§ Considered in Committee.
§ (In the Committee.)
§ [Mr. GRANT LAWSON (Yorkshire, N.R., Thirsk) in the Chair.]
§ Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the annual sum of £4,000 net be granted to His Majesty out of the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, the said annuity to commence and take effect upon the day upon which the right hon. William Court Gully, late Speaker of the House of Commons, ceased to hold the office of Speaker of the House of Commons, to be settled in the most beneficial manner upon, and to continue during the life of, him the said right hon. William Court Gully."—(Mr. A. J. Balfour.)
§ MR. KEIR HARDIE> (Merthyr Tydvil)moved to reduce the sum of £4,000 to £1,000. He wished to make it perfectly clear that he was animated by no personal feeling. Had he been present when the tributes were paid to the late Speaker he could have agreed with every word then spoken and every sentiment given expression to. But £4,000 was too much for one individual, and any sum was too much to pay to an official of that House so long as they could not find any sum, however small, to vote as pensions to aged workmen, of whom there were thousands—to whom the remark made of the Speaker that he had earned his pension by the performance of his duty equally applied. The other day some 500 men marched from Leicester to London in search of work. Out of the number 164 were ex-Army men, for whom no pensions had been provided. If it was to be a question of granting pensions to public servants only as distinct from ordinary civil workmen surely an ex-soldier was entitled to rank equally with 1227 an ex-Speaker. Ten years ago, when a similar Motion was made on the retirement of Mr. Speaker Peel, he said at the outset that it was a very disagreeble duty he had to perform. It was equally so that day, but it was a duty that had to be done and which would have to be done more frequently in the future than in the past. In order to mark his opinion that a pension of £4,000 was too much to be paid to an ex-official of that House, so long as working people outside got no pension at all, he begged
§ to move the substitution of £1,000 for £4,000.
§ Amendment proposed—
§ "To leave out "£4,000," and insert "£1,000."—(Mr. Keir Hardie)
§ Question put, "That '£4,000' stand part of the Question."
§ The Committee divided:—Ayes, 245; Noes, 17. (Division List No. 201.)
1229| AYES. | ||
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Dalkeith, Earl of | Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. |
| Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel | Dalrymple, Sir Charles | Higham, John Sharp |
| Ainsworth, John Stirling | Davenport, William Bromley | Hoarc, Sir Samuel |
| Allhusen, Augustus Henry E. | Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen) | Hobhouse, Rt Hn H (Somers't, E. |
| Allsopp, Hon. George | Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan | Hogg, Lindsay |
| Anson, Sir William Reynell | Denny, Colonel | Holland, Sir William Henry |
| Arnold-Forster, Rt. Hn. H. O. | Dewar, John A (Inverness-shire | Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside |
| Arrol, Sir William | Dickson, Charles Scott | Hornby, Sir William Henry |
| Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John | Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- | Horniman, Frederick John |
| Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hon. Sir H | Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) | Houldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry |
| Bagot, Capt. Josceline Fitz Roy | Doxford, Sir William Theodore | Howard, J (Midd, Tottenham) |
| Bailey, James (Walworth) | Duke, Henry Edward | Hozier, Hn. James Henry C. |
| Bain, Colonel James Robert | Duncan, J. Hastings | Isaacs, Rufus Daniel |
| Balcarres, Lord | Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. Hart | Jacoby, James Alfred |
| Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'r | Edwards, Frank | Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse |
| Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) | Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton | Jones, D. Brynmor (Swansea) |
| Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (Leeds) | Elliot, Hon. A. Ralph Douglas | Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H |
| Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. | Emmott, Alfred | Keswick, William |
| Banner, John S. Harmood- | Evans, Sir F. H. (Maidstone) | Kimber, Sir Henry |
| Bentinck, Lord Henry C. | Fellowes, Rt. Hn. Ailwyn Edw. | Kitson, Sir James |
| Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. | Fenwick, Charles | Knowles, Sir Lees |
| Blake, Edward | Fergusson, Rt. Hn Sir J. (Manc'r | Labouchere, Henry |
| Blundell, Colonel Henry | Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. | Lambton, Hn. Fredk. Wm. |
| Bond, Edward | Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N. E.) | Lamont, Norman |
| Boulnois, Edmund | Finlay, Sir R. B (Inv'rn'ss B'ghs | Langley, Batty |
| Brassey, Albert | Fisher, William Hayes | Laurie, Lieut.-General |
| Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John | FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose | Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) |
| Brown, George M. (Edinburgh | Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) |
| Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson | Flannery, Sir Fortescue | Lee, A. H. (Hants, Fareham) |
| Bryce, Rt. Hon. James | Flower, Sir Ernest | Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead |
| Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn | Forster, Henry William | Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington) |
| Bull, William James | Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry | Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage |
| Burt, Thomas | Freeman-Thomas, Captain F. | Llewellyn, Evan Henry |
| Caldwell, James | Galloway, William Johnson | Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham |
| Campbell, Rt. Hn. J A (Glasgow | Gardner, Ernest | Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S |
| Campbell, J. (Armagh, S.) | Garfit, William | Lonsdale, John Brownlee |
| Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. | Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk. | Lough, Thomas |
| Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H. | Gordon, Hn. J. E (Elgin & Nairn | Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft |
| Causton, Richard Knight | Gordon, Maj Evans (T'rH'mlets | Lucas, Reginald J (Portsmouth |
| Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh. | Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby | Lyell, Charles Henry |
| Cawley, Frederick | Greene, Sir E W (B'ry S Edm'nds | Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred |
| Chamberlain, Rt Hn J A (Worc.) | Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury | Macdona, John Cumming |
| Chapman, Edward | Hamilton, Rt. Hn. Lord G (Mid'x | MacIver, David (Liverpool) |
| Cheetham, John Frederick | Hamilton, Marq of (L'nd'nderry | M'Arthur, Chas. (Liverpool) |
| Churchill, Winston Spencer | Harcourt, Lewis | M'Iver, Sir Lewis (Edinburgh, W |
| Clive, Captain Percy A. | Hardy, Laurence (Kent, Ashford | M'Killop, James (Stirlingshir |
| Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. | Hare, Thomas Leigh | Majendie, James A. H. |
| Cohen, Benjamin Louis | Harris, F. Leverton (Tynem'th | Malcolm, Ian |
| Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) | Haslam, Sir Alfred S. | Marks, Harry Hananel |
| Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Hayter, Rt. Hn. Sir Arthur D. | Melville, Beresford Valentine |
| Craig, Chas. Curtis (Antrim, S. | Heaton, John Henniker | Middlemore, J. Throgmorton |
| Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark | Helder, Augustus | Milvain, Thomas |
| Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton | Helme, Norval Watson | Mitchell, Wm. (Burnley) |
| Montagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants.) | Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
| Moon, Edward Robert Pacy | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs) | Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward |
| Morley, Rt. Hn. John (Montrose | Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) | Turnour, Viscount |
| Morrison, James Archibald | Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) | Valentia, Viscount |
| Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer | Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye | Waldron, Laurence Ambrose |
| Mount, William Arthur | Rose, Charles Day | Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. H. |
| Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. | Rothschild, Hn. Lionel Walter | Walton, John Lawson(Leeds, S |
| Murray, Chas. J. (Coventry) | Runciman, Walter | Walton, Joseph (Barnsley) |
| Myers, William Henry | Russell, T. W. | Warde, (Colonel C. E. |
| Nicholson, William Graham | Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford | Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan |
| Nussey, Thomas Willans | Sadler, Col. S. Alexander | Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney |
| O'Malley, William | Samuel, Sir H. S. (Limehouse) | Welby, Lt-Col A. C. E. (Taunton |
| O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens | Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland) | Welby, Sir Chas. G. E. (Notts.) |
| Paulton, James Mellor | Seely, Maj. J. E. B. (Isle of Wight | Wharton, Rt. Hn. John Lloyd |
| Pearson, Sir Weetman D. | Sharpe, Wm. Edward T. | White, Luke (York, E. R.) |
| Peel, Hn. Wm. R. Wellesley | Shipman, Dr. John G. | Williams, Osmond (Merioneth) |
| Pemberton, John S. G. | Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) | Wilson, H. J. (York, W. R.) |
| Percy, Earl | Smith, Samuel (Flint) | Wilson, John (Falkirk) |
| Pierpoint, Robert | Soares, Ernest J. | Wilson, John (Glasgow) |
| Pilkington, Colonel Richard | Spencer, Rt. Hn C. R (Northants | Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N. |
| Pirie, Duncan V. | Stanley, Edw. Jas. (Somerset) | Woodhouse, Sir J T (Huddersf'd |
| Plummer, Sir Walter R. | Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Lancs. | Wortley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart |
| Powell, Sir Francis Sharp | Sullivan, Donal | Wrightson, Sir Thomas |
| Pretyman, Ernest George | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) | Wylie, Alexander |
| Purvis, Robert | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) | Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H. |
| Randles, John S. | Tennant, Harold John | Younger, William |
| Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne | Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr | |
| Reid, Sir R. Threshie (Dumfries | Thornton, Percy M. | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir |
| Remnant, James Farquharson | Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M. | Alexander Acland-Hood and |
| Renshaw, Sir Charles Bine | Toulmin, George | Mr. Herbert Gladstone. |
| NOES. | ||
| Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N. E.) | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Parrott, William |
| Abraham, William (Rhondda) | MacVeagh, Jeremiah | Richards, Thomas |
| Burke, E. Haviland | Nolan, Col. J. P. (Galway, N.) | Shackleton, David James |
| Crooks, William | O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid.) | |
| Delany, William | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. |
| Donelan, Captain A. | O'Connor, Jas. Wicklow, W.) | Keir Hardie and Mr. Nan |
| Doogan, P. C. | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) | netti. |
Main Question put, and agreed to.
§ Resolution to be reported to-morrow.