§ Considered in Committee.
§ (In the Committee.)
§ [Mr. GRANT LAWSON (Yorkshire, N.R., Thirsk) in the Chair.]
§ Clause 1:—
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Amendment proposed—
In page 2, line 9, after the word 'country' to insert the words 'by reason of the treatment of the religious body to which he belongs or'."—(Sir Charles Dilke.)
§ Question again proposed, "That those words be there inserted."
§ *MR. EMMOTT, continuing his speech, said the Prime Minister had made a point of the fact that if we were to allow persecuted aliens to come into the country it would increase the pauper population. He had pointed out that if the case of these persecuted aliens was a matter on which the nation felt deeply the nation ought to pay for those paupers rather than that Stepney or any other parish should do so. He might remind the Committee that the number of alien paupers in proportion to population was very much smaller as regarded aliens than it was as regarded the British population, and where the alien population existed in great numbers, as they did in Stepney, then such portion of them as were paupers were largely supported by the alien population of that district who paid rates—as was the case in Stepney. In fact, it was obvious that in many districts in which aliens existed in large numbers, they must pay not only the proportion of rates which was necessary to support their own paupers, but also a considerable proportion of the rates which were necessary to support British paupers as well. And, therefore, he did think, looking on this matter broadly, that the case as regarded paupers had not been made out at all, and that that art of the argument of the Prime Minister must of necessity fall to the ground.
The Prime Minister said that if the Amendment of his right hon. friend were 164 to be accepted, every alien immigrant pauper would say that he was a victim of religious persecution or might be the victim of religious persecution. When he heard that he could not help wondering whether the Prime Minister had looked at the Government Amendment or not. The Government Amendment, which would come on for discussion as a matter of form later, was to insert after the word "prosecution," "or punishment on religious grounds." It was obvious that if the pauper immigrants were allowed to plead as an excuse that they had come here to avoid prosecution or punishment, and solely on religious grounds, it would be perfectly possible for every pauper immigrant who came to make that an excuse just as easily as if the Amendment of his right hon. friend was carried. Besides, he ventured to maintain that it would be a far easier thing for the immigration officer to decide as to the genuineness of a plea of that kind than it would be to decide the very many difficult questions which he would have to consider under Sub-clauses (a) and (b) which they had already passed.
Then the Prime Minister made another suggestion. He said that he did not think that those men ought to be allowed to come as paupers. He praised the way in which the Jews had assisted their co-religionists in times of distress, and he said that this case was rather one in which the rich Jews ought to help the poor Jews, and so enable them to get out of the category of paupers, and to except themselves from this particular section. Well, if that was the case, why had the Government proposed an Amendment at all? Clearly that was not the opinion of the Government when they put down this Amendment. If it was sufficient that the rich Jews should help the poor Jews who desired to come into this country, then surely the Prime Minister's objection argued just as strongly against the Government concession as it did against the Amendment of the right hon. Baronet.
But the real question which he rose to put before the Committee was this—which I of three categories of Amendments on the Paper ought they to accept? There were a great many Amendments 165 down—most of them in different language—apparently quot homines tot sententiae. There was first of all the category to which the Amendment of his right hon. friend belonged; secondly, that represented by the Amendments of the noble Lord the Member for Greenwich and the hon. and learned Gentleman the Member for Stretford; and there was, thirdly, the Government Amendment. The right hon. Baronet's Amendment was the most liberal; that of the noble Lord and the hon. and learned Member for Stretford the second; and the least liberal was that of the Government. Now he wished to ask a Question with regard to the Government Amendment. What was meant in the Government Amendment by "solely to avoid prosecution or punishment on religious grounds." Would it be a proper plea for an alien immigrant to state that he had left his own country because he feared prosecution? Was that what was meant by the words "avoid prosecution," or must the prosecution actually have taken place before he could set up that as a plea to enable him to enter here? That was a somewhat important question, because if the more liberal view of that was taken—if an alien immigrant might set up the plea that he had left his own country because he feared prosecution might be coming—then of course the Government Amendment was perhaps very much more liberal than some of them had been imagining. Perhaps the Home Secretary when he spoke would be good enough to reply to that Question.
He had an alternative suggestion to make to the House, Would the Home Secretary be willing to accept the Amendment of the right hon. Baronet provided it came after the word "solely." It would restrict it a little if it read "solely by reason of the treatment of the religious body to which he belongs or to avoid prosecution for an offence of a political character." But supposing that the Home Secretary made an unfavourable reply to that suggestion, would he not take the words of the hon. and learned Member for the Stretford Division rather than those of his own Amendment. They should have the word "persecution" instead of "prosecution." He was quite sure the House would agree with him that the right hon. Baronet put forward a very 166 powerful plea on behalf of the views which he held. The argument for his Amendment as contrasted with other Amendments was that much of the worst cruelty on Jews was possible without any prosecution taking place at all. Organised attacks had been made on the Jews in many parts of Russia, which were connived at by the authorities, which were ignored by the police, and which would not make it possible for any of the victims of that kind of persecution to escape the reatriction which was placed upon them under the form of the Government Amendment. He was not going to say anything about the "right of asylum." He thought historically, undoubtedly, we could not talk very much about the light of asylum, but we could talk about the "practice of asylum," and that was the real point that they wanted, as far as possible, to keep up. Because of any evil that we saw now in this country resulting from alien immigration, we did not want to think that Jews in distant parts of Europe in fear of their lives; might be prevented from coming here because they feared that on arrival they would be turned back to face again the persecution which they were seeking to avoid. That was the real question; it was no vague altruism. It was no old-fashioned cosmopolitanism that members of the Opposition held in putting forward that plea. What they said was that this had been the traditional policy of this country in the past, that we had not suffered by it, that in some respects we had gained by it, and that was the policy which in regard to this question of religious persecution they desired to see continued by this country.
§ MR. DUKE (Plymouth)said that Members on the Government side of the House generally believed that the acceptance of this Amendment would deprive this Bill of a great deal of its practical utility. Many of them sympathised with what had been said on both sides of the House with regard to religious refugees, but they did not see their way to go so far as the hon. and learned Member for Stretford was evidently prepared to go. He, however, could not help thinking that there must be some modification of the terms of the clause 167 which would enable the Government to meet a sentiment which found strong expression in the House and would find a powerful echo throughout the country. There might not have been a right of asylum in this country in the past, but among the masses of the people there was an honest desire that they should do nothing to deprive themselves of a source of national pride in the sense that the oppressed of other countries were able to find a refuge here. He asked the Home Secretary whether the difficulty could not be solved by some form of words which would meet the case of a Jew who was in imminent peril of his life and who came to this country penniless because he had been stripped of all the means he had possessed. Could not words be inserted which would make it a qualification to be specially considered that the refugee was in immediate danger of life or limb arising from his religious beliefs? And could not we, for the purpose of securing that benefit to such deserving persons, arrange that the guarantee of the Jewish Board of Guardians should be accepted as a sufficient security that an otherwise deserving person would not become a burden on the rates.
§ LORD EDMUND FITZMAURICEsaid the Amendment placed on the Paper by the Home Secretary was a remarkable proof that the discussions on the Pill, short though they had been, had produced a marked effect on the minds of the Government. Had it not been for those discussions, the present Amendment which, although it did not go far enough, was nevertheless a concession, would never have been put forward. The Prime Minister himself had now admitted that the Huguenots did not arrive in this country in that state of prosperity which many people imagined, and that, as a matter of fact, some of them were in such a state of destitution that a public subscription had to be raised to help them. It was unfortunate that the right hon. Gentleman should have taken the present opportunity, if not to question the wisdom of the generous policy of the present day with regard to aliens, at any rate apparently to suggest to the Committee that he looked upon it as an open question as to whether this country should not at 168 any moment reverse or limit those great principles of liberal admission which were supposed to have become the common property of the nation. It could not be denied that owing to the wise legislation of the last century it had at any rate become the custom of the country to admit aliens without question, and whereas before the burden of proof lay the other way, it was now cast upon those who desired to exclude aliens. The law of England in this matter now depended on the statutes of the late reign, the most recent of which, the Act of 1870, removed the last disability attaching to aliens by enabling them to own real property. Why could not the Home Secretary extend the idea of this Amendment, so that instead of dealing merely with the individual it should deal with the class? The concession had been asked for from both sides of the House, and if it were granted it would probably be the best way of making rapid progress with the Bill.
§ MR. SPEAR (Devonshire, Tavistock)felt so strongly that his constituents would object to the passage of the Bill if it prevented this country from continuing to be the refuge of the victims of religious persecution, that he appealed to the Prime Minister to do something to meet the generally expressed view of the House. Under the Bill, persons persecuted for their religious views would be able to obtain access to this country if they were able to come over as second-class passengers, but not if they were poor and unable to travel otherwise than in the steerage. That was surely contrary to the wishes of the Prime Minister, and he hoped the right hon. Gentleman would see his way to meet the difficulty, possibly on the basis suggested by the hon. Member for Plymouth. It had been shown, particularly in the case of the Jews, that provision was generally made by their co-religionists to prevent these people coming on the rates, but, even if it should result, in some financial less, he believed the general sentiment of the country would be in favour of England continuing to be a refuge for people who were persecuted for their religious views. The people who had made great financial sacrifices to rescue the slaves would certainly back up 169 the Goverment in this matter. The granting of asylum to these people had not hitherto resulted in any damage to the interests of the country, and he sincerely hoped the Government would modify the Bill in the desired direction. He heartily supported the main lines of the measure for the exclusion of criminals and undesirables, but unless the Bill were modified on this point he would be compelled reluctantly to vote against it.
§ *CAPTAIN ELLICE (St. Andrews Burghs)said he had listened to many speeches from the Prime Minister, and as a rule with great pleasure, but he had been extremely sorry to hear the address the right hon. Gentleman had delivered that night. Whatever the law might be, there was no doubt that the custom had been that those who suffered from religious or political persecution should be admitted to this country, and in the Journals of the House there was entered a protest by the Liberal Leaders of 1818 against the Aliens Bill of that day. With the permission of the House he would read one clause of that protest. It ran thus—
Because the Bill is crue', for even when not perverted to any improper purposes, it may deter the victims of civil and religious persecution abroad from seeking refuge under the laws of a free country.He hoped that that spirit would still prevail in this Assembly, and that the Government would, even now, reconsider their determination and permit some Amendment which would embody the general expression of opinion on both sides of the House.
§ *MAJOR EVANS GORDONsaid the hon. Member for Tavistock seemed entirely to have ignored the great and wide concession the Government had already made in this matter. The Amendment of the Home Secretary went very far—in the opinion of many Members it went too far—and he hoped before the debate concluded the Attorney-General would explain what exactly the words meant. The present position was very serious. He repudiated in the strongest terms any desire to add to the burdens of the Jewish people, but when hon. Members spoke of religious persecution what did they really mean? Did they mean actual persecution such as occa- 170 sionally occurred in Russia, or did they mean the normal disabilities which arose out of the administration of the Russian laws, not only to Jews, but to every subject of the Czar? Probably every person coming from Russia, whether Jew, Catholic, or member of the Orthodox Church, could with perfect justice say that according to the standards of this country he was a persecuted person, either religiously or politically. In a country where a peasant living a harmless life could not leave the village without the permission of the head man, where anybody could be imprisoned at a moment's notice on an administrative order, without trial or inquiry, where men had only to get a revolutionary leaflet put into their pocket to render them liable to imprisonment, the whole population was, from our point of view politically or religiously persecuted, and it really meant that the Committee had to consider how far the people of this country were to be made the indirect victims of the misgovernment of foreign nations.
He differed from the hon. Member for Whitechapel as to the burden imposed upon the people. There was a burden, and the influx of these aliens into certain areas entailed great hardship upon our own people. In view of the few categories the Bill was intended to exclude, he was bound to say that after the very liberal interpretation of persecution which the Government had introduced by this Amendment, they could not go much further without wrecking the whole Bill. By giving all foreigners who were persecuted and discontented free access to this country they were undertaking a very great risk indeed. In America no such exception either foe religious or political persecution was introduced into their Acts of Parliament, and it had never been complained or alleged in America that any hardship had arisen on that account, or that the American Government was reactionary or unmindful of the burdens of the Jewish people either in Russia or elsewhere. On the contrary, the Jewish community in America had protested again and again against their co-religionists being recklessly sent to the United States. There was no such provision as this in force 171 in America, while the Jewish colonies themselves did not admit people simply because they had been the victims of persecution, but solely on the ground of their fitness as colonists. The whole of the population of Russia, according to our ideas of liberty, was a politically and religiously persecuted population, and we had to consider how far we were to be made the indirect victims of the misgovernment of foreign nations. He opposed any alteration of the Government Amendment. If any Government in Europe desired to get rid of a certain section of its population it would only be necessary, under this Amendment, to set up religious disabilities to allow of that section being sent to this country. A man might still be an undesirable alien though subjected to persecution.
As to the expulsion clause, he reminded hon. Members of the speech of the Leader of the Opposition at Limehouse, when he declared that if a man did not conform to our sanitary standard he should be sent back to the country whence he came. But among those men there would necessarily be some who came under the definition of persecuted persons. Were these to be sent away or not? If they were, then it came to this, that while to exclude a persecuted person was barbarous, to expel him after arrival was legitimate.
The hon. Member for Whitechapel had grossly misrepresented the Prime Minister's speech. The hon. Member said that those who sent back these people or supported a policy of that kind were participators in the persecution. Was it not the fact that the Jewish community spent thousands of pounds in sending back people to their homes? How, then, could it in fairness be alleged that such a policy was participating in persecution? In face of the policy pursued by the Jewish Board of Guardians so steadily for so many years with the avowed purpose of relieving the burdens which these people had caused in the East End of London, it was monstrous for the hon. Member for Whitechapel or any other hon. Member to say that those who were supporting this policy were participating in the persecution of the Jewish people. 172 If the Jewish community found it necessary, as they did find it necessary, year after year to send thousands back to their homes, how could it be alleged that they would be doing anything wrong or harsh and unfair by attempting to exclude this small number of undesirable people who not only inflicted an injury upon the native population, but were also a grievous burden upon the Jewish community in the East End of London and many other parts of the Metropolis.
§ MR. HERBERT SAMUELAll those people are sent back at their own request, and none of them are victims of religious persecution.
§ LORD HUGH CECILsaid he would very much like to hear from the Government an announcement that they would be prepared to go some way towards meeting a widely-entertained feeling on both sides of the House in favour of some further concession to secure that the Bill should not be made an instrument for increasing the hardship of those who throughout Christian Europe, with the exception of Russia, were objects of very real pity. He found some difficulty, which constantly arose in these debates, in following his hon. and gallant friend, who seemed to take quite a different view of the scope of the Bill to that taken by the Government. He quite agreed with, the Prime Minister that it would be absurd to say that historically we had not been a persecuting people; but it was true that when we adopted the principle of religious liberty we did so for the whole human race, and the distinction that some people were disposed to draw—but not the Government—between our own people and foreigners was not a distinction known to English history, nor could it be defended on grounds of Christianity or reason. To say that we might exclude any aliens we chose was to enunciate a pagan doctrine difficult to reconcile with the essential part of the Christian religion that subordinated national distinctions to our moral obligations. It was no extenuation of a wrong to say it was done to a man of another nationality.
It was obvious that an oppressed person had, prima facie, a right to 173 asylum, and if that right was withheld from him it must be shown that it was to prevent a greater evil. Could anything of the kind be shown in this case? He agreed with the Prime Minister that only a small class would be excluded under the Bill, and the whole scope of the Bill would not make a great difference to the country. It seemed to be overlooked that the burden of proving that he was the victim of persecution would be with the alien, he would have to satisfy the immigration board that he had been religiously oppressed and that that was the reason why he had passed the sea and come to this country. Unless he could prove that he would not get the benefit of the exemption, and surely the board could be trusted to discover the truth. Only a small number of persons would come within the exemption, for in the large number of cases friends would provide the refugee with sufficient money to take him outside the scope of the Bill altogether. It could make very little difference to the condition of things in the East End of London whether these few were or were not admitted, it would be no sensible eonomic factor. If they became in any considerable number chargeable to any union it would be an easy thing to relieve such union; and he was persuaded that if any community had the choice between bearing on the rates the burden of supporting the people and of sending them back to such persecution as the Jews had suffered in Russia, the community would not hesitate a moment in opening their door wide to the refugees. He would undertake to go to Stepney any day and convince the working men that that was their duty; and he was sure they would embrace it with positive enthusiasm. But they did not view this matter in its true light. What he wanted the Committee to do was to concentrate their minds on the case of an individual who had been in a scene of massacre, had lost, it might be, some of his relations, and had escaped from a place where pillage, cruelty, and all sorts of horrible acts were being perpetrated. Was he to be told that because he had not a certain property standard he was to be sent back whence he came? He was sure there was no body of Englishmen who 174 would tolerate such a thing. Therefore, he earnestly invited the Government to adopt some remedy which would prevent this Bill from being used in a way that would be an outrage on the moral sense of every Englishman.
§ MR. RUNCIMAN (Dewsbury)said the noble Lord's speech had sounded the right tone, and he was sure it would be responded to in the hearts of all the generous people of the United Kingdom. What a contrast it was to the speech they had just heard from the hon. Member for Stepney. It seemed for the time being to cut off from the hon. Member's nature every generous impulse which they believed to be characteristic of Englishmen. He was, however, not concerned so much with him as with the speech delivered that afternoon by the Prime Minister. He had had the fortune to hear that speech from beginning to end, and much as he admired the tone in which he opened, he heard many of the right hon. Gentleman's statements, first with pain, and afterwards with nothing short of disgust. The right hon. Gentleman's argument was based on two grounds. First of all, he said that the right of asylum in this country was by no means an immemorial custom, and that we at one time had been as much persecutors as were some European people at the present time. Secondly, the right hon. Gentleman stated that even if religious refugees came to this country they were to be kept out solely because they were likely to become a burden on the rates if admitted. Both these arguments were quite foreign to the people of the United Kingdom. The noble Lord had done well in choosing one particular instance. He could give the right hon. Gentleman many instances within his own knowledge of men who had been driven from Southern Russia by religious persecution, Christians as well as Jews, and had found their way to this country destitute of relations and property, men who had nothing but the clothes they were wearing, and who were bound to depend on such gratuitous generosity as they could find from the hospitable people of the United Kingdom. Were men who came under such circumstances as these 175 to be told that they would become a charge on the rates of Stepney, and therefore we had no use for them here? The Prime Minister said we welcomed the Huguenots because we were at war with their oppressors. But the persecution from which people in Southern Russia had fled from time to time was absolutely antagonistic to the people of this country, and every sentiment which we possessed was at war with the feeling of the Russian autocracy. The philosophic hair-splitting of the right hon. Gentleman in a matter of life and death would not be accepted by the people of this country as the expression of their true and highest feelings.
§ *MR. J. F. HOPE (Sheffield, Brightside)said he wished to re-echo everything that had been said on both sides of the House that the consideration of this subject must be absolutely free of the taint of anti-Semitism, which had hitherto been happily avoided in this country. The hon. Member who last spoke had truly said this was not a Jewish question alone. A Urge number of aliens who came to East London were Christian Poles, and they had been, not perhaps in equal degree, but in a very similar way subjected to the same kind of treatment as those Jews who came from the same country, and it was possible that before very long we might have incursions of subjects of the Turkish Empire coming for similar reasons. He believed that on both sides of the House there was a very genuine desire that the genuine religious refugee should not be a subject of any penal enactment; but of course they had to devise words whereby there should be some test between him and those who might abuse the protection. He could not help thinking that the words of the right hon. Baronet's Amendment were much too broad, and that if they were passed it would be competent for any alien, on being refused admission to this country, to say that the state of the law in the country he came from was not as good for the members of his religion as in England, and then it would be impossible to deny him admission. On the other hand, as to the Government Amendment, he could not help thinking that the words proposed by the Home Secretary were somewhat too narrow. 176 He thought they should find something between the two, in order to carry out the main purposes of the Bill and at the same time deal with the special case of the man who knew that if he remained in his own country his life, or at all events his safety, would be in danger. He was not a lawyer or a draftsman, but he ventured to suggest that the Government might consider the following—"Or on account of religious belief is unable to live without danger to life or limb in the place of his domicile."
§ MR. SYDNEY BUXTONsaid he believed there was in every quarter of the House a real desire to arrive at a conclusion in this matter which would be satisfactory not only to the House, but to the country at large. No doubt there was no legal right of asylum here, but the traditions of this country were in favour of admitting aliens who had been subjected to religious persecution in their own countries. This question was raised on the Second Reading of the Bill, and a strong desire was expressed that some unanimous conclusion should be come to in regard to it. He believed the right hon. Baronet was not particularly wedded to the words of his Amendment. The Amendment seemed to him too broad because he used the words "treatment" and "religious body." He thought the House desired to deal rather with the individual case than with a religious body as a whole. On the other hand it appeared to him that the Government proposal was far too narrow. The Government proposal was that an individual should be allowed to come into the country if there was actually some process of law in operation against him. A person against whom there was some process of law in operation would not be allowed to leave the country at all. It was the individual who feared that a process of law would be put in operation against him in his own country who should be allowed to come in. If the Amendment of his right hon. friend the Member for the Forest of Dean were amended in the sense suggested by the hon. and learned Member for Stretford and the noble Lord the Member for Greenwich, it would meet with the unanimous acceptance of the Committee.
MR. EENWICK (Newcastle-on-Tyne)joined in the appeal for words of greater liberality in regard to this most important question. The Government seemed to think that this was not a very large question, but he would point out to the Committee that the United States had already had to deal with it, and that they had found it a much larger question than many hon. Members seemed to believe. The United States did not deal with it on sentimental but on material grounds. In other words, they looked at it from the point of view whether the immigrants were desirable or not. If the immigrants were entering the United States to come into competition with workmen there they were not admitted. An hon. Member had stated that the Jewish body were prepared to guarantee that their destitute co-religionists would not become a charge upon the Poor Law. That was a statement which demanded the serious attention of this House. They all knew that a certain section of the Jewish community possessed enormous wealth, and that such a guarantee could easily be given. But it should be remembered that the poor Jewish aliens who came into this country entered into competition with the unfortunate people in the East End of London. He would like to call the attention of the Labour Members to the fact that these aliens were not members of trades unions, and that many of them had to work fifteen hours a day for 1s. 6d.
§ MR. RENWICKsaid he had no wish to travel away from the Amendment. He only wished to point out what was the effect of the competition by aliens in the East End. They had heard from the other side as to the poor rates at Stepney. The result of these conditions in the East End of London was to seriously increase the rates. He appealed to the House to cast sentiment aside and look at this question from an Imperial point of view.
§ MR. A. J. BALFOURsaid he did not intervene in order to reply to some of the 178 very singular attacks which had been made upon him in the course of the last two hours, although he might well have asked permission to do so. One hon. Gentleman seemed to think that he was justly open to the charge of inhumanity, and that he was indifferent to the sufferings of the Jewish race in Russia and other Eastern countries because he did not think that their rights, or indeed in any serious respect their interests, would be interfered with by the Bill. He would remind the Committee that at all events they who sat on that bench could not be regarded as indifferent to the interests of the race on behalf of whom the hon. Member for Whitechapel spoke. So far as he knew, alone among the nations of the world, and certainly alone among the Governments of this country, they had offered to the Jewish race a great tract of fertile land in one of our possessions in order that they might, if they desired it—[Ironical OPPOSITION laughter]—find an asylum from their persecutors at home. He did not know whether that offer was regarded as contemptuous or derisory, he could only say that such an offer had never yet been made by any country to the people on whose behalf the hon. Gentleman spoke.
He entirely agreed with his noble friend the Member for Greenwich that they must not regard moral questions as questions purely of a particular nation. That was a commonplace of morality which no human being could deny, but his noble friend would be the first in courtesy to admit that our primary duty was to our own countryman, and that universal morality was not aided but hindered by diminishing the weight of the obligation to those nearest to us. It WAS the men who professed a universal cosmopolitanism who did least first for their family, and then for their country. He agreed that they ought to look at this from a wide standpoint, but that did not carry with it any suggestion that our obligations at home were not far more pressing than our obligations abroad. He did not read in any narrow fashion these obligations. He had put to the Committee an argument to which no speaker who followed had replied—namely, if it Were a national obligation for us to relieve the persecuted immigrants from Russia, 179 Roumania, or wherever it might be, that obligation should fall upon the nation and not upon the particular locality. No answer had been made to that.
§ LORD HUGH CECILsaid that would be quite easy; the rates could be relieved.
§ MR. A. J. BALFOURsaid his noble friend was consistent and logical, though hon. Gentlemen opposite were consistent less often than he could desire. He largely agreed with his noble friend. He thought that if this country regarded it as its duty, in the face of some sudden persecution, or some sudden series of outrages upon an alien population, to give them an asylum, they must do it on some broad ground and let that House contribute. His noble friend agreed. [OPPOSITION cries of "We are all agreed."] That was the first suggestion he had heard of such agreement. No one during the last three or four hours had suggested that the proper way of dealing with the matter was by a Vote on the Estimates, nor was he aware that any such Vote had ever been passed.
§ *SIR CHARLES DILKEThe "Poor Palatines."
§ MR. A. J. BALFOURWell, there was the case of the Lisbon earthquake in 1705, which case was in his mind. This House did, it was true, contribute to mitigate the horrors consequent upon the Lisbon earthquake, but a great national calamity was not a contingency dealt with by this Amendment, which would simply throw on the ratepayers of a particular district the obligation of carrying out what it was suggested was a national responsibility. The real difficulty about this question was, after all, not the question of principle, but the difficulty of draftsmanship. There was a difficulty in the shades of difference that constituted religious or political persecution. When a man was brought up on a political or a religious charge, and given a definite punishment, the case might be clear. But by sensible modifications such cases shaded off to a point where it was almost impossible to say whether a man truly was the victim of what ought to be called religious perse- 180 cution, or whether he was using the fact that his life was made rather disagreeable to him in his own country as a reason for making himself a charge upon ours. The first of those cases they thought ought to be admitted. Possibly the words of the Government were too stringent; but he was certain the words of the right hon. Gentleman were far too lax. Perhaps they might agree on some formula between the two. He would suggest the addition to the Amendment of his right hon. friend the Home Secretary of other words which would make the whole Amendment read as follows—"Solely to avoid prosecution or punishment on religious grounds, or for an offence of a political nature, or to avoid danger to life or limb on account of his religious beliefs."[OPPOSITION cries of "Persecution."] Persecution was an extremely vague term, and he thought it would be better not to use it.
§ MR. ASQUITH (Fifeshire, E.)suggested that "or liberty" should be added to "life or limb."
§ MR. A. J. BALFOURthought the term was perhaps too wide, while "persecution" was far too vague. Perhaps it would be better to use the words "or danger of imprisonment." [OPPOSITION cries of "No."]
§ MR. CRIPPSsaid that what was wanted was to avoid danger to life, limb, or liberty on account of religious belief. So far as he was concerned he believed that the words of the Prime Minister would cover substantially all the cases which the Committee desired to see covered.
§ MR. CHURCHILL (Oldham)No.
§ MR. ASQUITHsaid he thought the word "imprisonment" was much too narrow. There were various other forms of coercion which amounted to a very serious disability. He would suggest the words, "or persecution involving danger to life, limb, or liberty."
§ LORD HUGH CECILasked if that incorporated in the Bill the doctrine against religious persecution? It seemed to him that it made it clear that we did not hold the right of asylum.
§ MR. A. J. BALFOURthought the following terms might meet nearly everybody's views: "In order to avoid persecution involving danger of imprisonment or danger to life or limb."
§ *MAJOR EVANS-GORDONsaid he had no objection to the word persecution; if qualified in some such way as was suggested it would satisfy him.
§ MR. A. J. BALFOUR; I think these words will meet the view of hon. Gentlemen opposite: "In order to avoid persecution involving danger of imprisonment or danger to life or limb. "[Cries of "Why not 'liberty.'"]
§ *SIR CHARLES DILKEsaid that if the Prime Minister had accepted the suggestion of his right hon. friend the Member for East Fife he should have at once withdrawn his Amendment, or he would have been willing to withdraw if he had accepted the suggestion of the noble Lord the Member for Greenwich or that made by the hon. Member for the Stretford Division.
§ LORD HUGH CECILsaid he did not think the difference between "imprisonment" and "liberty" was very great. He suggested that they should put in "liberty" now and consider whether they should put in "imprisonment" on the Report stage.
§ MR. CRIPPSthought the words of the Prime Minister would cover substantially all the cases which the Committee desired to see covered.
§ MR. CHURCHILLNo.
§ MR. CRIPPSMay I appeal to the right hon. Baronet not to press his Amendment.
§ *SIR CHARLES DILKEI certainly will not withdraw unless we get something more definite.
§ MR. JOHN BURNS (Battersea)said the Prime Minister on his own initiative and by his own volition suggested "liberty" in the first instance. [Cries of "No."] He appealed to the right hon. Gentleman not to be influenced by certain unchari- 182 table words which had been addressed to him, but to stick to the words "life limb, and liberty," all of which connoted and denoted what the House on both sides were prepared to agree to without a division. He appealed to the Prime Minister to rise to the level of the occasion and let them settle this matter without a division.
THE CHAIRMANI should like to explain the position we are in. If this Amendment is defeated it will be after eleven o'clock, and then I cannot put any Amendment except the Government Amendments. If this matter is not settled before eleven o'clock then I must put the Amendment on the Paper and no other.
§ MR. ASQUITHagain appealed to the Government to include the word "liberty," because "imprisonment" would not include such obvious cases as the confiscation of property.
§ MR. A. J. BALFOURsaid, as he had already pointed out, the word "liberty" would have far too wide an application.
MAJOR SEELYurged the Prime Minister to accept the word "liberty," and pointed out that any difficulties such as the objections raised to this word by the right hon. Gentleman could be settled by regulations, which in the past had been made in regard to similar matters.
§ MR. CLAUDE HAY, whose remarks were almost inaudible in the Press Gallery, was understood to say that he hoped the Government would not agree to any compromise upon this question, because the compromise which had been suggested would make it possible for the 5,000,000 Jews in Russia to come to this country, and become competitors with the unskilled labourers in this country. They had no right to be generous at other people's expense. [OPPOSITION cries of "Divide, divide."] Hon. Members might call out "Divide, divide," but he claimed that he had as much right to have his say upon this subject of Jewish persecution as any other hon. Member. [More interruptions and cries of "go on" and "Agreed."] The people who were oppressed ought to take their part as men in their own country in upsetting and 183 overthrowing the misrule which oppressed them, and which was condemned by all right thinking men throughout the civilised world. [Cries of "Divide, divide."] He thought the Government, should adhere to their proposal—
And, it being Eleven of the clock, the Chairman proceeded, in pursuance of the Order of the House of the 5th July, to
§ put the Question on the Amendment already proposed from the Chair.
§ Question put, "That the words 'by reason of the treatment of the religious body to which he belongs or' be there inserted."
§ The Committee divided:—Ayes, 189; Noes, 223. (Division List No. 257.)
187| AYES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Cork, N.E. | Fenwick, Charles | Murphy, John |
| Abraham, William (Rhondda) | Field, William | Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway,N |
| Allen, Charles P. | Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N.E. | Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) |
| Ashton, Thomas Gair | Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond | Norman, Henry |
| Asquith, Rt.Hn. Herb. Henry | Flavin, Michael Joseph | Nussey, Thomas Willans |
| Atherley-Jones, L. | Flynn, James Christopher | O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid) |
| Austin, Sir John | Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) |
| Baker, Joseph Allen | Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry | O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) |
| Barlow, John Emmott | Freeman-Thomas, Captain F. | O'Connor, James (Wicklow,W. |
| Barran, Rowland Hirst | Fuller, J. M. F. | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) |
| Beaumont, Wentworth C. B. | Gladstone. Rt. Hn. Herb, John | O'Dowd, John |
| Benn, John Williams | Griffith, Ellis J. | O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) |
| Black, Alexander William | Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | O'Kelly, James (Roscommon,N |
| Boland, John | Haldane, Rt. Hn. Richard B. | O'Malley, William |
| Bolton, Thomas Dolling | Hammond. John | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. |
| Brigg, John | Harcourt, Lewis | Parrott, William |
| Bright, Allan Hey wood | Hardie, J Keir (Merthyr Tydvil | Partington, Oswald |
| Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson | Harmsworth, R. Leicester | Paulton, James Mellor |
| Bryce, Rt. Hon. James | Harwood, George | Pease, J.A. (Saffron Walden |
| Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn | Hayden, John Patrick | Perks, Robert William |
| Burke, E. Haviland | Helme, Norval Watson | Philipps, John Wynford |
| Burns, John | Higham, John Sharp | Pirie, Duncan V. |
| Burt, Thomas | Holland, Sir William Henry | Power, Patrick Joseph |
| Buxton, N.E. (YorkNRWhitby | Hutchinson, Dr. Chas. Fredk. | Price, Robert John |
| Buxton, Sydney Chas. (Poplar | Hutton, Alfred E. (Motley) | Priestley, Arthur |
| Caldwell, James | Isaacs, Rufus Daniel | Rea, Russell |
| Cameron, Robert | Jacoby, James Alfred | Reckitt, Harold James |
| Campbell John (Armagh, S.) | Joicey, Sir James | Reddy, M. |
| Campbell-Bannerman, Sir, H. | Jones, David B. (Swansea) | Redmond, John E. (Waterford |
| Causton Richard Knight | Jones, Leif (Appleby) | Rickett, J. Compton |
| Cawley, Frederick | Jones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire) | Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) |
| Channing, Francis Allston | Joyce, Michael | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) |
| Gheetham, John Frederick | Kearley, Hudson E. | Robson, William Snowdon |
| Churchill, Winston Spencer | Kennedy, Vincent P. (CavanW. | Roe, Sir Thomas |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | Lambert, George | Rose, Charles Day |
| Cremer, William Randal | Lamont, Norman | Runciman Walter |
| Crombie, John William | Langley, Batty | Russell, T. W. |
| Crooks, William | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) | Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland) |
| Cullinan, J. | Layland-Barratt, Francis | Schwann, Charles E. |
| Dalziel, James Henry | Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington) | Seely, MajJEB(Isle of Wight) |
| Davies, M. Vanghan (Cardigan | Leng, Sir John | Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) |
| Delany, William | Levy, Maurice | Sheehy, David |
| Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway | Lewis John Herbert | Shipman, Dr. John G. |
| Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh. | Lough Thomas | Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) |
| Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P. | Lundon, W. | Slack, John Bamford |
| Dobbie, Joseph | Lyell, Chas. Henry | Smith, Samuel (Flint) |
| Donelan, Captain A. | MacNeill. John Gordon Swift | Soames, Arthur Wellesley |
| Doogan, P. C. | MacVeagh, Jeremiah | Soares, Ernest J. |
| Douglas, Chas. M. (Lanark) | M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) | Spencer, Rt. Hn.CR(Northants |
| Duncan, J. Hastings | M'Crae, George | Stanhope, Hon. Philip James |
| Dunn, Sir William | M'Kean, John | Sullivan, Donal |
| Edwards, Frank | M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin | Taylor, Theodore C(Radcliffe) |
| Ellice, Capt EC(SAndrw'sB'ghs | Mansfield, Horace Rendall | Tennant, Harold John |
| Ellis, John Edward (Notts) | Markham, Arthur Basil | Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E. |
| Emmott, Alfred | Mooney, John J. | Thomson, F. W. (York, W.R.) |
| Esmonde, Sir Thomas | Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen | Tomkinson, James |
| Eve, Harry Trelawney | Moulton, John Fletcher | Toulmin, George |
| Trevelyan, Charles Philips | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) | Younger, William |
| Wallace, Robert | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer | Yoxall, James Henry |
| Walton, Joseph (Barnsley) | Williams, Osmond (Merioneth) | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir |
| Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan | Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull, W. | Charles Dilke and Mr |
| Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney) | Wilson, Fred W. (Norfolk, Mid | Stuart Samuel |
| Weir, James Galloway | Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R. | |
| White, Luke (York, E R.) | Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.) | |
| Whiteley, George (York, W.R.) | Woodhouse, SirJT(Huddersf'd | |
| NOES. | ||
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Fellowes, RtHnAilwynEdward | Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage |
| Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel | Fergusson, Rt. Hn SirJ(Manc'r | Lockwood, Lieut.- Col. A. R. |
| Allsopp, Hn. George | Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. | Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham |
| Anson, Sir William Reynell | Finlay, SirR.B.(Inv'rn'ssB'ghs | Long, RtHnWalter(Bristol, S. |
| Arkwright, John Stanhope | Fisher, William Hayes | Lonsdale, John Brownlee |
| Arnold-Forster, Rt. Hn. H. O. | Flannery, Sir Fortescue | Loyd, Archie Kirkman |
| Arrol, Sir William | Flower, Sir Ernest | Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft |
| Atkinson, Rt. Hn. John | Forster, Henry William | Lucas, Reginald J (Portsmouth |
| Baget, Capt Josceline FitzRoy | Galloway, William Johnson | Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred |
| Bailey, James (Walworth) | Gardner, Ernest | Macdona, John Cumming |
| Bain, Colonel James Robert | Garfit, William | MacIver, David (Liverpool) |
| Balcarres, Lord | Gibbs, Hn. A. G. H. | Maconochie, A. W. |
| Balfour, Rt. Hn. A.J(Manch'r. | Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk. | M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) |
| Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) | Gordon, HnJE (Elgin & Nairn) | M'Iver,.SirLewis(EdinburghW. |
| Balfour, Rt Hn GeraldW(Leeds | Gordon, MajEvans(T'rH'mlets | M'Killop, James (Stirlingsh. |
| Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. | Gore, Hn. S. F. Ormsby- | Malcolm, Ian |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Goschen, Hn. George Joachim | Manners, Lord Cecil |
| Bartley, Sir George C T. | Goulding, Edward Alfred | Marks, Harry Hananel |
| Bathurst, Hn. Allen Benjamin | Graham, Henry Robert | Martin, Richard Biddulph |
| Bentinck, Lord Henry C. | Gray, Ernest (West Ham | Melville, Beresford Valentine |
| Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. | Greene, H. D. (Shrewsbury) | Middlemore, J. Throgmorton |
| Bignold, Sir Arthur | Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs.) | Milvain, Thomas |
| Bigwood, James | Grenfell, William Henry | Molesworth, Sir Lewis |
| Bill, Charles | Greville, Hn. Ronald | Montagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants) |
| Bingham, Lord | Groves, James Grimble | Moon, Edward Robert Pacy |
| Blundell, Colonel Henry | Hall, Edward Marshall | Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow) |
| Bond, Edward | Halsey, Rt. Hn. Thomas F. | Morrell, George Herbert. |
| Brassey, Albert | Hambro, Charles Eric | Morrison, James Archibald |
| Brodrick, Rt. Hn. St. John | Hamilton,Marq of(L'nd'nderry | Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer |
| Brymer, William Ernest | Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford) | Mount, William Arthur |
| Bull, William James | Hare, Thomas Leigh | Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. |
| Butcher, John George | Hay, Hon. Claude George. | Muntz, Sir Philip A. |
| Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H | Heath, Arthur Howard(Hartley | Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) |
| Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbysh. | Heaton, John Henniker | Myers, William Henry |
| Cayzer, Sir Charles William | Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W. | Nicholson, William Graham |
| Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. | Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury) |
| Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) | Hill, Henry Staveley | Parker, Sir Gilbert |
| Chamberlain, RtHnJ. A. (Worc. | Hoare, Sir Samuel | Pease, Herb. Pike (Darlington |
| Chamberlayne, T.(S thampton | Hogg, Lindsay | Peel, Hn. Wm. Robt.Wellesley |
| Chapman, Edward | Hope, J F(Sheffield, Brightside | Percy, Earl |
| Clive, CaptainPercy A. | Houldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry | Pierpoint, Robert |
| Coates, Edward Feetham | Hoult, Joseph | Platt-Higgins, Frederick |
| Cochrane, Hn. Thos. H. A. E. | Houston, Robert Paterson | Plummer, Sir Walter R. |
| Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole | Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham | Powell, Sir Francis Sharp |
| Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas | Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil | Pretyman, Ernest George |
| Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Hunt, Rowland | Pryce-Jones, Lt. Col. Edward |
| Cripps, Charles Alfred | Jameson, Major J. Eustace | Purvis, Robert |
| Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) | Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse | Pym, C. Guy |
| Cubitt, Hon. Henry | Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred | Rankin, Sir James |
| Delkeith, Earl of | Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T. (Denbigh | Ratcliff, R. F. |
| Dalrymple, Sir Charles | Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hn. Col.W | Reid, James (Greenock) |
| Davenport, Wm. Bromley | Kerr, John | Remnant, James Farquharson |
| Dickinson, Robert Edmond | Keswick, William | Renwick, George |
| Dickson, Charles Scott | Kimber, Sir Henry | Ridley, S. Forde |
| Dimsdale, Rt. Hn.Sir Joseph C | King, Sir Henry Seymour | Ritchie, Rt Hn Chas. Thomson |
| Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph | Laurie, Lieut.-General | Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) |
| Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers- | Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) | Robertson, Herb. (Hackney) |
| Duke, Henry Edward | Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool) | Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye |
| Egerton, Hn. A. de Tatton | Lawson, Hn. H.L.W(Mile End | Round, Rt. Hon. James |
| Faber, Edmund B. (Hants., W | Lee, Arthur H (Hants,Fareham | Royds, Clement Molyneux |
| Faber, George Denison (York) | Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) | Rutherford, John (Lancashire |
| Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) | Stewart, Sir Mark J M'Taggart | Welby, Sir Chas. G.E. (Notts.) |
| Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford | Stock, James Henry | Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon |
| Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander | Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley | Wharton, Rt. Hn. John Lloyd |
| Saunderson, RtHn Col.Edw. J. | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) | Whiteley, H. (Ashton undLyne |
| Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W. | Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth | Wilson, John (Glasgow) |
| Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln) | Thorburn, Sir Walter | Wilson-Todd, Sir W.H. (Yorks |
| Sharpe, William Edward T. | Tollemache, Henry James | Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm |
| Shaw-Stewart, Sir H(Renfrew) | Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M. | Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson |
| Skewes-Cox. Thomas | Tuff, Charles | Wrightson, Sir Thomas |
| Smith, Abel H (Hertford, East) | Tufnell, Lieut,- Col. Edward | Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H. |
| Smith, HC(North'mbTyneside | Tuke, Sir John Batty | TELLERS FOR. THE NOES—Sir |
| Smith, RtHnJParker (Lanarks | Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter) | Alexander Acland-Hood and |
| Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand) | Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. H. | Viscount Valentia. |
| Spear, John Ward | Warde, Colonel C. E. | |
| Stanley, Rt. Hn. Lord (Lancs.) | Welby, Lt.-ColA.C. E.(Taunton |
Question, "That the Amendment be made," put, and agreed to.
§ The Chairman then proceeded successively to put forthwith the Question on any Amendments moved by the Government of which notice had been given, and on every Question necessary to dispose of the business allotted to the sitting.
§
Amendment proposed—
In page 2, line 12, at the end, to insert the words, 'nor shall leave to land be withheld in the case of an immigrant who shows to the satisfaction of the immigration officer or board concerned with the case that, having taken his ticket in the United Kingdom and embarked direct therefrom for some other country immediately after a period of residence in the United Kingdom of not less than six months, he has been refused admission in that country and returned direct therefrom to a port in the United Kingdom.' "—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)
§
Amendment proposed—
After the words last inserted, to insert the words, 'and leave to land shall not be refused merely on the ground of want of means to any immigrant who satisfies the immigration officer or board concerned with the case that he was born in the United Kingdom, his father being a British subject, and that he intends to make
only a temporary stay in the United Kingdom.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)
§
Amendment proposed—
In page 2, line 17, at the end, to insert the words 'or if security is given to his satisfaction that undesirable immigrants will not be landed in the United Kingdom from those ships except for the purpose of transit.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)
§
Amendment proposed—
In page 2, line 22, at the end to insert the words 'but an immigrant conditionally disembarked shall not be deemed to have landed so long as the conditions are complied with.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)
§ Question put, "That the clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill."
§ The Committee divided:—Ayes, 237; Noes, 188. (Division List No. 258.)
193| AYES. | ||
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Anson, Sir William Reynell | Arrol, Sir William |
| Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel | Arkwright, John Stanhope | Atkinson, Rt. Hn. John |
| Allsopp, Hon. George | Arnold-Forster, Rt. Hn. H. O. | Bagot, Capt Josceline FitzRoy |
| Bailey, James (Walworth) | Graham, Henry Robert | Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow) |
| Bain, Colonel James Robert | Gray, Ernest (West Ham) | Morrell, George Herbert |
| Balcarres, Lord | Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury | Morrison, James Archibald |
| Balfour, RtHn. A.J. (Manch'r) | Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs.) | Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer |
| Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) | Grenfell, William Henry | Mount, William Arthur |
| Balfour, Rt Hn GeraldW(Leeds | Greville, Hon. Ronald | Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. |
| Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. | Groves, James Grimble | Muntz, Sir Philip A. |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Hall, Edward Marshall | Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) |
| Bartley, Sir George C. T. | Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F. | Myers, William Henry |
| Bathurst, Hn. Allen Benjamin | Hambro, Charles Eric | Nicholson, William Graham |
| Bentinck, Lord Henry C. | Hamilton, Marq of L'nd'nderry | Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury) |
| Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. | Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford) | Parker, Sir Gilbert |
| Bignold, Sir Arthur | Hare, Thomas Leigh | Pease, Herb. Pike (Darlington |
| Bigwood, James | Hay, Hon. Claude George | Peel, Hn. Wm. Robt, Wellesley |
| Bill, Charles | Heath, Arthur H. (Hanley) | Percy, Earl |
| Bingham, Lord | Heath, Sir Jas. (Staffords,NW | Pierpoint, Robert |
| Blundell, Colonel Henry | Heaton, John Henniker | Platt-Higgins, Frederick |
| Bond, Edward | Henderson, Sir A(Stafford, W. | Plummer, Sir Walter R. |
| Brassey, Albert | Hermon-Hodgo, Sir Robert T. | Powell, Sir Francis Sharp |
| Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John | Hickman, Sir Alfred | Pretyman, Ernest George |
| Brymer, William Ernest | Hill, Henry Staveley | Pryee-Jones, Lt.-Col Edward |
| Bull, William James | Hoare, Sir Samuel | Purvis, Robert |
| Butcher, John George | Hogg, Lindsay | Pym, C. Guy |
| Buxton, Sydney Chas (Poplar | Hope, J F (Sheffield,Brightside | Rankin, Sir James |
| Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H. | Houldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry | Ratcliff, R. F. |
| Cavendish, V. O. W. (Derbysh. | Hoult, Joseph | Reid, James (Greenock) |
| Cayzer, Sir Charles William | Houston, Robert Paterson | Remnant, James Farquharson |
| Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor | Howard, J. (Kent,Faversham | Renwick, George |
| Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) | Hozier, Hon. James HenryCecil | Ridley, S. Forde |
| Chamberlain, RtHnJ. A. (Worc. | Hunt, Rowland | Ritchie, Rt. Hn. ChasThomson |
| Chamberlayne, T. (S'thampton | Jameson, Major J. Eustace | Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) |
| Chapman, Edward | ebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse | Robertson, Herb. (Hackney) |
| Clive, Captain Percy A. | Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred | Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye |
| Coates, Edward Feetham | Jessel, Captain HerbertMerton | Round, Rt. Hon. James |
| Cochrane, Hn. Thos. H.A.E. | Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T. (Denbigh | Royds, Clement Molyneaux |
| Colston, Chas Edw H Athole | Kenyon-Slaney, RtHn. Col W. | Rutherford, John (Lancashire |
| Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas | Kerr, John | Rutherford, W.W. (Liverpool) |
| Corbett, T. L. (Down, North | Keswick, William | Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford |
| Cross, Charles Alfred | Kimber, Sir Henry | Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander |
| Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) | King, Sir Henry Seymour | Samuel, Sir H. S. (Limehouse) |
| Cubitt, Hon. Henry | Lamont, Norman | Saunderson, Rt.HnColEdw. J. |
| Dalkeith, Earl of | Laurie, Lieut-General | Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) |
| Dalrymple, Sir Charles | Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) | Sharpe, William Edward |
| Davenport, William Bromley | Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool) | Shaw-Stewart, Sir H (Renfrew |
| Denny, Colonel | Lawson, Hn H L W (Mile End) | Skewes-Cox, Thomas |
| Dickinson, Robert Edmond | Lee, ArthurH. (Hants,Fareham | Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East |
| Dickson, Charles Scott | Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) | Smith,H.C (North'mbTyneside |
| Dimsdale, RtHn. Sir Joseph C. | Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage | Smith, Rt HnJ Parker(Lanarks |
| Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph | Lookwood, Lieut.- Col. A. R. | Smith, Hn. W. F. D. (Strand) |
| Doughty, Sir George | Long, Col Chas W(Evesham) | Spear, John Ward |
| Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers- | Long, RtHn Walter (Bristol, S. | Stanley, Rt Hn Lord (Lancs) |
| Duke, Henry Edward | Lonsdale, John Brownlee | Stewart, Sir M. J. M'Taggart |
| Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton | Loyd, Archie Kirkman | Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M. |
| Faber, Admund B. (Hants, W. | Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft | Stock, James Henry |
| Faber, George. Denison (York) | Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsm'th | Strutt, Hn. Charles Hedley |
| Fellowes, RtHnAilwynEdward | Lyttelton, Rt. Hn. Alfred | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) |
| Fergusson, Rt. HnSirJ(Manc'r. | Macdona, John Cumming | Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth) |
| Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. | MacIver, David (Liverpool) | Thorburn, Sir Walter |
| Finlay, Sir R. B(Inv'rn'ssB'ghs | Maconochie, A. W. | Thornton, Percy M. |
| Fisher, William Hayes | MacVeagh, Jeremiah | Tollemache, Henry James |
| Flannery, Sir Fortescue | M'Arthur, Chas. (Liverpool) | Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M. |
| Flower, Sir Ernest | M'Iver, SirLewis(Edinburgh,W | Tritton, Charles Ernest |
| Forster, Henry William | M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire | Tuff, Charles |
| Galloway, William Johnson | Malcolm, Ian | Tuffnell, Lieut.-Col Edward |
| Gardner, Ernest | Manners, Lord Cecil | Tuke, Sir John Batty |
| Garfit, William | Marks, Harry Hananel | Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter) |
| Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H. | Martin, Richard Biddulph | Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. H. |
| Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk | Melville, Beresford Valentine | Warde, Colonel C. E. |
| Gordon, Hn J E (Elgin&Nairn) | Middlemore, J. Throgmorton | Welby, Lt.-Col ACE(Taunton) |
| Gordon, MajEvans(T'rH'mlets | Milvain, Thomas | Welby, Sir Charles G. E(Notts |
| Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby- | Molesworth, Sir Lewis | Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon |
| Goschen, Hn. George Joachim | Montagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants | Wharton, Rt. Hn. John Lloyd |
| Goulding, Edward Alfred | Moon, Edward Robert Pacy |
| Whiteley, H.(Ashton und Lyne | Wilson-Todd, Sir W H (Yorks.) | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir |
| Whitmore, Charles Algernon | Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm | Alexander Acland-Hood and |
| Willoughby de Eresby, Lord | Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson | Viscount Valentia. |
| Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R | Wrightson, Sir Thomas | |
| Wilson, John (Glasgow) | Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H. | |
| NOES. | ||
| Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N.E.) | Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond | O'Dowd, John |
| Abraham, William (Rhondda) | Flavin, Michael Joseph | O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) |
| Allen, Charles P. | Flynn, James Christopher | O'Kelly, James(Roscommon,N |
| Ashton, Thomas Gair | Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) | O'Malley, William |
| Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herb. Henry | Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. |
| Atherley-Jones, L. | Freeman-Thomas, Captain F. | Parrott, William |
| Austin, Sir John | Fuller, J. M. F. | Partington, Oswald |
| Baker, Joseph Allen | Grey, Rt. Hn. Sir E.(Berwick | Paulton, James Mellor |
| Barlow, John Emmott | Griffith, Ellis J. | Pearson, Sir Weetman D. |
| Barran, Rowland Hirst | Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden |
| Beaumont, Wentworth C. B. | Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B. | Perks, Robert William |
| Benn, John Williams | Hammond, John | Philipps, John Wynford |
| Black, Alexander William | Hardie, J. Keir(MerthyrTydvil | Pirie, Duncan V. |
| Boland, John | Harmsworth, R. Leicester | Power, Patrick Joseph |
| Bolton, Thomas Dolling | Harwood, George | Price, Robert John |
| Brigg, John | Hayden, John Patrick | Priestley, Arthur |
| Bright, Allan Heywood | Holme, Norval Watson | Rea, Russell |
| Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson | Higham, John Sharp | Reckitt, Harold James |
| Bryee, Rt. Hon. James | Holland, Sir William Henry | Reddy, M. |
| Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn | Hutchinson, Dr. Chas. Fredk. | Redmond, John E. (Waterford |
| Burke, E. Haviland | Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) | Rickett, J. Compton |
| Burns, John | Isaacs, Rufus Daniel | Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) |
| Burt, Thomas | Jacoby, James Alfred | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) |
| Buxton,N.E(York,NR,Whitby | Joicey, Sir James | Robson, William Snowdon |
| Caldwell, James | Jones, David B. (Swansea | Roe, Sir Thomas |
| Cameron, Robert | Jones, Leif (Appleby) | Rose, Charles Day |
| Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) | Jones, William (Carnarvonsh. | Runciman, Walter |
| Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. | Joyce, Michael | Russell, T. W. |
| Causton, Richard Knight | Kearley, Hudson E. | Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland) |
| Cawley, Frederick | Kennedy, Vincent P(Cavan, W | Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) |
| Channing, Francis Allston | Lambert, George | Schwann, Charles E. |
| Cheetham, John Frederick | Langley, Batty | Seely, Maj. J.E.B. (IsleofWight |
| Churchill, Winston Spencer. | Law, Hugh Alex (Donegal, W. | Shaw, Chas. Edw. (Stafford) |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall | Sheehy, David |
| Cremer, William Randal | Layland-Barratt, Francis | Shipman, Dr. John G. |
| Crombie, John William | Leese, Sir J. F. (Aecrington) | Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) |
| Crooks, William | Leng, Sir John | Slack, John Bamford |
| Cullinan, J. | Levy, Maurice | Smith, Samuel (Flint) |
| Dalziel, James Henry | Lewis, John Herbert | Soames, Arthur Wellesley |
| Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigay | Lough, Thomas | Soares, Ernest J. |
| Delany, William | Luudon, W. | Spencer, Rt Hn C R(Northants |
| Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway | Lyell, Charles Henry | Stanhope, Hon. Hn. Philip Jas. |
| Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh | MacNeill, John Gordon Swift | Sullivan, Donal |
| Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P. | M'Crae, George | Taylor, Theodore C.(Radcliffe) |
| Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles | M'Kean, John | Tennant, Harold John |
| Dobbie, Joseph | M'Laren, Sir Chas. Benjamin | Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E. |
| Donclan, Captain A. | Mansfield, Horace Rendall | Thomson, F. W. (York, W.R.) |
| Doogan, P. C. | Markham, Arthur Basil | Tomkinson, James |
| Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) | Mooney, John J. | Toulmin, George |
| Duncan, J. Hastings | Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
| Dunn, Sir William | Moulton, John Fletcher | Wallace, Robert |
| Edwards, Frank | Murphy, John | Walton, Joseph (Barnsley) |
| Elibank, Master of | Nolan, Col. John P(Galway, N. | Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan |
| Ellice,CaptEC (SAndrw'sB'ghs | Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) | Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney |
| Ellis, John Edward (Notts) | Norman, Henry | Weir, James Galloway |
| Emmott, Alfred | Nussey, Thomas Willans | White, Luke (York, E. R.) |
| Esmonde, Sir Thomas | O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid | Whiteley, George (York, W.R. |
| Eve, Harry Trelawney | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) |
| Fenwick, Charles | O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N. | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer |
| Field, William | O'Connor, James (Wicklow,W | Williams, Osmond (Merioneth) |
| Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N.E,) | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) |
| Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull, W. | Wilson, John (Durham, Mid | TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. |
| Wilson, FredW(Norfolk, Mid.) | Woodhouse, SirJT(Huddersf'd | Herbert Gladstone and Mr. |
| Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R.) | Yoxall, James Henry | William M'Arthur. |
Question, "That the Amendment be made," put, and agreed to.
§ Clause 2:—
§
Amendment proposed—
In page 2, line 30, to leave out the word 'landing of immigrants for the purpose of,' and insert the words 'disembarkation of immigrants for the purpose of inspection'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas)—instead thereof.
§
Amendment proposed—
In page 2, line 33, to leave out the words 'holding of meetings of the board if convenient on an immigrant ship,' and insert the words 'place of meeting of the board.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas)—instead thereof.
§
Amendment proposed—
In page 2, line 36, to leave out the word landed,' and insert the word 'disembarked.'
§ —(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas)— instead thereof.
§
Amendment proposed—
In page 2, line 36, at the end, to insert the words 'Rules made under this section shall provide for notice being given to masters of immigrant ships and immigrants informing them of their right of appeal, and also, where leave to land is withheld in the case of any immigrant by the immigration officer, for notice being given to the immigrant and the master of the immigrant ship of the grounds on which leave has been withheld.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)
§ Question put, "That the clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill."
§ The Committee divided;—Ayes, 237; Noes, 187. (Division List No. 259.)
197| AYES. | ||
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Bathurst, Hn. Allen Benjamin | Chamberlain.Rt.Hn. J. (Birm.) |
| Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel | Bentinck, Lord Henry C. | Chamberlain,Rt.HnJA.(Wore) |
| Allsopp, Hon, George | Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. | Chamberlayne,T. (S'thampton) |
| Anson, Sir William Reynell | Bignold, Sir Arthur | Chapman, Edward |
| Arkwright, John Stanhope | Bigwcod, James | Clive, Captain Percy A. |
| Arnold-Forster,Rt.Hn.Hugh O. | Bingham, Lord | Coates, Edward Feetham |
| Arrol, Sir William | Blundell, Colonel Henry | Cochrane, Hn Thos H. A. E. |
| Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John | Bond, Edward | Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole |
| Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy | Brassey, Albert | Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas |
| Bailey, James (Walworth) | Brodrick, Rt. Hn. St. John | Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) |
| Bain, Colonel James Robert | Brymer, William Ernest | Cripps, Chas. Alfred |
| Balcarres, Lord | Bull, William James | Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) |
| Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'r | Butcher, John George | Cubitt, Hon. Henry |
| Balfour, Capt C. B. (Hornsey) | Buxton, Sydney Chas. (Poplar) | Dalkeith, Earl of |
| Balfour, RtHn.GeraldW(Leeds | Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H. | Dalrymple, Sir Charles |
| Balfour, Kenneth R.(Christch.) | Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh.) | Davenport, W. Bromley |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Cayzer, Sir Charles William | Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham) |
| Hartley, Sir George C.T. | Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Denny, Colonel |
| Dickinson, Robert Edmond | Kerr, John | Reid, James (Greenock) |
| Dickson, Charles Scott | Keswick, William | Remnant, James Farquharson |
| Dimsdale, RtHn Sir Joseph C. | Kimber, Sir Henry | Renwick, George |
| Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph | King, Sir Henry Seymour | Ridley, S. Forde |
| Doughty, Sir George | Lamont, Norman | Ritchie, Rt.Hn. Chas.Thomson |
| Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers | Laurie, Lieut.-General | Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) |
| Duke, Henry Edward | Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) | Robertson, Herb. (Hackney) |
| Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton | Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool) | Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye |
| Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.) | Lawson, Hn. H.L.W.(Mile End | Round, Rt. Hon. James |
| Faber, George Denison (York) | Lee, A. H. (Hants., Fareham) | Royds, Clement Molyneux |
| Fellowes,RtHn.AilwynEdward | Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) | Rutherford, John (Lancashire) |
| Fergusson, Rt Hn.SirJ.(Manc'r | Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage | Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) |
| Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. | Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. | Sackville, Col. S. G. (Stopford) |
| Finlay, Sir R. B.(Inv'rn'ssB'gs | Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham) | Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander |
| Fisher, William Hayes | Long, RtHnWalter (Bristol,S | Samuel, Sir H. S. (Limehouse |
| Flannery, Sir Fortescue | Lonsdale, John Brownlee | Saunderson, Rt. Hn. Col.Edw.J |
| Flower, Sir Ernest | Loyd, Archie Kirkman | Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) |
| Forster, Henry William | Lucas, Col Francis (Lowestoft) | Sharpe, William Edward T. |
| Galloway, William Johnson | Lucas, ReginaldJ. (Portsmouth | Shaw-Stewart, Sir H. (Renfrew) |
| Gardner, Ernest | Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred | Skewes-Cox, Thomas |
| Garfit, William | Macdona, John Cumming | Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East) |
| Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H. | MacIver, David (Liverpool) | Smith, HC(North'mbTyneside) |
| Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk. | Maconochie, A. W. | Smith, RtHnJParker (Lanarks |
| Gordon,Hn. J. E.(Elgin&Nairn) | M'Arthur, Chas. (Liverpool) | Smith, Hn. W. F. D. (Strand) |
| Gordon, Maj Evans (T'rH'm'ts | M'Iver, Sir Lewis(EdinburghW | Spear, John Ward |
| Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby | M,Killop, James (Stirlingsh. | Stanley, Rt. Hn. Lord (Lancs) |
| Goschen, Hn. George Joachim | Malcolm, Ian | Stewart, Sir M. J. M'Taggart |
| Goulding, Edward Alfred | Manners, Lord Cecil | Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M. |
| Graham, Henry Robert | Markham, Arthur Basil | Stock, James Henry |
| Gray, Ernest (West Ham) | Marks, Harry Hananel | Strutt, Hn. Charles Hedley |
| Greene, H. D. (Shrewsbury) | Martin, Richard Biddulph | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) |
| Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs) | Melville, Beresford Valentine | Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth) |
| Grenfell, William Henry | Middlemore, J. Throgmorton | Thorburn, Sir Walter |
| Greville, Hon. Ronald | Milner, Rt. Hn, Sir Fredk G. | Thornton, Percy M. |
| Groves, James Grimble | Milvain, Thomas | Tollemache, Henry James |
| Hall, Edward Marshall | Molesworth, Sir Lewis | Tomlinson, Sir Win. Edw. M. |
| Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F. | Montagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants) | Tritton, Charles Ernest |
| Hambro, Charles Eric | Moon, Edward Robert Pacy | Tuff, Charles |
| Hamilton, Marq.of(L'donderry | Morgan, DavidJ(Walthamstow | Tufnell, Lieut-Col. Edward |
| Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford) | Morrell, George Herbert | Tuke, Sir John Batty |
| Hare, Thomas Leigh | Morrison, James Archibald | Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter) |
| Hay Hon. Claude George | Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer | Walrond, Rt. Hon, Sir Wm. H |
| Heath, Arthur H. (Hanley) | Mount, William Arthur | Warde, Colonel C.E. |
| Heath, Sir Jas. (StaffordsNW | Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. | Welby,Lt.-Col. A.C.E. (Taunton |
| Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W. | Muntz, Sir Philip A. | Welby, Sir Chas. G.E. (Notts.) |
| Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. | Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) | Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon |
| Hickman, Sir Alfred | Myers, William Henry | Wharton, Rt. Hn. John Lloyd |
| Hill, Henry Staveley | Nicholson, William Graham | Whiteley, H.(Ashton undLyne |
| Hoare, Sir Samuel | Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury) | Whitmore, Charles Algernon |
| Hogg, Lindsay | Parker, Sir Gilbert | Willoughby de Eresby, Lord |
| Hope, J.F.(Sheffield,Brightside | Pease, Herb. Pike(Darlington) | Wilson, A. Stanley (York,E.R. |
| Houldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry | Peel, HnWmRobt.Wellesley | Wilson, John (Glasgow) |
| Hoult, Joseph | Percy, Earl | Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm |
| Houston, Robert Paterson | Pierpoint, Robert | Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson |
| Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham) | Platt-Higgins, Frederick | Wortley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart |
| Hozier, Hn. James H. Cecil | Plummer, Sir Walter R. | Wrightson, Sir Thomas |
| Hunt, Rowland | Powell, Sir Francis Sharp | Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H. |
| Jameson, Major J. Eustace | Pretyman, Ernest George | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir |
| Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse | Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward | Alexander Acland-Hood and |
| Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred | Purvis, Robert | Viscount Valentia. |
| Jessel, Captain Herbert M. | Pym, C. Guy | |
| Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T.(Denbigh | Rankin, Sir James | |
| Kenyon-Slanoy, Rt Hn.Col.W. | Ratcliff, R. F. | |
| NOES. | ||
| Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N.E.) | Allen, Charles P. | Atherley-Jones, L. |
| Abraham, William (Rhondda) | Ashton, Thomas Gair | Austin, Sir John |
| Ainsworth, John Stirling | Asquith, RtHnHerbert Henry | Baker, Joseph Allen |
| Barlow, John Emmott | Hammond, John | Philipps, John Wynford |
| Barran, Rowland Hirst | Hardie, J. Keir(MerthyrTydvil | Pirie, Duncan V. |
| Beaumont, Wentworth C. B. | Harms worth, R. Leicester | Power, Patrick Joseph |
| Benn, John Williams | Harwood, George | Price, Robert John |
| Black, Alexander William | Hayden, John Patrick | Priestley, Arthur |
| Boland, John | Helme, Norval Watson | Rea, Russell |
| Bolton, Thomas Dolling | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Reckitt, Harold James |
| Brigg, John | Higham, John Sharp | Reddy, M. |
| Bright, Allan Heywood | Holland, Sir William Henry | Redmond, John E.(Waterford) |
| Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson | Hutchinson, Dr. Chas. Fredk. | Rickett, J. Compton |
| Bryce, Rt. Hon. James | Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) | Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) |
| Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn | Isaacs, Rufus Daniel | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs) |
| Burke, E. Haviland | Jacoby, James Alfred | Robson, William Snowdon |
| Burns, John | Joicey, Sir James | Roe, Sir Thomas |
| Burt, Thomas | Jones, David B. (Swansea) | Rose, Charles Day |
| Buxton, N.E(York,NRWhitby | Jones, Leif (Appleby) | Runciman, Walter |
| Caldwell, James | Jones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire) | Russell, T. W. |
| Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) | Joyce, Michael | Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland) |
| Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. | Kearley, Hudson E. | Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) |
| Causton, Richard Knight | Kennedy, Vincent P. (CavanW | Schwann, Charles E. |
| Cawley, Frederick | Lambert, George | Seely, Maj. J.E.B. (IsleofWight |
| Channing, Francis Allston | Langley, Batty | Shaw, Charles Edw (Stafford) |
| Cheetham, John Frederick | Law, Hugh Alex.(Donegal, W) | Sheehy, David |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) | Shipman, Dr. John G. |
| Cremer, William Randal | Layland-Barratt, Francis | Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) |
| Crombie, John William | Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington) | Slack, John Bamford |
| Crooks, William | Levy, Maurice | Smith, Samuel (Flint) |
| Cullinan, J. | Lewis, John Herbert | Soames, Arthur Wellesley |
| Dalziel, James Henry | Lough, Thomas | Soares, Ernest J. |
| Davies, M.Vaughan (Cardigan) | Lundon, W. | Spencer, Rt. Hn.CR(Northants |
| Delany, William | Lyell, Charles Henry | Stanhope, Hn. Philip James |
| Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway | MacNeill, John Gordon Swift | Sullivan, Donal |
| Dewar, John A (Inverness-sh. | MacVeagh, Jeremiah | Taylor, Theodore C.(Radcliffe) |
| Dickson-Poynder, Sir-John P. | M'Crae, George | Tennant, Harold John |
| Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles | M'Kean, John | Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E. |
| Dobbie, Joseph | M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin | Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.) |
| Donelan, Captain A. | Mansfield, Horace Rendall | Tomkinson, James |
| Doogan, P. C. | Mooney, John J. | Toulmin, George |
| Douglas, Chas. M. (Lanark) | Morgan, J.Lloyd (Carmarthen) | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
| Duncan, J. Hastings | Moulton, John Fletcher | Wallacse, Robert |
| Dunn, Sir William | Murphy, John | Walton, Joseph (Barnsley) |
| Edwards, Frank | Nolan, Col. John P(Galway, N. | Warner, Thomas Courtenay T. |
| Elibank, Master of | Nolan, Joseph (Loath, South) | Wason, Eugene(Clackmannan) |
| Ellice, CaptEC(SAndrw'Bghs | Norman, Henry | Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney |
| Ellis, John Edward (Notts) | Nussey, Thomas Willans | Weir, James Galloway |
| Emmott, Alfred | O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid.) | White, Luke (York, E.R.) |
| Esmonde, Sir Thomas | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Whiteley, George (York,W.R.) |
| Eve, Harry Trelawney | O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N. | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) |
| Fenwick, Charles | O'Connor, James (Wickslow, W. | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer |
| Field, William | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) | Williams, Osmond (Merioneth |
| Findlay, Alexander (LanarkNE | O'Dowd, John | Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull,W.) |
| Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond | O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) | Wilson, Fred W.(Norfolk, Mid |
| Flavin, Michael Joseph | O'Kelly, Jas. (Roscommon, N) | Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R. |
| Flynn, James Christopher | O'Malley, William | Wilson, John (Durham, Mid. |
| Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co. | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. | Woodhouse, SirJT(Hudd'rsfi'd |
| Freeman-Thomas, Captain F. | Parrott, William | Yoxall, James Henry |
| Fuller, J. M. F. | Partington, Oswald | TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. |
| Grey, Rt. Hn. Sir E, (Berwick) | Paulton, James Mellor | Herbert Gladstone and Mr. |
| Griffith, Ellis J. | Pearson, Sir Weetman D. | William M'Arthur. |
| Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) | |
| Haldane, Rt. Hn. Richard B. | Perks, Robert William |
Question, "That the Amendment be made," put, and agreed to.
§ Clause 3:—
198§ Question put, "That the clause stand part of the Bill."
199§ The Committee divided:—Ayes, 260; Noes, 133. (Division List No. 260.)
203| AYES. | ||
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph | Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T.(Denbigh) |
| Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel | Dobbie, Joseph | Kenyon-Slancy, Rt. Hn. Col.W |
| Allen, Charles P. | Doughty, Sir George | Kerr, John |
| Allsopp, Hon. George | Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers | Keswick, William |
| Anson, Sir William Reynell | Duke, Henry Edward | Kimber, Sir Henry |
| Arkwright, John Stanhope | Edwards, Frank | King, Sir Henry Seymour |
| Arnold-Forster, Rt. Hn. H. O. | Egerton, Hn. A. de Tatton | Lamont, Norman |
| Arrol, Sir William | Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.) | Laurie, Lieut.-General |
| Ashton, Thomas Gair | Faber, George Denison (York) | Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) |
| Atkinson, Rt. Hn. John | Fellowes, Rt HnAilwynEdward | Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool) |
| Bagot, Capt Josceline FitzRoy | Fergusson, Rt Hn Sir J Manc'r) | Lawson, Hn.H.L.W.(Mile End) |
| Bailey, James (Walworth) | Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. | Layland-Barratt, Francis |
| Bain, Colonel James Robert | Finlay, Sir R.B.(Inv'rn'ssBghs) | Lee, A. H. (Hants., Fareham) |
| Balcarres, Lord | Fisher, William Hayes | Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) |
| Balfour, Rt. Hn.A. J.(Manch'r) | Flannery, Sir Fortescue | Legge, Col. Hon. Hencage |
| Balfour, Capt C. B. (Hornsey) | Flower, Sir Ernest | Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. |
| Balfour, RtHnGeraldW(Leeds) | Forster, Henry William | Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham) |
| Balfour, Kenneth R (Christch.) | Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) | Long, Rt.Hn.Walter(Bristol, S) |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Galloway, William Johnson | Lonsdale, John Brownlee |
| Bartley, Sir George C. T. | Gardner, Ernest | Loyd, Archie Kirkman |
| Bathurst, Hn. Allen Benjamin | Garfit, William | Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft |
| Beaumont, Wentworth C. B. | Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H. | Lucas, ReginaldJ(Portsmouth) |
| Bentinck, Lord Henry C. | Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk | Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred |
| Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. | Gordon, Hn JE(Elgin & Nairn) | Macdona, John Cumming |
| Bignold, Sir Arthur | Gordon, MajEvans(T'rH'mlets) | Maclver, D. (Live pool) |
| Bigwood, James | Goschen, Hn George Joachim | Maconochie, A. W. |
| Bingham, Lord | Goulding, Edward Alfred | M'Arthur, Chas. (Liverpool) |
| Blundell, Colonel Henry | Graham, Henry Robert | M'Iver, Sir Lewis(EdinburghW |
| Bond, Edward | Gray, Ernest (West Ham) | M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire) |
| Brassey, Albert | Greene, H. D. (Shrewsbury) | Malcolm, Ian |
| Brodrick Rt. Hn. St John | Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs) | Manners, Lord Cecil |
| Brymer, William Ernest | Grenfell, William Henry | Markham, Arthur Basil |
| Bull, William James | Greville, Hon. Ronald | Marks, Harry Hananel |
| Butcher, John George | Griffith, Ellis J. | Martin, Richard Biddulph |
| Buxton, Sydney Chas. (Poplar) | Groves, James Grimble | Melville, Beresford Valentine |
| Caldwell, James | Haldane, Rt. Hn. Richard B. | Middlemore, J. Throgmorton |
| Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H. | Hall, Edward Marshall | Mildmay, Francis Bingham |
| Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh | Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F. | Milner, Rt. Hn. Sir Fredk G. |
| Cawley, Frederick | Hambro, Charles Eric | Milvain, Thomas |
| Cayzer, Sir Charles William | Hamilton, Marq of(L'donderry) | Molesworth, Sir Lewis |
| Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford) | Montagu, Hn. J. Scott(Hants) |
| Chamberlain, Rt Hn. J. (Birm) | Hare, Thomas Leigh | Moon, Edward Robert Pacy |
| Chamberlain, Rt Hn JA (Worc. | Hay, Hon. Claude George | Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow) |
| Chamberlayne, T (S'thampton) | Heath, Arthur H. (Hanley) | Morrell, George Herbert |
| Chapman, Edward | Heath, Sir Jas. (Staffords.N.W) | Morrison, James Archibald |
| Cheetham, John Frederick | Henderson Sir A.(Stafford,W.) | Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer |
| Clive, Captain Percy A | Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. | Mount, William Arthur |
| Coates, Edward Feetham | Hickman, Sir Alfred | Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. |
| Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. R. | Hill, Henry Staveley | Muntz, Sir Philip A. |
| Colston, Chas. EdwH.Athole | Hoare, Sir Samuel | Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) |
| Cook, Sir Fredk. Lucas | Hogg, Lindsay | Myers, William Henry |
| Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Hope, J F (Sheffield,Brightside | Nicholson, William Graham |
| Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) | Hoult, Joseph | Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury |
| Cubitt, Hon. Henry | Houston, Robert Paterson | Pease, Herb. Pike (Darlington) |
| Dalkeith, Karl of | Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham) | Peel, Hn. Wm. Robert W. |
| Dalrymple, Sir Charles | Hozier, Hn. Jas. Henry Cecil | Percy, Earl |
| Davenport, W. Bromley | Hunt, Rowland | Philipps, John Wynford |
| Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham) | Jameson, Major J. Eustace | Pierpoint, Robert |
| Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan) | Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse | Summer, Sir Walter R. |
| Denny, Colonel | Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred | Powell, Sir Francis Sharp |
| Dickinson, Robert Edmond | Jessel, Captain Herb. Merton | Pretyman, Ernest George |
| Dickson, Charles Scott | Jones, Leif (Appleby) | Pryce-Jones, Lt. Col Edward |
| Dimsdale, Rt Hn. Sir Joseph C | Kearley, Hudson E. | Purvis, Robert |
| Pym, C. Guy | Seely, Maj. J.E.B(IsleofWight) | Tuff, Charles |
| Rankin, Sir James | Sharpe, William Edward T. | Tuke, Sir John Batty |
| Ratcliff, R. F. | Shaw, Chas. Edw (Stafford) | Vincent, Col Sir CEH(Sheffield) |
| Reckitt, Harold James | Skewes-Cox, Thomas | Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter) |
| Reid, James (Greenock) | Smith, Abel H. (Hertford,East) | Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. H. |
| Remnant, James Farquharson | Smith, H.C(North'mbTyneside | Warde, Colonel C. E. |
| Renwick, George | Smith, RtHnJParker(Lanarks) | Warner, Thomas Courtenay T. |
| Ridley, S. Forde | Smith, Samuel (Flint) | Welby, Lt.-Col A CE(Taunton) |
| Ritchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. T. | Smith, Hn. W. F. D. (Strand) | Welby, Sir Chas. G. E. (Notts. |
| Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) | Soares, Ernest J. | Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon |
| Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) | Spear, John Ward | Wharton, Rt. Hn. John Lloyd |
| Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye | Stanley, Rt. Hn. Lord (Lancs.) | Wniteley, H. (AshtonnndLyne) |
| Rose, Charles Day | Stewart, Sir M. J. M'Taggart | Whitmore, Chas. Algernon |
| Round, Rt. Hn. James | Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M. | Willoughby de Eresby, Lord |
| Royds, Clement Molyneux | Stock, James Henry | Wilson, John (Glasgow) |
| Runciman, Walter | Strutt, Hn. Charles Hedley | Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm |
| Rutherford, John (Lancashire) | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) | Woodhouse, Sir JT(Hudd'rsfi'd |
| Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) | Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth) | Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson |
| Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe | Wortley, Rt. Hn. C.B. Stuart |
| Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander | Thorburn, Sir Walter | Wrightson, Sir Thomas |
| Samuel, Sir H. S. (Limehouse) | Thornton, Percy M. | Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H. |
| Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) | Tollemache, Henry James | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Sir |
| Saunderson, Rt. Hn.Col EdwJ | Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M. | Alexander Acland-Hood and |
| Schwann, Charles E. | Trevelyan, Charles Philips | Viscount Valentia. |
| Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) | Tritton, Charles Ernest |
| NOES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Cork, N.E) | Field, William | Murphy, John |
| Abraham, William (Rhondda) | Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N.E.) | Nolan, Col John P (Galway, N, |
| Ainsworth, John Stirling | Flavin, Michael Joseph | Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) |
| Austin, Sir John | Flynn, James Christopher | O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid.) |
| Baker, Joseph Allen | Freeman-Thomas, Captain F. | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) |
| Barlow, John Emmott | Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) |
| Barran, Rowland Hirst | Hammond, John | O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.) |
| Black, Alexander William | Hardie, J. Keir(MerthyrTydvil | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) |
| Boland, John | Harmsworth, R. Leicester | O' Dowd, John |
| Bolton, Thomas Dolling | Harwood, George | O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) |
| Brigg, John | Hayden, John Patrick | O'Kelly, James (RoscommonN |
| Bright, Allan Heywood | Helme, Norval Watson | O'Malley, William |
| Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. |
| Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn | Higham, John Sharp | Parrott, William |
| Burke, E, Haviland | Holland, Sir Wm. Henry | Partington, Oswald |
| Burns, John | Hutchinson, Dr. Chas. Fredk. | Pearson, Sir Weetman D. |
| Burt, Thomas | Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) | Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) |
| Buxton, N.E. (YorkNRWhitby | Jacoby, James Alfred | Perks, Robert William |
| Campbell, John (Armagh,, S.) | Joicey, Sir James | Pirie, Duncan V. |
| Causton, Richard Knight | Jones, David B. (Swansea) | Power, Patrick Joseph |
| Channing, Francis Allston | Jones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire) | Price, Robert John |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | Joyce, Michael | Priestley, Arthur |
| Cremer, William Randal | Kennedy, Vincent P.(Cavan W) | Reddy, M. |
| Crembie, John William | Lambert, George | Redmond, John E. (Waterford) |
| Crooks, William | Langley, Batty | Rickett, J. Compton |
| Cullinan, J. | Law, HughAlex(Donegal,W.) | Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) |
| Dalziel, James Henry | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) |
| Delany, William | Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington) | Robson, William Snowdon |
| Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway | Levy, Maurice | Roe, Sir Thomas |
| Dewar, J. A. (Inverness-sh.) | Lewis, John Herbert | Russell, T. W. |
| Dilke, Rt. Hn. Sir Charles | Lough, Thomas | Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland) |
| Doogan, P. C. | Lundon, W. | Sheehy, David |
| Douglas, Chas. M. (Lanark) | MacNeill, John Gordon Swift | Shipman, Dr. John G. |
| Duncan, J. Hastings | MacVeagh, Jeremiah | Slack, John Bamford |
| Dunn, Sir William | M'Kean, John | Soames, Arthur Wellesley |
| Elibank, Master of | M'Laren, Sir Chas. Benjamin | Stanhope, Hn. Philip James |
| Ellis, John Edward (Notts.) | Mansfield, Horace Rendall | Sullivan, Donal |
| Eve, Harry Trelawney | Mooney, John J. | Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen,E.) |
| Fenwick, Charles | Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen | Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.) |
| Tomkinson, James | White, Luke (York, E. R.) | Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R) |
| Toulmin, George | Whiteley, George (York, W.R) | Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.) |
| Wallace, Robert | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) | |
| Walton, Joseph (Barnsley) | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer | TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Sir |
| Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan) | Williams, Osmond (Merioneth) | Thomas Esmonde and Cap- |
| Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney) | Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull,W.) | tain Donelan. |
| Weir, James Galloway | Wilson, Fred W (Norfolk, Mid) |
§ And, it being alter Midnight, the Chairman left the Chair to make his Report to the House.
§ Committee report Progress, to sit again to-morrow.