HC Deb 19 April 1904 vol 133 cc655-65

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the duties of Customs payable under section one of The Finance Act, 1898, on manufactured tobacco shall, on and after the twentieth day of April, nineteen hundred and four, be increased, in the case of cigars, by six pence per pound, and in the case of cigarettes by one shilling per pound, and the duties payable under the same section on un-manufactured tobacco shall, on and after the same date, be increased, in the case of stripped tobacco, by three pence per per pound":—(Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer.)

MR. BROADHURST (Leicester)

asked whether he would be in order to move the omission of that part of the Resolution which referred only to the increased tax on unmanufactured tobacco, not touching that part referring to cigars and cigarettes.

THE CHAIRMAN

said it was quite open to I he hon. Member to do so.

Amendment proposed— In line 5, to leave out from the word 'pound' to the end of the proposed Resolution."(Mr Broudhurst.)

Question put, "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the proposed Resolution."

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 228; Noes, 135. (Division List No. 86.)

AYES.
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel Give, Captain Percy A. Flannery, Sir Fortescue
Anson, Sir William Reynell Coates, Edward Feetham Forster, Henry William
Arkwright, John Stanhope Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Fyler, John Arthur
Arnold-Forster, Rt. Hn. Hugh O Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse Galloway, William Johnson
Arrol, Sir William Colomb, Rt. Hn. Sir John C.R. Gardner, Ernest
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Garfit, William
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn. Sir H. Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk.
Bailey, James (Walworth) Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin & Nairn)
Bain, Colonel James Robert Craig, Chas. Curtis (Antrim, S.) Gore, Hn G. R. Cormsby-(Salop.
Baird, John George Alexander Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) Goschen, Hon. George Joachim
Balcarres, Lord Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton) Goulding, Edward Alfred
Balfour, Rt. Hn. A.J.(Manch'r Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile Graham, Henry Robert
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) Cust, Henry John C. Gray, Ernest (West Ham)
Balfour, Rt. Hon. G. W. (Leeds Dalrymple, Sir Charles Greene, Henry D.(Shrewsbury)
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christen. Davenport, William Bromley Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.)
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham) Grenfell, William Henry
Bartley, Sir George C. T. Denny, Colonel Gretton, John
Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin Dickinson, Robert Edmond Greville, Hon. Ronald
Beach, Rt. Hon. Sir Mich. Hicks Dickson, Charles Scott Groves, James Grimble
Beckitt, Ernest William Digby, John K. D. Wingfield- Hambro, Charles Eric
Bignold, Arthur Dimsdale, Rt.Hn.Sir Joseph C. Hamilton, Rt Hn. Lord G (Midd'x
Bigwood, James Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Hamilton, Marq of (L'nd'nderry
Blundell, Colonel Henry Dixon-Hartland, Sir F. Dixon Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford)
Bond, Edward Dorington, Rt. Hn. Sir John E. Hare, Thomas Leigh
Boscawen, Arthur Griffith Doughty, George Harris, F. Leverton (Tynem'th)
Bousfield, William Robert Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers Haslam, Sir Alfred S.
Bowles, Lt.-Col. H. F (Middlesex Doxford, Sir William Theodore Hay, Hon. Claude George
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Duke, Henry Edward Heath, A. Howard (Hanley)
Brotherton, Edward Allen Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin Heath, James (Staffords., N.W.
Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropsh.) Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William Hart Heaton, John Henniker
Bull, William James Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton Helder, Augustus
Burdett-Coutts, W. Elliot, Hon. A. Ralph Douglas Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W.
Butcher, John George Faber, George Denison (York) Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T.
Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin Univ Fardell, Sir T. George Hickman, Sir Alfred
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r Hoare, Sir Samuel
Cautley, Henry Strother Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst Hope, J.F. (Sheffield, Brightside
Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. Hoult, Joseph
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne Houston, Robert Paterson
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Firbank, Sir Joseph Thomas Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm. Fisher, William Hayes Hutton, John (Yorks., N. R.)
Chamberlain, Rt Hn. J. A (Worc. FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse
Chapman, Edward Fitzroy, Hn. Edward Algernon Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred.
Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton Mount, William Arthur Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East
Johnstone, Hey wood (Sussex) Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. Smith, HC (North'mb. Tyneside
Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H. Muntz, Sir Philip A. Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.
Keswick, William Murray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute) Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Kimber, Henry Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) Spear, John Ward
Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm. Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) Spencer, Sir E. (W. Bromwich)
Laurie, Lieut.-General Myers, William Henry Stanley, Edward Jas.(Somerset
Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow. Newdegate, Francis A. N. Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Lanes.
Lawrence, Sir Jos. (Monmouth) Palmer, Walter (Salisbury) Stewart, Sir Mark J. M ' Taggart
Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool) Parkes, Ebenezer Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
Lawson, J. Grant (Yorks., N. R) Peel, Hn. Wm. Robert Wellesley Stock, James Henry
Lee, A. H. (Hants., Fareham) Pemberton, John S. G. Stone, Sir Benjamin
Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) Percy, Earl Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Pierpoint, Robert Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S. Pilkington, Colonel Richard Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G (Oxf 'd Univ.
Llewellyn, Evan Henry Platt-Higgins, Frederick Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. Plummer, Walter R. Thorburn, Sir Walter
Long, Rt. Hon. W. (Bristol, S.) Powell, Sir Francis Sharp Thornton, Percy M.
Lonsdale, John Brownlee Pretyman, Ernest George Tollemache, Henry James
Lowe, Francis William Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward Tuff, Charles
Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale) Pym, C. Guy Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward
Loyd, Archie Kirkman Randles, John S. Tuke, Sir John Batty
Lucas, Reginald J.(Portsmouth) Ratcliff, R, F. Valentia, Viscount
Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred Reid, James (Greenock) Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)
Macdona, John Cumming Remnant, James Farquharson Walker, Col. William Hall
MacIver, David (Liverpool) Renwick, George Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sir William H
Maconochie, A. W. Ridley, Hon. M.W.(Stalybridge Warde, Colonel C. E.
M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Green Welby, Lt.-Col. A. C. E (Taunton
M'Calmont, Colonel James Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson Welby, Sir Charles G.E.(Notts.
M'Iver, Sir Lewis(Edinburg) W Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) Whiteley, H. (Ashton und. Lyne
M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire) Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Majendie, James A. H. Ropner. Colonel Sir Robert Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)
Malcolm, Ian Rothschild, Hn. Lionel Walter Willox, Sir John Archibald
Martin, Richard Biddulph Round, Rt. Hon. James Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.
Middlemore, Jn. Throgmorton Royds, Clement Molyneux Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E.R.(Bath
Mildmay, Francis Bingham Rutherford, John (Lancashire) Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
Milner, Rt. Hn. Sir Frederick G. Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart
Milvain, Thomas Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh, N.) Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Molesworth, Sir Lewis Sandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. Myles Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H.
Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) Yerburgh, Robert Armstrong
Montagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants.) Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln)
Moon, Edward Robert Pacy Seely, Maj. J.E.B. (Isle of Wight TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir Alexander Acland-Hood and Mr. Ailwyn Fellowes.
Morpeth, Viscount Sharpe, William Edward T.
Morrison, James Archibald Skewes-Cox, Thomas
Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer Sloan, Thomas Henry
NOES.
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.) Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. Edwards, Frank
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Carvill, Patrick Geo.0 Hamilton Elibank, Master of
Ainsworth, John Stirling Causton, Richard Knight Ellis, John Edward (Notts.)
Allen, Charles P. Cawley, Frederick Emmott, Alfred
Asher, Alexander Channing, Francis Allston Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan)
Ashton, Thomas Gair Churchill, Winston Spencer Fenwick, Charles
Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herb. Henry Condon, Thomas Joseph Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith)
Atherley-Jones, L. Crean, Eugene Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond
Barlow, John Emmott Cremer, William Randal Flavin, Michael Joseph
Barran, Rowland Hirst Crooks, William Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire Cullinan, J. Freeman-Thomas, Captain F.
Black, Alexander William Dalziel, James Henry Fuller, J. M. F.
Boland, John Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen) Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herb. John
Bolton, Thomas Dolling Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan Goddard, Daniel Ford
Brand, Hon. Arthur G. Delany, William Grant, Corrie
Brigg, John Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill
Broadhurst, Henry Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny N.) Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton
Brown, George M. (Edinburgh) Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh. Hammond, John
Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles Harcourt, Lewis V.(Rossendale
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James Dobbie, Joseph Harwood, George
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Doogan, P. C. Hayden, John Patrick
Burke, E. Haviland Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) Helme, Norval Watson,
Caldwell, James Duncan, J. Hastings Hemphill, Rt. Hon. Charles H.
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Dunn, Sir William Henderson, Arthur (Durham)
Holland, Sir William Henry Nannetti, Joseph P. Shipman, Dr. John G.
Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Horniman, Frederick John Norman, Henry Slack, John Bamford
Humphreys Owen, Arthur C. Norton, Capt. Cecil William Smith, Jamuel (Flint)
Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk. Nussey, Thomas Willans Scares, Ernest J.
Jacoby, James Alfred O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid.) Spencer, Rt. Hn. C. R (Northants
Johnson, John (Gateshead) O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Stevenson, Francis S.
Joicey, Sir James O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) Strachey, Sir Edward
Jones, William (Carnarvonshire O'Kelly, Jas. (Roscommon, N.) Sullivan, Donal
Jordan, Jeremiah O'Malley, William Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Joyce, Michael O'Mara, James Tennant, Harold John
Kearley, Hudson E. O'Shee, James John Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)
Kilbride, Denis Parrott, William Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.
Kitson, Sir James Partington, Oswald Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr)
Langley, Batty Paulton, James Mellor Thomas, J A (Glamorgan, Gower
Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) Perks, Robert William Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.
Layland-Barratt, Francis Pirie, Duncan Y. Tomkinson, James
Leamy, Edmund Power, Patrick Joseph Toulmin, George
Leese, Sir Jos. F. (Accrington) Price, Robert John Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Leigh, Sir Joseph Priestley, Arthur Ure, Alexander
Leng, Sir John Rea, Russell Waldron. Laurence Ambrose
Levy, Maurice Reddy, M. Wallace, Robert
Lewis, John Herbert Redmond, John E. (Waterford) Walton, J. Lawson (Leeds, S.)
Logan, John William Redmond, William (Clare) Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Lough, Thomas Reid, Sir R. Threshie (Dumfries Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Lundon, W. Rickett, J. Compton Wason, Jn. Cathcart (Orkney)
Lyell, Charles Henry Rigg, Richard Weir, James Galloway
MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) White, George (Norfolk)
MacVeagh, Jeremiah Robson, William Snowdon White, Luke (York, E. R.)
M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) Rose, Charles Day Whiteley, George (York, W.R.)
M'Crae, George Runciman, Walter Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
M'Hugh, Patrick A. Russell, T. W. Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
M'Kenna, Reginald Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland) Wilson, Fred. W. (Norfolk, Mid.
M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R.)
M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin Schwann, Charles E. Woodhouse. Sir J. T (Huddersf'd
Mansfield, Horace Rendall Shackleton, David James Young, Samuel
Markham, Arthur Basil Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Mooney, John J. Shaw, Thomas (Hawick, B.) TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Sir Thomas Esmonde and Captain Donelan.
Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Murphy, John Sheehy, David
AYES.
Anson, Sir William Reynell Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne MacIver, David (Liverpool)
Arkwright, John Stanhope Firbank, Sir Joseph Thomas Maconochie, A. W.
Arnold-Forster, Rt. Hn. Hugh O. Fisher, William Hayes M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)
Arrol, Sir William FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose M'Calmont, Colonel James
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Fitzroy, Hn. Edward Algernon M'Iver, Sir Lewis (EdiuburghW
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn. Sir H Flannery, Sir Fortescue M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)
Bailey, James (Walworth) Forster, Henry William Majendie, James A. H
Bain, Colonel James Robert Fyler, John Arthur Malcolm, Ian
Baird, John George Alexander Galloway, William Johnson Martin, Richard Biddulph
Balcarres, Lord Gardner, Ernest Mildmay, Francis Bingham
Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'r Garfit, William Milner, Rt. Hn. Sir Frederick G.
Balfour Rr. Hon. G. W. (Leeds Gordon, Hn. J. E (Elgin & Nairn) Milvain, Thomas
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Gore. Hn G. R. C. Ormsby-(Salop Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh, N.)
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Goschen, Hon. George Joachim Molesworth, Sir Lewis
Bartley, Sir George C. T. Goulding, Edward Alfred Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)
Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin Graham, Henry Robert Montagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants.)
Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir Mich. Hicks Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Moon, Edward Robert Pacy
Bignold, Arthur Greene, Henry D.(Shrewsbury) Morpeth, Viscount
Bigwood, James Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs.) Morrison, James Archibald
Blundell, Colonel Henry Grenfell, William Henry Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer
Bond, Edward Gretton, John Mount, William Arthur
Boscawen, Arthur Griffith Groves, James Grimble Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John. Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill Murray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute)
Brotherton, Edward Allen Hambro, Charles Eric Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)
Bull, William James Hamilton, Rt Hn Lord G (Midd'x Newdegate, Francis A. N.
Burdett-Coutts, W. Hamilton, Marq; of (L'nd'nderry Palmer, Walter (Salisbury)
Butcher, John George Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford) Parkes, Ebenezer
Campbell, J. H.M. (Dublin Univ. Hare, Thomas Leigh Peel, Hn. Wm. Robert Wellesley
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H Harris, F. Leverton (Tynem'th Pemberton, John S. G.
Cautley, Henry Strother Harris, Dr. Fredk. R. (Dulwich Percy, Earl
Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbyshire Harwood, George Platt-Higgins, Frederick
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Haslam, Sir Alfred S. Plummer, Walter R.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J.(Birm. Hay, Hon. Claude George Pretyman, Ernest George
Chamberlain, Rt Hn. J. A (Worc. Heath, A. Howard (Hauley) Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
Chapman, Edward Heath, James (Staffords., N.W. Pym, C. Guy
Clive, Captain Percy A. Heaton, John Henniker Randles, John S.
Coates, Edward Feetham Helder, Augustus Ratcliff, R. F.
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W. Reid, James (Greenock)
Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. Remnant, James Farquharson
Colomb, Rt. Hn. Sir John C. R. Hoare, Sir Samuel Renwick, George
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside Ridley, Hon. M. W. (Stalybridge
Compton, Lord Alwyne Hoult, Joseph Ridley, S. Forde (Bothnal Green
Cremer, William Randal Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson
Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) Hutton, John (Yorks., N. R.) Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Oust, Henry John C. Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred. Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Dalrymple, Sir Charles Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Davenport, William Bromley Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H. Rothschild, Hn. Lionel Walter
Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham) Keswick, William Round, Rt. Hon. James
Denny, Colonel Kimber, Henry Royds, Clement Molyneux
Dickinson, Robert Edmond Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm. Russell, T. W.
Dickson, Charles Scott Laurie, Lieut.-General Rutherford, John (Lancashire)
Digby, John K. D. Wingfield- Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Rutherford W. W. (Liverpool)
Dimsdale, Rt. Hn. Sir Joseph C. Lawson, J. Grant (Yorks., N. R Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford
Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Lee, A. H. (Hants., Fareham Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Dorington, Rt. Hn. Sir John E. Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Doughty, George Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln)
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers Leveson-Gower, Frederick N.S. Sharpe, William Edward T.
Doxford, Sir William Theodore Llewellyn, Evan Henry Skewes-Cox, Thomas
Duke, Henry Edward Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. Sloan, Thomas Henry
Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin Long, Rt. Hon. W. (Bristol, S. Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)
Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William Hart Lonsdale, John Brownlee Smith, H C (North'mb. Tyneside
Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton Lowe, Francis William Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.
Faber, George Denison (York) Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale) Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Fardell, Sir T. George Loyd, Archie Kirkman Spear, John Ward
Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J (Manc'r Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth Spencer, Sir E. (W. Bromwich
Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerse
Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. Macdona, John Cumming Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Lane
Stewart, Sir Hark J. M'Taggart Valentia, Viscount Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M. Walker, Col. William Hall Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Stock, James Henry Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sir William H. Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. ft.
Stone, Sir Benjamin Warde, Colonel C. E. Yerburgh, Robert Armstrong
Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley Welby, Sir Charles G.E.(Notts.
Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) Whiteley, H. (Ashton and. Lyne TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir Alexander Acland-Hood and Mr. Ailwyn Fellowes.
Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G (Oxf'd Univ. Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth) Willox, Sir John Archibald
Thorburn, Sir Walter Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath
Tuff, Charles Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart
NOES.
Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.) Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Pirie, Duncan V.
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) Power, Patrick Joseph
Ainsworth, John Stirling Horniman, Frederick John Priestley, Arthur
Allen, Charles P. Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C. Rea, Russell
Asher, Alexander Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk. Reddy, M.
Ashton, Thomas Gair Johnson. John (Gateshead) Redmond. John E. (Waterford)
Barran, Rowland Hirst Joicey, Sir James Redmond, William (Clare)
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Jones, William (Carnarvonshire Rickett, J. Compton
Black, Alexander William Jordan, Jeremiah Rigg, Richard
Boland, John Joyce, Michael Robson, William Snowdon
Brigg, John Kearley, Hudson E. Rose, Charles Day
Brown, George M. (Eidnburgh) Kilbride, Denis Runciman, Walter
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Kitson, Sir James Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland)
Burke, E. Haviland Langley, Batty Seely, Maj. J. E. B. (Isle of Wight
Caldwell, James Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) Shackleton, David James
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Leigh, Sir Joseph Shaw, Thomas (Hawick, B.)
Causton, Richard Knight Leng, Sir John Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Charming, Francis Allston Levy, Maurice Sheehy, David
Condon, Thomas Joseph Lewis, John Herbert Shipman, Dr. John G.
Crean, Eugene Lough, Thomas Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Cullman, J. Lundon, W. Slack, John Bamford
Dalziel, James Henry Lyell, Charles Henry Soares, Ernest J.
Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen) MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Spencer, Rt. Hn. C. R (Northants
Delany, William MacVeagh, Jeremiah Sullivan, Donal
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.) M'Crae, George Tennant, Harold John
Dobbie, Joseph M'Hugh, Patrick A. Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.)
Donelan, Captain A. K'Kenna, Reginald Thomas, D. Alfred (Merthyr)
Doogan, P. C. M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) Thomas, J.A (Glamorgan Gower
Duncan, J. Hastings M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin Tomkinson, James
Dunn, Sir William Mansfield, Horace Rendall Toulmin, George
Edwards, Frank Markham, Arthur Basil Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Elibank, Master of Mooney, John J. Ure, Alexander
Esmonde, Sir Thomas Murphy, John Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) Nannetti, Joseph P. White, George (Norfolk)
Fenwick, Charles Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) Norman, Henry Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Freeman- Thomas, Captain F. Nussey, Thomas Willans Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Fuller, J. St. F. O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid.) Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Goddard, Daniel Ford O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Wilson, Fred. W. (Norfolk, Mid.
Grant, Corrie O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) Wilson, Henry J. (York. W.R.)
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton O'Kelly, Jas. (Roscommon, N.) Woodhouse. Sir J. T (Huddersf'd
Hammond, John O'Malley, William Young Samuel
Harcourt, Lewis V.(Rossendale O'Mara, James
Hayden, John Patrick O'Shee, James John TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. Broadhurst and Mr. Flavin
Helme, Norval Watson Parrott, William

Main Question again proposed.

MR. WILLIAM REDMOND (Clare, E.)

said that this tax was one in which he had always taken considerable interest, and in regard to which he had year a ter year made representations to the right hon. Gentleman's predecessors in office. The present proposal was, to a considerable extent, identical with a suggestion which he made on 26th March, 1900, as recorded in Hansard. Possibly that was the source from which the right hon. Gentleman derived his inspiration, but at that time the suggestion was received with derision. So far as the present proposal went it was a good one, but it ought to have been accompanied by a remission of duty on the ordinary common tobacco used by the masses of the people. He would have been in favour of imposing all the taxation necessary on the expensive forms of tobacco used by the wealthy people who were able to bear the additional impost without feeling the burden. He asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer to consider whether he could not make some reduction in the tax upon the tobacco of the masses of the people and increase the tax upon the expensive forms of tobacco used by the wealthy people. By doing that he would meet the views of many hon. Members upon the Opposition side of the House. If he did not do so, he did not see how the right hon. Gentleman could expect his proposals to be acquiesced in by hon. Members from Ireland. The tobacco tax fell heavily upon the people of Ireland, where they had a good many tobacco manufacturers, and they would be severely hit by this proposal to tax the common kind of tobacco. He suggested that they should be relieved at the expense of foreign imported cigars and cigarettes. The Chancellor of the Exchequer had already gone some distance in that direction, but not far enough, and he ought to give some further remission of the duty on the common kind of tobacco which was used so largely by the working people of this country and also of Ireland. He had only intervened in this debate to show that occasionally he was right in the House of Commons. He looked forward to the day when there would be sufficient tobacco pro- duced in Ireland not only to meet the demands of Ireland, but also to a very large extent the requirements of the people of this country. When that day arrived, he would be in favour of taxing even to a greater degree foreign imported tobacco. The Government had promised to encourage tobacco growing by offering a remission of the tax on tobacco grown in Ireland for the next five years, and that was very good so far as it went. He hoped the Chancellor of the Exchequer would give further consideration to the suggestions and speeches he had made from time to time on this subject. He had no doubt that as the right hon. Gentleman became more familiar with the tax on tobacco he would see more clearly the justice of the position he had taken up and insist upon following up in a more liberal manner the suggestions which he had made from time to time.

SIR BRAMPTON GURDON (Norfolk, N.)

asked if the Chancellor of the Exchequer intended to put a corresponding Excise duty upon home-made cigarettes, because they were those nasty things which little boys smoked, and this was a practice which he was sure all Members of the House would like to see stopped.

* MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN

said he proposed to treat the additional duty on imported cigarettes exactly as the additional duty on imported cigars was treated by his right hon. friend the Member for West Bristol. He did not propose to put any further duty on cigarettes manufactured in this country. The tobacco from which they were manufactured had already paid import duty. The hon. Member for East Clare had pointed out that four years ago he endeavoured to secure the adoption of the suggestions now made. Perhaps if the hon. Member would give him his continuous and loyal support for a further period of four years he might be able to follow him further on the path of reform.

MR. ROBSON (South Shields)

said the House ought to make a careful note of the admission just made by the right hon. Gentleman. It had been said again

and again that the right hon. Gentleman's proposals were on the old fiscal lines and that there was nothing about them in the nature of protection. They had now a distinct admission that in this Budget they had for the first time introduced a distinctively protective tariff.

Question put.

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 200; Noes, 106. (Division List No. 87.)

AYES.
Anson. Sir William Reynell Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse
Arkwright, John Stanhope Dorington, Rt. Hn. Sir John E. Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred.
Arnold-Forster, Rt. Hn. Hugh O Doughty, George Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton
Arrol, Sir William Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H
Atkinson, St. Hon. John Doxford, Sir William Theodore Keswick, William
Bailey, James (Walworth) Duke, Henry Edward Kimber, Henry
Bain, Colonel James Robert Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm,
Baird, John George Alexander Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton Laurie, Lieut.-General
Balcarres, Lord Faber, George Denison (York) Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)
Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'r Fardell, Sir T. George Lawson, J. Grant (Yorks., N., R
Balfour, Rt. Hn. 6. W. (Leeds Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst Lee, A. H. (Hants. Fareham)
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead)
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage
Bartley, Sir George C. T. Firbank, Sir Joseph Thomas Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S.
Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin Fisher, William Hayes Llewellyn, Evan Henry
Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir Mich. Hicks FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.
Bignold, Arthur Fitzroy, Hn. Edward Algernon Long, Rt. Hon. W. (Bristol S.)
Bigwood, James Flannery, Sir Fortescue Lonsdale, John Brownlee
Blundell, Colonel Henry Forster, Henry William Lowe, Francis William
Bond, Edward Fyler, John Arthur Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale)
Boscawen, Arthur Griffith Galloway, William Johnson Loyd, Archie Kirkman.
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Gardner, Ernest Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth
Brotherton, Edward Allen Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin & Nairn) Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred
Bull, William James Gore. Hn G. R C. Ormsby- (Salop Macdona, John Cumming
Burdett-Coutts, W. Goschen, Hon. George Joachim Maconochie, A. W.
Butcher, John George Graham, Henry Robert M'Calmont, Colonel James
Campbell, J.H.M. (Dublin Univ. Gray, Ernest (West Ham) M'Iver, Sir Lewis (Edinburgh W.
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)
Cautley, Henry Strother Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs.) Majendie, James A. H.
Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbyshire Grenfell, William Henry Malcolm, Ian
Chamberlain, Rt Hn. J. A (Worc. Gretton, John Martin, Richard Biddulph
Chapman, Edward Groves, James Grimble Milner, Rt. Hn. Sir Frederick G.
Clive, Captain Percy A. Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill Milvain, Thomas
Coates, Edward Feetham Hambro, Charles Erie Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh, N.)
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Hamilton, Marq, of (L'nd'nderry Molesworth, Sir Lewis
Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford) Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)
Colomb, Rt. Hn. Sir John C.R. Hare, Thomas Leigh Morpeth, Viscount
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Harris, F. Leverton (Tvnem' th Morrison, James Archibald
Compton, Lord Alwyne Harris, Dr. Fredk. R. (Dulwich Mount. William Arthur
Cremer, William Randal Harwood, George Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.
Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) Haslam, Sir Alfred S. Murray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute)
Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile Hay, Hon. Claude George Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)
Cust, Henry John C. Heath, A. Howard (Hanley) Newdegate, Francis A. N
Davenport, William Bromley Heath, James (Staffords., N.W. Palmer, Walter (Salisbury)
Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham) Heaton, John Henniker Parkes, Ebenezer
Denny, Colonel Helder, Augustus Peel, Hn. Wm. Robert Wellesley
Dickinson, Robert Edmond Hoare, Sir Samuel Percy, Earl
Dickson, Charles Scott Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside Platt-Higgins, Frederick
Digby, John K. D. Wingfield- Hoult, Joseph Pretyman, Ernest George
Dimsdale, Rt. Hn. Sir Joseph C. Hutton, John (Yorks., N. R.) Pryce-Jones, Lt-Col. Edward
Pym, C. Guy Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Randles, John S. Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln) Tuff, Charles
Ratcliff, R. F. Seely, Maj. J.E.B. (Isle of Wight Valentia, Viscount
Reid, James (Greenock) Sharpe, William Edward T. Walker, Col. William Hall
Renwick, George Skewes-Cox, Thomas Walrond, Rt. Hon. Sir William H.
Ridley, Hon. M. W. (Stalybridge Sloan, Thomas Henry Warde, Colonel C. E.
Ritchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. Thomson Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East) Welby, Sir Charles G. E. (Notts
Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) Smith, H C (North'mb. Tyneside Whiteley, H. (Ashton und. Lyne
Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) Smith, James Parker (Lanarks. Willox, Sir John Archibald
Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert Spencer, Sir E. (W. Bromwich) Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath
Rothschild, Hn. Lionel Walter Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart
Royds, Clement Molyneux Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Lancs. Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Russell, T. W. Stewart. Sir Mark. J. M'Taggart Wyudham, Rt. Hon. George
Rutherford, John (Lancashire) Stock, James Henry
Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) Stone, Sir Benjamin TELLERS FOR THE AYES,—Sir Alexander Acland-Hood and Mr. Ailwyn Fellowes.
Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G (Oxf 'd Univ.
NOES.
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E. Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) Priestley, Arthur
Abraham, William (Rhondda Horniman, Frederick John Rea, Russell
Ainsworth, John Sliding Joicey, Sir James Reddy, M.
Allen, Charles P. Jones, William (Carnarvonshire Redmond, John E (Waterford)
Asher, Alexander Jordan, Jeremiah Redmond, William (Clare)
Ashton, Thomas Gair Joyce, Michael Rickett, J. Compton
Barran, Rowland Hirst Kilbride, Denis Rigg, Richard
Boland, John Kitson, Sir James Robson, William Snowdon
Brigg, John Langley, Batty Rose, Charles Day
Brown, George M. (Edinburgh) Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) Runciman, Walter
Burke, E. Haviland Leigh, Sir Joseph Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland)
Caldwell, James Leng, Sir John Shackleton, David James
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Levy, Maurice Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)
Condon, Thomas Joseph Lundon, W. Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Crean, Eugene Lyell, Charles Henry Sheehy, David
Cullinan, J. MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Shipman, Dr. John G
Dalziel, James Henry MacVeagh, Jeremiah Slack, John Bamford
Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen) M'Crae, George Soares, Ernest J.
Delany, William M'Hugh, Patrick A. Sullivan, Donal
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.) M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin Thomas, D. Alfred (Merthyr)
Dobbie, Joseph Mansfield, Horace Kendall Thomas, J A (Clamorgan, Gower
Doogan, P. C. Markham, Arthur Basil Toulmin, George
Dunn, Sir William Mooney, John J. Ure, Alexander
Edwards, Frank Murphy, John Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Elibank, Master of Nannetti, Joseph P. White, George (Norfolk)
Evans, Samuel I. (Glamorgan) Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) White, Luke (York, E. R)
Fenwick. Charles Nussey, Thomas Willans Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Flavin, Michael Joseph O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid.) Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Freeman-Thomas, Captain F. O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) Wilson, Henry J (York, W. R.)
Fuller, J. M. F. O'Kelly, Jas. (Roscommon, N.) Woodhouse, Sir J T(Huddersf'd
Grant, Corrie O'Malley, William Young, Samuel
Hammond, John O'Mara, James
Harcourt, Lewis V.(Rossendale O'Shee, James John TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Sir Thomas Esmonde and Mr. Patrick O'Brien
Hayden, John Patrick Parrott, William
Helme, Norval Watson Pirie, Duncan V.
Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Power, Patrick Joseph

Bill read the third time, and passed.

Resolutions to be reported upon Thursday.

Committee to sit again to-morrow.