cases.

SIR F. BANBURY

said the Solicitor-General appeared, like the hon. member for Clitheroe, to be in favour of taking away freedom of contract from everybody, and of setting up a particular class of persons to judge what other people might do. It was monstrous that when two people desired to take a certain course, the hon. member for Clitheroe, or somebody equally ignorant of agricultural matters, should step in and say they should not be allowed to do so.

Mr. SOARES

rose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put;" but Mr. SPEAKER withheld his assent, and declined then to put that Question.

SIR F. BANBURY

said that that was an illustration of the manner in which the Bill had been conducted, and he would say no more.

Mr. ABEL SMITH

rose to continue the debate, but

Mr. SOARES

rose in his place, and claimed to move; "That the Question be now put."

Question put, "That the Question lie now put."

The House divided:—Ayes, 319; Noes, 85. (Division List, No. 173.)

AYES.
Abraham William, (Cork, N.E.	Beale, W. P.	Buckmaater, Stanley O.
Abraham, William (Rhondda)	Beauchamp, E.	Burke, E. Haviland-
Acland, Francis Dyke	Beaumont, W. C. B. (Hexham)	Burns, Rt. Hon. John
Adkins, W. Ryland	Beck, A. Cecil	Burnyeat, J. D. W.
Alden, Percy	Bellairs, Carlyon	Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas
Allen, A. Acland (Christchurch)	Benn, W.(T'w'r Hamlets, S. Geo.	Buxton, Rt. Hn. Sydney Chas.
Allen, Charles P. (Stroud)	Bennett, E. N.	Byles, William Pollard
Astbury, John Meir	Bethell, T. R. (Essex, Maldon)	Cairns, Thomas
Atherley-Jones, L.	Billson, Alfred	Cameron, Robert
Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth)	Black, Arthur W.(Bedfordshire	Carr-Gomm, H. W.
Baker, Joseph A.(Finsbury, E.)	Blake, Edward	Causton, Rt. Hn Richard Knight
Balfour, Robert (Lanark)	Boland, John	Cawley, Frederick
Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight)	Bolton, T.D.(Derbyshire, N.E.)	Channing, Francis Allston
Barker, John	Brace, William	Cheetham, John Frederick
Barlow, John Emmott (Somers't	Branch, James	Churchill, Winston Spencer
Barlow, Percy (Bedford)	Brunner, J.F.L. (Lanes., Leigh)	Clarke, C. Goddard
Barnard, E. B.	Brunner, Sir John T. (Cheshire)	Cleland, J. W.
Barran, Rowland Hirst	Bryce, J.A. (Inverness Burghs)	Clough, W.
Barry, E. (Cork, S.)	Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn	Coats, Sir T. Glen (Rentrew, W.)
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth)	Horniman, Emslie John	Norton, Capt. Cecil William
Condon, Thomas Joseph	Howard, Hon. Geoffrey	Nussey, Thomas Willans
Cooper, G. J.	Hutton, Alfred Eddison	Nuttall, Harry
Corbett, CH.(Sussex, E. Grinst'd	Hyde, Clarendon	O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A.	Jackson, R. S.	O'Brien, William (Cork)
Crean, Eugene	Jacoby, James Alfred	O'Connor, James (Wicklow. W.
Cremer, William Randal	Jardine, Sir J.	O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)
Crombie, John William	Jones, David Brynmor(Swansea	O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)
Crossley, William J.	Jones, Leif (Appleby)	O'Doherty, Philip
Dalziel, James Henry	Jones, William (Carnarvonshire	O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)
Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan	Jowett, F. W.	O'Grady, J.
Davies, Timothy (Fulham)	Joyce, Michael	O'Hare, Patrick
Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.)	Kearley, Hudson E.	O'Malley, William
Delany, William	Kekewich, Sir George	O'Shaughnessy, P. J.
Devlin, Charles Ramsay(Galw'y	Kennedy, Vincent Paul	Parker, James (Halifax)
Dewar, Arthur (Edinburgh, S.)	Kilbride, Denis	Partington, Oswald
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.	Kincaid-Smith, Captain	Paul, Herbert
Dickinson, W.H.(St. Pancras, N.	King, Alfred John (Knutsford)	Paulton, James Mellor
Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.	Kitson, Sir James	Pearce, Robert (Staffs. Leek)
Dillon, John	Lamb, Ernest H. (Rochester)	Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden)
Dodd, W. H.	Lambert, George	Philipps, Col. Ivor (S'thampton)
Dolan, Charles Joseph	Lamont, Norman	Philipps, J. Wynford (Pembroke
Donelan, Captain A.	Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.)	Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke)
Duffy, William J.	Layland-Barratt, Francis	Power, Patrick Joseph
Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness	Lea, Hugh Cecil(St. Pancras, E.	Price, C.E.(Edinburgh, Central)
Duncan, J. H. (York, Otley)	Leese, Sir Joseph F.(Accrington	Price, Robert John(Norfolk, E.),
Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne)	Lehmann, R. C.	Rainy, A. Holland
Dunne, Major E. Martin(Walsall	Lever, A. Levy (Essex, Harwich)	Raphael, Herbert H.
Edwards, Clement (Denbigh)	Lever, W. H. (Cheshire, Wirral)	Rea, Russell (Gloucester)
Edwards, Enoch (Hanley)	Lewis, John Herbert	Reddy, M.
Erskine, David C.	Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David	Redmond, John E. (Waterford
Esmonde, Sir Thomas	Lough, Thomas	Redmond, William (Clare)
Evans, Samuel T.	Lundon, W.	Rees, J. D.
Everett, R. Lacey	Lupton, Arnold	Renton, Major Leslie
Farrell, James Patrick	Luttrell, Hugh Fownes	Richards, T.F. (Wolverh'mpt'n.
Ferens, T. R.	Lyell, Charles Henry	Rickett, J. Compton
Ferguson, R. C. Munro	Lynch, H. B.	Ridsdale, E. A.
Ffrench, Peter	Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester)	Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) fl
Flavin, Michael Joseph	Macdonald, J.M. (Falkirk B'ghs	Robertson, SirGScott(Bradf'rd,
Flynn, James Christopher	Mackarness, Frederic C.	Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside
Foster, Rt. Hon. Sir Walter	MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down, S.	Robinson, S.
Fuller, John Michael F.	MacVeigh, Charles(Donegal, E.)	Robson, Sir William Snowdon
Fullerton, Hugh	M'Crae, George	Roche. John (Galway, East)
Gibb, James (Harrow)	M'Kenna, Reginald	Roe, Sir Thomas
Ginnell, L.	M'Killop, W.	Rogers, F. E. Newman
Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herbert John	M'Laren, H. D. (Stafford, W.)	Rose, Charles Day
Greenwood, G. (Peterborough	M'Micking, Major G.	Rowlands, J.
Greenwood, Hamar (York)	Maddison, Frederick	Russell, T. W.
Griffith, Ellis J.	Mallet, Charles E.	Rutherford, V. H. (Brentford)
Gulland, John W.	Manfield, Harry (Northants)	Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland).
Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B.	Mansfield, H. Rendall (Lincoln)	Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Halpin, J.	Marks, G. Croydon(Launceston)	Scarisbrick, T. T. L.
Hammond, John	Marnham, F. J.	Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde)
Hardy, George A. (Suffolk)	Massie, J.	Schwann, Chas. E. (Manchester
Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r)	Meagher, Michael	Scott, A.H. (Ashton-und.-Lyne
Harrington, Timothy	Menzies, Walter	Sears, J. E.
Hart-Davies, T.	Micklem, Nathaniel	Seaverns, J. H.
Harwood, George	Molteno, Percy Alport	Seddon, J.
Haslam, James (Derbyshire)	Mond, A.	Shackleton, David James
Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth)	Montagu, E. S.	Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick, P.
Haworth, Arthur A.	Montgomery, H. H.	Shipman, Dr. John G.)
Hayden, John Patrick	Mooney, J. J.	Silcock, Thomas Ball
Hazel, Dr. A. E.	Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen	Sinclair, Rt. Hon. John
Hazleton, Richard	Morrell, Philip	Sloan, Thomas Henry
Henderson, Arthur (Durham)	Morton, Alpheus Cleophas	Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie
Henderson, J.M.(Aberdeen, W.	Murnaghan, George	Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.
Henry, Charles S.	Murphy, John	Snowdon, P.
Herbert, T. Arnold (Wycombe)	Murray, James	Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Higham, John Sharp	Myer, Horatio	Stanger, H. Y.
Hobhouse, Charles E. H.	Napier, T. B.	Stanley, Hn. A. Lyulph (Chesh.)
Hogan, Michael	Nicholls, George	Steadman, W. C.
Holden, E. Hopkinson	Nicholson, Charles N. (Doncast'r	Stewart, Halley (Greenock)
Hooper, A. G.	Nolan, Joseph	Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal)

Strachey, Sir Edward	Waker, H. De R. (Leicester)	Wilkie, Alexander
Straus, B. S. (Mile End)	Walsh, Stephen	Williams, Llewelyn (Carm'rth'n
Sullivan, Donal	Walters, John Tudor	Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Sutherland, J. E.	Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent	Wills, Arthur Walters
Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)	Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.	Wilson, Hon. C.H.W. (Hull, W.)
Taylor, John W. (Durham)	Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)	Wilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough)
Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)	Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney)	Wilson, J.W. (Worcestersh. N.)
Tennant, Sir Edward (Salisb'ry	Watt, H. Anderson	Wilson, P. W. (St. Pancras, S.)
Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)	Wedgwood, Josiah C.	Wood, T. M'Kinnon
Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.	Weir, James Galloway	Woodhouse, Sir JT.(Huddersfi'd
Thomasson, Franklin	White, J.D. (Dumbartonshire)	Young, Samuel
Tomkinson, James	White, Luke (York, E.R.)
Torrance, A. M.	White, Patrick (Meath, North)	TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr.
Toulmin, George	Whitehead, Rowland	Soares and Mr. Winfrey.
Ure, Alexander	Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Verney, P. W.	Wiles, Thomas
NOES.
Anson, Sir William Reynell	Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.	Nicholson, Wm. G. (Petersrield)
Anstruther-Gray, Major	Fletcher, J. S.	Nield, Herbert
Arkwright, John Stanhope	Forster, Henry William	Pease, HerbertPike (Darlington
Ashley, W. W.	Gardner, Ernest (Berks, East)	Percy, Earl
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn. Sir H.	Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West)	Remnant, James Farquharson
Balcarres, Lord	Haddock, George R.	Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Balfour, Rt Hn. A. J. (City Lond.)	Hardy, Laurence (Kent, Ashf rd	Rothschild, Hon. Lionel Walter
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)	Harrison-Broadley, Col. H. B.	Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert
Banbury, Sir Frederick George	Hay, Hon. Claude George	Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Beach, Hn. Michael Hugh Hicks	Helmsley, Viscount	Smith, Abel H.(Hertford, East)
Beckett, Hon. Gervase	Hervey, F.W.F(Bury S Edm'ds	Starkey, John R.
Bignold, Sir Arthur	Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury)	Stone, Sir Benjamin
Boyle, Sir Edward	Hills, J. W.	Talbot, Rt, Hn. J.G(Oxf d Univ.
Bridgeman, W. Clive	Hornby, Sir William Henry	Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Lanark
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. H. M.	Houston, Robert Paterson	Thornton, Percy M.
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.	Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H.	Tumour, Viscount
Castlereagh, Viscount	Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hn. Col. W.	Walker, Col. W. H. (Lancashire)
Cave, George	Keswick, William	Walrond, Hon. Lionel
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)	Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.	Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Cecil, Lord John P. Joicey-	Lane-Fox, G. R.	Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone, E.)	Liddell, Henry	Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.)
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.	Lockwood, Rt. Hn. Lt.-Col. A.R.	Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Courthope, G. Loyd	Long, Rt. Hn. Walter(Dublin, S)	Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Craig, Capt. James (Down, E.)	Lonsdale, John Brownlee	Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Craik, Sir Henry	Lowe, Sir Francis William	Younger, George
Cross, Alexander	Lyttleton, Rt. Hon. Alfred
Dalrymple, Viscount	M'Calmont, Colonel James	TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Sir
Dixon-Hartland, SirFredDixon	Marks, H. H. (Kent)	Alexander Acland-Hood and
Faber, George Denison (York)	Mason, James F. (Windsor)	Viscount Valentia.
Fell, Arthur	Meysey-Thompson, E. C.

Question put accordingly, "That the words 'relating to compensation for improvements 'be there inserted.'"

The House divided:—Ayes, 88; Noes, 304. (Division List, No. 174).

AYES.
Anson, Sir William Reynell	Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. H. M.	Fell, Arthur
Anstruther-Gray, Major	Carson, Et. Hon. Sir Edw. H.	Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.
Arkwright, John Stanhope	Castlereagh, Viscount	Fletcher,; J. S.
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hon Sir H	Cave, George	Forster, Henry Wiliam
Balcarres, Lord	Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)	Fuller, John Michael F.
Balfour, Rt Hn. A. J(City Lond.)	Cecil, Lord John P. Joicey-	Gardner, Ernest (Berks, East)
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)	Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone, E.)	Haddock, George R.
Banbury, Sir Frederick George	Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H.A.E.	Hardy, Laurence(Kent, Ashford
Beach, Hn Michael Hugh Hicks	Courthope, G. Loyd	Hay, Hon. Claude George
Beaumont, W. C. B. (Hexham)	Craig, Captain James(Down,E.)	Helmsley, Viscount
Beckett, Hon. Gervase	Craik, Sir Henry	Hervey, F.W.F.(Bury S. Edm'ds
Bethell, T. R. (Essex, Maldon)	Cross, Alexander	Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury)
Bignold, Sir Arthur	Dalrymple, Viscount	Hills, J. W.
Boyle, Sir Edward	Dixon-Hartland, Sir Fred Dixon	Hobhouse, Charles E. H.
Bridgeman, W. Clive	Faber, George Denison (York)	Hornby, Sir William Henry
Houston, Robert Paterson	Morpeth, Viscount	Thornton, Percy M.
Kennaway, Rt. Hon Sir John H.	Nicholson, Wm. G.(Petersfield)	Turnour, Viscount
Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hn. Col. W.	Nield, Herbert	Walker, Col. W. H.(Lancashire)
Keswick, William	Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington	Walrond, Hon. Lionel
Lambton, Kou. Frederick Wm	Percy, Earl	Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Lane-Pox, G. R.	Remnant, James Farquharson	Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Liddell, Henry	Ridsdale, E. A.	Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.
Lockwood, Rt. Hn Lt.-Col, A.R.	Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert	Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Long, Rt. Hn. Walter(Dublin, S.)	Rothschild, Hon. Lionel Walter	Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart.
Lonsdale, John Brownlee	Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)	Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Lowe, Sir Francis William	Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)	Younger, George
Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred	Starkey, John R.
M'Calmont, Colonel James	Stone, Sir Benjamin	TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir
Marks, H. H. (Kent)	Talbot, Rt. Hn. J.G.(Oxf'dUniv.	Alexander Acland-Hood and
Mason, James F. (Windsor)	Tennant, Sir Edward(Salisbury	Viscount Valentia.
Meysey-Thompson, E. C.	Thomson, W. Mitchell-(Lanark)
NOES
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E).	Clough, W.	Harrington, Timothy
Abraham, William (Rhondda)	Coats, Sir T. Glen (Renfrew, W.)	Hart-Davies, T.
Acland, Francis Dyke	Collins, Stephen (Lambeth)	Harwood, George
Adkins, W. Ryland	Condon, Thomas Joseph	Haworth, Arthur A.
Alden, Percy	Cooper, G. J.	Hayden, John Patrick
Allen, A. Acland (Christchurch)	Corbett, C.H.(Sussex, EGrinst'd	Hazel, Dr. A. E.
Allen, Charles P. (Stroud)	Cornwall, Sir Edwin A.	Hazleton, Richard
Astbury, John Meir	Crean, Eugene	Healy, Timothy Michael
Atherley-Jones, L.	Cremer, William Randal	Henderson, Arthur (Durham)
Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth)	Crombie, John William	Henderson, J. M (Aberdeen, W.)
Baker, Joseph A. (Finsbury. E.)	Dalziel, James Henry	Henry, Charles S.
Balfour, Robert (Lanark)	Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan	Herbert, T. Arnold (Wycombe)
Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight)	Davies, Timothy (Fulham)	Higham, John Sharp
Barker, John	Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.)	Hogan, Michael
Barlow, John Emmott (Somerset	Delany, William	Holden, E. Hopkinson
Barlow, Percy (Bedford)	Devlin, Charles Ramsay(Galway	Hooper, A. G.
Barnard, E. B.	Dewar, Arthur (Edinburgh, S.)	Horniman, Emslie John
Barran, Rowland Hirst	Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.	Howard, Hon. Geoffrey
Barry, E. (Cork, S.)	Dickinson, W.H.(St Pancras. N.	Hutton, Alfred Eddison
Beale, W. P.	Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.	Hyde, Clarendon
Beauchamp, E.	Dillon, John	Isaacs, Rufus Daniel
Beck, A. Cecil	Dodd, W. H.	Jackson, R. S.
Belloc, Hilaire Joseph Peter R.	Dolan, Charles Joseph	Jacoby, James Alfred
Benn, W.(T'w'r Hamlets, S. Geo.	Donelan, Captain A.	Jones, David Brynmor(Swansea
Bennett, E. N.	Duffy, William J.	Jones, Leif (Appleby)
Billson, Alfred	Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness	Jones, William (Carnarvonshire
Black, Arthur W. (Bedfordshire	Duncan, J. H. (York, Otley)	Jowett, F. W.
Blake, Edward	Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne)	Joyce, Michael
Boland, John	Dunne, Major E. Martin (Walsall	Kearley, Hudson E.
Bolton, T.D. (Derbyshire, N.E.)	Edwards, Clement (Denbigh)	Kekewich, Sir George
Brace, William	Erskine, David C.	Kennedy, Vincent Paul
Branch, James	Esmonde, Sir Thomas	Kilbride, Denis
Bright, J. A.	Evans, Samuel T.	Kincaid-Smith, Captain
Brunner, J. F. L. (Lanes.,Leigh)	Everett, R. Lacey	King, Alfred John (Knutsford)
Brunner, Sir John T. (Cheshire)	Farrell, James Patrick	Kitson, Sir James
Bryce, Rt. Hn. James(Aberdeen	Ferens, T. R.	Lambert, George
Bryce, J. A.(Inverness Burghs)	Ferguson, R. C. Munro	Lamont, Norman
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn	Ffrench, Peter	Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.)
Buckmaster, Stanley O.	Flavin, Michael Joseph	Layland-Barratt, Francis
Burke, E. Haviland	Flynn, James Christopher	Lea, Hugh Cecil (St. Pancras. E.
Burnyeat, J. D. W.	Foster, Rt. Hon. Sir Walter	Leese, Sir Joseph F. (Accrington
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas	Fullerton, Hugh	Lehmann, R. C.
Buxton, Rt. Hn. Sydney Charles	Gibb, James (Harrow)	Lever, A. Levy (Essex, Harwich]
Byles, William Pollard	Ginnell, L.	Lever, W. H. (Cheshire, Wirral)
Cairns, Thomas	Greenwood, G. (Peterborough)	Lewis, John Herbert
Cameron, Robert	Greenwood, Hamar (York)	Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David
Causton, Rt. Hn. Richard Knight	Griffith, Ellie J.	Lough, Thomas
Cawley, Frederick	Gulland, John W.	Lundon, W.
Channing, Francis Allston	Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B.	Lupton, Arnold
Cheetham, John Frederick	Halpin, J.	Luttrell, Hugh Fownes
Churchill, Winston Spencer	Hammond, John	Lyell, Charles Henry
Clarke, C. Goddard	Hardy, George A. (Suffolk)	Lynch, H. B.
Cleland, J. W.	Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r)	Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester)

Macdonald, J.M.(Falkirk B'ghs	Paul, Herhert	Stanger, H. Y.
Markarness, Frederic C.	Paulton, James Mellor	Stanley, Hn. A. Lyulph (Chesh.
MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down, S.	Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek)	Steadman, W. C.
MacVeigh, Charles(Donegal, E.)	Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden)	Stewart, Halley (Greenock)
M'Crae, George	Philipps, J Wynford(Pembroke	Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal)
M'Kenna, Reginald	Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke)	Strachey, Sir Edward
M'Killop, W.	Power, Patrick Joseph	Straus, B. S. (Mile End)
M'Laren, H. D. (Stafford, W.)	Price. C E.(Edinburgh, Central)	Sullivan, Donal
M'Micking, Major C.	Price, Robert John(Norfolk, E.)	Sutherland, J. E.
Maddison, Frederick	Rainy, A. Holland	Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Mallet, Charles E.	Raphael, Herbert H.	Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Manfield, Harry (Northants)	Rea, Russell (Gloucester)	Taylor, Theodore C: (Radcliffe)
Mansfield, H. Rendall (Lincoln)	Reddy, M.	Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)
Marks, G Croydon (Launceston)	Redmond, John E.(Waterford)	Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.)
Marnbam, F. J.	Redmond, William (Clare)	Thomasson, Franklin
Massie, J.	Rees, J. D.	Tomkinson, James
Meagher, Michael	Renton, Major Leslie	Torrance, A. M.
Menzies, Walter	Richards. T. F.(Wolverh'mpt'n	Toulmin, George
Micklem, Nathaniel	Rickett, J. Compton	Ure, Alexander
Molteno, Percy Alport	Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)	Verney, F. W.
Mond, A.	Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradf'rd	Walker, H. De R. (Leicester)
Montagu, E. S.	Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside)	Walsh, Stephen
Montgomery, H. H.	Robinson, S.	Walters, John Tudor
Mooney, J. J.	Robson, Sir William Snowdon	Ward, John (Stoke upon Trent)
Morgan, J Lloyd (Carmarthen)	Roche, John (Galway, East)	Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Morrell, Philip	Roe, Sir Thomas	Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Morton, Alpheus Cleophas	Rogers, F. E. Newman	Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney)
Murnaghan, George	Rose, Charles Day	Watt, H. Anderson
Murphy, John	Rowlands, J.	Wedgwood, Josiah C.
Murray, James	Russell, T. W.	Weir, James Galloway
Myer, Horatio	Rutherford, V. H. (Brentford)	White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire)
Napier, T. B.	Samuel, Herbert L.(Cleveland)	White, Luke (York, E.R.)
Nicholls, George	Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)	White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Nicholson, CharlesN,.(Doncastr	Scarisbrick, T. T. L.	Whitehead, Rowland
Nolan, Joseph	Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde)	Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Norman, Henry	Schwann, Chas E. (Manchester)	Wiles, Thomas
Nussey, Thomas Willans	Scott, A. H.(Ashton under Lyne	Wilkie, Alexander
Nuttall, Harry	Sears, J. E.	Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarth'n
O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)	Seaverns, J. H.	Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
O'Connor, James(Wicklow, W.)	Seddon, J.	Wills, Arthur Walters
O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)	Shackleton, David James	Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N.
O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)	Shaw, Rt, Hon. T.(Hawick B.)	Wilson, P. W. (St. Pancras, S.>
O'Doherty, Philip	Shipman, Dr. John G.	Wood, T. M'Kinnon
O'Donnell, T. (Kerry. W.)	Silcock, Thomas Ball	Woodhouse, Sir J.T.(Hudd'rsf'd.
O'Grady. J	Sinclair, Rt. Hon. John	Young, Samuel
O'Hare, Patrick	Sloan, Thomas Henry
O'Malley. William	Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie	TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.
O'Shauglmessy, P. J. Parker, James (Halifax)	Smyth, Thomas F.(Leitrim, S.)	Soares and Mr. Winfrey.
Parker, James (Halifax)	Snowdon, P.
Partington, Oswald	Soames, Arthur Wellesley

ME. SOARES

claimed, "That the Question, 'That the words of the Bill to the end of Clause 1 stand part of the Bill, be now put."

The House divided: Ayes, 296;—, 80. (Division List No. 175.)

AYES.
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.)	Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth)	Barran, Rowland Hirst
Abraham, William (Rhondda)	Baker, Joseph A.(Finsbury, E.)	Barry, E. (Cork, S.)
Acland, Francis Dyke	Balfour, Robert (Lanark)	Beale, W. P.
Adkins, W. Ryland	Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight)	Boauchamp, E.
Alden, Percy	Barker, John	Beaumont, W. C. B. (Hexham),
Allen, A. Acland (Christchurch)	Barlow, John Emmott (Somerset	Beck, A. Cecil
Allen, Charles P. (Stroud)	Barlow, Percy (Bedfcrd)	Bellairs, Carlyon
Astbury, John Meir	Barnard, E. B.	Belloc, Hilaire Joseph Peter R

Question put, "That the Question, 'That the words of the Bill to the end of Clause 1 stand part, of the Bill' be now put."

Benn, W. (T'w'r Hamlets, S Geo.	Gill, A. H.;	Mallet, Charles E.
Bennett, E. N.	Greenwood, G. (Peterborough)	Manfield, Harry (Northants)
Bethell, T. R. (Essex, Maldon)	Greenwood, Hamar (York)	Mansfield, H. Rendall (Lincoln
Billson, Alfred	Gulland, John W.	Marks, G. Croydon(Launceston)
Black, Arthur W. (Bedfordshire	Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B.	Marnham, F. J.
Blake, Edward	Halpin, J.	Massie, J.
Boland, John	Hammond, John	Meagher, Michael
Bolton, T. D. (Derbyshire, N.E.)	Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r)	Menzies, Walter
Brace, William	Harrington, Timothy	Micklem, Nathaniel
Branch, James	Harwood, George	Molteno, Percy Alport
Bright, J. A.	Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth)	Mond, A.
Brunner, J.F.L. (Lanes., Leigh)	H worth, Arthur A.	Montagu, E. S.
Brunner, Sir John T. (Cheshire)	Hayden, John Patrick	Montgomery, H. H.
Bryce, J. A. (Inverness Burghs)	Hazel, Dr. A. E.	Mooney, J. J.
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn	Hazleton, Richard	Morrell, Philip
Buckmaster, Stanley O.	Healy, Timothy Michael	Morton, Alpheus Cleophas
Burke, E. Haviland-	Hedges, A. Paget	Murphy, John
Burnyeat, J. D. W.	Henderson, Arthur (Durham)	Murray, James
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas	Henderson, J. M. (Aberdeen, W.)	Myer, Horatio
Byles, William Pollard	Henry, Charles S.	Napier, T. B.
Cairns, Thomas	Herbert, T. Arnold (Wycombe)	Nicholls, George
Cameron, Robert	Higham, John Sharp	Nicholson, Chas. N. (Doncast'r)
Causton, Rt. Hn. Richard Knight	Hobart, Sir Robert	Nolan, Joseph
Cawley, Frederick	Hobhouse, Charles E. H.	Norton, Capt. Cecil William
Channing, Francis Allston	Hogan, Michael	Nuttall, Harry
Cheetham, John Frederick	Holden, E. Hopkinson	O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Churchill, Winston Spencer	Hooper, A. G.	O'Brien, William (Cork)
Clarke, C. Goddard	Horniman, Emslie John	O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.)
Cleland, J. W.	Howard, Hon. Geoffrey	O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)
Clough, W.	Hutton, Alfred Eddison	O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)
Coats, Sir T. Glen. (Renfrew, W.)	Hyde, Clarendon	O'Doherty, Philip
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth)	Isaacs, Rufus Daniel	O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)
Condon, Thomas Joseph	Jackson, R. S.	O'Grady, J.
Cooper, G. J.	Jones, David Brynmor (Swansea	O'Hare, Patrick
Corbett, C.H.(Sussex, E. Grinst'd	Jones, Leif (Appleby)	O'Malley, William
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A.	Jones, William (Carnarvonshire	O'Shaughnessy, P. J.
Crean, Eugene	Joyce, Michael	Parker, James (Halifax)
Cremer, William Randal	Kearley, Hudson E.	Partington, Oswald
Crombie, John William	Kekewich, Sir George	Paul, Herbert
Dalziel, James Henry	Kennedy, Vincent Paul	Pearce, Robert (Staffs. Leek)
Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan	Kilbride, Denis	Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden)
Davies, Timothy (Fulham)	Kincaid-Smith, Captain	Philipps, Col. Ivor (S'thampton)
Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.)	King, Alfred John (Knutsford)	Philipps, J. Wynford (Pembroke
Delany, William	Kitson, Sir James	Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke) J
Devlin, Charles Ramsay (Galway)	Lamb, Ernest H. (Rochester)	Power, Patrick Joseph
Dickinson, W.H.(St. Pancras, N	Lamont, Norman	Price, C.E.(Edinburgh, Central
Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.	Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.)	Price, Robert John (Norfolk, E.)
Dillon. John	Layland-Barratt, Francis	Rainy, A. Holland
Dodd, W. H.	Lea, Hugh Cecil (St. Pancras, E.	Raphael, Herbert H.
Dolan, Charles Joseph	Leese, Sir Joseph F. (Accrington	Rea, Russell (Gloucester)
Donelan, Captain A.	Lehmann, R. C.	Reddy, M.
Duffy, William J.	Lever, A-Levy(Essex, Harwich)	Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
Duncan, C.(Barrow-in-Furness	Lewis, John Herbert	Redmond, William (Clare)
Duncan, J. H. (York, Otley)	Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David	Rees, J. D.
Dunn, A, Edward (Camborne)	Lough, Thomas	Renton, Major Lesie
Edwards, Clement (Denbigh)	Lundon, W.	Richards, T.F.(Wolverh'mpt'n)
Erskine, David C.	Lupton, Arnold	Rickett, J. Corapton
Esmonde, Sir Thomas	Luttrell, Hugh Fownes	Ridsdale, E. A.
Evans, Samuel T.	Lyell, Charles Henry	Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)
Everett, R. Lacey	Lynch, H. B.	Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradf'rd
Farrell, James Patrick	Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester)	Roberston, J. M. (Tyneside)
Ferens, T. R.	Macdonald, J.M.(FalkirkB'ghs	Robinson, S.
Ferguson, R. C. Munro	Mackarness, Frederic C.	Robson, Sir William Snowdon
Ffrench, Peter	Mac Veagh,. Jeremiah (Down, S.	Roche John (Galway, East)]
Flavin, Michael Joseph	MacVeigh, Chas. (Donegal, E.)	Roe, Sir Thomas
Flynn, James Christopher	M'Crae, George	Rogers, F. E. Newman
Foster, Rt. Hon. Sir Walter	M'Killop, W.	Rose, Charles Day
Fuller, John Michael F.	M'Laren, H. D. (Stafford, W.)	Rowlands, J.
Fullerton, Hugh	M'Micking, Major G.	Russell, T. W.
Gibb, James (Harrow)	Maddison, Frederick	Rutherford, V. H. (Brentford)

Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland	Stewart, Halley (Greenock)	Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney
Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)	Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal)	Watt, H. Anderson
Scarisbrick, T. T. L.	Strachey, Sir Edward	Wedgwood, Josiah C.
Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde)	Straus, B. S. (Mile End)	Weir, James Galloway
Schwann, Chas. E. (Manchester)	Sullivan, Donal	White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire).
Scott, A.H. (Ashton under Lyne	Sutherland, J. E.	White, Luke (York, E.R.)
Sears, J. E.	Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)	White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Seaverns, J. H.	Taylor, John W. (Durham)	Whitehead, Rowland
Shackleton, David James	Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe	Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick, B.	Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)	Wiles, Thomas
Shipman, Dr. John G.	Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.)	Wilkie, Alexander
Silcock, Thomas Ball	Tomkinson, James	Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarth'n
Sinclair, Rt. Hon. John	Torrance, A. M.	Wills, Arthur Walters
Sloan, Thomas Henry	Toulmin, George	Wilson, Hn. C. H. W. (Hull, W.>
Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie	Ure. Alexander	Wilson, P. W. (St. Pancras, S.)
Smyth, Thos. E. (Leitrim, S.)	Verney, F. W.	Wood, T. M'Kinnon
Snowdon, P.	Walker, H. De R. (Leicester)	Woodhouse, Sir J.T. (Hud'drsf'd
Soames, Arthur Wellesley	Walters, John Tudor	Young, Samuel
Stanger, H. Y.	Ward, John (Stoke upon Trent)
Stanley, Hn. A. Lyulph (Chesh.	Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.	TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr:
Steadman, W. C.	Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)	Soares and Mr. Winfrey.
NOES.
Anstruther-Gray, Major	Fletcher, J. S.	Nussey, Thomas Willans
Arkwright, John Stanhope	Forster, Henry William	Pease, HerbertPike(Darlington
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn. Sir H.	Gardner, Ernest (Berks, East)	Percy, Earl
Balcarres, Lord	Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West)	Remnant, James Farquharson
Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J.(City Lond.	Haddock, George R.	Rothschild, Hon. Lionel Walter
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)	Hardy, Laurence (Kent, Ashford	Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Banbury, Sir Frederick George	Hay, Hon. Claude George	Smith, Abel H.(Hertford, East)
Beach, Hn. Michael Hugh Hicks	Helmsley, Viscount	Starkey, John R.
Beckett, Hon. Gervase	Hervey, F.W.F.(Bury S. Emd'ds	Stone, Sir Benjamin
Bignold, Sir Arthur	Hill, Sir Clement(Shrewsbury)	Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Oxf'dUniv.
Boyle, Sir Edward	Hill, Henry Staveley (Staff'sh.)	Tennant, Sir Edward(Salisbury
Bridgeman, W. Clive	Hills, J. W.	Thomson, W. Mitchell-(Lanark)
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. H. M.	Hornby, Sir William Henry	Thornton, Percy M.
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.	Houston, Robert Paterson	Turnour, Viscount
Castlereagh, Viscount	Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hn. Col. W	Walker, ColW. H. (Lancashire)
Cave, George	Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm	Walrond, Hon. Lionel
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)	Lane-Fox, G. R.	Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Cecil, Lord John P. Joicey-	Liddell, Henry	Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone, E.	Lockwood, Rt. Hn. Lt.-Col. A.R	Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R.)
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.	Long, Col- Chas. W. (Evesham)	Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)	Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Dublin. S	Wortley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart-
Courthope, G. Loyd	Lowe. Sir Francis William	Wyndham, Rt. Hn. George
Craig, Capt. James (Down, E.)	Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred	Younger, George
Craik, Sir Henry	Marks, H. H. (Kent)
Cross, Alexander	Mason, James F. (Windsor)	TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Siir
Dalrymple, Viscount	Meysey-Thompson, E. C.	Alexander Acland-Hood and
Dixon-Hartland, Sir Fred Dixon	Morpeth, Viscount	Viscount Valentia.
Faber, George Denison (York)	Nicholson Wm. G. (Petersfield
Fell, Arthur	Nield, Herbert

Question put accordingly, "That the words of the Bill down to the end of Clause 1 stand part of the Bill."

The House divided:—Ayes, 290; Noes,. 74. (Division List No. 176.)

Barry, E. (Cork, S.)	Flavin, Michael Joseph	M'Laren, H. D..(Stafford, W.)
Beale, W. P.	Flynn, James Christopher	M'Micking, Major G.
Beauchamp, E.	Foster, Rt. Hon. Sir Walter	Maddison, Frederick.
Beck, A. Cecil	Fuller, John Michael F.	Mallet, Charles E..
Bellairs, Carlyton	Fullerton, Hugh	Mansfield, H. Rendall (Lincoln
Belloc, Hilarie Joseph Peter R.	Gibb, James (Harrow)	Marks, G. Croydon (Launoeston)
Benn, W.(T'w'r Hamlets, S.Geo.	Ginnell, L.	Marnham, F. J.
Bennett, E. N.	Greenwood, G. (Peterborough);	Massie, J.
Bethell, T. R. (Essex Maldon)	Greenwood, Hamar (York)	Meagher, Michael
Billson, Alfred	Gulland, John W.	Menzies, Walter
Black, Arthur W. (Bedfordshire)	Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B.	Micklem, Nathaniel
Blake, Edward	Halpin, J.	Molteno, Percy Alport
Boland, John	Hammond, John	Mond, A.
Bolton, T. D. (Derbyshire, N.E.	Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r)i	Montagu, E. S.
Brace, William	Harrington, Timothy	Montgomery, H. H.
Branch, James	Harwood, George	Mooney, J. J.
Bright, J. A.	Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth)	Morrell, Philip
Brunner, J.F.L. (Lanes., Leigh)	Haworth, Arthur A.	Morton, Alpheus Cleophas
Brunner, Sir John T. (Cheshire)	Hayden, John Patrick	Murphy, John
Bryce, J. A.(InvernessBurghs)	Hazel, Dr. A. E.	Murray, James
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn	Hazleton, Richard	Myer, Horatio
Buckmaster, Stanley O.	Healy, Timothy Michael	Napier, T. B.
Burke, E. Haviland	Hedges, A. Paget	Nicholls, George
Burns, Rt. Hon. John	Henderson, Arthur (Durham)	Nicholson, Chas. N. (Doncast'r)
Burnyeat, J. D. W.	Henderson, J. M.(Aberdeen, W.)	Nolan, Joseph
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas	Henry, Charles S.	Norton, Capt. Cecil William
Byles, William Pollard	Herbert, T. Arnold (Wycombe)	Nussey, Thomas William
Cairns, Thomas	Higham, John Sharp	Nuttall, Harry
Cameron, Robert	Hobart, Sir Robert	O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Causton. Rt. Hn. Richard Knight	Hogan, Michael	O'Brien, William (Cork)
Cawley, Frederiok	Holden, E. Hopkinson	O'Connor, James (Wicklow. W.),
Channing, Francis Allston	Hooper, A. G.	O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)
Cheetham, John Frederick	Horniman, Emslie John	O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)
Churchill, Winston Spencer	Howard, Hon. Geoffrey	O'Doherty, Philip
Clarke, C. Goddard	Hutton, Alfred Eddison	O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)
Cleland, J. W.	Hyde, Clarendon	O'Grady, J.
Clough, W.	Isaacs, Rufus Daniel	O'Hare, Patrick
Coats, Sir T. Glen (Renfrew, W.	Jackson, R. S.	O'Malley, William
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth)	Jones, David Brynmor (Swansea	O'Shaughnessy, P. J.
Condon, Thomas Joseph	Jones, Leif (Appleby)	Parker, James (Halifax)
Cooper, G. J.	Jones, William (Carnarvonshire	Partington, Oswald
Corbett, C.H.(Sussex, E. Grinst'd	Joyce, Michael	Paul, Herbert
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A.	Kearley, Hudson E.	Pearce, Robert (Staffs. Leek)
Crean, Eugene	Kekewich, Sir George	Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden)
Cremer, William Randal	Kennedy, Vincent Paul	Philipps, Col. Ivor (S'thampton)
Crombie, John William	Kilbride, Denis	Philipps, J. Wynford (Pembroke)
Cross, Alexander	Kincaid-Smith, Captain	Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke)
Dalziel, James Henry	King, Alfred John (Knutsford)	Power, Patrick Joseph
Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan	Kitson, Sir James	Price, C.E.(Edinburgh, Central)
Davies, Timothy (Fulham)	Lamb, Ernest H. (Rochester)	Price, Robert John(Norfolk, E.)
Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.)	Lamont, Norman	Rainy, A. Holland
Delany, William	Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.)	Raphael, Herbert H.
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway	Layland-Barratt, Francis	Rea, Russell (Gloucester)
Dickinson, W.H.(St. Pancras, N.	Lea, Hugh Cecil(St. Pancras, E.)	Reddy, M.
Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.	Leese, Sir Joseph F.(Accrington	Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
Dillon, John	Lehmann, R. C.	Redmond, William (Clare)
Dodd, W. H.	Lever, A. Levy(Essex, Harwich)	Rees, J. D.
Dolan, Charles Joseph	Lewis, Herbert John	Renton, Major Leslie
Donelan, Captain A.		Richards, T. F. (Wolverh'mpt'n.
Duffy, William J.	Lough, Thomas	Rickett, J, Compton
Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness	Lundon, W.	Ridsdale, E. A.
Duncan, J. H. (York, Otley)	Lupton, Arnold	Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)
Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne)	Luttrell, Hugh Fownes	Robertson, Sir G. Scott(Bradf'rd
Edwards, Clement (Denbigh)	Lyell, Charles Henry	Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside)
Erskine, David C.	Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester)	Robinson, S.
Esmonde, Sir Thomas	Macdonald, J.M.(Falkirk B'ghs)	Robson, Sir William Snowdon
Evans, Samuel T.	Mackarness, Frederic C.	Roche, John (Galway, East)
Everett, R. Lacey	MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down, S.	Roe, Sir Thomas
Farrell, James Patrick	MacVeigh, Chas. (Donegal, E.)	Rogers, F. E. Newman
Ferguson, R. C. Munro	M'Crae, George	Rose, Charles Day]
Ffrench, Peter	M'Killop, W.	Rowlands, J.

Russell, T. W.	Stanley, Hn. A. Lyulph (Chesh.)	Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney)
Rutherford, V. H. (Brentford)	Steadman, W. C.	Watt, H. Anderson
Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland)	Stewart, Halley (Greenock)	Wedgwood, Josiah C.
Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)	Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal)	Weir, James Galloway
Scarisbrick, T. T. L.	Straus, B. S. (Mile End)	White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire)
Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde)	Sullivan, Donal	White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Schwann, Chas. E.(Manchester)	Sutherland, J. E.	White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Scott, A.H.(Ashton under Lyne	Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)	Whitehead, Rowland
Sears, J. E.	Taylor, John W. (Durham)	Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Seaverns, J. H.	Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe	Wiles, Thomas
Shackleton, David James	Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)	Wilkie, Alexander
Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick, B.	Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.)	Williams, Llewelyn (Carm'th'n
Shipman, Dr. John G.	Tomkinson, James	Wills, Arthur Walters
Silcock, Thomas Ball	Torrance, A. M.	Wilson, Hon. C.H.W. (Hull, W.)
Sinclair, Rt. Hon. John	Ure, Alexander	Wilson, P. W. (St. Pancras, S.)
Sloan, Thomas Henry	Verney, F. W.	Wood, T. M'Kinnon
Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie	Walker, H. De R. (Leicester)	Woodhouse, Sir J.T.(Huddersf'd
Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.)	Walters, John Tudor	Young, Samuel
Snowdon, P.	Ward, John(Stoke upon Trent)
Soames, Arthur Wellesley	Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.	TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr.
, Stanger, H. Y.	Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)	Soares and Mr. Winfrey.
NOES.
Acland-Hood, Rt Hn. Sir Alex. F.	Fell, Arthur	Pease, HerbertPike (Darlington
Anstruther-Gray, Major	Fletcher, J. S.	Percy, Earl
Arkwright, John Stanhope	Forster, Henry William	Remnant, James Farquharson
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn. Sir H.	Gardner, Ernest (Berks, East)	Rothschild, Hon. Lionel Walter
Balcarres, Lord	Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West)	Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Balfour, Rt. Hn. A.J. (CityLond.	Haddock, George R.	Starkey, John R.
Banbury, Sir Frederick George	Hardy, Laurence (Kent, Ashford	Stone, Sir Benjamin
Beckett, Hon. Gervase	Hay, Hon. Claude George	Talbot, Rt. Hn. J.G. (Oxf'dUniv.
Bignold, Sir Arthur	Helmsley, Viscount	Tennant, Sir Edward(Salisbury)
Boyle, Sir Edward	Hervey, F.W.F.(BuryS.Edm'ds	Thomson, W. Mitchell-(Lanark)
Bridgeman, W. Clive	Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury)	Thornton, Percy M.
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. H. M.	Hills, J. W.	Turnour, Viscount
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.	Hornby, Sir Willian Henry	Valentia, Viscount
Castlereagh, Viscount	Houston, Robert Paterson]	Walker, Col. W.H.(Lancashire)
Cave, George	Kenyon-Slaney. Rt. Hon. Col. W.	Walrond, Hon. Lionel
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)	Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.	Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Cecil, Lord John P. Joicey	Lane-Fox, G. R.	Willoughby, de Eresby Lord.
Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone, E.)	Liddell, Henry	Wilson, Stanley A.(York, E.R.)
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.	Lockwood, Rt. Hn. Lt.-Col. A.R.	Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)	Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Dublin, S.	Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Courthope, G. Loyd	Lowe, Sir Francis William	Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Craig, Capt. James (Down, E.)	Marks, H. H. (Kent)	Younger, George
Craik, Sir Henry	Mason, James F. (Winsdor)
Dalrymple, Viscount	Meysey-Thompson, E. C.	TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.
Dixon-Hartland, Sir FredDixon	Nicholson, Wm. G. (Petersfield)	Hicks Beach and Viscount
Faber, George Denison (York)	Nield, Herbert	Morpeth.

And, it being after Five of the clock, further consideration of the Bill, as amended, stood adjourned.

Bill, as amended (by the Standing Committee), to be further considered upon Wednesday next.

Whereupon Mr. SPEAKER, in pursuance of Standing Order No. 3, adjourned the House without Question put.

Adjourned at twenty-one minutes after Five o'clock till Monday next.