HC Deb 15 March 1904 vol 131 cc1141-53

1. Motion made, and Question proposed, "That a Supplementary sum, not exceeding £29,500, be granted to His Majesty, to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1904, for the Expenses of the Commissioners of National Education in Ireland."

MR. JOHN REDMOND (Waterford)

renewed the Motion of the Member for West Kerry on a recent occasion for a reduction of the Vote by £100, the debate not having been brought to a conclusion by reason of the Rules of the House. He proposed, therefore, to again raise the question of the action of the National Board of Education in issuing a circular, the effect of which was to limit the teaching of Irish in certain National schools in the country. He did not propose to traverse the ground travelled by his hon. friend; it was sufficient for him to say that there was on those Benches a strong opinion as to the effect of this circular, and that opinion was shared almost universally in Ireland. From every part of Ireland he had himself received resolutions from all sorts of elective bodies protesting against the action of the National Board; and it was not too much to say that there was a feeling of intense indignation at this circular, the effect of which was to diminish the opportunity of Irish children for learning Irish in the schools of the country. It took away the teaching of Irish from the younger class of scholars, who were just the scholars who ought to be taught it. He considered they would be wanting if they did not make a formal protest, and for that reason he begged to move a reduction in the Vote of £100.

Motion made, and Question proposed. "That a sum, not exceeding £29,400. be granted for the said service."—(Mr. John Redmond.)

THE CHIEF SECRETARY FOR IRELAND (Mr. WYNDHAM,) Dover

said the hon. Member had reminded him that Supply prevented him rising on the Motion of the Member for West Kerry; and he would therefore say now what he should have said then. The hon. Member was pressing him to give some assurance that he would give his attention to this circular. He would say now what ho could not say then. He had given special attention to this circular. He had addressed a number of inquiries to the National Board of Education with respect to the document; and he had received a reply, the contents of which were communicated by him in reply to a Question by the hon. Member for West Kerry. He did not know whether that reply was quite satisfactory, or whether it was only partly satisfactory; but he hoped to show that it went a very long way to remove the apprehensions to which the circular might give rise. Under the old results system no special fee was payable for Irish in any class lower than Fifth. Under the new regulations a fee would be payable in classes as low as the Fourth. A competent teacher unconnected with a school would be eligible to earn fees and would not be penalised in any way as might be assumed from the terms of the circular, because of the failure of the school teacher to conduct his school in such a manner as to earn a "good" report. Moreover, it was intended to give Inspectors a discretionary power to recommend that a teacher of a school should be allowed to earn fees in extra branches under exceptional circumstances even though the teacher failed to secure a "good" report at his school. And Inspectors would be required in their reports to take into account the social condition and ages of the pupils, as well as the locality of the school and any other circumstances that might require or suggest exceptional treatment. The National Board

admitted these were points of importance and they were prepared to modify the circular in these directions. He had given this matter his personal attention, and clearly Irish children ought not to be excluded by the circular from obtaining instruction in Irish, and hon. Members might rest assured that it would be his part to endeavour to see that no undue restrictions were imposed.

MR. JOHN BEDMOND

said the right hon. Gentleman had spoken of his own views on the subject. They were very well known, and he freely admitted that he had expressed again and again sympathetic views. He said they might rest assured that it would be his part to see no undue restrictions were imposed, but he himself had repeatedly told them that he had no power to see anything of the kind. He had no control over these gentlemen. They issued their circulars and regulations quite irrespective of him, and when they had issued a circular such as the present one he had to go, suck was the absurd system, to them, cap in hand, and beg them to modify it. In this instance, he hoped to induce them to do so; but this was not a satisfactory explanation, and he should certainly press his Motion to a division.

Question put.

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 141; Noes, 130. (Division List No. 54.)

AYES.
Allen, Charles P. Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark) Freeman-Thomas, Captain F.
Ambrose, Robert Crombie, John William Gladstone, Rt Hn. Herbert John
Ashton, Thomas Gair Crooks, William Goddard, Daniel Ford
Atherley-Jones, L. Cullinan, J. Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir E. (Berwick)
Barry, E. (Cork, S.) Dalziel, James Henry Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan Hammond, John
Black, Alexander William Delany, William Harmsworth, R. Leicester
Blake, Edward Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh. Hayden, John Patrick
Boland, John Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles Hemphill, Rt. Hon. Charles H.
Brigg, John Doogan, P. C. Hobhouse, C. E. H.(Bristol, E.)
Brown, George M. (Edinburgh) Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) Holland, Sir William Henry
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James Duncan, J. Hastings Hope, John Deans (Fife, West.)
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Ellice, Capt E C (S. Andrw's Bghs Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C.
Burke, E. Haviland Ellis, John Edward (Notts.) Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk,
Buxton, Sydney Charles Emmott, Alfred Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)
Caldwell, James Evans, Sir Francis H (Maidstone Jacoby, James Alfred
Cameron, Robert Farquharson, Dr. Robert Joicey, Sir James
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Fenwick, Charles Jones, David Brynmor (Swansea
Campbell-Bannernman, Sir H. Ffrench, Peter Jones, William (Carnarvonshire
Causton, Richard Knight Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond Joyce, Michael
Cawley, Frederick Flavin, Michael Joseph Kitson, Sir James
Clancy, John Joseph Flynn, James Christopher Lambert, George
Condon, Thomas Joseph Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) Layland-Barratt, Francis
Leese, Sir Joseph F (Accrington O'Brien Kendal (Tipperary Mid Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Leng, Sir John O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Soares, Ernest J.
Levy, Maurice O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) Spencer, Rt Hn C R (Northants
Lloyd-George, David O'Dowd, John Stevenson, Francis S.
Lough, Thomas O'Shee, James John Strachey, Sir Edward
Lundon, W. Partington Oswald Sullivan, Donal
Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. Paulton, James Mellor Toulmin, George
MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) Trevelyan, Charles Philips
MacVeagh, Jeremiah Perks, Robert William Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan
M'Crae, George Priestley, Arthur Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney
M'Hugh, Patrick A. Reckitt, Harold James Weir, James Galloway
M'Kean, John Reddy, M. White, George (Norfolk)
M'Kenna, Reginald Redmond, John E. (Waterford White, Luke (York, E. R.)
M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) Redmond, William (Clare) Whiteley, George (York, W.R.
M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin Robertson, Edmund (Dundee) Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Mansfield, Horace Rendall Roche, John Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh N. Rose, Charles Day Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Mooney, John J. Runciman, Walter Woodhouse, Sir J T (Huddersf'd
Morley, Charles (Breconshire Russell, T. W. Young, Samuel
Murnaghan, George Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland) Yoxall, James Henry
Nannetti, Joseph P. Schwann, Charles E.
Nolan, Col John P. (Galway, N. Shackleton, David James TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir
Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.) Thomas Esmonde and Captian Donelan.
Norman, Henry Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Norton, Capt. Cecil William Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Nussey, Thomas Willans Slack, John Bamford
NOES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Elliot, Hon A. Ralph Douglas Malcolm, Ian
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r Maxwell, Rt Hn. Sir H. E. (Wigt'n
Aird, Sir John Fitz Gerald, Sir Robert Penrose Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer
Anson, Sir William Reynell Forster, Henry William Mount, William Arthur
Arnold-Forster, Rt Hn Hugh O Foster, Philips.(Warwick S W. Murray, Rt Hn. A. Graham (Bute
Arrol, Sir William Gardner, Ernest Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Garfit, William Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt Hn Sir H. Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin & Nairn Newdegate, Francis A. N.
Bain, Colonel James Robert Gordon Maj Evans-(T'r H'mlets O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens
Baird, John George Alexander Gore, Hn G. R. C. Ormsby-(Salop Palmer, Walter (Salisbury)
Balcarres, Lord Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby-(Linc.) Peel, Hn. Wm. Robert Wellesley
Baldwin, Alfred Graham, Henry Robert Percy, Earl
Balfour, Rt. Hon. A J. (Manch'r Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury) Platt-Higgins, Frederick
Balfour Rt Hn Gerald W(Leeds Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs.) Powell, Sir Francis Sharp
Bartley, Sir George C. T. Gretton, John Pretyman, Ernest George
Bignold, Arthur Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas P. Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
Blundell, Colonel Henry Hamilton Marq. Of (L'nd'nderry Rankin, Sir James
Bousfield, William Robert Harris, P. Leverton (Tynem'th Reid, James (Greenock)
Bowles, Lt.-Col. H. F. (Middlesex Haslett, Sir James Horner Ridley, Hn. M. W. (Stalybridge
Bowles, T. Gibson (King's Lynn Hay, Hon. Claude George Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Green)
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Brotherton, Edward Allen Hobhouse, Rt Hn H. (Somers't, E Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye
Campbell, Rt. Hn. J. A. (Glasgow Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Horner, Frederick William Royds, Clement Molyneux
Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire Howard J. (Midd Tottenham Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)
Chamberlain, Rt Hn. J. A. (Worc Hunt, Rowland Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Chapman, Edward Jeffreys Rt Ron Arthur Fred. Sharpe, William Edward T.
Churchill, Winston Spencer Simeon, Sir Barrington
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Kenyon-Slaney, Col. W.(Salop. Spear John Ward
Coghill, Douglas Harry Kerr, John Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Lancs.)
Cohen, Benjamin Louis Knowles, Sir Lees Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart
Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse Laurie, Lieut.-General Stock, James Henry
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Stone, Sir Benjamin
Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile Lawson John Grant (Yorks. N R
Cubitt, Hon. Henry Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Davenport, William Bromley Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Thornton, Percy M.
Denny, Colonel Llewellyn, Evan Henry Tuke, Sir John Batty
Dickson, Charles Scott Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham) Valentia, Viscount
Dorington, Rt. Hon Sir John E. Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol S) Walker, Col. William Hall
Douglas Rt. Hon. A. Akers Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft) Walrond, Rt Hn Sir William H.
Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred Warde, Colonel C. E.
Egerton, Hon. A. do Tatton Maconochie, A. W. Welby, Sir Charles G. E. (Notts.)
Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. K. R. (Bath TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Sir
Willoughbyde Eresby, Lord Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm Alexander Acland-Hood
Wilson, John (Glasgow) Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George and Mr. Ailwyn Fellowes.

MR. JOHN REDMOND moved that Progress be reported. It was unnecessary to fortify the Motion with any words, for it was evident to the House that discussion in Committee of Supply could not now be continued.

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the Chairman do report Progress; and ask leave to sit again."—(Mr. John Redmond.)

THE PRIME MINISTER AND FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY (Mr. A. J. BALFOUR, Manchester, E.)

I see no great object——

MR. SWIFT MACNEILL (Donegal, S.)

In continuing the Government.

MR. A. J. BALFOUR

I see no great object in assenting to the Motion of the hon. and learned Member. I understand he has succeeded in reducing a grant to Ireland by £100.

MR. JOHN REDMOND

In defeating the Government at a cost of £100 to Ireland. It is money well spent.

MR. SWIFT MACNEILL

It is an end of the farce.

MR. A. J. BALFOUR

I do not know why the hon. Member for South Donegal is so very excited over it. The hon. Gentleman who moved the reduction and succeeded in carrying it, objected to my statement that he had induced the Committee to reduce the Vote proposed by the Government by £100. He has truly said that, as the Vote was proposed by the Government, in so far he has had his way in defeating the Government. That is obvious on the face of the transaction. Why on that account we should be unable to go on with Supplementary Estimates I am unable to see.

MR. DALZIEL (Kirkcaldy Burghs)

Are you going to take it lying down?

MR. A. J. BALFOUR

We have to get through a considerable amount of financial business before 31st March, and I do not think it is expedient or desirable that one of the too few days remaining should be wasted in discussion in the lobby or elsewhere, which the hon. and learned Gentleman seems to think should be the consequence of the incident that has just occurred.

MR. J. F. HOPE (Sheffield, Brightside)

thought hon. Members should be well satisfied with the result, and he could not understand why they should not go on to discuss other items in the Supplementary Estimates. He admitted that the question of the teaching of the Irish language was an interesting one and that the debate on it was too short. But there had been a reduction of the Vote, and he supposed the advocates of the study of Irish would thereby gain an accession of strength for their movement. What, he asked, was the next business in Supply?

*THE CHAIRMAN

The next Supplementary Vote for Savings Banks.

MR. J. F. HOPE

said it was important that they should proceed to discuss the Vote for the Savings Banks' and Friendly Societies' Deficiencies in view of the fact that on Friday next the Bill dealing with that subject would come up for discussion.

MR. SWIFT MACNEILL

Has the Savings Bank Vote anything to do with the Motion to report Progress?

*THE CHAIRMAN

The hon. Member is entitled to point out what will be the next business in case Progress is not reported.

MR. J. F. HOPE

said he desired to call attention to the fact that they were going to discuss the savings bank's deficiences. Next Friday there was a Bill to be brought forward to deal with savings banks, and no doubt then there would be a great deal of elucidation of the subject. As they all knew, the Supplementary Estimates had to be got through before the 31st of March. He thought they ought to discuss the question of the savings banks in a business-like and sensible way.

MR. DALZIEL

asked if the Prime Minister was going to ignore the decision of the Committee? Did his remarks mean that he was going to take no notice of the decision of the House? [An HON. MEMBER: The Amendment has been adopted.] He wished to know if the right hon. Gentleman proposed to accept the decision just arrived at, or did he propose to reverse it. Would he reverse the Government policy in Ireland upon which the division was taken? Was he going to think Imperially with regard to this decision? If he proposed to ignore this decision he would not be following precedents.

MR. A. J. BALFOUR

The hon. Member mistakes the position. It is not in the power of the Government to ignore the decision of the House, except by the reintroduction of the original Estimate. I hardly think it will be worth that, and therefore we shall acquiesce in the decision of the House.

MR. WILLIAM REDMOND (Clare, E.)

advised the Prime Minister to wire to Peckham.

MR. GIBSON BOWLES (Lynn Regis)

said he extremely regretted the defeat which His Majesty's Government had just sustained. All the free-fooders supported the Government in the lobby, and therefore he could only attribute the defeat of the Government to the abstention of those protectionists who ground them under their heel on Wednesday last. He trusted His Majesty's Government would now see what a

broken reed these protectionists were to them in a moment of danger. What the right hon. Gentleman had said as to this being a binding decision of the House was quite true, because what had been voted was the reduced sum. This sum had been absolutely and completely voted, and not even on Report could the original sum be put in again. They could only do it by re-introducing the Estimate or another Estimate for £100, and he did not think the Government would consider it would be worth their while to do that. The only occasion upon which he ever marched up to the Table a winner was when, in conjunction with Mr. Hanbury, they reduced the salaries of the House of Lords by £500, and that amount had been saved to the country annually ever since. The present decision would be accepted, and he trusted this would be a lesson to the Government not to rely upon their protectionist friends in a moment of emergency, but rather turn to the gay and gallant and generous spirits who sat below the gangway, who, although they felt bound to express their convictions occasionally, when they found their friends drowning were ready to extend to them the straw. Under these circumstances, as the Government had accepted this economy of £100, ha thought the Motion to report Progress might be withdrawn.

MR. WHITLEY (Halifax)

asked how many defeats would the Government require before they resigned.

Question put.

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 146; Noes, 171. (Division List No. 55.)

AYES.
Abraham, William (Cork N. E.) Burke, E. Haviland Cullinan, J.
Allen, Charles P. Buxton, Sydney Charles Dalziel, James Henry
Ambrose, Robert Caldwell, James Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan
Ashton, Thomas Gair Cameron, Robert Delany, William
Atherley-Jones, L. Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.
Barry, E. (Cork, S.) Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton Doogan, P. C.
Black, Alexander William Causton, Richard Knight Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)
Blake, Edward Cawley, Frederick Duncan, J. Hastings
Boland, John Clancy, John Joseph Ellice Capt E C (S. Andrew's Bghs
Brigg, John Condon, Thomas Joseph Ellis, John Edward (Notts.)
Brown, George M. (Edinburgh) Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark) Emmott, Alfred
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James Crean, Eugene Evans, Sir Francis H. (Maidstone
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Crombie, John William Farquharson, Dr. Robert
Fenwick, Charles MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Reid, Sir E Threshie (Dumfries
Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith) MacVeagh, Jeremiah Robertson, Edmund (Dundee)
Ffrench, Peter M'Crae, George Roche, John
Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond M'Hugh, Patrick A. Rose, Charles Day
Flavin, Michael Joseph M'Kean, John Runciman, Walter
Flynn, James Christopher M'Kenna, Reginald Russell, T. W.
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North.) Samuel, Herbert F. (Cleveland)
Gladstone Rt Hn. Herbert John M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin Schwann, Charles E.
Goddard, Daniel Ford Mansfield, Horace Rendall Shaw, Thomas (Hawick, B.)
Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir E. (Berwick) Mooney, John J. Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton Morley, Charles (Breconshire) Shipman, Dr. John G.
Hammond, John Morley, Rt. Hn. John (Montrose) Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Harmsworth, B. Leicester Murnaghan, George Slack, John Bamford
Hayden, John Patrick Nannetti, Joseph P. Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Hemphill, Rt. Hon. Charles H. Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway N) Soares, Ernest J.
Hobhouse, C. E. H. (Bristol E.) Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) Spencer Rt. Hn. C R. (Northants
Holland, Sir William Henry Norman, Henry Stevenson, Francis S.
Hope, John Deans (Fife West) Norton, Capt. Cecil William Strachey, Sir Edward
Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C. Nussey, Thomas Willans Sullivan, Donal
Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork) Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) O'Brien Kendal (Tipperary Mid) Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Jacoby, James Alfred O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Joicey, Sir James O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) Weir, James Galloway
Jones David Brynmor (Swansea O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) White, George (Norfolk)
Jones, William (Carnarvonshire O'Dowd John White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Joyce, Michael O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Whiteley, George (York W. R.)
Kitson, Sir James O'Shee, James John Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Lambert, George Partington, Oswald Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Layland-Barratt, Francis Paulton, James Mellor Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Leese Sir Joseph F. (Accrington Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) Woodhouse Sir J. T. (Huddersf'd
Leng, Sir John Perks, Robert William Young, Samuel
Levy, Maurice Priestley, Arthur Yoxall, James Henry
Lloyd-George, David Reckitt, Harold James
Lough, Thomas Reddy, M. TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir
Lundon, W. Redmond, John E. (Waterford) Thomas Esmonde and
Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. Redmond, William (Clare) Captain Donelan.
NOES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Chapman, Edward Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby-(Linc.
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel Churchill, Winston Spencer Goulding, Edward Alfred
Aird, Sir John Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Graham, Henry Robert
Allhusen Augustus Henry Eden Coghill, Douglas Harry Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury)
Anson, Sir William Reynell Cohen, Benjamin Louis Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.
Arnold-Forster, Rt. Hn. Hugh O Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse Gretton, John
Arrol, Sir William Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F.
Atkinson, Et. Hon. John Cripps, Charles Alfred Hamilton, Marq. of (L'nd'nderry
Anbrey-Fletcher Kt. Hon. Sir H. Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile Hare, Thomas Leigh
Bain, Colonel James Robert Cubitt, Hon. Henry Harris, E. Leverton (Tyhem'th
Baird, John George Alexander Dalkeith, Earl of Haslam, Sir Alfred S.
Balcarres, Lord Davenport, William Rromley Haslett, Sir James Horner
Baldwin, Alfred Denny, Colonel Hay, Hon. Claude George
Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'r Dickson, Charles Scott Heath, James (Staffords N W.
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey.) Dorington, Rt. Hon. Sir John E. Helder, Augustus
Balfour Rt Hn. Gerald W (Leeds Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T.
Bartley, Sir George C. T. Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin Hobhouse, Rt Hn. H (Somers't E
Bathurst Hon. Allen Benjamin Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William Hart Hogg, Lindsay
Beach Rt Hn Sir Michael Hicks Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton Hope, J. F.(Sheffield Brightside
Bignold, Arthur Elliot, Hon. A. Ralph Douglas Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham
Bigwood, James Fergusson Bt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r Hudson, George Bickersteth
Blundell, Colonel Henry Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. Hunt, Rowland
Bousfield, William Robert Fitz Gerald, Sir Robert Penrose Jeffreys, Et, Hn. Arthur Fred.
Bowles, Lt.-Col. H. F. (Middlesex Fitzroy, Hn. Edward Algernon Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton
Bowles, T. Gibson (King's Lynn Flower, Sir Ernest Kenyon-Slaney, Col. W. (Salop
Brassey, Albert Forster, Henry William Kerr, John
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Foster, Philip S. (Warwick S. W. Knowles, Sir Lees
Brotherton, Edward Allen Fyler, John Arthur Laurie, Lieut.-General
Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropsh.) Gardner, Earnest Law, Awdrew Bonar (Glasgow)
Campbell, Rt. Hn. J. A (Glasgow Garfit, William Lawrence, Win. F. (Liverpool)
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Gordon, Hn. J. F. (Elgin & Nairn) Lawson, John Grant (Yorks N R
Cavendish, V. C. W.(Derbyshire Gordon Maj Evans-(T'rH'mlets Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead)
Chamberlain Rt. Hn. J. A. (Worc Gore, Hn. C. R. C. Oimsby-(Salop Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage
Leveson-Gower, Frederick N S. Plummer, Walter R. Stock, James Henry
Llewellyn, Evan Henry Powell, Sir Francis Sharp Stone Sir Benjamin
Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham) Pretyman, Ernest George Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol S. Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Oxf'd Univ.
Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft Rankin, Sir James Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred Ratcliff, R. F. Thorburn, Sir Walter
Maconochie, A. W. Reid, James (Greenock) Thornton, Percy M.
Malcolm, Ian Ridley, Hn. M. W. (Stalybridge Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward
Manners, Lord Cecil Ridley, S Forde (Bethnel Green Tuke, Sir John Batty
Maxwell, Rt Hn. Sir H. E. (Wigt'n Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas Thomson Valentia, Viscount
Maxwell, W. J. H (Dumfriesshire Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) Walker, Col. William Hall
Mildmay, Francis Bingham Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye Walround, Rt. Hn. Sir William H
Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh N.) Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert Warde, Colonel C. E.
Morpeth, Viscount Rothschild Hon. Lionel Walter Welby, Sir Charles G. E. (Notts.)
Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer Royds, Clement Molyneux Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd
Mount, William Arthur Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Murray, Rt Hn A. Graham (Bute Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)
Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) Samuel, Sir H. S. (Limehouse) Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Newdegate, Francis A. N. Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens Sharpe, William Edward T.
Palmer, Walter (Salisbury) Simeon, Sir Barrington TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Sir
Parker, Sir Gilbert Spear, John Ward Alexander Acland-Hood
Peel, Hn Wm. Robert Wellesley Stanley, Edward Jas (Somerset) and Mr. Ailwyn Fellowes.
Percy, Earl Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Lancs.)
Platt-Higgins, Frederick Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart
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