Commons Sitting of 11 July 1905

Preamble
The House met at Two of the Clock.

COMMISSION.
Message to attend the Lords Commissioners;
The House went;—and, being returned;—Mr. SPEAKER reported the Royal Assent to a number of Bills (See page 213).

PRIVATE BILL BUSINESS.

  PRIVATE BILLS [LORDS] (STANDING ORDERS NOT PREVIOUSLY INQUIRED INTO COMPLIED WITH).
  Mr. SPEAKERlaid upon the Table Report from one of the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills, That, in the case of the following Bill, originating in the Lords, and referred on the First Reading thereof, the Standing Orders not previously inquired into, and which are applicable thereto, have been complied with, viz.:—Rhymney and Aber Valley Gas and Water Company Bill [Lords].
  Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time.
  Gosport and Fareham Tramways Bill [Lords]; Metropolitan and Great Central Railway Companies Bill [Lords]; Western Valleys (Monmouthshire) Water and Gas Bill [Lords]. As amended, considered; to be read the third time.
  Education Board Provisional Order Confirmation (London, No. 1) Bill [Lords]; Electric Lighting Provisional Orders (No. 8) Bill [Lords], Read a second time, and committed—

  STANDING ORDERS.
  Resolutions reported from the Select Committee—
  1.That, in the case of the South Barracas (Buenos Ayres) Gas and Coke Company Bill [Lords], the Standing Orders ought to be dispensed with. That the parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill."
  2. "That, in the case of the Dover Harbour Bill [Lords], the Standing Orders ought to be dispensed with. That the parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill."
  Resolutions agreed to.
  Littlehampton Urban District Council Bill [Lords], Reported, with Amendments; Report to lie upon the Table, and to be printed.
  Local Government Provisional Orders (No. 12) Bill. Reported, with Amendments [Provisional Order relating to the

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  Counties of Essex and Hertford not confirmed; Remaining Orders confirmed] [Title amended]; Report to lie upon the Table.
  Bill, as amended, to be considered To-morrow.

  PRIVATE BILLS (GROUP J).
  Colonel WELBYreported from the Committee on Group J of Private Bills; That the parties promoting the Local Government (Ireland) Provisional Orders (No. 2) (Belfast, Castlereagh, and Holywood Order) Bill had stated that the evidence of W. Redfern Kelly, Engineer to the Belfast Harbour Commissioners, was essential to their case; and it having been proved that his attendance could not be procured without the intervention of the House, he had been instructed to move that the said W. Redfern Kelly do attend the said Committee on Thursday, at half-past Eleven of the clock.
  Ordered, That W. Redfern Kelly do attend the Committee on Group J of Private Bills on Thursday, at half-past Eleven of the clock.

  RAILWAY BILLS (GROUP 8).
  Mr. ASHTONreported from the Committee on Group 8 of Railway Bills; That, for the convenience of parties, the Committee had adjourned until Thursday, at half-past Eleven of the clock.
  Report to lie upon the Table.

  PRIVATE BILLS (GROUP E).
  Sir HENRY AUBKEY-FLETCHERreported from the Committee on Group E of Private Bills; That, for the convenience of parties, the Committee had adjourned till Friday, at Eleven of the clock.
  Report to lie upon the Table.

  MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.
  That they have agreed to—Woolwich Borough Council Bill; Great Western Railway (Additional Powers) Bill; Andover Lighting and Power Bill, with Amendments.
  That they have passed a Bill, intituled, "An Act to confirm certain Provisional Orders made by the Board of Trade under the Electric Lighting Acts, 1882 and 1888, relating to Brentford, Croydon (Rural), Durham Districts, Eastbourne (Willingdon Extension), Gravesend (Extension, to Northfleet), Kingsbury, Old Windsor, and Wimborne and District." [Electric Lighting Provisional Orders (No. 9) Bill [Lords].
  And, also, a Bill, intituled, "An Act to confer further powers on the Metropolitan Electric Supply Company, Limited, with respect to electrical energy; and for other purposes," [Metropolitan Electric Supply Company (Various Powers) Bill [Lords].
  Metropolitan Electric Supply Company (Various Powers) Bill [Lords]. Read the first time; and referred to the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills.
  Electric Lighting Provisional Orders (No. 9) Bill [Lords]. Read the first time; referred to the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills, and to be printed. [Bill 268.]

  PETITIONS,
    LOCAL AUTHORITIES (TAXATION AND PURCHASE OF LAND) BILL.
    Petition from Islington, in favour; to lie upon the Table.
    SINGH, MAHARAJAH MADHO.
    Petition from Pannah State, for inquiry into his case; to lie upon the Table.
    TUBERCULOSIS (ANIMALS) PREVENTION AND COMPENSATION BILL.
    Petition from Newcastle-upon-Tyne, against; to lie upon the Table.
    UNEMPLOYED WORKMEN BILL.
    Petitions for alteration; from Maidstone; and Wandsworth; to lie upon the Table.
  RETURNS, REPORTS, ETC.
    PRISONS (SCOTLAND).
    Paper [presented 10th July]; to be printed. [No. 237.]
    ARMY (VOLUNTEER CORPS).
    Copy presented, of Annual Return of the Volunteer Corps f Great Britain for the year 1904 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
    ARMY (VOLUNTEERS).
    Copy presented, of Circular Letter addressed to General Officers Commanding in Chief, in substitution for the Circular Letter of 20th June, 1905 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
    ROYAL COLLEGE OF SOIENCE (DEPARTMENTAL COMMITTEE).
    Copy presented, of Preliminary Report of the Departmental Committee on the Royal College of Science (including the Royal School of Mines), and Questions connected therewith [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
    PAPER LAID UPON THE TABLE BY THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE.
    Divorce and Matrimonial Causes (Rule). Copy of Draft Additional Rule in Divorce and Matrimonial Causes under The Rules Publication Act, 1893 [by Act].
  QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS CIRCULATED WITH THE VOTES.

    The "Kew Bulletin."
    MR. BOLAND: To ask the President of the Board of Agriculture whether, pending a decision as to the renewed publication of the Kew Bulletin, steps will be taken to complete the volume for 1901, which is still incomplete, in view of the quantity of unpublished matter which had been prepared for the Bulletin.
    MR. BOLAND: To ask the President of the Board of Agriculture if he can explain why the alleged increasing demands upon the scientific staff have been held to justify the discontinuance of the Kew Bulletin, seeing that the present director, in his evidence before the Committee of Botanical Work, spoke of the Bulletin having become a continuous record of Kew work in all its aspects; and whether, in view of the fact that information formerly given in the appendices is still published year by year, it is proposed to continue the issue of appendices to volumes which have no existence.
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    (Answered by Mr. Ailwyn Fellowes.) The issue of the Kew Bulletin as a separate publication is not of the same importance as was formerly the case, inasmuch as some of the most important articles from an economic point of view are now printed in the Journal and leaflets issued by the Board of Agriculture. The information given in the appendices to which the hon. Member refers has a value quite independent of the Bulletin itself, and, whatever may be the decision arrived at with regard to further issues of that publication, it will doubtless be of advantage that that information should be made available for the use of the public in one form or another. I shall be glad to consider the hon. Member's suggestion as to the completion of the volume for 1901 in connection with the further investigation of the matter which I have undertaken to make.

    Report of Scottish Agricultural Commission.
    MR. CATHCART WASON: To ask the President of the Board of Agriculture whether, in view of the condition of British agriculture, the scarcity of employment, and the necessity for diffusion of knowledge among all classes, he will cause to be distributed among the various agricultural associations of Great Britain the Report of the Scottish Agricultural Commission of 1904.
    (Answered by Mr. Ailwyn Fellowes.) The Report in question is of considerable interest, and I propose to have it carefully examined with a view to ascertain whether it will enable us to supplement in any way the full information as to agricultural conditions and methods in Denmark which has from time to time been published both by the Irish Department of Agriculture and ourselves. The Report has, however, no official character, and I should scarcely be justified, therefore, in purchasing copies at the public expense for distribution in the manner suggested. It is, moreover, published at a price which should bring it within reach of all concerned.

    Admiralty Orders for Armour Plate.
    MR J. F. HOPE: To ask the Secretary to the

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    Admiralty whether he can say when further orders for armour plate for the needs of the Admiralty are likely to be issued.
    (Answered by Mr. Pretyman.) A contract for a small quantity of armour is being placed during the present week. Contracts for further quantities will, it is expected, be placed by the end of the month.

    Wireless Telegraphy in the Navy.
    SIR THOMAS DEWAR (Tower Hamlets, St. George's): To ask the Secretary to the Admiralty if he will state to what extent the system of wireless telegraphy has now been applied to His Majesty's Fleet.
    (Answered by Mr. Pretyman.) The system of wireless telegraphy has been applied generally to all battleships and cruisers and certain special craft.

    Age Limit for Major-Generals, Royal Marines.
    MR. REGINALD LUCAS: To ask the Secretary to the Admiralty whether it is proposed to reconsider the age limit for major-generals, Royal Marines, who at present do not retire until the age of sixty-five, whereas, in the executive and other branches of the Royal Navy, officers of corresponding rank retire at sixty years of age, or earlier if unemployed for periods varying from three to five years.
    (Answered by Mr. Pretyman.) It is not proposed to make a change in the manner suggested. The regulations governing the service and retirement of officers of the Royal Marines are not based on the same general principles as those applied to officers of the Navy.

    Swine Fever.
    MR. A. K. LOYD: To ask the President of the Board of Agriculture whether the progressive decrease of outbreaks of swine fever shown in each quarter of 1904, as compared with the corresponding quarter of 1903, was continued in the first two quarters of 1905, as compared respectively with the first two quarters of 1904.
    (Answered by Mr. Ailwyn Fellowes.) I am glad to say that the decrease in the number of outbreaks of swine fever in
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    1904 as compared with 1903 has been more than maintained this year, as will be seen from the following table:—

    Period.

    1905.

    1904.

    1903.

    1st Quarter

    155

    320

    353

    2nd Quarter

    267

    478

    526

    3rd Quarter

    —

    240

    306

    4th Quarter

    —

    158

    293

    Total for the Year.

    —

    1,196

    1,478

    The number of outbreaks during the first six months of the current year has been 422 as compared with 798 in the corresponding period of 1904, a decrease of 47 per cent.

    Report on Causes and Symptoms of Swine Fever.
    MR. A. K. LOYD: To ask the President of the Board of Agriculture whether the Report of the further inquiry, instituted by the late Mr. Hanbury, on the causes and symptoms of swine fever has been issued; and, if not, when its issue may be expected.
    (Answered by Mr. Ailwyn Fellowes.) The investigations to which the hon. Member refers are complete, and Reports thereon are now in course of preparation. They are expected to be available early in September.

    Suggested Issue of Monthly Reports on Trade of Foreign Countries.
    SIR SAMUEL SCOTT: To ask the Undersecretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he is aware that a daily Consular Report upon the trade of foreign countries is issued in the United States of America, and that weekly Reports are issued by the Department of Trade and Commerce of Canada; and whether, in view of the inconvenience caused to commercial men in this country owing to being unable to obtain the Reports of British Consuls on the trade of foreign countries until they are often useless, he will consider the advisability of instructing British Consuls to forward

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    short monthly Reports on the trade of the countries to which they are credited.
    (Answered by Earl Percy.) I am aware of the Reports referred to. The weekly Board of Trade journal includes a large amount of commercial information, based on Reports specially supplied by British Consuls, who have been required since 1886 to send home short notes suitable for this purpose. Where even more immediate publication is desirable, in the interests of British trade, the Board of Trade make a practice of sending notices to the Press. The annual Consular Reports, whether of this country or of the United States, cannot of course be prepared until the necessary statistics are available, and are mainly reviews of the trade of the year.

    British and Foreign Troops in Crete.
    MR. LAMBERT (Devonshire, South Molton): To ask the Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what are the numbers of British and international troops respectively occupying Crete; under whose command are these troops; for what purpose are they there; and how long will they remain.
    (Answered by Earl Percy.) The number of British troops in the island is 923, of French 480, who are about to receive a reinforcement of 200, of Italian 290, and of Russian 630, exclusive of 320 troops who are on their way. The British troops are under the command of the senior British officer, who acts with the advice of His Majesty's Consul-General. Should the troops be engaged in joint operations with the Foreign contingents the senior officer present, irrespective of nationality, will assume command. The international troops are maintained in Crete for the purpose of enabling the protecting Powers properly to fulfil the obligations assumed by them at the time when their intervention secured the autonomy of the island, and the withdrawal of the Turkish troops.

    Finding of Gold Ornaments in Ireland.
    SIR THOMAS ESMONDB: To ask the Secretary to the Treasury if the Treasury have received any information as to the finding of certain gold ornaments in Ireland recently; and, if not, if inquiry will be made into the matter.
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    (Answered by Mr. Victor Cavendish.) No report has been received as to the finding of any gold ornaments in Ireland recently. If the hon. Baronet will be good enough to mention the locality of the alleged discovery, inquiries will be made.

    Publication of Manuscripts of Irish Franciscans.
    SIR THOMAS ESMONDE: To ask the Secretary to the Treasury when the manuscripts of the Irish Franciscans will be published by the Historical Manuscripts Commission.
    (Answered by Mr. Victor Cavendish.) I am informed that the printing of the manuscripts is well in hand.

    Education of Labourers in India.
    MR. SCHWANN: To ask the Secretary of State for India, with reference to the correspondence which has passed between him and the Indian Government on the subject of education of labourers generally in India, and in particular on plantations, whether he has now received the further Reports promised by the Assam and Bengal Governments in 1904; and, if so, will he make them public.
    (Answered by Mr. Secretary Brodrick.) I have received a reply from the Government of Bengal, which I shall be glad to communicate to the hon. Member. The Chief Commissioner of Assam thinks it advisable to defer dealing with the subject for another year, and will report later on.

    The King-Harman Estate.
    MR. TULLY: To ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland whether the Estates Commissioners can state the total amount offered by them to the vendor of the King-Harman Estate and accepted for the rural portion of the estate, and the amount of the bonus on same; and whether they can state the total amount asked by the vendor and the total amount offered by them for the town portion of the estate, and the amount of the bonus on same.
    (Answered by Mr. Walter Long.) The amount of the purchase money of the rural portion of this estate, the purchase of

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    which has been completed, is £391,521. The Commissioners have agreed to purchase a portion of the town holdings in actual possession of tenants for £15,835. The bonus in each case amounts to 12 per cent, of the purchase money. I must decline to give information as to negotiations which have not been completed.

    Destruction of Ancient Monument on the King-Harman Estate.
    MR. TULLY: To ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland whether the Estates Commissioners can state which of their inspectors reported as to the destruction of the ancient monument recently by malicious injury on the King-Harman Estate; what was the nature of his report, and how long after the injury was his inspection made; and what steps have the Estates Commissioners taken to have the monument repaired and the present defacements removed from it.
    (Answered by Mr. Walter Long.) The Commissioners have instructed one of their surveyors, who is an architect, to report upon this matter, but his report has not yet been received.

    Completion of Works at Poulduff Pier, County Wexford.
    SIR THOMAS ESMONDE: To ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland when the work at Poulduff Pier, county Wexford, will be
    (Answered by Mr. Walter Long.) The legal formalities in connection with the contract for this work have not yet been completed, but the matter is being pressed forward.

    Appointment of Resident Manager of Lislea No 1 National School.
    MR. LONSDALE: To ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland whether the Commissioners of National Education are now in a position to appoint a resident manager of the Lislea No. 1 National School, county Armagh, in accordance with the declared wishes of the parents of children attending the school.
    (Answered by Mr. *Walter Long.) A clerical successor has not yet been appointed to the Rev. Mr. Ingram, the
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    former manager. Pending such an appointment the Rev. Mr. Sampson continues to act as manager.

    Army Recruiting.
    MR. LAMBERT: To ask the Secretary of State for War what steps have been taken with regard to recruiting for the short-service and general-service Army respectively; and, if no steps have been taken, will he state when it is proposed to commence recruiting for these two classes of service.
    (Answered by Mr. Secretary Arnold-Forster.) The figures given in reply to a Question put to-day by the hon. Member for the Thanet Division of Kent will explain the results of the introduction of the nine years enlistment scheme. The commencement of short-service recruiting must depend upon the progress made in recruiting for general service, but, in view of the figures which I have given to the House to-day, I am hopeful that the date for opening short-service recruiting may be reached within the present year.

    Militia Battalions and the Short-Service Army.
    MR. LAMBERT: To ask the Secretary of State for War whether any Militia battalions have given their consent to being merged in the short-service Army; and whether it is proposed to proceed with that scheme without a direct sanction from Parliament.
    (Answered by Mr. Secretary Arnold-Forster.) No request of the kind referred to in the Question has been made to Militia battalions, nor has it ever been contemplated that Militia battalions should be merged, but that they should continue to exist under somewhat changed conditions of service. No such change can be made without the consent of officers and men serving, and the consent of Parliament will not be required in the event of any such change being made. It is not intended at present to give this opportunity to the Militia.

    Army Recruiting—Long and Short Service.
    MR. MARKS: To ask the Secretary of State for War if he will state what results have been obtained by recruiting on the nine years term of enlistment for the general-service

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    Army since the introduction of that system in October last, stating the figures month by month, and showing how they compare with the results obtained for

    For 12 Years.

    For 3 Years.

    For 9 Years.

    Total.

    October, 1903

    104

    3,119

    —

    3,223

    November, 1905

    106

    2,638

    —

    2,744

    December, 1903

    67

    2,207

    —

    2,274

    January, 1904

    89

    3,698

    —

    3,787

    February, 1904

    87

    2,798

    —

    2,885

    March, 1904

    86

    2,360

    —

    2,446

    April, 1904

    51

    1,986

    —

    2,037

    May, 1904

    58

    1,325

    —

    1,383

    June, 1904

    57

    1,702

    —

    1,759

    705

    21,833

    —

    22,538

    For 12 years.

    For 3 years.

    For 9 years.

    Total.

    October, 1904

    129

    1,940

    386

    2,455

    November, 1904

    67

    5

    2,337

    2,409

    December, 1904

    79

    —

    2,182

    2,261

    January, 1905

    76

    —

    2,852

    2,928

    February, 1905

    79

    1

    1,959

    2,039

    March, 1905

    102

    —

    1,646

    1,748

    April, 1905

    73

    —

    835

    908

    May, 1905

    48

    —

    926

    974

    June, 1905

    43

    —

    1,088

    1,131

    696

    1,946

    14,211

    16,853

    NOTE.—Cavalry recruiting closed until January, 1905. Royal Army Medical
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    the corresponding months of the previous year.
    (Answered by Mr. Secretary Arnold-Forster.) The figures are as follows:—
    Corps closed in 1903, opened in London, 20th May, 1904. Army Ordnance Corps

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    only open to headquarters since 1902. Army Service Corps open to drivers. October, 1904, and artificers; otherwise only open to mechanical transport. Royal Artillery—Horse and Field practically closed in 1903; reopened about December, 1904. Royal Garrison Artillery—Generally opened July, 1904. Royal Engineers—Opened in certain districts for drivers in February, 1904, and generally for drivers in all districts April, 1904, and again shut 10th September, 1904. Sappers of certain trades opened in April, 1905. Drivers reopened 1st May, 1905, generally.

    Total Nos. of 7, 8, and 9 years men at home, 1–6–05.

    India and Tropical Colonies.

    Other Colonies.

    Drafts required.

    No. of 7, 8, and 9 years men available.

    Surplus or wanting.

    Drafts required.

    No. of 7. 8, and 9 years men available.

    Surplus or wanting.

    Cavalry

    6,398

    262

    1,100

    +938

    215

    1,170

    +965

    Artillery—

    Horse

    983

    215

    476

    +261

    24

    445

    +421

    Field

    5,086

    871

    2,432

    +1,561

    416

    2,200

    +1,774

    Garrison

    2,595

    1,084

    1,325

    -241

    1,033

    1,270

    +237

    Infantry

    17,495

    11,826

    8,052

    -3,774

    4,599

    3,900

    -699

    The present total strength, rank and file, at home and abroad, is 227,971. As regards the last part of the Question, it is hoped that the recruiting for nine years will have sufficiently advanced to enable the introduction of the new short-service system towards the close of the year.

    Army—Vacancies for Officers in Cavalry and Guards.
    MR. MARKS: To ask the Secretary of State for War what are the total number of vacancies for officers in the various cavalry regiments and in His Majesty's Guards.
    (Answered by Mr. Secretary Arnold-Forster.) The vacancies on 8th. July were as follows:—

    Household Cavalry

    2

    Cavalry of the Line

    64

    Foot Guards

    28

    Army—Long-Term Men available for Indian and Foreign Drafts.
    MR. MARKS: To ask the Secretary of State for War if lie will state what numbers of long-term men are available for the Indian and foreign drafts this autumn; what is the present total strength; and when recruiting for the home-service Army on the three years term is to be introduced.
    (Answered by Mr. Secretary Arnold-Forster.) The figures for the drafts for 1905–6 are as follows:—

    QUESTIONS IN THE HOUSE.

      Flogging of Boys in the Navy.
      MR. HUNT: I beg to ask the Secretary to the Admiralty whether, in view of the statements of the ill-treatment of boys on the training ship "Boscawen," submitted to him a few days ago, which statements were signed by the boy who was bought out of the Navy on account of such treatment, he will have the regulations so altered that corporals of training ships shall no longer be allowed to use or carry canes, and that no other corporal punishment shall be inflicted on boys except that of not more than twelve strokes with the birch, such birch to be constructed practically the same as those used in public schools, and that only one man shall be employed to flog one boy.
      THE SECRETARY TO THE ADMIRALTY (Mr. PRETYMAN, Suffolk, Woodbridge): As this statement refers to irregularities which are alleged to have taken place in 1892 and 1893, it is not proposed to take any action in the matter. Ships' corporals are not allowed to carry canes. As regards the last part of the hon. Member's Question, I have nothing to add to what I have already said on the subject, both in debate and in reply to Questions.
      MR. HUNT: Was it not stated in 1892–3 that flogging with a birch pickled in brine was so severe that a boy had to be examined by the ship's doctor before he was birched, and after the birching had to be taken to the sick bay, and was there made a prisoner, and guarded from noon to sunset by a Marine to prevent him injuring himself.
      MR. PRETYMAN: I think these statements are considerably exaggerated, and I have nothing to add to the Answer already given.
      MR. HUNT: Is it the case now that the doctor is obliged to examine the boy before he is birched because the punishment is so severe that he is likely to faint?
      MR. PRETYMAN: Not because he is likely to faint, but because boys' constitutions vary, and precautions have to be taken.
      MR. HUNT: May I ask why boys, before being birched in a public school, do not have to be examined by a doctor?
      *MR. SPEAKER: No. That is an argumentative Question and should not be put.
      MR. GIBSON BOWLES: If a boy should shoot his bircher, would he be allowed to retire from the service?
      [No Answer was returned.]
      MR. BRIGHT (: Are ship's corporals allowed to use the cane?
      MR. PRETYMAN: No, Sir.

      Trincomali.
      MAJOR SEELY: On be-half of the hon. and gallant Member for the Heywood Division of Lancashire, I beg to ask the Secretary to the Admiralty if it is intended to abandon the naval station at Trincomali.
      THE FINANCIAL SECRETARY TO THE WAR OFFICE (Mr. BROMLEY DAVENPORT,): My hon. friend has asked me to say that this yard was closed in April last and will no longer be used in peace time. It can, however, be opened in war time should any special circumstances render this course necessary.
      MR. GIBSON BOWLES: Have the guns been taken away, and have the buildings been handed over to caretakers?
      MR. BROMLEY DAVENPORT: No, Sir, the guns have not yet been taken away.
      MAJOR SEELY: On behalf of the hon. and gallant Member for the Heywood Division of Lancashire, I beg to ask the Secretary of State for War if it is intended to abandon the military station at Trincomali; and if so, when, and for how long.
      MR. BROMLEY DAVENPORT: It is intended to abandon Trincomali for good, as soon as the troops can be withdrawn.

      Mr. Van Rensburg.
      MR. WHITLEY: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he is aware that at the first meeting, in Heidelberg, of creditors in the insolvent estate of Mr. Van Rensburg, who recently resigned his seat as a nominated member of the Inter-Colonial Council, debts to the amount of £51,000 were proved, and included in the list was a sum of £20,000 due to the Colonial Treasurer of the Transvaal; and can he say for what purpose this loan was made.
      THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR THE COLONIES (Mr. LYTTELTON,): I have not yet received the information, but hope to do so shortly.
      MR. WHITLEY: Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that I first put the Question on the Paper three weeks ago?
      MR. LYTTELTON: We could not have obtained the information within that period unless we had cabled for it.
      MR. WHITLEY: Does not the right hon. Gentleman regard a debt of £20,000 due to the Colonial Treasurer of the Transvaal as a matter of importance?
      MR. LYTTELTON: I regard it as a matter of importance, but not as a matter of urgency.
      MR. WHITLEY: Will the light hon. Gentleman now undertake to cable for the information?
      MR. LYTTELTON: No; I should not be justified in cabling for it.
      SIR H. CAMPBELL-BANNERMAN: The right hon. Gentleman led my hon. friend to believe that an answer might be expected in a short time.
      Mr. LYTTELTON: No.
      SIR H. CAMPBELL-BANNERMAN: But my hon. friend postponed the Question for a week in the belief that the information would be obtained within that period.
      MR. LYTTELTON: I gave no encouragement to the hon. Member to put the Question down within a week. He used his own discretion.
      MR. WHITLEY: The right hon. Gentleman certainly gave me reason to believe that he would cable for the information. I will put the Question down again this day week.

      Good Friday Labour in the Transvaal Mines.
      MR. BURT: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether his attention has been called to the fact that fifteen European miners had been prosecuted for working on Good Friday in the Jumper's Deep Mine, con-
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      trary to the mining regulations, and to the evidence given that had they refused to work they would probably have been dismissed; and whether, seeing that each of the miners was fined £2, and that the law was not put in operation against the manager of the mine who had ordered the men to work, he proposes to take any action in the matter.
      MR. LYTTELTON: My attention has already been drawn to the newspaper report of this case. I have asked Lord Selborne for a report upon it, referring him particularly to the points raised in the Question of the hon. Member.

      Uganda—Murder of Mr. Gait.
      MR. CATHCART WASON: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he has received an account of the murder of a Sub-Commissioner near Entebbe, the capital of Uganda, and of any circumstances that may have led up to it.
      MR. LYTTELTON: Mr. Gait, the Assistant Secretary to the Administration of Uganda, was stabbed by a native in the evening of May 19th at Ibanda, which is about 140 miles east of Entebbe. He was at the time acting as Sub-Commissioner of the Western Province of the Protectorate. He died almost immediately after the attack. The Commissioner of Uganda has reported that the country round about Ibanda is peaceful and that the chiefs and people are well-disposed and quiet. He sees no political reason for the crime, which he regards as the act of an individual for purposes of revenge—possibly a dismissed employee or a discontented native. A complete investigation of the matter is being carried out.

      Zionists in East Africa.
      MR. CATHCART WASON: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Colonies if the offer of territory made by the Foreign Office to the Zionists in East Africa has now been definitely accepted or declined.
      MR. LYTTELTON: The Answer to the hon. Member's Question is in the negative.

      Partition of Bengal.
      MR. HERBERT ROBERTS: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for India whether he will state the grounds upon which the Government decided to sanction the administrative proposals in regard to the partition of Bengal; whether he will lay Papers upon the Table with reference to the nature and extent of these changes, together with the correspondence relating thereto; and, if so, whether these Papers will be laid before the end of the present session.
      THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR INDIA (Mr. BBODRICK, Surrey, Guilford): The grounds on which the Government of India made the proposals, which have been accepted, will be gathered from the Papers which I propose to lay on the Table as soon as possible. Subject to what I may hear from the Government of India, I hope the Papers may be laid before the close of the session.

      Press Censorship in India.
      MR.O'DOWD: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for India whether a Press censorship has recently been established by the Government of India under which system correspondents are prevented from transmitting any item of news unfavourable to the Indian Government; and, if so, will he state the circumstances under which such a state of affairs has arisen, and say what steps, if any, he proposes to take in the matter.
      MR. BRODRICK: I have no information as to the establishment of such a system as is described in the hon. Member's Question.
      MR. FLYNN: Will the right hon. Gentleman inquire?
      MR. BRODRICK: I ought to have first some prima facie case to inquire into.
      MR. SWIFT MACNEILL: Is the right hon. Gentleman on telegraphic terms with Lord Curzon?

      Chinese Coolies in British North Borneo.
      *MR. WEIR: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he can state the number of Chinese coolies employed on the respec-
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      tive tobacco estates in British North Borneo; and on what conditions they are engaged.
      THE UNDER-SECRETARY OF STATE FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS (Earl PERCY, Kensington, S.): Of the 13,000 adult Chinese in British North Borneo and Labuan about half are said to be employed on the tobacco and other estates. A very considerable number of those employed on the tobacco estates are "indentured coolies," who are, it is believed, engaged for three years at a fixed minimum salary which is increased on a certain scale in accordance with the care they exercise in looking after the tobacco in the field allotted to each man.
      *MR. WEIR: Will the noble Lord give me a copy of the conditions of the contract?
      EARL PERCY: We have no copy. They are private contracts.
      *MR. WEIR: Are they not made by the British North Borneo Company?
      EARL PERCY: They are made with private traders.
      *MR. WEIR: I think I can show the noble Lord he is wrong.

      London Traffic Commission Report.
      SIR GEORGE BARTLEYasked when the Report of the London Traffic Commission would be issued. He reminded the Home Secretary that it was signed more than a fortnight ago and laid on the Table of the House last week?
      THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR THE HOME DEPARTMENT (Mr. AKERS-DOUGLAS,): I have not had notice of this Question, but I will inquire and let my hon. friend know the result. As far as I am concerned it will be issued at the first possible moment.

      Bristol Carnival Lottery.
      MR. REDDY: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether it has come to his knowledge that a lottery

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      was held during a recent carnival at Bristol; and, if so, whether any action has been taken by the authorities with regard to it.
      THE UNDER - SECRETARY OF STATE FOR THE HOME DEPARTMENT (Mr. COCHRANE, Ayreshire, N.): I am in communication with the Board of Trade and with the local police authorities in this matter, but I am not yet in a position to reply to the Question further than by referring the hon. Member to the statement made by the Duke of Marlborough in another place on the 29th of May † last.
      MR. MACVEAGH: Is it a fact that the Bishop of Bristol publicly denounced this lottery, and that the Chief Secretary to the Lord-Lieutenant was one of the patrons?
      [No Answer was returned.]

      Hazel Grove (Cheshire) Disturbances.
      MR. MACVEAGH: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he can state for how many hours on Saturday and Sunday the disturbance at Hazel Grove, Cheshire, continued; how many of the rioters can be identified by the police; how many were apprehended, in addition to the three persons arrested at the inception of the disturbance; and how many further prosecutions are to be instituted.
      MR. COCHRANE: I am informed by the Chief Constable that on Saturday night the disorderly proceedings began about 11 o'clock, and lasted till about 3 a.m. On Sunday the crowd began to assemble about 9.30 p.m., and dispersed soon after midnight. The police have not identified any of the persons who took part in the disorderly proceedings, and the only arrests were those of the three persons mentioned in the Question. No further prosecutions ate contemplated.
      MR. MACVEAGH: Does the right hon. Gentleman, mean to say that after two days rioting the police are not able to identify a single rioter?
      † See (4) Debates, cxlvii., 39.
      MR. COCHRANE: I am afraid that is so.
      MR.DISRAELI: Is the hon. Gentleman aware that three men were prosecuted, that the magistrate dismissed the case against two and that no evidence was offered against the other? Has an inquiry been instituted by the Standing Joint Committee of Cheshire as to the cause of the riots?
      MR. COCHRANE: I must ask for notice of that.
      MR. FLAVIN: Has the hon. Member who represents this constituency publicly denounced the conduct of these rioters?
      [No Answer was returned.]

      Motor-Car Drivers' Licences.
      MR. WEIR: I beg to ask the President of the Local Government Board whether, with a view to prevent persons driving motor-cars and motor-cycles under the authority of licences which have been lent to them by the actual holders, he will consider the expediency of requiring all licence-holders to have their photographs printed on their licences.
      THE PRESIDENT OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT BOARD (Mr. GERALD BALFOUR,): The expediency of the requirement referred to will no doubt be considered by the Royal Commission which is to be appointed to inquire into the working of the Motor-Car Acts.

      Motor-Car Speeds in the Parks.
      MR. SCOTT-MONTAGU: I beg to ask the hon. Member for Chorley, as representing the First Commissioner of Works, whether he ia aware that running trials and foot races are often held on the Mall and in the Park roads; that the speeds attained exceed ten miles an hour, and that horse-drawn carriages habitually exceed ten miles an hour between Marlborough Gate and Birdcage Walk; and, if so, will he say whether the speed limit of ten miles an hour applies to all persons and vehicles or to motor-cars only.
      LORD BALCARRES (Lancashire, Chorlley): The reply to the first paragraph is in the negative; foot races are not held in the Royal parks except by permission, though occasionally persons may run through the parks. In reply to the second paragraph the First Commissioner is not aware that horse-drawn carriages habitually exceed ten miles an hour; on the contrary, tests which he has caused to be made show the reverse to be the case. The limit of speed to ten miles per hour does not apply to persons who walk or run, or to vehicles other than motor-cars, there being other rules for the regulation of such traffic.
      MR. SCOTT-MONTAGU: Will the noble Lord lay on the Table details of the tests taken as regards horse-drawn vehicles? I have tested them, and have found that they do exceed ten miles an hour.
      MR. GERALD BALFOUR: I do not think that necessary. No doubt carriages do occasionally exceed ten miles an hour, but we have no reason whatever to suppose the hon. Member is correct when he says they habitually do so.
      MR. SCOTT-MONTAGU: Will notice be taken of the cases in which they do?
      MR. GERALD BALFOUR: Of course, if it is to the danger of the public.
      MR. SOARES (Devonshire, Barnstaple): Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the driver of a horse-drawn vehicle is liable to be imprisoned for two years if he drives to the danger of the public?
      MR. FLAVIN: And can the right hon. Gentleman name any foot-racer whose speed exceeds ten miles an hour?
      [No Answer was returned.]

      Scottish Fishery Cruiser "Norna."
      MR. WEIR: I beg to ask the Lord-Advocate if he will state what sum was realised by the sale of the Fishery Board cruiser "Norna;" and in what respect was she found unsuitable for the service.
      THE LORD-ADVOCATE (Mr. SCOTT DICKSON, Glasgow, Bridgton): Five
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      hundred and fifty pounds was realised by the sale of the "Norna." Owing to the size and design of the vessel she was not well adapted to face the rough weather which the fishery cruisers have frequently to cope with in superintending the fisheries.

      Rates in the Western Hebrides.
      MR. JOHN DEWAR: I beg to ask the Lord-Advocate if his attention has been drawn to the increase of the rates in the Western Hebrides, amounting as they do in the parish of South Uist to over 12s. per pound, in the parish of Barra to over 13s. per pound, while in some parishes in the Lewes they amount to 17s. per pound; and whether, in view of this state of matters, with the prospect of still further increase, he will consider whether something can be done, by legislation or otherwise, to meet the hardship inflicted upon the districts.
      MR. SCOTT DICKSON: My attention has been drawn to the growing burden of the rates in the parishes referred to by the hon. Member. The Secretary for Scotland is fully conscious of the gravity of the state of matters which now exists and which is engaging his serious consideration, but he cannot undertake to introduce any legislative proposals at present.
      MR. WEIR: Will the Government press forward the Congested Districts Bill, which has now been introduced four years in succession?
      MR. SCOTT DICKSON: I am afraid the opposition to it comes chiefly from the hon. Member's own friends.
      MR. WEIR: Then is the Government afraid of the Motion standing in the name of the hon. Member for Mid-Lanark?
      MR. SCOTT DICKSON: We are not afraid; but we cannot get time to discuss it.
      MR. WEIR: Go on. For four years you have had a chance.

      Dog Poisoning at Sneem
      MR. BOLAND: I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland whether he is aware that six dogs have

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      been poisoned in the village of Sneem within the past few months; and whether the police are taking any steps to put down a practice which has been in operation within the last two years.
      THE CHIEF SECRETARY FOR IRELAND (Mr. WALTER LOSG,): Four dogs have been poisoned in Sneem within the past few months. The police have done everything in their power to trace the offender, but detection in such cases is obviously difficult.

      Evicted Farms.
      MR. MURPHY: I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland whether the Estates Commissioners can treat an unoccupied evicted farm as a separate estate when such farm only includes a small portion of the entire lands owned by a landlord; and, it so, or in any event, have the Commissioners up to the present taken, or do they propose in future to take, any steps for the reinstatement of evicted tenants in such cases without incurring the delay arising until all the lands on the estates on which such unoccupied farms are come before them for sale.
      MR. WALTER LONG: The amending Act of 1904 enables the Estates Commissioners to define land wholly or partly untenanted as an estate. Beyond pointing out that fact, I cannot give any opinion on this abstract question of law.

      The Militia.
      MR. REGINALD LUCAS: I beg to ask the First Lord of the Treasury whether, in the event of his considering the propriety of giving further facilities for considering Volunteer questions, he will bear in mind the like interests of the Militia forces.
      THB PRIME MINISTER AND FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY (Mr. A. J. BALFOUR,): I have already explained that the amount of time given to Army discussion in Supply only affords one more day for dealing with the Army Votes. That day has been allocated, at the request of the Leader of the Opposition, to the discussion of the Volunteer Vote in the first place, and to
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      the discussion of the Secretary of State's salary in the second place. If there is any time for discussion later, I shall be glad to bear my hon. friend's request in mind.
      MR. FLYNNsaid Lord Roberts had since made an important declaration in another place.
      MR. A. J. BALFOUR: I do not know that that has any beating on the order in which we should take the Votes on Thursday.

      Method of Taking Divisions.
      MR. SCOTT-MONTAGU: I beg to ask the First Lord of the Treasury whether he has considered the time occupied by divisions taken under the present system; and whether he will appoint a Committee to consider whether a saving of time can be effected by mechanical means of recording votes, to the relief also of the discomfort to Members during divisions.
      MR. A. J. BALFOUR: The length of time taken by divisions, and the amount thus substracted from discussion, has forced itself upon the attention of the Government, and I am sure it has forced itself upon the attention of every Gentleman in this House. But nobody has yet suggested a practical scheme for modifying it, and I do not think the mechanical methods adopted in foreign Assemblies would be practicable in this House, where Members have not got fixed seats, and where there are obvious difficulties to be overcome which are not met with in the Chambers of which I speak. Certainly the time taken by divisions is a factor which cannot be left out of account by those interested in the progress of business and who prefer discussion to walking through the lobbies. Although I cannot afford hope, nor make any suggestion on the subject, it may be that the time will come when some ingenious person will find a solution of the real difficulties to which my hon. friend has called attention.
      MR. SCOTT-MONTAGU: Is it not desirable that some inquiry should beheld? Assuming that each division occupies a quarter of an hour, there is a

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      waste of ten days of Parliamentary time in the course of a session.
      SIR H. CAMPBELL-BANNERMAN: I trust that, whatever happens, the Prime Minister will not listen to any suggestion from the hon. Gentleman opposite for the use of motor-cars.
      MR. A. J. BALFOUR: I must say I wish there was less interference with the speed limit in the matter of divisions. When my hon. friend points out that divisions tike ten days of Parliamentary time, it is well to remember that was the exact amount given to the whole of the legislation of the Government at the time when I moved my Motion last week.
      MR. SWIFT MACNEILL: That is no credit to your leadership.
      MR. MILDMAY (Devonshire, Totnes)asked the First Lord of the Treasury whether he would consider the possibility of reverting to the method of taking divisions which was introduced under the auspices of the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Croydon some years ago.
      MR. A. J. BALFOUR: I have not refreshed my memory as to the details of my right hon. friend's proposal; but, as far as I remember, there were found to be practical difficulties in its working, and I should be sorry to commit myself to it without further examination.

      Political Pressure by Civil Servants.
      MR. CROMBIE: I beg ta ask the First Lord of the Treasury if and when he intends to appoint a Parliamentary Committee to inquire into the best method of giving consideration to the claims for increased remuneration of Civil servants without danger of political pressure being applied to Members.
      MR. A. J. BALFOUR: This is a very important matter and is engaging the attention of the Government, but I am not yet in a position to make any statement on the subject.

      Ministerial Answers.
      MR. SWIFT MACNEILLdesired to call the attention of the Speaker to what
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      he conceived to be an abuse of the rules of the House. Yesterday, when the time limit for Questions had arrived, there were three Questions on the Paper addressed to the Prime Minister which were not answered by him. He submitted that, under the rules of the House, it was the bounden duty of the right hon. Gentleman to supply written Answers to those Questions and circulate them in the Votes and Proceedings, but he had not done so. He wished to ask the Speaker what remedy hon. Members had against this evasion of answering Questions by the Prime Minister.
      *MR. SPEAKER: This matter was discussed last week, when, I think, the hon. Member put to me almost identically the same Question. I then said that the rules provided no remedy but that it was the duty of the Minister whose Questions were not reached to hand the Answers in at the Table of the House. I would point out to the hon. Member that very often it happens that, by reason of the great number of supplementary Questions, the Questions on the printed Paper are not reached.
      MR. A. J. BALFOURpointed out that arrangements had been made, which were almost invariably successful, that Questions addressed to him should come on at a time when he could answer them. He thought there were seventeen addressed to him yesterday, and he was on his logs for thirty-five or forty minutes answering them. There would have been no difficulty in answering the three Questions referred to by the hon. Member but for the large number of supplementary Questions, for he greatly preferred answering Questions orally. The hon. Member apparently suggested that he wished to evade Questions. He should have thought the hon. Member had had enough experience of the operation of putting Questions and of the operation of receiving Answers to know that there was no desire for evasion on his part. He did not feel at all guilty in that respect. He did feel guilty in not having given written Answers to the Questions which were not reached.
      MR. SWIFT MACNEILL: Very well; the right hon. Gentleman will not offend again.

    ADMINISTRATIVE COUNTY OF LONDON ELECTRIC BILL.
    MR. LOUGHasked the Chairman of the Committee of Selection whether the Committee appointed to consider the Bill of the Administrative County of London and District Electric Power Company were nominated and the Members advised of their selection before the Second Reading of the Bill; whether his attention had been called to the fact that two of the hon. Members so nominated afterwards voted in favour of the Second Reading of the Bill, and whether the Committee of Selection had received an intimation from one other Member that he was financially interested in the scheme, and whether, in the circumstances, the Committee of Selection proposed to take any further steps with regard to the formation of this Committee.
    MR. HALSEY: replied that the Committee wore appointed provisionally by the Committee of Selection before the Second Reading of the Bill, but the names were not announced until after the Second Reading. This was done with the object of allowing the Committee to meet at the earliest possible moment, which, in view of the importance of the Bill and the lateness of the session, was thought desirable. It was not unusual to appoint a Committee to sit on a group of Bills some of which had not been read a second time. He was aware that two Members voted in favour of the Bill being read a second time; but it had never been held that a Member voting in favour of a Bill going to a Committee should be in consequence unable to sit as a member of the Committee on the Bill, though, naturally, a Member having voted against the Second Reading would not be eligible. No Member would be able to sit on the Committee who had not first sign d the declaration stating that neither he nor his constituents had any personal or local interest in the Bill referred to them.
    MR. LOUGHsaid the right hon. Gentleman had not answered that part of his Question in which he asked whether any communication had been received from one of the Members nominated.
    MR. HALSEYsaid that was not so. One of the Members who were originally nominated on the Committee had asked to be excused, not on that ground, but on private and personal grounds. He had not received any intimation from; any of the hon. Members that he was I financially interested in the scheme.
    MR. BOULNOISasked whether the hon. Members named by the Selection Committee knew that they had been nominated before the Second Reading of the Bill.
    MR. HALSEYsaid he was not quite sure of that. The hon. Member who had been appointed Chairman of the Committee was aware that he would be nominated and that it was proposed to appoint him the Chairman, but he was not quite certain about the other Members.
    MR. LOUGHasked the Speaker whether he thought it was desirable that members of a Committee of this kind, dealing with such an important matter, should pledge themselves by voting on the Second Reading of the Bill which was to be referred to them.
    *MR. SPEAKER: I think that is not I a Question that comes within my jurisdiction. I may have my own private views with regard to it, but it is not for me to impose them on the House.
    MR. RUTHERFORDdesired to state, as one of the Members nominated, that he knew nothing about his nomination when the Second Reading of the Bill was voted upon.
    SIR J. STIRLING-MAXWELLsaid he was asked whether he could serve on the Committee before the Second Reading, and in spite of that he voted in the division. It never occurred to him to do otherwise, for he could not conceive how his action on the Committee could be affected by his voting for the Second Reading.

    NEW BILLS.
      IRISH EDUCATION (AFFLICTED CHILDREN) BILL.
      "To make better provision for the Elementary Education of Afflicted Children in Ireland," presented by Mr. Walter Long; supported by Mr. Attorney-General for Ireland; to be read a second time upon Monday next, and to be printed. [Bill 269.]
      MUSICAL COPYRIGHT BILL.
      "To provide further remedies for preventing the infringement of Musical Copyright," presented by Mr. Cochrane; supported by Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas, Mr. Attorney-General, and Mr. Solicitor-General; to be read a second time upon Monday next, and to be printed. [Bill 270.]

      ALIENS (EXPENSES).
      Resolution reported, "That it is expedient to authorise the payment, out of moneys to be provided by Parliament, of the salary and remuneration of any officers, inspectors, or persons appointed under any Act of the present session to amend the Law with regard to Aliens, and of any expenses incurred in carrying such Act into effect."
      Resolution read a second time.
      MR. WHITLEYbegged to move to add at the end of the Motion the words "not exceeding in all in any one year, £10,000." He had put in the words "in all," because he saw, after re-reading the Resolution laid on the Table, that it might otherwise be held to refer only to the expenses and not to the salaries of those whom it was proposed to appoint. On several occasions they had endeavoured to raise the question of the expense arising in connection with the Bill, and he was afraid that this was the only opportunity, in view of the fact that the guillotine had come into force, that they would have of saying anything on the financial aspect of the question. He had put in a limit of £10,000 a year for the expenditure, and that would allow for an average of £1,200 for each of the
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      eight ports at which it was proposed to set up machinery under the Bill. The element of expenditure was a substantial element in the consideration of the measure. They were now well aware that the number of aliens that they were going to keep out of this country was likely to be extremely small. Some of his hon. friends put it at thirty or forty, while others suggested it might be about 100, and adopting the latter figure he thought it would be admitted that the allocation of £10,000 a year in order to exclude 100 undesirable aliens was a very liberal—even a lavish—provision to make. He wished to enter his protest against granting the Home Secretary unlimited credit in this matter. He thought that they ought to have some definite limit placed on the expenditure to be authorised under the Bill, and in the vague form in which Clause 4 was now drafted it was clear that there was absolutely no limit whatever on the discretion of the right hon. Gentleman. There was nothing to say how many officers he might appoint or at what salary, and, in fact, he might spend anything from £10,000 to £100,000 a year. Of course, he would tell them that the Treasury would look after that, but in late years their trust in the Treasury had substantially diminished, for they had seen over and over again that, after entering a half-hearted protest against I expenditure, it had given way, and schemes of lavish and unnecessary outlay had been sanctioned. Under these circumstances he begged to move his Amendment.
      MR. TREVELYANseconded the Amendment. He said he believed that at an earlier stage of the discussion the Home Secretary gave them a rough estimate of the expenditure under the Bill, and he put it at £24,000 a year. They had no knowledge, however, upon what that was based, for the right hon. Gentleman did not go into detail. He would like, however, to call the attention of the House to the fact that on the preceding day two things occurred which made it pretty clear that the expenditure under the Bill should not be very large if only the Government exercised economy. They had

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      two discussions on the previous day of a very important character. One was on the question of contract labour. There was an Amendment to exclude contract labour, which was brought forward by the Labour Members of the House. It was the only one, he believed, they had introduced, and it was promptly rejected by the Government. That Amendment would have excluded contract labour, and its rejection had brought about a very material difference between the law which was to be put into operation in England and the law which was already in operation in America. It was the case, he understood, that the number of aliens excluded from America in the course of the year was 8,000, and of these no fewer than 1,500 were excluded under the clause which permitted contract labourers to be kept out of the country, and, therefore, in England, when they were calculating how many people were likely to be excluded under this Act, they would have to take into consideration that it would be infinitely less than the American standard, because there would be no power to exclude contract labour. But the other decision arrived at on the previous night was of an even more formidable character. The House was asked to permit victims of religious persecution to come freely into this country. One thing was perfectly certain, and that was that enormous numbers of those who came over here from Russia and Poland were victims of religious persecution, and the result of the decision of the Government on this matter was that the greater part of the poverty stricken people who now came to this country would necessarily be excluded, because, as was well known, they were the victims of religious persecution. So far as numbers were concerned, the bottom had been knocked out of the Bill. The result was that the great changes which the Bill was to work would become extremely small. There would, indeed, be very few people excluded, and if £24,000 was to be the cost of the administration of the measure as it was originally framed, he ventured to think that the sum of £10,000 would now become an extravagant estimate, if only the Government would work it in an economical spirit, and he would urge upon them to try to make the Bill a little less un-
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      popular by not putting too severe a strain upon the Treasury.
      Amendment proposed—
      "At end, to add the words "not exceeding in all in any one year ten thousand pounds."—(Mr. Whitley.)
      Question proposed, "That those words be there added."
      MR. AUSTIN TAYLORsaid he could not agree with the mover and seconder of the Amendment as to the desirability of narrowing the effect of the money clause. He thought the last speaker must have overlooked the fact that the sole purpose of the Bill was not to exclude, but that it was also proposed to examine immigrants, and that such examination must necessarily involve considerable expense, not only in regard to the salaries of the officers engaged, but also in regard to the accommodation which it might be necessary to put up for the temporary detention of aliens. This Amendment was practically a vote of want of confidence in the right hon. Gentleman the Home Secretary, and he was not prepared to vote for it, because the right hon. Gentleman had been extremely conciliators towards shipowners. He had smiled upon them in the most amiable manner, and had accompanied that smile by substantial concessions. He took this opportunity, however, to bring before the right hon. Gentleman one point which was raised by an Amendment of an hon. friend which, with many other Amendments, would fail to be discussed, an Amendment which protested in the strongest terms against placing on the shipowners the burden of providing the accommodation necessary for the detention of immigrants. In the Bill of last year there were words which enabled the Secretary of State, with the sanction of the Treasury, to provide each accommodation as might be required at any port, and he hoped that it would be found possible to introduce similar words into this measure. It was quite impossible to forecast the cost of working this Bill, and if it were found necessary to erect substantial buildings a very considerable proportion of the sum estimated would be required

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      for that purpose. He objected to the cost of the buildings, which was small, being placed upon the shipowners, inasmuch as the Bill was intended to exclude aliens for the benefit and safety of the country at large. Under these circumstances, he hoped the Amendment would be rejected, that a free hand would be given to the Home Secretary, and that the right hon. Gentleman would do the right thing by the shipowners, which he was sure he was desirous of doing.
      MR. GIBSON BOWLES (Lynn Regis)said the hon. Member, in expressing a willingness to sanction unbridled, unlimited, and extravagant expenditure, provided that the shipowner was "squared," was hardly treating the Committee with sufficient courtesy. The Resolution as it stood was as wide as the wide world, and that no limit was imposed in the clause was, in his opinion, a grave defect. The better, and not unusual, practice of the House was to have a limit put in the Resolution itself. He understood that his right he friend the Home Secretary had suggested that he could do the job of keeping out 100 aliens or so for £24,000 per annum, or about £240 per alien. He suggested that the limit should be, not £10,000, but £24,000, and he put that forward as a happy suggestion that would reconcile the objection of both sides.
      MR. LOUGHsaid the question of cost was a very serious one. There were not only officials to be appointed, but buildings and offices which had to be provided. He noticed, too, that provision was to be made for returns. But they already had very complete returns, and why should they give the Home Secretary a blank cheque in order to do work at present well done by the Board of Trade. He would like to ask whether the Home Secretary would undertake that before any expenses were incurred under the Bill the estimates should be laid before the House.
      MR. GIBSON BOWLES: The Government cannot spend any money until it is voted b the House.
      MR. WHITLEY: Does the hon. Gentleman mean to say that the Government
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      cannot, for instance appoint the immigration officers until we vote the money?
      MR. GIBSON BOWLES: If they do appoint them we need not pay.
      MR. LOUGHurged that the House had a right to express some opinion as to the class of the men to be appointed as officers and as to the pay to be given them, and he pressed for a pledge that no appointment should be made without the House being first consulted.
      THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR THE HOME DEPARTMENT (Mr. AKERS-DOUGLAS,)said he could give no such promise as that which the hon. Member for Islington asked for. A more unreasonable proposal had never been made to a Minister. He had already stated that the Home Office had made a careful estimate of the expenses that would be incurred under the Bill, and the figure arrived at was £24,000 a year. That estimate was made up by allowing £3,000 for the Port of London, £2,000 for each of the other tan ports at which it was proposed to set up the machinery required by the Bill, and £1,000 for central staff. The hon. Member for the Elland Division had contended that the estimate was excessive as the bottom had been knocked out of the Bill yesterday by the agreement to admit the victims of religious persecution. On the contrary, it would increase the expenditure by entailing a closer examination of the aliens to ascertain whether they came within that exemption. He did not accept the estimate formed on the Opposition Benches as to the small number of aliens which the Bill would exclude. He believed the Bill would keep out the large number of undesirable immigrants who came here because they were rejected in America; and as the knowledge of the operation of the Bill spread abroad the number of aliens coming here would be reduced and with, it the cost of the machinery of the Bill.
      MR. GIBSON BOWLES: Will the buildings required for the accommodation and examination of aliens be provided for by Estimate or will there be an Aliens Loans Bill.
      MR. AKERS-DOUGLAS: I have no intention of anything in the form of art Aliens Loans Bill. We believe that the buildings which will be required for carrying out the Bill are already provided at the harbours and docks, bat if any shipping companies desire other buildings they certainly will be called upon to provide them.
      MR. BRYCEsaid it was impossible for the House to arrive at the probable number of aliens who would be stopped under the Bill until they knew the number of aliens who at present came intending to stay here.
      SIR HOWARD VINCENT: 75,000 a year.
      MR. BRYCEsaid the House had no statistics on the point of the slightest value, although they had repeatedly asked for them. The evidence of the man who knew most about it—Mr. Llewellyn Smith—went to show that it was impossible for the Board of Trade to give any estimate. The Home Secretary had entirely failed to give an estimate of the probable number of aliens, and, therefore, they were discussing this most important matter absolutely in the dark. On the question of expense the Home Secretary had stimulated rather than satisfied curiosity. The right hon. Gentleman had put forward an estimate of £24,000 for eleven ports, but the only particulars he had given were £3,000 for London, £2,000 for other ports, and £1,000 for the Home Office. How were the other £11,000 to be spent?
      MR. AKERS-DOUGLAS: £2,000 for each of the other ten ports.
      MR. BRYCEasked how the money at the different ports was to be expended. There would have to be inspectors, but what salaries were to be paid, and were the officers to do any work other than that in connection with aliens? In many ports there would be so little work that it would be absurd to appoint an inspector exclusively for the duty, and in such cases would existing officials of the Board of Trade undertake the work as an extra duty? If special officers were appointed would care be taken
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      to see that they posesssed the necessary qualifications? These were all Questions that should be asked now, since, owing to the conditions under which the Bill was being discussed, there would be no opportunity on the appropriate portions of the measure. Personally, he could not see how the £24,000 were to be spent. At moat of the ports so few aliens came in that it would be neither reasonable nor proper to employ men at considerable salaries to do a trifling piece of work which would become important only once or twice a week, if then. He thought his hon. friend's estimate would be much nearer the mark than, that of the Home Secretary, and certainly £24,000 was a large sum to spend in demonstrating the utter inutility and absurdity of the measure.
      SIR GILBERT PARKERasked whether the estimate of expenditure under the Bill would be submitted in the form of a Supplementary Estimate before the close of the present session, seeing that the Bill would come into force on January 1st next.
      MR. BRIGHTsaid that as the Home Secretary had referred to an Answer given to him it was as well that the House should know the exact wording of that Answer, since it hardly bore the construction now placed upon it. The Answer was—
      "It is obvious that any estimate which can be made at the present moment must be to a great extent conjectural. I have, however, prepared an estimate of the probable cost of administration, confining it to the provisions for preventing the immigration of undesirables, since it is impossible to forecast the expense of expelling alien criminals, etc.";
      therefore there would be expenditure over and above the £24,000, and the House had a right to know what exactly was included in this sum. The only effect of the measure would be to damage us as a freedom-loving nation in the eyes of the world, and to throw a considerable burden on the taxpayer.
      MR. GALLOWAYasked upon whom the cost of providing additional buildings would fall in the event of such additional buildings being found necessary. It would be extremely unfair that it should fall on the shipowners

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      Last year the Government proposed that the cost of providing accommodation for the temporary detention of aliens should be borne by the nation, and he failed to see why a different course should be followed this year. The cost to employers under our system of inspection and so forth was continually increasing, and, while he did not say that such inspection was wrong, he thought it would soon become necessary for the trade it was to bring aliens to this country Government to do something to assist should be responsible for any additional employers to bear this constantly increasing burden.
      MR. HERBERT SAMUELsaid that probably many hon. Members thought that this £24,000 was a mere trifle compared with the saving to the rates that would be effected by the exclusion of aliens. That, however, was not the case. According to the Board of Trade Report alien pauperism represented 0·22 per cent, of the total pauperism of the country. The total cost of pauperism in England and Wales was about £13,000,000, 0·22 per cent, of which represented roughly £28,000. Therefore the country was asked to spend £24,000 upon a system of inspection the maximum result of which, if it kept out all alien paupers, would be to save £28,000.
      MR. DAVID MACIVERwas understood to say that the Home Secretary was suffering from going too far in his endeavours to conciliate opponents of the Bill. The right hon. Gentleman ought not to commit himself to any definite amount, as it was impossible to say what the precise expense would be. As far as Liverpool was concerned, the machinery was already in existence, and it would cost little, if anything, to put the Bill into operation, especially having regard to the probable saving to the rates. In London the ease was different. Out of 51,000 aliens who arrived in the Metropolis last year 49,000 arrived in foreign steamers. In different ports different conditions and requirements obtained. He desired to dissociate himself from the remarks of some of his hon. friends, as he thought it was doing an ill service to the cause of shipowners to put forward unreasonable claims.
      MR. AUSTIN TAYLORasked why that was unreasonable this year which, in the opinion of the Government, was perfectly reasonable last year.
      MR. DAVID MACIVERsaid that being a shipowner he would naturally be unwilling that any unreasonable charge should be imposed upon shipowners, but he thought it only right that those whose cost that might be involved.
      MR. GEORGE WHITELEYsaid he desired to press the point as to the problematical cost to the shipowners of providing the accommodation which would be necessary under this Bill. This question could not be dismissed in the light and airy fashion which had been adopted by the Home Secretary. Heavy charges would have to be met at the seaports, notwithstanding what had been said by the hon. Member for Liverpool. He would like to know where was there accommodation in Liverpool that could be used for the influx of immigrants who would have to be examined and supervised, either medically or otherwise. So far as Liverpool was concerned, every small building was used, and they were of very great value. To suggest that shipowners were to provide the necessary accommodation and purchase land in order to provide something which was to be used for a national purpose was putting a very heavy expense upon them. There seemed to be no limit to the expense that might have to be borne in the carrying out of this Bill. The Home Secretary was asking for a blank cheque to pay whatever salaries and expenses he liked, and that was certainly not a business-like arrangement. The right hon. Gentleman ought to tell them the amount he proposed to spend and give the House some details that would enable them to form a judgment.
      MR. COGHILL (Stoke-upon-Trent)said he thought this Bill was very popular with the working classes, but it was not advisable that they should get it into their heads that it was going to be a costly Bill. He thought the Home

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      Secretary would be well advised if he put a limit into the Bill which must not be exceeded. He could not see why the American method had not been adopted and so much, charged for each immigrant. Either the people who brought these immigrants or the immigrants themselves should be called upon to pay these charges.
      MAJOR EVANS GORDONsaid he trusted that the Home Secretary would remain quite firm upon the point of expenditure connected with the accommodation of these immigrants. He could not understand why there should be any suggestion that the taxpayers should pay these charges. Here they had a number of shipping companies, mostly foreigners, dragging into their net anybody they could and bringing them over here in order to make a profit. Why on earth should not these shipping companies pay the expense of these examinations? He did not see why the reasonable restrictions imposed upon other parts of shipping should not also be applied in regard to this particular part of their business. In London, foreign shipowners had the option of having these people examined on board ship, and in that case they would not be put to any expense. If shipowners only took proper precautions in selecting their passengers they would be subjected to hardly any inconvenience at all. If shipowners chose to bring undesirable people and chance them being rejected the blame would rest upon themselves. In the debate last evening hon. Members opposite offered no objection to the financial burden which the granting of asylum to foreigners would place upon this country. At any rate, he hoped the burden of these immigrants would be removed from the people of the East End of London and other localities who were being so seriously injured under the present system. In Hamburg there was an enormous business of this kind, and they had set up depots there costing £50,000 without any question of the State bearing any of the cost. He hoped the right hon. Gentleman would adhere to his original proposal.
      *MR. RUNCIMANcomplained of the statements made, more particularly by the hon. and gallant Member for Stepney, that shipping companies engaged in bringing immigrants were employed in casting their net over Europe, raking in any person good, bad, or indifferent, to swell their passenger lists.
      MAJOR EVANS GORDON: Hear,
      hear!
      MR. RUNCIMAN: Could that be said of the port of Hull, where the only passenger vessels coming in with these aliens belonged to the well-known Wilson Line? Would the hon. Member make that distinct accusation against the Wilson Line that they cast their net all over Europe, raking in good, bad, and indifferent Had the hon. Member made a similar accusation against the Great Central Railway Company at Grimsby and the Lancashire and Yorkshire Company at Goole, and did he say that most of this business on the Tyne which was carried on by English companies was not honourably performed? They were reckless accusations made by an amateur investigator who had been gulled in nearly every country of Europe, and they did nothing to strengthen the cause he was advocating. He was, howler, not so much concerned with the hon. Member, because, after all, it was the Government with whom they had to deal. The Home Secretary had given them £24,000 as a probable estimate of the cost. Would the right hon. Gentleman accept £24,000 as the limit, and place words to that effect in the Resolution. It had been suggested that £2,000 might be spent upon the Tyne, but that sum was absolutely unreasonable. On the Tyne only a small number of the vessels carried immigrants, and £2,000 would be sufficient to pay £200 a year to each member of the immigration board and seven officers. With seven officers on the Tyne there would be six of them on six days of the week who would have nothing to do but twiddle their thumbs. The sum of £2,000 for Leith and Grimsby

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      was totally unreasonable. He was sure the right hon. Gentleman would be very safe in limiting the expenditure to £24,000.
      MR. AKERS-DOUGLAS,speaking again with the permission of the House, said that the Government had taken a safe figure in estimating the cost of the working of the Act. He would much rather do that than understate the figure and then be told that he had put forward a plan and got the House to agree to it on an estimate which had afterwards to be made very much larger. He admitted that the sum proposed was large for certain ports, but they must be on the safe side. It was not usual to go into detailed figures on a Resolution of this sort. He could assure the House that the figures were based on estimates which had been made of the possible cost of the machinery of the Act. He had been rather rash sometimes in endeavouring to meet the wishes of the House by giving information as to details and he had found that this led to lengthened debates afterwards. He did not propose to place a large amount on the Estimates for permanent staff, but he believed that the figure he had quoted was the limit. It was likely that a smaller figure would be sufficient. It was impossible to estimate the amount that might be required for the deportation of aliens. The estimate he had given had been closely made, having regard to

      AYES.

      Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.)

      Causton, Richard Knight

      Emmott, Alfred

      Abraham, William (Rhondda)

      Cawley, Frederick

      Fenwick, Charles

      Ainsworth, John Stirling

      Channing, Francis Allston

      Field, William

      Allen, Charles P.

      Churchill, Winston Spencer

      Findlay, Alexander(Lanark, N.E)

      Ambrose, Robert

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond

      Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herbert Henry

      Craig, Robert Hunter(Lanark)

      Flavin, Michael Joseph

      Austin, Sir John

      Cremer, William Randal

      Flynn, James Christopher

      Barlow, John Emmott

      Cullinan, J.

      Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)

      Beaumont, Wentworth C. B.

      Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan)

      Freeman-Thomas, Captain F.

      Benn, John, William.

      Delany, William

      Fuller, J. M. F.

      Black, Alexander William

      Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.)

      Gladstone,Rt.Hn. Herbert John

      Boland, John

      Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles

      Grey, Rt.Hn.Sir E.(Berwick)

      Brigg, John

      Dobbie, Joseph

      Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton

      Bright, Allan Heywood

      Donelan, Captain A.

      Hammond, John

      Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson

      Doogan, P. C.

      Harcourt, Lewis

      Bryce, Rt. Hon. James

      Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)

      Hardie, J.Keir(MerthyrTydvil)

      Buchanan, Thomas Rybura

      Duncan, J. Hastings

      Harwood, George

      Burke, E. Haviland-

      Dunn, Sir William

      Hayden, John Patrick

      Burt, Thomas

      Edwards, Frank

      Hayter, Rt. Hon. Sir ArthurD.

      Caldwell, James

      Elibank, Master of

      Helme, Norval watson

      Cameron, Robert

      Ellice,Capt.E.C.S'Andrw'sBghs

      Henderson, Arthur (Durham)

      Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H.

      Ellis, John Edward (Notts.)

      Higham, John Sharp

      the number of officials who would be required and the actual salaries to be paid. He had only been anxious to deal with an outside figure.
      MR. CHURCHILLsaid that in view of the right hon. Gentleman's statement the Amendment proposed by his hon. friend was very reasonable.
      MR. AKERS-DOUGLASsaid he had; already stated that they could not say how many aliens would have to be deported.
      MR. CHURCHILLsaid the right hon. Gentleman had stated that it was impossible to give a definite figure. He had, therefore, selected a figure which erred on the side of generosity. However vague their information might be on this subject, he understood that £24,000 was the utmost limit of expense to which the country would be put. If that was so why not insert that limit? He was perfectly sure that the mover of the Amendment would agree to that limit.
      MR. WHLTLEYsaid if the Home Secretary would agree to that he would be willing to withdraw the Amendment.
      Question put.
      The House divided:—Ayes, 157;—Noes, 224. (Division List No. 263.)

      Hutchinson, Dr. CharlesFredk.

      Nussey, Thomas Willans

      Smith, Samuel (Flint)

      Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

      O' Brien, Kendal(Tipperary Mid)

      Soames, Arthur Wellesley

      Jacoby, James Alfred

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      Soares, Ernest J.

      Jones, David Brynmor(Swansea

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, W.)

      Spencer.Rt.Hn.C.R.(Northants

      Jones, Leif, (Appleby)

      O'Connor, James (Wicklow,W.

      Stanhope, Hon. Philip James

      Jones, William(Carnarvonshire

      O'Dowd, John

      Sullivan, Donald

      Joyce, Michael

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe

      Kennedy, VincentP.(Cavan,W.

      O'Malley, William

      Tennant, Harold John

      Kitson, Sir James

      O'Mara, James

      Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.

      Lamont, Norman

      O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

      Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr

      Law, Hugh Alex, (Donegal, W.

      Parrott, William

      Thomson, F. W. (York, W.R.)

      Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)

      Paulton, James Mellor

      Tomkinson, James

      Layland-Barratt, Francis

      Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden)

      Toulmin, George

      Leese, SirJoseph F.(Accrington)

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      Wallace, Robert

      Long, Sir John

      Price, Robert John

      Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.

      Lewis, John Herbert

      Rea, Russell

      Wason, Eugene(Clackmannan

      Lloyd-George, David

      Reddy,M.

      Wason, JohnCathcart(Orkney

      Lough, Thomas

      Redmond John E. (Waterford

      Weir, James Galloway

      Lundon, W.

      Roberts, John H. (Denbighs

      White, George (Norfolk)

      Lyell, Charles Henry

      Robertson, Edmund (Dundee)

      White, Luke (York, W. R.)

      MacNeill, John Gordon Swift

      Roe, Sir Thomas

      Whiteley, George(York, W.R.)

      MacVeagh, Jeremiah

      Runciman, Walter

      Wilson, Chas. Hour—(Hull,W

      M'Crae, George

      Russell, T. W.

      Wilson, Fred. W. (Norfolk,Mid

      M'Kenna, Reginald

      Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland

      Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.

      M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin

      Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

      Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)

      Mappin, Sir Frederick Thorpe

      Schwann, Charles E.

      Wilson, J.W.(Worcestersh.N.

      Mooney, John J.

      Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)

      Woodhouse, SirJT. (Huddersf'd.

      Morgan, J. Lloyd(Carmarthen

      Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)

      Morley, Rt.Hn.John (Montrose

      Sheehy, David.

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—

      Murphy, John

      Shipman, Dr. John G.

      Mr. J. H. Whitley and Mr.

      Nolan, Col.,JohnP. (Galway,N.

      Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)

      Trevelyan.

      Nolan, Joseph Louth, South)

      Slack, John Bamford

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      Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

      Chapman, Edward

      Galloway, William Johnson

      Agnew, S r Andrew Noel

      Clive, Captain Percy A.

      Gardner, Ernest

      Allhusen, AugustusHenryEden

      Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

      Garfit, William

      Allsopp, Hon. George

      Coddington, Sir William

      Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H.

      Anson, Sir William Reynell

      Coghill, Douglas Harry

      Godson, SirAugustusFrederick

      Arrol, Sir William

      Cohen, Benjamin Louis

      Gordon, Hn.J.E.(Elgin & Nairn)

      Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John

      Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole

      Gordon, Maj Evans-(T'rH'mlets

      Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn.SirH.

      Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)

      Gorst, B t. Hon. Sir John Eldon

      Bagot, Capt. JoscelinFitzRoy

      Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge

      Goschen, Hon. George Joachim

      Bailey, James (Walworth)

      Cripps, Chas. Alf

      Goulding, Edward Alfred

      Bain, Colonel James Robert

      Cross, Alexander (Glasgow)

      Graham, Henry Robert

      Baird, John George Alexander

      Cubitt, Hon. Henry

      Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury

      Balcarres, Lord

      Dalkeith, Earl of

      Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.

      Baldwin, Alfred

      Davenport, William Bromley.

      Grenfell, William Henry.

      Balfour, Rt. Hn. A.J. (Manch'ter

      Davies, SirHoratioD.(Chatham

      Grevill, Hon. Ronald

      Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)

      Denny, Colonel

      Hain, Edward

      Balfour, RtHnGeraldW. (Leeds

      Dickson, Charles Scott

      Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F.

      Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.

      Dimsdale,Rt.Hn.Sir Joseph C.

      Hamilton, Marq.of(L'nd'nderry

      Banbury, Sir Frederick George

      Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph

      Hardy, Laurence(Kent,Ashford

      Barry, SirFrancisT.(Windsor

      Dixon-Hartland,SirFredDixon

      Hare, Thomas Leigh

      Hartley, Sir George C. T.

      Dorington, Rt. Hon.SirJohnE.

      Haslam, Sir Alfred S.

      Bathurst, Hon. AllenBenjamin

      Doughty, Sir George

      Hay, Hon. Claude George

      Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

      Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-

      Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley

      Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.

      Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton

      Heath, Sir James(StaffordsNW

      Bignold, Sir Arthur

      Elliot, Hon. A. Ralph Douglas

      Heaton, John Henniker

      Bingham, Lord

      Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.

      Hickman, Sir Alfred

      Bond, Edward

      Faber, George Denison, York)

      Hill, Henry Staveley

      Bowles,Lt.-Col. H. F. (Middlesex

      Fardell, Sir T. George

      Hoare, Sir Samuel

      Brymer, William Ernest

      Fellowes, RtHn.AilwynEdw.

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Campbell, Rt.Hn. J. A.(Glasgow

      Fergusson,Rt.Hn.Sir J.(Man'cr

      Hope, J.F.(Sheffield,Brighstide

      Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H.

      Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.

      Hoult, Joseph

      Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh.

      Winlay, SirRB.(Inv'rn'ssBghs'

      Howard, J. (Midd.,Tottenham

      Cayzer, Sir Charles Willson

      Fisher, William Hayes

      Hozier, Hon.JamesHenryCecil

      Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

      Flower, Sir Ernest

      Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse

      Chamberlain, Rt.Hn.JA(Worc.

      Forster, Henry William

      Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred.

      Chamberlayne, T. (S'thampton

      Foster,Philip S.(Warwick,S. W.

      Jessel, Captain HerbertMerton

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      Kenyon, Hon.Geo,T.(Denbigh-

      Mount, William Arthur

      Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)

      Kerr, John

      Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.

      Spear, John Ward

      Kimber, Sir Henry

      Murray, Col Wyndham (Bath)

      Stanley,Edward Jas.(Somerset

      Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.

      Myers, Wiliam Henry

      Stanley,Rt.Hon. Lord (Lancs.

      Laurie, Lieut.-General

      Nicholson, William Graham

      Stewart, SirMarkJ.M'Taggart

      Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)

      Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury)

      Stock, James Henry

      Lawson, Hn.H.L.W.(Mile End

      Parker, Sir Gilbert

      Stone, Sir Benjamin

      Lee, ArthurH. (Hants.,Fareham

      Peel, Hn. Wm. RobertWellesley

      Stroyan, John

      Lees, Sir Elliot (Birkenhead)

      Percy, Earl

      Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley

      Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

      Pierpoint, Robert

      Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

      Lockwood, Lieut. -Col. A. R.

      Pilkington, Colonel Richard

      Talbot, Rt.Hn.J.G.(Oxf'dUniv

      Long, Col.Charles W.(Evesham

      Plummer, Sir Walter R.

      Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)

      Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (BristolS

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Thorburn, Sir Walter

      Lowe, Francis William

      Pretyraan, Ernest George

      Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.

      Lloyd, Archie Kirkman

      Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

      Tuff, Charles

      Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft

      Purvis, Robert

      Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward

      Lucas, ReginaldJ. (Portsmouth

      Rankin, Sir James

      Tuke, Sir John Batty

      Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred

      Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne

      Turnour, Viscount

      Macdona, John Cumming

      Reid, James (Greenock)

      Vincent, Col.SirCEH(Sheffield

      MacIver, David (Liverpool)

      Remnant, James Farquharson

      Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)

      Maconochie, A. W.

      Ridley, S. Forde

      Walrond, Rt.Hn.SirWilliam.H.

      M'Arthur, William (Cornwall)

      Ritchie,Rt.Hon.Chas. Thomson

      Warde, Colonel C. E.

      M'Iver,Sir Lewis (Edinburgh W

      Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield

      Welby, Lt.-Col.A.C.E.(Taunton

      M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire

      Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

      Welby,SirCharles G.E.(Notts.)

      Malcolm, Ian

      Round, Rt. Hon. James

      Wharton, Rt, Hon. John Lloyd

      Manners, Lord Cecil

      Royds, Clement Molyneux

      Whiteley, H.(Ashton und.Lyne

      Marks, Harry Hananel

      Rutherford, John (Lancashire)

      Whitmore, Charles Algernon

      Melville, Beresford Valentine

      Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)

      Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)

      Meysey Thompson, Sir H. M.

      Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-

      Wilson, John (Glasgow)

      Middlemore, JohnThrogmorton

      Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

      Wilson Todd, Sir W.H.(Yorks.

      Mildmay, Francis Bingham

      Samuel, SirHarry S.(Limehouse

      Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm

      Milner, Rt.Hon. Sir Fredk. G.

      Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert

      Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson

      Melvain, Thomas

      Saunderson, Rt.Hn.Col.Edw.J.

      Wrightson, Sir Thomas

      Mitchell, William (Burnley)

      Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)

      Wyndham, Rt. Hon, George

      Montagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants.

      Seton-Karr, Sir Henry

      Wyndham-Quin, Col.W. H.

      Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

      Sharpe, William Edward T.

      Younger, William.

      Morgan, David J. Walthamstow

      Shaw-Stewart, SirH. (Renfrew

      Morrell, George Herbert

      Simeon, Sir Barrington

      TELLERS FOR THE NOES—

      Morrison, James Archibald

      Smith,HC. (North'mb. Tyneside

      Sir Alexander Acland-Hood

      Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer

      Smith, Rt.Hn.J.Parker(Lan'ks

      and Viscount Valentia.

      ALIENS BILL,
      Considered in Committee.
      (In the Committee.)
      [Mr. GRANT LAWSON (Yorkshire, N.R. Thirsk) in the Chair.]
      Clause 4:—
      MR. EMMOTTsaid that the Amendment he had to move stood in the name of four hon. Members on that side and two on the Government side of the House. He observed that the Home Secretary had given notice of a very important Amendment on this sub-section, and if the right hon. Gentleman had not done so he would have had a very easy case to show the great hardship
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      which the clause, as it stood, would inflict on the shipping trade. He thought it was scandalous that the Government should have suggested that the master or owner of a ship should undertake the task of deporting an immigrant who had been allowed to enter into this country. No fault could be imputed to the master or the owner; if any fault was to be imputed it should be to the immigration officer who had allowed the immigrant to land. He would not go further into the monstrous proposition contained in the Bill as it stood; but he presumed he would be in order in discussing the sub-section as it would be altered when the Amendment to be proposed by the Home Secretary was carried.
      THE CHAIRMAN: The hon. Member cannot do that until the Amendment is proposed.
      MR. EMMOTTsaid that he would, then, best consult the convenience of the Committee by simply pointing out what a monstrous proposition this was in the Bill as originally drawn. He formally moved.
      Amendment proposed—
      "In page 3, line 39, to leave out Subsection (2)."—(Mr. Emmott.)
      Question proposed, "That the words 'If an expulsion order be made in the case of any alien' stand part of the clause."
      MR. CHARLES McARTHURsaid he would ask the Home Secretary to reconsider this clause. He quite recognised that the right hon. Gentleman had put an Amendment on the Paper which would to some considerable extent meet the objection referred to by the hon. Member for Oldham. His own objection to the clause was that it was fundamentally wrong in principle. It proceeded on the supposition that a shipmaster who had brought an immigrant into the United Kingdom, which immigrant had been wrongfully admitted, was to be responsible for the good behaviour of that immigrant for six months and then return him free to the port of embarkation. A shipmaster was not gifted with prescience or the power of reading the secret thoughts of a passenger on his ship; and how could he tell what that passenger was going to do during the ensuing six months? He must protest against some remarks that had been made from his own side of the House as to the responsibility of the shipping trade in this matter. The immigrant trade was a legitimate trade, and, if it was to be interfered with for the benefit of the public at large no disadvantage should be thrown on the shipmaster or owner. He was glad that the Government was showing a conciliatory spirit on this point, and the concession made by the Home Secretary to meet the views of the shipping trade had given some satisfaction; but he hoped the right hon. Gentleman would again look at this provision with the view of making a further concession to the shipmaster who himself had no power to refuse an
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      immigrant. Supposing a shipmaster had left his old employer, was he to be followed up and held responsible for the behaviour of an immigrant over whom he had no control and who had been passed by the immigration officer? Shipmasters were not represented in that Assembly, and on that account they had a right to considerate treatment. He asked the Home Secretary, if he could not remove this provision altogether, to join the agent and owner in responsibility with the shipmaster.
      MR. STUART SAMUELsaid he did not know what steps the Home Secretary proposed in order to recover from the master of a ship all the heavy liability it was proposed to impose upon him. He admired the ingenuity of the right hon. Gentleman, but why should it not proceed further? Why should not a cabman be responsible for a drunk or disorderly fare; and why should not the right hon. Gentleman be responsible for breaches of the Factory Acts? The sub-section seemed to be a rough and ready means of shifting responsibility. The Bill proposed to impose so many extraordinary provisions that a little injustice here and there would not be noticed by the public, and they would get accustomed to it. As the sub-section stood, it would make the master an accessory before the fact in the event of crime being committed.
      MR. CHURCHILLsaid that the Amendment on the Paper conceded the whole substance of the words the right hon. Gentleman proposed to leave out. It was admitted that 92 per cent, of the immigrants entered the principal ports; and, as far as that proportion was concerned, there would be no liability on the part of the shipmaster. On the other hand, the master of a ship would be liable for aliens landed at other ports. That seemed to him very unusual; and, in his opinion, destroyed the great safeguard which the right hon. Gentleman desired. Did the right hon. Gentleman seriously mean that the shipmaster should be responsible for a foreigner he brought into this country. He did not believe that the Government intended to make themselves responsible for such a proposition. The right hon. Gentleman.

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      had given away one handle he had over the shipping companies; and, at the same time, left this absurd anomaly in his Bill. Was it worth while to proceed with the rest of the clause which imposed on shipmasters such an unjust liability? Take the case of a cabin passenger who crossed from Calais to Dover. There would be no record regarding him. By what conceivable method could the chain of responsibility be established? He would suggest to the right hon. Gentleman that the purpose of the Bill would not be altered if the words proposed to be left out were omitted.
      THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR THE HOME DEPARTMENT (Mr. AKERS-DOUGLAS,)said that there were other reasons for the retention of the sub-section than those which had been alluded to.
      *MR. CHARLES WILSONsaid that in his opinion this subjection went much further than the Home Secretary imagined. He would remind the Committee that on a modern ship there was plenty of work for the shipmaster to do without having the additional obligation of looking after immigrants or transmigrants on board. If the sub-section remained in the Bill the result, would be that that master might be liable not for one immigrant but for, perhaps, a hundred of them. That fact, surely, showed the absurdity of the proposal. He did not believe that the Home Secretary wished to do anything to damage the shipping trade of this country; but why all these traps for the shipowners and masters? This sort of legislation practically put the shipowners in the hands of the surveyors, and he could say from his own experience that a shipowner in such hands had a very bad time indeed. The Government were going to give one or two millions to the Cunard Company to build some of the finest ships in the world; and these ships would probably carry fifteen hundred or two thousand passengers. How was it possible for the shipmaster to know the peculiarities of all these people? The shipmaster was also to be responsible for taking expelled aliens back to their country of origin. What was he to do with them if they
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      were refused readmission? Apparently he and they would be in the case of the Flying Dutchman, and have to go backwards and forwards for ever. The measure was full of absurdities, anomalies, and unnecessary restrictions. He hoped the Government would recognise the difficulties which the sub-section would place them and the shipowners and masters in, and would omit it.
      MR. AUSTIN TAYLORsaid he admitted that the Home Secretary had endeavoured to meet the difficulties of the situation. What was the position? The alien who was landed in this country before the passage of the Act was, of course, the property of the country. Then as regarded the alien who was admitted by an immigration officer, there was not the slightest reason why he should be th own as a charge on the shipowner. But there was another class which did not arrive by immigrant ships. In the case of a first-class passenger from Calais o Dover, it was impossible for a shipmaster to protect himself. In three months such a passenger might be a lunatic; or in the case of a woman a prostitute. He entirely agreed with his hon. friend and colleague the Member for the Exchange Division of Liverpool, that this clause was very hard on the shipping companies. They had made representations to the right hon. Gentleman, and he had met them to a large extent, but he still thought that if this sub-section was taken out altogether it would do the Bill no harm.
      MR. EMMOTTsaid he desired to put three cases to the Attorney-General. The first case was the case of the cabin passenger who came over from Calais to Dover, was subsequently, within six months, convicted of crime, and against whom an expulsion order was made. Would the owners of the Dover-Calais steamer have to take that man back? Would they have to pay any bill which the Home Secretary chose to present to them, or for the cost of the man's custody after he had been adjudged guilty of that crime? If so, did the Home Secretary consider that it was a proper and reasonable change to make in the law? The second case

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      was that of a man who came in a ship which was not an immigrant ship and who had been convicted of some crime and become, even for an odd week, a pauper—or who had been for a few days a vagrant, and against whom an expulsion order was made. Was it a proper thing that that man should be carried back by the master of the ship which brought him—perhaps some little fishing smack? And how were they going to find the shipmaster—how was it going to be worked at all? The third case was that of the psuedo-transmigrant—the man who came in pretending he was a transmigrant, but who did not leave this country for a foreign country. Now, why should the pseudo-transmigrant be sent abroad at the expense of the shipowner, rather than at the expense of the country? They were introducing new legislation on national grounds, because these aliens, were said to do harm here—harm in regard to overcrowding and in regard to lowering the standard of life. Very well, on national grounds these men were to be kept out: but they were to be kept out at the cost of the shipowner! Well, that was not fair; it was not an English way of doing it.
      MR. SYDNEY BUXTONsaid he had no sympathy with the shipowners, and he thought, generally, that it was quite right to put the expense upon those who made the profit. Bat this particular clause was on an entirely different footing. If he understood the position rightly, the shipowners who would be affected were not those who made a profit by bringing these alien immigrants to this country, upon whom the charge could be properly placed, bat those shipowners whose trade was a general trade in connection with which the bringing over of an occasional immigrant was only an incident. He did not think those shipowners should be pat to the trouble of distinguishing between those who were ordinary passengers and those who might be immigrants. The shipowners whose business was carrying immigrants certainly ought to be compelled to carry out a proper supervision, but it was not fair, in his opinion, to lay the burden on the
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      shipowner who only brought over one immigrant among thousands of other passengers. He certainly thought the Question put by his hon. friend the senior Member for Oldham required an Answer before a division was taken on the clause. He himself had listened to this debate? with an open mind, and he had come to the conclusion, after hearing the speeches made, that if this charge was put on this particular class of shipowners a considerable injustice would be inflicted.
      THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL (Sir ROBERT FINLAY,)said the course taken in regard to this subsection was not calculated to encourage the Government in making concessions. His right hon. friend had put down an Amendment which, he ventured to think, he could satisfy the Committee removed every reasonable grievance that could be brought forward, yet the result was that the hon. Gentleman who had moved the omission of the sub-section seemed to be rather angry at what he considered his? legitimate cause of complaint being taken away from him. It had been said that the sub-section as amended would not apply to those who were engaged in the regular business of bringing immigrants to this country. But it had been overlooked that, for the convenience of the shipowners, and very largely at their instance, they had allowed the immigrants to be conditionally disembarked for the purposes of examination. During that time the shipowner was responsible for them, and if during that time they were allowed to escape, was it unreasonable to say that the shipowner should be bound to take them back to the country from whence they came? If this sub-section were struck out, however, shipowners would be relieved of that liability. With regard to aliens who committed crimes in this country, or became chargeable to the Poor Law, it was eminently desirable that they should be expelled from the country; and nothing could be more reasonable than that the cost of taking away such people should be borne by those who brought them here. If the result of the provision were to make shipowners more cautious in. bringing over undesirable aliens it would have attained its object.
      MR. EMMOTT: Will the right hon. Gentleman reply with regard to the Calais and Dover traffic?
      SIR ROBERT FINLAYsaid the provision would apply to the case of all aliens coming into the country, even though they did not come to an immigration port.
      MR. EMMOTT: How are they to make the necessary inquiries as to character?
      SIR ROBERT FINLAYsaid if it was found impossible to find the shipowner who brought them that would entirely remove the hardship from the shipowner. As to character it was much more likely that, something would be known at the port of embarkation than in this country.
      MR. ASQUITH (Fifeshire, E.)said it would, perhaps, be difficult to award among the proposals of the Bill the prize for illogical sequence and practical futility, but he was disposed to think that in any such competition the present sub-section had a very good chance. It would be unfair in any circumstances to throw upon the shipowner the cost of the expulsion or the j repatriation of the undesirable alien; but the sub-section created an absolutely absurd position. If the shipowner brought over a whole cargo of aliens who passed the immigration officer, and if all of them turned out to be undesirable in character within six months, he would not be subjected to the cost of their expulsion; if he brought them in batches of less than twenty, so that they would not have to go through the immigration office at all, and they turned out to be undesirable, he would have to pay the cost of repatriating them; and if they came as cabin passengers one by one with all the outward appearances of good character and, social position, but with evil designs in their hearts, and within six months an expulsion order was made against them, he would have to pay the cost. It was impossible to conceive a greater Chinese puzzle than that.
      MR. LEIF JONES (Westmoreland, Appleby)said that until he heard the speeches of the Home Secretary and the Attorney- General he thought that he understood this clause, but that was
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      certainly not the case now. The right hon. Gentleman stated that it was necessary to have some control over the shipowner or shipmaster who might allow aliens to escape from custody. But under the Bill there was no power to issue an expulsion order against an alien on the ground that he had escaped from the custody of a shipowner.
      SIR ROBERT FINLAYsaid such a man would not be exempt from expulsion if he were found.
      MR. LEIF JONESsaid it was not an offence under the Bill to escape from custody, and as the clause dealt solely with aliens against whom an expulsion order had been made he did not see that such a case as he suggested was covered, by the clause at all.
      SIR ROBERT FINLAYsaid the escape by itself would not render a man liable to expulsion, but it would not give him immunity for any crime he might have committed.
      MR. LEIF JONESthought it would be much better to withdraw the section altogether, inasmuch as it would not deal with the particular case it was said to be intended to cover. The universal opinion of the Committee was that it would be unfair to throw this burden upon the shipowners in the interest of the nation.
      MR. DAVID MACIVERbelieved the retention of the sub-section would have a deterrent effect in regard to the importation of undesirable aliens. Similar provisions to those here proposed were in operation and worked satisfactorily in nearly every other country in the world, and it was unnecessary to go further afield than the Channel Islands for an example of what this sub-section could do. The difficulty of the cross-Channel traffic would apply there as much as here, but it was there provided that the shipowner or owners who brought an alien to the islands should be held liable for the expense of his removal in the event of his becoming chargeable on any parish in the islands within a year and a day

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      of his arrival. A similar liability was imposed with regard to cost of maintenance within a certain period. Those provisions had been in full operation for years; the authorities had experienced no difficulty in carrying them out, and they had certainly proved very effectual in restricting the admission of undesirable aliens. Seeing that such provisions were in successful operation so near to our own shores, he failed to see how any case could be made out against their enactment here.
      MR. HARWOODsaid the genesis of this apparently absurd clause was really very simple. No provision existed for the detention of these aliens pending examination, and in order to avoid having to make that provision this most absurd clause had been inserted. The common sense of the question was that if these people were to be kept for examination the authorities should provide the security for their detention. It was their business to do so, and not the business of the shipowner. As to the liability of shipowners for passengers they had brought over, no record of the passengers was kept, and it would be impossible to prove by what particular line a man had come over. The section was really absurd.
      MR. PERKSsaid the difficulties in connection with this matter had not been in the least exaggerated, especially in regard to cross-Channel trade. The Home Secretary seemed to have forgotten that there were lines of steamers belonging to foreign Governments concerned in that trade. If undesirable aliens were brought over in the ships of the Belgian State Line, would the penalties be imposed on the captain of the steamer? Similarly, were the North of France Railway Company to be called upon to keep a record of all the people they carried on their steamers between Calais and Dover? Then in the case of the steamers of the South-Eastern Railway Company, were the captains, instead of remaining on the bridge, to go ferreting about inquiring into the character and antecedents of their passengers? The more the clause was examined the more
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      ludicrous and impracticable it became, and it was impossible to see how it could be enforced.
      MR. GIBSON BOWLESsaid that this sub-section was a confession of the futility and ineffectual character of every section of the Bill. What was to happen in the case of a man who within a certain time of his arrival was found to have committed a felony? Although the mail had been specially examined, passed as morally, physically, and financially sound, and therefore had given security such as was not required, for an ordinary inhabitant, yet the shipowner who brought him over was to be called upon at his own charge to take him back whence he came. If the Amendment of the Attorney-General was to be passed what was the use of all this. It was admitted that these aliens would still be able to dribble in after this Bill was passed without any control whatever, and they could not prevent such infiltration of undesirable aliens as had been suggested. This sub-section, even with the Amendment of the Attorney-General, was a confession that the whole arrangement was in-effectual, because what were put forward as securities in the Bill were not securities at all.
      MR. CHURCHILLsaid the speech of the hon. Member opposite illustrated one of the disadvantages under which they were forced to conduct this debate. The Government did not intend to make the smallest concession to arguments in that House. All the Government had to do was to sit still and wait until he guillotine fell. Nobody could deny that they were now being asked to make the Imperial Parliament responsible for an absurdity. This provision, as amended, was unworkable. The right hon. Gentleman had made a concession, and yet he had preserved all the restrictions against the shipowners. The right hon. Gentleman said that this Bill could not be applied to cabin passengers, and yet what was considered too complicated for the Government was now being imposed upon the shipowners to carry out. It was a very wrong thing to impose liabilities upon shipowners in respect of matters which were entirely beyond

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      their control and to impose upon law abiding citizens duties which they knew they could not perform. He had listened to the Attorney-General with a good deal of sympathy. They knew he possessed a most marvellous brain and talents but, owing to the exigencies of the political situation, the right hon. and learned Gentleman had to devote his great abilities to defending propositions which he knew were arrant nonsense, and which he knew were indefensible in theory and unworkable in practice. It was no use their arguing the question further because the Government majority was at hand. It might not matter much to those opposed to the Government how ridiculous they made themselves by their legislation, but when legislation which was plainly unworkable was brought forward the whole fabric of the law was brought under suspicion and contempt.
      SIR ROBERT FINLAYread, in reply to the criticisms which had been made, the 11th Section of the United States Act of 1891, which provided that any alien coming in in violation of the law might be returned as by law provided within one year after his arrival at the expense of the company or vessel which brought him, and if that could not be done, then he was to be returned at
      the expense of the United States. They could also return any alien who had become a public charge within a year from certain causes laid down in the Act. In the other case alluded to, the alien could be proceeded against as a rogue and a vagabond.
      *SIR CHARLES DILKEsaid the Attorney-General seemed to think that he had answered their case by quoting the law of the United States, but that had no bearing whatever upon this question. The practical difficulties were those which concerned the cross-Channel traffic. The great difficulty was the state of things described by the hon. Member for Louth, for in the cross-Channel traffic there could not be any attempt made to identify any person, and it would be impossible to apply such a system to that traffic. The French Government had long since given up attempting to provide for the supervision of the traffic across the Lake of Geneva from Switzerland even in time of war.
      Question put.
      The Committee divided:—Ayes, 221; Noes, 172, (Division List No. 264.)

      Galloway, William Johnson

      Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft

      Round, Rt. Hon. James

      Gardner, Ernest

      Lucas,Reginald J.(Portsmouth

      Royds, Clement Molyrneux

      Garfit, William

      Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred

      Rutherford, John (Lancashire)

      Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H.

      Macdona, John Cumming

      Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)

      Godson, Sir AngustusFrederick

      Maclver, David (Liverpool)

      Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-

      Gordon, Hn.J.E.(Elgin&Nairn

      M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)

      Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

      Gordon, Maj.Evans-(T'rH'mlet

      M'lver, SirLewis (Edinburgh)

      Samuel, SirHarryS,(Limehouse

      Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir JohnEldon

      M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)

      Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert

      Gosehen Hon.George Joachim

      Malcolm, Ian

      Scott, Sir a (Marleybone, W.)

      Goulding, Edward Alfred

      Manners, Lord Cecil

      Sharpe, William Edward T.

      Graham, Henry Robert

      Marks, Harry Hananel

      Smith, H.C(North'mb.Tyneside

      Greene, HenryD.(Shrewsbury)

      Martin, Richard Biddulph

      Smith,Rt Hn J Parker(Lanarks

      Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.)

      Melville, Beresford Valentine

      Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)

      Grenfell, William Henry

      Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M.

      Spear, John Ward

      Hain, Edward

      Middlemore, JohnThrogmorton

      Stanley,Edward Jas.(somerset

      Hall, Edward Marshall

      Midmay, Francis Bingham

      Stanley,Rt.Hon.Lord (Lancs,

      Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F.

      Milner, Rt. Hn. Sir FrederickG.

      Stewart, Sir Hark J. M'Taggart

      Hamilton, Marq.of(L'nd'nderry

      Milvain, Thomas

      Stirling, Maxwell, Sir John M.

      Hardy, Laurence(Kent,Ashford

      Mitchell, William (Burnley)

      Stock, James Henry

      Hare, Thomas Leigh

      Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

      Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley

      Haslam, Sir Alfred S.

      Morgan, DavidJ.(Walthamstow

      Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester

      Hay, Hon. Claude George

      Morrell, Geogre Herbert

      Talbot, Rt.Hn.J.G.(Oxf'dUniv

      Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley

      Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer

      Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)

      Heath, Sir James(StaffordsNW

      Mount, William Arthur

      Thorburn, Sir Walter

      Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford,W

      Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)

      Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.

      Hill, Henry Staveley

      Myers, William Henry

      Tuff, Charles

      Hoare, Sir Samuel

      Nicholson, William Graham

      Tuke, Sir John Batty

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury

      Turnour, Viscount

      Hope, J. F.(Sheffield,Brightside

      Parkes, Ebenezer

      Vincent, Col. Sir C E H (Sheffi'd

      Hoult, Joseph

      Peel, Hn. Wm.RobertWellesley

      Walrond, Rt.Hn.Sir WilliamH.

      Hozier, Hon. James Henry Cecil

      Percy, Earl

      Warde, Colonel C. E,

      Hunt,, Rowland

      Pierpoint, Robert

      Welby, Lt.-Col. A.C.E.(Taunton

      Jameson, Major J. Eustace

      Pilkington, Colonel Richard

      Welby, Sir Chas. G. E. (Notts.)

      Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse

      Plummer, Sir Walter R.

      Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd

      Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Whiteley, H.(Ashton-und-Lyne

      Kenyon, Hon.Geo.T.(Denbigh.

      Pretyman, Ernest George

      Whitmore,Charles Algernon

      Kenyon-Slaney, Rt.Hon.Col.W

      Pryce-Jones, Lt.-col. Edward

      Williams, Colonel R, (Dorset

      Kerr, John

      Purvis, Robert

      Wilson, John (Glasgow)

      Kimber, Sir Henry

      Rankin, Sir James

      Wilson-Todd, Sir W. H.(Yorks)

      King, Sir Henry Seymour

      Rasch, Sir Frederic Carue

      Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm

      Lambton, Hon. Frederick W m

      Reid, James (Greenock)

      Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson

      Laurie, Lieut.-General

      Remnant, James Farquharson

      Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George

      Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow

      Renwick, George

      Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H.

      Lee, ArthurH.(Hants.Fareham

      Ridley, S. Forde

      Younger, William.

      Legge, Col. Hon. Henage

      Ritchie,Rt.Hn.Chas.Thomson

      Lockwood, Lieut-Col. A. R.

      Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield

      Long, Col. Charles W.(Evesham

      Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—

      Long, Rt.Hn. Walter(Bristol.S.

      Rolleston, Sir John F.L.

      Sir Alexander Acland-Hood

      Lowe, Francis William

      Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye

      and Viscount Valentia.

      Loyd, Archie Kirkman

      NOES.

      Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.

      Broadhurst, Henry

      Cullinan, J.

      Abraham, William (Rhondda

      Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson

      Dalziel, James Henry

      Ainsworth, John Stirling

      Bryce, Rt. Hon, James

      Davies, M. Vauaghan(Cardigan

      Allen, Charles P.

      Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn

      Delany, William

      Ambrose, Robert

      Burke, E Haviland.

      Devlin, CharlesRamsey(Galway

      Ashton, Thomas Gair

      Burt, Thomas

      Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.

      Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herbert Henry

      Buxton,N.E.(York,NR,Whitby

      Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles

      Atherley-Jones, L.

      Buxton, SydneyCharles(Poplar

      Dobbie, Joseph

      Austin, Sir John

      Caldwell, James

      Donclan, Captain A.

      Barlow, John Emmott

      Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H.

      Doogan, P. C.

      Beaumont, Wentworth C. B.

      Cawley, Frederick

      Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark

      Black, Alexander William

      Channing, Francis Allston

      Duncan, J. Hastings

      Boland, John

      Cheetham, John, Frederick

      Duun, Sir William

      Bolton, Thomas Dolling

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      Edwards, Frank

      Bowles, T. Gibson (King'sLynn

      Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark)

      Elibank, Master of

      Brigg, John

      Cremer, William Randal

      Ellis, John Edward (Notts.)

      Bright, Allan Heywood

      Crombie, John William

      Fenwick, Charles

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      305

      Field, William

      Lyell, Charles Henry

      Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

      Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N. E.

      MacNeill, John Gordon Swift

      Schwann, Charles E.

      Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond

      Macveagh, Jeremiah

      Shackleton, David James

      Flavin, Michael Joseph

      M'Kean, John

      Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)

      Flynn, James Christopher

      M'Kenna, Reginald

      Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)

      Fowler, Rt. Hn. Sir Henry

      M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin

      Sheehy, David

      Fuller, J. M. F.

      Mansfield, Horace Rendall

      Shipman, Dr. John G.

      Gladstone, Rt. Hn.Herbert John

      Mappin, Sir Frederick Thorpe

      Sinclair, John (Forfarshire

      Grey, Rt. Hn. Sir E. (Berwick

      Markham, Arthur Basil

      Slack, John Bamford

      Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton

      Mooney, John J.

      Smith, Samuel (Flint)

      Hammond, John

      Morgan, J. Lloyd(Carmarthen)

      Soares, Ernest J.

      Harcourt, Lewis

      Moulton, John Fletcher

      Spencer,Rt,Hn.C.R.(Northants

      Hardie, J.Keir(MerthyrTydvil

      Murphy, John

      Stanhope, Hon. Philip James

      Harmsworth, R. Leicester

      Nolan, Col. John P. (GalwayN.

      Sullivan, Donal

      Harwood, George

      Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

      Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe

      Hayden, John Patrick

      Nussey, Thomas Willans

      Tennant, Harold John

      Hayter, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur D

      O'Brien, Kendal (TipperaryMid

      Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen,E.

      Helme, Norval Watson

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.

      Henderson, Arthur (Durham)

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

      Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.)

      Higham, John Sharp

      O'Connor James Wicklow, W

      Thomkinson, James

      Holland, Sir William Henry

      O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

      Toulmin, George

      Hutchinson, Dr.CharlesFredk.

      O'Dowd, John

      Trevelyan, Charles Philips

      Hutton, Alfred E. Morley

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      Wallace, Robert

      Jacoby, James Alfred

      O'Malley, William

      Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.

      Joicey, Sir James

      O'Mara, James

      Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan

      Jones, David Brynmor(Swansea

      O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

      Wason, JohnCatchart (Orkney

      Jones, Leif (Appleby)

      Parrott, William

      Weir, James Galloway

      Jones, William (Carnarvonsh.

      Perks, Robert William

      White, Luke (York, E. R.

      Joyce, Michael

      Philipps, John Wynford

      Whiteley, George (York, W.R.

      Kennedy, Vincent P.(Cavan,W

      Pirie, Duncan, V.

      Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

      Kitson, Sir James

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull, W.

      Lambert, George

      Price, Robert John

      Wilson, Fred.W.(Norfolk,Mid.

      Lamont, Norman

      Rea, Russell

      Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.

      Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal,W.

      Reddy, M.

      Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)

      Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)

      Redmond, John E.(Waterford

      Wilson, J. W.(Worcestersh.N.

      Layland-Barratt, Francis

      Rickett, J. Compton.

      Woodhouse, SirJT. (Hudddersf'

      Leese, SirJosephF. (Accrington

      Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)

      Yoxall, James Henry

      Leng, Sir John

      Roe, Sir Thomas

      Levy, Maurice

      Rose, Charles Day

      TELLERS FOR THE NOES—

      Lewis, John Herbert

      Runciman, Walter

      Mr. Emmott, and Mr. Wins-

      Lloyd-George, David

      Russell, T. W.

      ton Churchill.

      Lundon, W.

      Samuel, Herbert L. ((Cleveland

      Amendment proposed—
      "In page S, line 39, after the word 'alien,' to insert the words 'not being an alien who last entered the United Kingdom before the commencement of the Act, or an immigrant in whose case leave to land has been given under this Act."'—(Mr. Akers-Douglas.)
      Amendment agreed to.
      MR. CLAUDE HAYmoved an Amendment for the purpose of extending from six months to one year the liability of the shipmasters for expenses under Sub-section 2 of Clause 4 in respect of an alien against whom an expulsion order was made. He considered that the period of six months was far too short. When an alien came to this country it would be very unlikely that be would at once prove himself to
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      be undesirable. An alien might come here with enough means to support himself for a time and subsequently become a charge on the rates. Surely six months would be a very short time for a case to be proved against him sufficiently for an expulsion order to be made. They must remember also that Government Departments were slow, and that inquiries would necessarily take time.
      Amendment proposed—
      "In page 3, line 40, to leave out the words 'six months,' and insert the words 'one year.'"—(Mr. Claude Hay.)
      Question proposed, "That the words 'six months' stand part of the clause."
      MR. AKERS-DOUGLASsaid he fully sympathised with the desire expressed

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      by the hem. Gentleman that they should take every safeguard they possibly could, not to prevent the undesirable alien from being expelled. Those who had listened to the debate that afternoon would see that there were a great many restrictions put on the shipowner and shipmaster. He thought they could not continue the liability under this subsection for more than six months. He did. not think there was any substance in his hon. friend's objection that the process of administration under this Act would be so slow and cumbrous as to justify the alteration in the sub-section which he proposed.
      MR. CLAUDE HAYasked leave to withdraw the Amendment.
      Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
      MR. RUNCIMANmoved the omission of the words in Subsection 2 of Clause 4 making shipmasters liable to pay to the Secretary of State as a debt due to the Crown any sums paid by the Secretary of State under the section in connection with aliens who were brought to this country in their ships, and who were returned under expulsion orders. He and his friends contended that the expenses incurred for the punishment of an alien should not be defrayed by the owner or master of the ship in which the alien came to this country. That expense should be an ordinary charge for the administration of justice in this country.

      AYES.

      Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

      Banbury, Sir Frederick George

      Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropah.)

      Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

      Barry, Sir Francis T.(Windsor

      Brymer, William Ernest

      Allhusen, August usHenry Eden

      Bartley, Sir George C. T.

      Butcher, John George

      Allsopp, Hon. George

      Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin

      Campbell,Rt.Hn.J.A. (Glasgow

      Anson, Sir William Reynell

      Bentinck, Lord Henry C

      Carson, Rt, Hon. Sir Edw. H.

      Arkwright, John Stanhope

      Bhownaggree, Sir M.M.

      Cavendish, V. C. W.(Derbyshire

      Arroll, Sir William

      Bignold, Sir Arthur

      Cayzer, Sir Charles William

      Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John

      Bigwood, James

      Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

      Aubrey-Fletcher,Rt.Hon.SirH.

      Bill, Charles

      Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)

      Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy

      Bingham, Lord

      Chamberlain, Rt.Hn.J.A.(Worc

      Bailey, James (Walworth

      Blundell, Colonel Henry

      Chamberlayne, T. (S'thampton

      Bain, Colonel James Robert

      Bond, Edward

      Chaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry

      Baird, John George Alexander

      Bousfield, William Robert

      Chapman, Edward

      Baldwin, Alfred

      Bowles, Lt.-Col.H F (Middlesex

      Clive, Percy Captain A.

      Balfour, Rt. Hn. A.J.(Manch'r)

      Bowles, T. Gibson(King'sLynn

      Coates, Edward Feetham

      Balfour, Rt.Hn.GeraldW(Leeds

      Brassey, Albert

      Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

      Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.

      Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John

      Coghill, Douglas Harry

      Amendment proposed—
      "In page 4, line 3, to leave out from the word 'shall,' to the end of line 5."—(Mr. Runciman.)
      Question proposed, "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the clause."
      MR. AKERS-DOUGLASsaid the obligation was laid on the shipowner to find a passage for an expelled alien. He did not see that the Government could accept the Amendment if for no other reason than that by so doing they would stultify themselves in regard to the action taken during the past two hours with respect to the liability of shipowners.
      MR. EMMOTTasked whether a Belgian shipmaster who had brought an Austrian to this country could be asked to pay under this section if an expulsion order was granted against that alien on account of his having been adjudged guilty of an offence.
      MR. GIBSON BOWLESasked what would be done to get payment if the shipowner or shipmaster was a foreigner. Would they put an embargo on his ship?
      SIR ROBERT FINLAYsaid that Subsection 2 of Clause 7 incorporated in this Act certain portions of the Merchant Shipping Act, 1894, with reference to the enforcement of payment.
      Question put.
      The Committee divided:—Ayes, 223; Noes, 172. (Division List No. 265.)

      Cohen, Benjamin Louis

      Hoult, Joseph

      Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne

      Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole

      Howard, J.(Midd.,Tottenham)

      Ratcliff, R. F.

      Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow

      Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil

      Reid, James (Greenock)

      Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge

      Hunt, Rowland

      Remnant, James Farquharson

      Cross, Alexander (Glasgow)

      Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse

      Renwick, George

      Cubitt, Hon. Henry

      Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred

      Ridley, S. Forde

      Davenport, William Bromley

      Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T.(Denbigh

      Ritchie, Rt. Hn.Chas.Thomson

      Denny, Colonel

      Kenyon-Slaney, Rt.Hon,Col. W

      Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield

      Dickson, Charles Scott

      Kerr, John

      Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

      Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph

      Kimber, Sir Henry

      Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

      Dixon-Hartland, SirFredDixon

      Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.

      Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye

      Dorington, Rt. Hn. Sir John E

      Laurie, Lieut.-General

      Round, Rt. Hon. James

      Doughty, Sir George

      Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)

      Royds, Clement Molyneux

      Douglas, Rt. Hon. F. Akers-

      Lawson, Hn.H.L.W.(MileEnd)

      Rutherford, John (Lancashire)

      Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir WilliamHart

      Lee, ArthurH.(Hants.,Fareham

      Rutherford, W.W. (Liverpool

      Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton

      Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

      Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

      Elliot, Hon. A. Ralph Douglas,

      Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.

      Samuel, SirHarryS.(Limehouse

      Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.

      Long, Col. Charles W.(Evesham

      Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert

      Faber, George Denison (York)

      Long, Rt,Hn.Walter(Bristol, S.

      Scott, Sir S. (Marleybone, W.)

      Fardell, Sir T. George

      Lowe, Francis William

      Seton-Karr, Sir Henry

      Fellowes, Rt HnAilwyn Edward

      Loyd, Archie Kirkman

      Sharpe, William Edward T.

      Fergusson, Rt.Hn.SirJ.(Mane'r

      Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft

      Smith, HC.(North'mb.Tyneside

      Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.

      Lucas,Reginald J.(Portsmouth)

      Smith, Rt HnJ.Parker(Lanarks

      Finlay, Sir R.B.(Inv'rn'ssBghs)

      Lyttelton, Rt. Hn. Alfred

      Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)

      fisher, William Hayes

      Macdona, John Cumming

      Spear, John Ward

      FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose

      MacIver, David (Liverpool)

      Stanley,EdwardJas. (Somerset

      Flower, Sir Ernest

      M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)

      Stanley.Rt.Hn. Lord (Lancs.)

      Forster, Henry William

      M'Iver,SirLewis (EdinburghW

      Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.

      Foster,Philip S(Warwick,S,W.

      M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire

      Stock, James Henry

      Galloway, William Johnson

      Manners, Lord Cecil

      Stone, Sir Benjamin

      Gardner, Ernest

      Marks, Harry Hananel

      Stroyan, John

      Garfit, William

      Martin, Richard Biddulph

      Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley

      Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H.

      Melville, Beresford Valentine

      Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

      Godson, Sir AugustusFrederick

      Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M.

      Talbot, Rt Hn J.G.(Oxf'dUniv.

      Gordon,Maj Evans-(T'r H'mlets

      Middlemore, JohnThrogmorton

      Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)

      Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon

      Mildmay, Francis Bingham

      Thorburn, Sir Walter

      Goschen, Hon. George Joachim

      Milner, Rt. Hn. Sir FrederickG.

      Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.

      Graham, Henry Robert

      Milvain, Thomas

      Tuff, Charles

      Greene, Henry D.(Shrewsbury

      Mitchell, William (Burnley

      Tuke, Sir John Batty

      Grenfell, William Henry

      Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

      Vincent, Col. SirC EH(Sheffield

      Greville, Hon. Ronald

      Morgan,DavidJ.(Walthamstow

      Walrond, Rt.Hn.SirWilliamH.

      Hain, Edward

      Morrell, George Herbert

      Warde, Colonel C. E.

      Hall, Edward Marshall

      Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer

      Welby, Lt,-Col.A.C.E.(Taunton

      Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F.

      Mount, William Arthur

      Welby,Sir CbarlesG.E.(Notts.)

      Hambro, Charles Eric

      Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.

      Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd

      Hamilton, Marq.of(L'nd'nderry

      Myers, William Henry

      Whiteley, H.(Ashton und. Lyne

      Hardy,Laurence(Kent, Ashford

      Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury)

      Whitmore, Charles Algernon

      Hare, Thomas Leigh

      Parkes, Ebenezer

      Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)

      Haslam, Sir Alfred S.

      Peel, Hn.Wm.Robert Wellesley.

      Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.

      Hay, Hon. Claude George

      Percy, Earl

      Wilson-Todd, Sir W.H.(Yorks.

      Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley

      Pierpoint, Robert;

      Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm

      Heath,Sir James(Staffords. NW

      Pilkington, Colonel Richard

      Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson

      Heaton, John Henniker

      Plummer, Sir Walter R.

      Wyndham, Rt. Hon, George

      Henderson, Sir A.(Stafford,W.)

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H.

      Hill, Henry Staveley

      Pretyman, Ernest George

      Younger, William

      Hoare, Sir Samuel

      Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Purvis, Robert

      Sir Alexander Acland-Hood

      Hope, J.F.(Sheffield,Brightside

      Rankin, Sir James

      and Viscount Valentia.

      NOES.

      Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.

      Austin, Sir John

      Broadhurst, Henry

      Abraham, William (Rhondda)

      Barlow, John Emmott

      Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson

      Ainsworth, John Stirling

      Beaumont, Wentworth, C. B.

      Bryce, Rt. Hon. James

      Allen, Charles P.

      Black, Alexander William

      Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn

      Ambrose, Robert

      Boland, John

      Burke, E. Haviland-

      Ashton, Thomas Gair

      Bolton, Thomas Dolling

      Burt, Thomas

      Asquith, Rt.Hn.HerbertHenry

      Brigg, John

      Buxton,NE.(York, NR. Whitby

      Atherley-Jones, L.

      Bright, Allan Heywood

      Buxton, SydneyCharles(Poplar

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      311

      Caldwell, James

      Jacoby, James Alfred

      Reckitt, Harold James

      Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H.

      Joicey, Sir James

      Reddy, M.

      Cawley, Frederick

      Jones, David Brynmor(Swansea

      Redmond, John E. (Waterford

      Channing, Francis Allston

      Jones, Leif (Appleby)

      Rickett, J. Compton

      Cheetham, John Frederick

      Jones William, (Carnarvonsh.

      Roe, Sir Thomas

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      Joyce, Michael

      Rose, Charles Day

      Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark)

      Kearley, Hudson E.

      Russell, T. W.

      Cremer, William Randal

      Kennedy,Vincent P.(Cavan,W.

      Samuel Herbert L. (Cleveland)

      Crombie, John William

      Kitson, Sir James

      Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

      Cullinan, J.

      Lambert, George

      Schwann, Charles E.

      Dalziel, James Henry

      Lamont, Norman

      Shackleton, David James

      Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan

      Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)

      Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)

      Delany, William

      Layland-Barratt, Francis

      Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)

      Devlin, CharlesRamsay(Galwa

      Leese, Sir JosephF.(Accrington

      Sheehy, David

      Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.

      Leng, Sir John

      Shipman, Dr. John G.

      Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles

      Levy, Maurice

      Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)

      Dobbie, Joseph

      Lewis, John Herbert

      Slack, John Bamford

      Donelan, Captain A.

      Lough, Thomas

      Smith, Samuel (Flint)

      Doogan, P. C.

      Lundon, W.

      Spencer, Rt. Hn. C. R. (Northants

      Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)

      Lyell, Charles Henry

      Stanhope, Hon. Philip James

      Duncan, J. Hastings

      MacNeill, John Gordon Swift

      Sullivan, Donal

      Dunn, Sir William

      MacVeagh, Jeremiah

      Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe

      Edwards, Frank

      M,Arthur, William (Cornwall

      Tennant, Harold John

      Elibank, Master of

      M'Kean, John

      Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)

      Ellis, John Edward (Notts.)

      M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin

      Thomas,Sir A.(Glamorgan, E.

      Evans, SirFrancisH.(Maidstone

      Mansfield, Horace Rendall

      Thomson, F. W. (York, W.R.)

      Eve, Harry Trelawney

      Markham, Arthur Basil

      Tomkinson, James

      Fenwick, Charles

      Mooney, John J.

      Toulmin, George

      Field, William

      Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen

      Trevelyan, Charles Philips

      Findlay,Alexander(Lanark,NE

      Moulton, John Fletcher

      Wallace, Robert

      Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond

      Murphy, John

      Walton, John Lawson(Leeds,S.

      Flavin, Michael Joseph

      Nolan, Col. John P.(Galway,N

      Warner, Thomas Courtenay, T.

      Flynn, James Christopher

      Nolan, Joseph (Louth South)

      Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan

      Fowler, Rt. Hn. Sir Henry

      Nussey, Thomas Willans

      Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney

      Fuller, J. M. F.

      O'Brien,Kendal (TipperaryMid

      Weir, James Galloway

      Gladstone, Rt.Hn.HerbertJohn

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      White, Luke (York, E.R.)

      Grey, Rt. Hn. Sir E. (Berwick)

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

      Whiteley, George (York, W.R.

      Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton

      O'Connor, James (Wicklow,W

      Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

      Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B

      O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

      Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull, W.

      Hammond, John

      O'Dowd, John

      Wilson, Fred.W.(Norfolk,Mid.

      Hardie, J.Keir(MerthyrTydvil

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R.).

      Harmsworth, R. Leicester

      O'Malley, William

      Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)

      Harwood, George

      O'Mara, James

      Wilson, J.W. (Worcestersh. N.

      Hayden, John Patrick

      Parrott, William

      Woodhouse, Sir JT(Huddersf'd

      Hayter, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur D.

      Perks, Robert William

      Yoxall, James Henry

      Helme, Norval Watson

      Philipps, John Wynford

      Henderson, Arthur (Durham)

      Pirie, Duncan V.

      TELLERS FOR THE NOES—

      Higham, John Sharp

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      Mr. Runciman and Mr.

      Holland, Sir William Henry

      Price, Robert John

      Emmott.

      Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C.

      Priestley, Arthur

      Hutchinson, Dr. CharlesFredk.

      Rea, Russell

      Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

      Question put, "That the clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill."

      AYES.

      Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

      Baird, John George Alexander

      Bigwood, James

      Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

      Balcarres, Lord

      Bill, Charles

      Allhusen,Augustus Henry Eden

      Baldwin, Alfred

      Bingham, Lord

      Allsopp, Hon. George

      Balfour,Rt.Hon.A.J.(Manch'r

      Blundell, Colonel Henry

      Anson, Sir William Reynell

      Balfour,RtHnGeraldW. (Leeds

      Bond, Edward

      Arkwright, John Stanhope

      Banbury, Sir Frederick George

      Bousfield, William Robert

      Arrol, Sir William

      Barry, Sir Francis T. (Windsor

      Bowles,Lt.-Col.H.F.(Middlesex

      Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John

      Bartley, Sir George C. T.

      Brassey, Albert

      Aubrey-Fletcher,Rt.Hon.SirH.

      Bathurst, Hon. AllenBenjamin

      Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John

      Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy

      Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

      Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropsh.)

      Bailey, James (Walworth)

      Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.

      Brymer, William Ernest

      Bain, Colonel James Robert

      Bignold, Sir Arthur

      Bull, William James

      The Committee divided:—Ayes, 234; Noes, 175. (Division List No. 266.)

      Butcher, John George

      Hare, Thomas Leigh

      Plummer, Sir Walter R.

      Buxton,SydneyCharles(Poplar

      Haslam, Sir Alfred S.

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Campbell,Rt.Hn.J.A.(Glasgow

      Heath,ArthurHoward(Hanley

      Pretyman, Ernest George

      Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.

      Heath, SirJames(Staffords.NW

      Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

      Cavendish, V. C.W.(Derbyshire

      Heaton, John Henniker

      Purvis, Robert

      Cayzer, Sir Charles William

      Henderson, Sir A.(Stafford, W.)

      Rankin, Sir James

      Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

      Hill, Henry Staveley

      Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne

      Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)

      Hoare, Sir Samuel

      Ratcliff, R. F.

      Chamberlain,RtHn.J. A.(Worc.

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Reed, Sir Edw. James(Cardiff)

      Chamberlayne, T. (S'thampton.

      Hope,J.F.(Sheffield,Brightside)

      Reid, James (Greenock)

      Chapman, Edward

      Hoult, Joseph

      Remnant, James Farquharson

      Clive, Captain Percy A.

      Howard, J.(Midd., Tottenham)

      Renwick, George

      Coates, Edward Feetham

      Hozier.Hon. James HenryCecil

      Ridley, S. Forde

      Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

      Hunt, Rowland

      Ritchie,Rt. Hon. Chas. Thomson

      Coghill, Douglas Harry

      Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse

      Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)

      Cohen, Benjamin Louis

      Jeffroys,Rt. Hon. ArthurFred.

      Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

      Colston Chas. Edw. H. Athole

      Kenyon,Hon.Geo.T.(Denbigh)

      Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

      Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow)

      Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hon. Col. W.

      Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye

      Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)

      Kerr, John

      Round, Rt. Hon. James

      Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge

      Kimber, Sir Henry

      Rutherford, John (Lancashire)

      Cripps, Charles Alfred

      King, Sir Henry Seymour

      Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)

      Cross, Alexander (Glasgow)

      Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.

      Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

      Cubitt, Hon. Henry

      Lamont, Norman

      Samuel, SirHarryS.(Limehouse

      Dalkeith, Earl of

      Laurie, Lieut.-General

      Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert

      Davenport, W. Bromley-

      Law,AndrewBonar(Glasgow)

      Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)

      Denny, Colonel

      Lawson, Hn.H.L.W.(MileEnd)

      Seton-Karr, Sir Henry

      Dickson, charles Scott

      Lee,ArthurH(Hants.,Fareham)

      Sharpe, William Edward T.

      Dixon-Hartland,Sir FredDixon

      Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead)

      Smith,H.C(North'mb.Tyneside

      Dorington, Rt. Hon. Sir JohnE.

      Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

      Smith,RtHnJ.Parker(Lanarks.

      Doughty, Sir George

      Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.

      Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)

      Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-

      Long,Col.CharlesW. (Evesham

      Spear, John Ward

      Dyke,Rt. Hon. Sir William Hart

      Long,Rt.Hn.Walter(Bristol,S)

      Stanley,EdwardJas.(Somerset)

      Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton

      Lowe, Francis William

      Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord(Lancs.)

      Faber, Edmund B. (Hants,W.)

      Loyd, Archie Kirkman

      Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.

      Faber, George Denison (York)

      Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft)

      Stock, James Henry

      Farqell, Sir T. George

      Lucas,Reginald J. (Portsmouth

      Stone, Sir Benjamin

      Fellowes,RtHn.AilwynEdward

      Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred

      Stroyan, John

      Fergusson, Rt.Hn.SirJ.(Manc'r

      Macdona, John Cumming

      Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley

      Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.

      MacIver, David (Liverpool)

      Talbot, Lord E. (Chichestor)

      Finlay, Sir R.B. (Inv'n'ssB'ghs)

      Maconochie, A. W.

      Talbot,Rt, Hn. J.G.(Oxf'dUniv.

      Fisher, William Hayes

      M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool

      Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)

      Fison, Frederick William

      M'Iver,SirLewis(EdinburghW)

      Thorburn, Sir Walter

      FitzGerald,SirRobertPenrose-

      M'Kiilop, James (Stirlingshire)

      Tollemache, Henry James

      Flower, Sir Ernest

      Malcolm, Ian

      Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.

      Forster, Henry William

      Manners, Lord Cecil

      Tuff, Charles

      Foster, Philip S.(Warwick,S.W.

      Marks, Harry Hananel

      Tuke, Sir John Batty

      Galloway, William Johnson

      Martin, Richard Biddulph

      Turnour, Viscount

      Gardner, Ernest

      Melville, Beresford Valentine

      Vincent,Col.SirC.EH(Sheffield

      Garfit, William

      Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M.

      Walrond,Rt.Hon.SirWilliamH.

      Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H.

      Middlemore,John Throgmorton

      Warde, Colonel C. E.

      Godson,Sir Augustus Frederick

      Mildmay, Francis Bingham

      Wolby,Lt,-Col.A.C.E.(Taunton

      Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin&Nairn

      Milner, Rt. Hn. Sir FrederickG.

      Welby, Sir Charles G.E.(Notts.

      Gordon, Maj Evans (Tr'H'mlets

      Milvain, Thomas

      Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd

      Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon

      Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

      Whiteley,H.(Ashton und.Lyne

      Goschen, Hon. George Joachim

      Morgan,DavidJ.(Walthamstow

      Whitmore, Charles Algernon

      Goulding, Edward Alfred

      Morrell, George Herbert

      Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)

      Graham, Henry Robert

      Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer

      Wilson,A.Stanley(York.E.R.)

      Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury)

      Mount, William Arthur

      Wilson, John (Glasgow)

      Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.

      Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)

      Wilson-Todd, Sir W. H.(Yorks.

      Grenfell, William Henry

      Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)

      Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm

      Greville, Hon. Ronald

      Myers, William Henry

      Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson

      Hain, Edward

      Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury)

      Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George

      Hall, Edward Marshall

      Parkes, Ebenezer

      Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H.

      Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F.

      Peet,Hn.Wm. Robert Wellesley

      Younger, William

      Hambro, Charles Eric

      Percy, Earl

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—

      Hamilton, Marq.of(L'donderry

      Pierpoint, Robert

      Alexander Acland-Hood and

      Hardy,Laurence(Kent,Ashford

      Pilkington, Colonel Richard

      Viscount Valentia.

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      315

      NOES.

      Abraham, William (Cork,N.E

      Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B.

      Perks, Robert William

      Abraham, William (Rhondda)

      Hammond, John

      Philipps, John Wynford

      Ainsworth, John Stirling

      Harmsworth, R. Leicester

      Pirie, Duncan V.

      Allen, Charles P.

      Harwood, George

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      Ambrose, Robert

      Hayden, John Patrick

      Price, Robert John

      Ashton, Thomas Gair

      Hayter, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur D.

      Priestley, Arthur

      Asquith,Rt.Hn. Herbert Henry

      Helme, Norval Watson

      Rea, Russell

      Atherley-Jones, L.

      Henderson, Arthur (Durham)

      Reckitt, Harold James

      Austin, Sir John

      Higham, John Sharp

      Reddy, M.

      Barlow, John Emmott

      Holland, Sir William Henry

      Redmond, JohnE.(Waterford)

      Black, Alexander William

      Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C.

      Rickett, J. Compton

      Boland, John

      Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk.

      Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)

      Bolton, Thomas Dolling

      Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

      Roe, Sir Thomas

      Brigg, John

      Jacoby, James Alfred

      Rose, Charles Day

      Bright, Allan Heywood

      Joicey, Sir James

      Runciman, Walter

      Broadhurst, Henry

      Jones,DavidBrynmor (Swansea

      Russell, T. W.

      Bryce, Rt. Hon. James

      Jones, Leif (Appleby)

      Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland)

      Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn

      Jones, William(Carnarvonshire

      Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel

      Burke, E. Haviland-

      Joyce, Michael

      Schwann, Charles E.

      Burt, Thomas

      Kearley, Hudson K.

      Shackleton, David James

      Buxton.N.E (York,NR,Whitby

      Kennedy, VincentP. (Cavan,W.

      Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)

      Caldwell, James

      Kitson, Sir James

      Shaw, Thomas (Hawick, B.)

      Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H.

      Lambert, George

      Sheehy, David

      Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton

      Law, Hugh Alex.(Donegal,W.)

      Shipman, Dr. John G.

      Causton, Richard Knight

      Lawson,SirWilfrid(Cornwall)

      Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)

      Cawley, Frederick

      Layland,Barratt, Francis

      Slack, John Bamford

      Channing, Francis Allston

      Leese,SirJosephF.(Aecrington

      Smith, Samuel (Flint)

      Cheetham, John Frederick

      Leng, Sir John

      Soames, Arthur Wellesley

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      Levy, Maurice

      Spencer, Rt.Hn.C.R.(Northants

      Craig,RobertHunter(Lanark)

      Lewis, John Herbert

      Stanhope, Hon. Philip James

      Crombie, John William

      Lough, Thomas

      Sullivan, Donal

      Cullinan, J.

      Lundon, W.

      Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)

      Dalziel, James Henry

      Lyell, Charles Henry

      Tennant, Harold John

      Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan

      MacNeill, John Gordon Swift

      Thomas, Abel(Carmarthen, E)

      Delany, William

      MacVeagh, Jeremiah

      Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.)

      Devlin,CharlesRamsay(Galway

      M'Arthur, William (Cornwall)

      Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.)

      Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.

      M'Crae, George

      Tomkinson, James

      Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles

      M'Kean, John

      Toulmin, George

      Dobbie, Joseph

      M'Larcn,SirCharlesBenjamin

      Trevelyan, Charles Philips

      Donclan, Captain A.

      Mansfield, Horace Rendall

      Wallace, Robert

      Doogan, P. C.

      Markham, Arthur Basil

      Walton,JohnLawson(Leeds,S.)

      Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)

      Mooney, John J.

      Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.

      Dunn, Sir William

      Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)

      Wason, Engene (Clackmannan)

      Edwards, Frank

      Moulton, John Fletcher

      Wason,John Cathcart (Orkney)

      Ellice,Capt,E.C. (SAndrw'sBghs

      Murphy, John

      Weir, James Galloway

      Ellis, John Edward (Notts.)

      Nolan,Col.John P.(Galway,N.)

      White, Luke (York, E. R.)

      Emmott, Alfred

      Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

      Whiteley, George (York,W.R.)

      Eve, Harry Trelawney

      Nussey, Thomas Willans

      Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

      Fenwick, Charles

      O'Brien, Kendal(TipperaryMid

      Wilson,CharlesHenry (Hull,W.

      Findlay,Alexander(Lanark, NE

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      Wilson, Fred. W. (Norfolk,Mid.)

      Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

      Wilson,Henry J. (York.W.R.)

      Flayin Michael Joseph

      O'Connor,James (Wicklow, W.)

      Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)

      Flynn, James Christopher

      O'Connor, John (Kildare,N.)

      Wilson,J.W.(Worcestersh. N.)

      Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)

      O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

      Woodhouse,SirJ.T(Hudd'rsfi'd

      Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry

      O'Dowd, John

      Yoxall, James Henry

      Freeman-Thomas, Captain F.

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      Fuller, J. M. F.

      O'Malley, William

      TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.

      Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir E.(Berwick)

      O'Mara, James

      Corrie Grant and Mr. Keir

      Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton

      O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

      Hardie.

      Parrott, William

      Paulton, James Mellor

      And, it being half-past Six of the clock, the Chairman proceeded, in pursuance of the Order of the House of July 5th, successively to put forthwith the Question on any Amendments moved by the
      316
      Government of which notice had been given, and on every Question necessary to dispose of the business allotted to the Sitting.
      Clause 5:—
      Question put, "That the clause stand part of the Bill."

      AYES.

      Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

      Dorington,Rt. Hon. Sir JohnE.

      Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)

      Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

      Doughty, Sir George

      Lawson,Hn.H.L.W.(MileEnd)

      Allhusen, Augustus Henry Eden

      Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-

      Lee, ArthurH (Hants.,Farehsam

      Allsopp, Hon. George

      Duke, Henry Edward

      Lees, Sir Elliott (Bireuhead)

      Anson, Sir William Reynell

      Dyke,Rt Hon.Sir William Hart

      Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

      Arkwright, John Stanhope

      Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton

      Lockwood, Lieut -Col. A. R

      Arrol, Sir William

      Faber, Edmund B (Hants, W.)

      Long, Col. Charles W.(Evesham

      Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John

      Faber, George Denison (York)

      Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol,S.)

      Aubrey-Fletcher, RtHn. Sir H.

      Fardell, Sir T. George

      Lowe, Francis William

      Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy

      Fellowes, Rt. Hn. Ailwyn Edw.

      Loyd, Archie Kirkman

      Bailey, James (Walworth)

      Fergusson,Rt.Hn.SirJ.(Mane'r.

      Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft)

      Bain, Colonel James Robert

      Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.

      Lucas, Reginald J.(Portsmouth)

      Baird, John George Alexander

      Finlay,Sir R B (Inv'rn'ss B'ghs)

      Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred

      Balcarres, Lord

      Fisher, William Hayes

      Macdona, John Gumming

      Baldwin, Alfred

      Fison, Frederick William

      MacIver, David (Liverpool)

      Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)

      FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose

      Maconochie, A. W.

      Balfour,RtHn. GeraldW. (Leeds

      Flower, Sir Ernest

      M'Arthur,Charles (Liverpool)

      Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.

      Forster, Henry William

      M'Iver,SirLewis(Edinburgh, W.

      Banbury, Sir Frederick George

      Foster,PhilipS (Warwick, S.W.

      M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)

      Barry, Sir Francis T. (Windsor

      Galloway, William Johnson

      Malcolm, Ian

      Bartley, Sir George C. T.

      Gardner, Ernest

      Manners, Lord Cecil

      Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin

      Garfit, William

      Marks, Harry Hananel

      Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

      Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H.

      Martin, Richard Biddulph

      Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.

      Godson, Sir AugustusFrederick

      Melville, Beresford Valentine

      Bignold, Sir Arthur

      Gordon, Hn. J E (Elgin & Nairn

      Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M.

      Bigwood, James

      Gordon,Maj.Evans(T'r H'mlets

      Middlemore,John Thorgmorton

      Bill, Charles

      Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon

      Mildmay, Francis Bingham

      Bingham, Lord

      Goschen, Hon. George Joachim

      Milner,Rt.Hon.Sir Frederick G.

      Blundell Colonel Henry

      Goulding, Edward Alfred

      Milvain, Thomas

      Bousfield, William Robert

      Graham, Henry Robert

      Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)

      Bowles, Lt. -Col. H.F.(Middlesex

      Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury

      Montagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants.)

      Brassey, Albert

      Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs.)

      Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

      Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John

      Grenfell, William Henry

      Morgan, David J(Walthamstow

      Brown, Sir Alex.H.(Shropsh.)

      Greville, Hon Ronald

      Morrell, George Herbert

      Brymer, William Ernest

      Hain, Edward

      Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer

      Bull, William James

      Hall, Edward Marshall

      Mount, William Arthur

      Butcher, John George

      Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F.

      Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.

      Cambell,Rt.Hn.J. A. (Glasgow

      Hambro, Charles Eric

      Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)

      Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.

      Hamilton,Marq of (L'nd'nderry

      Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)

      Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbyshire

      Hardy,Laurence(Kent,Ashford

      Mvers, William Henry

      Cayzer, Sir Charles William

      Hare, Thomas Leigh

      Nicholson, William Graham

      Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

      Haslam, Sir Alfred S.

      Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury)

      Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)

      Heath, Arthur H (Hanley)

      Parkes, Ebenezor

      Chamberlain,Rt Hn. J. A. (Worc.

      Heath,SirJames(Staffords,NW.

      Peel, Hn. Wm.RobortWellesley

      Chamberlayne, T. (S'thampton

      Heaton, John Henniker

      Perey, Earl

      Chaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry

      Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W.)

      Pierpoint, Robert

      Chapman, Edward

      Hickman, Sir Alfred

      Pilkington, Colonel Richard

      Clare, Octavius Leigh

      Hill, Henry Staveley

      Plummer, Sir Walter R.

      Clive, Captain Percy A.

      Hoare, Sir Samuel

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Coates, Edward Feetham

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Pretyman, Ernest George

      Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

      Hope, J. F(Sheffield,Brightside

      Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

      Coghill, Douglas Harry

      Hoult, Joseph

      Purvis, Robert

      Cohen, Benjamin Louis

      Howard.J.(Midd., Tottenham)

      Rankin, Sir James

      Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole

      Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil

      Rasch, Sir Frederick Came

      Corbett A. Cameron (Glasgow)

      Hunt, Rowland

      Ratcliff, R. F.

      Corbett, T. L. (Dawn, North)

      Jameson, Major J. Eustace

      Read, Sir Edw. James (Cardiff)

      Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge

      Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse

      Reid, James (Greenock)

      Cripps, Charles Alfred

      Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred

      Remnant, James Farquharson

      Cross, Alexander (Glasgow)

      Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T. (Denbigh

      Renwick, George

      Cubitt, Hon. Henry

      Kenyon-Slaney.Rt.Hon.Col.W.

      Ridley, S. Forde

      Dalkeith, Earl of

      Kerr, John

      Ritchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. Thomson

      Davenport, William Bromley

      Kimber, Sir Henry

      Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)

      Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)

      King, Sir Henry Seymour

      Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

      Denny, Colonel

      Lambton, Hn. Frederick Wm.

      Rolleston, Sir John F L.

      Dickson, Charles Scott

      Lamont, Norman

      Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye

      Dixon-Hartland,SirFred Dixon

      Laurie, Lieut.-General

      Round, Rt. Hn. James

      The Committee divided:—Ayes, 245; Noes, 181. (Division List No. 267.)

      Royds, Clement Molyneux

      Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.

      Wharton, Rt. Hn. John Lloyd

      Rutherford, John (Lancashire)

      Stock, James Henry

      Whiteley.H.(Ashton und. Lyne

      Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)

      Stone, Sir Benjamin

      Whitmore, Charles Algernon

      Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford

      Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley

      Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)

      Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

      Talbot, Lord F. (Chichester)

      Willoughby de Eresby, Lord

      Samuel,SirHarry S.(Limehouse

      Talbot,RtHn.J.G.(Oxf'dUniv.)

      Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R.

      Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)

      Thorburn, Sir Walter

      Wilson, John (Glasgow)

      Seton-Karr, Sir Henry

      Tollemache, Henry James

      Wilson-Todd, Sir W.H. (York*.

      Sharpe, William Edward T.

      Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.

      Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm

      Sinclair, Louis (Romford)

      Tuff Charles

      Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson

      Smith,H.C(North'mb.Tyneside

      Tuke, Sir John Batty

      Wrightson, Sir Thomas

      Smith, Rt.HnJParker(Lanarks

      Turnour, Viscount

      Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George

      Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)

      Vincent,Col. Sir C.E H(Sheffi'ld

      Younger, William

      Spear, John Ward

      Walrond, Rt.Hn.Sir William H

      Stanley, Edward Jas.(Somerset

      Warde, Colonel C. E.

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—

      Stanley, Rt. Hn. Lord (Lancs.)

      Welby,Lt.-Col.A.CE (Taunton)

      Alexander Acland-Hood and

      Stewart, Sir Mark J.M'Taggart

      Welby,Sir Charles G.E. (Notts.

      Viscount Valentia.

      NOES.

      Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.)

      Field, William

      M'Kenna, Reginald

      Abraham, William (Rhondda)

      Findlay,Alexander(Lanark,NE

      M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin

      Ainsworth, John Stirling

      Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond

      Mansfield, Horace Rendall

      Allen, Charles P.

      Flavin, Michael Joseph

      Markham, Arthur Basil

      Ambrose, Robert

      Flynn, James Christopher

      Mooney, John J.

      Ashton, Thomas Gair

      Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)

      Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)

      Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herbert Henry

      Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry

      Moulton, John Fletcher

      Atherley-Jones, L.

      Freeman-Thomas, Captain F.

      Murphy, John

      Austin, Sir John

      Fuller, J. M. F.

      Nolan, Cot. JohnP.(Galway,N.

      Baker, Joseph Allen

      Gladstone, Rt.Hn.Herbert.John

      Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

      Barlow, John Emmott

      Grant, Corrie

      Nussey, Thomas Willans

      Beaumont, Wentworth C.B.

      Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir E.(Berwick)

      O'Brien, Kendal(TipperaryMid

      Black, Alexander William

      Griffith, Ellis J.

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      Boland, John

      Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary,N.)

      Bolton, Thomas Dolling

      Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B

      O'Connor,James (Wicklow, W.)

      Brigg, John

      Hammond, John

      O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)

      Bright, Allan Heywood

      Harmsworth, R. Leicester

      O'Dowd, John

      Broadhurst, Henry

      Harwood, George

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson

      Hayden, John Patrick

      O'Malley, William

      Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn

      Hayter, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur D.

      O'Mara, James

      Burke, E. Haviland

      Heline, Norval Watson

      O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

      Burt, Thomas

      Henderson, Arthur (Durham)

      Parrott, William

      Buxton,N. E.(York,NR,Whitby

      Higham, John Sharp

      Paulton, James Mellor

      Galdwell, James

      Holland, Sir William Henry

      Perks, Robert William

      Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H.

      Humphreys-Owen Arthur C.

      Philipps, John Wynford

      Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton

      Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk.

      Pirie, Duncan V.

      Causton, Richard Knight

      Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      Cawley, Frederick

      Isaacs, Rufus Daniel

      Price, Robert John

      Channing, Francis Allston

      Jacoby, James Alfred

      Priestley, Arthur

      Cheetham, John Frederick

      Joicey, Sir James

      Rea, Russell

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      Jones, D. B. (Swansea)

      Reckitt, Harold James

      Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark

      Jones, Leif (Appleby)

      Reddy, M.

      Cremer, William Randal

      Jones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire

      Redmond, John E. (Waterford)

      Cullinan, J.

      Joyce, Michael

      Rickett, J. Compton

      Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan

      Kearley, Hudson E.

      Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)

      Delany, William

      Kennedy, Vincent P.(Cavan,W.)

      Roe, Sir Thomas

      Devlin, Chas. Ramsay(Galway)

      Kitson, Sir James

      Rose, Charles Day

      Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.

      Lambert, George

      Runciman, Walter

      Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles

      Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal,W.)

      Russell. T. W.

      Dobbie, Joseph

      Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)

      Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland)

      Donelan, Captain A.

      Layland-Barratt, Francis

      Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

      Doogan, P. C.

      Leng, Sir John

      Shackleton, David James

      Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)

      Levy, Maurice

      Shaw, (Charles Edw. (Stafford)

      Duncan, J. Hastings

      Lewis, John Herbert

      Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)

      Dunn, Sir William

      Lough, Thomas

      Sheehy, David

      Edwards, Frank

      Lundon, W.

      Shipman, Dr. John G.

      Elibank, Master of

      Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.

      Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)

      Ellice,CaptEC (S.Andrw'sB'ghs

      MacNeill, John Gordon Swift

      Slack, John Bamford

      Ellis, John Edward (Notts)

      MacVeagh, Jeremiah

      Smith, Samuel (Flint)

      Emmott, Alfred

      M'Arthur, William (Cornwall)

      Soames, Arthur Wellesley

      Evans,SirFrancisH.(Maidstone

      M'Crae, George

      Spencer,Rt.Hn.C. R.(Northants

      Eve, Harry Trelawney

      M'Kean, John

      Stanhope, Hon. Philip James

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      Sullivan, Donal

      Wason,Eugene (Clackmannan)

      Wilson, Henry J. (York.W.R.)

      Taylor, Theodore C (Radclitfe)

      Wason,John Cathcart (Orkney)

      Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)

      Tennant, Harold John

      Weir, James Galloway

      Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh.N.)

      Thomas Abel (Carmarthen,E.)

      White, George (Norfolk)

      Woodhouse,SirJT.(Huddersf'd

      Thomas, Sir A.(Glamorgan,E.)

      White, Luke (York. E.R.)

      Yoxall, James Henry

      Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.)

      Whiteley, George (York,W.R.)

      Tomkinson, James

      Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

      TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.

      Toulmin, George

      Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)

      Fenwick and Mr. Keir

      Trevelyan, Charles Philips

      Wilson,CharlesHenry(Hull,W

      Wallace, Robert

      Wilson,Fred. W. (Norfolk, Mid.)

      Clause 6:—
      Amendment proposed—
      "In page 5, line 7, after the word 'department,' to insert the words 'or any port sanitary authority.'" (Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)
      Question, "That the Amendment be made," put, and agreed to.
      Another Amendment proposed—

      AYES.

      Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

      Chamberlayne, T. (S'thampton

      Gardner, Ernest

      Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

      Chaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry

      Garfit, William

      Allhusen, Augustus Hy. Eden

      Chapman, Edward

      Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H.

      Allsopp, Hon. George

      Clare, Octavius Leigh

      Godson, Sir AugustusFrederick

      Anson Sir William Reynell

      Clive, Captain Percy A.

      Gordon, Hn.J.E.(Elgin & Nairn

      Arkwright, John Stanhope

      Coates, Edward Feetham

      Gordon,MajEvans (T'rH'mlets

      Arrol, Sir William

      Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

      Gorst, Lit Hon. Sir.JohnEldon

      Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John

      Coghill, Douglas Harry

      Goschen, Hon. George Joachim

      Aubrey-Fletcher,Rt.Hon.SirH.

      Cohen, Benjamin Louis

      Goulding, Edward Alfred

      Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy

      Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole

      Graham, Henry Robert

      Bailey, James (Walworth)

      Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas

      Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury

      Bain, Colonel James Robert

      Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow

      Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs.)

      Baird, John George Alexander

      Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)

      Grenfell, William Henry

      Balcarres, Lord

      Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge

      Greville, Hon. Ronald

      Baldwin, Alfred

      Cripps, Charles Alfred

      Guthrie, Walter Murray

      Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)

      Cross, Alexander (Glasgow)

      Hain, Edward

      Balfour, Rt. Hn Gerald.W (Leeds

      Cubitt, Hon. Henry

      Hall, Edward Marshall

      Balfour, Kenneth R.(Christch.

      Davenport, William Bromley

      Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F.

      Banbury, Sir Frederick George

      Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)

      Hambro, Charles Eric

      Barry, Sir FrancisT.(Windsor)

      Denny, Colonel

      Hamilton, Marq. of (L'nd'nd'ry

      Bartley, Sir George C. T.

      Dickson, Charles Scott

      Hardy,Laurence(Kent,Ashford

      Bathurst, Hn. Allen Benjamin

      Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph

      Hare, Thomas Leigh

      Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

      Dixon-Hartland,SirFred Dixon

      Haslam, Sir Alfred S.

      Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.

      Dorington, Rt. Hon.SirJohnE.

      Heath, ArthurHoward(Hanley

      Bignold, Sir Arthur

      Doughty, Sir George

      Heath, SirJames(Staffords,NW

      Bigwood, James

      Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-

      Heaton, John Henniker

      Bill, Charles

      Duke, Henry Edward

      Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W.)

      Bingbam, Lord

      Dyke, Rt.Hn. Sir WilliamHart

      Hickman, Sir Alfred

      Blundell, Colonel Henry

      Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton

      Hill, Henry Staveley

      Bonlsfield, William Robert

      Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.

      Hoare, Sir Samuel

      Bowles, Lt.-ColHF(Middlesex)

      Faber, George Denison (York)

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Brassey, Albert

      Fardell, Sir T. George

      Hope,J F (Sheffield, Brightside

      Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John

      Fellowes, Rt. Hn.Ailywn Edw.

      Hoult, Joseph

      Brown, Sir Alex.H.(Shropshire

      Fergusson,Rt Hn.Sir J.(Manc'r

      Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham

      Brymer, William Ernest

      Finch, Bt. Hon. George H.

      Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham

      Bull, William James

      Finlay, SirR.B.(Inv'rn'ss B'ghs

      Hozier, Hon. James HenryCecil

      Butcher, John George

      Fisher, William Hayes

      Hunt, Rowland

      Campbell, Rt.HnJA(Glasgow)

      Fison, Frederick William

      Jameson, Major J. Eustace

      Carson,Rt Hon.Sir Edw. H.

      FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose

      Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse

      Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbyshire

      Flower, Sir Ernest

      Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred

      Cayzer, Sir Charles William

      Forster, Henry William

      Jessel, Captain HerbertMerton

      Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

      Foster, Philip S.(Warwick,S.W.

      Kenyon, Hon.Geo.T.(Denbigh)

      Chamberlain, Rt. Hn J A(Worc.

      Galloway, William Johnson

      Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hn.Col.W.

      "In page 5, line 9, after the word 'department,' to insert the words 'or authority.'" (Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)
      Question, "That the Amendment be made," put, and agreed to.
      Question put, "That the clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill."
      The Committee divided:—Ayes, 250; Noes, 191. (Division List No. 268.)

      Kerr, John

      Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.

      Spear, John Ward

      Keswick, William

      Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)

      Stanley, Edwardjas. (Somerset

      Kimber, Sir Henry

      Myers, William Henry

      Stanley,Rt Hn. Lord (Lancs.)

      King, Sir Henry Seymour

      Nicholson, William Graham

      Stewart, Sir Mark J M'Taggart

      Lambton, Hn. Frederick Wm.

      Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury)

      Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.

      Laurie, Lieut.-General

      Parkes, Ebenezer

      Stock, James Henry

      Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)

      Peel, Hn. Wm. R. Welledey

      Stone, Sir Benjamin

      Lawson, Hn. H. L.W.(Mile End

      Percy, Earl

      Stroyan, John

      Lee, ArthurH(Hants.,Fareham

      Pierpoint, Robert

      Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley

      Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead)

      Pilkington, Colonel Richard

      Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

      Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

      Plummer, Sir Walter R.

      Talbot,RtHon.JG.(Oxf'dUniv.

      Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)

      Long, Col Chas. W.(Evesham

      Pretyman, Ernest George

      Thorburn, Sir Walter

      Long,RtHn.Walter (Bristol, S.

      Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

      Tollemache, Henry James

      Lowe, Francis William

      Purvis, Robert

      Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.

      Loyd, Archie Kirkman

      Rankin, Sir James

      Tuff, Charles

      Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft)

      Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne

      Tuke, Sir John Batty

      Lucas, Reginald J(Portsmouth

      Ratcliff, R. F.

      Tumour, Viscount

      Lyttelton, Rt, Hon. Alfred

      Reed, Sir Edw. James(Cardiff)

      Vincent,Col Sir CEH.(SheffieldE.

      Macdona, John Cumming

      Reid, James (Greenock)

      Walrond,Rt Hn. Sir William H.

      MacIver, David (Liverpool)

      Remnant, James Farquharson

      Warde, Colonel C. E.

      Maconochie, A. W.

      Renwick, George

      Welby,Lt.-Col.A.C.E.(Taunton)

      M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)

      Ridley, S. Forde

      Welby, Sir Charles GE.(Notts.)>

      M'Iver, Sir Lewis(EdinburghW

      Ritchie,Rt.Hon.Chas. Thomson

      Wharton, Mr. Hon. John Lloyd

      M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire

      Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)

      Whiteley, H.(Ashton und.Lyne

      Malcolm, Ian

      Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

      Whitmore, Charles Algernon

      Manners, Lord Cecil

      Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

      Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)

      Marks, Harry Hananel

      Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye

      Willoughby de Eresby, Lord

      Martin, Richard Biddulph

      Round, Rt. Hon. James

      Wilson, A.Stanley (York, E.R.)

      Melville, Beresford Valentine

      Royds, Clement Molyneux

      Wilson, John (Glasgow)

      Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M.

      Rutherford, John (Lancashire)

      Wilson-Todd, SirW.H.(Yorks.)

      Middlemore,JohnThrogmorton

      Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)

      Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm

      Mildmay, Francis Bingham

      Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford

      Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson.

      Milner,Rt. Hn. Sir Fredk. G.

      Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

      Wrightson, Sir Thomas

      Milvain, Thomas

      Samuel, Sir H. S. (Limehouse)

      Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George

      Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)

      Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)

      Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H.

      Montagu, Hon.J.Scott(Hants.)

      Seton-Karr, Sir Henry

      Younger, William

      Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

      Sharpe, William Edward T.

      Morgan, DavidJ.(Walthamst'w

      Sinclair, Louis Romford

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr.

      Morrell, George Herbert

      Smith,HC (North mb.Tyneside

      Alexander Acland-Hood and

      Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer

      Smith, RtHn JParker(Lanarks

      Viscount Valentia.

      Mount, William Authur

      Smith, Hon.W. F. D. (Strand)

      NOES.

      Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.

      Cheetham, John Frederick

      Field, William

      Abraham, William (Rhondda)

      Churchill, Winston Spencer

      Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N.E.

      Allen, Charlea P.

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond

      Ambrose, Robert

      Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark)

      Flavin, Michael Joseph

      Ashton, Thomas Gair

      Cremer, William Randal

      Flynn, James Christopher

      Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herb. Henry

      Crombie, John William

      Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)

      Austin, Sir John

      Cullinan, J.

      Freeman-Thomas, Captain F.

      Baker, Joseph Allen

      Dalziel, James Henry

      Gladstone, Rt. Hn Herbert J.

      Barlow, John Emmott

      Davies, M. Vaughan(Cardigan

      Grant, Corrie

      Beaumont, Wentworth C. B.

      Delany, William

      Grey, Rt. Hon.Sir E.(Berwick

      Black, Alexander William

      Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway

      Griffith, Ellis J.

      Boland, John

      Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.

      Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton

      Bolton, Thomas Dolling

      Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles

      Haldane, Ht. Hon. Richard B.

      Brigg, John

      Dobbie, Joseph

      Hammond, John

      Broadhurst, Henry

      Donelan, Captain A.

      Hardie, J. Keir (MerthyrTydvil

      Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson

      Doogan, P. C.

      Harmsworth, R. Leicester

      Bryce, Rt. Hon. James

      Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)

      Harwood, George

      Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn

      Duncan, J. Hastings

      Hayden, John Patrick

      Burke, E. Haviland

      Dunn, Sir William

      Hayter, Rt. Hn. Sir Arthur D.

      Burt, Thomas

      Edwards, Frank

      Helme, Norval Watson

      Buxton,N.E.(York,NR,Whitby

      Elibank, Master of

      Henderson, Arthur (Durbam)

      Caldwell, James

      Ellice,Capt EC(SAndrewsB'ghs

      Higham, John Sharp

      Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H.

      Ellis, John Edward (Notts.)

      Holland, Sir William Henry

      Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton

      Emmott, Alfred

      Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C.

      Causton, Richard Knight

      Evans,SirPrancisH. (Maidst'ne

      Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk

      Cawley, Frederick

      Eve, Harry Trelawney

      Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

      Channing, Francis Allston

      Fenwick, Charles

      Isaacs, Rufus Daniel

      324

      325

      Jacoby, James Alfred

      O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid.)

      Sheehy, David

      Joicey, Sir James

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      Shipman, Dr. John.G.

      Jones,David Brynmor (Swansea

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

      Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)

      Jones, Lief (Appleby)

      O'Connor, James(Wick,ow,W.

      Slack, John Bamford

      Jones, WilliamCornrvonshire

      O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)

      Smith, Samuel (Flint)

      Joyce, Michael

      O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

      Soames, Arthur Wollesley

      Kearley, Hudson E.

      O'Dowd, John

      Spencer.Rt HnCR Northants.)

      Kennedy, Vincent P.(Cavan,W.

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      Stanhope, Hon. Philip James

      Kitson, Sir James

      O'Malley, William

      Sullivan, Donal

      Lambert, George

      O'Mara, James

      Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)

      Law, Hugh Alex.(Donegal, W.)

      O'Shaugtmessy, P. J.

      Tennant, Harold John

      Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)

      Parrott, William

      Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen,E,)

      Layland-Barratt, Francis

      Paulton, James Mellor

      Thomas, SirA.(Glamorgan, E.)

      Leese,SirJosephF.(Accrington

      Pearson, Sir Weetman D

      Thomson, F. W. (York, W.R.)

      Leng, Sir John

      Perks, Robert William

      Tomkinson, James

      Levy, Maurice

      Philipps, John Wynford

      Toulmin, George

      Lewis, John Herbert

      Pirie, Duncan V.

      Trevelyan, Charles Philips

      Lloyd-George, David

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      Wallace, Robert

      Lough, Thomas

      Price, Robert John

      Warner, Thomas Conrtenay T.

      Lundon, W.

      Priestley, Arthur

      Wason, Engene (Clackmannan

      Lyell, Charles Henry

      Rea, Russell

      Wason, JohnCathcart(Orkney

      Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.

      Reckitt, Harold James

      Weir, James Galloway

      MacNeill, John Gordon Swift

      Reddy, M.

      White, George (Norfolk)

      MacVeagh, Jeremiah

      Redmond,John E (Waterford)

      White, Luke (York, E. R.)

      M'Arthur, William (Cornwall)

      Rickett, J. Compton

      Whiteley, George (York.W. R

      M'Crae, George

      Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion

      Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

      M'Kean, John

      Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)

      Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)

      M'Kenna, Reginald

      Robson, William Snowdon

      Wilson,CharlesHenry(Hull, N)

      M' Laren, Sir CharlesBenjamin

      Roe, Sir Thomas

      Wilson, Fred.J.(Norfolk,Mid

      Mansfield Horace Rendall

      Rose, Charles Day

      Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R.)

      Markham, Arthur Basil

      Runciman, Walter

      Wilson, John Durham, Mid.)

      Mooney, John J.

      Russell, T. W.

      Wilson, J.W (Worcestershire,N

      Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)

      Samuel, HerbertL.(Cleveland)

      Woodhouse,Sir J T (Hudd'rst'd

      Moulton, John Fletcher

      Samuel, S M. (Whitechapel)

      Yoxall, James Henry

      Murphy, John

      Schwann, Charles E.

      Nolan, Col. JohnP. (Galway,N.)

      Shackleton, David James

      TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.

      Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

      Shaw, Charles Edw, (Stafford)

      Bright and Mr. Ainsworth.

      Nussey, Thomas Williams

      Shaw, Thomas (Hawick, B.)

      Clause 7:—
      Amendment proposed—
      "In page 5, line 32, to leave out the word 'landed' and insert the word 'disembark.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)
      Question, "That the Amondiiient be made," put, and agreed to.
      Question put, "That the clause as amended, stand part of the Bill."
      MR. MARKHAMsaid that, on a point of order,

      AYES.

      Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

      Baird, John George Alexander

      Bigwood, James

      Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

      Barcarres, Lord

      Bill, Charles

      Allhusen, Augustus Henry Eden

      Baldwin, Alfred

      Bingham, Lord

      Allsopp, Hon. George

      Balfour, Rt Hn. A J(Manch'r)

      Blundell, Colonel Henry

      Anson, Sir Wm Reynell

      Balfour, Capt. C. B. Hornsey)

      Bousfield, William Robert

      Arkwright, John Stanhope

      Balfour, Rt.HnGeraldWLeeds

      Bowles,Lt.Col H F (Middlesex)

      Arrol, Sir William

      Balfour, Kenneth R.(Christch.

      Brassey, Albert

      Atkinson, Rt. Hn. John

      Banbury,Sir Frederick George

      Brodrick, Rt. Hn. St. John

      Aubrey-Fletcher,Rt.Hon.Sir H

      Barry, Sir F. T. (Windsor)

      Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropshr.

      Bagot, Capt. Josc-line FitzRoy

      Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

      Brymer, William Ernest

      Bailey, James (Walworth)

      Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.

      Bull, William James

      Bain, Colonel James Robert

      Bignold, Sir Arthur

      Butcher, John George

      he desired to point out that whereas the Chairman asked bon. Members on the Opposition Benches to proceed to the lobby on the previous division, Members on the Ministerial Benches were there at that division for five minutes.
      THE CHAIRMAN: It is not exactly a point of order; but I hope hon. Members will proceed to the division lobbies for the general convenience of the Committee.
      The Committee divided:—Ayes, 248;
      Noes, 186. (Division List No. 269.)

      Campbell, Rt. Hn. J. A. (Glasgow

      Haslam, Sir Alfred S.

      Pierpoint, Robert

      Carson, Et. Hn. Sir Edw. H.

      Heath, ArthurHoward(Hanley)

      Pilkington, Colonel Richard

      Cavendish, V. C. W. Derbysh.

      Heath, Sir Jas. (Staffords.NW

      Plummer, Sir Walter R.

      Cayzer, Sir Charles William

      Heaton, John Henniker

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

      Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W

      Pretyman, Ernest George

      Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)

      Hickman, Sir Alfred

      Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

      Chamberlain,RtHn J A(Wore.)

      Hill, Henry Staveley

      Purvis, Robert

      Chamberlayne, T. S'thampton

      Hoare, Sir Samuel

      Rankin, Sir James

      Chapman, Edward

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne

      Clare, Octavius Leigh

      Hope, J.F. (Sheffield,Brightside

      Ratcliff, R. F.

      Clive, Captain Percy A.

      Hoult, Joseph

      Heed, Sir Edw. James (Cardiff)

      Coates, Edw. Feetham

      Houston, Robert Paterson

      Reid, James (Greenock)

      Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

      Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham)

      Remnant, James Farquharson

      Coghill, Doulas Harry

      Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham)

      Renwick, George

      Cohen, Benjamin Louis

      Hozier, Hon. Jas. Henry Cecil

      Ridley, S. Forde

      Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole

      Hunt, Rowland

      Ritchie,Rt Hon.Chas,Thomson

      Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas

      Jameson, Major J. Eustace

      Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)

      Corbett, A Cameron (Glasgow)

      Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse

      Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

      Corbett, T. L. (Down, North

      Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. ArthurFred.

      Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

      Cox,Irwin Edward Bainbridge

      Jessel, Captain Herbert Morton

      Round, Rt. Hon. James

      Cross, Alexander (Glasgow)

      Kenyon, Hn.Geo. T. (Denbigh)

      Royds, Clement Molyneux

      Cubitt, Hon. Henry

      Kenyon-Slaney, Rt.Hn. Col.W.

      Rutherford, John (Lancashire)

      Dalkeith, Earl of

      Kerr, John

      Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool

      Davenport, W. Bromley

      Keswick, William

      Sackvile, Col. S. G. Stopford

      Davies,Sir HoratioD(Chatham

      Kimber, Sir Henry

      Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

      Denny, Colonel

      King, Sir Henry Seymour

      Samuel, Sir-HarryS.(Limehouse

      Dickinson, Robert Edmond

      Lambton, Hn. Frederick Wm.

      Seton-Karr, Sir Henry

      Dickson, Charles Scott

      Laurie, Lieut.-General

      Sharpe, William Edward T.

      Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph

      Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)

      Sinclair Louis (Romford)

      Dixon-Hartland, Sir F. Dixon

      Lawson,Hn.H L.W.(Mile End)

      Smith,H C(North'mb.Tyneside

      Dorington, Rt.Hn.Sir John E.

      Lee, Arthur H(Hants.,Fareham

      Smith, RtHn.JParker(Lanarks

      Doughty, Sir George

      Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead)

      Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)

      Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers-

      Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

      Spear, John Ward

      Duke, Henry Edward

      Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.

      Stanley, Edward Jas (Somerset

      Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William H.

      Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham

      Stanley, Rt. Hn. Lord (Lancs.

      Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton

      Long, Rt. Hn.Walter (Bristol,S

      Stewart, Sir Mark J.M'Taggart

      Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.)

      Lowe, Francis William

      Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.

      Faber, George Denison (York)

      Loyd, Archie Kirkman

      Stock, James Henry

      Fardell, Sir T. George

      Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsm'th

      Stone, Sir Benjamin

      Fellowes, Rt Hn Ailwyn Edw.

      Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred

      Stroyan, John

      Fergusson,Rt,Hn.Sir J.(Manc'r.

      Macdona, John Cumming

      Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley

      Finch, Rt. Hn. George H.

      MacIver, David (Liverpool)

      Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

      Finlay, Sir R. B.(Inv'rn'ssB'ghs

      Maconochie, A. W.

      Talbot,Rt.Hn.J.G.(Oxf'd Univ.

      Fisher, William Hayes

      M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)

      Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)

      Fison, Frederick William

      M'Iver, SirLewis(Edinburgh,W

      Thorburn, Sir Walter

      FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose

      M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)

      Tollemacbe, Henry James

      Flower, Sir Ernest

      Malcolm, Ian

      Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.

      Forster, Henry William

      Manners, Lord Cecil

      Tuff, Charles

      Foster,PhillipS(Warwick,SW

      Marks, Harry Hananel

      Tuke, Sir John Batty

      Galloway, William Johnson

      Martin, Richard Biddulph

      Turnour, Viscount

      Gardner, Ernest

      Melville, Beresford Valentine

      Vincent,Col.SirC.F.H(Sheffield

      Garfit, William

      Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M.

      Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)

      Gibbs, Hon. A. C. H.

      MiddlemoreJohnThrogmorton

      Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. H.

      Godson, SirAugustus Frederick

      Mildmay, Francis Bingham

      Warde, Colonel C. E

      Gordon,Hn.J.E (Elgin & Nairn)

      Milner, RtHn Sir Frederick G

      Welby,Lt.-Col.A C.E.(Taunton

      Gordon, Maj Evans(T'rH'mlets

      Milvain, Thomas

      Welby, Sir Chas. G.E. (Notts.)

      Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon

      Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)

      Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd

      Goschen, Hon. George Joachim

      Montagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants)

      Whiteley,H. (Ashton-und Lyne

      Goulding, Edward Alfred

      Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

      Whitemore, Charles Algernon

      Graham, Henry Robert

      Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow)

      Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)

      Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury

      Morrell, George Herbert

      Willoughby de Eresby, Lord

      Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs.)

      Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer

      Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.

      Grenfell, William Henry

      Mount, William Arthur

      Wilson, John (Glasgow)

      Greville, Hon. Ronald

      Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.

      Wilson-Todd, Sir W.H. (Yorks

      Guthrie Walter Murray

      Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)

      Wolff, Gustay Wilhelm

      Hain, Edward

      Murray Col. Wyndham (Bath)

      Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson

      Hall, Edward Marshall

      Myers, William Henry

      Wrightson, Sir Thomas

      Halsey, Rt, Hon. Thomas F.

      Nicholson, William Graham

      Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H.

      Hambro, Charles Eric

      Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury)

      Hamilton,Marq.of (L'nd'nderry

      Parkes, Ebenezer

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir

      Hardy,Laurence (Kent,Ashford

      Peel, Hn.W. R. Wellesley

      Alexander Acland-Hood and

      Hare, Thomas Leigh

      Percy, Earl

      Viscount Valentia.

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      NOES.

      Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.

      Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B.

      Paulton, James Mellor

      Abraham, William (Rhondda)

      Hammond, John

      Pearson, Sir Weetman D.

      Ainsworth, John Stirling

      Hardie, J.Keir(MerthyrTydvil)

      Perks, Robert William

      Allen, Charles P.

      Harmsworth, R. Leicester

      Philipps, John Wynford

      Ambrose, Robert

      Harwood, George

      Piric, Duncan V.

      Ashton, Thomas Gair

      Hayden, John Patrick

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      Austin, Sir John

      Hayter, Rt, Hn. Sir Arthur D.

      Priestley, Arthur

      Baker, Joseph Allen

      Helme, Norval Watson

      Rea, Russell

      Barlow, John Emmott

      Henderson, Arthur (Durham)

      Reckitt, Harold James

      Beaumont, Wentworth C. B.

      Higham, John Sharp

      Reddy, M.

      Benn, John Williams

      Holland, Sir William Henry

      Redmond, John E.(Waterfom)

      Black, Alexander William

      Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C.

      Rickett, J. Compton

      Boland, John

      Hutchinson, Dr. Chas. Fredk

      Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)

      Bolton, Thomas Dolling

      Hutton, Alfred F. (Morley)

      Robson, William Snowdon

      Brigg, John

      Isaacs, Rufus Daniel

      Roe, Sir Thomas

      Bright, Allan Heywood

      Jacoby, James Alfred

      Rose, Charles Day

      Broadhurst, Henry

      Joicey, Sir James

      Runciman, Walter

      Bryce, Rt. Hon. James

      Jones, David B. (Swansea)

      Russell, T. W.

      Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn

      Jones, Leif (Appleby)

      Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

      Burke, E. Haviland

      Jones, William (Carnarvonshire

      Schwann, Charles E.

      Burt, Thomas

      Joyce, Michael

      Shackleton, David James

      Buxton,NE(York,NR,Whitby)

      Kearley, Hudson E.

      Shaw, Chas. Edw. (Stafford)

      Caldwell, James

      Kennedy, Vincent P. (Cavan,W

      Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)

      Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H.

      Kitson, Sir James

      Sheehy, David

      Causton, Richard Knight

      Lambert, George

      Shipman, Dr. John G.

      Cawley, Frederick

      Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W.)

      Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)

      Channing, Francis Allston

      Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)

      Slack, John Bamford

      Cheetham, John Frederick

      Layland-Barratt, Francis

      Smith, Samuel (Flint)

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington)

      Soames, Arthur Wellesley

      Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark)

      Leng, Sir John

      Spencer, Rt.Hn.CR.(Northants

      Cremer, William Randal

      Levy, Maurice

      Stanhope, Hon. Philip James

      Crombie, John William

      Lewis, John Herbert

      Sullivan, Donal

      Cullinan, J.

      Lough, Thomas

      Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)

      Dalziel, James Henry

      Lundon, W.

      Tennant, Harold John

      Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan

      Lyell, Charles Henry

      Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)

      Delany, William

      Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.

      Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan,E.

      Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway)

      MacNeill, John Cordon Swift

      Thomas, David A. (Merthyr)

      Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.

      MacVeagh, Jeremiah

      Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.)

      Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles

      M'Arthur, William (Cornwall)

      Tomkinson, James

      Dobbie, Joseph

      M'Crae, George

      Toulmin, George

      Donelan, Captain A.

      M'Kean, John

      Wallace, Robert

      Doogan, P. C.

      M'Kenna, Reginald

      Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.

      Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)

      M'Laren, Sir Chas. Benjamin

      Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)

      Duncan, J. Hastings

      Mansfield, Horace Rendall

      Wason, JohnCathcart(Orkney)

      Dunn, Sir William

      Markham, Arthur Basil

      Weiir, James Galloway

      Edwards, Frank

      Mooney, John J.

      White, George (Norfolk)

      Elibank, Master of

      Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)

      White, Luke (York. E. R.)

      Ellice, CaptEC(S. Andr'wsB'ghs

      Moss, Samuel

      Whiteley, George (York,W.R.)

      Ellis, John Edward (Notts.)

      Murphy, John

      Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

      Emmott, Alfred

      Nolan, Col. John P.(Galway,N.

      Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)

      Evans,SirFrancisH(Maidstone

      Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

      Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull, W.)

      Eve, Harry Trelawney

      Nussey, Thomas Willans

      Wilson, Fred. W.(Norfolk, Mid)

      Fenwick, Charles

      O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid)

      Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R)

      Field, William

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)

      Findlay, Alexander(Lanark, NE

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

      Woodhouse,Sir J. T. (Huddersf'd

      Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond

      O'Connor, Jas. (Wicklow, W.)

      Yoxall, James Henry

      Flavin, Michael Joseph

      O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)

      Flynn, James Christopher

      O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

      Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co)

      O'Dowd, John

      TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.

      Freeman-Thomas, Captain F.

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      Trevelyan and Mr. Herb.

      Fuller, J. M. F.

      O'Malley, William

      Samuel.

      Gladstone,Rt.HnHerbertJohn

      O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

      Grant, Corrie

      Parrott, William

      Grey,Rt.Hon.SirE.(Berwick)

      Griffith, Ellis J.

      Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton

      Clause 8:—
      MR. FULLERsaid the Amendment he now moved was
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      to leave out of Clause 8, at line 15, tha word "steerage." He would have been glad to see the Government base this Bill

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      mainly on the principle of Clause 3, but if there was to be this examination, and the Committee had agreed that there was to be, then he submitted it was not desirable to confine it only to steerage passengers. It was alien to our laws and the best traditions of this country that persons should be refused a Sanding on these shores simply because they were poor. Further than that, it was quite obvious that employers of foreign labour and other importers of aliens could quite easily avoid the provisions of this Bill as it at present stood by giving undesirable aliens a second-class ticket, and thus making thorn cabin passengers. Undesirable aliens who came into this country were by no means confined to steerage passengers, and if this Bill was to be operative it was essential that this Amendment should be accepted so that an examination should be made of all aliens at the port of immigration. He bagged to move.
      Amendment proposed—
      "In page 6, line 15, to leave out the word 'steerage.'"—(Mr. Fuller.)
      Question proposed, '"That the word 'steerage' stand part of the clause."
      SIR ROBERT FINLAYsaid that if the Amendment were adopted it would have the effect of remodelling the Bill. The principle on which the Bill was drawn was that they were to provide for the inspection of those who invariably came as steerage passengers. If they were to provide for the inspection of all immigrants, whether cabin or steerage, they would have to have a most elaborate system of examination at all their ports. There would have, for instance, to be an immigration board at Dover.
      MR. FULLERsaid that Dover was not an immigration port.
      SIR ROBERT FINLAYsaid that was true, but the scheme of this Amendment was that all people coming into this country must be examined, and Dover, under those circumstances, might at once become an immigration port. There were only two possible ways of dealing with this matter; one, the way in which the Bill as drawn proposed to deal with it, by
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      examining all who came in at specified ports, and the other to examine all persons who came into this country.
      MR. WHITLEYexpressed his regret that the hon. and learned Gentleman had refused to accept this Amendment in so curt a manner. He said that it was perfectly obvious that those who had 2s. to spare for their passage across the Channel could convert themselves into cabin passengers and thus evade the law, and it would be the class of alien that came into the country in that way which would be the most undesirable. It would be the prostitute, the person who lived on prostitution, and the expert criminal who would pay this extra money, and so gain admission into the country without examination. The Government deliberately refused an Amendment which would enable them to catch these people as they came in instead of having to resort to the elaborate and difficult process of catching them and turning them out after they had come in. He was sorry this line had been taken by the Government, more especially having regard to the fact that it was to be left to the Home Secretary to define what a steerage passenger was. He thought that that definition ought to be given now, as that was really the pivot on which the Bill turned.
      MR. FLYNNsaid the common sense of the people of these islands had long decided the principle of sumptuary laws, and this was a sumptuary law pure and simple. The persons who would be able to come into this country were the forgers, the bankrupts, the expert criminals, and all those classes of undesirables who invariably travelled first class. They were not excluded by this Bill, which only penalised the industrious immigrant whose poverty compelled him to travel steerage. He thought the demand of his hon. friend the Member for Halifax for a definition of a steerage passenger was a reasonable one, there being on most boats three classes of passengers.
      And, it being half-past Seven of the clock, the Chairman left the Chair to make his Report to the House.
      Committee report Progress; to sit again this evening.

    EVENING SITTING.

      ALIENS BILL.
      Considered in Committee.
      (In the Committee.)
      [Mr. GRANT LAWSON (Yorkshire, K.R., Thirsk) in the Chair.]
      Clause 8:—
      Amendment again proposed—
      "In page 6, line 15, to leave out the word
      'steerage.'"—(Mr. Fuller.)
      Question again proposed, "That the word 'steerage' stand part of the clause."
      MR. FLYNNsaid that as there were other important Amendments which they were desirous of discussing lie would not occupy the attention of the Committee further on this Amendment.
      MR. HERBERT ROBERTSONsaid his right hon. friend seemed to think that "steerage passenger" was a term which could be easily defined by anybody; that it was a colloquical expression well known to the Jaw, and that the more introduction of it into an Act of Parliament was quite sufficient to define a particular class of passengers. The term "steerage passenger" had never been defined for reasons which would at once be seen by the Committee when they remembered the different classes of boats in use and the different regulations under which they carried passengers, regulations so varied that what might be called a cabin passenger on one line might be a steerage passenger on another. The definition of a "steerage passenger" in the Merchant Shipping Act did not help them, because that definition only applied to long voyages and not to the short journeys taken by these aliens. For instance, a steerage passenger, according to the Merchant Shipping Act, had to have thirty-six superficial feet of space allotted to him. These aliens considered themselves well off when they had six feet alloted to them. Then a steerage passenger, according to the Merchant Shipping Act, had to be messed at the same table with the master or the first officer of the ship. That again must certainly apply to
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      long voyages, because on these short voyages there was no messing at all. It was therefore perfectly clear that for the purposes of this Bill the definition of "steerage passenger" could not be taken from the Merchant Shipping Act, and it was therefore essential that the words "steerage passenger" should be defined in this Act.
      If the definition of a steerage passenger was that assumed by the senior Member for Oldham as a person who paid a steerage fare, and who could not afford to pay for a cabin passage, then he would agree that this Bill failed. He would agree that if the mere fact of paying a few extra shillings took these persons out of the category of steerage passengers, this Bill was not a sufficient protection to the people of these islands who wished to be protected from these aliens. There was, therefore, a more direct reference as to what should be a steerage passenger in this Bill. There was a discretion in the Secretary of State for home affairs, and it was quite right and quite proper that there should be that discretion; and that the Home Secretary should be able to say what persons should be, and what persons should not be, considered cabin passengers, the object being to define steerage passengers. The object of this Amendment really was to make this inspection absolutely universal, and to ensure that every foreigner should be examined, whether they came into this country as steerage passengers or first-class passengers. That was not a thing to which he and those who thought with him agreed, for the simple reasons that first of all, in their opinion, it was wholly unnecessary, and, secondly, it would, as they contended, restrict our intercourse with the Continent.
      SIR GEORGE BARTLEYsaid he should like to say just two words to show the difference between the way in which aliens were treated in this Bill and the treatment meted out to them in America. He recently crossed from Canada into the United States, and while he was on the car as they creased the border, an official came into the car and said "Sir you are an alien," to which he replied, "I daresay I am." The official then took his name

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      and address, and that of his wife and his servants, and, in fact, made a list of the whole party, after which he turned round and said, "Sir, you do not seem to resent being called an alien," to which he, Sir George, replied, "No, I should resent it if I were not here." Such an experience showed that they did take a list in America, and, therefore, it did not seem to him to be unreasonable that there should be a limitation in this Bill. It showed that we were rather behind other countries in this matter. It seemed to him that the provision they were now discussing was of great importance to this country, and he could not see why there should be all this objection to seeing that those who came to this country should be persons of good character.
      *MR. FORDERIDLEYsaid that they had listened to some remarkable speeches- since the dinner hour, and for once he regretted to say he found himself differing from his hon. friend the Member for Hackney. It seemed to him that they were not debating the question before the House. They were debating the definition of a word which was different altogether to that to which the Amendment on the Paper referred. The word to which the Amendment referred was not steerage" but "immigrant." The Bill said that the immigrant under this Act should mean a steerage passenger. It was not the definition of a steerage passenger which was required, that was already defined by the Merchant Shipping Act of 1894, but for the purposes of this Bill they had to make a new definition because they were dealing with an entirely new expression. That was to say, they had to deal with the word "immigrant" in law. They had to define what they meant by "immigrant," and he found himself entirely in accord with the hon. Member for Wiltshire and his hon. friend who also had an Amendment to the same effect upon the Paper. It was a very great pity that they had to insert the word "steerage" at all.
      It had already been pointed out on former occasions that if this Bill was to be workable in an economic sense it must not
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      put this country to a huge and unnecessary expenditure—to a higher expenditure than was necessary, and, therefore, the idea was to confine the operations of the Act to those particular ports at which the immigrants arrived in bulk. They knew that at present there were only eight or nine ports at which immigrants arrived in this country, and if they were going to leave out the word "steerage" and were going to examine every immigrant who came to this country they would have to go to very much greater expense and set up an immigration board at every port at which an alien might arrive. He believed that when in operation the Act would not be expensive and that the burden upon the taxpayers would not be nearly so great as many hon. Members anticipated. But if the word "steerage" was removed from the clause it would be at once necessary to set up machinery at every port at which immigrants arrived, and to examine cabin passengers as well as steerage passengers, with the result that instead of the Act throwing only a very moderate tax upon the community the expense would be much greater than it need or was expected to be. Considerable time had been spent in advocating a "pious opinion" which really would cot work unless the country were prepared to pay a price which wag altogether unnecessary and would not in any way help in the exclusion of undesirable aliens from our shores. He was sure that all would agree in leaving out the word "steerage" if it were possible, but seeing that the immigrant trade was restricted to a very limited number of ports, and that it was undesirable to put the country to unnecessary expense, he submitted that it was essential that the word should remain in the clause. He hoped, therefore, that the Home Secretary would not accept the Amendment.
      MR. SEELYsuggested that it would be much better to take the ordinary definition of "immigrant" as given in the dictionary—viz., an alien who came for the purpose of permanent residence in a country. That would avoid all the objections which had been urged against, the proposal in the Bill. The term "steerage passenger" was understood to mean a poor man, and grave objection was taken to applying a series

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      of regulations with reference to being guilty of crimes and so forth to poor men and not to rich. He hoped the Home Secretary would carefully consider that point.
      MR. AKERS-DOUGLASpointed out that it was very difficult to know how many aliens came here to reside and how many were simply transmigrants, and he was afraid he must adhere to the definition in the Bill. He thought they were more likely by that means to keep out the really undesirable. Then it had been urged that the effect of the Bill would be to keep out poor men, while rich men would be able to come in even though they were undesirable. It was impossible to prevent the infiltration of aliens at every port in the country, but as 97 per cent, of the aliens who entered the country came in at eight or ten ports the Government thought they should set up an efficient barrier at those ports and not

      AYES.

      Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

      Dimsdale, Rt.Hn. Sir J. C.

      King, Sir Henry Seymour

      Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

      Doughty, Sir George

      Laurie, Lieut.-General

      Allhusen, Augustus Henry E.

      Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers-

      Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)

      Anson, Sir William Reynell

      Duke, Henry Edward

      Lee,ArthurH.(Hants,Fareham.

      Arkwright, John Stanhope

      Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. Hart

      Legge, Col. Hon. Hencage

      Arrol, Sir William

      Fellowes, Rt.Hn.AilwynEdwd.

      Leveson-Gower,Frederick,N.S.

      Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John

      Fergusson, Rt.Hn. SirJ.(Man'r

      Llewellyn, Evan Henry

      Bailey, James (Walworth)

      Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.

      Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.

      Bain, Colonel James Robert

      Finlay, SirRB(Inv'rn'ssB'ghs)

      Long, Rt.Hn. Walter(Bristol,S.

      Baird, John George Alexander

      Fisher, William Hayes

      Loyd, Archie Kirkman

      Balcarres, Lord

      FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose

      Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred

      Balfour, RtHn.A.J. (Manch'r)

      Flower, Sir Ernest

      MacIver, David (Liverpool)

      Balfour, Rt.Hn GeraldW(Leeds

      Forster, Henry William

      Maconochie, A. W.

      Banbury, Sir Frederick George

      Foster, P. S. (Warwick, S. W.)

      M'Arthur, Chas. (Liverpool)

      Bartley, Sir George C. T.

      Gardner, Ernest

      M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)

      Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.

      Gordon,Hn..J.E(Elgin&Nairn)

      Malcolm, Ian

      Bignold, Sir Arthur

      Gordon, Maj. Evans(T'rH'ml'ts

      Marks, Harry Hananel

      Bill, Charles

      Gray, Ernest (West Ham)

      Middlemore, J. Throgmorton

      Blundell, Colonel Henry

      Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury

      Milvain, Thomas

      Bonsfield, William Robert

      Hamilton, Marq. of(L'nd'nd'ry

      Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow)

      Brymer, William Ernest

      Hare, Thomas Leigh

      Morrell, George Herbert

      Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H.

      Haslam, Sir Alfred S.

      Mount, William Arthur

      Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbyshire

      Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T.

      Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.

      Chamberlain, Rt.Hn. JA(Worc.

      Hickman, Sir Alfred

      Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury)

      Chapman, Edward

      Hill, Henry Staveley

      Parkes, Ebenezer

      Clave, Octavius Leigh

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Peel, Hn. Wm. Robert W.

      Cochrane Hon. Thomas H.A.E

      Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside

      Percy, Earl

      Coghill, Douglas Harry

      Hoult, Joseph

      Pilkington, Colonel Richard

      Cohen, Benjamin Louis

      Houston, Robert Paterson

      Plummer, Sir Walter R.

      Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole

      Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham)

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas

      Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse

      Pretyman, Ernest George

      Dalkeith, Earl of

      Jeffreys, Rt.Hon. Arthur Fred

      Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

      Davenport, William Bromley

      Jessel, Captain Herbt. Merton

      Purvis, Robert

      Denny, Colonel

      Kenyon-Slaney,Rt.Hn. Col.W.

      Rankin, Sir James

      Dickinson, Robert Edmond

      Kerr, John

      Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne

      Dickson, Charles Scott

      Kimber, Sir Henry

      Ratcliff, R. F.

      inflict upon every passenger who might arrive the annoyance or hindrance of an examination. It was perfectly true that undesirable aliens of the richer class might get through. The Government had never supposed that they could keep them out by the first part of the Bill, but they believed that they could keep out a very large influx of aliens who were likely to prove a detriment to the country, while high-class criminals could be efficiently dealt with under another clause in the Bill, Such persons could not be dealt with under the earlier portion of the Bill without an examination of every passenger, and it did not at all follow that they would be detected even then; therefore it was not thought desirable to inflict so great a hardship upon all passengers for a problematical benefit.
      Question put.
      The Committee divided:—Ayes, 144; Noes, 117. (Division List No. 270.)

      Reed, Sir Edw. James (Cardiff)

      Spear, John Ward

      Welby, Lt.-Col.A.C.E(Taunton

      Reid, James (Greenock)

      Stanley, Rt.Hn. Lord (Lancs.)

      Welby, Sir Chas. G. E. (Notts.)

      Renwick, George

      Stewart, Sir M. J. M'Taggart

      Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon

      Ridley, S. Forde

      Stock, James Henry

      Whiteley, H.(Ashton und Lyne

      Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

      Stone, Sir Benjamin

      Willoughby de Eresby, Lord

      Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

      Strutt, Hn. Charles Hedley

      Wilson, John (Glasgow

      Rutherford, John (Lancashire)

      Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

      Wilson-Todd, Sir W.H.(Yorks)

      Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

      Thorburn, Sir Walter

      Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm

      Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)

      Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.

      Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln)

      Tritton, Charles Ernest

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir

      Sharpe, William Edward T.

      Tuff, Charles

      Alexander Acland-Hood and

      Skewes-Cox, Thomas

      Tuke, Sir John Batty

      Viscount Valentia.

      Smith,H.C (North'mbTyneside

      Turnour, Viscount

      Smith, Hn. W. F. D. (Strand)

      Walrond, Rt.Hn.SirWilliam H.

      NOES.

      Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.

      Grant, Corrie.

      Partington, Oswald

      Abraham, William (Rhondda)

      Hammond, John

      Paulton, James Mellor

      Ainsworth, John Stirling

      Hardie, J. Keir(MerthyrTydvil

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      Atherley-Jones, L.

      Hayden, John Patrick

      Rea, Russell

      Baker, Joseph Allen

      Helme, Norval Watson

      Reddy, M.

      Barlow, John Emmott

      Higham, John Sharp

      Redmond, John E.(Waterford)

      Black, Alexander William

      Hutchinson, Dr. Chas. Fredk.

      Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)

      Boland, John

      Jones, Leif (Appleby)

      Rose, Charles Day

      Bolton, Thomas Dolling

      Jones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire)

      Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

      Brigg, John

      Joyce, Michael

      Schwann, Charles E.

      Bright, Allan Heywood

      Kitson, Sir James

      Shackleton, David James

      Broadhurst, Henry

      Lambert, George

      Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)

      Brown, George M. (Edinburgh

      Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)

      Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)

      Bryce, Rt. Hon. James

      Layland-Barratt, Francis

      Sheehy, David

      Burke, E. Haviland

      Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington)

      Shipman, Dr. John G.

      Burt, Thomas

      Levy, Maurice

      Slack, John Bamford

      Buxton, N.E.(YorkN.RWhitby

      Lewis, John Herbert

      Smith, Samuel (Flint)

      Caldwell, James

      Lough, Thomas

      Soames, Arthur Wellesley

      Cameron, Robert

      Lundon, W.

      Soares, Ernest J.

      Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H.

      MacNeill, John Gordon Swift

      Spencer, Rt. Hn.CR(Northants

      Cawley, Frederick

      MauVeagh, Jeremiah

      Sullivan, Donal

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      M'Kean, John

      Taylor, Theodore C(Radcliffe)

      Cremer, William Randal

      M'Laren, Sir Chas. Benjamin

      Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.

      Crombie, John William

      Mansfield, Horace Rendall

      Trevelyan, Charles Philips

      Crooks, William

      Markham, Arthur Basil

      Walton, John Lawson(Leeds,S

      Cullinan, J.

      Mooney, John J.

      Weir, James Galloway

      Delany, William

      Murphy, John

      White, George (Norfolk)

      Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.

      Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway.N.)

      White, Luke (York, E. R.)

      Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles

      Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

      Whiteley, George (York. W.R.)

      Dobbie, Joseph

      Norman, Henry

      Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)

      Donelan, Captain A.

      O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid.)

      Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull, W.)

      Doogan, P C.

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      Wilson, Fred W. (Norfolk, Mid

      Douglas, Chas. M. (Lanark)

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

      Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)

      Evans,SirFrancisH. (Maidstone

      O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.

      Woodhouse, SirJT(Huddersf'd

      Eve, Harry Trelawney

      O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.

      Yoxall, James Henry

      Fenwick, Charles

      O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

      Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N.E.)

      O'Dowd, John

      TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.

      Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      Fuller and Mr. J. H.

      Flavin, Michael Joseph

      O'Malley, William

      Whitley.

      Flynn, James Christopher

      O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

      Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)

      Parrott, William

      MR. MARKSmoved to insert words so that the definition should mad, "The expression 'immigrant' … means an alien steerage passenger or alien member of the crew …" his object being to prevent a certain class of undesirables from evading the provisions of the Act by working their passage across as seamen.
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      That the point was of some importance was shown by the fact that from 26 to 28 per cent, of the men engaged each year on British merchant ships were foreigners, and the percentage was steadily increasing. The evil existed particularly in connection with cattle boats from the Argentine and other parts of the world, and unless some

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      such provision as he proposed were inserted a most undesirable class of immigrants would find their way into this country without being subjected to the safeguards imposed with regard to other classes.
      Amendment proposed—
      "In page 6, line 15, after the word 'passenger' to insert the words 'or alien member of the crew.'""—(Mr. Marks.)
      Question proposed, "That those words be there inserted."
      MAJOR EVANS GORDONsaid that evidence was given before the Royal Commission to show that the worst and most undesirable class of aliens were precisely those referred to in this Amendment, who, at nominal wages, worked their passage across, without having the slightest pretence to being seamen. The class of people who had been alluded to were generally people of a very bad character, who could find their way to this country only in this way. He thought some attempt should be made to stop these people coming here and landing, and mixing with the general population.
      MR. MARKHAMpointed out to the Home Secretary that since nine o'clock seven speakers had addressed the House from the Ministerial side. This showed that the matter was an important matter, and he appealed to the right hon. Gentleman to advise the Prime Minister to take into consideration the desirability of granting an additional day for the discussion of the Bill.
      THE CHAIRMAN: Order, order. That question, is not relevant to this Amendment.
      *MR. FORDE RIDLEYsaid he had had practical experience, and testimony from gentleman of undoubted integrity connected with the shipping community, as to the truth of the state of things which the hon. and gallant Member for Stepney had just described. It was a fact that some of the most abandoned characters—he could find no other more suitable expression to describe these cattlemen—were shipped over from South America in this way under the name of seamen, and in this way some of the most
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      disgraceful characters arrived in this country. That being the case, he hoped the Government would insert some words to protect this country and those who dwelt in it from the danger of having an influx of such people as certainly were extremely detrimental to any nation where they were permitted to land. He felt very strongly upon this question, and no exaggerated terms had been used by the hon. and gallant Member for Stepney in regard to these cattlemen. He hoped some steps would be taken in this Bill to prevent such immigration, whether they came in large or small numbers, and he trusted that the Home Secretary would insert words to meet this case.
      SIR ROBERT FINLAYsaid there was no doubt that this Amendment was directed towards meeting a real grievance, because many of these cattlemen were most undesirable persons. In the past they had been allowed to land here, and the object of this Amendment was to give power to deal with such cases. He hoped, however, that his hon. friend, would not press this Amendment to a division, because the Government had been advised of this evil, and they had endeavoured to meet it so far as cattle men were concerned. If the hon. Member would look at the 3rd Sub-section of this clause he would see that the expression "passenger" included "any person I carried on the ship other than the master and persons employed in the working or service of the ship." These cattlemen might be nominally engaged as members of the crew, but they were not employed in the working or service of the ship. The Government were fully alive to this evil, but they believed that the words he had alluded to were effective for the purpose of excluding this most undesirable class of persons. He, therefore, hoped his hon. friend would not press this Amendment to a division, as the words contained in the Amendment raised a very large question which was really foreign to the purpose of this Bill. They were all aware that a great many British vessels were manned to a great extent by foreigners, and to prevent all these foreigners landing as proposed by this Amendment would be taking a step of a most alarming character. He sympathised with the object of the

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      mover and seconder of this Amendment, but it was not desirable to press it in the form in which it had been put down.
      MR. MARKS: Under these circumstances, I beg leave to withdraw my Amendment.
      Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
      MR. FULLERmoved to insert after "passenger" the words "not born in the United Kingdom." and asked the Attorney-General whether a person born in the United Kingdom could be an alien. If not, he would not insist on his Amendment.
      SIR ROBERT FINLAYsaid at common law a person born in the United Kingdom could not get rid of his allegiance; but by the Naturalisation Act of 1870 it had been provided that if a British subject became naturalised in a foreign State he ceased to be a British subject. Therefore, a person born in the United Kingdom might become an alien.
      MR. FULLER: Do I understand that British subjects are excluded from the operation of the Bill?
      SIR ROBERT FINLAY: Certainly; so Long as they remain British subjects.
      MR. FULLERsaid that his Amendment concerned an Englishman or a Scotchman who, having been in the United States for a period of years, wished to pay a temporary visit to his friends in this country. He asked the Attorney-General whether words could not be inserted which would make it impossible for anyone born in the United Kingdom to be excluded therefrom.
      Amendment proposed—
      "In page 6, line 15, after the word 'passenger,' to insert the words 'not born in the United Kingdom.'"—(Mr. Fuller.)
      Question proposed, "That those words be there inserted."
      MR. WHITLEYsaid that as he had an Amendment on the Paper in the same words, perhaps he would be permitted to
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      say one or two words. At an earlier stage of the Bill they succeeded in obtaining a promise from the Attorney-General that he would endeavour to meet the difficulty which had been raised, but the Amendment put forward by the Government to meet this case came under the guillotine, and this was the only opportunity left to them for the discussion of this point. As the Bill stood an Englishman, born and bred in this country, who had been naturalised in the United States and desired to spend the rest of his days in the old country, might be treated as a rogue and a vagabond if he travelled third class on an immigrant ship and tried to land at any other than one of the eight or ten ports mentioned in the Bill. The only way in which the case of such a man could be met was by specially excepting him from the definition of "alien immigrant."
      MR. AKERS-DOUGLASsaid he did not quite understand who the people were whom the Amendment was intended to exempt. In the ordinary course of things every person born in the United Kingdom was necessarily a British subject. The Government had put down an Amendment to meet the case of the man whom they supposed the hon. Member for Cork had in view—namely, the man born in this country who emigrated to a foreign country, became naturalised, and revisited the United Kingdom, intending to make only a short stay here. But surely it would not be contended that such a man, who for some purpose good to himself sacrificed his British nationality, should be allowed to return without at least undergoing some process of examination, with, for instance, a view to seeing that he was not a lunatic? The Government had pat down words which, in his opinion, would meet the case complained of in regard to Ireland.
      MR. WHITLEY: I raised the question long before hon. Members from Ireland brought it forward with reference to workmen from Lancashire and Yorkshire.
      MR. AKERS-DOUGLASsaid he did not think that a man who had chosen to sacrifice his own nationality should be allowed to come to this country without any examination or without their putting

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      into operation with regard to him the safeguards which were laid down in the Bill. He was sorry that the Amendment he put down came under the closure, and he regretted that it did not go far enough to meet what hon. Members opposite desired, but he was not prepared to make a general extension in regard to this case.
      MR. BRYCEthought the Amendment was a most reasonable one. The Home Secretary seemed to think that it was a sort of crime for a British workman who emigrated to a foreign country to naturalise himself there. It was rather hard on such a man, who desired to fulfil the duties of citizenship in the country in which he had settled down, to be told that he had done an unpatriotic thing, and therefore was to be subjected to an examination as if he were a rogue and a vagabond on revisiting his old home. Surely the Home Secretary must have forgotten altogether the indignities which this Bill proposed to inflict. The contention of his hon. friend was that a British-born subject who became naturalised in the country where he had emigrated to should be exempted from all these obligations under this Bill when he returned to this country. He might be required to prove his British birth, but that ought to be enough. This point affected not only British-born subjects in this country, but also those who were born in the Colonies.
      MR. DAVID MACIVERcontended that the Amendment was both unreasonable and unworkable. He remembered a case where sixteen lunatics were sent back to this country by the United States Government. He did not think it was right that men who had spent the best years of their lives in the United States should be sent back to this country when they had become chargeable to the States. That was an illustration of the danger which would arise if the United States were free to send back to this country everybody who, though naturalised there, had become chargeable on the rates. He did not think that would be right and fair. The words suggested by the Attorney-General were quite sufficient.
      MR. FLYNNsaid some interesting points had been raised in this debate. This country went to war some time ago in South Africa, and one of the objects of that war was to enable people who went there to naturalise earlier than the Transvaal laws allowed. Was not one of the grievances against the Transvaal Government that they would not make the period shorter? This Bill as it now stood would exclude a large number of Irish-born citizens who had been naturalised in the United States and who wished to return for a short time to visit their relatives in Ireland, unless they came as cabin passengers. It ought not to be beyond the powers of the Attorney-General and the Attorney-General for Ireland to devise some form of words which would meet their case. He acknowledged the courtesy of the Home Secretary and the Attorney-General in endeavouring to meet the case which the Irish Members brought forward last week. He admitted that there was considerable difficulty in framing such a definition as would meet the case with which they were dealing. But surely it did not surpass the combined intelligence of these Gentlemen to devise some form of words which would meet the case. The Home Secretary's Amendment was passed last night after the closure rule came into operation, and hon. Members from Ireland had no opportunity of discussing its terms. They were, placed in the position of having nolens volens to accept the Amendment. The bulk of the Irishmen who went to America became naturalised there. Surely the right hon. Gentleman was not unaware of the appalling emigration which went on from Ireland owing, as the Irish representatives said, to bad government. A small number of them made money, and when they returned to visit their homes and friends they came as cabin passengers. A large proportion who returned to visit friends did not travel as saloon passengers, and, under this Bill as it stood, it was possible that their admission to their native land might be objected to. That was a monstrous state of things. That never was intended by the framers of the Bill. It never entered their imagination that in attempting to deal with the question of alien labour in the East End of London they were framing a measure which would have the effect

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      of preventing Irishmen who had emigrated to America from revisiting their native land. He challenged contradiction on that point. The case was unanswerable. The Government had no right to put any artificial barrier in the way of Irishmen who wished to return from the United States to visit their native land. Irishmen were entitled by all laws, human and divine, to do that without let or hindrance from the British Government. He and his friends would protest against that so Long as they could do so. He said it was nothing short of tyranny that, because it was desired to exclude a certain class of foreigners, Irishmen should be dubbed aliens and prevented from returning to the land of their birth.
      MR. ABEL THOMASsaid the Bill hit Welshmen as well as Irishmen. He knew many cases of steel workers and coal workers who, when times were bad in Glamorganshire and Monmouthshire, went to the United States, stayed there for five or six years, and when times were good again here returned to their native land. To dub such people as aliens and vagabonds was monstrous, and he was Surprised at any Government bringing such an absurd Bill into the House. It might be that in some districts aliens had done harm, but he believed the grievance had been exaggerated.
      THE CHAIRMAN: I think the hon. Gentleman is getting a long way from the Amendment.
      MR. ABEL THOMASsaid that what was material was that Welshmen who had left this country under the circumstances he had indicated would be precluded by this Bill from coining back when times became bad in America, because, having been naturalised there, they would come back as aliens.
      SIR ROBERT FINLAYsaid he was sure the Committee were sensible of the temperate way in which the hon. Member for North Cork had brought this matter before them. The hon. Member had admitted that he himself had failed to devise any form of words which would be satisfactory. The hon. Member had thrown upon him the task of achieving
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      what he, with the assistance of his friends from Ireland, had been unable to do.
      MR. FLYNNsaid he gave notice of an Amendment containing the form of words which he desired to introduce, but as the closure came into operation he could not move it.
      SIR ROBERT FINLAYsaid no form of words had been devised which would satisfy those interested in this subject. The hon. Member need not be discouraged at his failure, because the task was an impossible one. He hoped to satisfy not only the hon. Member for North Cork, but also the hon. Member for East Carmarthen, that it was impossible to introduce a general Amendment without achieving a result which both of them would warmly repudiate. A suggestion had been made by the right hon. Gentleman the Member for South Aberdeen as to the indignity inflicted on immigrants under this Bill if they came in this way. He respectfully suggested that that was rather a strong word to use. Nobody thought an indignity was inflicted upon immigrants into the United States from this country because the authorities of that country thought it right to put in force the laws against the immigration of undesirable aliens.
      MR. BRYCEsaid the laws were not put in force against passengers in the way it was proposed to do here.
      SIR ROBERT FINLAYbegged the right hon. Gentleman's pardon But that was not the only part of the right hon. Gentleman's speech to which he took exception. He would call the attention of the Committee to the fact that the Amendment opened up a very wide question. If they were to exempt persons born in the United Kingdom what were they going to do with persons born in Canada? If they were to accept an Amendment of this kind they must apply it to all persons born in any part of His Majesty's dominions. [An HON. MEMBER Why not?] The Amendment, therefore, was altogether unsatisfactory. He could not understand how the right hon. Gentleman could say that the Home Secretary had spoken of its being a crime

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      for a British subject, after Settling in America, to become naturalised. His right hon. friend said nothing of the kind. It was a natural thing for any man to do; there was no stigma or taint of criminality about it. But it was another question whether the country of this man's adoption should shunt its failures on the country of origin.
      MR. BRYCEsaid the United States had no right to deport its citizens.
      SIR ROBERT FINLAYsaid he was speaking of those who had become naturalised in America. They should not come here and throw themselves on the rates of this country.
      MR. BRYCE: said that was not the Irish case.
      SIR ROBERT FINLAYsaid it was a consequence in which the Amendment would land the people of this country. It was the right of this country to say that those who had become naturalised in America should remain there and should not come home to throw themselves upon the poor rates here. A man might have been guilty of a crime in America which was the subject of extradition. He was to be exempted from the operation of the Bill, and there was no power in the case of a person who had elected to become an alien and who in the country of his adoption had been guilty of a crime to prevent him from returning to this country.
      MR. SWIFT MACNEILL: The extradition law will operate.
      SIR ROBERT FINLAYsaid if the crime was one which was subject to extradition an alien might be prevented from landing in this country. The Amendment proposed to exempt him altogether. Was that a reasonable proposal? It was impossible for the Government to accept the Amendment. He had been touched by the eloquence of the hon. Member for Cork when he drew a picture of the Irishmen returning from America to visit their friends. He had
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      tried to find words to meet the case submitted by the hon. Member without prejudice to the general principle of the Bill, and the result was the Amendment now incorporated as part of the first clause.
      MR. WILLIAMABRAHAMsaid the Attorney-General had not attempted to answer the Question which was put to him by his hon. friend the Member for East Carmarthen in regard to Welsh working men who were anxious to return to this country and to earn an honest living at their trades. He appealed to the right hon. Gentleman to postpone the consideration of this part of the Bill until he saw his way clear to defend the honest worker. They had heard a great deal about Imperialism and of Canada, but what became of Imperialism if they could not defend a worker who desired to return to this country?
      MR. T. W. RUSSELLpointed out that during the last fifty years millions of the Irish people had gone to America, and the great majority had become naturalised there. There was an enormous traffic between America and Ireland during the summer season thousands coming as steerage passengers to visit their native country. There was also another class of Irishman who came back to Ireland to stay, not to go upon thy rates but to die in the country of his birth. The Government hardly seemed able to understand the attachment the Irishman felt for his old home. Those people should be considered in debating the Bill, and for that reason he supported the Amendment. It was all very well to talk about criminals and lunatics. No one wished to have the criminals. He and others would give the Government power to deal with them, but he appealed to the Government to acknowledge the claims of the class he had mentioned. The Bill seemed to have been drawn without the slightest regard to the consideration of this class, and with a desire simply to exclude aliens from the East End of London.
      MR. AUSTIN TAYLORsaid he thought that the remedy for the complaint which had been made by the hon.

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      Gentleman opposite was already in the Bill in an Amendment which was accepted by the Government and passed the previous night under the guillotine. Obviously it was to the joint interest of the great steamship companies, who brought these passengers, and of the passengers themselves, that there should be a landing, if possible, without the indignity of an examination at all; and the Amendment put forward by the steamship companies, and accepted by the Government the previous night, was to the effect that the Secretary of State might, by order, exempt any ships where security was given to his satisfaction that undesirable immigrants would not be landed in the United Kingdom from those immigrant ships except for the purpose of transit. It appeared to him that in that Amendment there lay the means of getting round a very serious difficulty referred to by the hon. Gentleman.
      *MR. NORMANsaid he wished to put a purely legal point in a spirit of very respectful inquiry. He believed it was the case that anyone born of British parents in a foreign country could claim to be regarded as a British subject. Under these circumstances could he come to this country free under this Bill? It seemed to him to be an absurdity, if that were the case, that anyone born in Great Britain, and who went to the United States, would not be allowed to return to this country without examination and inquiry, whereas a person born in the United States would be allowed to do so.
      SIR ROBERT FINLAYsaid he did not think this provision would apply to those who were born and remained British subjects. It was impossible to find an Amendment which would meet all requirements.
      MR. SWIFT MACNEILLsaid that by the common law of England no British subject could divest himself of his British citizenship. That was the principle which led to the war of 1812, and to the severe crisis in 1866 in the celebrated case of Jackson. The United States Government held
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      that an Irishman who had been naturalised in the United States ceased to be a British subject, while the British Government held otherwise. The difficulty was settled by the Act of 1870, by which it was arranged that a naturalised subject of the United States became an American citizen and renounced his Irish allegiance. He thought the difficulty could be removed by exempting from the operation of the Bill all British subjects who had become naturalised citizens of the United States. This Bill was framed merely to meet the case of the invasion of undesirable aliens from Russia and Roumania, and was never intended to apply to Irishmen who wished to revisit the country from which they sprung.
      *MR. SHACKLETONsaid that the difficulty they were in arose from the application of the closure by compartments. He was certain that the Committee did not understand the question, and the further they discussed it the more they were getting into a fog. Before the guillotine descended at twelve o'clock the Government ought to give some further explanation as to what their intention really was. Did they intend to set up a barrier against the return of any British-born subject who wished to come back to his native country? This question not only affected Irish-Americans who desired to return to their native laud to end their days, but the steel workers from Wales who had gone to America. Putting aside all questions of the Poor Law, or the sentiment about dying in the old country, he wished to know what would be the position of the thousands of the Lancashire cotton operatives who went to America seven or eight years ago to take advantage of the boom there, and the high rate of wages paid. There was now a recovery in this country from the cotton crisis, the wages of the workers had advanced 5 per cent., while the American manufacturers had pulled wages down 22½ per cent. Employers here were anxious for the return of the cotton operatives in the present condition of the trade, and these would come back assuredly as steerage passengers. These Lancashire operatives had certainly no

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      idea that they would he prevented from returning by this Aliens Bill, and he wanted to know if the Bill would he a barrier against them returning to their old country.
      MR. LEIF JONESsaid that strong feeling had been aroused when they were told that Irishmen, Welshmen, and Lancashire cotton operatives could not come back to the United Kingdom without passing through the hands of an immigration officer in one or other of the named ports, and that if they went anywhere else they were liable to be proceeded against as rogues and vagabonds, and be fined £5 with the alternative of three months imprisonment. He insisted that the Government would not satisfy the Committee, the House, or the country, unless they found some form of words by which any British citizen could come back freely to this country.
      MR. CHURCHILLsaid it was a great disadvantage to the Committee that the Home Secretary should not be present to hear the debate on this important point. He ventured to say that it was incumbent on a Minister in charge of an important Bill to be present, especially when the period for its discussion had been curtailed by an arbitrary procedure. The Attorney-General might try to enlighten the Committee but the Minister in charge of the Home Office, which would have to do with the administration of the Bill when it became law, ought to have been present to answer the arguments advanced against some of its important provisions. If the Home Secretary had been present he would have asked what the Government would lose by accepting the Amendment proposed. After all, this Bill had been represented very largely on national grounds as designed to preserve the purity of the British race. The hon. Member for Limehouse and others desired to make sure that there should be no infiltration of foreign sewage to defile the purity of the Anglo-Saxon blood! Well, this particular Amendment dealt with a class of immigrants to this country, or rather with people of British birth, who desired to return to their native land. The hon. Member for Clitheroe had given a real practical illustration of the hardship;
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      which would be imposed on the Lancashire cotton operatives who had gone over to America at a time when there was a boom in the cotton trade there. Partly from the pressure of their surroundings, and partly from economic causes, they had become naturalised subjects of the United States, but many of did not wish to separate themselves entirely from the land of their birth. He urged the Government to meet the wishes of hon. Members, believing, as he did, that not a single essential object of the Bill would be sacrificed if they gave the concession now asked for.
      MR. WILLIAM ABRAHAMsaid he thought the Committee was entitled to an Answer. Hon. Members who voted for the Bill I never dreamt that the present position would arise. He protested against the honest British workman, who was in America or elsewhere, being prevented from returning to his own country. He wanted a straight Answer to a straight Question—namely, whether it was the intention of the Government to prevent; an honest workman, be he English, Scotch, Irish, or Welsh, from returning to his own country. Every man should have the inherent right to return to his country. He was prepared to accept the word of honour of the Home Secretary that such prevention would be impossible; and he believed it would be the worst day's work hon. Gentlemen opposite ever did if they voted for the clause as it stood.
      SIR ROBERT FINLAYsaid he did not think it was possible for him to be more explicit than he had been. He would, however, repeat what he had stated before. It was far from the wish of the Government to prevent honest British working men from coming back to this country, even after they had been naturalised abroad. The Government could not do otherwise than apply to all aliens, subject to exemption in the case of persons born in this country revisiting their friends, provisions which were intended not to put any difficulty in the way of working men returning to this country, but to prevent the landing of undesirable aliens.
      MR. WTLLIAM ABRAHAM (Glamorganshire, Rhondda)asked if the right hon. Gentleman would insert words to allow the British workman to return.
      SIR ROBERT FINLAYsaid that the Bill only aimed at the undesirable alien.
      *MR. H. LAWSONsaid he should not have intervened in the debate but for the fact that the hon. Member for Oldham, in the courteous and genial manner which had become habitual to him, imputed to him when he was supporting the Bill on national grounds that he did so in spite of his mixed origin—a mixed origin which the hon. Member shared. It seemed to him a pity that the hon. Gentleman, whose abilities they all recognised, could not take part in a debate without introducing the bitter venom of acrimonious personality.
      AN HON. MEMBER: Oh!
      MR. CHURCHILLappealed to the Chair to allow the hon. Member full license.
      *MR. H. LAWSONsaid that the hon. Gentleman always seemed anxious to pay off old scores. It was a matter of boast and pride with him that if he supported this Bill it was because he wished to remove the reproach of having unworthy and undesirable members foisted upon a community with which his family had been long connected. So far as the Amendment was concerned, he was quite certain that if it gave rise to any grievance on the part of Englishmen and Irishmen he certainly did not desire it. He did not wish that any Englishman or Irishman should be prevented from coining back to his mother country, but what he desired was to prevent the undesirable alien from returning to this country. The number of American citizens after naturalisation so coming was very small. He was sure they would be able to bring the Bill into conformity with that desire, which the Prime Minister had so often expressd.
      MR. SYDNEY BUXTONsaid he had supported the Bill with the clear and distinct understanding that it was intended to exclude the undesirable alien arriving from the East of Europe. No hon. Member thought it would be applied to persons of British birth. It was quite inconceivable that such persons would be undesirables. The Bill was introduced to prevent the arrival of uneconomic residents, who would reduce the standard of living. The Government had as yet given no promise in this respect. All they had said was that persons arriving on a holiday should not be excluded, but these were not the persons his hon. friend had in view. He wished to ask the Home Secretary whether a cotton operative who went to America, and who desired to return to this country, would be excluded, or would he be subject to examination at the port of entry, with the possibility of rejection.
      MR. HARWOODsaid that cotton operatives would be shocked to know that if they became naturalised in America they would forfeit the precious right of calling themselves Englishmen. It might be sentimental, but sentiment was the strongest force in politics. Everyone agreed that the undesirable alien should be kept out, but he thought that the most feather-brained Member on the Treasury Bench would not propose to exclude British-born subjects. He warned the right hon. Gentleman that it would be a serious shock to public feeling in England if it were known that a man because he went away for a short period was to forfeit the precious heritage of being a Britisher.
      MR. AKERS-DOUGLASsaid he had been present throughout almost the whole of the debate, and answered the Question now put in precisely the same manner that the Attorney-General had done an hour earlier. The Bill would not keep out any but undesirable aliens, and they had no desire whatever to keep out the honest British working man. He would certainly be examined, but he would have no difficulty in satisfying the inspecting officer that he was a desirable alien

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      within the meaning of the Bill. If the Question was put whether such a man would be examined or not, he replied certainly, if he sacrificed his British nationality. The Amendment, if accepted, would admit a very large number of aliens.
      MAJOR SEELYsaid he wished to put the case of a British-born workman returning injured to this country, and thereby unable to support himself or his dependents, and asked the Home Secretary to make it plain that no injustice would be done in such a case. The Home Secretary did not appreciate the point. Suppose a man lost a leg in the race of life abroad, he would not be able to return under the terms of the Bill, and satisfy the immigration officer that he was able to support himself and his dependents. He might wish to return to his only refuge—the country of his birth—and was he to be debarred? The concession offered by the Home Secretary did not meet the case raised by the hon. Member for OJicheroe. They knew the Bill would go through; but they wanted to see justice done; and he appealed to the Home Secretary to state plainly what he meant.
      SIR H. CAMPBELL-BANNERMANasked if in the supposititious case mentioned the man would be regarded as an undesirable alien, to be inspected on arrival here, and as having placed himself under a cloud by accepting another nationality? But he thought they went to war some time ago to enable the British workmen to do the very thing now condemned. The grievance against the Government of the Transvaal was that it put impediments in the way of the honest British workman which the Home Secretary now regarded as a reason for subjecting him to ignominy. If that I was the position of the Government let it be understood. It would be a sorry day when that came to be regarded as the policy of a British Government.
      MR. AKERS-DOUGLASsaid he wished to protest against having phrases put
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      into his mouth which he had never used, He never said a man coming back to this country after having accepted foreign nationality came back under a cloud, nor did he regard the inquiries of an immigration officer as ignominy. In order to maintain the stringency of the Bill, an alien coming to this country, whether he originally came from it or not, must come in under the system of inquiry. He saw no ignominy in that.
      MR. RENWICK (Newcastle-on-Tyne)said that if a man became naturalised in the United States and returned to this country, he was, even without this Bill, regarded as an alien, because if he applied to be put on the register his application would be refused. Therefore, if he returned after the Bill was passed, he must put up with its provisions. The employers of labour in this country would view with the greatest satisfaction the statement of the hon. Member for Clitheroe that labour leaders were prepared to welcome men from other countries. Hitherto employers of labour had been hampered because British workmen refused to work alongside these importations. In the present condition of prosperity in Lancashire, no cotton operative returning would be under any difficulty in proving he was able to support himself.
      *MR. NORMANasked whether a Chinaman, a British subject, coming to this country from the Straits Settlements or Hong-Kong, would be subject to inquiry.
      MR. WILLIAM ABRAHAMsaid that the Home Secretary had not given an Answer to the Question which had been put. He did not find fault with the absence of the right hon. Gentleman; but he was not present when he himself made his appeal.
      And, it being Midnight, the CHAIRMAN proceeded, in pursuance of the Order of the House of the 5th July, to put the Question on the Amendment already proposed from the Chair.
      Question put, "That the words 'not born in the United Kingdom' be there inserted."

      AYES.

      Abraham, Wm (Cork, N.B.)

      Hammond, John

      O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

      Abraham, William (Rhondda)

      Harcourt, Lewis

      Parrott, William

      Ainsworth, John Stirling

      Hardie,J.Keir(Merthyr Tydvil)

      Partington, Oswald

      Allen, Charles P.

      Harmsworth, R, Leicester

      Paulton, James Mellor

      Ashton, Thomas Gair

      Harwood, George

      Pearson, Sir Weetman D.

      Baker, Joseph Allen

      Hayden, John Patrick

      Perks, Robert William

      Barlow, John Emmott

      Helme, Norval Watson

      Philipps, John Wynford

      Beaumont, Wentworth C.B.

      Henderson, Arthur (Durham)

      Pirie, Duncan V.

      Benn, John Williams

      Higham, John Sharp

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      Black, Alexander William

      Hobhouse, C.E.H.(Bristol, E.)

      Price, Robert John

      Boland, John

      Hutchinson, Dr. Chas. Fredk.

      Priestley, Arthur

      Bolton, Thomas Dolling

      Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

      Rea, Russell

      Brigg, John

      Isaacs, Rufus Daniel

      Reckitt, Harold James

      Bright, Allan Heywood

      Joicey, Sir James

      Reddy, M.

      Broadhurst, Henry

      Jones, Leif (Appleby)

      Redmond, John E. (Waterford

      Brown, George M (Edinburgh)

      Jones, William (Carnarvonshire

      Rickett, J. Compton

      Bryce, Rt. Hn. James

      Joyce, Michael

      Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)

      Burke, E. Haviland

      Kennedy, Vincent P.(Cavan,W

      Robson, William Snowdon

      Burt, Thomas

      Kitson, Sir James

      Roe, Sir Thomas

      Buxton,N.E(York.N.R.Whitby

      Lambert, George

      Rose, Charles Day

      Buxton, Sydney Chas. (Poplar)

      Law, Hugh Alex (Donegal, W.)

      Runciman, Walter

      Caldwell, James

      Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)

      Russell, T. W.

      Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)

      Layland,-Barratt, Francis

      Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland)

      Causton, Richard Knight

      Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington)

      Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

      Cawley, Frederick

      Levy, Maurice

      Seely, Maj. J.EB(IsleofWight)

      Channing, Francis Allston

      Lewis, John Herbert

      Shaw, Chas. Edw. (Stafford)

      Cheetham, John Frederick

      Lough, Thomas

      Shaw, Thomas (Hawick K.)

      Churchill, Winston Spencer

      Lundon, W.

      Sheehy, David

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      Lyell, Charles Henry

      Shipman, Dr. John G.

      Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow)

      MacNeill, John Cordon Swift

      Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)

      Cremer, William Randal

      MacVeagh, Jeremiah

      Slack John Bamford

      Crooks, William

      M'Arthur, William (Cornwall)

      Smith, Samuel (Flint)

      Cross, Alexander (Glasgow

      M'Crae, George

      Soames, Arthur Wellesley

      Cullinan, J.

      M'Kean, John

      Soares, Ernest J.

      Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan

      M'Kenna, Reginald

      Spencer, Rt. Hn.CR(Northants

      Delany, William

      M'Laren, Sir Chas. Benjamin

      Stanhope, Hn. Philip James

      Dilke, Rt. Hn. Sir Charles

      Mansfield, Horace Rendall

      Stevenson, Francis S.

      Dobbie, Joseph

      Markham, Arthur Basil

      Sullivan, Donal

      Doogan, P. C.

      Mooney, John J.

      Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe

      Douglas, Chas. M. (Lanark)

      Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)

      Tennant, Harold John

      Duncan, J. Hastings

      Moss, Samuel

      Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.

      Edwards, Frank

      Moulton, John Fletcher

      Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.

      Elibank, Master of

      Murphy, John

      Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr

      Ellice,CaptE. C(S. Andr'wsB'ghs

      Nolan, Col. J. P. (Galway, N.

      Thomson, F. W. (York, W.R.

      Emmott, Alfred

      Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South

      Tomkinson, James

      Evans, S. T. (Glamorgan)

      Norman, Henry

      Toulmin, George

      Eve, Harry Trelawney

      Nussey, Thomas Willans

      Trevelyan, Charles Philips

      Fenwick, Charles

      O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid)

      Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)

      Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N.E.)

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)

      Flavin, Michael Joseph

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.

      Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney

      Flynn, James Christopher

      O'Connor, James(Wicklow, W.

      Weir, James Galloway

      Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)

      O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)

      White, George (Norfolk)

      Freeman, Thomas, Captain F.

      O'Dowd, John

      White, Luke (York, E.R.)

      Gladstone, Rt.Hn. Herb. John

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      Whiteley, George (York, W.R.)

      Griffith, Ellis J.

      O'Malley, William

      Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

      Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton

      O'Mara, James

      The Committee divided:—Ayes, 173; Noes, 214. (Division List No. 271.)

      Whittaker, Thomas Palmer

      Wilson, Fred.W.(Norfolk,Mid.

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr.

      Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)

      Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)

      Fuller and Mr. Shackleton

      Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull, W.

      Woodhouse,SirJ.T.(Huddersf'd

      NOES.

      Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

      Fergusson, Rt. Hn. SirJ(Mane'r

      Long, RtHn. Walter (Bristol.S.

      Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

      Finch, Rt. Hn. George H.

      Lowe, Francis William

      Allhusen, Augustus Henry E

      Finlay, Sir R.B.(Inv'rn'ssB'ghs

      Loyd, Archie Kirkman

      Anson, Sir William Reynell

      Fisher, William Hayes

      Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowentoft

      Arkwright, John Stanhope

      Forster, Henry William

      Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsm'th

      Arrol, Sir William

      Foster, P. S. (Warwick, S.W.

      Lyttelton, Rt. Hn. Alfred

      Atkinson, Rt. Hn. John

      Galloway, William Johnson

      Macdona, John Cumming

      Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn.SirH

      Gardner, Ernest

      MacIver, David (Liverpool)

      Bagot, Capt. JoscelineFitzRoy

      Garfit, William

      Maconochie, A. W.

      Bailey, James (Walworth)

      Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H.

      M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)

      Bain, Colonel James Robert

      Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk

      M'Iver, SirLewis(Edinburgh,W

      Balcarres, Lord

      Gordon, Hn.J.E. (Elgin&Nairn

      M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)

      Balfour, Rt.Hn.A.J. (Manch'r

      Gordon, Maj.Evans(T'rH'mlets

      Malcolm, Ian

      Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey

      Goulding, Edward Alfred

      Marks, Harry Hananel

      Balfour, RtHnGeraldW(Leeds

      Graham, Henry Robert

      Martin, Richard Biddulph

      Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.

      Gray, Ernest (West Ham)

      Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M.

      Banbury, Sir Frederick George

      Greene, H D. (Shrewsbury)

      Middlemore, J. Throgmorton

      Bathurst, Hn. Allan Benjamin

      Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs'

      Mildmay, Francis Bingham

      Bentinck, Lard Henry G.

      Greville, Hon. Ronald

      Milvain, Thomas

      Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.

      Guthrie, Walter Murray

      Molesworth, Sir Lewis

      Bignold, Sir Arthur

      Hall, Edward Marshall

      Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)

      Bigwood, James

      Hambro, Charles Eric

      Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

      Bill, Charles

      Hamilton,Marq.of(L'nd'nderry

      Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow)

      Bingham, Lord

      Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford)

      Morrell, George Herbert

      Bond, Edward

      Hare, Thomas Leigh

      Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer

      Bowles,Lt,-Col.H.F.(Middlesex

      Haslam, Sir Alfred S.

      Mount, William Arthur

      Brassey, Albert

      Hay, Hon, Claude George

      Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.

      Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John

      Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley

      Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)

      Brotherton, Edward Allen

      Heath, Sir Jas. (Staffords,NW.

      Parkes, Ebenezer

      Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropsh.)

      Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W.

      Peel, Hn. Wm. Robt.Wellesley

      Brymer, William Ernest

      Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T.

      Percy, Earl

      Bull, William James

      Hickman, Sir Alfred

      Pierpoint, Robert

      Butcher, John George

      Hill, Henry Staveley

      Pilkington, Colonel Richard

      Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H.

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Plummer, Sir Walter R.

      Cautley, Henry Strother

      Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbyshire

      Hoult, Joseph

      Pretyman, Ernest George

      Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

      Houston, Robert Paterson

      Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

      Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)

      Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham

      Purvis, Robert

      Chamberlain, Rt.Hn.J.A(Worc.

      Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil

      Pym, C. Guy

      Chapman, Edward

      Hunt, Rowland

      Rankin, Sir James

      Clive, Captain Percy A.

      Jameson, Major J. Eustace

      Ratcliff, R. F.

      Coates, Edward Feetham

      Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse

      Reed, Sir Edw. James (Cardiff)

      Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

      Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred

      Reid, James (Greenock)

      Coghill, Douglas Harry

      Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton

      Remnant, James Farquharson

      Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole

      Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T. (Denbigh

      Renwick, George

      Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas

      Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hn.Col.W.

      Ridley, S. Forde

      Dalkeith, Earl of

      Kerr, John

      Robertson, Herb. (Hackney)

      Davenport, William Bromley

      Keswick, William

      Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

      Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)

      Kimber, Sir Henry

      Round, Rt. Hon. James

      Denny, Colonel

      King, Sir Henry Seymour

      Royds, Clement Molyneux

      Dickinson, Robert Edmund

      Lambton, Hn. Fredk. Wm.

      Rutherford, John (Lancashire)

      Dickson, Charles Scott

      Laurie, Lieut-General

      Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool

      Dimsdale, Rt.Hn.Sir Joseph C.

      Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow

      Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford

      Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph

      Lawson, Hn. H.L.W(Mile End

      Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

      Doughty, Sir George

      Lee, Arthur H.(Hants,Fareham

      Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert

      Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers-

      Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead)

      Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)

      Duke, Henry Edward

      Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

      Sharps, William Edward T.

      Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W)

      Leveson-Gower, Frederick N.S.

      Skewes-Cox, Thomas

      Faber, George Denson (York.

      Llewellyn, Evan Henry

      Smith, H.C(North'mb.Tyneside

      Fellowes, RtHnAilwyn Edwd.

      Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.

      Smith,RtHn.J.Parker(Lanarks

      362

      363

      Smith, Hn. W. F. D. (Strand)

      Tritton, Charles Ernest

      Whitmore, Charles Algernon

      Stewart, Sir M. J. M'Taggart

      Tuff, Charles

      Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset

      Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.

      Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward

      Willoughby de Eresby, Lord

      Stock, James Henry

      Tuke, Sir John Batty

      Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R)

      Stone, Sir Benjamin

      Turnour, Viscount

      Wilson, John (Glasgow)

      Stroyan, John

      Vincent,Col.SirC.E.H(Sheffield

      Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm

      Strutt, Hn. Charles Hedley

      Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)

      Wrightson, Sir Thomas

      Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

      Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. H.

      Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H.

      Talbot, Rt.Hn.JG(Oxf'dUniv.

      Warde, Colonel C. E.

      Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)

      Welby,.Lt.-Col. ACE(Taunton)

      TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Sir

      Thorburn, Sir Walter

      Welby, Sir Chas. G. E. (Notts.)

      Alexander Acland-Hood and

      Tollemache, Henry James

      Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon

      Viscount Valentia.

      Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.

      Whiteley, H. (Ashton undLyne

      The Chairman then proceeded successively to put forth with the Question on any Amendments moved by the Government of which notice had been given, and on every Question necessary to dispose of the Business allotted to the Sitting.
      Amendment proposed—
      "In page 6, line 16, to leave out the word 'such.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)
      Question, "That the Amendment be made," put, and agreed to.
      Amendment proposed—
      "In page 6, line 19, to leave out the words 'immediately proceeding,' and insert the words 'proceeding within a reasonable time.''—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)
      Question. "That the Amendment be made," put, and agreed to.

      AYES.

      Agg-Gardner-James Tynte

      Balcarres, Lord

      Bill, Charles

      Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

      Balfour, Rt Hn. A.J. (Manch'r)

      Bingham, Lord

      Allhusen, Augustus Henry E.

      Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)

      Blundell, Colonel Henry

      Anson, Sir William Reynell

      Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (Leeds)

      Bond, Edward

      Arkwright, John Stanhope

      Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.

      Bowles, Lt.-Col.HF(Middlesex)

      Arrol, Sir William

      Banbury, Sir Frederick George

      Brassey, Albert

      Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John

      Bathurst, Hn. Allen. Benjamin

      Brodrick, Rt, Hn. St. John

      Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn.Sir H.

      Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

      Brotherton, Edward Allen

      Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy

      Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.

      Brown, Sir Alex, H. (Shropsh.)

      Bailey, James (Walworth)

      Bignold, Sir Arthur

      Brymer, William Ernest

      Bain, Colonel James Robert

      Bigwood, James

      Butcher, John George

      Amendment proposed—
      "In page 6, line 20, at end, to insert the words 'or any passengers holding prepaid through tickets to some such destination if the master or owner of the ship by which they are brought to the United Kingdom, or by which they are to be taken away from the United Kingdom, gives security to the satisfaction of the Secretary of State that, except for the purposes of transit or under other circumstances approved by the Secretary of State, they will not remain in the United Kingdom, or, having been rejected in another country, re-enter the United Kingdom, and that they will be properly maintained and controlled during their transit.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)
      Question. "That the Amendment be made," put, and agreed to.
      Question put, "That the clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill."
      The Committee divided:—Ayes, 210; Noes. 161. (Division List No. 272.)

      Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H.

      Houston, Robert Paterson

      Purvis, Robert

      Cautley, Henry Strother

      Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham

      Pym, C. Guy

      Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbyshire

      Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil

      Rankin, Sir James

      Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

      Hunt, Rowland

      Ratcliff, R. F.

      Chamberlain, Rt.Hn.JA (Worc.

      Jameson, Major J. Eustace

      Reed, Sir Edw. James (Cardiff)

      Chapman, Edward

      Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse

      Reid, James (Greenock)

      Clive, Captain Percy A.

      Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred

      Remnant, James Farquharson

      Coates, Edward Feetham

      Jessel, Captain Herb. Merton

      Ronwick, George

      Cochrane, Hn. Thos. H. A. E.

      Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T.(Denbigh

      Ridley, S. Forde

      Coghill, Douglas Harry

      Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hn.Col.W

      Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

      Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Atho'e

      Kerr, John

      Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

      Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas

      Keswick, William

      Round, Rt. Hon. James

      Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow)

      Kimber, Sir Henry

      Royds, Clement Molyneux

      Cross, Alexander (Glasgow)

      King, Sir Henry Seymour

      Rutherford, John (Lancashire)

      Dalkeith, Earl of

      Lambton, Hn. Frederick Wm.

      Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)

      Davenport, W. Bromley.

      Laurie, Lieut.-General

      Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-

      Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)

      Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow

      Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

      Denny, Colonel

      Lawson, Hn. H.LW (Mile End)

      Scott, Sir S. (Harylebone, W.)

      Dickinson, Robert Edmond

      Lee, Arthur H.(Hants,Fareham

      Sharpe, William Edward T.

      Dickson, Charles Scott

      Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead)

      Skewes-Cox, Thomas

      Dimsdale, Rt. Hn. Sir J. C.

      Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

      Smith, HC(North'mb.Tyneside

      Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph

      Leveson-Gower, FrederickN.S.

      Smith, RtHnJParker (Lanarks

      Doughty, Sir George

      Llewellyn, Evan Henry

      Smith, Hon. W. F. D.(Strand)

      Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers-

      Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.

      Spear, John Ward

      Duke, Henry Edward

      Long, Rt.Hn. Walter(Bristol,S

      Stewart, Sir M. J. M'Taggart

      Faber, Edmund B. (Hants., W.

      Lowe, Francis William

      Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.

      Faber, George Denison (York)

      Loyd, Archie Kirkman

      Stock, James Henry

      Fellowes, RtHnAilwynEdward

      Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft

      Stone, Sir Benjamin

      Finch, Rt. Hn. George H.

      Lucas, Reginald J.(Portsm'th)

      Stroyan, John

      Finlay, Sir R.B(Inv'rn'ssB'ghs

      Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred

      Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley

      Fisher, William Hayes

      Macdona, John Cumming

      Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

      Forster, Henry William

      MacIver, David (Liverpool

      Talbot, Rt.Hn.J.G.(Oxf'dUniv

      Foster, Philip S.(Warwick,S.W.

      Maconochie, A. W.

      Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)

      Galloway, William Johnson

      M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)

      Thorburn, Sir Walter

      Gardner, Ernest

      M'Iver, SirLewis(EdinburghW

      Tollemache, Henry James

      Garfit, William

      M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)

      Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.

      Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H.

      Malcolm, Ian

      Tuff, Charles

      Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk.

      Marks, Harry Hananel

      Tufnell, Lieut-Col. Edward

      Gordon, Hn. J E(Elgin&Nairn)

      Martin, Richard Biddulph

      Tuke, Sir John Batty

      Gordon, Maj Evans(T'rH'mlets

      Meyesy-Thompson, Sir H. M.

      Turnour, Viscount

      Goulding, Edward Alfred

      Middlemore, J. Throgmorton

      Vincent, Col SirCEH(Sheffield)

      Graham, Henry Robert

      Mildmay, Francis Bingham

      Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)

      Gray, Ernest (West Ham)

      Milvain, Thomas

      Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. H.

      Greene, H. D. (Shrewsbury)

      Molesworth, Sir Lewis

      Warde, Colonel C. E.

      Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs

      Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)

      Welby, Lt, Col. A C E(Taunton

      Greville, Hon. Ronald

      Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

      Welby, Sir Chas. G.E. (Notts.

      Guthrie, Walter Murray

      Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow)

      Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon-

      Hall, Edward Marshall

      Morrell, George Herbert

      Whiteley, H. (Ashton undLyne

      Hambro, Charles Eric

      Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer

      Whitmore, Charles Algernon

      Hamilton, Marq.of (L'donderry

      Mount, William Arthur

      Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset

      Hardy, Laurence(Kent, Ashford

      Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.

      Willoughby de Eresby, Lord

      Hare, Thomas Leigh

      Murray, Chas. J. (Coventry)

      Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.

      Hay, Hon. Claude George

      Parkes, Ebenezer

      Wilson, John (Glasgow)

      Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley

      Peel, Hn.Wm. RobertWellesley

      Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm

      Heath, Sir Jas.(Staffords.N.W.

      Percy, Earl

      Wrightson, Sir Thomas

      Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W.

      Pierpoint, Robert

      Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H.

      Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T.

      Pilkington, Colonel Richard

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr.

      Hill, Henry Staveley

      Plummer, Sir Walter R.

      Alexander Acland-Hood and

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Viscount Valentia.

      Hoult, Joseph

      Pretyman, Ernest George

      Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

      NOES.

      Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N.E.)

      Allen, Charles P.

      Barlow, John Emmott

      Abraham, Wm. (Rhondda)

      Ashton, Thomas Gair

      Beaumont, Wentworth C.

      Ainsworth, John Stirling

      Baker, Joseph Allen

      Black, Alexander William

      366

      367

      Boland, John

      Isaacs, Rufus Daniel

      Reddy, M.

      Bolton, Thomas Dolling

      Jones, Leif (Appleby)

      Redmond, John E. (Waterford)

      Brigg, John

      Jones, William (Carnarvonshire

      Rickett, J. Compton

      Bright, Allan Heywood

      Joyce, Michael

      Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)

      Broadhurst, Henry

      Kennedy, Vincent P (Cavan,W

      Robson, William Snowdon

      Brown, George M.(Edinburgh)

      Kitson, Sir James

      Roe, Sir Thomas

      Bryce, Rt. Hon. James

      Lambert, George

      Rose, Charles Day

      Burke, E. Haviland-

      Law, Hugh. Alex (Donegal, W.

      Runciman, Walter

      Burt, Thomas

      Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall

      Russell, T. W.

      Buxton, NE(York,NRWhitby)

      Layland, Barratt, Francis

      Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland)

      Caldwell, James

      Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington)

      Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

      Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)

      Levy, Maurice

      Seely, Maj.J.E.B.(Isle of Wight

      Causton, Richard Knight

      Lewis, John Herbert

      Shackleton, David James

      Cawley, Frederick

      Lough, Thomas

      Shaw, Chas. Edw. (Stafford)

      Channing, Francis Allston

      Lundon, W.

      Shaw, Thomas (Hawick, B.)

      Cheetham, John Frederick

      Lyell, Charles Henry

      Sheehy, David

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      MacNeill, John Gordon Swift

      Shipman, Dr. John G.

      Cremer, William Randal

      MacVeagh, Jeremiah

      Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)

      Cullinan, J.

      M'Crae, George

      Slack, John Bamford

      Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan

      M'Kean, John

      Smith, Samuel (Flint)

      Delany, William

      M'Kenna, Reginald

      Soames, Arthur Wellesley

      Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles

      M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin

      Soares, Ernest J.

      Dobbie, Joseph

      Mansfield, Horace Rendall

      Spencer, Rt. Hn C R(Northants

      Doogan, P. C.

      Markham, Arthur Basil

      Stanhope, Hon. Philip James

      Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)

      Mooney, John J.

      Stevenson, Francis S.

      Duncan, J. Hastings

      Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)

      Sullivan, Donal

      Edwards, Frank

      Moss, Samuel

      Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)

      Elibank, Master of

      Moulton, John Fletcher

      Tennant, Harold John

      Ellice, Capt E C(SAndrw'sBghs

      Murphy, John

      Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.

      Emmott, Alfred

      Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway,N.

      Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.

      Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan)

      Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

      Thomas, David A. (Merthyr)

      Eve, Harry Trelawney

      Norman, Henry

      Thomson, F. W. (York, W.R.)

      Fenwick, Charles

      Nussey, Thomas Willans

      Toulmin, George

      Findlay, Alex. (Lanark,N.E.)

      O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid.

      Trevelyan, Charles Philips

      Flavin, Michael Joseph

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)

      Flynn, James Christopher

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

      Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan

      Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.

      O'Connor, James (Wicklow.W.

      Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney

      Freeman-Thomas, Captain F.

      O'Dowd, John

      Weir, James Galloway

      Fuller, J. M. F.

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      White, George (Norfolk)

      Griffith, Ellis J.

      D'Malley, William

      White, Luke (York, E.R.)

      Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton

      O'Mara, James

      Whiteley, George (York, W.R.

      Hammond, John

      O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

      Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

      Hardie, J. Keir(MerthyrTydvil

      Partington, Oswald

      Whittaker, Thomas Palmer

      Harmsworth, R. Leicester

      Pearson, Sir Weetman D.

      Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)

      Harwood, George

      Perks, Robert William

      Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull, W.)

      Hayden, John Patrick

      Philipps, John Wynford

      Wilson, Fred (Norfolk, Mid.)

      Helme, Norval Watson

      Pirie, Duncan V.

      Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)

      Henderson, Arthur (Durham)

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      Woodhouse, SirJT (Hudd'rsfi'd

      Higham, John Sharp

      Price, Robert John

      Hobhouse, C. E. H. (Bristol, E.

      Priestley, Arthur

      TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.

      Hutchinson, Dr. Chas. Fredk.

      Rea, Russell

      Herbert Gladstone and Mr.

      Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

      Reckitt, Harold James

      William M'Arthur.

      Clause 9
      The Committee divided:—Ayes, 204; Noes, 150. (Division List No. 273.)

      AYES.

      Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

      Arkwright, John Stanhope

      Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn.SirH

      Allhusen, Augustus Henry E.

      Arrol, Sir William

      Bagot, Capt. JoscelineFitzRoy

      Anson, Sir William Reynell

      Atkinson, Rt. Hn. John

      Bailey, James (Walworth)

      Question put, "That the clause stand part of the Bill."

      Bain, Colonel James Robert

      Greene, H. D. (Shrewsbury)

      Parkes, Ebenezer

      Balcarres, Lord

      Greene, W. Raymond(Cambs)

      Peel, Hn. Wm. Robt Wellesley

      Balfour, Rt. Hn. AJ(Manch'r)

      Greville, Hon. Ronald

      Percy, Earl

      Balfour, Capt. C.B(Hornsey)

      Guthrie, Walter Murray

      Pierpoint, Robert

      Balfour, RtHn Gerald W(Leeds

      Hall, Edward Marshall

      Pilkington, Colonel Richard

      Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.

      Hambro, Charles Eric

      Plummer, Sir Walter R.

      Banbury, Sir Frederick George

      Hamilton, Marq.of (L'donderry

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Bathurst, Hon. AllenBenjamin

      Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford)

      Pretyman, Ernest George

      Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

      Hare, Thomas Leigh

      Pryce, Jones, Lt. Col. Edward

      Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.

      Hay, Hon. Claude George

      Purvis, Robert

      Bignold, Sir Arthur

      Heath, ArthurHoward(Hanley

      Pym., C. Guy.

      Bigwood, James

      Heath, SirJames (StaffordsNW

      Rankin, Sir James

      Bill, Charles

      Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford,W

      Ratcliff, R. F.

      Bingham, Lord

      Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T.

      Reed, Sir Edw. James (Cardiff

      Blundell, Colonel Henry

      Hill, Henry Staveley

      Reid, James (Greenock)

      Bowles, Lt.-Col.HF(Middlesex)

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Remnant, James Farquharson

      Brassey, Albert

      Hoult, Joseph

      Renwick, George

      Brodrick, Rt, Hon. St. John

      Houston, Robert Paterson

      Ridley, S. Forde

      Brotherton, Edward Allen

      Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham

      Robertson, Herb. (Hackney)

      Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropsh.)

      Hozier, Hn. James HenryCecil

      Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

      Brymer, William Ernest

      Hunt, Rowland

      Round, Rt. Hon. James

      Butcher, John George

      Jameson, Major J. Eustace

      Royds, Clement Molyneux

      Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H.

      Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse

      Rutherford, John (Lancashire

      Cautley, Henry Strother

      Jeffreys, Rt.Hn. Arthur Fred

      Rutherford, W.W. (Liverpool)

      Cavendish, V.C.W.(Derbysh.)

      Jessel, Captain HerbertMerton

      Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford

      Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

      Kenyon, Hon.Geo.T.(Denbigh.)

      Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

      Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)

      Kenyon-Slaney.Rt.Hon.Col.W

      Sharpe, William Edward T.

      Chamberlain, RtHnJ.A.(Worc

      Kerr, John

      Skewes-Cox, Thomas

      Chapman, Edward

      Keswick, William

      Smith,HC(North'mb,Tyneside)

      Clive, Captain Percy A.

      King, Sir Henry Seymour

      Smith, R.HnJParker(Lanarks)

      Coates, Edward Feetham

      Lambton, Hn. Frederick Wm.

      Smith, Samuel (Flint)

      Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

      Laurie, Lieut.- General

      Smith, Hn. W. F. D. (Strand)

      Coghill, Douglas Harry

      Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow]

      Spear, John Ward

      Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole

      Lawson, Hn.H.L.W.(Mile End)

      Stewart, Sir M. J. M'Taggart

      Compton, Lord Alwyne

      Lee, ArthurH. (Hants,Fareham

      Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.

      Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas

      Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead)

      Stock, James Henry

      Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow)

      Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

      Stone, Sir Benjamin

      Cross, Alexander (Glasgow)

      Leveson-Gower, Frederick N.S.

      Stroyan, John

      Dalkeith, Earl of

      Llewellyn, Evan Henry

      Strutt, Hn. Charles Hedley

      Davenport, W. Bromley

      Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.

      Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

      Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)

      Long, Rt.Hn.Walter(Bristol,S.)

      Tulbot, Rt.Hn.J.G(Oxf'dUniv)

      Denny, Colonel

      Lowe, Francis William

      Taylor, Austen (EastToxteth)

      Dickinson, Robert Edmond

      Loyd, Archie Kirkman

      Thorburn, Sir Walter

      Dickson, Charles Scott

      Lucas, Col. Francis(Lowestoft

      Tollemache, Henry James

      Dimsdale, Rt. Hn. Sir JosephC

      Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsm'th)

      Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.

      Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph

      Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred

      Tuff, Charles

      Doughty, Sir George

      Macdona, John Cumming

      Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward

      Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers

      MacIver, David (Liverpool)

      Tuke, Sir John Batty

      Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.

      Maconochie, A. W.

      Turnour, Viscount

      Faber, George Denison (York)

      M'Arthur, Chas. (Liverpool)

      Vincent, Col.Sir CEH(Sheffield)

      Fellowes, Rt. Hn.Ailwyn Edw.

      M'Iver, Sir Lewis(EdinburghW

      Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. H.

      Finch, Rt. Hn. George H.

      M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)

      Warde, Colonel C. E.

      Finlay,SirR.B.(Inv'rn'ssB'ghs)

      Malcolm, Ian

      Welby,Lt.-Col. A.C.E(Taunton)

      Fisher, William Hayes

      Marks, Harry Hananel

      Welby, Sir Chas. G. E.(Notts.)

      Forster, Henry William

      Martin, Richard Biddulph

      Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon

      Foster, Philip S.(WarwickS.W.

      Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M.

      Whiteley, H.(Ashton undLyne)

      Galloway, William Johnson

      Middlemore, J. Throgmorton

      Whitmore, Charles Algernon

      Gardner, Ernest

      Mildmay, Francis Bingham

      Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)

      Garfit, William

      Milvain, Thomas

      Willoughby de Eresby, Lord

      Gibbs, Hn. A. G. H.

      Molesworth, Sir Lewis

      Wilson, A.Stanley(York, E.R.)

      Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk.

      Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)

      Wilson, John (Glasgow)

      Gordon, Hn. J.E(Elgin&Nairn

      Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

      Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm

      Gordon,Maj.Evans(T'rH'mlets

      Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow)

      Wrightson, Sir Thomas

      Goulding, Edward Alfred

      Morrell, George Herbert

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr.

      Graham, Henry Robert

      Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer

      Alexander Acland-Hood and

      Gray, Ernest (West Ham)

      Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)

      Viscount Valentia.

      370

      371

      NOES.

      Abraham, Wm. (Cork, M. E.)

      Helme, Norval Watson

      Rea, Russell

      Ainsworth, John Stirling

      Henderson, Arthur (Durham)

      Reckitt, Harold James

      Allen, Charles P.

      Higham, John Sharp

      Reddy, M.

      Ashton, Thomas Gair

      Hobhouse, C. E. H.(Bristol, E.

      Redmond, John E.(Waterford)

      Baker, Joseph Allen

      Hutchinson, Dr. Chas. Fredk.

      Rickett, J. Compton

      Barlow, John Emmott

      Hutton, Alfred E (Morley)

      Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)

      Beaumont, Wentworth C. B.

      Jones, Leif (Appleby)

      Roe, Sir Thomas

      Black, Alexander William

      Jones, William(Carnarvonshire

      Rose, Charles Day

      Boland, John

      Joyce, Michael

      Runciman, Walter

      Bolton, Thomas Dolling

      Kennedy, Vincent P (Cavan,W

      Russell, T. W.

      Brigg, John

      Kitson, Sir James

      Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland)

      Bright, Allan Heywood

      Lambert, George

      Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

      Broadhurst, Henry

      Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W.

      Seely,Maj.J.E.B.(Isle of Wight)

      Brown, George M. (Edinburgh]

      Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)

      Shackleton, David James

      Bryce, Rt. Hn. James

      Layland-Barratt, Francis

      Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)

      Burke, E. Haviland

      Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington)

      Shaw, Thomas (Hawick, B.)

      Burt, Thomas

      Levy, Maurice

      Sheehy, David

      Buxton, N.E(York, NRWhitby

      Lewis, John Herbert

      Shipman, Dr. John G.

      Caldwell, James

      Lundon, W.

      Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)

      Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)

      Lyell, Charles Henry

      Slack, John Bamford

      Causton, Richard Knight

      MacNeill, John Gordon Swift

      Soares, Ernest J.

      Cawley, Frederick

      MacVeagh, Jeremiah

      Spencer,Rt.Hn.C.R. (Northants

      Channing, Francis Allston

      M'Arthur, William (Cornwall)

      Stanhope, Hon. Philip James

      Cheetham, John Frederick

      M'Crae, George

      Stevenson, Francis S.

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      M'Kean, John

      Sullivan, Donal

      Cremer, William Randal

      M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin

      Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)

      Cullinan, J.

      Mansfield, Horace Rendall

      Tennant, Harold John

      Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan)

      Markham, Arthur Basil

      Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.

      Delany, William

      Mooney, John J.

      Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E)

      Dilke, Rt. Hn. Sir Charles

      Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)

      Thomas, David A. (Merthyr)

      Dobbie, Joseph

      Moss, Samuel

      Thomson, F. W. (York, W.R.)

      Doogan, P. C.

      Moulton, John Fletcher

      Toulmin, George

      Douglas, Chas. M. (Lanark)

      Murphy, John

      Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)

      Duncan, J. Hastings

      Nolan, Col. John P.(Galway,N)

      Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)

      Edwards, Frank

      Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

      Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney

      Elibank, Master of

      Nussey, Thomas Willans

      Weir, James Galloway

      Ellice,Capt.E.C(SAndrw'sBghs

      O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid.)

      White, George (Norfolk)

      Emmott, Alfred

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      White, Luke, (York, E. R.)

      Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan)

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

      Whitley, George (York, W.R.

      Eve, Harry Trelawney

      O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.

      Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

      Fenwick, Charles

      O'Dowd, John

      Whittaker, Thomas Palmer

      Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N E.)

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)

      Flavin, Michael Joseph

      O'Malley, William

      Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull,W.)

      Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)

      O'Mara, James

      Wilson, Fred W.(Norfolk,Mid.)

      Freeman-Thomas, Captain F.

      O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

      Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)

      Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herb. John

      Partington, Oswald

      Woodhouse,SirJ.T(Hudd'rsf'd)

      Griffith, Ellis J.

      Pearson, Sir Weetman D.

      Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton

      Philipps, John Wynford

      TELLERS FOR THE NORES—

      Hammond, John

      Pirie, Duncan V.

      Mr. Keir Hardie and Mr.

      Harmsworth, R. Leicester

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      William Abraham (Rhondda)

      Harwood, George

      Price, Robert John

      Hayden, John Patrick

      Priestley, Arthur

      Clause 10.
      Question put, "That the clause stand part of the Bill"
      The Committee proceeded to a Division.
      Sir A. Acland - Hood and Viscount Valentia were appointed Tellers for the Ayes, but no Members being willing to act as Tellers for the Noes the Chairman declared the Ayes had it.
      Question put, "That the Chairman do report the Bill, as amended, to the House."

      AYES.

      Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

      Fisher, William Hayes

      M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)

      Allhusen, AugustusHenryEden

      Forster, Henry William

      M'Ivor,SirLowis(Edinburgh,W.

      Anson, Sir William Reynell

      Foster, Philip S. (Warwick, SW

      M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire

      Arkwright, John Stanhope

      Galloway, William Johnson

      Malcolm, Ian

      Arrol, Sir William

      Gardner, Ernest

      Marks, Harry Hananel

      Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John

      Garfit, William

      Martin, Richard Biddulplh

      Aubrey-Fletcher.Rt. Hn. Sir H.

      Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H.

      Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M.

      Bagot, Capt. Josceline FilzRoy

      Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk.

      Middlemore,John Throgmorton

      Bailey, James (Walworth)

      Gordon, Hn.J.E(Elgin & Nairn

      Mildmay, Francis Bingham

      Bain, Colonel James Robert

      Gordon.Maj. Evans (T'rH m'ts

      Milvain, Thomas

      Balcarres, Lord

      Goulding, Edward Alfred

      Molesworth, Sir Lewis

      Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J.(Manc'r

      Graham, Henry Robert

      Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)

      Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey

      Gray, Ernest (West Ham)

      Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

      Balfour, Rt. Hn.G. W.(Leeds)

      Greene, H. D. (Shrewsbury)

      Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow

      Balfour,Kenneth R.(Christch.

      Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs.

      Morrell, George Herbert

      Banbury,SirFrederick George

      Greville, Hon. Ronald

      Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer

      Bathurst, Hn. Allen Benjamin

      Guthrie, Walter Murray

      Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)

      Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

      Hall, Edward Marshall

      Parkes, Ebenezer

      Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.

      Hamilton, Marq of ((L'nd'nd'ry

      Peel, Hn. Wm. R. Wellesley

      Bignold, Sir Arthur

      Hardy, Laurence(Kent, Ashford

      Percy, Earl

      Bingham, Lord

      Hare, Thomas Leigh

      Pierpoint, Robert

      Blundell, Colonel Henry

      Hay, Hon. Claude George

      Plummer, Sir Walter R.

      Bowles, Lt.-Col. H.F (Middl'x

      Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John

      Heath, Sir J. (Staffords, N.W.

      Pretyman, Ernest George

      Brotherton, Edward Allen

      Henderson, Sir A (Stafford, W

      Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

      Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropsh.)

      Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T.

      Purvis, Robert

      Brymer, William Ernest

      Hill, Henry Staveley

      Pym, C. Guy

      Butcher, John George

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Rankin, Sir James

      Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H.

      Hoult, Joseph

      Ratcliff, R. F.

      Cautley, Henry Strother

      Houston, Robert Paterson

      Reed, Sir Edw. James (Cardiff)

      Cavendish, V.C. W.(Derbyshire

      Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham

      Reid, James (Greenock)

      Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

      Hozier, Hn. Jas. Henry Cecil

      Remnant, James Farquharson

      Chamberlain, Rt.Hn JA(Worc.

      Hunt, Rowland

      Renwick, George

      Chapman, Edward

      Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse

      Ridley, S. Forde

      Clive, Captain Percy A.

      Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred

      Robertson, Herbert (Hackney

      Coates, Edward Feetham

      Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton

      Royds, Clemeut Molyneux

      Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

      Kenyon, Hn. G. T. (Denbigh)

      Rutherford, John (Lancashire

      Coghill, Douglas Harry

      Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hn. Col.W

      Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool

      Colston, Chas. E. H. Athole

      Kerr, John

      Sackville, Col. S.G. Stopford

      Compton, Lord Alwyne

      Keswick, William

      Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

      Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas

      King, Sir Henry Seymour

      Sharpe, William Edward T.

      Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow

      Laurie, Lieut.-General

      Skewes-Cox, Thomas

      Cross, Alexander (Glasgow)

      Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)

      Smith, HC.(North'mb.Tyneside

      Dalkeith, Earl of

      Lawson, Hn. H. L.W.(Mile End

      Smith,Rt Hn J Parker(Lanarks

      Davenport, William Bromley

      Lee, A. H. (Hants., Fareham

      Smith, Hon. W. F. D, (Strand)

      Davies,SirHoratio D, (Chatham

      Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

      Spear, John Ward

      Denny, Colonel

      Leveson-Gower, Frederick N.S

      Stewart, Sir Mark J.M'Taggart

      Dickinson, Robert Edmond

      Lewellyn, Evan Henry

      Stock, James Henry

      Dickson, Charles Scott

      Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.

      Stone, Sir Benjamin

      Dimsdale, Rt.Hn. Sir Joseph C.

      Long,Rt.Hn.Walter(Bristol, S.

      Stroyan, John

      Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph

      Lowe, Francis William

      Strutt, Hon.Charles Hedley

      Doughty, Sir George

      Loyd, Archie Kirkman

      Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

      Douglas, Rt. Hon. A Akers-

      Lucas, Col. P. (Lowestoft)

      Talbot, RtHnJ G (Oxf'd Univ

      Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.)

      Lucas, Reginald J.(Portsmouth

      Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)

      Faber, George Denison (York)

      Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred

      Thorburn, Sir Walter

      Fellowes,RtHn AilwynEdward

      Macdona, John Cumming

      Tollemache, Henry James

      Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.

      MacIver, David (Liverpool)

      Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.

      Finlay,SirR. B. (Inv'rn'ss B'ghs

      Maconochie, A. W.

      Tuff, Charles

      The Committee divided:—Ayes, 189; Noes, 132. (Division List No. 274.)

      Tufnell, Lieut,-Col. Edward

      Welby,SirCharlesG.E.(Notts.)

      Wrightson, Sir Thomas

      Tuke, Sir John Batty

      Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon

      Turnour, Viscount

      Whiteley, H. (Ashton undLyne

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir

      Vincent,Col.Sir C E H(Sheffield

      Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)

      Alexander Acland-Hood and

      Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sit Wm. H.

      Willoughby de Eresby, Lord

      Viscount Valentia.

      Warde, Colonel C. E.

      Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R

      Welby, Lt.-Col. A C E(Taunton

      Wilson, John (Glasgow)

      NOES.

      Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.

      Higham, John Sharp

      Reckitt, Harold James

      Abraham, William (Rhondda

      Hobhouse, C. E. H. (Bristol, E.

      Reddy, M.

      Ainsworth, John Stirling

      Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk.

      Redmond, John E. (Waterford

      Allen, Charles P.

      Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

      Rickett, J. Compton

      Ashton, Thomas Gair

      Jones, Leif (Appleby)

      Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)

      Baker, Joseph Allen

      Jones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire

      Roe, Sir Thomas

      Barlow, John Emmott

      Joyce, Michael

      Rose, Charles Day

      Black, Alexander William

      Kennedy, Vincent P. (Cavan.W

      Russell, T. W.

      Boland, John

      Kitson, Sir James

      Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland)

      Bolton, Thomas Dolling

      Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal,W.

      Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

      Brigg, John

      Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall

      Shackleton, David James

      Bright, Allan Heywood

      Layland-Barratt, Francis

      Shaw, Chas. Edw. (Stafford)

      Brown, George M. (Edinburgh)

      Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington)

      Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)

      Burke, E. Haviland

      Levy, Maurice

      Sheehy, David

      Burt, Thomas

      Lewis, John Herbert

      Shipman, Dr. John G.

      Buxton,N.E.(York,NRWhitby

      Lundon, W.

      Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)

      Caldwell, James

      Lyell, Charles Henry

      Slack, John Bamford

      Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)

      MacVeagh, Jeremiah

      Smith, Samuel (Flint)

      Causton, Richard Knight

      M'Arthur, William (Cornwall)

      Spencer,Rt.Hn CR (Northants

      Cawley, Frederick

      M'Crae, George

      Stanhope, Hn. Philip James

      Channing, Francis Allston

      M'Laren, Sir Chas. Benjamin

      Stevenson, Francis S.

      Cheetham, John Frederick

      Mansfield, Horace Rendall

      Sullivan, Donal

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      Markham, Arthur Basil

      Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)

      Cremer, William Randal

      Mooney, John J.

      Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E)

      Cullinan, J.

      Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen

      Thomas, Sir A (Glamorgan, E

      Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan

      Moss, Samuel

      Thomas,DavidAlfred(Mertliyr)

      Delany, William

      Moulton, John Fletcher

      Thomson, F. W.(York, W. R.)

      Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles

      Murphy, John

      Toulmin, George

      Dobbie, Joseph

      Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway,N

      Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)

      Doogan, P. C.

      Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

      Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)

      Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)

      O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid.)

      Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney

      Edwards, Frank

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      Weir, James Galloway

      Elibank, Master of

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

      White, George (Norfolk)

      Ellice,Capt.EC(SAndrw'sB'ghs

      O'Connor, Jas. (Wicklow, W.)

      White, Luke (York, E.R.)

      Eve, Harry Trelawney

      O'Dowd, John

      Whiteley, George (York, W.R.

      Fenwick, Charles

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      Whittaker, Thomas Palmer

      Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N.E.

      O'Malley, William

      Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)

      Flavin, Michael Joseph

      O'Mara, James

      Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull, W)

      Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.

      O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

      Wilson, Fred. W.(Norfolk, Mid

      Gladstone, Rt.Hn.HerbertJohn

      Partington, Oswald

      Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)

      Griffith, Ellis J.

      Pearson, Sir Weetman D.

      Woodhouse, SirJT(Huddesf'd.

      Hammond, John

      Philipps John Wynford

      Harwood, George

      Pirie, Duncan V.

      TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.

      Hayden, John Patrick

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      Samuel Evans and Mr. Keir

      Helme, Norval Watson

      Priestley, Arthur

      Hardie.

      Henderson, Arthur (Durham)

      Rea, Russell

      Bill reported, as amended, to be considered upon Monday next, and to be printed. [Bill 271.]
      And, it being One of the clock, Mr.
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      SPEAKER adjourned the House, without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order.
      Adjourned at one o'clock.