§ Order read, for resuming adjourned debate on Amendment proposed [17th July] on Consideration of the Bill, as amended.
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Which Amendment was—
To leave pit Clause 2."—(Mr. Dalziel.)
§ Question again proposed, "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Bill."
§ SIR HOWARD VINCENT (Sheffield, Central)said he had listened with great attention to the speeches made on the previous night with reference to Clause 2, and he had heard the Answers given by the right hon. Gentleman who had charge of the Bill, and who had conducted it with such marked ability, who had fully met the objections that had been taken to this part of the Bill. There was, however, one matter of great importance to those unfortunate people who might try to find a home in this country, and that was that the appeal should be heard as promptly as possible. He himself had given much attention to this matter in New York, and had often been present at the sittings of the ourt at Ellis Island, where the Court was in constant session to deal with doubtful cases. It was of course impossible with the limited funds at the disposal of the Home Secretary and the larger number of ports in this country to have Courts in constant session, but at the same time he had no doubt that provision would be made for the assembling of a competent board as rapidly as possible to deal with these cases. The clause was framed in such a way as to ensure that the board should be composed of men accustomed to deal with matters of this character and who would be able to cross-examine the alien and ascertain if he were a desirable person to admit into this country. He therefore did not think that the word "business" should be altered in any way. It was not necessary o labour this point, because he was convinced that hon. Gentlemen opposite must be perfectly satisfied as to the fairness with which this Bill would be carried out. He had implicit confidence in the Home Office at all times, but especially when it was administered by his right hon. friend.
§ MR. DALZIEL (Kirkcaldy Burghs)rose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put;" but Mr. Speaker withheld his assent, and declined then to put that Question.
§ *MR. RENWICK (Newcastle-on-Tyne)said it was within the recollection of the House that during the debates on this Bill it was argued that the immigration board to be established should have the confidence of all those concerned. Yet members of the Opposition proposed to leave this important clause out altogether. The clause provided that the members of the board should consist of three persons appointed in accordance with rules laid down by the Home Secretary, out of a list approved by him, of fit and proper persons having magisterial or administrative experience. If it was absolutely necessary for shipowners, it was equally necessary for the immigrant that his case should be promptly settled. There was in existence a body called the port sanitary authority in many ports from which such a board could be formed, and one in which not only the shipowner but the captains of vessels, and the authorities generally, would have confidence. The port sanitary authority for the Tyne consisted of several magistrates, two or three shipowners, and others who were accustomed to deal with matters such as these and able to deal with them quickly. Yet Members opposite, without giving one thought to this question, asked the House, composed as it was largely of business men and accustomed to such matters, to leave the clause out. The clause also provided that notice should be given to masters and immigrants informing them of the right of appeal. Were hon. Members opposite ware that if this clause were left out there would be no one to whom these unfortunate immigrants, who might be our own countrymen coming back from America in order to take part in the prosperity of the cotton trade of Lancashire, could appeal? When he and other Members rose to point that out they were jeered at by the Opposition. The clause also laid it down that, notice having been given, the master and the immigrant were to be informed of the grounds on which leave to land was refused. That was an important matter which had not received sufficient discussion, and he was well within his rights in drawing attention to it. But one of the most important points in connection with the Bill was the board which was to be formed to deal with the immigrants as they came in. There was 1140 no better body from which such a board could be formed than that of our port sanitary authorities. He had received a request from the port sanitary authority of Newcastle on-Tyne asking him to point out to the Home Secretary that these bodies were in existence, and he trusted that when the right hon. Gentleman, framed these rules he would remember their existence. If he did, and appointed the immigration boards from them, he would find he had appointed most, efficient bodies.
§ MR. PURVIS (Peterborough)said that notwithstanding the somewhat surprising, and unusual desire of hon. Members opposite to go to a division, he felt constrained for a short time to intervene in. this debate. They had heard at great length day after day elaborate arguments from hon. Gentlemen opposite, and hitherto he had only been a listener but as the Bill was of universal interest to the country, and as this clause was of such peculiar interest to those who had any knowledge of the administration of the laws of the country, he was quite sure the most impatient Member of the House would bear with him for a few moments. As a lawyer he could conscientiously say that he was convinced that it would be better for the immigrants themselves that they should have the right to appeal to a board rather than a Court of Appeal. They had heard a good deal of prosecution and persecution, and anybody who carefully considered this matter must come to the conclusion that to relegate these unfortunate people to the law's delays by sending them to a Court of Appeal would be not only to persecute, but to ruin in many cases the unfortunate appellant. Their great object should be to create a good businesslike board which should be able, owing to its composition, to deal with the cases which from time to time were brought before it. He had been much struck by the suggestion that the word "industrial" should be substituted for the word "business." Such a change would exclude entirely from the board men having knowledge of administration—such men as magistrates, solicitors, barristers, and others acquainted with the administration of the laws, and having a knowledge of the 1141 rules of evidence. Could anyone conceive anything more unfortunate than that the poor immigrant, about whom be much sympathy had been expressed, should be brought before a board which was absolutely destitute of the knowledge of the simplest rules of evidence. There must be a quorum, and the clerk must be able to choose from a panel which would do justice to the immigrant. Then it would be impossible to have such a large number in the smaller ports as in London, and that was another reason for greater variety being secured in the panel. Those qualities must be secured in order to ensure fair play to the unfortunate foreign immigrant. The only way to secure freedom and liberty was to have a board composed of different qualities. The board of appeal would degenerate into a board of persecution without the qualification provided by the second part of the clause.
§ Mr. J. A. PEASE (Essex, Saffron Walden)rose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put;" but Mr. Speaker withheld his assent, and declined then to put that Question.
§ MR. FORDE RIDLEY (Bethnal Green, S.W.)said he could not understand the intention of the hon. Member who had moved the Amendment, nor the anxiety
§ of hon. Gentlemen opposite to conclude the debate.
§ MR. LLOYD-GEORGE (Carnarvon Boroughs)There are eight more clauses to discuss.
§ MR. FORDE RIDLEYsaid he would remind the hon. Member for Carnarvon Boroughs that if he had remembered that in the earlier stages of the Bill they might now have had a good deal more time in which to discuss the remaining clauses. After all the arguments that had been used about the injustice, the hardship, and the cruelty going to be done to the poor immigrants, it was, he must say, the strangest of all anomalies that hon. Gentleman opposite, who had been palpably opposed alt through to the Bill, root and branch, should rise and propose that the very clause which was for the protection of the immigrant should be left out.
§ Mr. J. F. HOPE (Sheffield, Brightside)rose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put."
§ Question put accordingly, "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Bill."
§ The House divided:—Ayes, 173; Noes, 132. (Division List No. 294.)
1143AYES. | ||
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Bowles, Lt-ColHF.(Middlesex) | Davenport, William Bromley |
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel | Brassey, Albert | Denny, Colonel |
Anson, Sir William Reynell | Brodrick, Rt. Hn. St. | Dickinson, Robert Edmoud |
Arkwright, John Stanhope | Brymer, Wliliam Ernest | Dickson, Charles Scott |
Arnold-Forstor, Rt. Hn. H. O. | Bull, William James | Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers |
Arrol, Sir William | Burdett-Coutts, W. | Doxford, Sir Wm. Theodore |
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John | Carson, Rt. Hn.Sir Edw. H. | Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. Hart |
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn.Sir H. | Cautley, Henry Strother | Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton |
Bailey, James (Walworth) | Cavendish, V.C.W.(Derbysh. | Fellowes, Rt. HnAilwyn Edw- |
Balcarres, Lord | Cayzer, Sir Charles William | Fergusson, Rt. Hn.Sir J(Manc'r |
Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J.(Manch'r | Chamberlain, RtHnJ.A(Wore. | Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst |
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) | Chamberlayne, T. (S'thampton | Finch, Rt. Hn. George H. |
Balfour, RtHnGeraldW(Leeds) | Chapman, Edward | Finlay, Rt Hn SirR.B(Inv'rn'ss |
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. | Clare, Octavius Leigh | Fisher, William Hayes |
Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Cochrane, Hn. Thos. H. A. E. | Fitzroy, Hn. Edward Algernon |
Barran, Rowland Hirst | Coghill, Douglas Harry | Flannery, Sir Fortescue |
Bignold, Sir Arthur | Cohen, Benjamin Louis | Flower, Sir Ernest |
Bigwood, James | Collings, Rt. Hn. Jesse | Forster, Henry William |
Bill, Charles | Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole | Gardner, Ernest |
Bingham, Lord | Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Gordon, Maj. Evans(T rH'ml'ts |
Blundell, Colonel Henry | Crossley, Rt. Hn. Sir Savile | Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby |
Bond, Edward | Dalkeith, Earl of | Goschen, Hn. George Joachim |
Bousfield, William Robert | Dalrymple, Sir Charles | Goulding, Edward Alfred |
Graham, Henry Robert | Loyd, Archie kirkman | Robertson, Herb. (Hackney) |
Gray, Ernest (West Ham) | Lucas, ReginaldJ.(Portsmouth | Rolleston, Sir John F. L. |
Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs.) | Lyttelton, Rt. Hn. Alfred | Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye |
Grenfell, William Henry | Macdona, John Cumming | Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert |
Groves, James Grimble | MacIver, David (Liverpool) | Royds, Clement Molyneux |
Hamilton, Marq.of(L'nd'nderry | Macanochie, A. W. | Rutherford, John (Lancashire) |
Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford) | M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) | Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) |
Haslam, Sir Alfred S. | M'Iver, Sir Lewis(Edinburgh) | Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford |
Hay, Hn. Claude George | M'Killop, James (Stirlinghsire) | Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander |
Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley | Malcolm, Ian | Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) |
Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W | Martin, Richard Biddulph | Sharpe, William Edward T. |
Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. | Maxwell, RtHnSirH.E(Wigt'n | Sloan, Thomas Henry |
Hoare, Sir Samuel | Maxwell, W.JH(Dumfriesshire | Smith, HC(North'mb,Tyneside |
Hogg, Lindsay | Middlemore, J. Throgmorton | Smith, Hn. W. F. D. (Strand) |
Hope, J.F.(Sheffield, Brightside | Milvain, Thomas | Spear, John Ward |
Hoult, Joseph | Morgan, D J. (Walthamstow) | Stanley, Rt.Hn. Lord (Lanes.) |
Hozier, Hon. James Henry C. | Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer | Stone, Sir Benjamin |
Hudson, George Bickersteth | Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. | Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley |
Hunt, Rowland | Murray, Chas. J. (Coventry) | Talbot, Lord E (Chichester) |
Jameson, Major J. Eustace | O'Neill, Hn. Robert Torrens | Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth) |
Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse | Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury) | Tollemache, Henry James |
Jeffreys, Rt, Hn. Arthur Fred | Peate, Herb. Pike (Darlington | Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M. |
Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H | Pemberton, John S. G. | Tuff, Charles |
Kenyon, Hn. Gea. T. (Denbigh | Percy, Earl | Tuke, Sir John Batty |
Kerr, John | Platt-Higgins, Frederick | Vincent, Col SirCEH(Sheffield) |
Kimber, Sir Henry | Pretyman, Ernest George | Walrond, Rt. HnSirWm. H. |
Knowles, Sir Lees | Pryce-Jones, Lt. Col. Edward | Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon |
Laurie, Lieut.-General | Purvis, Robert | Whiteley, H. (Ashton undLyne |
Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) | Pym, C. Guy | Wilson, John (Glasgow) |
Lee, ArthurH (Hants, Fareham | Randles, John S. | Wilson-Todd, Sir W.H. (Yorks |
Legge, Col. Hn. Heneage | Rankin, Sir James | Wodehouse, Rt.HnE.R.(Bath |
Leveson-Gower, Frederick N.S. | Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne | Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm |
Liddell, Henry | Ratcliff, R. F. | TELLERS FOK THE AYES—Sir |
Llewellyn, Evan Henry | Reid, James (Greenock) | Alexander Acland-Hood and |
Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. | Renwick, George | Viscount Valentia. |
Long, Rt Hn Waiter(Bristol, S) | Ridley, S. Forde | |
NOES. | ||
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E. | Evans, Samuel T.(Glamorgan) | Langley, Batty |
Allen, Charles P. | Eve, Harry Trelawney | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) |
Baker, Joseph Allen | Fenwick, Charles | Layland-Barratt, Francis |
Barlow, John Emmott | Field, William | Levy, Maurice |
Barry, E. (Cork, S.) | Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N-E.) | Lewis, John Herbert |
Bell, Richard | Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond | Lloyd-George, David |
Benn, John Williams | Flavin, Michael Joseph | Lundon, W. |
Boland, John | Flynn, James Christopher | MacVeagh, Jeremiah |
Bolton, Thomas Dolling | Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) | M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) |
Brigg, John | Gilhooly, James | M'Crae, George |
Bright, Allan Heywood | Goddard, Daniel Ford | M'Kean, John |
Broadhurst, Henry | Guest, Hn. Ivor Churchill | M'Kenna, Reginald |
Burns, John | Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) |
Burt, Thomas | Hammond, John | Mansfield, Horace Rendall |
Caldwell, James | Hardie, J. Keir (MerthyrTydvil | Morgan, J. Lloyd (Camarthen) |
Cameron, Robert | Harwood, George | Muldoon, John |
Causton, Richard Knight | Hayden, John Patrick | Murnaghan, George |
Clancy, John Joseph | Helme, Norval Watson | Murphy, John |
Cremer, William Randal | Hemphill, Rt. Hn. Charles H. | Nann tti, Joseph P. |
Crombic, John William | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Newnes, Sir George |
Crooks, William | Higham, John Sharp | Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) |
Cullinan, J. | Holland, Sir William Henry | Norman, Henry |
Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan | Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) | O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid.) |
Delany, William | Horniman, Frederick John | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) |
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay I Galway | Jacoby, James Alfred | O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) |
Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.) | Joicey, Sir James | O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W. |
Dewar, John A-(Inverness-sh. | Jones, Leif (Appleby) | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) |
Dilke, Rt. Hn. Sir Charles | Jones, William (Carnarvonsh | O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.) |
Donelan, Captain A. | Jordan, Jeremiah | O'Dowd, John |
Doogan, P. C. | Joyce, Michael | O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) |
Edwards, Frank | Kennedy, Vincent P(Cavan,W | O'Malley, William |
Ellice, CaptEC(SAndrw'sBghs) | Lambert, George | O'Mara, James |
O'Shaughnessy, P. J. | Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
Parrott, William | Shackleton, David James | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer |
Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) | Shaw, Chas. Edw. (Stafford) | Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull, W.) |
Philipps, John Wynford | Sheehy, David | Wilson, Fred W. (Norfolk, Mid |
Pirie, Duncan V. | Shipman, Dr. John G. | Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R.) |
Power, Patrick Joseph | Slack, John Bamford | Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.) |
Price, Robert John | Smith, Samuel (Flint) | Woodhouse, SirJT(Huddersf'd |
Reckitt, Harold James | Spencer, Rt Hn C.R(Northants | Young, Samuel |
Reddy, M. | Sullivan, Donal | Yoxall, James Henry |
Redmond, John E. (Waterford | Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr | TELLERS son THE NOES.—Mr. |
Richards, Thomas | Ure, Alexander | Dalziel and Mr. Trevelyan. |
Roberts, John H. (Denbighs) | Walton, Joseph (Barnsley) | |
Roche, Augustine (Cork) | Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan | |
Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland) | Weir, James Galloway |
Question, "That the Question be now put," put, and agreed to.
§ *MR. CREMER (Shoreditch, Haggerston)moved to add at the end of Clause 2 a sub-section providing that one member of the immigration board should be a member of some bona fide organisation of workmen. He said that the qualifications for members of the boards were by no means of a satisfactory character. It was proposed that one member should have magisterial experience, another business experience, and the third administrative experience. These were very ambiguous descriptions, especially the second. He believed the really practical man would be found among the working class organisations. At the time he placed the Amendment on the Paper he did not know that the members of the board would be paid for their services; he had expected that they would do the work gratuitously in the same way as Members of Parliament; therefore it was not with any intention of rinding snug well-paid berths for working men that he made this proposal. But they were constantly told that the working classes would be immediately affected by the Bill, and, if that were so, what objection could there be to putting a member of a working class organisation on these boards? Men of the right type could easily be found; there were trades councils in every one of the eleven ports where immigration boards were to be set up, and representatives from these bodies would bring to bear on the work of the boards just that practical experience which was necessary. Such members by a few direct and technical questions would immediately ascertain whether immigrants were what they professed to be, would very quickly detect impostors, and he was convinced they would prove to be exceedingly valuable members of the boards. He expressly inserted the words "bona fide organisation," in order to prevent bounty-fed 1146 agitators connected with associations that were not financially supported by working men and which did not represent the working classes, from being placed on these boards. In the hope that the Home Secretary would see not only the advantage, but the absolute necessity of the class of appointment which he advocated, he begged to move.
§ MR. JOHN WILSON (Durham, Mid.), in seconding, said he thought an Amendment of this kind was necessary for the proper working of the measure. They had upon a previous occasion tried to introduce a clause to protect British labour, and they had been chided with claiming to be in favour of this Bill whilst they had been opposing it all through. However bad a Bill might be it was part of the duty of wise men to try their best to minimise the evils in it. They had tried to introduce an Amendment to keep out alien contract labour during strikes, but they had failed. He thought his hon. friend who had moved this Amendment had put the case fairly and clearly before the House, and if the Home Secretary could not accept this Amendment he hoped he would be able to frame some rulo which would carry out this idea. The Home Secretary had laid down certain conditions which were necessary as qualifications for those who would be appointed to serve on the immigration boards, and he submitted to the right hon. Gentleman that there were connected with the great trades organisations in every port a number of men who possessed at least two of the qualifications out of the three required for the formation of these boards. The Home Secretary laid down as one qualification that they must be magisterial. He was aware that there were not many working men who were magistrates, 1147 and there ought to be more. The work done by the great trades organisations of this country had specially fitted men for serving on these boards. One of the qualifications laid down was that they must be business men. If a trades union leader fulfilled his position properly he was bound to have manifested before his appointment strong business capabilities. The class of people to be dealt with by these boards would be the very poor people, and he might mention that there was hardly a boards of guardians in any part of the country upon which some working men had not made themselves thoroughly acquainted with the working of the Poor Law. For these reasons he thought the members of trade organisations were specially qualified for taking at least one of the positions on these boards. He thought that a working man was the best judge as to whether any of these immigrants were undesirables or not.
§
Amendment proposed—
In page 3, line 20, at the end, to insert the words, '(3) Notwithstanding anything herein before contained one member of the immigration board shall be a member of some bona fide organisation of workmen."—(Mr. Cremer)—
§ Question proposed, "That those words be there inserted."
§ MAJOR EVANS GORDON (Tower Hamlets, Stepney)said he found himself very largely in agreement with the proposer and seconder of the Amendment in what they had said as to the desirability of having a representative of the working classes at all events on the panel. There were a great many matters which would come before the board on which the opinion and advice of men acquainted with the industrial conditions of the locality would be of great value, and he hoped the Home Secretary would see his way to having the names of such men upon the panel, feeling sure that it would give confidence both to the immigrants and to the working classes.
§ THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR THE HOME DEPARTMENT (Mr. AKERS-DOUGLAS, Kent, St. Augustine's)said he had a great deal of sympathy with the material part of the Amendment, but he could not accept it in the form in 1148 which it was moved. He was perfectly prepared to put persons accustomed to industrial matters on the panel, and he dared say that one of them would thus serve on the board in many instances, but that was a different thing to putting them on the panel and compelling the summoning officer always to summon one. He thought he showed his intention, to the House the previous night; and he considered the word "business" would cover not only proprietors of businesses and manufacturers, but also those who had industrial experience. Certainly that was the sense in which he should construe the word when he administered the Act. The hon. Member for Manchester had handed in an Amendment to insert the word "industrial." He should have been perfectly prepared to accept that, and he thought it would to a large extent have met the views of hon. Gentlemen opposite; but the Amendment moved, went very much further than that, and he could not accept it in its present form. The hon. Member, however, might take it that he did not differ from him in the desire to secure on the panel the experience of those dealing with the industrial classes, and who undoubtedly possessed a great deal of that information, which they desired to get. He could not accept the Amendment as it was, and he did not think it was necessary, because he could assure the hon. Member that the representatives of the class which he desired would be put upon the panel, for they could undoubtedly do the immigration board a great deal of service. He had gone some way to meet the hon. Member; but, although he accepted the spirit of the Amendment, he could not accept the actual words.
§ MR. FENWICK (Northumberland, Wansbeck)said he thought a moments consideration would show that the concession made by the Home Secretary was not worth very much. It was no satisfaction to know that a representative of labour was to be put on the panel when perhaps he would never be called. There was no guarantee that the men whose names were upon the panel would be selected in rotation. They distinctly laid down the principle that there should be on the board a magistrate or man with magisterial experience; a man of 1149 business capacity; and a man of administrative skill; and they might have on the panel from now till Doomsday a representative of labour who would never be called to attend a single meeting of the board. He submitted that that was no satisfaction to them or those they represented. This was a question which more directly came home to the working classes than to any other class of the community. They were more interested in this question than either the magistrate, the business man, or the man of administrative capacity. The people to be dealt with by the boards were of their own class, and all their associations, sympathies, and aspirations were such as were born of men of their own class in this country. If, therefore, they wanted the Act to be smoothly administered they would do well to accept the Amendment. Although they appreciated the step the Home Secretary had taken in advance in the matter, practically it amounted to no concession at all.
§ ME. SPEAR (Devonshire, Tavistock)aid he recognised the spirit which the Home Secretary had shown in the matter, but he thought it would be more gracious and only just if he acceded entirely to the principle of the Amendment. By doing so he would be promoting and facilitating the successful working of the Bill. While it was most important that they should have on these boards men versed in legal technicalities and of strong and far-reaching capabilities, he submitted it was equally important that they should also have a working man, experienced in the difficulties of living, of providing food, and earning wages. With the experience so gained, a man would contribute valuable assistance to a righteous and just decision on the intricate questions which would come from time to time before the immigration board. It might be said that a working man might be here and there tempted to take action that would unduly keep out an immigrant who came here to compete with British labour. He believed, however, that the working man was as just and generous as members of other classes. But even if such cases did arise, his colleagues on the immigration board would certainly keep him right and see that justice was done all 1150 round. He earnestly hoped that the Government would be able to make this concession. It would be a gracious act, and at the same time one that would be only just, and that would greatly increase the confidence of the people of this country in the operation of this measure. It was a measure chiefly promoted in the interests of the lower classes, and the Amendment would increase the confidence of these classes.
§ MR. CROOKS (Woolwich)appealed to the Home Secretary to accept the Amendment. The Answer of the right hon. Gentleman was very sympathetic, but it showed how little he knew of the treatment of working men under certain circumstances. Even in this House, when they had been talking of labour-representation, the noble Lord the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs had said that he was a labour representative. The words proposed by the Home Secretary might be stretched to include the Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs as a representative of labour. He maintained that the knowledge which working men possessed in regard to people of their own class would be of great service when the boards were endeavouring to decide on questions whether the immigrants who came to this country were or were not desirable. Had the Home Secretary or the Lord Chancellor ever head any complaint of the discrimination or judicial capacity of the working-men magistrates throughout the length and breadth of the land? Was not the satisfactory manner in which they discharged their duties conclusive proof that they had the faculty for this kind of work? He was against the Bill, but, if it was to be passed, he desired to have it amended in such a manner as would make it less objectionable than it otherwise would be.
§ *MR. RENWICKsaid that during the discussions on this Bill shipowners had been endeavouring to devise means by which immigrants could be landed immediately. In some instances it might be necessary to land them on condition of their being examined ashore by the immigration board. He wished to point out the inconvenience and delay which 1151 might arise in dealing with cases if working men were put on the boards. Ships arrived at all hours of the day and night, and it would be impossible to get working men to attend the sittings of the board at the times when their presence might be most desirable. Shipowners wanted men who were on the spot and who could be called immediately to settle important questions as to debarkation. While he had nothing to say against working men representatives generally, he thought that in this case it would be a mistake to appoint them members of these boards. He sincerely trusted that the Home Secretary would not accept the Amendment.
§ SIR JAMES JOICEY (Durham, Chester-le-Street)said he could assure the House that working men could attend. He spoke as one who had had very great experience of bona fide working men in connection with their organisations. In the county of Durham a system prevailed under which employers were brought into almost daily contact with the workmen's unions, and he could state that the training these men got in dealing with business matters was such as would enable them to deal with the questions which would come before them on the immigration boards. The present chairman of the County Council of Durham was the Member for Mid-Durham. There were many men of his type in the county of Northumberland. There was not a member of that council, from the Duke of Northumberland down-wards, socially, who would not agree with him in saying that among the working men were some of the very best representatives they had. He was sorry the Home Secretary could not see his way to ensure there should be always a working man on the board. He had come into contact with working men who were certainly fitted to repre-
§ sent any district upon these boards' In the county of Durham many working men were chairmen of district councils, and consequently were magistrates, and he had never heard a complaint against them of not being able to properly discharge their duties.
§ MR. SYDNEY BUXTON (Tower Hamlets, Poplar)said he was in favour of the Amendment. He understood that the basis on which the Bill was introduced was that aliens who were economically undesirable should be prevented from coming into the country. If that was the basis on which it had been brought forward, he thought the Home Secretary would agree that the best man to decide whether an alien was desirable or not was a working man. He hoped the Home Secretary would reconsider his decision.
§ MR. HARWOOD (Bolton)asked how the working man would be chosen out of the panel when ships arrived. Could the right hon. Gentleman say whether they would be taken in rotation or picked out arbitrarily by some particular official?
§ MR. CHURCHILL (Oldham)said it seemed to him that the request made in this Amendment was a reasonable one. After all, the great bulk of immigrants belonged to those classes who in foreign countries were called the working classes. It did not seem extravagant to request that one of the members of the board should be one of their own class in this country who would most readily appreciate the conditions which had induced those foreigners to seek refuge on our shores.
§ Question put.
§ The House divided:—Ayes, 168; Noes. 217. (Division List No. 295.)
1153Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark) | Jones, David B. (Swansea) | Rea, Russell |
Crombie, John William | Jones, Leif (Appleby) | Reckitt, Harold James |
Crooks, William | Jones, William (Carnarvonsh. | Reddy, M. |
Cullinan, J. | Jordan, Jeremiah | Redmond, John E.(Waterford) |
Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan) | Joyce, Michael | Richards, Thomas |
Delany, William | Kennedy, Vincent P.(Cavan,W | Rickett, J Compton |
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay(Galway | Lambert, George | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs) |
Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.) | Langley, Batty | Roe, Sir Thomas |
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh | Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W. | Russell, T. W. |
Dilke, Rt. Hn. Sir Charles | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) | Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland) |
Dobbie, Joseph | Layland-Barratt, Francis | Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) |
Donelan, Captain A. | Levy, Maurice | Schwann, Charles E. |
Doogan, P. C. | Lewis, John Herbert | Seely, Maj. J.E.B.(Isle of Wight |
Douglas, Chas. M. (Lanark) | Lundon, W. | Shackleton, David James |
Duncan, J. Hastings | Mac Veagh, Jeremiah | Shaw Chas. Edw.(Stafford) |
Edwards, Frank | M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) | Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.) |
Elibank, Master of | M'Crae, George | Sheehy, David |
Ellice, Capt.EC(S.Andrw'sBghs | M'Kenna, Reginald | Shipman, Dr. John G. |
Emmott, Alfred | M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) | Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) |
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan | Mansfield, Horace Rendall | Slack, John Bamford |
Eve, Harry Trelawney | Markham, Arthur Basil | Sloan, Thomas Henry |
Fenwick, Charles | Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh, N. | Smith, Samuel (Flint) |
Field, William | Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen | Spencer, Rt. Hn.CR(Northants |
Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N.Ed | Moulton, John Fletcher | Sullivan, Donal |
Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond | Muldoon, John | Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr |
Flavin, Michael Joseph | Murnaghan, George | Thomson, F. W. (York, W.R.) |
Flynn, James Christopher | Murphy, John | Tomkinson, James |
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co. | Nannetti, Joseph P. | Toulmin, George |
Gilhooly, James | Newnes, Sir George | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
Gladstone, RtHn Herbert John | Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) | Ure, Alexander |
Goddard, Daniel Ford | Norman, Henry | Walton, Joseph (Barnsley) |
Guest, Hn. Ivor Churchill | Nussey, Thomas Willans | Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan |
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid) | Weir, James Galloway |
Hammond, John | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | White, George (Norfolk) |
Harcourt, Lewis | O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W | White, Patrick (Meath, North; |
Hardie, J.Keir (MerthyrTydvil | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) | Whiteley, George (York, W.R.- |
Harrington, Timothy | O'Dowd, John | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer |
Harwood, George | O'Kelly, Conor (Mavo, N. | Wilson, Chas. Henry(Hull, W. |
Helme, Noryal Watson | O'Malley, William | Wilson, Fred W. (Norfolk, Mid |
Hemphill, Rt. Hn. Charles H. | O'Mara, James | Wilson, Henry J. (York. W.R. |
Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. | Woodhouse, SirJT(Huddersf'd |
Higham, John Sharp | Parrott, William | Young, Samuel |
Holland, Sir William Henry | Partington, Oswald | Yoxall, James Henry |
Hope, John Deans (Fife, West | Pease, J. A. (Saffron Waldon) | TELLERS FOR THK AYES—Mr. |
Horniman, Frederick John | Philipps, John Wynford | Cremer and Mr. John |
Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) | Pirie, Duncan V. | Wilson (Durham) |
Issacs, Rufus Daniel | Power, Patrick Joseph | |
Jacoby, James Alfred | Price, Robert John | |
Joicey. Sir James | Priestley, Arthur |
NOES. | ||
Agg-Gardner, James 'Tynte | Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. | Cautley, Henry Strother |
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel | Bignold, Sir Arthur | Cavendish, V.C.W.(Derbyshire |
Anson, Sir William Reynell | Bigwood, James | Cayzer, Sir Charles William |
Arkwright, John Stanhope | Bill, Charles | Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) |
Arnold-Forster, RtHnHaghO. | Bingham Lord | Chamberlain, RtHnJA (Wore. |
Arrol, Sir William | Blundell, Colonel Henry | Chamberlayne, T.(S'thampton |
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John | Bond, Edward | Chapman, Edward |
Aubrey-Fetcher, Rt. Hn. Sir H | Bousfield, William Robert | Clive, Captain Percy A. |
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy | Bowles, Lt.-Col.HF(Middlesex | Coates, Edward Feetham |
Bailey, James (Walworth) | Brassey, Albert | Cochrane, Hn. Thos. H. A. E. |
Balcarres, Lord | Brodrick, Rt. Hn. St. John | Coghill, Douglas Harry |
Balfour, RtHnA.J (Manch'r | Brotherton, Edward Allen | Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse |
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) | Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropsh. | Coston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole |
Balfour, RtHnGeraldW(Leeds | Brymer, William Ernest | Compton, Lord Alwyne |
Balfour, Kenneth R, (Christch. | Bull, William James | Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas |
Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Burdett-Coutts, W. | Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)- |
Banner, John S. Harmood- | Butcher, John George | Crossley, Rt, Hn. Sir Savile |
Bartley, Sir George C. T. | Carlile, William Walter | Dalkeith, Earl of |
Bentinck, Lord Henry C. | Carson RtHn. Sir Edw. H. | Dalrymple, Sir Charles |
§
Amendment proposed to the Bill—
In page 3, line 30, after the word 'fine, to insert the words 'or of an offence under paragraph twenty - two or twenty - three of section three hundred and eighty-one of The Burgh Police (Scotland) Act, 1892, or of an offence as a prostitute under Section seventy-two of The Towns Improvement (Ireland) Act, 1854, or paragraph eleven of ection fifty-four of the Metropolitan Police Act, 1839.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers- Douglas.)
§ Amendment agreed to.
1156§ MR. LEIF JONES (Westmoreland,) Applebymoved as an Amendment to strike out Sub-section 2 of Clause 4 on the ground that to make the master of a ship responsible for six months for the good behaviour of aliens which he had brought to this country was unfair. How on earth was a ship's captain to know the character of a passenger on his ship, and how could he be made responsible for the conduct of such a passenger six months after that at passenger had 1157 left his ship? The scheme was unfair in principle, and would be unworkable in practice.
§ MR. EMMOTT (Oldham)seconded the Amendment.
§
Amendment proposed to the Bill—
In page 4, line 20, to leave out Sub-section (2) of Clause 4."—(Mr. Leif Jones.)
§ Question proposed, "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Bill."
1158§ THE ATTORNEY - GENERAL (Sir ROBERT FINLAY, Inverness Burghs)said that, the sub-section was argued at considerable length in Committee, and he hoped the Amendment would not be pressed. The sub-section would tend to make the ship-owner more careful.
§ Question put.
§ The House divided:—Ayes, 244; Noes, 177. (Division List No. 296.)
1159AYES. | ||
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.) | Black, Alexander William | Caldwell, James |
Allen, Charles P. | Boland, John | Cameron, Robert |
Asquith, Rt Hn. Herb. Henry | Bolton, Thomas Dolling | Causton, Richard Knight |
Atherley-Jones, L. | Brigg, John | Cawley, Frederick |
Baker, Joseph Allen | Bright, Allan Heywood | Channing, Francis Allston |
Barlow, John Emmott | Broadhurst, Henry | Cheetham, John Frederick |
Beaumont, Wentworth C. R | Burke, E. Haviland | Churchill, Winston Spencer |
Bell, Richard | Burt, Thomas | Clancy, John Joseph |
Benn, John Williams | Buxton, Sydney Chas.(Poplar) | Condon, Thomas Joseph. |
Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark) | Jones, David B. (Swansea) | Rea, Russell |
Crombie, John William | Jones, Leif (Appleby) | Reckitt, Harold James |
Crooks, William | Jones, William (Carnarvonsh. | Reddy, M. |
Cullinan, J. | Jordan, Jeremiah | Redmond, John E.(Waterford) |
Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan) | Joyce, Michael | Richards, Thomas |
Delany, William | Kennedy, Vincent P.(Cavan,W | Rickett, J Compton |
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay(Galway | Lambert, George | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs) |
Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.) | Langley, Batty | Roe, Sir Thomas |
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh | Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W. | Russell, T. W. |
Dilke, Rt. Hn. Sir Charles | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) | Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland) |
Dobbie, Joseph | Layland-Barratt, Francis | Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) |
Donelan, Captain A. | Levy, Maurice | Schwann, Charles E. |
Doogan, P. C. | Lewis, John Herbert | Seely, Maj. J.E.B.(Isle of Wight |
Douglas, Chas. M. (Lanark) | Lundon, W. | Shackleton, David James |
Duncan, J. Hastings | Mac Veagh, Jeremiah | Shaw Chas. Edw.(Stafford) |
Edwards, Frank | M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) | Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.) |
Elibank, Master of | M'Crae, George | Sheehy, David |
Ellice, Capt.EC(S.Andrw'sBghs | M'Kenna, Reginald | Shipman, Dr. John G. |
Emmott, Alfred | M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) | Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) |
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan | Mansfield, Horace Rendall | Slack, John Bamford |
Eve, Harry Trelawney | Markham, Arthur Basil | Sloan, Thomas Henry |
Fenwick, Charles | Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh, N. | Smith, Samuel (Flint) |
Field, William | Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen | Spencer, Rt. Hn.CR(Northants |
Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N.Ed | Moulton, John Fletcher | Sullivan, Donal |
Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond | Muldoon, John | Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr |
Flavin, Michael Joseph | Murnaghan, George | Thomson, F. W. (York, W.R.) |
Flynn, James Christopher | Murphy, John | Tomkinson, James |
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co. | Nannetti, Joseph P. | Toulmin, George |
Gilhooly, James | Newnes, Sir George | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
Gladstone, RtHn Herbert John | Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) | Ure, Alexander |
Goddard, Daniel Ford | Norman, Henry | Walton, Joseph (Barnsley) |
Guest, Hn. Ivor Churchill | Nussey, Thomas Willans | Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan |
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid) | Weir, James Galloway |
Hammond, John | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | White, George (Norfolk) |
Harcourt, Lewis | O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W | White, Patrick (Meath, North; |
Hardie, J.Keir (MerthyrTydvil | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) | Whiteley, George (York, W.R.- |
Harrington, Timothy | O'Dowd, John | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer |
Harwood, George | O'Kelly, Conor (Mavo, N. | Wilson, Chas. Henry(Hull, W. |
Helme, Noryal Watson | O'Malley, William | Wilson, Fred W. (Norfolk, Mid |
Hemphill, Rt. Hn. Charles H. | O'Mara, James | Wilson, Henry J. (York. W.R. |
Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. | Woodhouse, SirJT(Huddersf'd |
Higham, John Sharp | Parrott, William | Young, Samuel |
Holland, Sir William Henry | Partington, Oswald | Yoxall, James Henry |
Hope, John Deans (Fife, West | Pease, J. A. (Saffron Waldon) | TELLERS FOR THK AYES—Mr. |
Horniman, Frederick John | Philipps, John Wynford | Cremer and Mr. John |
Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) | Pirie, Duncan V. | Wilson (Durham) |
Issacs, Rufus Daniel | Power, Patrick Joseph | |
Jacoby, James Alfred | Price, Robert John | |
Joicey. Sir James | Priestley, Arthur | |
NOES. | ||
Agg-Gardner, James 'Tynte | Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. | Cautley, Henry Strother |
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel | Bignold, Sir Arthur | Cavendish, V.C.W.(Derbyshire |
Anson, Sir William Reynell | Bigwood, James | Cayzer, Sir Charles William |
Arkwright, John Stanhope | Bill, Charles | Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) |
Arnold-Forster, RtHnHaghO. | Bingham Lord | Chamberlain, RtHnJA (Wore. |
Arrol, Sir William | Blundell, Colonel Henry | Chamberlayne, T.(S'thampton |
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John | Bond, Edward | Chapman, Edward |
Aubrey-Fetcher, Rt. Hn. Sir H | Bousfield, William Robert | Clive, Captain Percy A. |
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy | Bowles, Lt.-Col.HF(Middlesex | Coates, Edward Feetham |
Bailey, James (Walworth) | Brassey, Albert | Cochrane, Hn. Thos. H. A. E. |
Balcarres, Lord | Brodrick, Rt. Hn. St. John | Coghill, Douglas Harry |
Balfour, RtHnA.J (Manch'r | Brotherton, Edward Allen | Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse |
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) | Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropsh. | Coston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole |
Balfour, RtHnGeraldW(Leeds | Brymer, William Ernest | Compton, Lord Alwyne |
Balfour, Kenneth R, (Christch. | Bull, William James | Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas |
Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Burdett-Coutts, W. | Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)- |
Banner, John S. Harmood- | Butcher, John George | Crossley, Rt, Hn. Sir Savile |
Bartley, Sir George C. T. | Carlile, William Walter | Dalkeith, Earl of |
Bentinck, Lord Henry C. | Carson RtHn. Sir Edw. H. | Dalrymple, Sir Charles |
Davenport, William Bromley | Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H | Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col Edward |
Denny, Colonel | Kenyon Hn. Geo. T (Denbigh) | Purvis, Robert |
Dickinson, Robert Edmond | Kerr, John | Randles, John S. |
Dickson, Charles Scott | Keswick, William | Rankin, Sir James |
Doughty, Sir George | Kimber, Sir Henry | Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne |
Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers- | Knowles, Sir Lees | Ratcliff, R. F. |
Doxford, Sir William Theodore | Laurie, Lieut.-General | Reid, James (Greenock) |
Dyke, RtHn. Sir William Hart | Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) | Remnant, Jas. Farquharson |
Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton | Lee, A. H. (Hants, Fareham) | Renwick, George |
Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W. | Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage | Ridley, S. Forde |
Faber, George Denison (York | Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S | Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) |
Fardell, Sir T. George | Liddell, Henry | Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) |
Fellowes, Rt Hn Ailwyn Edw. | Llewellyn, Evan Henry | Rolleston, Sir John F. L. |
Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J(Man'r | Lock wood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. | Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye |
Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst | Long, Col. Chap. W. (Evesham | Ropner, Colonol Sir Robert |
Finch, Rt. Hn. George H. | Long, RtHnWalter (Bristol.S.) | Round, Rt. Hon. James |
Finlay, RtHnSirR. R(Inv'm'ss) | Lonsdale, John Brownlee | Royds, Clement Molyneux |
Fisher, William Hayes | Loyd, Archie Kirkman | Rutherford, John (Lancashire) |
Fison, Frederick William | Lucas, Col Francis (Lowestoft) | Rutherford, W.W.(Liverpool) |
Fitzroy, Hn. Edward Algernon | Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsm'th | Sackville, Col. S.G. Stopford |
Flannery, Sir Fortescue | Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred | Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander |
Flower, Sir Ernest | Macdona, John Cutnming | Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert |
Forster, Henry William | MacIver, David (Liverpool) | Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W. |
Galloway, William Johnson J | Maconochie, A. W. | Sharpe, William Edward T. |
Gardner, Ernest | M'Arthur, Chas. (Liverpool) | Smith, H.C(North'mb, Tyneside |
Gibbs, Hon. A.G. H. | M'Iver, SirLewis(Edinburgh, W | Smith, Hn. W. F. D. (Strand) |
Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk. | M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire | Stanley, Rt. Hn. Lord (Lanes. |
Gordon, Maj. Evans(T'rH'mlets | Malcolm, Ian | Stone, Sir Benjamin |
Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby | Marks, Harry Hananel | Stroyan, John |
Goschen, Hn. George Joachim | Martin, Richard Biddulph | Strutt, Hn. Charles Hedley |
Goulding, Edward Alfred | Maxwell, Rt KnSirH.E(Wigt'n | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) |
Graham, Henry Robert | Maxwell, W.JH (Dumfriesshire | Tollemache, Henry James |
Gray, Ernest (West Ham) | Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M. | Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M. |
Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs) | Middlemore, J. Throgmorton | Tuff, Charles |
Grenfell, William Henry | Milner, Rt. Hn, Sir Frederick G. | Tuke, Sir John Batty |
Groves, James Grimble | Milvain, Thomas | Turnonr, Viscount |
Guthrie, Walter Murray | Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow) | Vincent, Col. SirC.EH(Sheffield |
Hambro, Charles Eric | Morpeth, Viscount | Walrond, Rt. Hn.Sir WilliamH |
Hamilton, Marq. Of(L'nd'nderry | Morrell, George Herbert | Welby, LtColAC. E.(Taunton) |
Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford) | Morrison, James Archibald | Welby, Sir Charles G.E(Notts) |
Haslam, Sir Alfred S. | Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer | Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon- |
Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley | Mount, William Arthur | Whiteley, H. (Ashtonund Lyne |
Heath, SirJas. (Staffords, N.W. | Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. | Whitmore, Charles Algernon |
Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W | Murray, Chas. J. (Coventry) | Willoughby de Eresby, Lord |
Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. | Myers, William Henry | Wilson, John (Glasgow) |
Hoare, Sir Samuel | Nicholson, William Graham | Wilson-Todd, SirW.H(Yorks) |
Hogg, Lindsay | O'Neill, Hn. Robert Torrens | Wodehouse, Rt.Hn.E.R(Bath) |
Hope, J.F.(Sheffield,Brightside | Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury) | Wolff. Gustav Wilhelm |
Hoult, Joseph | Pease, Herb. Pike (Darlington | Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson |
Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil | Peel, Hn. Wm. Robt. Wellesley | Wortle'y, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart |
Hudson, George Bickersteth | Pemberton, John S. | TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Sir |
Hunt, Rowland | Percy, Earl | Alexander Acland-Hood and |
Jameson, Major J. Eustace | Pilkington, Colonel Richard | Viscount Valentia. |
Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse | Platt-Higgins, Frederick | |
Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred | Pretyman, Ernest George | |
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas | Hermon-Hodge Sir Robert T. |
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel | Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) | Hoare, Sir Samuel |
Anson, Sir William Reynell | Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Hogg, Lindsay |
Arkwright, John Stanhope | Crossley, Rt. Hn. Sir Savile | Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside |
Arnold-Forster, Rt. Hn. H. O. | Dalkeith, Earl of | Hoult, Joseph |
Arroll, Sir William | Dalrymple, Sir Charles | Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham) |
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John | Davenport, William Bromley | Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil |
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn.SirH. | Denny, Colonel | Hudson, George Bickersteth |
Bagot, Capt Josceline FitzRoy | Dickinson, Robert Edmond | Hunt, Rowland |
Bailey, James (Walworth) | Dickson, Charles Scott | Jameson, Major J. Eustace |
Balcarres, Lord | Doughty, Sir George | Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse |
Balfour, Rt.Hn.A.J. (Manch'r) | Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers | Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred |
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) | Doxford, Sir William Theodore | Jessel, Captain Herb. Merton |
Balfour, Rt. Hn. Gerald(Leeds | Duke Henry Edward | Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H. |
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. | Dyke, Rt.Hn.Sir William Hart | Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T. (Denbigh) |
Banbury, Sir Fredrk. George | Egerton, Hn. A. de Tatton | Kerr, John |
Banner, John S. Harmood- | Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.) | Keswick, William |
Bartley, Sir George C. T. | Faber, George Denison (York) | Kimber, Sir Henry |
Bentinck, Lord Henry C. | Fardell, Sir T. George | Knowles, Sir Lees |
Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. | Fellowes, Rt Hn Ailwyn Edward | Lambton, Hn. Fredk. Win. |
Bignold, Sir Arthur | Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J(Manc'r) | Laurie, Lieut.-General |
Bigwood, James | Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst | Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) |
Bill, Charles | Finch, Kt. Hn. George H. | Lawson, Hn. H.L.W.(Mile End |
Bingham, Lord | Finlay, Rt.Hn.SirR. B(Inv'ru'ss | Lee, Arthur H. (Hants, Fareham |
Blundell, Colonel Henry | Fisher, William Hayes | Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) |
Bousfield, William Robert | Fison, Frederick William | Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage. |
Bowles, Lt.-Col.H.F.(Middlesox | Fitzroy, Hn. Edward Algernon | leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S. |
Brassey, Albert | Flannery, Sir Forteseue | Liddell, Henry |
Brodrick, Rt, Hon. St. John | Flower, Sir Ernest | Llewellyn, Evan Henry |
Brotherton, Edward Allen | Forster, Henry William | Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. |
Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropsh.) | Galloway, William Johnson | Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham) |
Brymer, William Eruese: | Gardner, Ernest | Long, Rt.Hn.Walter (Bristol. S. |
Bull, William James | Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H. | Lousdale, John Brownlee |
Burdett-Coutts, W. | Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk. | Lowe, Francis William |
Butcher, John George | Gordon, Maj Evans(TrHamlets | Loyd, Archie Kirkman |
Carlile, William Walter | Gore, Hn. S. F. Ormsby | Lucas, Col. Francis(Lowestoft) |
Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H. | Goschen, Hn. George Joachim | Lucas, Reginald J.(Portsmouth |
Cautley, Henry Strother | Goulding, Edward Alfred | Lyttelton, Rt. Hn. Alfred |
Cavendish, V. C. W.(Derbysh.) | Graham, Henry Robert | Macdona, John Cumming |
Cayzer, Sir Charles William | Gray, Ernest (West Ham) | MacIver, David (Liverpool) |
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Gronfell, William Henry | Maconochie, A. W. |
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich | Groves, James Grimble | M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) |
Chamberlain, Rt.Hn.J. (Birm. | Guthrie, Walter Murray | M'Iver, Sir Lewis (Edinburgh W. |
Chamberlain, Rt.Hn.JA(Wore. | Hall, Edward Marshall | M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire |
Chamberlayne, T. (S'thampton | Halsey, Rt. Hn. Thomas F. | Malcolm, Ian |
Chapman, Edward | Hambro, Charles Erie | Manners, Lord Cecil |
Clive, Captain Perey A. | Hamilton Manq. of(L'nd'nderry | Marks, Harry Hananel |
Coates, Edward Feetham | Hardy L. (Kent, Ashford) | Martin, Richard Biddulph |
Cochrane, Hn. Thos. H. A. E. | Haslam, Sir Alfred S. | Maxwell, Rt.Hn SirHE(Wigt'n) |
Coghill, Douglas Harry | Hay,Hn. Claude George | Maxwell, W.J.H(Dumfriesshire |
Callings, Rt. Hn. Jesse | Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley | Melville, Beresford Valentine |
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole | Heath, Sir Jas. (Staffords, N. W | Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M. |
Compton, Lord Alwyne | Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W. | Middlemore, J. Throgmorton |
Milner, Rt. Hn.Sir Frederick G. | Ratcliff, R. F. | Talbot, Lord E, (Chichester) |
Milvain, Thomas | Reid, James (Greenock) | Thornton, Percy M. |
Mitchell, Ed. (Fermanagh. N.) | Remnant, James Farquharson | Tollemache, Henry James |
Molesworth, Sir Lewis | Renwick, George | Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M. |
Moon, Edward Robert Pacy | Ridley, S. Forde | Tuff, Charles |
Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow) | Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) | Tuke, Sir John Batty |
Morpeth, Viscount | Robertson, Herbert(Hackney) | Turnour Viscount |
Morrell, George Herbert | Rolleston, Sir John F. L. | Vincent, Col Sir C EH(Sheffield) |
Morrison, James Archibald | Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye | Walrond, Rt.Hn.Sir William H |
Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer | Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert | Warde, Colonel C.E. |
Mount, William Arthur | Round, Rt. Hn. James | Welby, Lt.-CoIA C E (Taunton) |
Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. | Royds, Clement Molyneux | Welby, Sir Chas. G.E. (Notts.) |
Murray, Chas. J. (Coventry) | Rutherford, John (Lancashire) | Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon |
Myers, William Henry | Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) | Whiteley, H. (AshtonundLyne) |
Nicholson, William Graham | Sackville, Col. S. G. (Stopford) | Whitmore, Charles Algernon |
O'Neill, Hn. Robert Torrens | Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander | Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset) |
Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury) | Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert | Willoughby de Eresby, Lord |
Pease, Herb. Pike (Darlington) | Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) | Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R. |
Peel, Hn. Wm. Robt. Wellesley | Sharpe, William Edward T. | Wilson. John (Glasgow) |
Pemberton, John S. G. | Skewes-Cox, Thomas | Wilson Todd, Sir W.H(Yorks.) |
Percy, Earl | Sloan, Thomas Henry | Wodehouse, Rt.Hn.E.R(Bath) |
Pierpoint, Robert | Smith, H.C(North'mb,Tyneside | Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm |
Pilkington, Colonel Richard | Smith, RtHnJParker(Lanarks | Worsley-Taylor, Henry W. |
Platt-Higgins, Frederick | Spear, John Ward | Wortley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart |
Pretyman, Ernest George | Stanley, Rt. Hn. Lord (Lanes.) | Wrightson, Sir Thomas |
Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward | Steward, Sir M. J. M'Taggart | TELLERS TOR THE AYES.—Sir |
Purvis, Robert | Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M. | Alexander Acland-Hood |
Randles, John S. | Stone, Sir Benjamin | and Viscount Valontia. |
Rankin, Sir James | Stroyan, Jobn | |
Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne | Strutt, Hn. Charles Hedley | |
NOES. | ||
Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N.K.) | Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny- N) | Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) |
Allen, Charles P. | Dewar, John A (Inverness-sh.) | Isaacs, Rufus Daniel |
Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herb. Henry | Dilke, Ht. Hn. Sir Charles | Jacoby, James Alfred |
Atherley-Jones, L. | Dobbie, Joseph | Joicey, Sir James |
Baker, Joseph Allen | Donelan, Captain A. | Jones, David B. (Swansea) |
Doogan, P. C. | ||
Barlow, John Emmott | Douglas, Chas. M. (Lanark) | Jones, William (Carnarvonsh-) |
Beaumont, Wentworth C. B. | Duncan, J. Hastings | Jordan, Jeremiah |
Bell, Richard | Edwards, Frank | Joyce, Michael |
Benn, John Williams | Elibank, Master of | Kennedy, V. P. (Cavan, W.) |
Black, Alexander William | Ellice, Capt E C (SAndrw'sBghs | Lambert, George |
Boland, John | Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) | Langley, Batty |
Bolton, Thomas Dolling | Eve, Harry Trelawney | Law, Hugh Alex(Donegal, W.) |
Bond, Edward | Fenwick, Charles | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) |
Brigs, John | Field, William | Lay land-Barratt, Francis |
Bright, Allan Heywood | Findlay, Alexander(Lanark NE | Leigh, Sir Joseph |
Broadhurst, Henry | Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond | Levy, Maurice |
Brown, George M. (Edinburgh | Flavin, Michael Joseph | Lewis, John Herbert |
Bryce, Rt. Hn. James | Flynn. James Christopber | Lough, Thomas |
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn | Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) | Lundon, W. |
Burke, E. Haviland | Fuller, J. M. F. | MacVeagh, Jeremiah |
Burl, Thomas | Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herb. John | M'Arthur Wm. (Cornwall) |
Buxton, N.E.(York, NRWhitby | Goddard, Daniel Ford | M'Crae, George |
Caldwell, James | Guest, Hn. Ivor Churchill | M'Kean, John |
Cameron, Robert | Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) |
Causton, Richard Knight | Haldane, Rt. Hn. Richard B. | M'Laren, Sir Chas. Benjamin |
Cawley, Frederick | Hammond, John | Mansfield, Horace Rendall |
Channing, Francis Allston | Harcourt, Lewis | Markham, Arthur Basil |
Cheetham, John Frederick | Hardie, J.Keir{MerthyrTydvil | Morgan, J. Lloyd(Carmarthen) |
Clancy, John Joseph | Harwood, George | Moulton, John Fletcher |
Condon, Thomas Joseph | Hayden, John Patrick | Muldoon, John |
Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark | Helme, Norval Watson | Murnaghan, George |
Cremer, William Randal | Hemphill, Rt. Hn. Charles H. | Murphy, John |
Crombie, John William | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Nannetti, Joseph P. |
Crooks, William | Higham, John Sharp | Newnes, Sir George |
Cullinan, J. | Holland, Sir William Henry | Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) |
Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan) | Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) | Norman, Henry |
Delaey, William | Horniman, Frederick John | Nussey, Thomas Willans |
Devlin, Chas.Ramsay(Galway) | O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid.) | |
O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Rickett, J. Compton | Tomkinson, James |
O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs) | Toulmin. (George |
O'Connor, James(Wicklow, W.) | Roe, Sir Thomas | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
O'Connor, John (Kildare, N) | Russell, T. W. | Waldron, Laurence Ambrose |
O'Dowd, John | Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland) | Walton, Joseph (Barnsley) |
0'Melly, Conor (Mayo, N.) | Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) | Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan |
O'Malley, William | Schwann, Charles E. | Wason, J. Catheart (Orkney) |
O'Mara, James | Seely, Maj JEB (Isle of Wight) | Weir, James Galloway |
O'Shaughnessy, P. J. | Shackleton, David James | White, George (Norfolk |
Parrott, William | Shaw, Chas. Edw. (Stafford) | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
Partington, Oswald | Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.) | Whiteley, George(York, W.R.) |
Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) | Sheehy, David | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer |
Philipps, John Wynford | Shipman, Dr. John G. | Wilson, Chas Henry (Hull, W.) |
Pirie, Duncan V. | Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) | Wilson. Fred W. (Norfolk, Mid |
Power, Patrick Joseph | Slack, John Bamford | Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R. |
Price, Robert John | Smith Samuel (Flint) | Wilson, John (Durham, Mid. |
Priestley, Arthur | Spencer. Rt Hn_C R(Northants) | Woodhouse, Sir J T(Huddersf'd |
Rea, Russell | Stanhope, Hon. Philip James | Young, Samuel |
Reckitt, Harold James | Sullivan, Donal | Yoxall, James Henry |
Ruddy, M. | Tennant, Harold John | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. |
Redmond, John E.(Waterford) | Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr | Leif Jones and Mr. Emmott |
Richards, Thomas | Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.) |
Bill read the third time, and passed.
§ And, it being after Eleven of the clock, Mr. SPEAKER proceeded, in pursuance of the Order of the House of July 5th, to put forthwith the Question on any Amendments moved by the Government of which notice had been given.
§
Amendment proposed to the Bill—
In page 7, line 29, after the word 'Act,' to insert the words 'on an appeal to an immigration board.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglatt.)
§
Amendment proposed to the Bill—
In page 7, line 33, after the word 'character,' to insert the words 'or whether a crime is an extradition crime.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akern-Douglas.)
§
Amendment proposed to the Bill—
In page 7, line 34, to leave out the words from the first 'State,' to the end of line 35, and insert the words 'in accordance with rules made under this Act, and the Board shall aut in accordance with his decision.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)
§ Bill to be read the third time Tomorrow, and to be printed. [Bill 277.]