HC Deb 18 July 1905 vol 149 cc1137-61

Order read, for resuming adjourned debate on Amendment proposed [17th July] on Consideration of the Bill, as amended.

Which Amendment was— To leave pit Clause 2."—(Mr. Dalziel.)

Question again proposed, "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Bill."

SIR HOWARD VINCENT (Sheffield, Central)

said he had listened with great attention to the speeches made on the previous night with reference to Clause 2, and he had heard the Answers given by the right hon. Gentleman who had charge of the Bill, and who had conducted it with such marked ability, who had fully met the objections that had been taken to this part of the Bill. There was, however, one matter of great importance to those unfortunate people who might try to find a home in this country, and that was that the appeal should be heard as promptly as possible. He himself had given much attention to this matter in New York, and had often been present at the sittings of the ourt at Ellis Island, where the Court was in constant session to deal with doubtful cases. It was of course impossible with the limited funds at the disposal of the Home Secretary and the larger number of ports in this country to have Courts in constant session, but at the same time he had no doubt that provision would be made for the assembling of a competent board as rapidly as possible to deal with these cases. The clause was framed in such a way as to ensure that the board should be composed of men accustomed to deal with matters of this character and who would be able to cross-examine the alien and ascertain if he were a desirable person to admit into this country. He therefore did not think that the word "business" should be altered in any way. It was not necessary o labour this point, because he was convinced that hon. Gentlemen opposite must be perfectly satisfied as to the fairness with which this Bill would be carried out. He had implicit confidence in the Home Office at all times, but especially when it was administered by his right hon. friend.

MR. DALZIEL (Kirkcaldy Burghs)

rose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put;" but Mr. Speaker withheld his assent, and declined then to put that Question.

*MR. RENWICK (Newcastle-on-Tyne)

said it was within the recollection of the House that during the debates on this Bill it was argued that the immigration board to be established should have the confidence of all those concerned. Yet members of the Opposition proposed to leave this important clause out altogether. The clause provided that the members of the board should consist of three persons appointed in accordance with rules laid down by the Home Secretary, out of a list approved by him, of fit and proper persons having magisterial or administrative experience. If it was absolutely necessary for shipowners, it was equally necessary for the immigrant that his case should be promptly settled. There was in existence a body called the port sanitary authority in many ports from which such a board could be formed, and one in which not only the shipowner but the captains of vessels, and the authorities generally, would have confidence. The port sanitary authority for the Tyne consisted of several magistrates, two or three shipowners, and others who were accustomed to deal with matters such as these and able to deal with them quickly. Yet Members opposite, without giving one thought to this question, asked the House, composed as it was largely of business men and accustomed to such matters, to leave the clause out. The clause also provided that notice should be given to masters and immigrants informing them of the right of appeal. Were hon. Members opposite ware that if this clause were left out there would be no one to whom these unfortunate immigrants, who might be our own countrymen coming back from America in order to take part in the prosperity of the cotton trade of Lancashire, could appeal? When he and other Members rose to point that out they were jeered at by the Opposition. The clause also laid it down that, notice having been given, the master and the immigrant were to be informed of the grounds on which leave to land was refused. That was an important matter which had not received sufficient discussion, and he was well within his rights in drawing attention to it. But one of the most important points in connection with the Bill was the board which was to be formed to deal with the immigrants as they came in. There was no better body from which such a board could be formed than that of our port sanitary authorities. He had received a request from the port sanitary authority of Newcastle on-Tyne asking him to point out to the Home Secretary that these bodies were in existence, and he trusted that when the right hon. Gentleman, framed these rules he would remember their existence. If he did, and appointed the immigration boards from them, he would find he had appointed most, efficient bodies.

MR. PURVIS (Peterborough)

said that notwithstanding the somewhat surprising, and unusual desire of hon. Members opposite to go to a division, he felt constrained for a short time to intervene in. this debate. They had heard at great length day after day elaborate arguments from hon. Gentlemen opposite, and hitherto he had only been a listener but as the Bill was of universal interest to the country, and as this clause was of such peculiar interest to those who had any knowledge of the administration of the laws of the country, he was quite sure the most impatient Member of the House would bear with him for a few moments. As a lawyer he could conscientiously say that he was convinced that it would be better for the immigrants themselves that they should have the right to appeal to a board rather than a Court of Appeal. They had heard a good deal of prosecution and persecution, and anybody who carefully considered this matter must come to the conclusion that to relegate these unfortunate people to the law's delays by sending them to a Court of Appeal would be not only to persecute, but to ruin in many cases the unfortunate appellant. Their great object should be to create a good businesslike board which should be able, owing to its composition, to deal with the cases which from time to time were brought before it. He had been much struck by the suggestion that the word "industrial" should be substituted for the word "business." Such a change would exclude entirely from the board men having knowledge of administration—such men as magistrates, solicitors, barristers, and others acquainted with the administration of the laws, and having a knowledge of the rules of evidence. Could anyone conceive anything more unfortunate than that the poor immigrant, about whom be much sympathy had been expressed, should be brought before a board which was absolutely destitute of the knowledge of the simplest rules of evidence. There must be a quorum, and the clerk must be able to choose from a panel which would do justice to the immigrant. Then it would be impossible to have such a large number in the smaller ports as in London, and that was another reason for greater variety being secured in the panel. Those qualities must be secured in order to ensure fair play to the unfortunate foreign immigrant. The only way to secure freedom and liberty was to have a board composed of different qualities. The board of appeal would degenerate into a board of persecution without the qualification provided by the second part of the clause.

Mr. J. A. PEASE (Essex, Saffron Walden)

rose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put;" but Mr. Speaker withheld his assent, and declined then to put that Question.

MR. FORDE RIDLEY (Bethnal Green, S.W.)

said he could not understand the intention of the hon. Member who had moved the Amendment, nor the anxiety

of hon. Gentlemen opposite to conclude the debate.

MR. LLOYD-GEORGE (Carnarvon Boroughs)

There are eight more clauses to discuss.

MR. FORDE RIDLEY

said he would remind the hon. Member for Carnarvon Boroughs that if he had remembered that in the earlier stages of the Bill they might now have had a good deal more time in which to discuss the remaining clauses. After all the arguments that had been used about the injustice, the hardship, and the cruelty going to be done to the poor immigrants, it was, he must say, the strangest of all anomalies that hon. Gentleman opposite, who had been palpably opposed alt through to the Bill, root and branch, should rise and propose that the very clause which was for the protection of the immigrant should be left out.

Mr. J. F. HOPE (Sheffield, Brightside)

rose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put."

Question put accordingly, "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Bill."

The House divided:—Ayes, 173; Noes, 132. (Division List No. 294.)

AYES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Bowles, Lt-ColHF.(Middlesex) Davenport, William Bromley
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel Brassey, Albert Denny, Colonel
Anson, Sir William Reynell Brodrick, Rt. Hn. St. Dickinson, Robert Edmoud
Arkwright, John Stanhope Brymer, Wliliam Ernest Dickson, Charles Scott
Arnold-Forstor, Rt. Hn. H. O. Bull, William James Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers
Arrol, Sir William Burdett-Coutts, W. Doxford, Sir Wm. Theodore
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Carson, Rt. Hn.Sir Edw. H. Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. Hart
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn.Sir H. Cautley, Henry Strother Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton
Bailey, James (Walworth) Cavendish, V.C.W.(Derbysh. Fellowes, Rt. HnAilwyn Edw-
Balcarres, Lord Cayzer, Sir Charles William Fergusson, Rt. Hn.Sir J(Manc'r
Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J.(Manch'r Chamberlain, RtHnJ.A(Wore. Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) Chamberlayne, T. (S'thampton Finch, Rt. Hn. George H.
Balfour, RtHnGeraldW(Leeds) Chapman, Edward Finlay, Rt Hn SirR.B(Inv'rn'ss
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Clare, Octavius Leigh Fisher, William Hayes
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Cochrane, Hn. Thos. H. A. E. Fitzroy, Hn. Edward Algernon
Barran, Rowland Hirst Coghill, Douglas Harry Flannery, Sir Fortescue
Bignold, Sir Arthur Cohen, Benjamin Louis Flower, Sir Ernest
Bigwood, James Collings, Rt. Hn. Jesse Forster, Henry William
Bill, Charles Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Gardner, Ernest
Bingham, Lord Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) Gordon, Maj. Evans(T rH'ml'ts
Blundell, Colonel Henry Crossley, Rt. Hn. Sir Savile Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby
Bond, Edward Dalkeith, Earl of Goschen, Hn. George Joachim
Bousfield, William Robert Dalrymple, Sir Charles Goulding, Edward Alfred
Graham, Henry Robert Loyd, Archie kirkman Robertson, Herb. (Hackney)
Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Lucas, ReginaldJ.(Portsmouth Rolleston, Sir John F. L.
Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs.) Lyttelton, Rt. Hn. Alfred Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye
Grenfell, William Henry Macdona, John Cumming Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Groves, James Grimble MacIver, David (Liverpool) Royds, Clement Molyneux
Hamilton, Marq.of(L'nd'nderry Macanochie, A. W. Rutherford, John (Lancashire)
Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford) M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)
Haslam, Sir Alfred S. M'Iver, Sir Lewis(Edinburgh) Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford
Hay, Hn. Claude George M'Killop, James (Stirlinghsire) Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley Malcolm, Ian Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W Martin, Richard Biddulph Sharpe, William Edward T.
Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. Maxwell, RtHnSirH.E(Wigt'n Sloan, Thomas Henry
Hoare, Sir Samuel Maxwell, W.JH(Dumfriesshire Smith, HC(North'mb,Tyneside
Hogg, Lindsay Middlemore, J. Throgmorton Smith, Hn. W. F. D. (Strand)
Hope, J.F.(Sheffield, Brightside Milvain, Thomas Spear, John Ward
Hoult, Joseph Morgan, D J. (Walthamstow) Stanley, Rt.Hn. Lord (Lanes.)
Hozier, Hon. James Henry C. Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer Stone, Sir Benjamin
Hudson, George Bickersteth Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
Hunt, Rowland Murray, Chas. J. (Coventry) Talbot, Lord E (Chichester)
Jameson, Major J. Eustace O'Neill, Hn. Robert Torrens Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury) Tollemache, Henry James
Jeffreys, Rt, Hn. Arthur Fred Peate, Herb. Pike (Darlington Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H Pemberton, John S. G. Tuff, Charles
Kenyon, Hn. Gea. T. (Denbigh Percy, Earl Tuke, Sir John Batty
Kerr, John Platt-Higgins, Frederick Vincent, Col SirCEH(Sheffield)
Kimber, Sir Henry Pretyman, Ernest George Walrond, Rt. HnSirWm. H.
Knowles, Sir Lees Pryce-Jones, Lt. Col. Edward Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon
Laurie, Lieut.-General Purvis, Robert Whiteley, H. (Ashton undLyne
Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Pym, C. Guy Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Lee, ArthurH (Hants, Fareham Randles, John S. Wilson-Todd, Sir W.H. (Yorks
Legge, Col. Hn. Heneage Rankin, Sir James Wodehouse, Rt.HnE.R.(Bath
Leveson-Gower, Frederick N.S. Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Liddell, Henry Ratcliff, R. F. TELLERS FOK THE AYES—Sir
Llewellyn, Evan Henry Reid, James (Greenock) Alexander Acland-Hood and
Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. Renwick, George Viscount Valentia.
Long, Rt Hn Waiter(Bristol, S) Ridley, S. Forde
NOES.
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E. Evans, Samuel T.(Glamorgan) Langley, Batty
Allen, Charles P. Eve, Harry Trelawney Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)
Baker, Joseph Allen Fenwick, Charles Layland-Barratt, Francis
Barlow, John Emmott Field, William Levy, Maurice
Barry, E. (Cork, S.) Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N-E.) Lewis, John Herbert
Bell, Richard Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond Lloyd-George, David
Benn, John Williams Flavin, Michael Joseph Lundon, W.
Boland, John Flynn, James Christopher MacVeagh, Jeremiah
Bolton, Thomas Dolling Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) M'Arthur, William (Cornwall)
Brigg, John Gilhooly, James M'Crae, George
Bright, Allan Heywood Goddard, Daniel Ford M'Kean, John
Broadhurst, Henry Guest, Hn. Ivor Churchill M'Kenna, Reginald
Burns, John Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North)
Burt, Thomas Hammond, John Mansfield, Horace Rendall
Caldwell, James Hardie, J. Keir (MerthyrTydvil Morgan, J. Lloyd (Camarthen)
Cameron, Robert Harwood, George Muldoon, John
Causton, Richard Knight Hayden, John Patrick Murnaghan, George
Clancy, John Joseph Helme, Norval Watson Murphy, John
Cremer, William Randal Hemphill, Rt. Hn. Charles H. Nann tti, Joseph P.
Crombic, John William Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Newnes, Sir George
Crooks, William Higham, John Sharp Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)
Cullinan, J. Holland, Sir William Henry Norman, Henry
Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid.)
Delany, William Horniman, Frederick John O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay I Galway Jacoby, James Alfred O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)
Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.) Joicey, Sir James O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.
Dewar, John A-(Inverness-sh. Jones, Leif (Appleby) O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)
Dilke, Rt. Hn. Sir Charles Jones, William (Carnarvonsh O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)
Donelan, Captain A. Jordan, Jeremiah O'Dowd, John
Doogan, P. C. Joyce, Michael O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)
Edwards, Frank Kennedy, Vincent P(Cavan,W O'Malley, William
Ellice, CaptEC(SAndrw'sBghs) Lambert, George O'Mara, James
O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Parrott, William Shackleton, David James Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) Shaw, Chas. Edw. (Stafford) Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull, W.)
Philipps, John Wynford Sheehy, David Wilson, Fred W. (Norfolk, Mid
Pirie, Duncan V. Shipman, Dr. John G. Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R.)
Power, Patrick Joseph Slack, John Bamford Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Price, Robert John Smith, Samuel (Flint) Woodhouse, SirJT(Huddersf'd
Reckitt, Harold James Spencer, Rt Hn C.R(Northants Young, Samuel
Reddy, M. Sullivan, Donal Yoxall, James Henry
Redmond, John E. (Waterford Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr TELLERS son THE NOES.—Mr.
Richards, Thomas Ure, Alexander Dalziel and Mr. Trevelyan.
Roberts, John H. (Denbighs) Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
Roche, Augustine (Cork) Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan
Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland) Weir, James Galloway

Question, "That the Question be now put," put, and agreed to.

*MR. CREMER (Shoreditch, Haggerston)

moved to add at the end of Clause 2 a sub-section providing that one member of the immigration board should be a member of some bona fide organisation of workmen. He said that the qualifications for members of the boards were by no means of a satisfactory character. It was proposed that one member should have magisterial experience, another business experience, and the third administrative experience. These were very ambiguous descriptions, especially the second. He believed the really practical man would be found among the working class organisations. At the time he placed the Amendment on the Paper he did not know that the members of the board would be paid for their services; he had expected that they would do the work gratuitously in the same way as Members of Parliament; therefore it was not with any intention of rinding snug well-paid berths for working men that he made this proposal. But they were constantly told that the working classes would be immediately affected by the Bill, and, if that were so, what objection could there be to putting a member of a working class organisation on these boards? Men of the right type could easily be found; there were trades councils in every one of the eleven ports where immigration boards were to be set up, and representatives from these bodies would bring to bear on the work of the boards just that practical experience which was necessary. Such members by a few direct and technical questions would immediately ascertain whether immigrants were what they professed to be, would very quickly detect impostors, and he was convinced they would prove to be exceedingly valuable members of the boards. He expressly inserted the words "bona fide organisation," in order to prevent bounty-fed agitators connected with associations that were not financially supported by working men and which did not represent the working classes, from being placed on these boards. In the hope that the Home Secretary would see not only the advantage, but the absolute necessity of the class of appointment which he advocated, he begged to move.

MR. JOHN WILSON (Durham, Mid.)

, in seconding, said he thought an Amendment of this kind was necessary for the proper working of the measure. They had upon a previous occasion tried to introduce a clause to protect British labour, and they had been chided with claiming to be in favour of this Bill whilst they had been opposing it all through. However bad a Bill might be it was part of the duty of wise men to try their best to minimise the evils in it. They had tried to introduce an Amendment to keep out alien contract labour during strikes, but they had failed. He thought his hon. friend who had moved this Amendment had put the case fairly and clearly before the House, and if the Home Secretary could not accept this Amendment he hoped he would be able to frame some rulo which would carry out this idea. The Home Secretary had laid down certain conditions which were necessary as qualifications for those who would be appointed to serve on the immigration boards, and he submitted to the right hon. Gentleman that there were connected with the great trades organisations in every port a number of men who possessed at least two of the qualifications out of the three required for the formation of these boards. The Home Secretary laid down as one qualification that they must be magisterial. He was aware that there were not many working men who were magistrates, and there ought to be more. The work done by the great trades organisations of this country had specially fitted men for serving on these boards. One of the qualifications laid down was that they must be business men. If a trades union leader fulfilled his position properly he was bound to have manifested before his appointment strong business capabilities. The class of people to be dealt with by these boards would be the very poor people, and he might mention that there was hardly a boards of guardians in any part of the country upon which some working men had not made themselves thoroughly acquainted with the working of the Poor Law. For these reasons he thought the members of trade organisations were specially qualified for taking at least one of the positions on these boards. He thought that a working man was the best judge as to whether any of these immigrants were undesirables or not.

Amendment proposed— In page 3, line 20, at the end, to insert the words, '(3) Notwithstanding anything herein before contained one member of the immigration board shall be a member of some bona fide organisation of workmen."—(Mr. Cremer)—

Question proposed, "That those words be there inserted."

MAJOR EVANS GORDON (Tower Hamlets, Stepney)

said he found himself very largely in agreement with the proposer and seconder of the Amendment in what they had said as to the desirability of having a representative of the working classes at all events on the panel. There were a great many matters which would come before the board on which the opinion and advice of men acquainted with the industrial conditions of the locality would be of great value, and he hoped the Home Secretary would see his way to having the names of such men upon the panel, feeling sure that it would give confidence both to the immigrants and to the working classes.

THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR THE HOME DEPARTMENT (Mr. AKERS-DOUGLAS, Kent, St. Augustine's)

said he had a great deal of sympathy with the material part of the Amendment, but he could not accept it in the form in which it was moved. He was perfectly prepared to put persons accustomed to industrial matters on the panel, and he dared say that one of them would thus serve on the board in many instances, but that was a different thing to putting them on the panel and compelling the summoning officer always to summon one. He thought he showed his intention, to the House the previous night; and he considered the word "business" would cover not only proprietors of businesses and manufacturers, but also those who had industrial experience. Certainly that was the sense in which he should construe the word when he administered the Act. The hon. Member for Manchester had handed in an Amendment to insert the word "industrial." He should have been perfectly prepared to accept that, and he thought it would to a large extent have met the views of hon. Gentlemen opposite; but the Amendment moved, went very much further than that, and he could not accept it in its present form. The hon. Member, however, might take it that he did not differ from him in the desire to secure on the panel the experience of those dealing with the industrial classes, and who undoubtedly possessed a great deal of that information, which they desired to get. He could not accept the Amendment as it was, and he did not think it was necessary, because he could assure the hon. Member that the representatives of the class which he desired would be put upon the panel, for they could undoubtedly do the immigration board a great deal of service. He had gone some way to meet the hon. Member; but, although he accepted the spirit of the Amendment, he could not accept the actual words.

MR. FENWICK (Northumberland, Wansbeck)

said he thought a moments consideration would show that the concession made by the Home Secretary was not worth very much. It was no satisfaction to know that a representative of labour was to be put on the panel when perhaps he would never be called. There was no guarantee that the men whose names were upon the panel would be selected in rotation. They distinctly laid down the principle that there should be on the board a magistrate or man with magisterial experience; a man of business capacity; and a man of administrative skill; and they might have on the panel from now till Doomsday a representative of labour who would never be called to attend a single meeting of the board. He submitted that that was no satisfaction to them or those they represented. This was a question which more directly came home to the working classes than to any other class of the community. They were more interested in this question than either the magistrate, the business man, or the man of administrative capacity. The people to be dealt with by the boards were of their own class, and all their associations, sympathies, and aspirations were such as were born of men of their own class in this country. If, therefore, they wanted the Act to be smoothly administered they would do well to accept the Amendment. Although they appreciated the step the Home Secretary had taken in advance in the matter, practically it amounted to no concession at all.

ME. SPEAR (Devonshire, Tavistock)

aid he recognised the spirit which the Home Secretary had shown in the matter, but he thought it would be more gracious and only just if he acceded entirely to the principle of the Amendment. By doing so he would be promoting and facilitating the successful working of the Bill. While it was most important that they should have on these boards men versed in legal technicalities and of strong and far-reaching capabilities, he submitted it was equally important that they should also have a working man, experienced in the difficulties of living, of providing food, and earning wages. With the experience so gained, a man would contribute valuable assistance to a righteous and just decision on the intricate questions which would come from time to time before the immigration board. It might be said that a working man might be here and there tempted to take action that would unduly keep out an immigrant who came here to compete with British labour. He believed, however, that the working man was as just and generous as members of other classes. But even if such cases did arise, his colleagues on the immigration board would certainly keep him right and see that justice was done all round. He earnestly hoped that the Government would be able to make this concession. It would be a gracious act, and at the same time one that would be only just, and that would greatly increase the confidence of the people of this country in the operation of this measure. It was a measure chiefly promoted in the interests of the lower classes, and the Amendment would increase the confidence of these classes.

MR. CROOKS (Woolwich)

appealed to the Home Secretary to accept the Amendment. The Answer of the right hon. Gentleman was very sympathetic, but it showed how little he knew of the treatment of working men under certain circumstances. Even in this House, when they had been talking of labour-representation, the noble Lord the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs had said that he was a labour representative. The words proposed by the Home Secretary might be stretched to include the Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs as a representative of labour. He maintained that the knowledge which working men possessed in regard to people of their own class would be of great service when the boards were endeavouring to decide on questions whether the immigrants who came to this country were or were not desirable. Had the Home Secretary or the Lord Chancellor ever head any complaint of the discrimination or judicial capacity of the working-men magistrates throughout the length and breadth of the land? Was not the satisfactory manner in which they discharged their duties conclusive proof that they had the faculty for this kind of work? He was against the Bill, but, if it was to be passed, he desired to have it amended in such a manner as would make it less objectionable than it otherwise would be.

*MR. RENWICK

said that during the discussions on this Bill shipowners had been endeavouring to devise means by which immigrants could be landed immediately. In some instances it might be necessary to land them on condition of their being examined ashore by the immigration board. He wished to point out the inconvenience and delay which might arise in dealing with cases if working men were put on the boards. Ships arrived at all hours of the day and night, and it would be impossible to get working men to attend the sittings of the board at the times when their presence might be most desirable. Shipowners wanted men who were on the spot and who could be called immediately to settle important questions as to debarkation. While he had nothing to say against working men representatives generally, he thought that in this case it would be a mistake to appoint them members of these boards. He sincerely trusted that the Home Secretary would not accept the Amendment.

SIR JAMES JOICEY (Durham, Chester-le-Street)

said he could assure the House that working men could attend. He spoke as one who had had very great experience of bona fide working men in connection with their organisations. In the county of Durham a system prevailed under which employers were brought into almost daily contact with the workmen's unions, and he could state that the training these men got in dealing with business matters was such as would enable them to deal with the questions which would come before them on the immigration boards. The present chairman of the County Council of Durham was the Member for Mid-Durham. There were many men of his type in the county of Northumberland. There was not a member of that council, from the Duke of Northumberland down-wards, socially, who would not agree with him in saying that among the working men were some of the very best representatives they had. He was sorry the Home Secretary could not see his way to ensure there should be always a working man on the board. He had come into contact with working men who were certainly fitted to repre-

sent any district upon these boards' In the county of Durham many working men were chairmen of district councils, and consequently were magistrates, and he had never heard a complaint against them of not being able to properly discharge their duties.

MR. SYDNEY BUXTON (Tower Hamlets, Poplar)

said he was in favour of the Amendment. He understood that the basis on which the Bill was introduced was that aliens who were economically undesirable should be prevented from coming into the country. If that was the basis on which it had been brought forward, he thought the Home Secretary would agree that the best man to decide whether an alien was desirable or not was a working man. He hoped the Home Secretary would reconsider his decision.

MR. HARWOOD (Bolton)

asked how the working man would be chosen out of the panel when ships arrived. Could the right hon. Gentleman say whether they would be taken in rotation or picked out arbitrarily by some particular official?

MR. CHURCHILL (Oldham)

said it seemed to him that the request made in this Amendment was a reasonable one. After all, the great bulk of immigrants belonged to those classes who in foreign countries were called the working classes. It did not seem extravagant to request that one of the members of the board should be one of their own class in this country who would most readily appreciate the conditions which had induced those foreigners to seek refuge on our shores.

Question put.

The House divided:—Ayes, 168; Noes. 217. (Division List No. 295.)

Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark) Jones, David B. (Swansea) Rea, Russell
Crombie, John William Jones, Leif (Appleby) Reckitt, Harold James
Crooks, William Jones, William (Carnarvonsh. Reddy, M.
Cullinan, J. Jordan, Jeremiah Redmond, John E.(Waterford)
Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan) Joyce, Michael Richards, Thomas
Delany, William Kennedy, Vincent P.(Cavan,W Rickett, J Compton
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay(Galway Lambert, George Roberts, John H. (Denbighs)
Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.) Langley, Batty Roe, Sir Thomas
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W. Russell, T. W.
Dilke, Rt. Hn. Sir Charles Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland)
Dobbie, Joseph Layland-Barratt, Francis Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Donelan, Captain A. Levy, Maurice Schwann, Charles E.
Doogan, P. C. Lewis, John Herbert Seely, Maj. J.E.B.(Isle of Wight
Douglas, Chas. M. (Lanark) Lundon, W. Shackleton, David James
Duncan, J. Hastings Mac Veagh, Jeremiah Shaw Chas. Edw.(Stafford)
Edwards, Frank M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)
Elibank, Master of M'Crae, George Sheehy, David
Ellice, Capt.EC(S.Andrw'sBghs M'Kenna, Reginald Shipman, Dr. John G.
Emmott, Alfred M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan Mansfield, Horace Rendall Slack, John Bamford
Eve, Harry Trelawney Markham, Arthur Basil Sloan, Thomas Henry
Fenwick, Charles Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh, N. Smith, Samuel (Flint)
Field, William Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen Spencer, Rt. Hn.CR(Northants
Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N.Ed Moulton, John Fletcher Sullivan, Donal
Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond Muldoon, John Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr
Flavin, Michael Joseph Murnaghan, George Thomson, F. W. (York, W.R.)
Flynn, James Christopher Murphy, John Tomkinson, James
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co. Nannetti, Joseph P. Toulmin, George
Gilhooly, James Newnes, Sir George Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Gladstone, RtHn Herbert John Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) Ure, Alexander
Goddard, Daniel Ford Norman, Henry Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
Guest, Hn. Ivor Churchill Nussey, Thomas Willans Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid) Weir, James Galloway
Hammond, John O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) White, George (Norfolk)
Harcourt, Lewis O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W White, Patrick (Meath, North;
Hardie, J.Keir (MerthyrTydvil O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) Whiteley, George (York, W.R.-
Harrington, Timothy O'Dowd, John Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Harwood, George O'Kelly, Conor (Mavo, N. Wilson, Chas. Henry(Hull, W.
Helme, Noryal Watson O'Malley, William Wilson, Fred W. (Norfolk, Mid
Hemphill, Rt. Hn. Charles H. O'Mara, James Wilson, Henry J. (York. W.R.
Henderson, Arthur (Durham) O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Woodhouse, SirJT(Huddersf'd
Higham, John Sharp Parrott, William Young, Samuel
Holland, Sir William Henry Partington, Oswald Yoxall, James Henry
Hope, John Deans (Fife, West Pease, J. A. (Saffron Waldon) TELLERS FOR THK AYES—Mr.
Horniman, Frederick John Philipps, John Wynford Cremer and Mr. John
Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) Pirie, Duncan V. Wilson (Durham)
Issacs, Rufus Daniel Power, Patrick Joseph
Jacoby, James Alfred Price, Robert John
Joicey. Sir James Priestley, Arthur
NOES.
Agg-Gardner, James 'Tynte Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Cautley, Henry Strother
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel Bignold, Sir Arthur Cavendish, V.C.W.(Derbyshire
Anson, Sir William Reynell Bigwood, James Cayzer, Sir Charles William
Arkwright, John Stanhope Bill, Charles Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)
Arnold-Forster, RtHnHaghO. Bingham Lord Chamberlain, RtHnJA (Wore.
Arrol, Sir William Blundell, Colonel Henry Chamberlayne, T.(S'thampton
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Bond, Edward Chapman, Edward
Aubrey-Fetcher, Rt. Hn. Sir H Bousfield, William Robert Clive, Captain Percy A.
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy Bowles, Lt.-Col.HF(Middlesex Coates, Edward Feetham
Bailey, James (Walworth) Brassey, Albert Cochrane, Hn. Thos. H. A. E.
Balcarres, Lord Brodrick, Rt. Hn. St. John Coghill, Douglas Harry
Balfour, RtHnA.J (Manch'r Brotherton, Edward Allen Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropsh. Coston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole
Balfour, RtHnGeraldW(Leeds Brymer, William Ernest Compton, Lord Alwyne
Balfour, Kenneth R, (Christch. Bull, William James Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Burdett-Coutts, W. Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)-
Banner, John S. Harmood- Butcher, John George Crossley, Rt, Hn. Sir Savile
Bartley, Sir George C. T. Carlile, William Walter Dalkeith, Earl of
Bentinck, Lord Henry C. Carson RtHn. Sir Edw. H. Dalrymple, Sir Charles

Amendment proposed to the Bill— In page 3, line 30, after the word 'fine, to insert the words 'or of an offence under paragraph twenty - two or twenty - three of section three hundred and eighty-one of The Burgh Police (Scotland) Act, 1892, or of an offence as a prostitute under Section seventy-two of The Towns Improvement (Ireland) Act, 1854, or paragraph eleven of ection fifty-four of the Metropolitan Police Act, 1839.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers- Douglas.)

Amendment agreed to.

MR. LEIF JONES (Westmoreland,) Appleby

moved as an Amendment to strike out Sub-section 2 of Clause 4 on the ground that to make the master of a ship responsible for six months for the good behaviour of aliens which he had brought to this country was unfair. How on earth was a ship's captain to know the character of a passenger on his ship, and how could he be made responsible for the conduct of such a passenger six months after that at passenger had left his ship? The scheme was unfair in principle, and would be unworkable in practice.

MR. EMMOTT (Oldham)

seconded the Amendment.

Amendment proposed to the Bill— In page 4, line 20, to leave out Sub-section (2) of Clause 4."—(Mr. Leif Jones.)

Question proposed, "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Bill."

THE ATTORNEY - GENERAL (Sir ROBERT FINLAY, Inverness Burghs)

said that, the sub-section was argued at considerable length in Committee, and he hoped the Amendment would not be pressed. The sub-section would tend to make the ship-owner more careful.

Question put.

The House divided:—Ayes, 244; Noes, 177. (Division List No. 296.)

AYES.
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.) Black, Alexander William Caldwell, James
Allen, Charles P. Boland, John Cameron, Robert
Asquith, Rt Hn. Herb. Henry Bolton, Thomas Dolling Causton, Richard Knight
Atherley-Jones, L. Brigg, John Cawley, Frederick
Baker, Joseph Allen Bright, Allan Heywood Channing, Francis Allston
Barlow, John Emmott Broadhurst, Henry Cheetham, John Frederick
Beaumont, Wentworth C. R Burke, E. Haviland Churchill, Winston Spencer
Bell, Richard Burt, Thomas Clancy, John Joseph
Benn, John Williams Buxton, Sydney Chas.(Poplar) Condon, Thomas Joseph.
Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark) Jones, David B. (Swansea) Rea, Russell
Crombie, John William Jones, Leif (Appleby) Reckitt, Harold James
Crooks, William Jones, William (Carnarvonsh. Reddy, M.
Cullinan, J. Jordan, Jeremiah Redmond, John E.(Waterford)
Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan) Joyce, Michael Richards, Thomas
Delany, William Kennedy, Vincent P.(Cavan,W Rickett, J Compton
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay(Galway Lambert, George Roberts, John H. (Denbighs)
Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.) Langley, Batty Roe, Sir Thomas
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W. Russell, T. W.
Dilke, Rt. Hn. Sir Charles Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland)
Dobbie, Joseph Layland-Barratt, Francis Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Donelan, Captain A. Levy, Maurice Schwann, Charles E.
Doogan, P. C. Lewis, John Herbert Seely, Maj. J.E.B.(Isle of Wight
Douglas, Chas. M. (Lanark) Lundon, W. Shackleton, David James
Duncan, J. Hastings Mac Veagh, Jeremiah Shaw Chas. Edw.(Stafford)
Edwards, Frank M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)
Elibank, Master of M'Crae, George Sheehy, David
Ellice, Capt.EC(S.Andrw'sBghs M'Kenna, Reginald Shipman, Dr. John G.
Emmott, Alfred M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan Mansfield, Horace Rendall Slack, John Bamford
Eve, Harry Trelawney Markham, Arthur Basil Sloan, Thomas Henry
Fenwick, Charles Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh, N. Smith, Samuel (Flint)
Field, William Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen Spencer, Rt. Hn.CR(Northants
Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N.Ed Moulton, John Fletcher Sullivan, Donal
Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond Muldoon, John Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr
Flavin, Michael Joseph Murnaghan, George Thomson, F. W. (York, W.R.)
Flynn, James Christopher Murphy, John Tomkinson, James
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co. Nannetti, Joseph P. Toulmin, George
Gilhooly, James Newnes, Sir George Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Gladstone, RtHn Herbert John Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) Ure, Alexander
Goddard, Daniel Ford Norman, Henry Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
Guest, Hn. Ivor Churchill Nussey, Thomas Willans Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid) Weir, James Galloway
Hammond, John O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) White, George (Norfolk)
Harcourt, Lewis O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W White, Patrick (Meath, North;
Hardie, J.Keir (MerthyrTydvil O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) Whiteley, George (York, W.R.-
Harrington, Timothy O'Dowd, John Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Harwood, George O'Kelly, Conor (Mavo, N. Wilson, Chas. Henry(Hull, W.
Helme, Noryal Watson O'Malley, William Wilson, Fred W. (Norfolk, Mid
Hemphill, Rt. Hn. Charles H. O'Mara, James Wilson, Henry J. (York. W.R.
Henderson, Arthur (Durham) O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Woodhouse, SirJT(Huddersf'd
Higham, John Sharp Parrott, William Young, Samuel
Holland, Sir William Henry Partington, Oswald Yoxall, James Henry
Hope, John Deans (Fife, West Pease, J. A. (Saffron Waldon) TELLERS FOR THK AYES—Mr.
Horniman, Frederick John Philipps, John Wynford Cremer and Mr. John
Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) Pirie, Duncan V. Wilson (Durham)
Issacs, Rufus Daniel Power, Patrick Joseph
Jacoby, James Alfred Price, Robert John
Joicey. Sir James Priestley, Arthur
NOES.
Agg-Gardner, James 'Tynte Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Cautley, Henry Strother
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel Bignold, Sir Arthur Cavendish, V.C.W.(Derbyshire
Anson, Sir William Reynell Bigwood, James Cayzer, Sir Charles William
Arkwright, John Stanhope Bill, Charles Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)
Arnold-Forster, RtHnHaghO. Bingham Lord Chamberlain, RtHnJA (Wore.
Arrol, Sir William Blundell, Colonel Henry Chamberlayne, T.(S'thampton
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Bond, Edward Chapman, Edward
Aubrey-Fetcher, Rt. Hn. Sir H Bousfield, William Robert Clive, Captain Percy A.
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy Bowles, Lt.-Col.HF(Middlesex Coates, Edward Feetham
Bailey, James (Walworth) Brassey, Albert Cochrane, Hn. Thos. H. A. E.
Balcarres, Lord Brodrick, Rt. Hn. St. John Coghill, Douglas Harry
Balfour, RtHnA.J (Manch'r Brotherton, Edward Allen Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropsh. Coston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole
Balfour, RtHnGeraldW(Leeds Brymer, William Ernest Compton, Lord Alwyne
Balfour, Kenneth R, (Christch. Bull, William James Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Burdett-Coutts, W. Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)-
Banner, John S. Harmood- Butcher, John George Crossley, Rt, Hn. Sir Savile
Bartley, Sir George C. T. Carlile, William Walter Dalkeith, Earl of
Bentinck, Lord Henry C. Carson RtHn. Sir Edw. H. Dalrymple, Sir Charles
Davenport, William Bromley Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col Edward
Denny, Colonel Kenyon Hn. Geo. T (Denbigh) Purvis, Robert
Dickinson, Robert Edmond Kerr, John Randles, John S.
Dickson, Charles Scott Keswick, William Rankin, Sir James
Doughty, Sir George Kimber, Sir Henry Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne
Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers- Knowles, Sir Lees Ratcliff, R. F.
Doxford, Sir William Theodore Laurie, Lieut.-General Reid, James (Greenock)
Dyke, RtHn. Sir William Hart Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Remnant, Jas. Farquharson
Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton Lee, A. H. (Hants, Fareham) Renwick, George
Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W. Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Ridley, S. Forde
Faber, George Denison (York Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Fardell, Sir T. George Liddell, Henry Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Fellowes, Rt Hn Ailwyn Edw. Llewellyn, Evan Henry Rolleston, Sir John F. L.
Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J(Man'r Lock wood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye
Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst Long, Col. Chap. W. (Evesham Ropner, Colonol Sir Robert
Finch, Rt. Hn. George H. Long, RtHnWalter (Bristol.S.) Round, Rt. Hon. James
Finlay, RtHnSirR. R(Inv'm'ss) Lonsdale, John Brownlee Royds, Clement Molyneux
Fisher, William Hayes Loyd, Archie Kirkman Rutherford, John (Lancashire)
Fison, Frederick William Lucas, Col Francis (Lowestoft) Rutherford, W.W.(Liverpool)
Fitzroy, Hn. Edward Algernon Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsm'th Sackville, Col. S.G. Stopford
Flannery, Sir Fortescue Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Flower, Sir Ernest Macdona, John Cutnming Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert
Forster, Henry William MacIver, David (Liverpool) Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.
Galloway, William Johnson J Maconochie, A. W. Sharpe, William Edward T.
Gardner, Ernest M'Arthur, Chas. (Liverpool) Smith, H.C(North'mb, Tyneside
Gibbs, Hon. A.G. H. M'Iver, SirLewis(Edinburgh, W Smith, Hn. W. F. D. (Strand)
Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk. M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire Stanley, Rt. Hn. Lord (Lanes.
Gordon, Maj. Evans(T'rH'mlets Malcolm, Ian Stone, Sir Benjamin
Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby Marks, Harry Hananel Stroyan, John
Goschen, Hn. George Joachim Martin, Richard Biddulph Strutt, Hn. Charles Hedley
Goulding, Edward Alfred Maxwell, Rt KnSirH.E(Wigt'n Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Graham, Henry Robert Maxwell, W.JH (Dumfriesshire Tollemache, Henry James
Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M. Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs) Middlemore, J. Throgmorton Tuff, Charles
Grenfell, William Henry Milner, Rt. Hn, Sir Frederick G. Tuke, Sir John Batty
Groves, James Grimble Milvain, Thomas Turnonr, Viscount
Guthrie, Walter Murray Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow) Vincent, Col. SirC.EH(Sheffield
Hambro, Charles Eric Morpeth, Viscount Walrond, Rt. Hn.Sir WilliamH
Hamilton, Marq. Of(L'nd'nderry Morrell, George Herbert Welby, LtColAC. E.(Taunton)
Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford) Morrison, James Archibald Welby, Sir Charles G.E(Notts)
Haslam, Sir Alfred S. Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon-
Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley Mount, William Arthur Whiteley, H. (Ashtonund Lyne
Heath, SirJas. (Staffords, N.W. Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W Murray, Chas. J. (Coventry) Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. Myers, William Henry Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Hoare, Sir Samuel Nicholson, William Graham Wilson-Todd, SirW.H(Yorks)
Hogg, Lindsay O'Neill, Hn. Robert Torrens Wodehouse, Rt.Hn.E.R(Bath)
Hope, J.F.(Sheffield,Brightside Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury) Wolff. Gustav Wilhelm
Hoult, Joseph Pease, Herb. Pike (Darlington Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil Peel, Hn. Wm. Robt. Wellesley Wortle'y, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart
Hudson, George Bickersteth Pemberton, John S. TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Sir
Hunt, Rowland Percy, Earl Alexander Acland-Hood and
Jameson, Major J. Eustace Pilkington, Colonel Richard Viscount Valentia.
Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Platt-Higgins, Frederick
Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred Pretyman, Ernest George
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas Hermon-Hodge Sir Robert T.
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) Hoare, Sir Samuel
Anson, Sir William Reynell Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) Hogg, Lindsay
Arkwright, John Stanhope Crossley, Rt. Hn. Sir Savile Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside
Arnold-Forster, Rt. Hn. H. O. Dalkeith, Earl of Hoult, Joseph
Arroll, Sir William Dalrymple, Sir Charles Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham)
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Davenport, William Bromley Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn.SirH. Denny, Colonel Hudson, George Bickersteth
Bagot, Capt Josceline FitzRoy Dickinson, Robert Edmond Hunt, Rowland
Bailey, James (Walworth) Dickson, Charles Scott Jameson, Major J. Eustace
Balcarres, Lord Doughty, Sir George Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse
Balfour, Rt.Hn.A.J. (Manch'r) Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) Doxford, Sir William Theodore Jessel, Captain Herb. Merton
Balfour, Rt. Hn. Gerald(Leeds Duke Henry Edward Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H.
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Dyke, Rt.Hn.Sir William Hart Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T. (Denbigh)
Banbury, Sir Fredrk. George Egerton, Hn. A. de Tatton Kerr, John
Banner, John S. Harmood- Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.) Keswick, William
Bartley, Sir George C. T. Faber, George Denison (York) Kimber, Sir Henry
Bentinck, Lord Henry C. Fardell, Sir T. George Knowles, Sir Lees
Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Fellowes, Rt Hn Ailwyn Edward Lambton, Hn. Fredk. Win.
Bignold, Sir Arthur Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J(Manc'r) Laurie, Lieut.-General
Bigwood, James Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)
Bill, Charles Finch, Kt. Hn. George H. Lawson, Hn. H.L.W.(Mile End
Bingham, Lord Finlay, Rt.Hn.SirR. B(Inv'ru'ss Lee, Arthur H. (Hants, Fareham
Blundell, Colonel Henry Fisher, William Hayes Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead)
Bousfield, William Robert Fison, Frederick William Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage.
Bowles, Lt.-Col.H.F.(Middlesox Fitzroy, Hn. Edward Algernon leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S.
Brassey, Albert Flannery, Sir Forteseue Liddell, Henry
Brodrick, Rt, Hon. St. John Flower, Sir Ernest Llewellyn, Evan Henry
Brotherton, Edward Allen Forster, Henry William Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.
Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropsh.) Galloway, William Johnson Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham)
Brymer, William Eruese: Gardner, Ernest Long, Rt.Hn.Walter (Bristol. S.
Bull, William James Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H. Lousdale, John Brownlee
Burdett-Coutts, W. Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk. Lowe, Francis William
Butcher, John George Gordon, Maj Evans(TrHamlets Loyd, Archie Kirkman
Carlile, William Walter Gore, Hn. S. F. Ormsby Lucas, Col. Francis(Lowestoft)
Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H. Goschen, Hn. George Joachim Lucas, Reginald J.(Portsmouth
Cautley, Henry Strother Goulding, Edward Alfred Lyttelton, Rt. Hn. Alfred
Cavendish, V. C. W.(Derbysh.) Graham, Henry Robert Macdona, John Cumming
Cayzer, Sir Charles William Gray, Ernest (West Ham) MacIver, David (Liverpool)
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Gronfell, William Henry Maconochie, A. W.
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich Groves, James Grimble M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)
Chamberlain, Rt.Hn.J. (Birm. Guthrie, Walter Murray M'Iver, Sir Lewis (Edinburgh W.
Chamberlain, Rt.Hn.JA(Wore. Hall, Edward Marshall M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire
Chamberlayne, T. (S'thampton Halsey, Rt. Hn. Thomas F. Malcolm, Ian
Chapman, Edward Hambro, Charles Erie Manners, Lord Cecil
Clive, Captain Perey A. Hamilton Manq. of(L'nd'nderry Marks, Harry Hananel
Coates, Edward Feetham Hardy L. (Kent, Ashford) Martin, Richard Biddulph
Cochrane, Hn. Thos. H. A. E. Haslam, Sir Alfred S. Maxwell, Rt.Hn SirHE(Wigt'n)
Coghill, Douglas Harry Hay,Hn. Claude George Maxwell, W.J.H(Dumfriesshire
Callings, Rt. Hn. Jesse Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley Melville, Beresford Valentine
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Heath, Sir Jas. (Staffords, N. W Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M.
Compton, Lord Alwyne Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W. Middlemore, J. Throgmorton
Milner, Rt. Hn.Sir Frederick G. Ratcliff, R. F. Talbot, Lord E, (Chichester)
Milvain, Thomas Reid, James (Greenock) Thornton, Percy M.
Mitchell, Ed. (Fermanagh. N.) Remnant, James Farquharson Tollemache, Henry James
Molesworth, Sir Lewis Renwick, George Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Moon, Edward Robert Pacy Ridley, S. Forde Tuff, Charles
Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow) Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) Tuke, Sir John Batty
Morpeth, Viscount Robertson, Herbert(Hackney) Turnour Viscount
Morrell, George Herbert Rolleston, Sir John F. L. Vincent, Col Sir C EH(Sheffield)
Morrison, James Archibald Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye Walrond, Rt.Hn.Sir William H
Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert Warde, Colonel C.E.
Mount, William Arthur Round, Rt. Hn. James Welby, Lt.-CoIA C E (Taunton)
Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. Royds, Clement Molyneux Welby, Sir Chas. G.E. (Notts.)
Murray, Chas. J. (Coventry) Rutherford, John (Lancashire) Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon
Myers, William Henry Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) Whiteley, H. (AshtonundLyne)
Nicholson, William Graham Sackville, Col. S. G. (Stopford) Whitmore, Charles Algernon
O'Neill, Hn. Robert Torrens Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)
Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury) Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Pease, Herb. Pike (Darlington) Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.
Peel, Hn. Wm. Robt. Wellesley Sharpe, William Edward T. Wilson. John (Glasgow)
Pemberton, John S. G. Skewes-Cox, Thomas Wilson Todd, Sir W.H(Yorks.)
Percy, Earl Sloan, Thomas Henry Wodehouse, Rt.Hn.E.R(Bath)
Pierpoint, Robert Smith, H.C(North'mb,Tyneside Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Pilkington, Colonel Richard Smith, RtHnJParker(Lanarks Worsley-Taylor, Henry W.
Platt-Higgins, Frederick Spear, John Ward Wortley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart
Pretyman, Ernest George Stanley, Rt. Hn. Lord (Lanes.) Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward Steward, Sir M. J. M'Taggart TELLERS TOR THE AYES.—Sir
Purvis, Robert Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M. Alexander Acland-Hood
Randles, John S. Stone, Sir Benjamin and Viscount Valontia.
Rankin, Sir James Stroyan, Jobn
Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne Strutt, Hn. Charles Hedley
NOES.
Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N.K.) Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny- N) Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)
Allen, Charles P. Dewar, John A (Inverness-sh.) Isaacs, Rufus Daniel
Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herb. Henry Dilke, Ht. Hn. Sir Charles Jacoby, James Alfred
Atherley-Jones, L. Dobbie, Joseph Joicey, Sir James
Baker, Joseph Allen Donelan, Captain A. Jones, David B. (Swansea)
Doogan, P. C.
Barlow, John Emmott Douglas, Chas. M. (Lanark) Jones, William (Carnarvonsh-)
Beaumont, Wentworth C. B. Duncan, J. Hastings Jordan, Jeremiah
Bell, Richard Edwards, Frank Joyce, Michael
Benn, John Williams Elibank, Master of Kennedy, V. P. (Cavan, W.)
Black, Alexander William Ellice, Capt E C (SAndrw'sBghs Lambert, George
Boland, John Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) Langley, Batty
Bolton, Thomas Dolling Eve, Harry Trelawney Law, Hugh Alex(Donegal, W.)
Bond, Edward Fenwick, Charles Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)
Brigs, John Field, William Lay land-Barratt, Francis
Bright, Allan Heywood Findlay, Alexander(Lanark NE Leigh, Sir Joseph
Broadhurst, Henry Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond Levy, Maurice
Brown, George M. (Edinburgh Flavin, Michael Joseph Lewis, John Herbert
Bryce, Rt. Hn. James Flynn. James Christopber Lough, Thomas
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) Lundon, W.
Burke, E. Haviland Fuller, J. M. F. MacVeagh, Jeremiah
Burl, Thomas Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herb. John M'Arthur Wm. (Cornwall)
Buxton, N.E.(York, NRWhitby Goddard, Daniel Ford M'Crae, George
Caldwell, James Guest, Hn. Ivor Churchill M'Kean, John
Cameron, Robert Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North)
Causton, Richard Knight Haldane, Rt. Hn. Richard B. M'Laren, Sir Chas. Benjamin
Cawley, Frederick Hammond, John Mansfield, Horace Rendall
Channing, Francis Allston Harcourt, Lewis Markham, Arthur Basil
Cheetham, John Frederick Hardie, J.Keir{MerthyrTydvil Morgan, J. Lloyd(Carmarthen)
Clancy, John Joseph Harwood, George Moulton, John Fletcher
Condon, Thomas Joseph Hayden, John Patrick Muldoon, John
Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark Helme, Norval Watson Murnaghan, George
Cremer, William Randal Hemphill, Rt. Hn. Charles H. Murphy, John
Crombie, John William Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Nannetti, Joseph P.
Crooks, William Higham, John Sharp Newnes, Sir George
Cullinan, J. Holland, Sir William Henry Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)
Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan) Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) Norman, Henry
Delaey, William Horniman, Frederick John Nussey, Thomas Willans
Devlin, Chas.Ramsay(Galway) O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid.)
O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Rickett, J. Compton Tomkinson, James
O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) Roberts, John H. (Denbighs) Toulmin. (George
O'Connor, James(Wicklow, W.) Roe, Sir Thomas Trevelyan, Charles Philips
O'Connor, John (Kildare, N) Russell, T. W. Waldron, Laurence Ambrose
O'Dowd, John Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland) Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
0'Melly, Conor (Mayo, N.) Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan
O'Malley, William Schwann, Charles E. Wason, J. Catheart (Orkney)
O'Mara, James Seely, Maj JEB (Isle of Wight) Weir, James Galloway
O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Shackleton, David James White, George (Norfolk
Parrott, William Shaw, Chas. Edw. (Stafford) White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Partington, Oswald Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.) Whiteley, George(York, W.R.)
Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) Sheehy, David Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Philipps, John Wynford Shipman, Dr. John G. Wilson, Chas Henry (Hull, W.)
Pirie, Duncan V. Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) Wilson. Fred W. (Norfolk, Mid
Power, Patrick Joseph Slack, John Bamford Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.
Price, Robert John Smith Samuel (Flint) Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.
Priestley, Arthur Spencer. Rt Hn_C R(Northants) Woodhouse, Sir J T(Huddersf'd
Rea, Russell Stanhope, Hon. Philip James Young, Samuel
Reckitt, Harold James Sullivan, Donal Yoxall, James Henry
Ruddy, M. Tennant, Harold John TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr.
Redmond, John E.(Waterford) Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr Leif Jones and Mr. Emmott
Richards, Thomas Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.)

Bill read the third time, and passed.

And, it being after Eleven of the clock, Mr. SPEAKER proceeded, in pursuance of the Order of the House of July 5th, to put forthwith the Question on any Amendments moved by the Government of which notice had been given.

Amendment proposed to the Bill— In page 7, line 29, after the word 'Act,' to insert the words 'on an appeal to an immigration board.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglatt.)

Amendment proposed to the Bill— In page 7, line 33, after the word 'character,' to insert the words 'or whether a crime is an extradition crime.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akern-Douglas.)

Amendment proposed to the Bill— In page 7, line 34, to leave out the words from the first 'State,' to the end of line 35, and insert the words 'in accordance with rules made under this Act, and the Board shall aut in accordance with his decision.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)

Bill to be read the third time Tomorrow, and to be printed. [Bill 277.]