§ Order read, for resuming Adjourned Debate on Amendment to Question [24th May], "That the Bill be now read a second time."
§
Which Amendment was—
To leave out the word 'now,' an I at the end of the Question to add the words 'upon this day three months'."—(Mr. William Lever.)
§ Question again proposed, "That the word 'now' stand part of the Question."
§ MR. W. H. LEVER (Cheshire, Wirral)said he wished to withdraw the Amendment which he had previously moved, that the Bill be read a second time this day three months.
§ Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
§ Main Question put, and agreed to. Bill read a second time, and committed.
§ MR. W. H. LEVERsaid he wished to move the following Resolution: "That it be an instruction to the Committee that they shall provide that the Wirral Railway 895 Company shall not run any omnibus in any city, borough, or other urban district provided with a system of tramways or omnibuses except with the consent of the local authority or local authorities, as the case may be, working such tramways or omnibuses." He did so in order that this House might have an opportunity of settling a most important principle. Before the ratepayers' money, amounting to £135,000, was allowed to be invested in these tramways, a most exhaustive inquiry was held, not only as to the advantage the expenditure would give to the public, but also to see whether the ratepayers' money was invested on sound lines. Therefore it seemed' a remarkable thing that now a railway company should come forward with a Bill which would enable them to run motor omnibuses in direct conflict with this system of municipal tramways. It was not that objection was taken to any additional means of locomotion being provided to the ratepayers; it was the competition from railway companies—competition which was never intended that the municipalities should have to face at the time when they were permitted by the House of Commons to invest the money of the ratepayers in tramways. If the railway company were allowed to use the roads in the municipality to the cost and repair of which they paid nothing, it would be a most unfair mode of competition. The Bill contained a clause in which the railway company declared that they only sought power to take up and set down passengers from their railway stations. That, he thought, was a fallacious clause, the only object of the promoters in inserting it being to recognise the strength of the opposition and the justice of the claims of the municipality. The object of the railway company would be better served by the insertion of the Instruction which stood in his name and which he begged to move.
§ MR. SUMMERBELL (Sunderland)Seconded the Motion. He thought that to grant this concession to the railway company would be most unfair to the municipal tramways undertaking in the district. The Company had sent a circular to Members of the House in which they stated that the use of these 'buses would be limited to bona fide passengers on their railway. It was however in his 896 judgment impossible to ascertain whether people were bona fide passengers or not. The municipality must pay off within thirty-five years the capital advanced to them to start their undertaking and he did not think a railway company should be allowed to set up a system of motor omnibuses in competition with the tramway authorities.
§ Motion made and Question proposed, "That it be an Instruction to the Committee that they shall provide that the Wirral Railway Company shall not run any omnibus in any city, borough, or other urban district provided with a system of tramways or omnibuses except with the consent of the local authority or local authorities, as the case may be, working such tramways or omnibuses."—(Mr. W. H. Lever.)
§ MR. TOMKINSON (Cheshire, Crewe)rose to move as an Amendment to the Instruction proposed—
In line 6, after the word 'omnibus,' to insert the words, 'but that if such consent shall be unreasonably withheld the matter shall be determined by the Board of Trade, whose decision shall be final and binding.'
§ MR. SUMMERBELLasked as a point of order whether, in face of the provision in the Bill, paragraph E, page 6, giving an appeal to the Board of Trade, the Amendment could be put.
§ MR. SPEAKERsaid it was some what hard to say on the spur of the moment whether the question of unreasonably withholding consent was or was not a matter in regard to which the Company might consider themselves aggrieved within this section. He did not think, however, that any harm would result if the Amendment of the hon. Member for Crewe were accepted. It might be incorporated in the Bill without any contradiction of its other provisions.
§ MR. TOMKINSONmoved his Amendment, and said he thought it right at the outset to say that he was a director of the railway in question, and therefore might be regarded with suspicion. He did not think that prevented him, however, from stating the case as fairly as possible, although he might say that he 897 had no intention of voting if the question went to a division. It would be seen that there was only a small point of difference between the railway company and those whom his hon. friend represented. There were, however, certain circumstances with which he thought the House ought to be acquainted. The Wirral Railway was a small one consisting of only twelve miles of line, although it was in a populous district. It connected the watering places of West Kirby and New Brighton with Wallasey and other places, and was also connected with the Mersey Railway. About ten years ago, at the instance of this very urban council, and in order to serve their district, the Wirral Railway Company made a fresh line of two or three miles from Seacombe Ferry to the great advantage of the district. In the present year this authority promoted a Bill, and brought it before a very strong Committee of the House of Lords, which also dealt with this Bill, of which Lord Cawdor was Chairman. The Bill of the Wirral Company was heard first, and a decision postponed until the whole of the circumstances with regard to both Bills had been thrashed out. After hearing the case of the Wallasey Urban Council, who wished to take powers to run a tramway practically alongside this very railway and thus deprive them of their passengers, the Committee threw out the Bill of the Wallasey District Council and passed the Wirral Railway Bill. The Wirral Railway Company only asked that their Bill should be passed, and they were quite willing to accept this Instruction if there was an appeal to the Board of Trade. He thought under the circumstances there was a reason for the company asking for such an appeal. His hon. friend the Member for Birken-head had said—"Why do you not go into the country instead of coming to this urban district where there are no tramways and get passengers?" He remembered, however, that a fortnight ago the hon. Gentleman himself denounced motor 'buses running in these rural districts and injuring the farmers. They all knew, however, that the rural authorities objected to the use of their roads for this purpose, although their people used the roads in the towns. In view of the fact that the railways 898 were rated up to the hilt and that the incidence of the rates fell heavily upon them, he thought the present opposition to the Bill was neither fair nor reasonable.
§ MR. WILLIAM RUTHERFORD (Liverpool, West Derby)seconded the Amendment. Being intimately acquainted with Liverpool he would endeavour to put the position clearly before the House. The hon. Member for the Wirrall Division, in proposing his Motion, had disclaimed any objection to improved locomotion, but said that what he objected to was competition. It was not the interest of railway companies or municipalities which ought to be considered in cases of this kind, but the interest of the public. In this particular case the municipality had obtained power to compete with the railway; why, therefore, should not the railway compete in the interest of the public? The Motion was not really honest, because it was certain that it would prevent the railway company running motor 'buses to their own stations without the consent of the municipality, and that consent would never be given. The only proposal of the Amendment was to leave the question to be decided by the Board of Trade.
§
Amendment proposed—
At the end of the proposed Amendment, to add the words 'but that if such consent shall be unreasonably withheld the matter shall be determined by the Board of Trade, whose decision shall be final and binding.'"—(Mr. Tomkinson.)
§ Question proposed, "That those words be there added."
§ COLONEL LOCKWOOD (Essex, Epping)said this was a matter of principle upon which a representative of the Board of Trade ought to be heard, and as there was no representative of that Department present he moved the adjournment of the debate.
§ Motion made, and Question, "That the debate be now adjourned" put, and negatived.
899§ Question put, "That those words be there added."
900§ The House divided:—Ayes, 90; Noes 120. (Division List No. 154.)
901| AYES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.) | Davies, David(MontgomeryCo. | Murnaghan, George |
| Abraham, William (Rhondda) | Everett, R. Lacey | Nolan, Joseph |
| Ainsworth, John Stirling | Fiennes, Hon. Eustace | Nuttall, Harry |
| Allen, A. Acland (Christchurch) | Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. | O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N |
| Allen, Charles P. (Stroud) | Flavin, Michael Joseph | O'Malley, William |
| Astbury, John Meir | Forster, Henry William | Paulton, James Mellor |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Fullerton, Hugh | Pease, HerbertPike(Darlington |
| Banner, John S. Harmood- | Glendinning, R. G. | Price, C. E. (Edinb'gh, Central) |
| Barlow, Percy (Bedford) | Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | Rainy, A. Rolland |
| Barran, Rowland Hirst | Haworth, Arthur A. | Reddy, M. |
| Beale, W. P. | Hay, Hon. Claude George | Renton, Major Leslie |
| Beauhcamp, E. | Helme, Norval Watson | Ridsdale, E. A. |
| Bertram, Julius | Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury) | Roche, John (Galway, East.) |
| Boyle, Sir Edward | Hill, Henry Staveley (Staff'sh.) | Rutherford, John (Lancashire) |
| Bramsdon, T. A. | Hobart, Sir Robert | Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) |
| Bridgeman, W. Clive | Houston, Robert Paterson | Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) |
| Brunner, J. F. L.(Lanes., Leigh) | Johnson, W. (Nuneaton) | Simon, John Allsebrook |
| Bryce, J. A. (Inverness Burghs) | Jones, Leif (Appleby) | Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie |
| Carlile, E. Hildred | Kilbride, Denis | Smith, F.E. (Liverpool, Walton |
| Castlereagh, Viscount | Kincaid-Smith, Captain | Soares, Ernest J. |
| Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone, E.) | Lamont, Norman | Thomson, W. Mitchell-(Lanark) |
| Chance, Frederick William | Law, Andrew Bonar (Dulwich) | Turnour, Viscount |
| Cheetham, John Frederick | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid | Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan) |
| Clough, W. | Lever, A. Levy(Essex, Harwich) | White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire) |
| Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. | Lockwood, Rt. Hn. Col.-Lt. A. R. | Whiteley, George (York, W.R.) |
| Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) | Lough, Thomas | Williamson, A. |
| Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Lupton, Arnold | Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart- |
| Courthope, G. Loyd | Marks, G. Croydon (Launceston) | Younger, George |
| Craig, Capt. James (Down, E.) | Marnham, F. J. | |
| Cross, Alexander | Morrell, Philip | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr. |
| Dalrymple, Viscount | Morton, Alpheus Cleophas | Ashton and Mr. Rose. |
| NOES. | ||
| Acland, Francis Dyke | Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) | Mond, A. |
| Armstrong, W. C. Heaton | Harwood, George | Money, L. G. Chiozza |
| Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight) | Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) | Mooney, J. J. |
| Barnard, E. B. | Hazel, Dr. A. E. | Nicholls, George |
| Benn, John Williams(Devonp't | Hazelton, Richard | O'Brien, Kendal(Tipperary Mid) |
| Benn, W. (T'w'r Hamlets, S. Geo.) | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) |
| Billson, Alfred | Herbert, Col. Ivor (Mon., S.) | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) |
| Boland, John | Higham, John Sharp | O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) |
| Brace, William | Hogan, Michael | O'Doherty, Philip |
| Brigg, John | Hooper, A. G. | O'Dowd, John |
| Brodie, H. C. | Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) | O'Grady, J. |
| Cleland, J. W. | Horniman, Emslie John | O'Hare, Patrick |
| Cogan, Denis J. | Hudson, Walter | O'Shee, James John |
| Corbett, C. H.(Sussex, EGrinst'd | Jenkins, J. | Parker, James (Halifax) |
| Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Johnson, John (Gateshead) | Paul, Herbert |
| Cotton, Sir H. J. S. | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire | Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) |
| Cremer, William Randal | Joyee, Michael | Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke) |
| Crosfield, A. H. | Kelley, George D. | Pollard, Dr. |
| Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) | Lamb, Ernest H. (Rochester) | Power, Patrick Joseph |
| Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway) | Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.) | Priestley, W.E.B.(Bradford, E.) |
| Dolan, Charles Joseph | Levy, Maurice | Radford, G. H. |
| Duffy, William J. | Lewis, John Herbert | Raphael, Herbert H. |
| Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness | Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) | Redmond, John E. (Waterford |
| Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) | Macdonald, J.M.(FalkirkB'ghs. | Redmond, William (Clare) |
| Edwards, Clement (Denbigh) | MacNeill, John Gordon Swift | Richards, Thomas(W. Monm'th |
| Essex, R. W. | Macpherson, J. T. | Richardson, A. |
| Ferens, T. R. | MacVeagh, Jeremiah(Down, S.) | Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) |
| Ffrench, Peter | M'Callum, John M. | Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) |
| Gill, A. H. | M'Crae, George | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) |
| Ginnell, L. | M'Hugh, Patrick A. | Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradf'rd |
| Glover, Thomas | M'Killop, W. | Robinson, S. |
| Goddard, Daniel Ford | Manfield, Harry (Northants) | Rowlands, J. |
| Gulland, John W. | Meagher, Michael | Seddon, J. |
| Shackleton, David James | Thompson, J. W. H (Somerset, E. | Wilkie, Alexander |
| Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) | Thorne, William | Williams, Llewelyn(Carmarth'n |
| Shipman, Dr. John G. | Vivian, Henry | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
| Silcock, Thomas Ball | Walsh, Stephen | Wood, T. M'Kinnon |
| Snowden, P. | Ward, John (Stoke upon Trent) | |
| Stuart, James (Sunderland) | Watt, H. Anderson | TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. |
| Sutherland, J. E. | Weir, James Galloway | Lever and Mr. Summerbell. |
| Taylor, John W. (Durham) | White, Luke (York, E.R.) | |
| Taylor, Theodore C.(Radcliffe) | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
§ Main Question again proposed.
§ LORD R. CECILcalled attention to the position in which the House was left upon this question. He thought they had a right to demand the advice of the responsible advisers of His Majesty's Government in regard to railways, and he thought they would do well not to proceed to a final decision until that advice had been given. In order to give the House an opportunity of obtaining that advice he begged to move the adjournment of the debate.
§ Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the debate be now adjourned."—(Lord R. Cecil.)
§ MR. HARMOOD-BANNERexpressed his surprise that nothing had been said from the Government Benches upon this Bill. He reminded hon. Members that similar powers to those which had just been refused to this company had been given to the London, Brighton, and South Coast Railway, and now, at the dictation of a particular section of the House there had just been a refusal of what had already been given to another company.
§ MR. SWIFT MACNEILLDoes this question arise on the Motion for the adjournment?
§ MR. SPEAKERThe hon. Member is giving reasons why the matter should be adjourned.
§ MR. HARMOOD-BANNERthought the position taken up by the House on this matter was a most improper one. He was not opposed to municipal undertakings, but in this particular case the hon. Member for Wirral had stated that the rural districts ought to have these facilities. He thought they were now carrying the principle of municipalisation 902 too far, and the House had already given municipalities far too much.
§ MR. SPEAKERThe hon. Member is now arguing against the Bill. The question is that the debate be adjourned.
§ MR. HARMOOD-BANNERappealed to the Board of Trade to give the House some reason why they had not given the House some direction in this matter.
MR. CLEMENT EDWARDS (Denbigh District),on a point of order, pointed out that it was already laid down in the Bill that there was to be no appeal to the Board of Trade, and under those circumstances he wished to know if there was any rule which necessitated the presence of the President of the Board of Trade or any other representative of that D apartment?
§ MR. SPEAKERThat is not a point of order.
§ MR. HARMOOD-BANNERthought the House ought to be told why a difference was made between one railway company and another in the granting of these facilities.
§ THE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY TO THE TREASURY (Mr. GEORGE WHITELEY, Yorkshire, W.R., Pudsey)said it was very desirable that the House should come to a decision upon this matter now. He regretted the absence of any representative of the Board of Trade, but there were a large number of hon. Members present who were quite as able to deal with these matters as the Board of Trade, and it would only be penalising the company to adjourn the debate.
§ MR. FORSTER (Kent, Sevenoaks)said the question which had been brought before the House was whether or not on 903 occasions like this when large questions of principle were raised, with which the Board of Trade were intimately associated, a representative of the Board of Trade ought or ought not to be present in order to give to the House the benefit of his guidance. In days not long ago when some hon. Members opposite were in Opposition, whenever they discovered the absence of any representative of a Government department they never lost the opportunity of moving the adjournment of the debate, or of taking advantage of any other opportunity of calling attention to what they called a grave dereliction of duty on the part of the Government. They were now concerned with a large question of principle. They were entitled to receive the opinion and guidance of the responsible Minister concerned, and seeing that there was no representative of the Board of Trade in he House, he thought they might very well agree to the motion for the adjournment.
§ MR. CLAUDE HAY (Shoreditch, Hoxton)said that it was by the initiative of His Majesty's advisers that these private Bills had been brought up at a time when most hon. Members opposite would like to be in bed. He did not think that any private Bill ought to be dealt with after midnight, and without expressing any opinion as to the merits of the case he protested against dealing with private legislation in the absence of the responsible Minister who was paid to be present and attend to this business.
§ MR. TOMKINSONsaid that although he deprecated the carrying of this Instruction he hoped the House would allow the Bill to be proceeded with.
§ LORD TURNOUR (Sussex, Horsham)said hon. Members opposite had quite misinterpreted their action in moving the adjournment of the debate. They had not taken this course in regard to this particular Bill, but in order to call attention to the absence of any representative of the Board of Trade when an important principle was being discussed. He thought the argument of the Patronage Secretary that the Bill could be discussed as well in the absence of the representatives of the 904 Board of Trade was an extraordinary one. He appealed to the House to support the Motion for the adjournment.
§ MR. SHACKLETONsaid he did not rise for the purpose of obstructing the Bill. The question raised was an important one, namely, the absence of a representative of the Board of Trade. He was going to support the Motion on that ground alone. In the last Parliament when a Unionist Government was in office he had supported similar Resolutions on the ground of the absence of the Minister in charge. This was an important matter, and they were entitled to the opinion of the Board of Trade upon it. He earnestly urged those who were responsible for the Bill to accept the Motion for the adjournment of the debate, in order that an opportunity might be given for ascertaining the opinion of the President of the Board of Trade upon the matter. If the Bill did not go through to-night, the fault would lie with the representatives of the Board of Trade who were not present to answer the reasonable questions which had been raised.
§ MR. W. H. LEVERappealed to hon. Members opposite to allow the Bill to go through to-night. The Bill would go to a Committee upstairs, and he thought the expression of opinion which had taken place as to the absence of the representatives of the Board of Trade would be just as effective as if they were to penalise the measure. The Bill was of importance to the district concerned, and if it was not allowed to go through tonight the fixing of another date for debating the Motion might mean that it could not be passed this session.
§ COLONEL LOCKWOODsaid he was in favour of the Bill and wished to see it passed, but he thought a representative of the Board of Trade should be present to answer questions. The Patronage Secretary was to blame for this. He was paid a handsome salary to see that Ministers were in their places when they were wanted. It was on account of their absence that the adjournment of the debate had been moved.
§ MR. VIVIAN (Birkenhead)appealed to hon. Members opposite to allow the Bill to go through to-night. Important commercial interests were at stake, and the Bill had been discussed on more than one occasion. It was not fair to the company to hang up its interests because of some failure on the part of the Board of Trade to have representatives present.
§ SIR F. BANBURY (City of London)said the adjournment of the debate would not in any way injure the company, or hinder the progress of the Bill. The adjournment of the debate would only delay the discussion of the Instruction for one night. To-morrow night the
§ House would get the opinion of the Board of Trade as to whether it was advisable to give such an Instruction to the Committee.
§ MR. W. H. LEVERrose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the question be now put."
§ Question put accordingly, "That the debate be now adjourned."
§ The House divided:—Ayes, 34; Noes, 153. (Division List, No. 155.)
907| AYES. | ||
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Dalrymple, Viscount | Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) |
| Banner, John S. Harmood- | Davies, David(Montgomery Co. | Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) |
| Beaucham p, E. | Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. | Shackleton, David James |
| Bertram, Julius | Forster, Henry William | Sutherland, J. E. |
| Boyle, Sir Edward | Gill, A. H. | Thomson, W. Mitchell-(Lanark) |
| Carlile, E. Hildred | Hay, Hon. Claude George | Watt, H. Anderson |
| Cleland, J. W. | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Williamson, A. |
| Clough, W. | Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury) | Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart |
| Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) | Hill, Henry Staveley (Staff'sh.) | |
| Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Lord |
| Courthope, G. Loyd | Magnus, Sir Philip | Robert Cecil and Colonel |
| Craig, Capt. James (Down, E.) | Morrell, Philip | Lockwood. |
| Cross, Alexander | Renton, Major Leslie | |
| NOES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.) | Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway | Horniman, Emslie John |
| Abraham, William (Rhondda) | Dillon, John | Hudson, Walter |
| Acland, Francis Dyke | Dolan, Charles Joseph | Jenkins, J. |
| Ainsworth, John Stirling | Duffy, William J. | Johnson, John (Gateshead |
| Allen, A. Acland (Christchurch) | Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness | Johnson, W. (Nuneaton) |
| Allen, Charles P. (Stroud) | Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) | Jones, Leif (Appleby) |
| Armstrong, W. C. Heaton | Edwards, Clement (Denbigh) | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire |
| Ashton, Thomas Gair | Essex, R. W. | Joyce, Michael |
| Astbury, John Meir | Everett, R. Lacey | Kelley, George D. |
| Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight) | Ferens, T. R. | Kilbride, Denis |
| Barnard, E. B. | Ffrench, T. R. | Lamb, Ernest H. (Rochester) |
| Barran, Rowland Hirst | Flavin, Michael Joseph | Lamont, Norman |
| Beale, W. P. | Fullerton, Hugh | Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.) |
| Benn, John Williams(Devonp'rt | Ginnell, L. | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid |
| Benn, W. (T'w'r Hamlets, S. Geo.) | Glover, Thomas | Lever, A. Levy (Essex, Harwich |
| Billson, Alfred | Goddard, Daniel Ford | Levy, Maurice |
| Boland, John | Gulland, John W. | Lewis, John Herbert |
| Brace, William | Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | Lough, Thomas |
| Bramsdon, T. A. | Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) | Macdonald, J. M.(FalkirkB'ghs |
| Brigg, John | Harwood, George | MacNeill, John Gordon Swift |
| Brodie, H. C. | Haslam, Lewis'(Monmouth) | MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down, S. |
| Brunner, J. F.L.(Lancs., Leigh) | Hayden, John Patrick | M'Crae, George |
| Bryce, J. A. (Inverness Burghs) | Hazel, Dr. A. E. | M'Hugh, Patrick A. |
| Cheetham, John Frederick | Hazleton, Richard | M'Killop, W. |
| Cogan, Denis J. | Herbert, Col. Ivor (Mon., S.) | Manfield, Harry (Northants) |
| Corbett, C. H. (Sussex, E. Grinstd | Higham, John Sharp | Marks, G. Croydon (Launceston) |
| Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Hobart, Sir Robert | Marnham, F. J. |
| Cotton, Sir H. J. S. | Hogan, Michael | Meager, Michael |
| Cremer, William Randal | Hooper, A. G. | Mond, A. |
| Crosfield, A. H. | Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) | Money, L. G. Chiozza |
| Montgomery, H. H. | Power, Patrick Joseph | Simon, John Allsebrook |
| Mooney, J. J. | Priestley, W. E. B. (Bradford, E.) | Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie |
| Morton, Alpheus Cleophas | Radford, G. H. | Soares, Ernest J. |
| Murnaghan, George | Rainy, A. Rolland | Stuart, James (Sunderland) |
| Nicholls, George | Raphael, Herbert H. | Taylor, John W. (Durham) |
| Nuttall, Harry | Reddy, M. | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) |
| O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary Mid) | Redmond, John E. (Waterford) | Thompson, J. W.H.(Somerset, E |
| O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Redmond, William (Clare) | Tomkinson, James |
| O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) | Richards, Thomas(W. Monm'th | Vivian, Henry |
| O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) | Richardson, A. | Walsh, Stephen |
| O'Doherty, Philip | Ridsdale, E. A. | Weir, James Galloway |
| O'Dowd, John | Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) | White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire) |
| O'Grady, J. | Robertson, Sir G. Scott(Bradf'rd | White, Luke (York, E.R.) |
| O'Hare, Patrick | Robinson, S. | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
| O'Malley, William | Roche, John (Galway, East) | Whiteley, George (York, W.R.) |
| O'Shee, James John | Rose, Charles Day | Wilkie, Alexander |
| Parker, James (Halifax) | Rowlands, J. | Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarth'n |
| Paul, Herbert | Samuel, Herbert L.(Clevland) | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
| Paulton, James Mellor | Seddon, J. | Wood, T. M'Kinnon |
| Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) | Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) | |
| Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke) | Shpiman, Dr. John G. | TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. |
| Pollard, Dr. | Silcock, Thomas Ball | Lever and Mr. Summerbcll |
Question, "That the Question be now put," put, and agreed to.
§ MR. VIVIANclaimed, "That the Main Question be now put."
§ The House divided:—Ayes, 149; Noes, 35. (Division List, No. 156.)
| AYES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Cork. N. E.) | Flavin, Michael Joseph | M'Crae, George |
| Abraham, William (Rhondda) | Fullerton, Hugh | M'Hugh, Patrick A. |
| Acland, Francis Dyke | Gill, A. H. | M'Killop, W. |
| Anisworth, John Stirling | Ginnell, L. | Manfield, Harry (Northants) |
| Allen, A. Acland (Christchurch) | Glover, Thomas | Marks, G. Croydon(Launceston |
| Allen, Charles P, (Stroud) | Goddard, Daniel Ford | Marnham, F, J. |
| Armstrong, W. C. Heaton | Gulland, John W. | Meagher, Michael |
| Astbury, John Meir | Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | Mond, A. |
| Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight) | Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) | Money, L. G. Chiozza |
| Barnard, E. B. | Harwood. George | Montgomery, H. H. |
| Barran, Rowland Hirst | Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) | Mooney, J. J. |
| Beauchamp, E. | Hayden, John Patrick | Morrell, Philip |
| Benn, John Williams(Devonp'rt | Hazel, Dr. A. E. | Morton, Alpheus Cleophas |
| Benn, W. (T'w'r Hamlets, S. Geo. | Hazelton, Richard | Murnaghan, George |
| Billson, Alfred | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Nicholls, George |
| Boland, John | Herbert, Col. Ivor (Mon., S.) | Nuttall, Harry |
| Brace, William | Higham, John Sharp | O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary Mid) |
| Bramsdon, T. A. | Hobart, Sir Robert | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) |
| Brigg, John | Hogan, Michael | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) |
| Brodie, H. C. | Hooper, A. G. | O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) |
| Brunner, J. F. L. (Lanes., Leigh) | Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) | O'Doherty, Philip |
| Cheetham, John Frederick | Horniman, Emslie John | O'Dowd, John |
| Cleland, J. W. | Hudson, Walter | O'Grady, J. |
| Cogan, Denis J. | Jenkins, J. | O'Hare, Patrick |
| Corbett, C. H. (Sussex, E. Grinstd) | Johnson, John (Gateshead) | O'Malley, William |
| Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Johnson, W. (Nuneation) | O'Shee, James John |
| Cotton, Sir H. J. S. | Jones, Leif (Appleby) | Parker, James (Halifax) |
| Cremer, William Randal | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire | Paul, Herbert |
| Crosfield, A. H. | Joyce, Michael | Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) |
| Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Gal way) | Kelley, George D. | Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke) |
| Dillon, John | Lamb, Ernest H. (Rochester) | Pollard, Dr. |
| Dolan, Charles Joseph | Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.) | Priestley, W.E.B. (Bradford, E.) |
| Duffy, William J. | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid | Radford, G. H. |
| Duncan, C.(Barrow-in-Furness) | Lever, A. Levy (Essex, Harwich) | Rainy, A. Rolland |
| Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) | Levy, Maurice | Raphael, Herbert H. |
| Edwards, Clement (Denbigh) | Lewis, John Herbert | Redmond, John E. (Waterford) |
| Essex, R. W. | Lough, Thomas | Redmond, William (Clare) |
| Everett, R. Lacey | Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) | Richards, Thomas (W. Monm'th |
| Ferens, T. R. | Macdonald, J. M.(FalkirkB'ghs) | Richardson, A. |
| Ffrench, Peter | MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down, S. | Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) |
| Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) | Silcock, Thomas Ball | White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire) |
| Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradfrd | Soares, Ernest J. | White, Patrick (Heath, North) |
| Robinson, S. | Stuart, James (Sunderland) | Whiteley, George (York, W.R.) |
| Roche, John (Galway, East) | Sutherland, J. E. | Wilkie, Alexander |
| Rose, Charles Day | Taylor, John W. (Durham) | Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarth'n |
| Rowlands, J. | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
| Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland) | Thompson, J. W. H. (Somerset, E | Wood, T. M'Kinnon |
| Seddon, J. | Vivian, Henry | |
| Shaekleton, David James | Walsh, Stephen | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr. |
| Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) | Watt, H. Anderson | Lever and Mr. Summerbell. |
| Shipman, Dr. John G. | Weir, James Galloway | |
| NOES. | ||
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Davies, David(Montgomery Co. | Renton, Major Leslie |
| Banner, John S. Harmood- | Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. | Ridsdale, E. A. |
| Beale, W. P. | Forster, Henry William | Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)] |
| Bertram, Julius | Hay, Hon. Claude George | Simon, John Allsebrook |
| Bryce, J. A.(Inverness Burghs) | Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury) | Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie |
| Carlile, E. Hildred | Hill, Henry Staveley (Staff'sh.) | Turnour, Viscount |
| Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone, E.) | Kilbride, Denis | White, Luke (York, E.R.) |
| Clough, W. | Lamont, Norman | Williamson, A. |
| Corbett, A. Cameron(Glasgow) | Lockwood, Rt. Hn. Lt.-Col. A. R. | Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart- |
| Courthope, G. Loyd | Lupton, Arnold | |
| Craig, Capt. James (Down, E.) | Magnus, Sir Philip | TELLERS TOR THE NOES—Mr. |
| Cross, Alexander | Paulton, James Mellor | Watson Rutherford and |
| Dalrymple, Viscount | Reddy, M. | Mr. Mitchell-Thomson. |
§ Main Question put accordingly.
909§ Ordered, That it be an Instruction to the Committee on the Bill, that they shall provide that the Wirral Railway Company shall not run any omnibus in any city, borough, or other urban district provided with a system of tramways or omnibuses except with the consent of the local authority or local authorities, as the case may be, working such tramways or omnibuses.—(Mr. William Lever.)