NAVAL WORKS [CONSOLIDATED FUND.]

HC Deb 25 July 1905 vol 150 cc287-318

Resolution reported, "That it is expedient to make further provision for the construction of works in the United Kingdom and elsewhere for the purposes of the Royal Navy, and to authorise the issue, out of the Consolidated Fund, of such sums not exceeding £5,835,000 as may be required for those purposes, and to make provision for raising in the manner provided by Section 5 of the Naval Works Act, 1895, the sams so issued by Terminable Annuities for a period not exceeding thirty years from the dates of the borrowing."

Resolution read a second time.

MR. SOARES (Devonshire, Barnstaple)

said that on a point of order he wished to know whether he could now move the Amendment of which he had given notice.

MR. SPEAKER

said that if there was any Amendment to be moved, now was the time to move it.

MR. SOARES

said he would move as an Amendment in the second line of the Motion after the word "works," to insert the words "already commenced." If his Amendment were adopted the Resolution would read that "it is expedient to make provision for the construction of works already commenced in the United Kingdom and elsewhere." He was quite aware that the Government had made a representation to the effect that there would be no more Naval Works Bills introduced in future, and that the expenditure on these works would henceforth be paid for out of revenue and dealt with on the Estimates But it was possible that it might be convenient for a Government in time to come to introduce a Naval Works Bill, and, therefore, he thought the Amendment he now proposed was necessary, because he saw that according to the Resolution the Government proposed to spend part of the £5,835,000 on new works which had not yet been commenced. He did not intend to go into all the particulars in detail, but he should like to call the attention of the right hon. Gentleman to the items, "for coaling facilities and fuel storage." In a note with regard to that, it was stated that considerable difficulty had been experienced in obtaining sites in connection with the coaling schemes, and that it was not anticipated that the work provided for in the estimate could be finished till 1907–8. If that meant anything, it meant that the Admiralty were actually proposing to purchase new sites. Surely that was beginning new work with a vengeance- There were many other items. For instance, there was "the Gibraltar dockyard extension," in which case they were told that the "reservoirs, provision for the dockyard employees, etc.," would not be completed till after 1905–6. All those works had yet to be begun, and he did not think they ought to be asked to vote money for them alter the representations made to them by the Civil Lord of the Admiralty. There were minor matters, such as the finishing of roads, and paving at Chatham, but he did not object to that, for he thought it reasonable. He thought, however, that they ought to have new works in the Estimates as promised. In his opinion the present was a totally unsatisfactory way of dealing with the matter. It undoubtedly led to extravagance, and it deprived the House of control. He therefore begged to move.

MR. COURTENAY WARNER (Staffordshire, Lichfield)

seconded. He said that everybody understood the pledge given in 1903 to mean that no new matter would be introduced into the Works Bill, and that no new works, not already begun, were to have any money spent upon them under the Bill. The whole transactions with regard to the Works Bill, however, had been so obscure that the House had been led to look upon it as coming to an end year after year, but they still had it produced before them, and there was the same demand for money under it. It was only in a death-bed repentance—when the Government knew that they could not carry on much longer—that they said that next year they would not have a Bill. Such a promise was a perfect farce. The original promise also was a farce. It was a mere farce to tell them that the Works Bill would not be increased in any way and at the same time to increase it by adding new items instead of paying for them out of the revenue of the country. When the pledge was made there was a general feeling, even on the Treasury Bench, that the Works Bills were bad policy and that they were to be curtailed, but the Government had gone on increasing the expenditure under the Bill year by year. He considered the Amendment should be accepted, and that, as the pledge given had been evaded, they ought to have something definite inserted to show that the Government was in earnest and would do something to curtail this ridiculous expenditure, which confused accounts and the money market without providing anything which could not be provided out of income if the business of the country were properly carried on.

Amendment proposed— In line 2, after the word 'works' to insert the words 'already commenced'"—(Mr. Soares.) Question proposed, "That those words be there inserted."

THE CIVIL LORD OF THE ADMIRALTY (Mr. ARTHUR LEE, Hampshire, Fareham)

said he did not think it was possible for the Government to accept the Amendment which was of a ambiguous character. There were no new items in the present Bill, and all the items in the schedule had already been commenced. It was impossible to distinguish between new items and individual portions of those items. The works under the headings of "coaling facilities," "electric lighting and power" and "coastguard buildings," were all necessary and were made up of a large number of separate items.

MR. SOARES

Is not buying sites new works?

MR. ARTHUR LEE

said there was a sum provided for new facilities for the coaling of the Fleet in different ports of the Empire, but it was impossible to take out one particular portion of a scheme in order to fall in with the hon. Member's view, It was a complete scheme for the coaling of the Fleet, and it was not possible, because one item might not have been commenced in a particular district, to drop it out. "Electric lighting and power" included a large number of small works in different ports and harbours, and it would be quite impossible to break a piece out of the middle or off the edges of schemes which had been thoroughly considered by the Admiralty and which had been in progress now for some years. If the Amendment were carried, it would have the effect of leaving gaps in complete schemes, and would in that way by detrimental to the best interests of the Navy.

MR. MCKENNA (Monmouthshire, N.)

said he understood the right hon. Gentleman to say that there were no new works and that all the money asked for was in respect of works already begun. Could he reconcile that with the statement of the Chancellor of the Exchequer on July 25th, 1904, when he said, speaking in reply to a debate in Committee on the Finance Bill, that he gathered that the hon. Gentlemen were rather anxious that the growth of small borrowings should be closely watched and not made a permanent part of their financial system. He was very much in accord with hon. Gentleman opposite, but he was bound to point out that works already sanctioned by Parliament and begun were coming to an end. They had overtaken arrears out of which they arose, and it would not be necessary to ask Parliament to make provision for them again. Of course it was true that in 1904 the Chancellor of the Exchequer did not think his Government would be in office a year later, and he was very well able to promise that he and his Party would not be responsible again for asking the House to make up arrears in respect of works already authorised. But in face of that statement they were now asked to authorise an expenditure of nearly £6,000,000 in respect of old works. Was it consistent with the statement of the Chancellor of the Exchequer? He understood the right hon. Gentleman to say that part of the works consisted of coaling facilities, but were they new or old? If they were old, he was met by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and if they were new he was met by the pledge given by the Chancellor of the Exchequer that he would not again ask the House to vote new works by this method. The right hon. Gentleman ought not to ask them to authorise these works by Bill; he ought frankly to ask them to vote them on the Estimates.

MR. LOUGH (Islington, W.)

thought that even if the Amendment were not accepted something ought to be done to meet the view of his hon. friend. A pledge had been given that no new expenditure should be provided for by this system of loans, and what his hon. friend desired was a definite undertaking that that pledge would be carried out. The reply of the representative of the Admiralty was most unsatisfactory. £1,000,000 was to be taken for electric lighting, a work for which provision ought never to be made by way of loan, and its inclusion n the Bill would be a flagrant violation of the understanding which had been arrived at. The Amendment was extremely reasonable; it would allow works already commenced to be provided for, and it simply asked the Government to give effect to its promise that no new works should be undertaken under this system.

MR. FIELD (Dublin, St. Patrick)

as an Irish representative protested against this system of raising money. Ireland would get no share of this expenditure, although her people had to bear more than their fair share of taxation. Everyone who took an interest in financial affairs must be aware that the financial business of the country was conducted on very unbusinesslike lines.

In addition to the ordinary Estimates, there were Supplementary Estimates and Bills for raising loans. The existing financial system was altogether against the commercial interests of the country, because the Chancellor of the Exchequer was obliged to go into the money market for loans, [thereby raising the price of money, and withdrawing it from the use of the commercial community. The commercial aspect of the question ought to be considered altogether apart from Party politics. He protested against the whole financial system of the Government; they were spending money recklessly in all directions. He hoped the hon. Member would go to a division, as he thought it was time fresh financial management was instituted. No explanation whatever had been given of the purposes for which this money was required. One of the principle functions of that House was to exercise the power of the purse, but that power was largely passing out of their hands into the hands of the Treasury officials.

MR. CHURCHILL (Oldham)

said it was extremely unsatisfactory that the House should be asked to take up the consideration of a matter of such great importance atone o'clock in the morning. The Resolution involved £6,000.000, and the Bill to be founded upon it would be brought in at the fag-end of the session by a sham Government and a sham Prime Minister who had fortified themselves by a sham vote of confidence. The hon. Member for Exeter had repeatedly drawn attention to the odious and improper practice of pretending to pay off the National Debt by the Sinking Fund and neutralising the effects of those payments by the passing of Naval Works and similar Acts. No practice more injuriously affected national finance or the public service than the bringing in of numerous Loans Bills in the course of a session. After ten years of this malpractice, during which the amount involved in these Acts had mounted up by millions, the Prime Minister and his friends in what might be their last year of office had developed good resolutions, and for the future, such works were to be charged on the annual Estimates. It was really a death-bed repentance. The hon. Member for Fare-ham had characterised the Amendment as ambiguous. It was nothing of the sort. When they were complaining of the great and growing expenditure under these Acts nothing could be more simple than that they should ask for a line to be drawn so that the works already commenced might be finished, and an undertaking given that there should be no further extensions of the system.

The Amendment was justified by the extraordinary changes in naval strength which had resulted from the war in the Far East. For years enormous Estimates had been voted on the basis of the two-Power standard, and now the navy of one of those Powers had been as completely wiped off the slate as though it had never existed. Was no modification to be introduced as a result of the war between Russia and Japan? Was there to be no modification on account of the Anglo-French Agreement? The time had come£when these great questions of naval policy must be considered from a new point of view. The Amendment would at least enable the House to terminate the liabilities which were now being contracted with the life of the present Government.

He asked the House to consider some of the details of the Memorandum which had been supplied to them, and which dealt with all sorts of matters. When they remembered the wasteful expenditure which had taken place at Gibraltar they were not encouraged to commit themselves to new enterprises beyond those which they had already undertaken at Gibraltar. When the defences at Gibraltar were first undertaken they fell back upon the naval experts, who stated that Gibraltar was impregnable. When those great military and naval works were nearly completed the same experts said that Gibraltar was indefen-

sible on account of improvements in modern guns. He had himself taken a very keen amateur interest in this question, and he had visited Gibraltar for the purpose of examining into the truth of all the statements which had been made, and which were the subject of an inquiry by a Commission. When mistakes of this kind were made by experts and by the Government it was not unnatural that hon. Members should be ready and willing to associate themselves with an Amendment such as that which was now before the House, in order to limit such undertakings which would commit them to the expenditure of a large sum of money in the future. Then there was the item for the dockyard extension at Hong-Kong, a matter which it did not appear to him had been properly thought out by the naval authorities in view of the alteration and changes in the naval power of the Far East. There were a good many other points to which he would like to refer, but, as they were aware, a vote in the House of Commons had apparently no meaning, and the Prime Minister had very little public respect—[MINISTERIAL cries of "Oh, oh !"]—and so he would reserve what he had to say until the main Question was put.

MR. AINSWORTH (Argyllshire)

rose to continue the debate.

Mr. A. J. BALFOUR

rose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put."

Question put, "That the Question be now put."

The House divided:—Ayes,230; Noes, 181. (Division List No. 305.)

AYES
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte	Baird, John George Alexander	Bingham, Lord
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel	Balcarres, Lord	Blundell, Colonel Henry
Allhusen, Augustus B. Eden	Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'r)	Brassey, Albert
Anson, Sir William Reynell	Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)	Brodrick, Bt. Hon. St. John
Arkwright, John Stanhope	Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (Leeds)	Brotherton, Edward Allen
Arnold-Forster. Rt. Hn. Hugh O	Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.	Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropsh.)
Arrol, Sir Wil liam	Banbury, Sir Fredk. George	Brymer, William Ernest
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John	Banner, John S. Harmood-	Burdett-Coutts, W.
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn. Sir H.	Bentinck, Lord Henry C.	Butcher, John George
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy	Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.	Campbell. J. H. M. (DublinUniv.
Bailey, James (Walworth)	Bignold, Sir Arthur	Carlile, Wliliam Walter
Bain, Colonel James Robert	Bigwood, James	Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.
Cautley, Henry Strother	Heath, SirJames(Staffords. NW	Percy, Earl
Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysbire	Helder, Sir Augustus	Pilkington, Colonel Richard
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)	Henderson, SirA. (Stafford, W.)	Platt-Higgins, Frederick
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)	Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T.	Plummer, Sir Walter R.
Chamberain. Rt. Hn. J. A. (Wor.	Hickman, Sir Alfred	Powell, Sir Francis Sharp
Chapman, Edward	Hill, Henry Staveley	Pretyman, Ernest George
Clare, Octavius Leigh	Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside	Pryce-. Jones, Lt. -Col. Edward
Clive, Captain Percy A.	Hornby, Sir William Henry	Purvis, Robert
Coates, Edward Feetham	Hoult, Joseph	Rankin, Sir James
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.	Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham	Ratcliff, R. F.
Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse	Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil	Reid, James (Greenock)
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole	Hudson, George Bickersteth	Remnant, James Farquharson
Compton, Lord Alwyne	Hunt, Rowland	Ridley, S. Forde
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)	Jameson, Major J. Eustace	Ritchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. T.
Cripps, Charles Alfred	Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred.	Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile	Jessel, Capt. Herbert Merton	Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Dalkeith, Earl of	Kenyor, Hn. Geo. T. (Denbigh	Robinson, Brooke
Dalrymple, Sir Charles	Kerr, John	Royds, Clement Molyneux
Davenport, William Bromley-	Keswick, William	Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)
Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)	Kimber, Sir Henry	Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-
Denny, Colonel	King, Sir Henry Seymour	Sadler, Col. Sir Samuel Alex,
Dickson, Charles Scott	Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.	Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert
Dimsdale, Rt. Hon. Sir J. C.	Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)	Saunderson, Rt, Hn. Col. Edw. J.
Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph	LawsonHn. H. L. W. (Mile End)	Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Dorington, Rt. Hn. Sir John E.	Lee, A. H. (Hants., Fareham)	Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln)
Doughty, Sir George	Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage	Sharpe, William Edward T.
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-	Leveson-Gower, Fredk. N. S.	Sinclair, Louis (Romford)
Doxford, Sir William Theodore	Llewellyn, Evan Henry	Skewes-Cox, Sir Thomas
Duke, Henry Edward	Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham)	Smith, A. H (Hereford, East)
Dyke, Rt. Hn. SirWilliam Hart	Long, Rt. Hon. W. (Bristol, S.)	Smith, HC. (North'mb. Tynes'e
Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton	Lonsdale, John Brownlee	Smith, RtHnJParker (Lanarks)
Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.)	Lowe, Francis William	Smith, Hn. W. F. D. (Strand)
Fellowes, Rt. Hn. AilwynEdw.	Loyd, Archie Kirkman	Stanley, Hn. Arthur(Ormskirk
Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r	Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft)	Stanley, Edw. Jas. (Somerset)
Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.	Lucas, Reg. J. (Portsmouth)	Stanley, Rt. Hn. Lord (Lanes.)
Finlay, Rt. Hn. SirRB (Inv'rn'ss	Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred	Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart
Fisher, William Hayes	Macdona, John Gumming	Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose-	Maconochie. A. W.	Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
Fitzroy, Hon. Edw. Algernon	M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)	Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Flannery, Sir Fortescue	MIver, Sir L. (Edinburgh, W.)	Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Oxfd Univ
Flower, Sir Ernest	M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)	Thorburn, Sir Walter
Forster, Henry William	Majendie, James A. H.	Tollemache, Henry James
Foster, P. S. (Warwick, S. W.)	Malcolm, Ian.	Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Gardner, Ernest	Manners, Lord Cecil	Tuff, Charles
Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H.	Marks, Harry Hananer	Tumour, Viscount.
Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.)	Martin, Richard Biddulph	Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)
Gordon, MajEvans-(T'r H'mrts	Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F.	Walker, Col. William Hall
Goschen, Hon. Geo. Joachim	Maxwell, Rt. Hn. SirHE (Wigt'n	Walrond, Rt. Hon. Sir W- H.
Goulding, Edward Alfred	Melville, Beresford Valentine	Warde, Colonel C. E.
Graham, Henry Robert	Middlemore, J. Throgmorton	Welby, Lt. -Col. A. C. E. (Taunt'n
Green, W. D. (Wednesbury)	Mildmay, Francis Bingham	Whiteley. H (Ashton und. Lyne
Greene, H. D. (Shrewsbury)	Milvain, Thomas	Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Greene, W. Raymond- (Cambs.	Moleswortli, Sir Lewis	Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)
Grenfell, William. 'Henry	Montagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants.)	Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Gretton, John	Moon, Edward Robert Pacy	Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R.)
Groves, James Grim ble	Morgan, B. J. (Walthamstow)	Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Guthrie, Walter Murray	Morpeth, Viscount	Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)
Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F	Morrell, George Herbert	Wolff, Gustay Wilhelm
Hambro, Charles Eric	Morrison, James Archibald	Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
Hamilton, RtHnLord G. Middx	Mount, William Arthur	Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Hamilton, Marq. of (Lindndery	Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.	Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H-
Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford)	Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)	Yerburgh, Robert Armstrong
Hare, Tborras Leigh	Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath),
Harris, F. Leverten (Tynen'th	Nicholson, William Graham	TELLERS FOE THE AYES—Sir Alexander Acland — Hood and Viscount Valentia
Hay, Hon. Claude George	Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury)
Heath, Arthur H. (Hanley)	Parkes, Ebenezer
NOES.
braham, William (Cork, N. E)	Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herb. Henry	Beaumont, Wentworth C. B.
Ainsworth, John Stirling	Baker, Joseph Allen	Bell, Richard
Allen, Charles P.	Barran, Rowland Hirst	Black, Alexander William
Ambrose, Robert	Barry, E. (Cork, S.)	Boland, John

Brown, G. M. (Edinburgh)	Henderson, Arthur (Durham)	Partington, Oswald
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn	Highara, John Sharp	Peale, J. A. (Saffron Walden)
Burke, E. Haviland	Hutchinson, Dr. Chaa. Fredk.	Power, Patrick Joseph
Buxton, NE(York, NR, Whitby	Isaacs, Rufus Daniel	Priestley, Arthur
Buxton, Sydney Chas. (Poplar)	Joicey, Sir James	Rea, Russell
Caldwell, James	Jones, D. Brynmor (Swansea)	Reddy, M.
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)	Jones, Leif (Appleby)	Redmond. Jolin E. (Waterford)
Campbell-Bamierman, Sir H.	Jones, William (Camarvonsh.	Richards, Thomas
Causton, Richard Knight	Jordan, Jeremiah	Rickett, J. Compton
Cawley, Frederick	Kearley, Hudson E.	Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
Chance, Frederick William	Kennedy, V. P. (Cavan, W.)	Roche, John (Galway, East)
Channing, Francis Allston	Kilbride, Denis	Roe, Sir Thomas
Cheetham, John Frederick	Labouchere, Henry	Rose, Charles Day
Churchill, Winston Spencer	Lambert, George	Russell, T. W.
Clancy, John Joseph	Lamont, Norman	Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland)
Cogan, Denis J.	Langley, Batty	Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Condon, Thomas Joseph	Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.)	Schwann, Charles E.
Crean, Eugene	Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)	Seely, Maj. J. E. B. (Isle of Wight
Cremer, William Randal	Layland-Barratt, Francis	Shackleton, David James
Cullinan, J.	Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington)	Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan)	Leigh, Sir Joseph	Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)
Delany, William	Levy, Maurice	Sheehy, David
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway	Lough, Thomas	Shipman, Dr. John G.
Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.)	Lundon, W.	Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Dewar. JohnA. (Inverness-sh.)	Lyell, Charles Henry	Slack, John Bamford
Dillon, John	MacNeill, John Gordon Swift	Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Doogan, P C.	MacVeagh, Jeremiah	Soares, Ernest J.
Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)	M'Fadden, Edward	Spencer, Rt. Hn. CR(Northants.)
Duffy, William J.	M'Hugh, Patrick A.	Stanhope, Hon. Philip James
Duncan, J. Hastings	M'Kean, John	Strachey, Sir Edward
Edwards, Frank	M'Kenna, Reginald	Sullivan, Donal
Elibank, Master of	M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North)	Tennant, Harold John
Ellice, CaptEC(S Andrw's Bghs	Mansfield, Horace Rendall	Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.
Ellis, John Edward (Notts.)	Markham, Arthur Basil	Thomas, David A. (Merthyr)
Esmonde, Sir Thomas	Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh, N)	Thomas, JA(Glamorgan, Gower
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan)	Mooney, John J.	Tomkinson, James
Eve, Harry Trelawney	Moss, Samuel	Toulmin. George
Farrell, James Patrick	Muldoon, John	Trevelvan, Charles Philips
Fenwick, Charles	Murnaghan, George	Tully, jasper
Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith)	Murphy, John	Villiers, Ernest Amherst
Ffrench, Peter	Nannetti, Joseph P.	Wallace, Robert
Field, William	Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)	Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N. E.)	Norman, Henry	Wason, J. Cathcart(Orkney)
Flavin, Michael Joseph	O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid.)	Weir, James Galloway
Flynn, James Christopher	O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)	White, George (Norfolk)
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)	O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)	White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry	O'Connor, James (Wicklow. W)	White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Fuller, J. M. F.	O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)	Whiteley, Geo (York, W. R.)
Gilhooly, James	O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)	Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Goddard, Daniel Ford	O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)	Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.)
Griffith, Ellis J.	O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)	Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Hammond, John	O'Dowd, John	Wood, James
Harcourt, Lewis	O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)	Woodhouse, SirJT (Huddersf'd
Hardie, J. K. (Merthyr Tydvil)	O'Kelly, J. (Roscommon, N.)
Harrington. Timothy	O'Malley, William	TELLERS FOE THE NOES—Mr. Herbert Gladstone and Mr. William M'Arthur
Hayden, John Patrick	O'Mara, James
Sayter, Rt. Hn. Sir Arthur D.	O'Shauglmessy, P. J.
Helme, Norval Watson	O'Shee, James John

Question put accordingly, "That those words be there inserted."

The House divided:—Ayes, 178; Noes 229. (Division List No. 306.)

AYES.
Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N. E.)	Barry, E. (Cork, S.)	Bryce, Rt. Hn. James
Ainsworth, John Stirling	Beaumont, Wentworth C. B.	Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn
Ambrose, Robert	Bell, Richard	Burke, E. Haviland
Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herb. Henry	Black, Alexander William	Buxton, N. E(York, NRWhitby
Baker, Joseph Allen	Boland, John	Buxton, S. Charles (Poplar)
Barran, Rowland Hirst	Brown, George M.(Edinburgh)	Caldwell, James
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)	Joicey, Sir James	Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden)
Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H.	Jones, David B. (Swansea)	Power, Patrick Joseph
Causton, Richard Knight	Jones, Leif (Appleby)	Priestley, Arthur
Cawley, Frederick	Jones, William (Carnarvonsh.	Rea, Russell
Chance, Frederick William	Jordan, Jeremiah	Reddy, M.
Channing, Francis Allston	Kennedy, Vincent P. (Cavan, W.	Redmond, J. E. (Waterford)
Cheetham, John Frederick	Kilbride, Denis	Richards, Thomas
Clancy, John Joseph	Lambert, George	Rickett, J. Compton
Cogan, Denis J.	Lamont, Norman	Roberts, John H. (Denbighs)
Condon, Thomas Joseph	Langley, Batty	Roche, John (Galway, East)
Crean, Eugene	Law, Hugh Alex (Donegal, W.	Roe, Sir Thomas
Cremer, William Randal	Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)	Rose, Charles Day
Cullinan, J.	Layla. nd-Barratt, Francis	Russall, T. W.
Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan)	Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington)	Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland)
Delany, William	Leigh, Sir Joseph	Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay(Galway	Levy, Maurice	Schwann, Charles E.
Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.)	Lough, Thomas	Seely, Maj. J. E. B. (Isleof Wight
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.)	Lundon, W.	Shackleton, David James
Dillon, John	Lyell, Charles Henry	Shaw, Chas. Edw. (Stafford)
Doogan, P. C.	MacNeill, John Gordon Swift	Shaw, Thomas (Hawick, B.)
Douglas, Chas. M. (Lanark)	MacVeagh, Jeremiah	Sheehy, David
Duffy, William J.	M'Arthur, Wm. (Cornwall)	Shipman, Dr. John G.
Duncan, J. Hastings	M'Fadden, Edward	Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Edwards, Frank	M'Hugh, Patrick A.	Slack, John Bamford
Elibank, Master of	M'Kean, John	Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Ellice, CaptE. C(S. Andrw'sBghs	M'Kenna, Reginald	Spencer, RtHn. C. R. (Northants
Ellis, John Edward (Notts.)	M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North)	Stanhope, Hn. Philip James
Esmonde, Sir Thomas	Mansfield, Horace Rendall	Strachey, Sir Edward
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan)	Markham, Arthur Basil	Sullivan, Donal
Eve, Harry Trelawney	Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh, N.	Tennant, Harold John
Farrell, James Patrick	Mooney, John J.	Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.
Fenwick, Chnrles	Moss, Samuel	Thomas, David A. (Merthyr)
Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith)	Muldoon, John	Thomas, JA(Glamorgan, Gower
Ffrench, Peter	Murnaghan, George	Tomkinson, James
Field, William	Murphy, John	Toulmin, George
Findlay, AlexandervLinark, NE	Nannetti, Joseph P.	Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Flavin, Michael Joseph	Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)	Tully, Jasper
Flynn, James Christopher	Norman, Henry	Villiers, Ernest Amherst
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)	O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid)	Wallace, Robert
Fuller, J. M. F.	O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)	Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Gilhooly, James	O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.	Wason, J. Cathcart (Orkney)
Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herb. John	O'Connor, James (Wicklow. W.	Weir, James Galloway
Goddard, Daniel Ford	O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)	White, George (Norfolk)
Griffith, Ellis J.	O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)	White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Hammond, John	O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)	White, Patrick (Meath, North
Harcourt, Lewis	O'Dannell, T. (Kerry, W.	Whiteley, George (York. W. R.
Hardie, J. Keir(Merthyr Tydvil	O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W-)	Williams, Osmond (Merioneth
Harrington, Timothy	O'Dowd, John	Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.
Hayden, John Patrick	O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)	Wilson, John (Durham, Mid)
Hayter, Rt. Hn. Sir Arthur D.	O'Kelly, Jas. (Roscommon, N.	Wood, James
Helme, Norval Watson	O'Malley, William	Woodhouse, SirJ. T. (Hudd'rsf'd
Henderson, Arthur (Durham)	O'Mara, James
Higham, John Sharp	O'Shaughnessy, P. J.	TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr. Soaies and Mr. Charles Allen.
Hutchinson, Dr. Chas. Fredk.	O'Shee, James John
Isaacs, Rufus Daniel	Partington, Oswald
NOES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte	Balfour, Rt Hn. A. J. (Manch'r)	Brotherton, Edward Alien
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel	Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)	Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropsh.
Allhusen, Augustus HenryEden	Balfour, RtHn. GeraldW. (Leeds	Brymer, William Ernest
Anson, Sir Wm. Reynell	Balfour, Kenneth R. (Chriscth.	Burdett-Coutts, W.
Arkwright, John Stanhope	Banbury, Sir Frederick George	Butcher, John George
Arnold-Foreter, Rt. Hn. Hugh O.	Banner, John S. Harmood	Campbell, J. H. M. (DublinUniv.
Arrol, Sir William	Bentinck, Lord Henry C.	Carlile, William Walter
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John	Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.	Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H.
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn. Sir H.	Bignold, Sir Arthur	Cautley, Henry Strother
Bagot, Capt. JoscelineFitzRoy	Bigwood, James	Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh.
Bailey, James (Walworth)	Bingham, Lord	Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor
Bain, Colonel James Robert	Blundell, Colonel Henry	Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)
Baird, John George Alexander	Brassey, Albert	Chamberlain, RtHn. J. A. (Wore
Balcarres, Lord	Brodrick, Rt. Hn. St. John	Chapman, Edward

Clare, Octavins Leigh	Hill, Henry Staveley	Plummer, Sir Walter R.
Clive, Captain Percy A.	Hope, JF. (Sheffield, Brightside)	Powell, Sir Francis Sharp
Cochrane, Hn. Thos. H. A. E.	Hornby, Sir William Henry	Pretyman, Ernest George
Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse	Hoult, Joseph	Pryce-Jones, Lt. -Col. Edward
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole	Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham	Purvis, Robert
Compton, Lord Alwyne	Hozier, Hn. Jas. Henry Cecil	Rankin, Sir James
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North	Hudson, George Bickersteth	Ratcliff, R. F.
Cripps, Charles Alfred	Hunt, Rowland	Reid, James (Greenock)
Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile	Jameson, Major J. Eustace	Remnant, James Farquharson
Dalkeith, Earl of	Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred	Ridley, S. Forde
Dalrymple, Sir Charles	Jessel, Captain HerbertMerton	Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson
Davenport, W. Bromley-	Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T. (Denbigh)	Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)	Kerr, John	Robertson, Herbert (Hackney
Denny, Colonel	Keswick, William	Robinson, Brooke
Dickson, Charles Scott	Kimber, Sir Henry	Royds, Clement Molyneux
Dimsdale, Rt. Hn. Sir Joseph	King, Sir Henry Seymour	Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)
Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph	Lambton, Hon. Fredck. Wm.	Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford
Dorington, Rt. Hn. Sir John E.	Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)	Sadler, Col. Sir Samuel Alex.
Doughty, Sir George	Lawson, Hn. H. L. W. (Mile End	Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert
Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers	Lee, Arthur H. (Hants, Fareham	Saunderson, Rt. Hn. Col. Edw. J.
Doxford, Sir Wm. Theodore	Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage	Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.
Duke, Henry Edward	Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S.	Seely, Chas. Hilton (Lincoln)
Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. Hart	Llewellyn, Evan Henry	Sharpe, Wm. Edward T.
Egerton, Hn. A. de Tatton	Long, Col, Chas. W. (Evesham	Sinclair, Louis (Romford)
Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.)	Long, Rt. Nn. Walter (Bristol. S.	Skewes-Cox, Sir Thomas
Fellowes, RtHn. Ailwyn Edw.	Lonsdale, John Brownlee	Smith, A. H. (Hertford, East)
Fergusson, Rt. Hn. SirJ. (Manc'r	Lowe, Francis William	Smith, H. C(North'mb, Tyneside
Finch, Rt. Hn. George H.	Loyd, Archie Kirkman	Smith, RtHnJ. Parker(Lanarks
Finlay, Rt. Hn. SirRB(Inv'rn'ss	Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft)	Smith, Hn. W. F. D. (Strand)
Fisher, William Hayes	Lucas, ReginaldJ. (Portsmouth	Stanley, Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk
FitzGerald, Sir Robt. Penrose	Lyttelton, Rt. Hn. Alfred	Stanley, Edward Jas (Somerset
Fitzroy, Hn. Edward Algernon	Macdona, John Cumming	Stanley, Rt. Hn. Lord (Lancs.
Flannery, Sir Fortescue	Maconochie, A. W.	Stewart, Sir M. J. M'Taggart
Flower, Sir Ernest	M'Arthur, Chas. (Liverpool)	Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
Forster, Henry William	M'lver, Sir L. (Edinburgh, W.	Strutt, Hn. Charles Hedley
Foster, P. S. (Warwick, S. W.)	M'Killop, Jas. (Stirlingshire)	Talbot, Lord E (Chichester)
Gardner, Ernest	Majendie, James A. H.	Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Oxf'dUniv
Gibbs, Hn. A. G. H.	Malcolm, Ian	Thorburn, Sir Walter
Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.)	Manners, Lord Cecil	Tollemache, Henry James
Gordon, Maj. Evans(T'rH'mlt's	Marks, Harry Hananel	Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Goschen, Hn. George Joachim	Martin, Richard Biddulph	Tuff, Charles
Goulding, Edward Alfred	Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F.	Turnour, Viscount
Graham, Henry Robert	Maxwell, Rt. Hn. SirHE. (Wigt'n	Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)
Green, W. D. (Wednesbury)	Melville, Beresford Valentine	Walker, Col. William Hall
Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury	Middlemore, J. Throgmorton	Walrond, RtHn. Sir William H.
Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs	Mildmay, Francis Bingham	Warde, Colonel C. E.
Grenfell, William Henry	Milvain, Thomas	Welby, Lt. Col. A. C. E. (Taunton
Gretton, John	Molesworth, Sir Lewis	Whiteley. H. (Ashton und Lyne
Groves, James Grimble	Montagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants.	Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Guthrie, Walter Murray	Moon, Edward Robert Pacy	Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)
Halsey, Rt. Hn. Thomas F.	Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow)	Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Hambro, Charles Erie	Morpeth, Viscount	Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R.
Hamilton, RtHn. Lord G. (Midx	Morrell, George Herbert	Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Hamilton. Marq. of (L'donderry	Morrison, James Archibald	Wodehouse, Rt Hn. E. R. (Bath)
Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford)	Mount, William Arthur	Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Hare, Thomas Leigh	Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.	Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
Harris, F. Leverton(Tynemouth	Murray, Chas. J. (Coventry)	Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Hay, Hon. Claude George	Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)	Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H.
Heath, Arthur H. (Hanley)	Nicholson, William Graham	Yerburgh, Robert Armstrong
Heath, Sir Jas. (Staffords. N. W.	Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury)
Helder, Sir Augustus	Parkes, Ebenezer	TELLERS FOR THE NOES—SirAlexander Acland Hood and Viscount Valentia
Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W.	Percy, Earl
Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T.	Pilkington, Colonel Richard.
Hickman, Sir Alfred	platt-Higgins, Frederick

MR. REA (Gloucester)

moved in line 4 to leave out "£5,835,000" and insert "£3,835,000." He said he moved that considerable reduction not because he disputed the necessity of any item in the schedule, and not because, as a layman, he ventured to assert that any single item was excessive; but because he strongly maintained that this was not the right way to pay for the expenditure. It was bad finance to distribute the expenditure for a great many of these items over thirty years. They ought to have been included in the Estimates. For instance, possibly some of the £500,000 for coaling facilities was for land, but the greater portion was for machinery. Then there was over £1,000,000 for electric lighting and power. It seemed to him an indefensible financial policy to put that item into a Naval Works Rill at all. He was perfectly aware it would be said that local authorities were permitted to borrow money for precisely the same period for the same purpose, but hon. Members on the other side never ceased to criticise them for it; and they were imitating the local authorities in the worst and most unsound particular of their finance. It was all very well for the Government to say they would borrow no more, but they were leaving as a legacy to their successors a permanent charge of £5,000,000 per annum in respect of a debt amounting to £40,000,000 sterling for expenditure, all of which ought to have been found year by year.

He wished to ask the Government one Question with regard to Dover Harbour. Was the expenditure in respect of that harbour altogether naval expenditure, or were they not providing out of the taxes for a com- mercial port at Dover? Was it not a fact that local pressure had been brought to bear upon the Department so that they were providing a commercial free port at Dover? Free ports conduced to the commercial prosperity of a country, but the poit of Dover was of a peculiar character. It appeared to be too small to be of any use for any English shipping firm, but it was used now as a free port by the German steamers who called there and gathered up passengers for America without paying those ordinary dues which English firms had to pay at Southampton Liverpool, and elsewhere. That appeared to him to have been the peculiar result of their first experiment in establishing free commercial ports. He would like an Answer to that particular Question. He did not blame the Department because he believed it had brought its expenditure on the item down to the smallest point; but other interests had prevailed and made it imperative that the provision should be made.

MR. AINSWORTH

seconded. He said he would give one item to show how the columns were prepared, and, if the others were at all of the same character, he thought the House would come to the conclusion that before they voted £6,000,000 they had better know a little more as to how the estimates were made up. They were asked to authorise an expenditure of £49,320 in the next three years at Rosyth. The total cost of the preliminary works was £200,000, and up to March 31st, 1904, £147,000 odd had been expended. That expenditure was practically for the acquisition of a site, obtained with the idea of establishing a naval base; but they had always been told that the character of the base was still under consideration, and it was quite probable they were going on surveying to see what the resources of the site were with a view to deciding as to the future of the base. Why had the estimate for survey charges jumped from £3,000 to £50,000? He would give the reason. The original Estimate was for £200,000, and as only £150,000 had been spent the Department held the view that they must get rid of the balance of £50,000. There were several railway directors present. They knew tnat they could put into their half-yearly statements any estimated expenditure they liked, but the shareholders would so m have something to say if they were told that £100,000 had been spent simply because the expenditure was authorised. Some further explanation of these items was necessary, and he thought that when so large an expenditure was involved the Chancellor of the Exchequer ought to be in his place.

Amendment proposed — In line 4, to leave out '£3,835,000,' to insert '£3,835,000.'"—(Mr. Rea.) Question proposed, "That '£5,835,000' stand part of the said Resolution."

MR. ARTHUR LEE

said that if the hon. Member for Argyllshire had been present when this matter was last discussed he would have heard certain facts which would have relieved him of the necessity of making the speech he had just delivered about theRosyth expenditure. It was then stated that the total estimate for Rosyth was £2,500,000, the balance of which would be provided in the ordinary Navy Estimates, in accord- ance with the generally expressed wish of hon. Gentlemen opposite.

MR. AINSWORTH

asked why the proposed expenditure under this Resolution was exactly the amount of the difference between the sum already spent and the £200,000 originally talked about.

MR. ARTHUR LEE

said it was obvious that the unexpended balance of the £200,000 remained available for carrying on the preliminary works, and it would be so used until it was exhausted. It was not provided altogether for surveying, but for preliminary works.

MR. CHURCHILL

asked what were the preliminary works.

MR. ARTHUR LEE

said they included the purchase of land, the erection of offices, the surveying of the site, the expenses of the staff, the preparation of plans, arrangements for making a railway connection and for water supply, and other items of that character. Ihe proposed reduction could not be accepted; it would practically destroy the Bill, and make it impossible to proceed with works already sanctioned for which contracts had been made, thus placing the Government in the uneviable position of defaulters in connection with their contracts. The hon. Member had not shown how he proposed to effect the reduction, but had based his case mainly upon objections to the general principle of borrowing, particularly referring to electric lighting, thereby disregarding the precedents set by almost every municipal authority in the Kingdom. When this particular item was introduced in the Bill of 1903 it was received without a single word of dissent, and it was a little late in the day to come forward now with these fundamental objections. As to the legacy of debt which the hon. Member said the Government would leave to their successors, he did not know whence the hon. Member got his figures.

MR. REA

said he gave the amount of terminable annuities for works altogether, naval, military, and civil.

MR. ARTHUR LEE

said he understood the hon. Member to be referring to naval works alone. This system of borrowing was originated by a Liberal Government it had been sanctioned on many occasions, and it would be quite impossible for the Government to agree to the proposed reduction.

MR. SYDNEY BUXTON

(Tower Hamlets, Poplar) said the hon. Member really missed the point of their objections to the Bill. The Amendment afforded a real test of the sincerity of the Government in their declaration that there should be no more of these loans in the future.

MR. ARTHUR LEE

I did not say that I the Government would not borrow any further by Loans Bills. It is obvious that there are certain amounts still unprovided for.

MR. SYDNEY BUXTON

said that while he and his friends did not say there should not be any loans under any conditions, they adhered generally to the view that these works should be paid for out of revenue and not by loan. The Government had included in the schedule certain items which ought never to have been met out of loan at all. If the Government were really desirous that these expenses should be met out of revenue in future they ought to show their sincerity by placing them in their annual expenditure for the current year instead of borrowing. Such matters as electric lighting ought clearly to come out of revenue and not loans. He did not quite understand the explanation which had been given in regard to Eosyth. His hon. friend said that £200,000 was the preliminary Estimate, and the additional expenditure of £2,300,000 would be borne out of revenue. At present the Government did not know what they were going to spend this money upon. With regard to the item for Chatham and Portsmouth he noticed certain items for additional works and supplementary buildings which he did not think ought to be placed in a Loans Bill. Why should those who might succeed the present Government be saddled with this heavy expenditure upon Rosyth? The Government should have met this expenditure out of revenue instead of reducing taxation, and they ought not to pass on liabilities amounting to £2,000,000 or £3,000,000 to their successors. He thought they were quite justified in raising the whole principle of these Loan Bills whenever they got an opportunity.

MR. MCKENNA

said the hon. Gentleman who spoke on behalf of the Government excused himself and the Government on the ground that the present Opposition introduced the system of Loans Bills, and he said that the last Liberal Government raised £800,000 in that way. Was the House aware that the present Govern-had raised £68,000,000 in this way? The hon. Member for Argyllshire had asked why the representative of the Treasury was not present. He thought it was little less than a scandal that the Treasury was not represented whilst this question was under discussion. Speaking on the Second Reading of the Finance Bill the Secretary to the Treasury said that the Chancellor of the Exchequer, in his Budget speech clearly and distinctly intimated that he would discourage the idea of adding to the National Debt by naval, military, or public works, and he stated that the House might rest assured that any assistance they could give in that direction would be welcomed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. That was a pledge which was given this year, and yet not one word was said about the intentions of the Government in regard to such a measure as this. At that time the Chancellor of the Exche-

quer distinctly stated that all the outstanding arrears had been paid off, and in face of that statement this Bill was brought forward and no representative of the Treasury was present to support the emphatic statements which had been made on the subject. The hon. Member for Fareham had now made a proposal to the House, in direct contradiction of the express statement made by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and as a protest against the absence of any representative of the Treasury he begged to move the adjournment of the debate.

Mr. A. J. BALFOUR

rose in hisplace, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put.

Question put, "That the Question be now put."

The House divided:—Ayes, 218; Noes, 170. (Division List, No. 307.)

AYES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte	Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John	Dickson, Charles Scott
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel	Brymer, William Ernest	Dimsdale, Rt. Hon. SirJosephC.
Allhusen, Augustus HenryEden	Burdett-Coutts, W.	Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph
Anson, Sir William Reynell	Butcher, John George	Dorington, Rt. Hon. Sir JohnE.
Arkwright, John Stanhope	Campbell, J. H. M. (DublinUniv.	Doughty, Sir George
Arnold-Forster. Rt. Hn. HughO.	Carlile, William Walter	Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-
Arrol, Sir William	Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.	Doxford, Sir William Theodore
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John	Cautley, Henry Strother	Duke, Henry Edward
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hon. SirH	Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire)	Dyke, Rt. Hon. SirWilliamHart
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy	Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)	Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton
Bailey, James (Walworth)	Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)	Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.)
Baird, John George Alexander	Chamberlain, Rt. HnJ. A. (Worc.	Fellowes, RtHn. AilwynEdward
Balcarres, Lord	Chapman, Edward	Fergusson, Rt. Hn. SirJ. (Manc'r
Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manch'r	Clive, Captain Percy A.	Finch, Rt. Hn. George H.
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)	Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.	Finlay, Rt. Hn. SirR. B. (Inv'rn'ss
Balfour, Rt. HnGeraldW. (Leeds	Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse	Fisher, William Hayes
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christen.	Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole	FitzGerald, Sir RobertPenrose-
Banbury, Sir Frederick George	Compton, Lord Alwyne	Fitzroy, Hon. EdwardAlgernon
Banner, John S. Harmood-	Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)	Flannery, Sir Fortescue
Bentinck, Lord Henry C.	Cripps, Charles Alfred	Flower, Sir Ernest
Bhownagree, Sir M. M.	Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile	Forster, Henry William
Bignold, Sir Arthur	Dalkeith, Earl of	Foster, PhilipS. (Warwick, S. W.
Bigwood, James	Dalrymple, Sir Charles	Gardner, Ernest
Bingham, Lord	Davenport, W. Bromley-	Gordon, J. (Londonderry, South
Blundell, Colonel Henry	Davies, SirHoratioD. (Chatham	Gordon, MajEvans-(T'rH'mlets
Brassey, Albert	Denny, Colonel	Goulding, Edward Alfred
Graham, Henry Robert	Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred	Royds, Clement Molyneux
Green, WalfordD. (Wednesbury	Macdona, John dimming	Rutherford, W- W. (Liverpool)
Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.)	Maconochie, A. W.	Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-
Grenfell, William Henry	M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)	Sadler, Col. Sir Samuel Alex.
Gretton, John	M'lver, SirLewis(EdinburghW.	Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert
Groves, James Grimble	M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)	Saunderson, Rt. Hn. Col. Edw. J.
Guthrie, Walter Murray	Majendie, James A. H.	Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F.	Malcolm, Ian	Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln)
Hambro, Charles Eric	Manners, Lord Cecil	Sharpe, William Edward T.
Hamilton, Marq. of(L'donderry	Marks, Hairy Hananel	Sinclair, Louis (Romford)
Hardy, Laurence (KentAshford	Martin, Richard Biddulph	Skews-Cox, Sir Thomas
Hare, Thomas Leigh	Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. E.	Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)
Harris, F. Leverton(Tynem'th)	Maxwell, Rt. HnSirHE. (Wigt'n	Smith, HC(Northumb. Tyneside
Hay, Hon. Claude George	Melville, Beresford Valentine	Smith, Rt. HnJ. Parker(Lanarks
Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley	Middlemore, JohnThrogmorton	Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Heath, SirJames(Staffords, N. W	Mildmay, Francis Bingham	Stanley, Hon. Arthur(Ormskirk)
Helder, Sir Augustus	Milvain, Thomas	Stanley, EdwardJas. (Somerset)
Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford. W.	Mo]e=worth, Sir Lewis	Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord(Lanes.)
Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T.	Montagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants.)	Stewart, Sir MarkJ. M Taggart)
Hill, Henry Staveley	Moon, Edward Robert Pacy	Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside	Morgan, DavidJ(Walthamstow	Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
Hornby, Sir William Henry	Morpeth, Viscount	Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Hoult, Joseph	Morrell, George Herbert	Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Oxf dUniv)
Howard, John(Kent, Faversham	Morrison, James Archibald	Thorburn, Sir Walter
Hozier, Hon. James Henry Cecil	Mount, William Arthur	Tollemache, Henry James
Hudson, George Bickersteth	Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.	Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. W.
Hunt, Rowland	Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)	luff, Charles
Jameson, Major J. Eustace	Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)	Tumour, Viscount
Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred.	Nicholson. William Graham	Walker, Col. William Hall
Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton	Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury)	Wallond, Rt. Hor. Sir WilliamH
Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T. (Denbigh)	Parkes, Ebenezer	Warde, Colonel C. E.
Kerr, John	Percy, Earl	Welby, Lt. -Col. A. C. E. (Taunton
Keswick, William	Pilkington, Colonel Richard	Whiteley, H. (Ashtonund. Lyne
Kimber, Sir Henry	Platt-Higgins. Frederick	Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.	Plummer, Sir Walter R.	Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)
Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)	Powell, Sir Francis Sharp	Willoughby, de Eresby, Lord
Lawson, Hn. H. L. W. (Mile End)	Pretyman, Ernest George	Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Lee, Arthur H. (Hants. Fareham	Pryce-Jones, Lt. -Col. Edward	Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)
Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage	Purvis, Robert	Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S.	Rankin, Sir James	Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
Llewellyn, Evan Henry	Ratcliff, R. F.	Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham	Reid, James Greenock	Wyndham-Quir, Col. W. H.
Long, Rt. Hn. Walter(Bristol, S.	Remnant, James Farquharson	Yerburgh, Robert Armstrong
Lonsdale, John Brownlee	Ridley, S. Forde
Lowe, Francis William	Ritchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. Thomson	TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir Alexander Acland-Hood and Viscount Valentia.
Loyd, Archie, Kirkman	Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Lucas, Col. Francis(Lowestoft)	Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth;	Robinson, Brooke
NOES
Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.)	Campbell, John (Armagh, S.	Dillon, John
Ainsworth, John Stirling	Campbell, Bannerman, Sir H.	Doogan, P. C.
Allen, Charles P.	Cawley, Frederick	Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)
Ambrose, Robert	Chance, Frederick William	Duffy, William J.
Asquith, Rt. Hn. HerbertHenry	Channing, Francis Allston	Duncan, J. Hastings
Baker, Joseph Allen	Cheetham, John Frederick	Elibank, Master of
Barran, Rowland Hirst	Churchill, Winston Spencer	Ellice, CaptE. C. S(Andrw'sBghs
Barry, E. (Cork, S.)	Clancy, John Joseph	Ellis, John Edward (Notts.)
Beaumont, Wentworth C. B.	Cogan, Denis J.	Esmonde, Sir Thomas
Black, Alexander William	Condon, Thomas Joseph	Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan)
Boland, John	Crean, Eugene	Eve, Harry Trelawney
Brown, George M. (Edinburgh)	Cremer, William Randal	Farrell, James Patrick
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James	Cullman, J.	Fenwick, Charles
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn	Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan)	Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith)
Burke, E. Haviland-	Delany, William	Ffrench, Peter
Ruxton, N. E. (York, NR, Whitby	Devlin, CliarlesRamsay(Galway	Field, William
Buxton, SydneyCharles(Poplar	Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.)	Findlay, Alexander (Lanark, N)
Caldwell, James	Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.)	Flavin, Michael Joseph

Flynn, James Christopher	M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North)	Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland)
Foster, Sir Walter (Derbj, Co.	Markham, Arthur Basil	Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Fuller, J. M. F.	Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh, N.)	Seely, MajJ. E. B. (Isle ofWight)
Gilhooly, James	Mooney, John J.	Shackleton, David James
Goddard, Daniel Ford	Moss, Samuel	Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Griffith, Ellis J.	Muldoon, John	Shaw, Thomas (Hawick, B.)
Hammond, John	Murnaghan, George	Sheehy, David
Harcourt, Lewis	Murphy, John	Shipman, Dr. John G.
Hardie, J. Keir(MerthyrTydvil)	Nannetti, Joseph P.	Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Harrington. Timothy	Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)	Slack, John Bamford
Hayden, John Patrick	Norman Henry	Soares, Ernest J.
Hayter, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur D.	O'Brien, Kendal(TipperaryMid)	Spencer, RtHnC. R. (Northants.
Helme, Norval Watson	O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)	Stanhope, Hon, Philip James
Henderson, Arthur (Durham)	O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)	Strachey, Sir Edward
Higham, John Sharp	O'Connor, James(Wicklow, W.	Sullivan, Donal
Isaacs, Rufus Daniel	O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)	Tennant, Harold John
Joicey, Sir James	O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)	Thomas, SirA. (Glamorgan, E.)
Jones, DavidBrynmor(Swansea	O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)	Thomas, J. A(Glamorgan, Gower
Jones, Leif (Appleby)	O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)	Tomkinson, James
Jones, William(Carnarvonshire)	O'Dowd, John	Toulmin, George
Jordan, Jeremiah	O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)	Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Kennedy, VincentP. (Cavan, W.)	O'Kelly, James(Roscommon, N.	Tully, Jasper
Kilbride, Denis	O'Malley, William	Villiers, Ernest Amherst
Lambert, George	O'Mara, James	Wallace, Robert
Lamont, Norman	O'Shaughnessy, P. J.	Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Langley, Batty	O'Shee, James John	Wason, JohnCathcart(Orkney)
Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W.)	Partington, Oswald	Weir. James (Galloway)
Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)	Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden)	White, George (Norfolk)
Layland-Barratt, Francis	Power, Patrick Joseph	White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Leigh, Sir Joseph	Priestley, Arthur	White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Levy, Maurice	Rea, Russell	Whiteley, George (York, W. R)
Lough, Thomas	Reddy, M.	Williams, Osmond (Merioneth.
Lundor, W.	Redmond, John E. (Waterford)	Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.)
Lyell, Charles Henry	Richards, Thomas	Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
MacNeill, John Gordon Swift	Rickett, J. Compton	Wood. James
MacVeagh, Jeremiah	Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)	Woodhouse, SirJ. T(Huddersfd
M'Fadden, Edward	Roche, John (Galway, East)
M'Hugh, Patrick F.	Roe, Sir Thomas	TELLERS FOE THE NOES—Mr. Herbert Gladstone and Mr. Causton.
M'Kean, John	Rose, Charles Day
M'Kenna, Reginald	Russell, T W.

Question put accordingly, "That '£5,835,000' stand part of the said Resolution."

Tee House divided:—Ayes, 219; Noes, 168. (Division List No. 308.)

AYES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte	Bentinck, Lord Henry C.	Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. JA. (Worc.
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel	Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.	Chapman, Edward
Allhusen, AugustusHenry Eden	Bignold, Sir Arthur	Clive, Captain Percy A.
Anson, Sir William Reynell	Bigwood, James	Cochrane Hon. Thos. H. A. E.
Arkwright, John Stanhope	Bingham, Lord	Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse
Arrold-Forster, Rt. Hn. HughO.	Blundell, Colonel Henry	Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole
Arrol, Sir William	Brassey, Albert	Compton, Lord Alwyne
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John	Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John	Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn. Sir H-	Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropsh.)	Cripps, Charles Alfred
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy	Brymer, William Ernest	Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile
Bailey, James i Walworth)	Burdett-Coutts, W.	Dalkeith, Earl of
Baird, John George Alexander	Butcher, John George	Dalrymple, Sir Charles
Balcarres, Lord	Campbell, J. H. M. (DublinUniv.)	Davenport, W. Bromley-
Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. vManch'r.)	Carlile, William Walter	Davies, SirHoratioD. (Chatham)
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)	Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.	Denny, Colonel
Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (Leeds)	Gautley, Henry Strother	Dickson, Charles Scott
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.)	Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire)	Dimsdale, Rt. Hon. SirJoseph C.
Banbury, Sir Frederick George	Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)	Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph
Banner, John S. Harmood-	Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)	Dorington, Rt. Hn. Sir John E.
Doughty, Sir George	Kimber, Sir Henry	Reid, James (Greenock)
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-	Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.	Remnant, James Farquharson
Doxford, Sir William Theodore	Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)	Ridley, S. Forde
Duke, Henry Edward	Lawson, Hn. H. L. W. (Mile End)	Ritchie. Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson
Dyke, Rt. Hn. SirWilliam Hart	Lee, A. H. (Hants., Fareham)	Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton	Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage	Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.)	Leveson-Gower, Fredk. N. S.	Robinson, Brooke
Fellowes, Rt. Hn. Ailwyn Edw.	Llewellyn, Evan Henry	Royds, Clement Molyneux
Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sirj. (Manc'r.	Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham)	Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)
Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.	Long, Rt. Hon. W. (Bristol, S.)	Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-
Finlay, Rt. HnSirRB. (Inv'rn'ss)	Lonsdale, John Brownlee	Sadler, Col. Sir Samuel Alex.
Fisher, William Hayes	Lowe, Francis William	Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert
FitzGerald, SirRobert Penrose-	Loyd, Archie Kirkman	Saunderson, Rt. Hn. Col. Edw. J.
Fitzroy, Hon. Edw. Algernon	Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft)	Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Flannery, Sir Fortescue	Lucas, Reg. J. (Portsmouth)	Seely, Chas Hilton (Lincoln)
Flower, Sir Ernest	Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred	Sharpe, William Edward T.
Forster, Henry William	Macdona, John Gumming	Sinclair, Louis (Romford)
Foster, PhilipS. (Warwick, S. W.)	Maconochie, A. W.	Skewes-Cox, Sir Thomas
Gardner, Ernest	M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)	Smith, A H (Hertford, East)
Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H.	M'lver, Sir L. (Edinburgh, W.)	Smith, HC. (North'mb. Tyneside
Gordon, J. (Londonderry, South	M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)	: Smith, Rt. Hon. J. P. (Lanark)
Gordon, Maj. Evans-(T'rH'mrts	Majendie, James A. H.	Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Goulding, Edward Alfred	Malcolm, Ian	Stanley, Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk
Graham, Henry Robert	Manners, Lord Cecil	Stanley, Edw. Jas. (Somerset)
Green, W. D. (Wednesbury)	Marks, Harrv Hananel	Stanley, Rt. Hn. Lord (Lancs.)
Greene, W. Raymond- (Cambs.	Martin, Richard Biddulph	Stewart, Sir Mark J. M-Taggart
Grenfell, William Henry.	Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F.	Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
Gretton, John	Maxwell, Rt. Hn. SirH.E(Wigt'n	Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
Groves, James Grimble	Melville, Beresford Valentine	J Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Guthrie, Walter	Murray Middlemore, JohnThrogmorton	Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Oxford Univ.
Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F.	Mildmay, Francis Bingham	Thorburn, Sir Walter
Hambro, Charles Eric	Milvain, Thomas	Tollemache, Henry James
Hamilton, Marq. of (L'donderry	Molesworth, Sir Lewis	Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford)	Montagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants.)	Tuff, Charles
Hare, Thomas Leigh	Moon, Edward Robert Pacy	Turnour, Viscount
Harris. F. Leverton (Tynem'th)	Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow)	Walker, Col. William Hall
Hay, Hon. Claude George	Morpeth, Viscount	Walrond. Rt. Hn. Sir William H.
Heath, A. Howard (Hanley)	Morrell, George Herbert	Warde, Colonel C. E.
Heath, Sir J. (Staffords. N. W.)	Morrison, James Archibald	Welby, Lt. -Col. A. C. E. (Taunton
Helder, Sir Augustus	Mount, William Arthur	Whiteley, H. (Ashtonund. Lyne)
Henderson, SirA. (Stafford, W.)	Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.	Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T.	Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)	Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)
Hill, Henry Staveley.	Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)	Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside;	Nicholson, William Graham	Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Hornby, Sir William Henry	Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury)	Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)
Hoult, Joseph	Parkes, Ebenezer	Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham)	Percy, Earl	Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil	Pilkington, Colonel Richard	Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Hudson, George Bickersteth	Platt-Higgins, Frederick	Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H.
Hunt, Rowland	Plummer, Sir Walter R.	Yerburgh, Robert Armstrong
Jameson, Major J. Eustace	Powell, Sir Francis Sharp
Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred,	Pretyman, Ernest George	TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir Alexander Acland Hood and Viscount Valentia.
Jessel, Capt. Herbert Merton	Pryce-Jones, Lt. -Col. Edward
Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T. (Denbigh)	Purvis, Robert
Kerr, John	Rankin, Sir James
Keswick, William	Ratcliff, R. F.
NOES
Abraham, William(Cork, N. E.)	Brown, George M. (Edinburgh)	Cawley, Frederick
Allen, Charles P.	Bryce, Rt. Hon. James	Chance, Frederick William
Ambrose, Robert	Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn	Channing, Francis Allston
Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herb. Henry	Burke, E. Haviland-	Cheetham, John Frederick
Baker, Joseph Allen	Buxton, N. E. (YorkN. R. Whitby	Churchill, Winston Spencer
Barran, Rowland Hirst	Buxton, Sydney Chas. (Poplar)	Clancy, John Joseph
Barry, E. (Cork, S.)	Caldwell, James	Cogan, Denis J.
Beaumont, Wentworth C. B.	Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)	Condon, Thomas Joseph
Black, Alexander William	Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H.	Crean, Eugene
Boland, John	Causton, Richard Knight	Cremer, William Randal

Cullman, J.	Kilbride, Denis	Redmond, J. E. (Waterford)
Davies, M. Vaughan-(Oardigan	Lambeit, George	Richards, Thomas
Delany, William	Lamont, Norman	Rickett, J. Compton
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay(Galway)	Langley, Batty	Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.)	Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W.)	Roche, John (Galway, East)
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.)	Leigh, Sir Joseph	Roe, Sir Thomas
Dillon, John	Levy, Maurice	Rose, Charles Day
Doogan, P. C.	Lough, Thomas	Russell, T. W.
Douglas Charles M. (Lanark)	Lundon, W.	Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland)
Duffy, William J.	Lyell, Charles Henry	Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Duncan, J. Hastings	MacNeill, John Gordon Swift	Seely, Maj. J. E. B. (Isle of Wight
Elibank, Master of	MacVeagh, Jeremiah	Shackleton, David James
Ellice, CaptE. C. (SAndrw'sBghs	M'Arthur, William (Cornwall)	Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Ellis, John Edward (Notts.)	M'Eadden, Edward	Shaw, Thomas (Hawick, B.)
Esmonde, Sir Thomas	M'Hugh, Patrick A.	Sheehy, David
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamfirgan)	M'Kean, John	Shipman, Dr. John G.
Eve, Harry Trelawney	M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North)	Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Farrell, James Patrick	Markham, Arthur Basil	Slack, John Bamford)
Fenwick, Charles	Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh, N.)	Soares, Ernest J.
Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith)	Mooney, John J.	Spencer, Rt. Hn. C. R (Northants
Ffrench, Peter	Moss, Samuel	Stanhope, Hon. Philip James
Field, William	Muldoon, John	Strachey, Sir Edward
Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N. E.)	Mumaghan, George	Sullivan, Donal
Flavin, Michael Joseph	Murphy, John	Tennant, Harold John
Flynn, James Christopher	Nannetti, Joseph P.	Tliomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.)
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)	Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)	Thomas, J. A(Clamorgan, Gower
Fuller, J. M, F.	Norman, Henry	Tomkinson, James
Oilhooly, James	O'Brien, K. (Tipperarj, Mid.)	Toulmin, George
Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herb. John	O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)	Tully, Jasper
Goddard, Daniel Ford	O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperarj, N.)	Villiers, Ernest Amherst
Griffith, Ellis J.	O'Connor, James (VVieklow. W.	Wallace, Robert
Hammond, John	O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)	Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Harcourt, Lewis	O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)	Wason, J. Cathcart (Orkney)
Hardie, J. Keir(MerthyrTydvil)	O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)	Weir, James Galloway
Harrington, Timothy	O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)	I White, George (Norfolk)
Hayden, John Patrick	O'Dowd, John	White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Hayter, Rt. Hn. Sir Arthur D.	O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)	White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Helme, Norval Watson	O'Kelly, J. (Roscommon, N.)	Whitcley, George (York, W. R.)
Henderson, Arthur (Durham)	O'Malley, William	Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Higham, John Sharp	O'Mara, James	Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.)
Isaacs, Rufus Daniel	O'Shaughnessy, P. J.	Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Joicey, Sii James	OnShee, James John	Wood, James
Jones, D. Brynmor (Swansea)	Partington, Oswald	Woodhouse. Sir JT(Huddersfd
Jones, Leif (Appleby)	Pease, J. A. (Saffron Waldcn)
Jones, William(Carnarvonshire)	Power, Patrick Joseph	TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. Russell Rea and Mr. Ains- worth.
Jordan, Jeremiah	Priestley, Arthur
Kennedy, Vincent P. (Cavan, W.)	Reddy, M.

MR. SOARES

asked whether, the Amendment having been disposed of, the main Question could be debated.

MR. SPEAKER

That question does not arise out of anything that occurred before or during the. division.

The House divided:—Ayes, 219; Noea. 159. (Division List No. 309.)

AYES
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte	Anson, Sir William Reynell	Arrol, Sir William
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel	Arkwright, John Stanhope	Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John
Allhusen, Augustus HenryEden	Arnold-Forster. Rt. Hn. HughO.	Aubrey-Fleteher, Rt, Hn. Sir H

Mr. A. J. BALFOUR

claimed, "That the Main Question be now put."

Question put accordingly, "That this House doth agree with the Committee in the said Resolution."