§ [SECOND READING.]
§ Order read, for resuming adjourned debate, on Question [17th May] "That the Bill be now read a second time."
§ Question again proposed.
§ MR. RUNCIMAN (Dewsbury)said he did not propose to add anything to the remarks he was making when the Bill was last under discussion, except once more to enter his protest against men engaged by the Admiralty or other Government Departments in civil employment being brought under the Naval Discipline Act.
§ THE SECRETARY TO THE ADMIRALTY (Mr. PRETYMAN, Suffolk, Woodbridge)said that since this Bill was debated some days ago the objection then taken had been considered by the
§ Admiralty, and they had come to the conclusion that there was no necessity to put the hired crews of the vessels concerned under the Naval Discipline Act at all, except in case of war, in which event special measures would be open to the Admiralty. Therefore, the Bill was really one to enable the Admiralty to make regulations to govern these ships and their hired crews in peace time. In view of the opinion expressed in the House, the Admiralty were prepared to withdraw all reference to the Naval Discipline Act. They now proposed only to take power to apply all or any of the provisions of the Merchant Shipping Act, and, in addition, to make regulations for one purpose only, to which the Merchant Shipping Act was not applicable, viz., to provide these ships with proper crews. In Committee Amendments would be introduced in the direction he had indicated, and any others that might be placed on the Paper could be then discussed. He hoped that with that understanding the House would give the Bill a Second Reading. As Amendments would be made in Committee there would of necessity be also a Report stage, and it would be much more convenient to discuss matters of detail in Committee than on the Second Reading.
§ Question put.
§ The House divided:—Ayes, 201; Noes, 164. (Division List, No. 190.)
361| AYES. | ||
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Arnold-Forster, Rt Hn. Hugh O. | Baird, John George Alexander |
| Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel | Arrol, Sir William | Balcarres, Lord |
| Allhusen, Augustus Henry Eden | Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John | Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) |
| Allsopp, Hon. George | Bailey, James (Walworth) | Balfour, Rt. Hn. Gerald W (Leeds |
| Anson Sir William Reynell | Bain, Colonel James Robert | Banbury, Sir Frederick George |
| Banner, John S. Harmood- | Green, Walford D. (Wednesbury | Muntz, Sir Philip A. |
| Barry, Sir Francis T. (Windsor) | Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.) | Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) |
| Bartley, Sir George C. T. | Grenfell, William Henry | Myers, William Henry |
| Bignold, Sir Arthur | Gretton, John | Parker, Sir Gilbert |
| Bill, Charles | Gunter, Sir Robert | Parkes, Ebenezer |
| Bingham, Lord | Hain, Edward | Pease, Herb. Pike (Darlington) |
| Blundell, Colonel Henry | Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F. | Pemberton, John S. G. |
| Bond, Edward | Hamilton, Marq. of (L'nd'nderry | Percy, Earl |
| Boscawen, Arthur Griffith | Hardy, Laurence (Kent, Ashford | Pierpoint, Robert |
| Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John | Hare, Thomas Leigh | Pilkington, Colonel Richard |
| Brotherton, Edward Allen | Haslam, Sir Alfred S. | Platt-Higgins, Frederick |
| Brymer, William Ernest | Heaton, John Henniker | Powell, Sir Francis Sharp |
| Bull, William James | Helder, Augustus | Pretyman, Ernest George |
| Butcher, John George | Hoare, Sir Samuel | Pryce-Jones. Lt.-Col. Edward |
| Campbell, J H. M. (DublinUni. | Hobhouse, Rt Hn H (Somers't, E | Purvis, Robert |
| Carson Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. | Houldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry | Pym, C. Guy |
| Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lanes.) | Hoult, Joseph | Rankin, Sir James |
| Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire | Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham) | Ratcliff, R. F. |
| Cayzer, Sir Charles William | Hozier, Hon James Henry Cecil | Reid, James (Greenock) |
| Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) | Hudson, George Bickersteth | Renshaw, Sir Charles Bine |
| Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm. | Hunt, Rowland | Renwick, George |
| Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. A. (Wore. | Hutton, John (Yorks. N. R.) | Ridley, S. Forde |
| Clive, Captain Percy A. | Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse | Ritchie, Rt Hon. Chas. Thomson |
| Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. | Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred | Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye |
| Coghill, Douglas Harry | Kennaway, Rt Hon. Sir John H. | Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert |
| Cohen, Benjamin Louis | Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T (Denbigh) | Rothschild. Hon. Lionel Walter |
| Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse | Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hon Col. W. | Round, Rt. Hon. James |
| Colomb, Rt. Hon. Sir John C. R. | Kerr, John | Royds, Clement Molyneux |
| Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole | Kimber, Sir Henry | Rutherford, John (Lancashire) |
| Corbett, A Cameron (Glasgow) | Knowles, Sir Lees | Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford |
| Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) | Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander |
| Cripps, Charles Alfred | Lawrence, Sir Joseph (Monm'th | Samuel, Sir Harry S (Limehouse |
| Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) | Lawson, Hn. H. L. W (Mile End) | Saunderson, Rt. Hn. Col. Edw. J. |
| Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton) | Lawson, John Grant (yorks. N. R | Seton-Karr, Sir Henry |
| Cubitt, Hon. Henry | Lee, Arthur H (Hants., Farcham | Skewes-Cox, Thomas |
| Dalkeith, Earl of | Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage | Sloan, Thomas Henry |
| Dalrymple, Sir Charles | Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S. | Spear, John Ward |
| Davenport, William Bromley | Llewellyn, Evan Henry | Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk. |
| Denny, Colonel | Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S) | Stanley, Edward Jas (Somerset) |
| Dickson, Robert Edmond | Loyd, Archie Kirkman | Stewart, Sir Mark J. M Taggart |
| Dickson, Charles Scott | Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft | Stroyan, John |
| Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph | Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred | Strutt, Hon. Chas. Hadley |
| Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- | Macdona, John Cumming | Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth) |
| Doxford, Sir William Theodore | MacIver, David (Liverpool) | Thorburn, Sir Walter |
| Duke, Henry Edward | Maconochie, A. W. | Thornton, Percy M. |
| Elliot, Hon. A. Ralph Douglas | M'Iver, Sir Lewis (Edinburgh W | Tollemache, Henry James |
| Fellowes, Rt Hn Ailwyn Edward | M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire | Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M. |
| Fergusson, Rt Hn. Sir. J. (Manc'r | Majendie, James A. H. | Tritton, Charles Ernest |
| Fielden Edward Brocklehurst | Malcolm, Ian | Tuff, Charles |
| Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. | Manners, Lord Cecil | Tuke, Sir John Batty |
| Fisher, William Hayes | Maxwell, Rt Hn Sir H. E (Wigt'n | Walrond, Rt. Hn Sir William H. |
| FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose | Maxwell, W. J H (Dumfriesshire | Welby, Lt.-Col. A. C. E, (Taunton |
| Flannery, Sir Fortescue | Melville, Beresford Valentine | Whiteley, H. (Ashton und. Lyne |
| Flower, Sir Ernest. | Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M. | Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset) |
| Forster, Henry William | Mildmay, Francis Bingham | Willoughby de Eresby, Lord |
| Galloway, William Johnson | Milvain, Thomas | Wilson-Todd, Sir W. H. (Yorks.) |
| Gardner Ernest | Mitchell, William (Burnley) | Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart |
| Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick | Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) | Wrightson, Sir Thomas |
| Gordon, Hn. J. E (Elgin & Nairn) | Moon, Edward Robert Pacy | |
| Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.) | Morgan, David J. (Walthamstow | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir |
| Gordon, Maj Evans (T'rH'mlets | Morpeth, Viscount | Alexander Acland-Hood and |
| Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby- | Morrison, James Archibald | Viscount Valentia. |
| Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon | Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer | |
| Graham, Henry Robert | Mount, William Arthur | |
| NOES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.) | Atherley-Jones, L. | Boland, John |
| Abraham, William (Rhondda) | Barlow, John Emmott | Bowles, T. Gibson (King's Lynn |
| Ainsworth, John Stirling | Barry, E. (Cork, S.) | Brand, Hon. Arthur G. |
| Allen, Charles P. | Benn, John Williams | Brigg, John |
| Ashton, Thomas Gair | Blake, Edward | Bright, Allan Heywood |
| Brown, George M. (Edinburgh) | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Rea, Russell |
| Bryce, Rt. Hon. James | Hobbouse, C. E H. (Bristol, E.) | Reddy, M. |
| Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn | Holland, Sir William Henry | Redmond, John E. (Waterford) |
| Burke, E. Haviland- | Horniman, Frederick John | Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) |
| Burns, John | Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk. | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) |
| Burt, Thomas | Jacoby, James Alfred | Robertson, Edmund (Dundee) |
| Caldwell, James | Johnson, John | Robson, William Snowdon |
| Cameron, Robert | Jones, David Brynmor (Swansea | Roche, John |
| Campbell John (Armagh S.) | Jones, Leif (Appleby) | Roe, Sir Thomas |
| Campbell, Bannerman, Sir H. | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire | Russell, T.W. |
| Causton, Richard Knight | Joyce, Michael | Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland) |
| Channing, Francis Allston | Kearley, Hudson E. | Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) |
| Cheetham, John Frederick | Kitson, Sir James | Schwann, Charles E. |
| Churchill, Winston Spencer | Labouchere, Henry | Shackleton, David James |
| Clancy, John Joseph | Lambert, George | Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) |
| Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark) | Lamont, Norman | Sheehan,Daniel Daniel |
| Cremer, William Randal | Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W.) | Shipman, Dr. John G. |
| Crombie, John William | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) | Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) |
| Crooks, William | Layland-Barratt, Francis | Smith, Samuel (Flint) |
| Dalziel, James Henry | Leese, Sir Joseph F. (Accrington | Soames, Arthur Wellesley |
| Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan | Leigh, Sir Joseph | Soares, Ernest J. |
| Delany, William | Leng, Sir John | Spencer, Rt. Hn. C R. (Northants |
| Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh. | Levy, Maurice | Stanhope, Hon. Philip James |
| Dillon, John | Lough, Thomas | Stevenson, Francis S. |
| Doogan, P. C. | Lundon, W. | Sullivan, Donal |
| Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) | Lyell, Charles Henry | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) |
| Duncan, J. Hastings | Mac Neill, John Gordon Swift | Tennant, Harold John |
| Dunn, Sir William | Mac Veagh, Jeremiah | Thomas, J A (Glamorgan, Gower |
| Edwards, Frank | M'Crae, George | Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.) |
| Elibank, Master of | M'Hugh, Patrick A. | Tomkinson, James |
| Ellice, Capt. E C (S Andrw'sB'ghs | Mansfield, Horace Rendall | Toulmin, George |
| Emmott, Alfred | Mooney, John J. | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
| Esmonde, Sir Thomas | Murphy, John | Villiers, Ernest Amherst |
| Fenwick, Charles | Nannetti, Joseph P. | Wallace, Robert |
| Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith) | Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) | Walton, Joseph (Barnsley) |
| Findlay, Alexander (Lanark, N E | Norman, Henry | Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan) |
| Flavin Michael Joseph | Norton, Capt. Cecil William | Whiteley, George (York, W. R.) |
| Flynn, James Christopher | Nussey, Thomas Willans | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) |
| Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry | O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary Mid | Williams, Osmond (Merioneth) |
| Gilhooly, James | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny | Wills, Arthur Walters (N Dorset |
| Gladstone, Rt Hn. Herbert John | O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W. | Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull, W.) |
| Goddard, Daniel Ford | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) | Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.) |
| Grey, Rt. Hn. Sir E (Berwick) | O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.) | Wilson, John (Falkirk) |
| Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | O'Dowd, John | Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N.) |
| Hummond, John | O'Malley, William | Young, Samuel |
| Hardie, J. Keir (Merthyr Tydvil | O'Mara, James | Yoxall, James Henry |
| Harwood, George | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. | |
| Hayden, John Patrick | Parrott, William | TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. |
| Hayter, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur D. | Partington, Oswald | M'Kenna and Mr. Runcimnan. |
| Helme, Norval Watson | Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) | |
| Hemphill, Rt. Hon. Charles H. | Pirie, Duncan V. |
Bill read a second time, and committed for Monday next.