HC Deb 13 July 1904 vol 137 cc1553-606

Considered in Committee.

(In the Committee.)

[Mr. J. W. LOWTHER (Cumberland, Penrith) in the Chair.]

Clause 6:—

Amendment again proposed— In page 3, line 34, after the word 'may' to insert the words 'subject to the consent of Parliament.'"—(Mr. Lloyd-George.)

Question proposed "That those words be there inserted."

SIR JAMES JOICEY,

continuing his speech, said he simply rose to make a protest against the proposal to hand over these great powers to the Home Office. He had always been strongly in favour of the control of Parliament, but it had become the fashion to destroy the control of Parliament and place the control in the hands of the Government Departments. It was a somewhat extraordinary fact that, very often when the Prime Minister intervened, he did so just when some concession was going to be made in respect of some reasonable Amendment; and he therefore regretted that he had intervened on this occasion. Proceeding to argue in favour of the Amendment, Sir James pointed to the Scotch Act under which the licensing authority had to make the rules, which had to be confirmed by the Scotch Secretary. He thought it would be better if such a method were adopted in this Bill, for the licensing authorities were the proper persons to make the rules, but for some reason the Prime Minister was always more reasonable when dealing with Scotch legislations. If they looked at the regulations, he thought hon. Members would agree that the Bill took away from the licensing authorities a great deal of the power they ought to possess. The Home Office would practically become the licensing authority. In the Mines Regulations Act, to which the Prime Minister had referred, there was some protection to those who were affected by the rules; but in this Bill there was no such protection. This was a new departure altogether. He had the strongest objection to any such power being put in the hands of a Department, and he therefore felt it his duty to protest. He hoped the protest would have some effect and that the Solicitor-General would be able to make some concession.

MR. RENWICK (Newcastle-on-Tyne)

said he had the greatest possible objection to the Amendment. If it were carried the whole of this clause would be continuously being raised in the House. When they considered the congested state of business, that was not a state of things which anyone could look forward to with equanimity. The hon. Member for Chester-le-Street had told them the licensing committee was to be tabooed, but if this Amendment were carried it could not be anything else. He wished to see the greatest liberty possible given to licensing justices, and that seemed to be the wish of Members on both sides. He asked the House to consider what the Amendment really meant to which they were asked to consent. It meant that no rules could be made without the consent of Parliament and that every rule made would have to come before them. He did not believe the hon. Member opposite who moved the Amendment, but was not then in his place, could have given any consideration to it or he would have seen the absurdity of his suggestion. He was anxious if they were going to carry the Bill—as they were—to give the fullest power to the licensing authority, and, if hon. Members opposite were sincere in their desire to do the same thing, he might point out they would be defeating their desire by carrying the Amendment.

MR. BROADHURST (Leicester)

said that the object of this clause was to destroy all sense of independence and throw contempt upon all the local authorities. The Bill did not trust them even to decide what should be a quorum. Could anything be more absurd than that? The Committee of the House seemed to forget that there were on quarter session benches men who were as capable of administering, and as well able to decide what was just and what unjust, as most of the Members of that Committee. What could be more wanting in consideration and respect for these authorities than that the Home Office in London should make regulations, look after the application of the compensation fund, and audit the accounts of the quarter sessions? Quarter session accounts were audited now without any assistance, guidance, or help from the Home Office. Surely quarter sessions were perfectly capable of regulating the procedure of their own committees. He was amazed to find a great Department of State like the Home Office passing judgment and condemnation upon the common sense and administrative capacity of quarter sessions. The whole thing was a succession of insults to these old institutions.

SIR FREDERICK BANBURY (Camberwell, Peckham)

on a point of order, asked if the hon. Member had read the Amendment. The Amendment was not to take away powers from the quarter sessions but to say that rules should be made by the Home Office, subject to the consent of Parliament.

MR. BROADHURST

said he would respectfully suggest that he was perfectly capable of understanding what he was talking about and was not in the least likely to be instructed or assisted by the hon. Member for Peckham. He agreed that while the Amendment would do something to retain the existing rights of ancient bodies it would have been better if it had proposed the omission of Clause 6 altogether. Nobody knew better than the Solicitor-General that the clause was unworthy of the great Department of State it concerned. It was drafted on the principle of "teaching one's grandmother to suck eggs." Brewster sessions and quarter sessions were quite as capable of dealing with the Licensing Acts as the Home Office, and if the mover of the Amendment went to a division he should certainly support him. It would at least secure some measure of protection to those bodies, since it ensured that the rules should not come into operation until they had lain on the Table of the House for at least forty days.

MR. LLOYD WHARTON

said he was entirely against the Amendment. He could not see why Parliament should be entrusted with the examination of the rules, for already its time was sufficiently taken up with other work. Up till 1888 quarter sessions had the whole of county finance to deal with. Since then the county councils had taken most of that work over. He believed that quarter sessions were still competent to deal with finance to some extent, and he suggested that certain matters in the sub-clauses should be referred to the quarter sessions, such as the borrowing of money, rules of procedure, etc. As chairman of quarter sessions he should be glad to be under the advice and sanction of the Home Office. Meanwhile he suggested that the chairmen of quarter sessions and the Home Office should meet, and having discussed the procedure to be evolved under the Act, draw up rules which would be satisfactory for the guidance of all.

MR. GEORGE WHITE (Norfolk. N.W.)

said that the object of the Amendment was somewhat misunderstood. The desire of those who supported it was that part of the rules might be left to quarter sessions, and the remainder submitted to Parliament instead of being entirely in the control of the Home Secretary. It was important to remember that the Bill had been passed through the House under very exceptional circumstances. The great powers proposed to be entrusted to the Home Secretary might be justified if the Bill had been thoroughly threshed out in Committee. Then it would have been for the House to determine what those powers should be which were to be delegated to the Home Secretary. But the Bill had been forced through the House without adequate opportunity for debate, and the House might well be jealous of the rights it conferred upon the Home Secretary. He could not agree with the Prime Minister that the rules were a mere matter of machinery. They raised many important questions of principle. By the first sub-section of the clause the Home Secretary had to keep the licence provisionally alive, pending an appeal against an adverse decision. That was a clear intimation that a licence was dead at the end of the year, and, but for the power placed in the hands of the Home Secretary, would actually expire—an argument for which the Opposition had been contending throughout. That power might, or might not be wisely exercised by the Home Secretary, but it justified the contention of the Opposition. Some part of this sub-section was not very intelligible. It provided for the provisional renewal of licences which were included in the reports of the licensing justices, and for consultations with the justices as to their reports, and the time and manner of the consideration of those reports. Surely that did not take cognisance of the fact that brewster sessions was a Court of justice. He did not quite understand how the Home Secretary was to have consultations with the justices upon these reports. Someone must have an injustice done him by such an arrangement—either the licensee or the public—by ex parte statements made in consultation with the Home Secretary.

SIR EDWARD CARSON

The hon. Member is an error. The consultation is between the licensing justices and quarter sessions, and has nothing to do with the Home Secretary.

MR. GEORGE WHITE

said the same argument applied. Those who had to arbitrate had no right to hear ex parte statements. He did not see any provisions made for the public to appear. There was very much more care taken of the interests of the trade than of the public. He asked the Government to reconsider the whole matter and allow a part of these duties to devolve upon quarter sessions, which could deal with them better than the Home Secretary, who could not know all the circumstances; and though there was a good deal to be said for placing some of these matters in the hands of the Home Secretary, others certainly ought to be subject to revision by Parliament.

MR. AKERS-DOUGLAS

said he did not think the Government had shown any desire to take from quarter sessions any further powers than they thought absolutely necessary. Before making these rules, his first effort would be to secure the co-operation of the experienced representatives of quarter sessions and to ask them to assist him, probably by serving on a committee with expert officials of the Home Office, in framing these rules. That was the ordinary way in which rules were framed under any Act passed through that House. It was on the ground of uniformity that he desired to retain the rule-making power in the hands of the Secretary of State. He could assure the Committee that it was with no desire to override quarter sessions or local opinion. He would endeavour to get all the assistance possible from those who had been accustomed to carry out the duties of quarter sessions and who in future would have to carry out the provisions of this Bill.

MR. ELLIS GRIFFITH

said the complaint of the Opposition against this clause was that it introduced a vicious principle into the legislation of the country. He was surprised that the hon. Member for Leicester should stand up as the champion of quarter sessions; he had always known that that Assembly was the Mother of Parliaments, but he had not known before that quarter sessions were the grandmother of the Home Secretary—that being the only inference he could draw from his hon. friend's speech. The Home Secretary's explanation of the manner in which he would make these rules was not at all reassuring. The Bill under discussion was not an uncontroversial measure dealing with factories or the regulation of mines; it was a measure so controversial in its character and so political in its clauses that the Government had had to adopt exceptional methods to pass it into law. And yet the Home Secretary, who was not only a great executive officer but a man of keen political perception, was to frame the rules! The proposal showed a great lack of trust in quarter sessions. They were not to be trusted to settle even the quorum of the committee! He was not previously aware of the existence of the Association of Chairmen of Quarter Sessions, which the right hon. Gentleman proposed to consult, bat it was certain to be a body of one political complexion, and in connection with the administration of a partisan measure such as that under discussion, it would be less capable than one would wish of that impartiality which was so desirable in a body by which the Home Secretary was to be advised. In Clause 6 Parliament was legislating not only by compartment but by Department. However valuable the Home Secretary might be as an executive officer, he was not the gentleman to legislate as provided for in this Bill. What was really meant by Sub-section (c)? Was it really intended that the Home Secretary, after consultation with the chairmen of quarter sessions, should regulate the application of the compensation fund? If so, the right hon. Gentleman would be able to override all the clauses of the Bill. Whatever the Home Secretary did ought to be subject to the control and authority of Parliament, and upon that ground he supported the Amendment.

MR. H. C. RICHARDS (Finsbury, E.)

urged the necessity of securing uniformity in the rules of quarter sessions. In each of the counties of London, Middlesex, Sussex, and Kent the rules with regard to licensing matters were different, and it was most difficult for persons called upon professionally to go from one county to another to know exactly how to comply with the different regulations. If it had been proposed that the Local Government Board or the Board of Trade should draw up these rules he would have voted with the Opposition, because in those Departments the permanent officials controlled everything; but at the Home Office it was quite different. The Home Secretary was surrounded by experienced gentlemen who were able to give the intelligent construction which was so much required in these matters. He somewhat favoured the suggestion of the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Ripon that the quarter sessions should meet and submit rules to the Home Office, but on the whole he thought the Home Secretary had made out his case for a meeting between himself and the representatives of quarter sessions for the purpose of arranging a set of rules. His main purpose in rising, however, was to express astonishment at the speech of the hon. Member for Leicester, who had made an heroic defence of quarter sessions. He had had the pleasure of reading the speeches of the hon. Member for some twenty-five years, and had followed his career with the greatest interest, and he noted that his defence of quarter sessions had only occurred since the hon. Member had been put on the commission of the peace for the county of Norfolk. ["Oh!"] He had a high opinion of quarter sessions when the removables were not on, but when he saw the way in which these gentlemen were brought up to support each other's local authority in cases where a local authority was trying to run down some unfortunate private individual, he had not that respect for quarter sessions that he used to have.

MR. BROADHURST

Who are the removables?

MR. H. C. RICHARDS

said they were the gentlemen who sat for one year and upwards, the chairmen of urban and district councils, who as a rule were a disgrace to the bench. ["Oh!" and "Order."]

MR. BROADHURST

On the point of order, Sir. I am not aware whether there is any Gentleman in this House who acts as justice of the peace in consequence of being chairman of a local authority—I am certainly not one—but at any rate I ask whether it is in order for an hon. Member of this House to charge justices of the peace with being a disgrace to the bench.

THE CHAIRMAN

It is doubtful at any time whether it is a desirable thing for a Member of this House to make use of his position to violently attack private individuals. Personally I should very much like to see the rule considerably modified. But the rule does exist, and apparently a Member of this House may attack in any unmeasured terms anybody who is outside the House without any fear of the consequences. At the same time I think the hon. Member's reference to these gentlemen as being a disgrace to the Bench is rather a strong expression, and I hope he may see his way to modify it.

MR. H. C. RICHARDS

said any expression which fell from the Chair would have his sincere attempt at obedience. He would modify the letter of his observation, though the spirit would remain the same ["Order" and "Withdraw"]; they were not a disgrace to the bench, because the bench had been so altered now—

AN HON.MEMBER

Withdraw generously.

MR. H. C. RICHARDS

said it was one thing when quarter sessions were represented by gentlemen like the hon. Member for Leicester or the hon. Member for King's Lynn, whose only idea, they knew, would be to administer justice, but quite a different thing when gentlemen of less experience acted on quarter sessions for a brief time. The Bill was to come into operation as soon as the Royal Assent had been given; it would therefore be absurd not to be able to bring the rules into operation until the meeting of Parliament or forty days after.

MR. THOMAS SHAW (Hawick Burghs)

expressed his high appreciation of the suggestion of the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Ripon, which he understood to be that quarter sessions should be allowed first to make substantial regulations as to detail and procedure, and that after that there should be, if necessary, the imprimatur of the Home Office. He was of opinion that the precedent of the Licensing (Scotland) Act, 1903, cited by the Prime Minister, was really in favour, not of the clause under discussion, but of the suggestion made by the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Ripon. The present clause read— A Secretary of State may make rules… whereas in Section 49 of the Act cited the words were— Without prejudice to their other powers under this Act. A licensing Court may from time to time make by-laws as they think fit. and Sub-section (2) provided that— A by-law made by a licensing Court under this section shall not come into operation until it has been confirmed by the Secretary for Scotland. The precedent cited by the Prime Minister for the clause was no precedent at all. He did not think it should be in the power of the Secretary of State to make the rules regulating the application of the compensation fund. That was a matter of statecraft. The idea of a defence being offered for this clause on the ground that it was a necessity of our Parliamentary procedure was another instance of the desire of the Government to transfer duties which properly belonged to Parliament to the shoulders of State officials. In these important matters it was now proposed to divorce the control of Parliament and relegate to a set of State officials at Whitehall the regulation, management, and application of the compensation fund. That appeared to him to be a matter on which the consent of Parliament ought to be taken. Quarter sessions might vary in their circumstances, and they might wish to make different regulations in regard to their procedure, and why should they not do so, and afterwards apply for the consent of the Secretary of State? That system was working well in Scotland, and it would give local authorities more power of initiative and less power to the Secretary of State. While he had offered these remarks in no controversial spirit, he perfectly understood that the scheme of the Bill was to give more power, jurisdiction, and control to the quarter sessions of the country. He did not, however, expect to find any supporter of the Government using the liberty, which they all had, to attack the personnel of quarter sessions in the language they had just heard. Amid all the criticisms of the Bill he knew of none which suggested that having regard to the character or qualifications of the personnel of the bench they were doing wrong in vesting them with these additional powers.

SIR EDWARD CARSON

said he had always deprecated attacks on the justices who had to administer the law, whether in this country or in Ireland. He was afraid it was a matter of complaint that parties in that House did attack those who had no power to answer for themselves. That was a matter in regard to which both sides ought to be equally jealous, and he was afraid complaint as to the practice could not come from one side more than from the other. The Amendment before the Committee was that the rules ought to be laid before Parliament, and the Prime Minister had quoted the Scotch precedent to show that equally important rules were withdrawn from the cognisance of Parliament. The debate was now turning on the question whether the rules ought to be made by quarter sessions or by the Home Secretary, a matter entirely inconsistent with the Amendment. The hon. Member for Leicester, who had had some experience at the Home Office, said that they might strike out Clause 6 altogether and that the Bill would work perfectly well with the rules quarter sessions would lay down. If that were true what became of the argument that there was legislation in Clause 6. It was simply a question of which was the best method of procedure. Several hon. Members who had spoken had apparently forgotten that, in the course of the afternoon, he had accepted an Amendment by which quarter sessions were to be allowed to regulate their own procedure in the one important matter dealt with in Clause 6 which most properly appertained to quarter sessions. There were, however, some matters in this clause which ought to be left in the hands of the Home Office, and he could not see his way to alter the clause in the way which the hon. Member for Ripon had suggested. The hon. Member stated that the question of the renewal of the licence was a very important one. He wished to point out that they had already enacted that quarter sessions alone could refuse the renewal of a licence. If there was legislation in the clause he should be as jealous as any Member of the House of relegating it to a Department. But the matters provided for by the clause were all matters of a purely administrative nature. The question of delegating legislative powers to the Home Office was not at all involved. It was of importance, for the smooth working of the Act, that there should be uniformity of administration throughout the country, and that uniformity would be secured by the formulation of rules by the Home Office, which, of course, would act in consultation with the representatives of quarter sessions.

MR. BRYN ROBERTS (Carnarvonshire,) Eifion

agreed that it was desirable to have uniformity; but the clause destroyed uniformity instead of achieving it, because it set aside the safeguard which Parliament had provided against abuses in the formulation of rules by a Department. This procedure was by no means new, and it had been almost constantly applied in this House. It had been of such constant application that not long ago an Act of Parliament had to be passed for the purpose of regulating it. He thought it was incumbent upon the Government to show that there was some special reason in this particular case why the method adopted should not be the usual method enacted by Parliament to be followed. Promises made across the floor of the House were very ephemeral, and were often forgotten. He protested against the abuse of legislation by rules where the Act of Parliament was set aside in favour of a loose statement made across the floor of the House. Up to the present when a final body of rules were fixed they were laid before Parliament, and when Parliament did not move an Address they automatically became law without any further trouble. Why was that procedure not to be followed in this case? There ought to be some explanation why it was not followed. The argument that this was a matter of machinery was beside the mark. On that side they acknowledged that there must be rules regarding details which could not be framed in the House and which must be delegated, but what they did not acknowledge was that the power of repudiation, provided for by the Rules Publication Act, should be absolutely taken away as it was by this proposal.

MR. LLOYD WHARTON

thanked the Home Secretary for conceding the suggestion he had made. He believed that a joint consultation between the Home Office and some members of quarter sessions would lead to the acceleration of a satisfactory settlement of this question. In that way they would get unanimity instead of each quarter sessions agreeing upon their own rules.

MR. EDMUND ROBERTSON

said he interposed for the purpose of recommending to the attention of the Solicitor-General the compromise which had been suggested by his hon friend behind him. What his hon. friend proposed was that words should be introduced in the Bill requiring that the rules should be laid before Parliament. That would not in any way subject the rules to discussion in Parliament. It would not make them exempted business, and they could not come on for discussion after twelve o'clock, but it would bring the rules within the Rules Publication Act of 1893 which contained some valuable provisions. He asked the Solicitor-General whether he could not see his way to agree to this compromise and promise to introduce words so as to allow the rules to be laid before Parliament.

SIR EDWARD CARSON

said he quite agreed as to the usefulness of the Rules Publication Act to which his hon. friend had referred. If there were any rules to be made under this Bill of the character and importance which required them to be laid before Parliament, he should at once accede to the request which had been made, but having thought over the matter, and knowing the importance of being able to revise the rules—because in the first instance they might be tentative—he really did suggest to the hon. and learned Member that there was nothing in the rules to make it necessary to go through the formality required by the Rules Act of 1893. The rules were intended merely to smooth the working of the Bill. They contained nothing to which any one could object.

MR. LAWSON WALTON (Leeds, S.)

said he wished to make one observation in relation to the proposed method of procedure under the Bill. The Solicitor-General, following the Prime Minister, said this was purely a matter of machinery. He was not aware of any kind of statutory construction by which they could distinguish between what was mere machinery and what was a substantive provision. What was proposed by the scheme now before the Committee was to cast upon some Department a burden which rested upon the House itself, namely, to regulate the method by which that law was to be administered. What was here proposed was entirely novel, and he supposed it was due to the over-burdening of the Parliamentary machine. He could not accept the statement or the Solicitor-General that these rules were mere machinery, that there would be nothing of a substantive character in them, that therefore it did not much matter who made the rules provided he was someone competent, and that it did not much matter when they were made.

SIR EDWARD CARSON

They should be made as quickly as possible.

MR. LAWSON WALTON

said they had had experience in connection with certain recent Acts of Parliament, that where the framing of rules was left to one of the Departments of the State, the duty was not carried out. In this case they were getting rid of a burden placed upon them, and shuffling it on to the shoulders of some Department, but they were not laying down any period in which the rules should be framed, and they were not providing for checking them officially after they had been constructed. In connection with more than one statute they had had the will of Parliament reduced to futility, owing to the fact that an obligation placed on a Department had not been discharged. The Solicitor-General had said that it was undesirable that these rules should be left to quarter sessions, because they would lack the uniformity which ought to characterise rules of universal application. That was the very test which showed that they did belong to the sphere of legislation. The moment it was necessary that the rules should be of universal application they found a condition of things to which legislation, and legislation alone, was applicable in order to impart the uniformity to the system which was desired. If there was to be uniformity, he submitted that they at once invoked legislative authority in order to impose on a reluctant, or indifferent, or objecting jurisdiction, the will of some central authority. Was that to be the Home Office or not?

There was this important consideration, that when previous Acts of Parliament had been under consideration the rules had been framed before the Bill was introduced. He should not be challenging this method of procedure if the rules had been framed, but this legislation was immature, it was crude, it had not been fully developed, because the Government left to a vague and indefinite future the framing of rules which were essential to give effect to this legislation. In many Acts of Parliament during the past few years, schedules had contained the rules so that Parliament could consider them contemporaneously with the measure which was to give effect to them and add to them the sanction of law. He presumed that his right hon. friend would tell them that the rules had never been discussed. Therefore this was a new departure in legislation. He defied his hon. and learned friend to distinguish between what was substantive and what was procedure. He remembered that the House spent many hours in considering matters of procedure in connection with the Workmen's Compensation Act. The Committee had spent hours in discussing the details of this measure, but the whole legislation was to be at the mercy of the Home Department, which might make rules which would defeat the views of the House. As a constitutional lawyer he protested against these rules being forced on quarter sessions by the Home Office. When it was considered that it was essential that rules should be uniform and general in their application, then they had a legislative character and should find a place in a schedule of the Act. The rules should be laid before Parliament and subjected to Parliamentary review. Experience had shown how the intention of an Act might be defeated by the procedure adopted in putting it in force.

MR. BOUSFIELD (Hackney, N.)

said the time had gone by when the House could afford to spend hours in discussing procedure under such a measure as this. The duty of framing rules ought to be carried out by the Departments. The practice was to frame draft rules, then to consult a large number of people interested in the subject and invite suggestions from them for their improvement. He had no doubt that in this case the draft rules would be submitted to the chairmen of quarter sessions and others, and the result would be that a practical set of rules would be drawn up. If they were to frame rules by legislation, there would be a loss of flexibility and adaptability, and many mistakes might be-made which could only be rectified with much difficulty and expense.

MR. AINSWORTH (Argyllshire)

said that before they divided as to the whole clause, he might be allowed to call the attention of the right hon. Gentleman the Solicitor-General to what he thought was a perfectly parallel case. Under the Education Act every educational authority was required to send up a scheme to the Education Department for approval. He would suggest that if the details were to be withdrawn from Parliament, every quarter sessions should be required to send up a licensing scheme to the Home Secretary, so that he might have every information before him, and be able to decide whether the scheme was one which would work in the circumstances of the locality.

MR. DISRAELI

said that in his very interesting speech the hon. Member for Hackney advocated the rules being framed, and carried out by the Department. They all knew that the hon. Member for Hackney got a Bill through the House which required considerable assistance from the Home Secretary, but no Judge or member of the legal profession would have anything to do with it. He must say that there was a good deal in what the hon. and learned Member for Leeds had stated in regard to this question. After the way the Home Office had behaved in regard to the last clause, he did not know that they were much to be trusted in carrying out these important regulations. He thought that such matters should be left to the decision either of this House or of quarter sessions. The rules were to provide for the provisional renewal of licences, and for the payment of compensation; to provide for the enforcement of any security for any borrowed money, and for its repayment; to regulate the management and application of the compensation fund, and the audit of accounts; to provide for the appointment of committees, the regulation of procedure in granting a new licence; and to provide for the authentication of documents. Now, these were matters which at the present moment were dealt with by the licensing authorities, and there was not one of those regulations which could not be framed by quarter sessions or petty sessions without the assistance of the Home Office. The Solicitor-General said that he wanted uniformity, and so the Home Office was to make rules and regulations; but on the previous day the Prime Minister said that he was in favour of variety, and for that reason petty sessions were to make their own rules and regulations. He did not understand that contradiction. He was very strongly of opinion that, whatever might be the merits of the Department in drawing up regulations, these rules and regulations under this Bill should be made either by the House or by quarter sessions.

MR. BRYN ROBERTS

moved to insert the words, "with the consent of Parliament." The simple effect of that Amendment would be that the machinery of the 1893 Act would be adopted. The Home Secretary would publish the rules provisionally, and after a certain number of days any local body might take objection to them. The Home Secretary would then, after considering the objections, publish them as final rules, which would be laid on the Table of the House and after a certain number of

days they would become law, unless some Members objected. There was no objection to that method being adopted in this Bill. It would secure that the public would be heard, that quarter sessions would be heard, and that Parliament would have an opportunity of reviewing them.

THE CHAIRMAN

said the proper course for the hon. Member to take would be to ask the hon. Member for Newmarket to withdraw his Amendment, and then to submit his own.

MR. BRYN ROBERTS

said he thought his Amendment would come after the rules; but he agreed to the Chairman's ruling.

MR. LOUGH (Islington, W.)

said he hoped the Solicitor-General would agree to some compromise on the point. Many hon. Members could not go the full length of the Amendment, but it was perfectly reasonable that there should be some method of publication before the rules became operative.

SIR EDWARD CARSON

said that it was desirable that there should be no delay whatever in the preparation of the rules, and that there should be the greatest possible elasticity for revising the rules. He could not accept the Amendment.

Question put.

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 181; Noes, 263. (Division List No. 230.)

AYES.
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Burt, Thomas Doogan, P. C.
Ainsworth, John Stirling Buxton, Sydney Charles Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark
Allen, Charles P. Caldwell, James Duncan, J. Hastings
Asher, Alexander Cameron, Robert Edwards, Frank
Ashton, Thomas Gair Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Elibank, Master of
Asquith, Rt Hon Herbert Henry Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. Ellice, Capt E C (SAndrw's Bghs
Atherley-Jones, L. Cawley, Frederick Ellis, John Edward (Notts)
Barlow, John Emmott Channing, Francis Allston Emmott, Alfred
Barran, Rowland Hirst Condon, Thomas Joseph Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan)
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) Eve, Harry Trelawney
Beaumont, Wentworth C. B. Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark) Farquharson, Dr. Robert
Bell, Richard Cremer, William Randal Fenwick, Charles
Benn, John Williams Crombie, John William Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith)
Black, Alexander William Crooks, William Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond
Boland, John Cullinan, J. Flynn, James Christopher
Bolton, Thomas Dolling Dalziel, James Henry Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.
Brigg, John Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen) Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry
Broadhurst, Henry Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan Freeman-Thomas, Captain F.
Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson Delany, William Fuller, J. M. F.
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles Furness, Sir Christopher
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Dobbie, Joseph Goddard, Daniel Ford
Grant, Corrie Lough, Thomas Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir E. (Berwick Lundon, W. Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)
Griffiths, Ellis J. MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Sheehy, David
Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill MacVeagh, Jeremiah Shipman, Dr. John G.
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton M'Crae, George Slack, John Bamford
Hain, Edward M'Kenna, Reginald Smith, Samuel (Flint)
Harcourt, Lewis V (Rossendale Markham, Arthur Basil Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Harmsworth, R. Leicester Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh, N Soares, Ernest J.
Harwood, George Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen Stanhope, Hon. Philip James
Hayden, John Patrick Morley, Charles (Breconshire) Stevenson, Francis S.
Helme, Norval Watson Moss, Samuel Strachey, Sir Edward
Hemphill, Rt. Hon. Charles H. Moulton, John Fletcher Sullivan, Donal
Henderson, Arthur (Durham Murphy, John Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Higham, John Sharpe Norman, Henry Tennant, Harold John
Hobhouse, C. E. H. (Bristol, E. Nussey, Thomas Willans Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)
Holland, Sir William Henry O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary Mid Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.
Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) O'Dowd, John Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr
Horniman, Frederick John O'Malley, William Tomkinson, James
Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk. O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Toulmin, George
Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) O'Shee, James John Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Jacoby, James Alfred Parrott, William Wallace, Robert
Johnson, John (Gateshead) Partington, Oswald Walton, John Lawson (Leeds, S
Joicey, Sir James Paulton, James Mellor Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
Jones, David Brynmor (Swansea Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Jones, William (Carnarvonshire Perks, Robert William Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney
Joyce, Michael Pirie, Duncan V. White, George (Norfolk)
Kearley, Hudson E. Power, Patrick Joseph White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Kemp, Lieut.-Colonel George Price, Robert John Whiteley, George (York, W R.
Kennedy, Vincent P. (Cavan, W Priestley, Arthur Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Kitson, Sir James Rea, Russell Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Lambert, George Reckitt, Harold James Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Langley, Batty Reid, Sir R. Threshie (Dumfries Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W.) Rickett, J. Compton Wilson, John (Falkirk)
Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh, N.
Layland-Barratt, Francis Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) Woodhouse, Sir J T (Huddersf'd
Leese, Sir Joseph F. (Accrington Robson, William Snowdon Yoxall, James Henry
Leigh, Sir Joseph Rose, Charles Day
Leng, Sir John Runciman, Walter TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr.
Levy, Maurice Russell, T. W. Herbert Gladstone and Mr.
Lewis, John Herbert Schwann, Charles E. William M-'Arthur.
Lloyd-George, David Shackleton, Daivd James
NOES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Davenport, William Bromley
Allhusen, Augustus Henry Eden Brotherton, Edward Allen Davies, Sir Horatio D (Chatham
Anson, Sir William Reynell Bull, William James Denny, Colonel
Arkwright, John Stanhope Burdett-Coutts, W. Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.)
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Burke, E. Haviland Dewar, Sir T. R. (Tower Haml'ts
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hon Sir H Butcher, John George Dickinson, Robert Edmond
Austin, Sir John Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin Univ. Dickson, Charles Scott
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Dimsdale, Rt. Hon. Sir Joseph C
Bailey, James (Walworth) Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire Dixon-Hartland, Sir Fred Dixon
Bain, Colonel James Robert Cayzer, Sir Charles William Doughty, Sir George
Balcarres, Lord Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers
Baldwin, Alfred Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Doxford, Sir William Theodore
Balfour, Rt Hon. A. J. (Manch'r Chamberlain, Rt Hn J A (Wore. Duke, Henry Edward
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) Chapman, Edward Dyke, Rt. Hon Sir William Hart
Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W (Leeds Charrington, Spencer Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Clancy, John Joseph Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Clare, Octavius Leigh Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J (Manc'r
Bartley, Sir George C. T. Clive, Captain Percy A. Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst
Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin Coates, Edward Feetham Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.
Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir Michael Hicks Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne
Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Colomb, Rt. Hon. Sir John C R Fisher, William Hayes
Bignold, Sir Arthur Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Fison, Frederick William
Bigwood, James Compton, Lord Alwyne FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose
Bill, Charles Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S. Fitzroy, Hon Edward Algernon
Bingham, Lord Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton Flannery, Sir Fortescue
Blundell, Colonel Henry Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile Flower, Sir Ernest
Bond, Edward Dalkeith, Earl of Forster, Henry William
Bousfield, William Robert Dalrymple, Sir Charles Foster, Philip S (Warwick S W.
Galloway, William Johnson Macdona, John Cumming Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye
Gardner, Ernest Maconochie, A. W. Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Garfit, William M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) Royds, Clement Molyneux
Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H. M'Iver, Sir Lewis (Edinburgh, W Rutherford, John (Lancashire)
Gordon, Hn. L E (Elgin & Nairn) M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire) Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)
Gordon, Maj Evans (T'r H'mlets M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford
Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby- Majendie, James A. H. Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Goschen, Hon. George Joachim Manners, Lord Cecil Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert
Goulding, Edward Alfred Martin, Richard Biddulph Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Graham, Henry Robert Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F. Seton-Karr, Sir Henry
Greene, Sir E W (B'ry S Edmnd's Maxwell, Rt. Hn. Sir H E (Wigt'n Sharpe, William Edward T.
Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury) Maxwell, W. J. H (Dumfriesshire Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Grenfell, William Henry Melville, Beresford Valentine Simeon, Sir Barrington
Gretton, John Mildmay, Francis Bingham Skewes-Cox, Thomas
Groves, James Grimble Milner, Rt Hon Sir Frederick G. Smith, Abel H (Hertford, East
Guthrie, Walter Murray Milvain, Thomas Smith, James Parker (Lanarks)
Hall, Edward Marshall Molesworth, Sir Lewis Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F. Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Spear, John Ward
Hardy, Laurence (Kent, Ashford Montagu, Hon. J. Scott (Hants) Spencer, Sir E (W Bromwich)
Hare, Thomas Leigh Moon, Edward Robert Pacy Stanley, Hon Arthur (Ormskirk
Harris, F. Leverton (Tynem'th) Morgan, David J (Walthamstow Stanley, Edward Jas (Somerset
Haslam, Sir Alfred S. Morpeth, Viscount Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Lanes.
Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo. Morrell, George Herbert Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart
Hay, Hon. Claude George Morrison, James Archibald Stock, James Henry
Heath, Arthur Howard (Hanley Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer Stone, Sir Benjamin
Heath, James (Staffords. N. W. Mount, William Arthur Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Heaton, John Henniker Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G (Oxf'd (Univ
Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W.) Muntz, Sir Philip A. Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. Murray, Rt Hn. A. Graham (Bute Thorburn, Sir Walter
Hickman, Sir Alfred Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) Thornton, Percy M.
Hoare, Sir Samuel Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath Tollemache, Henry James
Hogg, Lindsay Myers, William Henry Tomlinson, Sir Win. Edw. M.
Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside Newdegate, Francis A. N. Tuff, Charles
Houston, Robert Paterson Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway, N.) Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward
Howard, John (Kent, Faversham Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) Tully, Jasper
Hozier, Hon James Henry Cecil O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Valentia, Viscount
Hudson, George Bickersteth O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) Vincent, Col. Sir C E H (Sheffield
Hunt, Rowland Palmer, Walter (Salisbury) Walker, Col. William Hall
Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington Warde, Colonel C. E.
Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred. Percy, Earl Webb, Colonel William George
Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton Pierpoint, Robert Welby, Lt.-Col. A C E (Taunton
Kennaway, Rt Hon Sir John H. Pilkington, Colonel Richard Welby, Sir Charles G E (Notts)
Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T. (Denbigh) Piatt-Higgins, Frederick Wharton, Rt. Hon. JohnLloyd
Kerr, John Plummer, Sir Walter R. Whiteley, H. (Ashton und. Lyne
Knowles, Sir Lees Powell, Sir Francis Sharp Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Pretyman, Ernest George Willoughby, de Eresby, Lord
Lawrence, Win. F. (Liverpool) Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R.
Lawson, John Grant (Yorks. N R Pym, C. Guy Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Lee, Arthur H (Hants., Fareham Randles, John S. Wilson-Todd, Sir W. H. (Yorks.
Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Ratcliff, R. F. Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
Leveson-Gower, Fredrick N. S. Reid, James (Greenock) Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. Remnant, James Farquharson Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine Renwick, George Wylie, Alexander
Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham Richards, Henry Charles Wyndham, Rt. Hon George
Long, Rt. Hn Walter (Bristol, S. Ridley, Hon. M. W. (Stalybridge Young, Samuel
Lowe, Francis William Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Green Younger, William
Lowther, C. (Cumb, Eskdale) Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Loyd, Archie Kirkman Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) TELLERS FOE THE NOES—Sir
Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft Robinson, Brooke Alexander Acland-Hood and
Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred Rolleston, Sir John F. L. Mr. Ailwyn Fellowes.

Question, "That the Amendment be made," put, and agreed to.

And, it being after Eleven of the clock, the Chairman proceeded, in pursuance of the Order of the House of the 5th July, successively to put forthwith the Question on any Amendments moved by the Government of which notice had been given, and on every Question necessary to dispose of the allotted Business to be concluded on the 4th allotted Day.

Amendment proposed— In page 4, line 8, after the word 'committees,' to insert the words 'of quarter sessions and for the constitution of those committees where requisite as standing committees, and also for the addition to those committees in the case of a county, of representatives of the justices of any boroughs within the county not being county boroughs, but having a separate commission of the peace.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)

Amendment proposed— In page 4, line 10, to leave out from the word 'procedure,' to the word 'and,' in line 13, and insert the words "of quarter sessions on the consideration of the reports of justices

of a licensing district under this Act and on any hearing under this Act with reference to the refusal of the renewal of on-licences or the division of the amount to be paid as compensation.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)

Question put, "That the clause, as-amended, stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided—Ayes, 267:, Noes, 182. (Division List, No. 231.)

AYES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Dalrymple, Sir Charles Heath, James (Staffords. N. W.
Allhusen, Augustus Henry Eden Davenport, William Bromley Heaton, John Henniker
Anson, Sir William Reynell Davies, Sir Horatio D. (Chatham Henderson, Sir A (Stafford, W.)
Arkwright, John Stanhope Denny, Colonel Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T.
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.) Hickman, Sir Alfred
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt Hon Sir H. Dewar, Sir T R (Tower Hamlets Hoare, Sir Samuel
Austin, Sir John Dickinson, Robert Edmond Hogg, Lindsay
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy Dickson, Charles Scott Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside
Bailey, James (Walworth) Dimsdale, Rt. Hon. Sir Joseph C Houston, Robert Paterson
Bain, Colonel James Robert Dixon-Hartland, Sir Fred Dixon Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham)
Balcarres, Lord Doogan, P. C. Hozier, Hon. James Henry Cecil
Baldwin, Alfred Doughty, Sir George Hudson, George Bickersteth
Balfour, Rt. Hon A J (Manch'r Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers Hunt, Rowland
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) Doxford, Sir William Theodore Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse
Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W (Leeds Duke, Henry Edward Jeffreys, Rt. Hon Arthur Fred.
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Dyke, Rt Hon Sir William Hart Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton Kennaway, Rt. Hon Sir John H
Bartley, Sir George C. T. Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W) Kenyon, Hon Geo T. (Denbigh)
Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin Fergusson, Rt Hn Sir J. (Manc'r Kerr, John
Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir Michael Hicks Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. Keswick, William
Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne Knowles, Sir Lees
Bignold, Sir Arthur Fisher, William Hayes Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)
Bigwood, James Fison, Frederick William Lawrence, Win. F. (Liverpool)
Bill, Charles FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose- Lawson, John Grant (Yorks N R
Bingham, Lord Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon Lee, Arthur H (Hants., Fareh'm
Blundell, Colonel Henry Flannery, Sir Fortescue Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead)
Bond, Edward Flower, Sir Ernest Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage
Bousfield, William Robert Forster, Henry William Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S.
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Foster, Philip S (Warwick, S. W. Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.
Brotherton, Edward Allen Galloway, William Johnson Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine
Bull, William James Gardner, Ernest Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham
Burdett-Coutts, W. Garfit, William Long, Rt Hn Walter (Bristol, S.
Butcher, John George Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H. Lowe, Francis William
Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin Univ. Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin & Nairn) Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale)
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Gordon, Maj Evans- (T'r H'mlets Loyd, Archie Kirkman
Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby- Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft
Cayzer, Sir Charles William Goschen, Hon. George Joachim Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Goulding, Edward Alfred Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Graham, Henry Robert Macdona, John Cumming
Chamberlain, Rt Hn J A (Worc. Greene, Sir E W (B'ry S Edm'nds Maconochie, A. W.
Chapman, Edward Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury) M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)
Charrington, Spencer Grenfell, William Henry M'lver, Sir Lewis (Edinburgh W
Clancy, John Joseph Gretton, John M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)
Clare, Octavius Leigh Groves, James Grimble M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North)
Clive, Captain Percy A. Guthrie, Walter Murray Majendie, James A. H.
Coates, Edward Feetham Hall, Edward Marshall Manners, Lord Cecil
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F. Martin, Richard Biddulph
Colomb, Rt. Hon. Sir John CR Hardy, Laurence (Kent, Ashford Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F.
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Hare, Thomas Leigh Maxwell, Rt Hn Sir H E (Wigt'n)
Compton, Lord Alwyne Harris, F. Leverton (Tynem'th) Maxwell, W. J. H. (Dumfriesshir
Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S. Haslam, Sir Alfred S. Melville, Beresford Valentine
Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton) Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo. Mildmay, Francis Bingham
Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile Hay, Hon. Claude George Milner, Rt. Hon. Sir Frederick G.
Dalkeith, Earl of Heath, Arthur Howard (Hanley Milvain, Thomas
Molesworth, Sir Lewis Ratcliff, R. F. Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Reid, James (Greenock) Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G (Oxford Univ
Montagu, Hon. J. Scott (Hants.) Remnant, James Farquharson Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Moon, Edward Robert Pacy Renwick, George Thorburn, Sir Walter
Morgan, David J. (Walthamstow Richards, Henry Charles Thornton, Percy M.
Morpeth, Viscount Ridley, Hon. M. W. (Stalybridge Tollemache, Henry James
Morrell, George Herbert Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Green) Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Morrison, James Archibald Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) Tuff, Charles
Morton, Arthur H. Alymer Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward
Mount, William Arthur Robinson, Brooke Tully, Jasper
Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. Rolleston, Sir John F. L. Valentia, Viscount
Muntz, Sir Philip A. Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye Vincent, Col Sir C E H (Sheffield)
Murray, Rt Hn A Graham (Bute) Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert Walker, Col. William Hall
Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) Round, Rt. Hon. James Warde, Colonel C. E.
Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) Royds, Clement Molyneux Webb, Colonel William George
Myers, William Henry Rutherford, John (Lancashire) Welby, Lt.-Col. A. C. E. (Taunton
Newdegate, Francis A. N. Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) Welby, Sir Charles G. E. (Notts.)
Nicholson, William Graham Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd
Nolan, Col John P (Galway, N) Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander Whiteley, H. (Ashton-und-Lyne
Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert Whitmore, Charles Algernon
O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
O'Dowd, John Seton-Karr, Sir Henry Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R.)
Palmer, Walter (Salisbury) Sharpe, William Edward T. Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington Sheehan, Daniel Daniel Wilson-Todd, Sir W H (Yorks.)
Peel, Hn. Wm. Robert Wellesley Simeon, Sir Barrington Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
Percy, Earl Skewes-Cox, Thomas Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart
Pierpoint, Robert Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East) Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Pilkington, Colonel Richard Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.) Wylie, Alexander
Piatt-Higgins, Frederick Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand) Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Plummer, Sir Walter R. Spear, John Ward Young, Samuel
Powell, Sir Francis Sharpe Spencer, Sir E. (W. Bromwich) Younger, William
Pretyman, Ernest Geogre Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk
Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward Stanley, Edward Jas (Somerset) TELLERS FOB THE AYES.—Sir
Pym, C. Guy Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Lanes.) Alexander Acland-Hood and
Randles, John S. Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart Mr. Ailwyn Fellowes.
Rankin, Sir James Stock, James Henry
Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne Stone, Sir Benjamin
NOES.
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Cremer, William Randal Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir E. (Berwick)
Ainsworth, John Stirling Crombie, John William Griffith, Ellis J.
Allen, Charles P. Crooks, William Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill
Asher, Alexander Cullinan, J. Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton
Ashton, Thomas Gair Dalziel, James Henry Hain, Edward
Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herbert Henry Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen) Harcourt, Lewis V. (Rossendale
Atherley-Jones, L. Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan Harmsworth, R. Leicester
Barlow, John Emmott Delany, William Harwood, George
Barran, Rowland Hirst Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles Hayden, John Patrick
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Helme, Horval Watson
Beaumont, Wentworth C. B. Dobbie, Joseph Hemphill, Rt. Hon. Charles H.
Bell, Richard Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) Henderson, Arthur (Durham)
Benn, John Williams Duncan, J. Hastings Higham, John Sharpe
Black, Alexander William Edwards, Frank Hobhouse, C. E. H. (Bristol, E.)
Boland, John Elibank, Master of Holland, Sir William Henry
Bolton, Thomas Dolling Ellice, Capt E C (S Andrw's Bghs. Hope, John Deans (Fife, West
Brigg, John Ellis, John Edward (Notts.) Horniman, Frederick, John
Broadhurst, Henry Emmott, Alfred Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk.
Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson Evans, Sir Francis H (Maidstone Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) Jacoby, James Alfred
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Eve, Harry Trelawney Johnson, John (Gateshead)
Burt, Thomas Farquharson, Dr. Robert Joicey, Sir James
Buxton, Sydney Charles Fenwick, Charles Jones, David Brynmor (Swansea
Caldwell, James Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith) Jones, William (Carnarvonshire
Cameron, Robert Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond Joyce, Michael
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Flynn, James Christopher Kearley, Hudson E.
Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) Kemp, Lieut.-Colonel George
Cawley, Frederick Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry Kennedy, Vincent P. (Cavan, W
Channing, Francis Allston Freeman-Thomas, Captain F. Kitson, Sir James
Churchill, Winston Spencer Fuller, J. M. F. Lambert, George
Condon, Thomas Joseph Furness, Sir Christopher Langley, Batty
Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) Goddard, Daniel Ford Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W.)
Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark) Grant, Corrie Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)
Layland-Barrall, Francis Paulton, James Mellor Sullivan, Donal
Leese, Sir Joseph F (Accrington) Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Leigh, Sir Joseph Perks, Robert William Tennant, Harold John
Leng, Sir John Pirie, Duncan V. Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)
Levy, Maurice Power, Patrick Joseph Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.)
Lewis, John Herbert Price, Robert John Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr
Lloyd-George, David Priestley, Arthur Tomkinson, James
Lough, Thomas Rea, Russell Toulmin, George
Lundon, W. Reckitt, Harold James Trevelyan, Charles Philips.
Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. Reid, Sir R. Threshie (Dumfries) Wallace, Robert
MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Rickett, J. Compton Walton, John Lawson (Leeds, S.
MacVeagh, Jeremiah Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
M'Crae, George Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
M'Kenna, Reginald Robson, William Snowdon Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney
Markham, Arthur Basil Rose, Charles Day White, George (Norfolk)
Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh, N.) Runciman, Walter White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) Russell, T. W. Whiteley, George (York, W. R.
Morley, Charles (Breconshire) Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland) Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Moss, Samuel Schwann, Charles E. Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Moulton, John Fletcher Shackleton, David James Williams, Osmond (Merioneth).
Murphy, John Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Norman, Henry Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.) Wilson, John (Falkirk)
Nussey, Thomas Willans Shipman, Dr. John G. Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N.)
O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary Mid Slack, John Bamford Woodhouse, Sir J. T. (Huddersf'd
O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) Smith, Samuel (Flint) Yoxall, James Henry
O'Malley, William Soames, Arthur Wellesley
O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Soares, Ernest J. TELLERS FOK THE NOES—Mr.
Parrott, William Stanhope, Hon. Philip James Herbert Gladstone and Mr.
Partington, Oswald Stevenson, Francis S. William M'Arthur.

Question, "That the Amendment be made," put, and agreed to.

Clause 7:—

Amendment proposed— In page 4, line 20, after the word 'substitution,' to insert the words 'for quarter sessions.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)

Amendment proposed— In page 4, line 21, to leave out the words 'for quarter sessions."'—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)

Amendment proposed— In page 4, line 21, to leave out from the word 'sessions,' to the end of line 24."—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)

Question put, "That the clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 267; Noes, 178. (Division List No. 232.)

AYES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Bignold, Sir Arthur Clancy, John Joseph
Allhusen, Augustus Henry Eden Bigwood, James Clare, Octavius Leigh
Anson, Sir William Reynell Bill, Charles Clive, Captain Percy A.
Arkwright, John Stanhope Bingham, Lord Coates, Edward Feetham
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Blundell, Colonel Henry Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hon Sir H Bond, Edward Colomb, Rt. Hon. Sir John C. R.
Austin, Sir John Bousfield, William Robert Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole
Bagot, Capt. Joseline FitzRoy Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Compton, Lord Alwyne
Bailey, James (Walworth) Brotherton, Edward Allen Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.
Bain, Colonel James Robert Bull, William James Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton)
Balcarres, Lord Burdett-Coutts, W. Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile
Baldwin, Alfred Butcher, John George Dalkeith, Earl of
Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manch'r.) Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin Univ. Dalrymple, Sir Charles
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Davenport, W. Bromley
Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W. (Leeds) Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh. Davies, Sir Horatio D. (Chatham
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christen. Cayzer, Sir Charles William Denny, Colonel
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Dewar, Sir T. R. (Tower Hamlets
Bartley, Sir George C. T. Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Dickinson, Robert Edmond
Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin Chamberlain, Rt Hn J A (Worc.) Dickson, Charles Scott
Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir Michael Hicks Chapman, Edward Dimsdale, Rt. Hon. Sir Joseph C
Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Charrington, Spencer Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph
Dixon-Hartland, Sir Fred Dixon Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) Ridley, Hon. M. W. (Stalybridge
Doogan, P. C. Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Greene
Doughty, Sir Geogre Leveson-Gower, Frederick N.S. Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Doxford, Sir William Theodore Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine Robinson, Brooke
Duke, Henry Edward Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham Rolleston, Sir John F. L.
Dyke, Rt. Hon. Sir William Hart Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S.) Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye
Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton Lowe, Francis William Ropner, Colonel, Sir Robert
Faber, Edmund, B. (Hants, W.) Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale) Round, Rt. Hon. James
Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Mane' r Loyd, Archie Kirkman Royds, Clement Molyneux
Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft) Rutherford, John (Lancashire)
Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)
Fisher, William Hayes Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford
Fison, Frederick William Macdona, John dimming Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose Maconochie, A. W. Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert
Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Flannery, Sir Fortescue M'Iver, Sir Lewis (Edinburgh W Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln)
Flower, Sir Ernest M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire) Seton-Karr, Sir Henry
Forster, Henry William Majendie, James A. H. Sharpe, William Edward T.
Foster, Philip S. (Warwick S.W. Manners, Lord Cecil Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Galloway, William Johnson Martin, Richard Biddulph Simeon, Sir Barrington
Gardner, Ernest Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F. Skewes-Cox, Thomas
Garfit, William Maxwell Rt Hn Sir H. E. (Wigt'n Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)
Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H. Maxwell, W. J.H. (Dumfriessh'r Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.)
Gordon, Hn.J.E. (Elgin&Nairn) Melville, Beresford Valentine Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Gordon, Maj Evans (T'r H'mlets Mildmay, Francis Bingham Spear, John Ward
Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby Milner, Rt. Hn. Sir Frederick G. Spencer, Sir E. (W. Bromwich)
Goschen, Hon. George Joachim Milvain, Thomas Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk
Goulding, Edward Alfred Molesworth, Sir Lewis Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset)
Graham, Henry, Robert Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Lancs.)
Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Montagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants.) Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart
Greene, Sir E. W. (B'ry S Ed m'nds Moon, Edward Robert Pacy Stock, James Henry
Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury) Morgan, David J. (Walthamstow Stone, Sir Benjamin
Grenfell, William Henry Morpeth, Viscount Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Gretton, John Morrell, George Herbert Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Oxf'd Univ.
Groves, James Grimble Morrison, James Archibald Taylor. Austin (East Toxteth)
Guthrie, Walter Murray Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer Thorburn, Sir Walter
Hall, Edward Marshall Mount, William Arthur Thornton, Percy M.
Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F. Mowrbay, Sir Robert Gray C. Tollemache, Henry James
Hardy, Laurence (Kent, Ashford Muntz, Sir Philip A. Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Hare, Thomas Leigh Murray, Rt. Hn A Graham (Bute Tuff, Charles
Harris, F. Leverton (Tynem'th) Murray, Charles J (Coventry) Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward
Haslam, Sir Alfred S. Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) Tully, Jasper
Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo. Myers, William Henry Valentia, Viscount
Hay, Hon. Claude George Newdegate, Francis A. N. Vincent, Col. Sir CEH (Sheffield)
Heath, Arthur Howard (Hanley) Nicholson, William Graham Walker, Col. William Hall
Heath, James (Staffords, N. W.). Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway, N.) Warde, Colonel C. E.
Heaton, John Henniker Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) Webb, Colonel William George
Henderson, Sir A (Stafford, W.) O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Welby, Lt.-Col. A. C. E. (Taunton
Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) Welby, Sir Charles G. E. (Notts.
Hoare, Sir Samuel Palmer, Walter (Salisbury) Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd
Hogg, Lindsay Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington Whiteley, H. (Ashton und. Lyne
Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside Peel, Hn. Wm. Robert Wellesley Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Houston, Robert Paterson Percy, Earl Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Howard, John (Kent, Favershao Pier point, Robert Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R.)
Hozier, Hon. James Henry Cecil Pilkington, Colonel Richard Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Hudson, George Bickersteth Platt-Higgins, Frederick Wilson-Todd, Sir W. H. (Yorks.)
Hunt, Rowland Plummer, Sir Walter R. Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Powell, Sir Francis Sharp Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart
Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred. Pretyman, Ernest George Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward Wylie, Alexander
Kennaway, Rt. Hon. Sir John H. Pym, C. Guy Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T. (Denbigh) Randles, John S. Young, Samuel
Kerr, John Rankin, Sir James Younger, William
Keswick, William Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne
Knowles, Sir Lees Ratcliff, R. F. TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir
Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Reid, James (Greenock) Alexander Acland-Hood and
Lawrence, Win. F. (Liverpool) Remnant, James Farquharson Mr. Ailwyn Fellowes.
Lawson, John Grant (Yorks. N. R Renwick, George
Lee, Arthur H. (Hants, Fareham Richards, Henry Charles
NOES.
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Allen, Charles P. Ashton, Thomas Gair
Ainsworth, John Stirling Asher, Alexander Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herbert Henry
Atherley-Jones, L. Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill Partington, Oswald
Barlow, John Emmott Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton Paulton, James Mellor
Barran, Rowland Hirst Hain, Edward Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden)
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Harcourt, Lewis V. (Rossendale Perks, Robert William
Beaumont, Wentworth C. B. Harmsworth, R. Leicester Pirie, Duncan V.
Bell, Richard Harwood, George Power, Patrick Joseph
Benn, John Williams Hayden, John Patrick Price, Robert John
Black, Alexander William Helme, Norval Watson Priestley, Arthur
Boland, John Hemphill, Rt. Hon. Charles H. Rea, Russell
Bolton, Thomas Dolling Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Reckitt, Harold James
Brigg, John Higham, John Sharpe Rickett, J. Compton
Broadhurst, Henry Hobhouse, C. E. H. (Bristol, E. Roberts, J. Bryn (Eifion)
Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson Holland, Sir William Henry Roberts, John H. (Denbighs)
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) Robson, William Snowdon
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Horniman, Frederick John Rose, Charles Day
Burt, Thomas Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fred. Runciman, Walter
Buxton, Sydney Charles Hutton Alfred E. (Morley) Russell, T. W.
Caldwell, James Jacoby, James Alfred Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland
Cameron, Robert Johnson, John (Gateshead) Schwann, Charles E.
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Joicey, Sir James Shackleton, David James
Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. Jones, David Brynmor (Swansea Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Cawley, Frederick Jones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire) Shaw, Thomas (Hawick, B.)
Channing, Francis Allston Joyce, Michael Shipman, Dr. John G.
Churchill, Winston Spencer Kearley, Hudson E. Slack, John Bamford
Condon, Thomas Joseph Kemp, Lieut.-Col. George Smith, Samuel (Flint)
Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) Kennedy, Vincent P. (Cavan, W. Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark) Kitson, Sir James Soares, Ernest J.
Cremer, William Randal Lambert, George Stanhope, Hon. Philip James
Crombie, John William Langley, Batty Stevenson, Francis S.
Crooks, William Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.) Sullivan, Donal
Cullinan, J. Lawson, Sir. Wilfrid (Cornwall) Taylor, T. C. (Radcliffe)
Dalziel, James Henry Layland-Barratt, Francis Tennant, Harold John
Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen) Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington) Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)
Davies, M. (Vaughan- (Cardigan Leigh, Sir Joseph Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.)
Delany, William Leng, Sir John Thomas, D. Alfred (Merthyr)
Dobbie, Joseph Levy, Maurice Tomkinson, James
Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) Lewis, John Herbert Toulmin, George
Duncan, J. Hastings Lloyd-George, David Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Edwards, Frank Lough, Thomas Wallace, Robert
Elibank, Master of Lundon, W. Walton, J. Lawson (Leeds, S.)
Ellis, John Edward (Notts.) Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
Emmott, Alfred MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Evans, Sir Francis H. (Maidstone MacVeagh, Jeremiah Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney)
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) M'Crae, George White, George (Norfolk)
Eve, Harry Trelawney M'Kenna, Reginald White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Farquharson, Dr. Robert Markham, Arthur Basil Whiteley, G. (York, W.R.)
Fenwick, Charles Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh, N.) Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith) Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond Morley, C. (Breconshire) Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Flavin, Michael Joseph Moss, Samuel Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Flynn, James Christopher Moulton, John Fletcher Wilson, John (Falkirk)
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) Murphy, John Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh, N.)
Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry Norman, Henry Woodhouse, Sir J. T. (Hudd'd.
Freeman-Thomas, Captain F. Nussey, Thomas Willans Yoxall, James Henry
Furness, Sir Christopher O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary Mid
Goddard, Daniel Ford O'Malley, William TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.
Grant, Corrie O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Herbert Gladstone and Mr.
Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir E. (Berwick) O'Shee, James John William M'Arthur.
Griffiths, Ellis J. Parrott, William

Question, "That the Amendment be made," put, and agreed to.

Clause 8.

Amendment proposed— In page 4, line 29, at the end, to insert the words, ' (2) If the justices of a licensing district refuse to renew an on-licence on the ground that the holder of the licence has persistently and unreasonably refused to supply suitable refreshment (other than intoxicating liquor) or on the ground that the holder of the licence has failed to fulfil any reasonable undertaking given to the justices on the grant or previous renewal of the licence, the justices shall be deemed to have refused the licence on the ground that the premises have been ill-conducted.'"— (Mr. Solicitor-General.)

Amendment proposed— In page 4, line 40, after the word 'having,' to insert the words 'a separate commission of the peace and.'"— (Mr. Solicitor-General.)

Amendment proposed— In page 5, line 2, at the end, to insert the words, 'But where quarter sessions have customarily been held separately by adjournment or otherwise for any part of a county as defined by this Act, the Secretary of State may by order, on the application of quarter sessions for the whole county, constitute for the purposes of this Act any part of the county for which quarter sessions are for the time being so separately held a separate county, and the justices usually sitting at such separate quarter sessions a separate quarter sessions, and make all necessary provisions for the administration of the Act in such a case.' (Mr. Solicitor-General.)

Amendment proposed— In page 5, line 6, after the word 'accordingly,' to insert the words 'and the expression "existing on-licence" means an on-licence in force at the date of the passing of this Act, and includes a licence granted by way of renewal from time to time of a licence so in force, whether such licence continues to be held by the same person, or has been or may be transferred to any other person or persons.'"— (Mr. Solicitor-General.)

Question put, "That the Amendment be made."

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 265; Noes, 175. (Division List, No. 233.)

AYES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Groves, James Grimble
Allhusen, Augustus H. Eden Compton, Lord Alwyne Guthrie, Walter Murray
Anson, Sir William Reynell Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S. Hall, Edward Marshall
Arkwright, John Stanhope Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F.
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile Hardy, Laurence (Kent, Ashford
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hon Sir H. Dalkeith, Earl of Hare, Thomas Leigh
Austin, Sir John Dalrymple, Sir Charles Harris, F. Leverton (Tynem'th)
Bagot, Capt. Josceline Fitz Roy Davenport, W. Bromley Haslam, Sir Alfred S.
Bailey, James (Walworth) Davies, Sir Horatio D (Chatham Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo.
Bain, Colonel James Robert Denny Colonel Hay, Hon. Claude George
Balcarres, Lord Dewar, Sir T. R. (Tower Hamlets Heath, Arthur H. (Hanley)
Baldwin, Alfred Dickinson, Robert Edmond Heath, J. (Staffords., N.W.)
Balfour, Rt. Hn. A.J. (Manch'r) Dickson, Charles Scott Heaton, John Henniker
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Homsey) Dimsdale, Rt. Hon. Sir Joseph C. Henderson, Sir A. ( Stafford, W.)
Balfour, Rt. Hn. Gerald W (Leeds Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T.
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Dixon-Hartland, Sir Fred Dixon Hoare, Sir Samuel
Banbury, Sir Fred'k. George Doughty, Sir George Hogg, Lindsay
Bartley, Sir George C. T. Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers Hope, J.F. (Sheffield, Brightside
Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin Doxford, Sir William Theodore Houston, Robert Paterson
Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir Michael Hicks Duke, Henry Edward Howard, John ( Kent Faversham
Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Dyke, Rt. Hon. Sir Wm. Ha Hozier, Hn. J. Henry Cecil
Bignold, Sir Arthur Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton Hudson, George Bickersteth
Bigwood, James Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W. Hunt, Rowland
Bill, Charles Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r. Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse
Bingham, Lord Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred.
Blundell, Colonel Henry Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne Jessel, Capt. Herbert Merton
Bond, Edward Fisher, William Hayes Kennaway, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H.
Bousfield, William Robert Fison, Frederick William Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T. (Denbigh)
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Fitz Gerald, Sir Robert Penrose Kerr, John
Brotherton, Edward Allen Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon Keswick, William
Bull, William James Flannery, Sir Fortescue Knowles, Sir Lees
Burdett-Coutts, W. Flower, Sir Ernest Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)
Butcher, John George Forster, Henry William Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)
Campbell, J.H.M. (Dublin Univ. Foster, Philip S. (Warwick, S. W. Lawson, John Grant (Yorks, N. R
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Galloway, William Johnson Lee, Arthur H. (Hants, Fareham
Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbyshire Gardner, Ernest Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead)
Cayzer, Sir Charles William Garfit, William Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Gordon, Hn. J.E. (Elgin & Nairn Leveson-Gower, Fred'k. N.S.
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Gordon, Maj. Rvans-T' r H' mlets Lockwood, Lieut-Col. A. R.
Chamberlain, Rt Hn J.A. (Worc. Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby- Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine
Chapman, Edward Goschen, Hon. George Joachim Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham
Charrington, Spencer Goulding, Edward Alfred Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S)
Churchill, Winston Spencer Graham, Henry Robert Lowe, Francis William
Clancy, John Joseph Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Lowther, C. (Cumb. Eskdale)
Clare, Octavius Leigh Greene, Sir E. W. (B'ry S. Em'nds. Loyd, Archie Kirkman
Clive, Captain Percy A. Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury) Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft)
Coates, Edward Feetham Grenfell, William Henry Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H.A.E. Gretton, John Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred
Macdona, John Cumming Platt-Higgins, Frederick Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Lancs.)
Maconochie, A. W. Plummer, Sir Walter R. Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart
M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) Powell, Sir Francis Sharp Stock, James Henry
M'Iver, Sir Lewis (Edinburgh W. Pretyman, Ernest George Stone, Sir Benjamin
M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire) Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward Stroyan, John
Majendie, James A. H. Pym, C. Guy Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Manners, Lord Cecil Randles, John S. Talbot, Rt. Hn J.G. (Oxf'd Univ
Martin, Richard Biddulph Rankin, Sir James Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W.F. Rasch, Sir Frederick Carne Thorburn, Sir Walter
Maxwell, Rt Hn Sir H.E. (Wigt'n Ratcliff, R. F. Thornton, Percy M.
Maxwell, W.J.H. (Dumfriesshir Reid, James (Greenock) Tollemache, Henry, James
Melville, Beresford Valentine Remnant, James Farquharson Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Mildmay, Francis Bingham Renwick, George Tuff, Charles
Milner, Rt Hn. Sir Frederick G. Richards, Henry Charles Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward
Milvain, Thomas Ridley, Hon. M.W. (Stalybridge Tully, Jasper
Molesworth, Sir Lewis Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Green Valentia, Viscount
Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) Vincent, Col Sir C.E.H. (Sheffield
Montagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants.) Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) Walker, Col, William Hall
Moon, Edward Robert Pacy Robinson, Brooke Warde, Colonel C. E.
Morgan, David J. (Walthamstow Rolleston, Sir John F. L. Webb, Colonel William George
Morpeth, Viscount Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye Welby, Lt.-Col. A.C.E. (Taunton
Morrell, George Herbert Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert Welby, Sir Charles G.E. (Notts.
Morrison, James Archibald Round, Rt. Hon. James Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd
Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer Royds, Clement Molyneux Whiteley, H. (Ashton und Lyne
Mount, William Arthur Rutherford, John (Lancashire) Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Muntz, Sir Philip A. Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford Wilson, A. Stanley (York E.R.)
Murray, Rt. Hn. A. Graham (Bute Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert Wilson, J.W. (Worcestersh. N.)
Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) Wilson-Todd, Sir W.H. (Yorks.)
Myers, William Henry Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln) Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
Newdegate, Francis A. N. Seton-Karr, Sir Henry Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Nicholson, William Graham Sharpe, William Edward T. Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway, N.) Sheehan, Daniel Daniel Wylie, Alexander
Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) Skewes-Cox, Thomas Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East Young, Samuel
O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.) Younger, William
Palmer, Walter (Salisbury) Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Peel, Hn. Wm. Robert Wellesley Spear, John Ward TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir
Percy, Earl Spencer, Sir E. (W. Bromwich) Alexander Acland-Hood and
Pierpoint, Robert Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk Mr. Ailwyn Fellowes.
Pilkington, Colonel Richard Stanley, Edward J. (Somerset)
NOES.
Abraham, Wm. (Rhondda) Cawley, Frederick Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith)
Ainsworth, John Stirling Channing, Francis Allston Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond
Allen, Charles P. Condon, Thomas Joseph Flavin, Michael Joseph
Asher, Alexander Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)
Ashton, Thomas Gair Craig, Robert Hunter ( Lanark) Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry
Asquith, Rt Hn. Herbert Henry Cremer, William Randal Freeman-Thomas, Captain F.
Atherley-Jones, L. Crombie, John William Furness, Sir Christopher
Barlow, John Emmott Crooks, William Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herbert John
Barran, Rowland Hirst Cullinan, J. Goddard, Daniel Ford
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Dalziel, James Henry Grant, Corrie
Beaumont, Wentworth C. B. Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen) Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir E. (Berwick)
Bell, Richard Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan Griffith, Ellis J.
Benn, John Williams Delany, William Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill
Black, Alexander William Dobbie, Joseph Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton
Boland, John Doogan, P. C. Hain, Edward
Bolton, Thomas Dolling Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) Harcourt, Lewis V. (Rossendale
Brigg, John Duncan, J. Hastings Harmsworth, R. Leicester
Broadhurst, Henry Edwards, Frank Harwood, George
Brunner, Sir J. Tomlinson Elibank, Master of Hayden, John Patrick
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James Ellice, Capt, E.C (S. Andrw's Bghs Helme, Norval Watson
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Ellis, John Edward (Notts.) Henderson, Arthur (Durham)
Burns, John Emmott, Alfred Higham, John Sharpe
Burt, Thomas Evans, Sir F.H. (Maidstone Hobhouse, C.E.H. (Bristol, E.)
Caldwell, James Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) Holland, Sir William Henry
Cameron, Robert Eve, Harry Trelawney Hope, John Deans (Fife, West)
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Farquharson, Dr. Robert Horniman, Frederick John
Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. Fenwick, Charles Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk.
Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) Morley, Charles (Breconshire) Smith, Samuel (Flint)
Jacoby, James Alfred Moss, Samuel Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Johnson, John (Gateshead) Moulton, John Fletcher Soares, Ernest J.
Joicey, Sir James Murphy, John Stanhope, Hon Philip James
Jones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire Norman, Henry Stevenson, Francis, S.
Joyce, Michael Nussey, Thomas Willans Sullivan, Donal
Kearley, Hudson E. O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary Mid Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Kemp, Lieut.-Colonel George O'Dowd, John Tennant, Harold John
Kennedy, Vincent P. (Cavan, W. O'Malley, William Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)
Kitson, Sir James O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.)
Lambert, George O'Shee, James John Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr
Langley, Batty Parrott, William Tomkinson, James
Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.) Partington, Oswald Toulmin, George
Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) Paulton, James Mellor Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Layland-Barratt, Francis Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) Wallace, Robert
Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington Perks, Robert William Walton, John Lawson (Leeds, S.
Leigh, Sir Joseph Pirie, Duncan V. Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
Leng, Sir John Price, Robert John Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Levy, Maurice Prestley, Arthur Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney)
Lewis, John Herbert Rea, Russell White, George (Norfolk)
Lloyd-George, David Reckitt, Harold James White, Luke (York, E.R.)
Lough, Thomas Rickett, J. Compton Whiteley, George (York, W.R.
London, W. Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Robson, William Snowdon Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
MacVeagh, Jeremiah Rose, Charles Day Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
M'Arthur William (Cornwall) Russell, T. W. Wilson, John (Falkirk)
M'Crae, George Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland) Woodhouse, Sir J. T. (Hudd'd.
M' Hugh, Patrick A. Schwann, Charles E.
M'Kenna, Reginald Shackleton, David James TELLERS FOE THE NOES—Mr.
Markham, Arthur Basil Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) Runciman and Mr. Slack.
Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh, N.) Shaw, Thomas (Hawick, B.)
Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) Shipman, Dr. John G.

Question, "That the Amendment be made," put, and agreed to.

Question put, "That the clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 259; Noes, 164. (Division List, No. 234.)

AYES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton
Allhusen, Augustus Henry Eden Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbyshire Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.)
Anson, Sir William Reynell Cayzer, Sir Charles William Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r
Arkwright, John Stanhope Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn. Sir H. Chamberlain, Rt Hn. J. A (Worc. Fison, Frederick William
Austin, Sir John Chapman, Edward FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy Charrington, Spencer Fitzroy, Hn. Edward Algernon
Bailey, James (Walworth) Clare, Octavius Leigh Flannery, Sir Fortescue
Bain, Colonel James Robert Clive, Captain Percy A. Forster, Henry William
Balcarres, Lord Coates, Edward Feetham Foster, P. S. (Warwick, S.W.)
Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manch'r Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Galloway, William Johnson
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Gardner, Ernest
Balfour, Rt. Hon. G. W. (Leeds Compton, Lord Alwyne Garfit, William
Balfour, Kenneth, R. (Christch. Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin & Nairn)
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Cross, Herb, Shepherd (Bolton) Gordon, Maj. E. (T'r Hamlets)
Bartley, Sir George C. T. Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby-
Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin Dalrymple, Sir Charles Goschen, Hon. George Joachim
Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir Michael Hicks Davenport, William Bromley Goulding, Edward Alfred
Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Davies, Sir Horatio D. (Chatham Graham, Henry Robert
Bignold, Sir Arthur Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.) Gray, Ernest (West Ham)
Bigwood, James Dewar, Sir T.R. (Tower Hamlets Greene, Sir E.W (B'ry S Edm'nds
Bill, Charles Dickinson, Robert Edmond Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury)
Bingham, Lord Dickson, Charles Scott Grenfell, William Henry
Blundell, Colonel Henry Dimsdale, Rt. Hn. Sir Joseph C. Gretton, John
Bond, Edward Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Groves, James Grimble
Bousfield, William Robert Dixon-Hartland, Sir Fred Dixon Guthrie, Walter Murray
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Doogan, P. C. Hall, Edward Marshall
Brotherton, Edward Allen Doughty, Sir George Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F.
Bull, William James Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford)
Burdett-Courts, W. Doxford, Sir William Theodore Hare, Thomas Leigh
Butcher, John George Duke, Henry Edward Harris, F. Leverton (Tynem'th)
Campbell, J.H.M. (Dublin Univ. Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William Hart Haslam, Sir Alfred S.
Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo. Molesworth, Sir Lewis Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert
Hay, Hon. Claude George Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Heath, Arthur Howard (Hanley Moon, Edward Robert Pacy Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln)
Heath, James (Staffords., N.W. Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow) Seton-Karr, Sir Henry
Heaton, John Henniker Morpeth, Viscount Sharpe, William Edward T.
Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W. Morrell, George Herbert Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. Morrison, James Archibald Skewes-Cox, Thomas
Hoare, Sir Samuel Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)
Hogg, Lindsay Mount, William Arthur Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.)
Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Houston, Robert Paterson Muntz, Sir Philip A. Spear, John Ward
Howard, Jn. (Kent, Faversham Murray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute) Spencer, Sir E. (W. Bromwich)
Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) Stanley, Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk
Hudson, George Bickersteth Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset
Hunt, Rowland Myers, William Henry Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Lancs.)
Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Newdegate, Francis A. N. Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart
Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred. Nicholson, William Graham Stock, James Henry
Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton Nolan, Col. John. P. (Galway, N.) Stone, Sir Benjamin
Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H. Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) Stroyan, John
Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T. (Denbigh) O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Kerr, John O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Keswick, William Palmer, Walter (Salisbury) Thorburn, Sir Walter
Knowles, Sir Lees Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington Thornton, Percy M.
Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Peel, Hn. Wm. Robert Wellesley Tollemache, Henry James
Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool) Percy, Earl Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Lawson, J. Grant (Yorks., N.R. Pierpoint, Robert Tuff, Charles
Lee, A. H. (Hants., Farcham) Pilkington, Colonel Richard Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward
Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) Platt-Higgins, Frederick Tully, Jasper
Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Plummer, Sir Walter R. Valentia, Viscount
Leveson-Gower, Frederick N.S. Powell, Sir Francis Sharp Vincent, Col. Sir C.E.H (Sheffield
Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. Pretyman, Ernest George Walker, Col. William Hall
Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward Warde, Colonel C. E.
Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham) Pym, C. Guy Webb, Colonel William George
Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S.) Randles, John S. Welby, Lt.-Col. A.C.E (Taunton
Lowe, Francis William Rankin, Sir James Welby, Sir Charles G.E. (Notts.
Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale) Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd
Loyd, Archie Kirkman Ratcliff, R. F. Whiteley, H. (Ashton und Lyne
Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft) Reid, James (Greenock) Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth Remnant, James Farquharson Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred Renwick, George Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.
Macdona, John Gumming Richards, Henry Charles Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Maconochie, A. W. Ridley, Hon. M.W. (Stalybridge Wilson, J.W. (Worcestersh., N.)
M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Green Wilson-Todd, Sir W.H. (Yorks.)
M'Iver, Sir Lewis ( Edinburgh, W Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire) Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart
M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) Robinson, Brooke Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Majendie, James A. H. Rolleston, Sir John F. L. Wylie, Alexander
Martin, Richard Biddulph Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W.F. Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert Young, Samuel
Maxwell, Rt. Hn Sir H.E (Wigt'n Round, Rt. Hon. James Younger, William
Maxwell, W.J.H. (Dumfriessh. Royds, Clement Molyneux
Melville, Beresford Valentine Rutherford, John (Lancashire) TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir
Mildway, Francis Bingham Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) Alexander Acland-Hood and.
Milner, Rt. Hn. Sir Frederick G. Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford Mr. Ailwyn Fellowes.
Milvain, Thomas Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
NOES.
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Bolton, Thomas Dolling Churchill, Winston Spencer
Ainsworth, John Stirling Brigg, John Condon, Thomas Joseph
Allen, Charles P. Broadhurst, Henry Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow)
Asher, Alexander Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark)
Ashton, Thomas Gair Bryce, Rt. Hon. James Cremer, William Randal
Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herbert Henry Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Crombie, John William
Atherley-Jones, L. Burns, John Crooks, William
Barlow, John Emmott Burt, Thomas Cullinan, J.
Barran, Rowland Hirst Caldwell, James Dalziel, James Henry
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Cameron, Robert Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen)
Beaumont, Wentworth C. B. Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan)
Benn, John Williams Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. Delany, William
Black, Alexander William Cawley, Frederick Dobbie, Joseph
Boland, John Channing, Francis Allston Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)
Duncan, J. Hastings Kennedy, Vincent P.(Cavan,W. Robson, William Snowdon
Edwards, Frank Kitson, Sir James Rose, Charles Day
Elibank, Master of Lambert, George Runciman, Walter
Ellice,Capt E.C(SAndrw'sBghs Langley, Batty Russell, T. W.
Ellis, John Edward (Notts.) Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W.) Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland)
Emmott, Alfred Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) Schwann, Charles E.
Evans, Sir Francis H.(Maidstone Layland-Barratt, Francis Shackleton, David James
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) Leese, Sir Jos. F. (Accrington) Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Eve, Harry Trelawney Leigh, Sir Joseph Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)
Farquharson, Dr. Robert Leng, Sir John Shipman, Dr. John G.
Fenwick, Charles Levy, Maurice Slack, John Bamford
Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith) Lewis, John Herbert Smith, Samuel (Flint)
Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond Lloyd-George, David Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Flavin, Michael Joseph Lough, Thomas Soares, Ernest J.
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) Lundon, W. Stanhope, Hon. Philip James
Freeman-Thomas, Captain F. MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Stevenson, Francis S.
Fuller, J. M. F. MacVeagh, Jeremiah Sullivan, Donal
Goddard, Daniel Ford M'Crae, George Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Grant, Corrie M'Kenna, Reginald Tennant, Harold John
Grey, Rt.Hn. Sir E. (Berwick) Markham, Arthur Basil Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen,E.)
Griffith, Ellis J. Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh.N.) Thomas, Sir A.(Glamorgan,E.)
Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) Thomas, D. Alfred (Merthyr)
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton Morley, Charles (Breconshire) Tomkinson, James
Hain, Edward Moss, Samuel Toulmin, George
Harcourt, Lewis V.(Rossendale) Moulton, John Fletcher Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Harmsworth, R. Leicester Murphy, John Walton, Jn. Lawson (Leeds,S.)
Harwood, George Norman, Henry Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
Hayden, John Patrick Nussey, Thomas Willans Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Helme, Norval Watson O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid.) Wason, JohnCathcart( Orkney)
Henderson, Arthur (Durham) O'Malley, William White, George (Norfolk)
Higham, John Sharpe O'Shee, James John White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Hobhouse, C. E. H. (Bristol.E.) Partington, Oswald Whiteley, George (York, W.R.)
Holland, Sir William Henry Paulton, James Mellor Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Horniman, Frederick John Pirie, Duncan V. Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) Price, Robert John Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Jacoby, James Alfred Priestley, Arthur Wilson, John (Falkirk)
Johnson, John (Gateshead) Rea, Russell Woodhouse,Sir J.T(Huddersf'd
Joicey, Sir James Reckitt, Harold James
Jones, William(Carnarvonshire Rickett, J. Compton TELERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.
Joyce, Michael Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) Herbert Gladstone and Mr.
Kearley, Hudson E. Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) William M'Arthur.

Clause 9:—

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 280; Noes, 118. (Division List No.235)

AYES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Charrington, Spencer
Ainsworth, John Stirling Bignold, Sir Arthur Clare, Octavius Leigh
Allhusen,Augustus HenryEden Bigwood, James Clive, Captain Percy A.
Anson, Sir William Reynell Bill, Charles Coates, Edward Feetham
Arkwright, John Stanhope Bingham, Lord Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.
Asher, Alexander Blundell, Colonel Henry Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole
Asquith,Rt.Hn.Herbert Henry Bolton, Thomas Dolling Compton, Lord Alwyne
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Craig,Charles Curtis(Antrim,S.)
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt.Hn.Sir H. Brotherton, Edward Allen Crombie, John William
Austin, Sir John Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton)
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy Bull, William James Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile
Bailey, James (Walworth) Burdett-Coutts, W. Dalrymple, Sir Charles
Bain, Colonel James Robert Burt, Thomas Davenport, William Bromley
Balcarres, Lord Butcher, John George Davies,Sir HoratioD.(Chatham
Balfour, Rt.Hon. A. J.(Manch'r Caldwell, James Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.)
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) Campbell, J.H.M.(Dublin Univ. Dewar,Sir T.R.(Tower Hamlets
Balfour, Rt. Hon. G. W. (Leeds Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. Dickinson, Robert Edmond
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Dickson, Charles Scott
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Cavendish,V. C. W.(Derbyshire Dimsdale, Rt.Hn. Sir Joseph C.
Bartley, Sir George C. T. Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph
Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin Chamberlain,Rt Hn.J.A(Worc. Dixon-Hartland,Sir FredDixon
Beach,Rt.Hn.Sir Michael Hicks Chapman, Edward Doogan, P. C.
Doughty, Sir George Lee, A. H. (Hants., Fareham) Richards, Henry Charles
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) Ridley, Hon. M.W.(Staly bridge-
Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Ridley, S.Forde(Bethnal Green.
Doxford, Sir William Theodore Leng, Sir John Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Dyke, Rt. Hon.SirWilliamHart Leveson-Gower, Frederick N.S. Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton Lookwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. Robinson, Brooke
Elibank, Master of Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine Rolleston, Sir John F. L.
Ellis, John Edward (Notts.) Long, Col.CharlesW.(Evesham) Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye
Evans, SirFraneis H.(Maidstone Long, Rt.Hn.Walter(Bristol,S.) Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Faber, Edmund B. (Hants.,W.) Lough, Thomas Round, Rt. Hon. James
Farquharson, Dr. Robert Lowe, Francis William Royds, Clement Molyneux
Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith) Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale) Russell, T. W.
Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. Loyd, Archie Kirkman Rutherford, John (Lancashire)
Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft) Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)
Fison, Frederick William Lucas, Reginald J.(Portsmouth Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford
FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond Macdona, John Cumming Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Fitzroy, Hn. Edward Algernon Maconochie, A. W. Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln)
Flannery, Sir Fortescue M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) Seton-Karr, Sir Henry
Forster, Henry William M'Iver,Sir Lewis(Edinburgh,W Sharpe, William Edward T.
Foster, P. S. (Warwick, S.W.) M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire) Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)
Galloway, William Johnson M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Gardner, Ernest Majendie, James A. H. Skewes-Cox, Thomas
Garfit, William Martin, Richard Biddulph Smith, Abel H.(Hertford,East)
Gladstone, Rt.Hn. Herbert John Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F. Smith, James Parker(Lanarks.)
Gordon, Hn.J.E.(Elgin&Nairn) Maxwell.RtHn.Sir H.E(Wigt'n Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Gordon, Maj. E. (T'r Hamlets) Maxwell, W.J.H.(Dumfriessh.) Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby- Mildmay, Francis Bingham Spear, John Ward
Goschen, Hon. George Joachim Milner, Rt.Hn. Sir Frederick G. Spencer, Sir E. (W. Bromwich)
Goulding, Edward Alfred Milvain, Thomas Stanley, Hn. Arthur(Ormskirk)
Graham, Henry Robert Mitohell, Edw. (Fermanagh,N.) Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset
Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Molesworth, Sir Lewis Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord(Lancs.)
Greene, SirE.W(B'rySEdm'nds Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart
Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury) Moon, Edward Robert Pacy Stock, James Henry
Grenfell, William Henry Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow) Stone, Sir Benjamin
Gretton, John Morpeth, Viscount Stroyan, John
Gropes, James Grimble Morrell, George Herbert Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Guthrie, Walter Murray Morrison, James Archibald Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Hall, Edward Marshall Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer Tennant, Harold John
Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F. Mount, William Arthur Thorburn, Sir Walter
Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford) Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. Thornton, Percy M.
Hare, Thomas Leigh Muntz, Sir Philip A. Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Harmsworth, R. Leicester Murray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute) Tuff, Charles
Harris, F. Leverton (Tynem'th Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward
Harwood, George Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) Tully, Jasper
Haslam, Sir Alfred S. Myers, William Henry Valentia, Viscount
Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo. Newdegate, Francis A. N. Vincent.Col.Sir C.E.H(Sheffield
Hay, Hon. Claude George Nicholson, William Graham Walker, Col. William Hall
Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley Nolan, Col.John P.(Galway,N.) Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
Heath, James (Staffords., N.W. Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) Warde, Colonel C. E.
Heaton, John Henniker O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W.) O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) Wason, JohnCathcartf (Orkney)
Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. Palmer, Walter (Salisbury) Webb, Colonel William George
Hoare, Sir Samuel Pease, Herbert Pike(Darlington Welby, Lt.-Col.A.C.E(Taunton
Hogg, Lindsay Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) Welby, Sir Charles G.E.(Notts.
Hope, J.F.(Sheffield,Brightside Peel, Hn.Wm. RobertWellesley Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd
Houston, Robert Paterson Percy, Earl Whiteley, H.(Ashton und.Lyne
Howard, Jn.(Kent, Faversham Pierpoint, Robert Wilson, A.Stanley(York, E.R.)
Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil Pilkington, Colonel Richard Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Hudson, George Bickersteth Platt-Higgins, Frederick Wilson, J.W.(Worcestersh.,N.)
Hunt, Rowland Plummer, Sir Walter R. Wilson-Todd,SirW.H. (Yorks.)
Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Powell, Sir Francis Sharp Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred. Pretyman, Ernest George Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart
Kearley, Hudson E. Price, Robert John Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Kennaway, Rt.Hn.Sir John H. Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward Wylie, Alexander
Kennedy, VincentP.(Cavan,W. Pym, C. Guy Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T.(Denbigh) Randies, John S. Young, Samuel
Kerr, John Rankin, Sir James Younger, William
Keswick, William Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne
Knowles, Sir Lees Ratcliff, R. F. TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir
Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Reid, James (Greenock) Alexander Acland-Hood and
Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool) Remnant, James Farquharson Mr. Ailwyn Fellowes.
Lawson, J. Grant( Yorks., N.R. Renwick, George
NOES.
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Griffith, Ellis J. Partington, Oswald
Allen, Charles P. Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill Paulton, James Mellor
Ashton, Thomas Gair Hain, Edward Pirie, Duncan V.
Atherley-Jones, L. Harcourt, Lewis V.(Rossendale Priestley, Arthur
Barlow, John Emmott Hayden, John Patrick Rea, Russell
Barran, Rowland Hirst Helme, Norval Watson Reckitt, Harold James
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Rickett, J. Compton
Beaumont, Wentworth C. B. Higham, John Sharpe Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
Benn, John Williams Hobhouse, C.E.H (Bristol, E.) Robson, William Snowdon
Black, Alexander William Horniman, Frederick John Rose, Charles Day
Boland, John Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) Runciman, Walter
Brigg, John Johnson, John (Gateshead) Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland)
Broadhurst, Henry Joicey, Sir James Schwann, Charles E.
Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson Jones, William(Carnarvonshire Shackleton, David James
Burns, John Joyce, Michael Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Cameron, Robert Kitson, Sir James Shipman, Dr. John G.
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Lambert, George Slack, John Bamford
Cawley, Frederick Langley, Batty Soares, Ernest J.
Channing, Francis Allston Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal,W.) Stanhope, Hon. Philip James
Condon, Thomas Joseph Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) Stevenson, Francis S.
Craig, Robert Hunter(Lanark) Layland-Barratt, Francis Sullivan, Donal
Cremer, William Randal Leese, Sir Jos. F. (Accrington) Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Crooks, William Leigh, Sir Joseph Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen.E.)
Cullinan, J. Levy, Maurice Thomas, Sir A.(Glamorgan, E.)
Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen) Lewis, John Herbert Thomas, D. Alfred (Merthyr)
Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan) Lundon, W. Tomkinson, James
Delany, William MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Toulmin, George
Dobbie, Joseph MacVeagh, Jeremiah Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Duncan, J. Hastings M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) White, George (Norfolk)
Edwards, Frank M'Crae, George White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Ellice,Capt E.C(SAndrw'sBghs Markham, Arthur Basil Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Emmott, Alfred Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) Morley, Charles (Breconshire) Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Eve, Harry Trelawney Moss, Samuel Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Fenwick, Charles Moulton, John Fletcher Wilson, John (Falkirk)
Flavin, Michael Joseph Murphy, John Woodhouse,Sir J.T(Huddersf'd
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co,) Norman, Henry
Freeman-Thomas, Captain F. Nussey, Thomas Willans TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.
Goddard, Daniel Ford O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid.) M'Kenna and Mr. Herbert
Grant, Corrie O'Malley, William Roberts.
Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir E.(Berwick) O'Shee, James John

Question put, "That the clause stand part of the Bill."

Schedle:—

Amendment proposed— In page 6, line 24, at end, to add the words' and in the case of any licensed premises which are certified by the justices of the licensing district on the application of the holder of the licence to be used only as public gardens, picture galleries, exhibitions, places of public or private entertainment, railway refreshment rooms, bonâ fide restaurants or eating houses, or for any other purposes to which the holding of any other purposes to which the holding of a licence is merely auxiliary, such rate, not less than one-third of

that charged in other cases, as the justices think proper under the circumstances.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)

Question put, "That this schedule, as amended, be the first schedule of the Bill"

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 233; Noes, 142. (Division List, No.236)

AYES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Balcarres, Lord Bigwood, James
Allhusen,Augustus HenryEden Balfour, Rt.Hon. A.J.(Manch'r Bill, Charles
Anson, Sir William Reynell Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) Bingham, Lord
Arkwright, John Stanhope Balfour, Rt. Hon. G. W. (Leeds Blundell, Colonel Henry
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt.Hn.Sir H. Banbury, Sir Frederick George Brotherton, Edward Allen
Austin, Sir John Bartley, Sir George C. T. Burdett-Coutts, W.
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin Butcher, John George
Bailey, James (Walworth) Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Campbell, J.H.M.(Dublin Univ.
Bain, Colonel James Robert Bignold, Sir Arthur Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.
Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbyshire Hudson, George Bickersteth Pretyman, Ernest George
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Hunt, Rowland Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
Chamberlain.RtHn.J.A (Wore. Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Pym, C. Guy
Chapman, Edward Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred. Randles, John S.
Charrington, Spencer Kennaway, Rt. Hn.Sir John H. Rankin, Sir James
Clare, Octavius Leigh Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T. (Denbigh) Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne
Clive, Captain Percy A. Kerr, John Ratcliff, R. F.
Coates, Edward Feetham Keswick, William Reid, James (Greenock)
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Knowles, Sir Lees Remnant, James Farquharson
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Richards, Henry Charles
Compton, Lord Alwyne Lawson, J. Grant (Yorks., N.R. Ridley, Hon. M.W.(Stalybridge
Craig, Charles Curtis(AntrimS.) Lee, A. H. (Hants., Fareham) Ridley, S.Forde(Bethnal Green
Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton) Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Dalrymple, Sir Charles Leveson-Gower, Frederick N.S. Robinson, Brooke
Davenport, William Bromley Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. Rolleston, Sir John F, L.
Davies, SirHoratioD.(Chatham Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye
Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.) Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham) Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Dickinson, Robert Edmond Long, Rt.Hn.Walter(Bristol,S.) Round, Rt. Hon. James
Dickson, Charles Scott Lowe, Francis William Royds, Clement Molyneux
Dimsdale, Rt.Hn. Sir Joseph C. Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale) Rutherford, John (Lancashire)
Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Loyd, Archie Kirkman Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)
Dixon-Hartland,Sir FredDixon Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft) Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford
Doogan, P. C. Lucas, Reginald J.(Portsmouth Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Doughty, Sir George Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers Macdona, John dimming Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln)
Doxford, Sir William Theodore Maconochie, A. W. Seton-Karr, Sir Henry
Dyke, Rt.Hn.Sir William Hart M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) Sharpe, William Edward T,
Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton M'Iver,Sir Lewis(Edinburgh,W Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.) M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire) Skewes-Cox, Thomas
Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) Smith, Abel H.(Hertford,East)
Fison, Frederick William Majendie, James A. H. Smith, James Parker(Lanarks.)
FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose- Martin, Richard Biddulph Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Fitzroy, Hn. Edward Algernon Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F. Spear, John Ward
Flannery, Sir Fortescue Maxwell,RtHn.SirH.E.(Wigt'n Stanley,Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk)
Forster, Henry William Maxwell, W.J.H. (Dumfriessh.) Stanley, Edward Jas.(Somerset
Foster, P. S. (Warwick, S.W.) Mildmay, Francis Bingham Stanley, Rt. Hon.Lord(Lancs.)
Galloway, William Johnson Milner, Rt.Hn. Sir Frederick G. Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart
Gardner Ernest Milvain, Thomas Stock, James Henry
Garfit, William Molesworth, Sir Lewis Stroyan, John
Gordon,Hn. J.E.(Elgin&Nairn) Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Gordon,Maj. Evans-T'rHamlets Moon, Edward Robert Pacy Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Gore, Hon. S.F.Ormsby Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow) Thorburn, Sir Walter
Goschen, Hon. George Joachim Morpeth, Viscount Thornton, Percy M.
Goulding, Edward Alfred Morrell, George Herbert Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Graham, Henry Robert Morrison, James Archibald Tuff, Charles
Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward
Greene,Sir E.W(B'rySEdm'nds Mount, William Arthur Tully, Jasper
Greene, Henry D.(Shrewsbury) Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. Valentia, Viscount
Grenfell, William Henry Muntz, Sir Philip A. Walker, Col. William Hall
Gretton, John Murray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute) Warde, Colonel C. E.
Groves, James Grimble Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) Webb, Colonel William George
Guthrie, Walter Murray Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) Welby,Lt.-Col.A.C.E.(Taunton
Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F. Myers, William Henry Welby, Sir Charles G.E.(Notts.)
Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford) Newdegate, Francis A. N. Whiteley, H.(Ashton und.Lyne
Hare, Thomas Leigh Nicholson, William Graham Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.
Harris, F. Leverton (Tynem'th Nolan, Col.John P.(Galway,N.) Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Haslam, Sir Alfred S. Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) Wilson-Todd, Sir W.H.(Yorks.)
Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo. O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
Hay, Hon. Claude George O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley Palmer, Walter (Salisbury) Wylie, Alexander
Heath, James (Staffords., N.W. Pease, HerbertPike(Darlington Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Heaton, John Henniker Peel, Hn.Wm.RobertWellesley Young, Samuel
Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. Percy, Earl Younger, William
Hoare, Sir Samuel Pierpoint, Robert
Hogg, Lindsay Pilkington, Colonel Richard TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir
Hope, J.F.(Sheffield,Brightside Platt-Higgins, Frederick Alexander Acland-Hood and
Howard, Jn.(Kent, Faversham Plummer, Sir Walter R. Mr. Ailwyn Fellowes.
Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil Powell, Sir Francis Sharp
NOES.
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Allen, Charles P. Ashton, Thomas Gair
Ainsworth, John Stirling Asher, Alexander Asquith,Rt.Hn,Herbert Henry
Barlow, John Emmott Griffith, Ellis J. Paulton, James Mellor
Barran, Rowland Hirst Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden)
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton Pirie, Duncan V.
Beaumont, Wentworth C. B. Hain, Edward Priestley, Arthur
Benn, John Williams Harcourt, Lewis V.(Rossendale Rea, Russell
Black, Alexander William Harmsworth, R. Leicester Reckitt, Harold James
Boland, John Harwood, George Rickett, J. Compton
Bolton, Thomas Dolling Hayden, John Patrick Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
Brigg, John Helme, Norval Watson Rose, Charles Day
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Runciman, Walter
Burns, John Higham, John Sharpe Russell, T. W.
Caldwell, James Hobhouse, C. E. H. (Bristol,E.) Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland)
Cameron, Robert Horniman, Frederick John Shackleton, David James
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Cawley, Frederick Johnson, John (Gateshead) Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)
Channing, Francis Allston Joicey, Sir James Shipman, Dr. John G.
Condon, Thomas Joseph Jones, William( Carnarvonshire Slack, John Bamford
Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) Joyce, Michael Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark) Kearley, Hudson E. Soares, Ernest J.
Cremer, William Randal Kennedy,Vincent P.(Cavan,W. Stanhope, Hon. Philip James
Crombie, John William Kitson, Sir James Sullivan, Donal
Crooks, William Lambert, George Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Cullinan, J. Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal,W.) Tennant, Harold John
Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen) Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen,E.)
Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan) Layland-Barratt, Francis Thomas, Sir A.(Glamorgan,E.)
Delany, William Leese, Sir Jos. F. (Accrington) Thomas, D. Alfred (Merthyr)
Dobbie, Joseph Leigh, Sir Joseph Tomkinson, James
Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) Leng, Sir John Toulmin, George
Duncan, J. Hastings Levy, Maurice Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
Edwards, Frank Lewis, John Herbert Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Elibank, Master of Lough, Thomas Wason,John Cathcart (Orkney)
Ellice,CaptE.C.(SAndrw'sBghs Lundon, W. White, George (Norfolk)
Ellis, John Edward (Notts.) MacVeagh, Jeremiah White, Luke (York, E.R.)
Emmott, Alfred M'Crae, George Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Evans, Sir Fran. H. (Maidstone M'Kenna, Reginald Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) Markham, Arthur Basil Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Eve, Harry Trelawney Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh.N.) Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R.)
Farquharson, Dr. Robert Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Fenwick, Charles Morley, Charles (Breconshire) Wilson, John (Falkirk).
Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith) Moss, Samuel Wilson, J.W.(Worcestersh.,N.)
Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond Moulton, John Fletcher Woodhouse.Sir J.T(Huddersf' d
Flavin, Michael Joseph Murphy, John
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) Nussey, Thomas Willans TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.
Freeman-Thomas, Captain F. O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid.) Herbert Gladstone and Mr.
Goddard, Daniel Ford O'Malley, William William M'Arthur.
Grant, Corrie O'Shee, James John
Grey, Rt.Hn. Sir E. (Berwick) Partington, Oswald

Question, "That this schedule be added to the Bill," put, and agreed to.

New Schedule (Scale of Deductions):— (Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)

Motion made, and Question put, "That the Chairman do report the Bill, as amended, to the House."

The Committee divided:— Ayes, 211; Noes, 117 (Division List No.237.)

AYES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Balfour, Rt. Hon. G. W. (Leeds Campbell, J.H.M.(Dublin Univ.
Allbusen,Augustus Henry Eden Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.
Anson, Sir William Reynell Banbury, Sir Frederick George Cavendish, V.C.W.(Derbyshire
Arkwright, John Stanhope Bartley, Sir George C. T. Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin Chamberlain,Rt.Hn.J.A (Wore.
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt.Hn.Sir H. Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Chapman, Edward
Austin, Sir John Bignold, Sir Arthur Charrington, Spencer
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy Bigwood, James Clancy, John Joseph
Bailey, James (Walworth) Bingham, Lord Clare, Octavius Leigh
Bain, Colonel James Robert Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Clive, Captain Percy A.
Balcarres, Lord Brotherton, Edward Allen Coates, Edward Feetham
Balfour, Rt.Hon. A.J.(Manch'r Burdett-Coutts, W. Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) Butcher, John George Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole
Compton, Lord Alwyne Kenyon, Hn. Geo T.(Denbigh) Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
Craig,Charles Curtis (Antrim,S.) Kerr, John Rankin, Sir James
Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Boltou) Keswick, William Randles, John S.
Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile Knowles, Sir Lees Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne
Dalrymple, Sir Charles Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Ratcliff, R. F.
Davenport, William Bromley Lawson, J. Grant (Yorks., N.R. Reid, James (Greenock)
Davies, SirHoratioD.(Chatham Lee, A. H. (Hants., Fareham) Remnant, James Farquharson
Dickinson, Robert Edmond Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) Richards, Henry Charles
Dickson, Charles Scott Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Ridley, Hon. M.W.(Stalybridge
Dimsdale, Rt.Hn. Sir Joseph C. Leveson-Gower, Frederick N.S. Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Dixon-Hartland,Sir FredDixon Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye
Doogan, P. C. Long, Col.CharlesW.(Evesham) Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Doughty, Sir George Long, Rt.Hn. Walter(Bristol,S.) Round, Rt. Hon. James
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers Lowe, Francis William Rutherford, John (Lancashire)
Doxford, Sir William Theodore Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale) Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)
Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton Loyd, Archie Kirkman Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford
Faber, Edmund B. (Hants.,W.) Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft) Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne Lucas, Reginald J.(Portsmouth Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Fison, Frederick William Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln)
FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose Macdona, John Cumming Seton-Karr, Sir Henry
Fitzroy,Hon. Edward Algernon Maconochie, A. W. Sharpe, William Edward T.
Forster, Henry William M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Foster, P. S. (Warwick, S.W.) M'Iver,Sir Lewis(Edinburgh.W Skewes-Cox, Thomas
Calloway, William Johnson M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire) Smith, Abel H.(Hertford,East)
Gardner, Ernest Majendie, James A. H. Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Garfit, William Martin, Richard Biddulph Spear, John Ward
Gordon, Hn.J.E.(Elgin&Nairn) Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F. Spencer, Sir E. (W. Bromwich)
Gordon,Maj.Evans(T'rHamlets Maxwell,RtHn. SirH. E. (Wigt'n Stanley, Hn. Arthur(Ormskirk)
Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby Maxwell, W. J.H.(Dumfriessh.) Stanley, Edward Jas.(Somerset
Goschen, Hon. George Joachim Mildmay, Francis Bingham Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord(Lancs.)
Goulding, Edward Alfred Milner, Rt.Hon.Sir FrederickG. Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart
Graham, Henry Robert Milvain, Thomas Stock, James Henry
Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Molesworth, Sir Lewis Stroyan, John
Greene,SirE. W. (B'rySEdm'nds Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Greene, Henry D.(Shrewsbury) Moon, Edward Robert Pacy Thorburn, Sir Walter
Grenfell, William Henry Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow) Thornton, Percy M.
Gretton, John Morpeth, Viscount Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Groves, James Grimble Morrell, George Herbert Tuff, Charles
Guthrie, Walter Murray Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward
Hare, Thomas Leigh Mount, William Arthur Tully, Jasper
Harris, F. Leverton(Tynem'th) Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. Valentia, Viscount
Haslam, Sir Alfred S. Muntz, Sir Philip A. Walker, Col. William Hall
Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo. Murray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute) Warde, Colonel C. E.
Hay, Hon. Claude George Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) Webb, Colonel William George
Hayden, John Patrick Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) Welby, Sir Charles G.E.(Notts.
Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley Myers, William Henry Whiteley, H.(Ashton und.Lyne
Heath, James (Staffords., N.W. Nicholson, William Graham Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.
Heaton, John Henniker Nolan, Col.John P.(Galway,N.) Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
Hoare, Sir Samuel O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Hogg, Lindsay O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Hope, J. F. (Sheffield,Britside Pease,Herbert Pike(Darlington Young, Samuel
Howard, Jn.(Kent, Faversham Percy, Earl
Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil Pierpoint, Robert TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir
Hunt, Rowland Platt-Higgins, Frederick Alexander Acland-Hood and
Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Plummer, Sir Walter R. Mr. Ailwyn Fellowes.
Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred. Powell, Sir Francis Sharp
Kennaway, Rt.Hn.Sir John H. Pretyman, Ernest George
NOES.
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Bolton, Thomas Dolling Cremer, William Randal
Ainsworth, John Stirling Brigg, John Cullinan, J.
Allen, Charles P. Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen)
Asher, Alexander Burns, John Delany, William
Barlow, John Emmott Caldwell, James Dobbie, Joseph
Barran, Rowland Hirst Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Cawley, Frederick Duncan, J. Hastings
Benn, John Williams Channing, Francis Allston Edwards, Frask
Black, Alexander William Condon, Thomas Joseph Elibank, Master of
Boland, John Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark) Ellice,Capt.E. C(SAndrw'sBghs
Evans, Sir Fran. H.(Maidstone) Leng, Sir John Shackleton, David James
Evans, Samuel T.(Glamorgan) Levy, Maurice Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Eve, Harry Trelawney Lewis, John Herbet Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)
Farquharson, Dr. Robert Lough, Thomas Shipman, Dr. John G.
Fenwick, Charles Lundon, W. Slack, John Bamford
Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith) MacVeagh, Jeremiah Soares, Ernest J.
Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) Stanhope, Hon. Philip James
Flavin, Michael Joseph M'Crae, George Sullivan, Donal
Gladstone,Rt.Hn.Herbet John Markham, Arthur Basil Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Goddard, Daniel Ford Mitchell, Edw.(Fermanagh,N.) Thomas, Sir A.(Glamorgan,E.)
Griffith, Ellis J. Morgan,J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) Thomas, D. Alfred (Merthyr)
Hain, Edward Morley, Charles (Breconshire) Tomkinson, James
Harcourt, Lewis V.(Rossendale Moss, Samuel Joulmin, George
Harmsworth, R. Leicester Murphy, John Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
Harwood, George Norman, Henry Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Helme, Norval Watson Nussey, Thomas Willans Wason,John Cathcart (Orkney)
Henderson, Arthur (Durham) O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid.) White, George (Norfolk)
Higham, John Sharpe O'Malley, William White, Luke (York, E.R.)
Horniman, Frederick John O'Shee, James John Whitely, J. H. (Halifax)
Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) Partington, Oswald Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Johnson, John (Gateshead) Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Joicey, Sir James Pirie, Duncan V. Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R.)
Jones, William (Carnarvonshire Priestley, Arthur Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Joyce, Michael Rea, Russell Wilson, J.W.(Worcestersh.,N.)
Kennedy, Vincent P.(Cavan,W. Reckitt, Harold James Woodhouse,Sir J.T(Huddersf'd
Kitson, Sir James Rickett, J. Compton
Lambert, George Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.
Law, Hung Alex. (Donegal, W. Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) John Ellis and Mr. Corrie
Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) Runciman, Walter Grant.
Layland-Barratt, Francis Russell, T. W.
Leigh, Sir Joseph Samuel, Sir HarryS.(Limehouse

Bill reported; as amended, to be considered upon Monday next, and to be printed. [Bill 271.]

And, it being One of the clock, Mr. Speaker adjourned the Houses, pursuant to the Standing Order, without Question put.

Adjourned at One o'clock.