§ Considered in Committee.
§ (In the Committee.)
§ [Mr. HARDY (Kent, Ashford) in the Chair.]
§ Clauses 1 and 2 agreed to.
§ Clause 3:—
§ MR. BRIGHT (Shropshire, Oswestry)in moving to substitute "12 for 20" in line 14, said he was proposing the Amendment in consequence of a reply he had received from the Secretary of State for India. That reply, for the greater part, was very clear, but it omitted to say how much money per annum was required for capital expenditure on new Government railway works, so that the right hon. Gentleman was really asking for a blank cheque which might run over a very long period. About £10,000,000 was to be spent on the purchase of the Bombay and Baroda Railway, but he desired to know what the balance of £8,000,000 or £10,000,000 was for. From the statement of the right hon. Gentleman it was not clear how much of the £8,000,000 annual capital expenditure on State and guaranteed railways was to be paid by the State and how much by the companies themselves. The object of the Amendment was to ascertain how much per annum the State expected to expend on new railway construction, and to prevent the loss of Parliamentary control over large expenditure for any 730 considerable length of time. For sever of years the capital expenditure had apparently averaged about £1,500,000, so that the amount asked for in the Bill would enable the right hon. Gentleman to go on for six or seven years without coming to Parliament. He begged to move.
§
Amendment proposed—
In page 1, line 14, to leave out the word 'twenty,' and insert the word 'twelve'."—(Mr. Bright.)
Question proposed, "That the word 'twenty' stand part of the clause."
§ *THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR INDIA (Mr. BRODRICK,) Surrey, Guildfordsaid that the general sense of the House was in favour of proceeding with the construction of new railways in India. More than £10,000,000 was needed for the purchase of the Bombay and Baroda Railway, which the State now had tin opportunity of carrying out with, considerable advantage to itself, leaving less than half the sum provided for in the Bill for expenditure on other Indian railways. Even if the rate of progress were limited to the 1,000 miles per annum, which the Indian Government had made for several years past, the amount of capital expenditure provided for would not be sufficient, and the House had practically decided that the rata of progress should be increased. He believed the hon. Member was at one with the Government and the House in desiring that the rate of progress should be not only maintained but increased, but if the sum named in the Bill were decreased to £12,000,000 the Indian cultivator would be debarred from obtaining the advantages of improved railway communication which he so much required. The money now asked for would carry the Government on for a couple of years, or perhaps a little longer.
§ MR. MCKENNA (Monmouthshire, N.)said the point they wished to emphasise was that the right hon. Gentleman was justified in taking the money for this year, but not beyond. The cost had been put down at £5,000 a mile, but anybody familiar with Indian railways knew that they did not cost anything like that sum per mile. He also objected to the power given under the Bill to raise this money in cash. The whole of the £20,000,000 might be raised in this country in one year, and in the present unsatisfactory state of the money market he did not think that was at all advisable. The probability was that the right hon. Gentleman would not require this money at al. Clause 4 provided that the power given to the Secretary of State should be deemed to include power to create stock or securities in discharge of any obligations mentioned in the Act. That meant, supposing there was a railway already in existence of which the stock or bonds were valued at £10,000,000,that the right hon. Gentleman would then only need to issue stock or bonds to an equivalent amount. The right hon. Gentleman could raise £10,000,000 simply by transferring from one stock to another, and he ought to be content with the power to raise not more than £10,000,000 in cash at the outside. He did not think that the Committee would be wise in giving the Secretary of State any such power. He had reminded the right hon. Gentleman on a previous occasion that in the past it had been the custom to raise half of this money in India. Why did the right hon. Gentleman now propose to saddle the British money market with this large sum when it was not capable of providing it?
§ MR. LLOYD-GEORGE (Carnarvon Boroughs)said that nobody in the House of Commons objected to spending money in India upon the development of its resources. The right hon. Gentleman talked of the Indian cultivator, and said this money was intended to assist him, and in another part of his speech he indicated that these railways were built out of the
§ savings effected upon current expenditure. That being so, he did not think this was the right time to borrow large sums. It was suggested that this large sum of money should be borrowed when the credit of this country was much lower than it had been for a considerable number of years. The right hon. Gentleman had himself shown that this money was not actually wanted for another two years. Why should the Indian taxpayer be burdened with this loan if the whole of the money was not required for another two years? Perhaps in two years time they might be able to obtain money at a cheaper rate. He did not think there was any other place in the world where taxation hit the poor cultivator so heavily as in India, because it affected the necessities of life. They had had experiences of this kind before in regard to the proposals of the Government. The right hon. Gentleman now declared that this Bill was absolutely necessary in order to develop the resources if the country, and credulous hon. Members opposite would accept anything that a Minister told them. [MINISTERIAL cries of "Oh, oh!"] It was quite true, because hon. Members opposite had given their sanction to matters in the division lobby even when their votes were quite contradictory. He thought the hon. Member for Oswestry had made it quite clear (hat the money was not required. They were asked to accept this on trust from the author of the abandoned Army schemes—the Gentleman who proposed scheme after scheme and piled up the expenses of the country—schemes which even the Government themselves had had to abandon. Who knew but that these railway schemes might be just as mythical as the six Army Corps they had some time ago? He submitted that the Committee ought not to accept this simply because the right hon. Gentleman said it was necessary to the development of the resources of the country.
§ Question put.
§ The Committee divided:—Ayes, 171; Noes, 142. (Division List No. 360.)
735| AYES. | ||
| Acland-Hood,Capt. Sir Alex. F. | Bentinck, Lord Henry C. | Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) |
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Bill, Charles | Chamberlain,Rt Hn.J.A(Wore. |
| Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel | Blundell, Colonel Henry | Chamberlayne, T.(S'thampton) |
| Allhusen, AugustusHenryEden | Bond, Edward | Channing, Francis Allston |
| Anson, Sir William Reynell | Boscawen, Arthur Griffith- | Chapman, Edward |
| Arkwright, John Stanhope | Brassey, Albert | Clare, Octavius Leigh |
| Arnold-Forster, Rt. Hn. HughO. | Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John | Clive, Captain Percy A. |
| Arrol, Sir William | Brotherton, Edward Allen | Cochraue, Hon. Tho. H. A. E. |
| Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John | Bull, William James | Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse |
| Balcarres, Lord | Burdett-Coutts, W. | Colomb,Rt.Hon.Sir John C. R. |
| Balfour,RtHn.GeraldW.(Leeds | Butcher, John George | Compton, Lord Alwyne |
| Balfour, Kenneth R.(Christch.) | Campbell, J.H.M.(DublinUniv.) | Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. | Craig, CharlesCurtis(Antrim,S.) |
| Banner, John S. Harmood- | Cautley, Henry Strother | Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile |
| Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin | Cavendish,V.C.W. (Derbyshire | Davenport, W. Bromley- |
| Davies,SirHoratioD.(Chatham, | Kimber, Sir Henry | Purvis, Robert |
| Dewar,SirT.R.(Tower Hamlets) | Knowles, Sir Lees | Pym, C. Guy |
| Dickson, Charles Scott | Laurie, Lieut.-General | Randies, John S. |
| Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P. | Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) | Rankin, Sir James |
| Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph | Lawson,Hn.H.L.W. (Mile End) | Reid, James (Greenock) |
| Dixon-Hartland, Sir Fred Dixon | Lee, ArthurH.(Hants.,Fareham | Remnant, James Farquharson |
| Doughty, Sir George | Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) | Renwiek George |
| Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- | Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage | Ridley, S. Forde |
| Doxford, Sir.William Theodore | Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. | Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) |
| Duke, Henry Edward | Long, Col. Charles W. ((Evesham | Rolleston, Sir John F. L. |
| Dyke,Rt.Hon.SirWilliam Hart | Long,Rt. Hn. Walter(Bristol,S.) | Round, Rt. Hon. James |
| Faber, George Denison (York) | Loyd, Archie Kirkman | Rutherford, John (Lancashire) |
| Fellowes,Rt.Hn.AilwynEdward | Lowe, Francis William | Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) |
| Fergusson,Rt.Hn.SirJ.(Manc'r) | Lucas, Reginald J.(Portsmouth | Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford- |
| Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. | Macdona, John Cumming | Sadler, Col. Sir Samuel Alex. |
| Finlay,Rt.Hn.SirR.B(Inv'rn'ss | MacIver, David (Liverpool) | Sandys, Lieut.-Col. Thos. Myles |
| Fitzroy, Hon. EdwardAlgernon | Maconochie, A. W. | Sloan, Thomas Henry |
| Flannery, Sir Fortescue | M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) | Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand) |
| Flower, Sir Ernest | M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire) | Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord(Lancs.) |
| Forster, Henry William | Martin, Richard Biddulph | Stone, Sir Benjamin |
| Gardner, Ernest | Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F. | Stroyan, John |
| Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H. | Maxwell,W.J.H (Dumfrieshire | Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley |
| Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby- | Melville, Beresford Valentine | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) |
| Goschen, Hon. George Joachim | Middlemore, John Throgmorton | Thornton, Percy M. |
| Goulding, Edward Alfred | Milvain, Thomas | Tollemache, Henry James |
| Green, Henry D. (Shrewsbury) | Molesworth, Sir Lewis | Tomlinson, Sir Win. Edw. M. |
| Grenfell, William Henry | Moon, Edward Robert Pacy | Tuff, Charles |
| Gretton, John | Morgan, DavidJ.(Walthamstow | Tumour, Viscount |
| Groves, James Grimble | Morpeth, Viscount | Valentia, Viscount |
| Hamilton,Marq.of (L'nd'nderr, | Morrell, George Herbert | Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter) |
| Hardy, Laurence(Kent,Ashford | Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer | Walker, Col. William Hall |
| Heath,SirJames(Staffords.NW) | Mount, William Arthur | Walrond,Rt.Hon.SirWilliamH. |
| Helder, Sir Augustus | Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) | Warde, Colonel C. E. |
| Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. | Myers, William Henry | Welby,Lt.-Col.A.C.E(Taunton) |
| Hill, Henry Staveley | Nicholson, William Graham | Whiteley,H.(Ashton und.Lyne) |
| Hope, J.F. (Sheffield, Brightside) | O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens | Whitmore, Charles Algernon |
| Hornby, Sir William Henry | Parkes, Ebenezer | Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart- |
| Horner, Frederick William | Peel.Hn.Wm.Robert Wellesley | Wrightson, Sir Thomas |
| Howard, Jn.(Kent,Faversham) | Percy, Earl | Wylie, Alexander |
| Hozier,Hon.James Henry Cecil | Pierpoint, Robert | Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H. |
| Hudson, George Bickersteth | Pilkington, Colonel Richard | Yerburgh, Robert Armstrong |
| Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred. | Platt-Higgins, Frederick | |
| Jessel, Captain HerbertMerton | Plummer, Sir Walter R. | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr. |
| Kennaway,Rt.Hon.Sir John H. | Powell, Sir Francis Sharp | John Gordon and Mr. Lons- |
| Kenyon, Hon.Geo. T.(Denbigh) | Pretyman, Ernest George | dale. |
| Keswick, William | Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward | |
| NOES. | ||
| Atherley-Jones, L. | Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) | Joicey, Sir James |
| Baker, Joseph Allen | Eve, Harry Trelawney | Jones,DavidBrynmor(Swansea |
| Barran, Rowland Hirst | Ffrench, Peter | Jones, Leif (Appleby) |
| Barry, E. (Cork, S.) | Findlay,Alexander(Lanark,NE | Tones, William(Carnarvonshire) |
| Benn, John Williams | Flavin, Michael Joseph | Jordan, Jeremiah |
| Bright, Allan Heywood | Flynn, James Christopher | Kitson, Sir James |
| Broadhurst, Henry | Fuller, J. M. F. | Lambert, George |
| Brown, George M. (Edinburgh) | Gladstone,Rt.Hn.Herbert John | Lamont, Norman |
| Burns, John | Grant, Corrie | Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W.) |
| Caldwell, James | Griffith, Ellis J. | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) |
| Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) | Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill | Leese Sir JosephF.(Accrington) |
| Causton, Richard Knight | Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B. | Lloyd-George, David |
| Clancy, John Joseph | Hammond, John | Lough, Thomas |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | Hardie,J.Keir(MerthyrTydvil) | Lundon, W. |
| Crean, Eugene | Harrington, Timothy | Lyell, Charles Henry |
| Cremer, William Randal | Harwood, George | MacNeill, John Gordon Swift |
| Crooks, William | Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo. | MacVeagh, Jeremiah |
| Cullinan, J. | Hayden, John Patrick | M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) |
| Delany, William | Hayter, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur D. | M'Crae, George |
| Dobbie, Joseph | Healy, Timothy Michael | M'Kenna, Reginald |
| Doogan, P. C. | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Murnaghan, George |
| Edwards, Frank | Higham, John Sharp | Murphy, John |
| Ellis, John Edward (Notts.) | Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk. | Nannetti, Joseph P. |
| Evans,SirFrancisH.(Maidstone) | Isaacs, Rufus Daniel | Nolan,Col.John P.(Galway, N.) |
| Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) | Robson, William Snowdon | Ure, Alexander |
| Norton, Capt. Cecil William | Rose, Charles Day | Villiers, Ernest Amherst |
| O'Brien, Kendal(Tipperary, Mid | Runciman, Walter | Walton, Joseph (Barnsley) |
| O'Connor,James (Wicklow,VY.) | Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland) | Warner, Thomas Courtenay T. |
| O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.) | Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) | Weir, James Galloway |
| O'Kelly,James (RoscommonN. | Seely,Maj.J.E.B.(Isle of Wight) | Whiteley, George (York, W.R.) |
| Parrott, William | Shipman, Dr. John G. | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) |
| Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) | Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer |
| Power, Patrick Joseph | Slack, John Bamford | Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R.) |
| Rea, Russell | Sullivan, Donal | |
| Redmond, John E. (Waterford) | Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen,E.) | TELLERS FOR THE NOBS—Sir |
| Rickett, J. Compton | Thomas,David Alfred (Merthyr | Thomas Esmonde and Mr. |
| Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) | Thompson, Dr. EC(Monagh'n, N. | Patrick O'Brien. |
| Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) | Tully, Jasper | |
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Allhusen, Augustus Henry Eden | Arkwright, John Stanhope |
| Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel | Anson, Sir William Reynell | Arnold-Forster,Rt,Hn.Hugh O. |
| Arrol, Sir William | Gordon, J.(Londonderry,South | Myers, William Henry |
| Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John | Goschen, Hn. George Joachim | Nicholson, William Graham |
| Balcarres, Lord | Goulding, Edward Alfred | O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens |
| Balfour,Rt.Hn. J.A. (Manch'r.) | Greene, H. D. (Shrewsbury) | Parkes, Ebenezer |
| Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (Leeds.) | Grenfell, William Henry | Peel, Hn. Wm. Robt. Wellesley |
| Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. | Gretton, John | Percy, Earl |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Groves, James Grimble | Pierpoint, Robert |
| Banner, John S. Harmood- | Hamilton,Marq.of (L'donderry | Pilkington, Colonel Richard |
| Bathurst, Hn. Allen Benjamin | Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford) | Platt-Higgins, Frederick |
| Bentinek, Lord Henry C. | Heath, Sir J. (Staffords. N.W.) | Plummer, Sir Walter R. |
| Bill, Charles | Helder, Sir Augustus | Powell, Sir Francis Sharp |
| Blundell, Colonel Henry | Hill, Henry Staveley | Pretyman, Ernest George |
| Bond, Edward | Hope,J.F.(Sheffield, Brightside | Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward |
| Boscawen, Arthur Griffith- | Hornby, Sir William Henry | Purvis, Robert |
| Brassey, Albert | Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham) | Pym, C. Guy |
| Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John | Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil | Randles, John S. |
| Brotherton, Edward Allen | Hudson, George Bickersteth | Rankin, Sir James |
| Bull, William James | Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred. | Reid, James (Greenock) |
| Burdett-Coutts, W. | Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton | Renwick, George |
| Butcher, John George | Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H | Ridley, S. Forde |
| Campbell,J.H.M.(Dublin Univ. | Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T.(Denbigh) | Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) |
| Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H. | Keswick, William | Rolleston, Sir John F. L. |
| Cautley, Henry Strother | Kimber, Sir Henry | Round, Rt. Hn. James |
| Cavendish,V.C.W. (Derbyshire | Kitson, Sir James | Rutherford, John (Lancashire) |
| Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Knowles, Sir Lees | Rutherford, W. W.(Liverpool) |
| Chamberlain,RtHn.J.A (Wore. | Laurie, Lieut.-General | Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford- |
| Chamberlayne, T. (S'thampton | Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) | Sadler, Col. Sir Samuel Alex. |
| Chapman, Edward | Lawson, Hn. H. L. W. (MileEnd | Sandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. Myles |
| Clare, Octavius Leigh | Lee, A. H. (Hants., Fareham) | Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) |
| Clive, Captain Percy A. | Lees, Sir Elliot (Birkenhead) | Smith, A. H. (Hertford, East) |
| Cochrane, Hn. Thos. H. A. E. | Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage | Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand) |
| Colomb, Rt. Hn. Sir John C. R. | Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. | Stanley, Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk |
| Compton, Lord Alwyne | Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham) | Stanley, Rt. Hn. Lord (Lanes.) |
| Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Long, Rt. Hn. W. (Bristol, S.) | Stroyan, John |
| Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile | Lonsdale John Brownlee | Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley |
| Davenport, W. Bromley- | Lowe, Francis William | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) |
| Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham) | Loyd, Archie Kirkman | Tollemache, Henry James |
| Dewar, Sir T.R.(Tower Hamlets | Lucas, Reg. J. (Portsmouth) | Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M. |
| Dickson, Charles Scott | Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred | Tuff, Charles |
| Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph | Macdona, John Cumming | Turnour, Viscount |
| Dixon-Hartland, Sir F. Dixon | M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) | Walker, Col. William Hall |
| Doughty, Sir George | M'Killop, Jas. (Stirlingshire) | Walrond, Rt.Hn.SirWilliam H. |
| Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers- | Martin, Richard Biddulph | Walton, Joseph (Barnsley) |
| Doxford, Sir William Theodore | Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F. | Warde, Colonel C. E. |
| Duke, Henry Edward | Maxwell, WJ.H.(Dumfriesshire | Welby Lt.-Col.A.C.E (Taunton |
| Dyke,Rt.Hn. Sir William Hart | Melville, Beresford Valentine | Whiteley,H.(Ashton and. Lyne |
| Fellowes, Rt. Hn. Ailwyn Edw. | Middlemore, J. Throgmorton | Whitmore Charles Algernon |
| Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. | Milvain, Thomas | Wortley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart- |
| Finlay,RtHnSirR.B.(Inv'rn'ss) | Molesworth, Sir Lewis | Wrightson, Sir Thomas |
| Fisher, William Hayes | Moon, Edward Robert Pacy | Wylie, Alexander |
| Fitzroy, Hn. Edw. Algernon | Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow) | Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H. |
| Flannery, Sir Fortescue | Morpeth, Viscount | Yerburgh, Robert Armstrong |
| Flower, Sir Ernest | Morrell, George Herbert | |
| Forster, Henry William | Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir |
| Gardner, Ernest | Mount, William Arthur | Alexander Acland - Hood |
| Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H. | Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) | and Viscount Valentia. |
| NOES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Cork N.E. | Cawley, Frederick | Edwards, Frank |
| Ashton, Thomas Gair | Channing, Francis Allston | Elibank, Master of |
| Baker, Joseph Allen | Clancy, John Joseph | Ellis, John Edward (Notts.) |
| Barran, Rowland Hirst | Cogan, Denis J. | Esmonde, Sir Thomas |
| Barry, E. (Cork S.) | Condon, Thomas Joseph | Evans, Sir F. H. (Maidstone) |
| Benn, John William | Crean, Eugene | Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) |
| Boland, John | Cremer, William Randal | Eve, Harry Trelawney |
| Broadhurst, Henry | Cullinan, J. | Farrell, James Patrick |
| Brown, G. M. (Edinburgh) | Delany, William | Ffrench, Peter |
| Bryce, Rt. Hon. James | Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway | Findlay,Alexander(Lanark,NE |
| Burns, John | Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N. | Flavin, Michael Joseph |
| Buxton,N.E.(York,NR,Whitby | Dobbie, Joseph | Flynn, James Christopher |
| Caldwell, James | Donelan, Captain A. | Fuller, J. M. F. |
| Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) | Doogan, P. C. | Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herb. John |
| Causton, Richard Knight | Duffy, William J. | Grant, Corrie |
| Griffith, Ellis J. | M'Crae, George | Robson, William Snowdon |
| Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill | M'Kenna, Reginald | Roche, John (Galway, East) |
| Hammond, John | M'Killop, W. (Siigo, North) | Roe, Sir Thomas |
| Harcourt, Lewis | Mooney, John J. | Rose, Charles Day |
| Hardie, J. K. (Merthyr Tydvil) | Morgan, J. Lloyd(Carmarthen) | Runciman, Walter |
| Harrington, Timothy | Moss, Samuel | Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland) |
| Harwood, George | Muldoon, John | Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) |
| Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo. | Murnaghan, George | Seely,Maj.J.E.B.(Isle of Wight |
| Hayden, John Patrick | Murphy, John | Sheehy, David |
| Hayter, Rt. Hn. Sir Arthur D. | Nannetti, Joseph P. | Shipman, Dr. John G. |
| Healy, Timothy Michael | Nolan, Col. J. P. (Galway, N.) | Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) |
| Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) | Slack, John Bamford |
| Higham, John Sharp | Norton, Capt. Cecil William | Sullivan, Donal |
| Hutchinson, Dr. Chas. Fredk. | O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid.) | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) |
| Isaacs, Rufus Daniel | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Thomas, A. (Carmarthen, E.) |
| Joicey, Sir James | O'Connor, Jas. (Wicklow, W.) | Thomas, David A. (Merthyr) |
| Jones, David B. (Swansea) | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) | Thompson,Dr.EC(Monagh'n,N |
| Jones, Leif (Appleby) | O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.) | Tully, Jasper |
| Jordan, Jeremiah | O'Dowd, John | Ure, Alexander |
| Joyce, Michael | O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) | Villiers, Ernest Amherst |
| Kennedy, V. P. (Cavan, W.) | O'Kelly,James(Roscommon,N. | Waldron, Laurence Ambrose |
| Lambert, George | O'Malley, William | Warner, Thomas Courtenay T. |
| Lamont, Norman | O'Mara, James | Weir, James Galloway |
| Langley, Batty | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
| Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) | Pearson, Sir Weetman D. | Whiteley, George (York, W.R.) |
| Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington) | Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) |
| Levy, Maurice | Power, Patrick Joseph | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer |
| Lloyd-George, David | Rea, Russell | Wilson, H. J. (York, W.R.) |
| Lough, Thomas | Reckitt, Harold James | |
| Lundon, W. | Reddy, M. | TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. |
| Lyell, Charles Henry | Redmond, J. E. (Waterford) | Bright and Mr. William |
| MacNeill, John Gordon Swift | Rickett, J. Compton | Jones. |
| MacVeagh, Jeremiah | Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) | |
| M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) |
Main Question put, and agreed to.
§ Question put, "That the clause stand part of the Bill."
736§ The Committee divided:— Ayes, 166; Noes, 142. (Division List No. 361.)
739| AYES. | ||
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Chapman, Edward | Grenfell, William Henry |
| Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel | Clare, Octavius Leigh | Gretton, John |
| Allhusen, Augustus Henry E. | Clive, Captain Percy A. | Groves, James Grimble |
| Anson, Sir William Reynell | Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E | Hamilton,Marq.of (L'donderry |
| Arkwright, John Stanhope | Colomb,Rt. Hn. Sir John C. R | Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford) |
| Arnold-Forster,Rt.Hn.HughO. | Compton, Lord Alwyne | Heath, Sir J. (Staffords., N. W. |
| Arrol, Sir William | Corbett,T. L. (Down, North) | Helder, Sir Augustus |
| Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John | Crossley, Rt. Hn. Sir Savile | Hill, Henry Staveley |
| Balcarres, Lord | Davenport, W. Bromley | Hope,J.F.(Sheffield, Brightside |
| Balfour,Rt.Hn.A.J.(Manch'r.) | Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham) | Hornby, Sir William Henry |
| Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (Leeds) | Dewar,SirT.R. (Tower Hamlets | Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham) |
| Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. | Dickson, Charles Scott | Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph | Hudson, George Bickersteth |
| Banner, John S. Harmood- | Dixon-Hartland, Sir F. Dixon | Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred. |
| Bathurst, Hn. Allen Benjamin | Doughty, Sir George | Jessel, Capt. Herbert Merton |
| Bentinck, Lord Henry C. | Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- | Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H |
| Bill, Charles | Doxford, Sir William Theodore | Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T (Denbigh) |
| Blundell, Colonel Henry | Duke, Henry Edward | Keswick, William |
| Bond, Edward | Dyke,Rt.Hn. Sir William Hart | Kimber, Sir Henry |
| Boscawen, Arthur Griffith- | Fellowes, Rt. Hn. Ailwyn Edw. | Knowles, Sir Lees |
| Brassey, Albert | Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. | Laurie, Lieut. -Grneral |
| Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John | Finlay,RtHnSirR.B (Inv'rn'ss) | Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) |
| Brotherton, Edward Allen | Fisher, William Hayes | Lawson,Hn. H.L.W. (MileEnd) |
| Bull, William James | Fitzroy, Hn. Edw. Algernon | Lee, A. H. (Hants., Fareham) |
| Burdett-Coutts, W. | Flannery, Sir Fortescue | Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead), |
| Butcher, John George | Flower, Sir Ernest | Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage |
| Campbell,J.H.M.(Dublin Univ. | Forster, Henry William | Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. |
| Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H. | Gardner, Ernest | Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham) |
| Cautley, Henry Strother | Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H. | Long, Rt. Hn. W. (Bristol) |
| Cavendish,V.C.W (Derbyshire) | Gordon,J (Londonderry,South) | Lonsdale, John Brownlee |
| Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Goschen, Hn. George Joachim | Lowe, Francis William |
| Chamberlain,RtHn.J.A (Wore. | Goulding, Edward Alfred | Loyd, Archie Kirkman |
| Chamberlayne, T. (S'thampton | Greene, H. D. (Shrewsbury) | Lucas, Reg. J. (Portsmouth) |
| Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred | Pierpoint, Robert | Stanley, Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk |
| Macdona, John Cumming | Pilkington, Colonel Richard | Stanley, Rt. Hn. Lord (Lanes.) |
| M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) | Platt-Higgins, Frederick | Stroyan, John |
| M'Killop, Jas. (Stirlingshire) | Pretyman, Ernest George | Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley |
| Martin, Richard Biddulph | Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) |
| Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W.F. | Purvis, Robert | Tollemache, Henry James |
| Maxwell,W.J.H (Dumfriesshire | Pym, C. Guy | Tomlinson, Sir Win. Edw. M. |
| Melville, Beresford Valentine | Randles, John S. | Tuff, Charles |
| Middlemore, J. Throgmorton | Rankin, Sir James | Turnour, Viscount |
| Milvain, Thomas | Reid, James (Greenock) | Walker, Col. William Hall |
| Molesworth, Sir Lewis | Remnant, James Farquharson | Walrond,Rt.Hn.Sir William H. |
| Moon, Edward Robert Pacy | Renwick, George | Warde, Colonel C. E. |
| Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow) | Ridley, S. Forde | Welby,Lt.-Col.A.C.E (Taunton |
| Morpeth, Viscount | Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) | Whiteley,H.(Ashton and. Lyne |
| Morrell, George Herbert | Rolleston, Sir John F. L. | Wortley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart- |
| Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer | Round, Rt. Hon. James | Wrightson, Sir Thomas |
| Mount, William Arthur | Rutherford, John (Lancashire) | Wylie, Alexander |
| Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) | Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) | Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H. |
| Myers, William Henry | Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford- | Yerburgh, Robert Armstrong |
| Nicholson, William Graham | Sadler, Col. Sir Samuel Alex. | |
| O'Neill. Hon. Robert Torrens | Sandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. Myles | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir |
| Parkes, Ebenezer | Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) | Alexander Acland - Hood |
| Peel, Hn. Wm. Robt. Wellesley | Smith, A. H. (Hertford, East) | and Viscount Valentia. |
| Percy, Earl | Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand) | |
| NOES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Cork, N.E. | Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herb. John | Murphy, John |
| Ashton, Thomas Gair | Grant, Corrie | Nannetti, Joseph P. |
| Baker, Joseph Allen | Griffith, Ellis J. | Nolan, Col. J. P. (Galway, N.) |
| Barran, Rowland Hirst | Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill | Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) |
| Barry, E. (Cork, S.) | Hammond, John | Norton, Capt. Cecil William |
| Benn, John Williams | Harcourt, Lewis | O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid.) |
| Boland, John | Hardie, J. K. (Morthyr Tydvil) | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) |
| Bright, Allan Heywood | Harrington, Timothy | O'Connor, J. (Wicklow, W.) |
| Broadhurst, Henry | Harwood, George | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) |
| Brown,George M.(Edinburgh) | Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo. | O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.) |
| Bryce, Rt. Hon. James | Hayden, John Patrick | O'Dowd, John |
| Burns, John | Healy, Timothy Michael | O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N[...]) |
| Buxton,N.E.(York,NR Whitby | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | O'Kelly, Jas. (Roscommon, N.) |
| Caldwell, James | Higham, John Sharp | O'Malley, William |
| Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) | Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk. | O'Mara, James |
| Causton, Richard Knight | Isaacs, Rufus Daniel | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. |
| Cawley, Frederick | Joicey, Sir James | Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) |
| Channing, Francis Allston | Jones, D. Brynmor (Swansea) | Power, Patrick Joseph |
| Clancy, John Joseph | Jones, Leif (Appleby) | Rea, Russell |
| Cogan, Denis J. | Jones, William (Carnarvonsh.) | Reckitt, Harold James |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | Jordan, Jeremiah | Reddy, M. |
| Crean, Eugene | Joyce, Michael | Redmond, J. E. (Waterford) |
| Cremer, William Randal | Kennedy, V. P. (Cavan, W.) | Rickett, J. Compton |
| Cullinan, J. | Kitson, Sir James | Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) |
| Delany, William | Lambert, George | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) |
| Devlin, Chas.Ramsay(Galway) | Lamont, Norman | Roche, John (Galway, East) |
| Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.) | Langley, Batty | Roe, Sir Thomas |
| Dobbie, Joseph | Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal,W.) | Rose, Charles Day |
| Donelan, Capt. A. | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) | Runciman, Walter |
| Doogan, P. C. | Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington) | Samuel,Herb L. (Cleveland) |
| Duffy, William J. | Levy, Maurice | Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) |
| Edwards, Frank | Lloyd-George, David | Seely,Maj.J.E.B.(Isle of Wight |
| Elibank, Master of | Lough, Thomas | Sheehy, David |
| Ellis, John Edward (Notts.) | Lundon, W. | Shipman, Dr. John G. |
| Esmonde, Sir Thomas | MacNeill, John Gordon Swift | Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) |
| Evans, Sir F. H. (Maidstone) | MacVeagh, Jeremiah | Slack, John Bamford |
| Evans, S. T. (Glamorgan) | M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) | Sullivan, Donal |
| Eve, Harry Trelawney | M'Crae, George | Thomas, A. (Carmarthen, E.) |
| Farrell, James Patrick | M'Kenna, Reginald | Thomas, David A. (Merthyr) |
| Ffrench. Peter | M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) | Thompson,Dr.EC (Monagh'n,N |
| Field, William | Mooney, John J. | Tully, Jasper |
| Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N. E.) | Morgan,J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) | Villiers, Ernest Amherst |
| Flavin, Michael Joseph | Moss, Samuel | Waldron, Laurence Ambrose |
| Flynn, James Christopher | Muldoon, John | Walton, Joseph (Barnsley) |
| Fuller, J. M. F. | Murnaghan, George | Warner, Thomas Courtenay T. |
| Weir, James Galloway | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) | TELLERS FOE THE NOES—MR. |
| White, Patrick (Meath, North) | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer | Theodore Taylor and Mr. |
| Whiteley, George (York, W.R.) | Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R.) | Lyell. |
§ Remaining clauses agreed to.
§ Bill reported, without Amendment; to be read the third time To-morrow.