HC Deb 29 May 1902 vol 108 cc1004-7

Order read, for resuming Adjourned Debate on Question [18th April], "That this House doth agree with the Committee in the Second Resolution, That a sum, not exceeding £5,961,815, be granted to His Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1903, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Post Office Services, the Expenses of the Post Office Savings Banks, and Government Annuities and Insurances, and the Collection of the Post Office Revenue."

Question again proposed.

Debate resumed.

Question put.

The House divided :—Ayes, 178; Noes, 63. (Division List No. 187.)

AYES.
Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N. E.) Hope, John Deans (Fife, West O'Malley, William
Ambrose, Robert Horniman, Frederick John O'Mara, James
Atherley-Jones, L. Jones, William (Carnarvonsh Pease, Alfred E. (Cleveland)
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Joyce, Michael Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden
Blake, Edward Leamy, Edmund Power, Patrick Joseph
Boland, John Lloyd-George, David Redmond, J. E. (Waterford)
Burke, E. Haviland- Lough, Thomas Rickett, J. Compton
Burns, John MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
Caldwell, James MacVeagh, Jeremiah Scott, Chas. Prestwich (Leigh
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) M'Govern, T. Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Cawley, Frederick M'Hugh, Patrick A. Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Clancy, John Joseph M'Kean, John Spencer, Rt. Hn. C. R. (N'thants
Crean, Eugene M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) Sullivan, Donal
Delany, William Mooney, John J. Tomkinson, James
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh Morton, Edw. J. C. (Dev'np't Weir, James Galloway
Dillon, John Nannetti, Joseph P. White, Luke (York, E. R.
Doogan, P. C. Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Fenwick, Charles O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork) Young, Samuel
Ffrench, Peter O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid.)
Flynn, James Christopher O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Furness, Sir Christopher O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Gilhooly, James O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W Sir Thomas Esmonde and Captain Donelan.
Goddard, Daniel Ford O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)
Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale- O'Kelly, J. (Roscommon, N.)
NOES.
Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir A. F. Cautley, Henry Strother Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward
Allhusen, Augustus H. E. Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r
Arkwright, John Stanhope Cayzer, Sir Charles William Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst
Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Finch, George H.
Arrol, Sir William Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r Fisher, William Hayes
Baget, Capt. J. Fitz Roy Charrington, Spencer Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon
Bain, Colonel James Robert Churchill, Winston Spencer Flannery, Sir Fortescue
Baird, John George Alexander Clare, Octavius Leigh Fletcher, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry
Balcarres, Lord Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H A. E. Flower, Ernest
Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manch'r Coghill, Douglas Harry Forster, Henry William
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey Cohen, Benjamin Louis Foster, Philip S. (Warw'k, S. W.
Balfour, Rt. Hon. G. W. (Leeds Collings, Right Hon. Jesse Fuller, J. M. F.
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready Galloway, William Johnson
Banbury, Frederick George Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow Gardner, Ernest
Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjn. Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) Garfit, William
Beach, Rt. Hon. Sir M. Hicks Cranborne, Viscount God son, Sir Augustus Frederick
Beresford, Lord Charles Wm. Dalkeith, Earl of Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin&Nairn
Bignold Arthur Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.
Bill, Charles Denny, Colonel Gordon, Maj Evans-(T'rH'ml'ts
Blundell, Colonel Henry Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P. Gore, Hn G. B. C. Ormsby-(Salop
Bond, Edward Dorington, Sir John Edward Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby-(Linc.).
Brassey, Albert Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Doxford, Sir William Theodore Gray, Ernest (West Ham)
Brookfield, Colonel Montagu Duke, Henry Edward Green, Walford D. (Wednesb'ry
Brymer, William Ernest Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William Hart Greene, Sir E W (B'ry S Edm'nds
Bull, William James Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury
Butcher, John George Elliot, Hon. A. Ralph Douglas Gretton, John
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Fardell, Sir T. George Greville, Hon. Ronald
Groves, James Grimble M'Calmont, Col. J. (Antrim, E) Rolleston, Sir John F. L.
Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F. Majendie, James A. H. Ropner, Colonel Robert
Hamilton, Rt Hn Lord G (Midd'x Malcolm, Ian Round, James
Hare, Thomas Leigh Markham, Arthur Basil Royds, Clement Molyneux
Hay, Hon. Claude George Martin, Richard Biddulph Rutherford, John
Heath, Fames (Staffords, N. W. Maxwell, Rt Hn Sir H. K (Wigt'n Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-
Helder, Augustus Maxwell, W. J. H. (Dumfriessh. Saunderson, Rt. Hn. Col. Edw. J.
Henderson, Alexander Mitchell, William Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln)
Hoare, Sir Samuel Molesworth, Sir Lewis Seton-Karr, Henry
Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Sinclair, Louis (Romford)
Horner, Frederick William Moon, Edward Robert Pacy Spear, John Ward
Hoult, Joseph Morgan, David J (Walthamst'w Stanley, Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk
Houston, Robert Paterson Morrell, George Herbert Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)
Jackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. Lawics Morrison, James Archibald Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Morton, Arthuh H. A (Deptford Stroyan, John
Jeffreys, Arthur Frederick Mount, William Arthur Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton Muntz, Philip A. Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Oxf'd Univ
Johnston, William (Belfast Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) Thornton, Percy M.
Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex) Nicol, Donald Ninian Tomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray
Kenyon-Slaney, Col. W. (Salop Orr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay Tuke, Sir John Batty
King, Sir Henry Seymour Pease, Herbt. Pike (Darlington) Valentia, Viscount
Lambton, Hon Frederick Wm. Penn, John Vincent, Col. Sir C. E. H (Sheffield)
Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Percy, Earl Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney
Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool) Pierpoint, Robert Webb, Colonel William George
Lawson, John Grant Pilkington, Lieut.-Col Richard Welby, Sir Charles G. E. (Notts.
Lee, Arthur H (Hants., Fareham Platt-Higgins, Frederick Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon-
Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Plummer, Walte, R. Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S. Powell, Sir Francis Sharp Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)
Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R. Pretyman, Ernest George Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine Rasch, Major Frederic Carne Williams, Rt Hn J. Powell-(Birrm
Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S Rattigan, Sir William Henry Willox, Sir John Archibald
Lonsdale, John Brownlee Reid, James (Greenock) Wills, Sir Frederick
Lowe, Francis William Remnant, James Farquharson Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R.)
Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale) Renshaw, Charles Bine Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh, N.)
Lowther, Rt Hn J W (Cum, Penr.) Renwick, George Wolff, Gustay Wilhelm
Loyd, Archie Kirkman Ridley, Hon. H. W. (Stalybridge Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth Rigg, Richard Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Macartney, Rt. Hn W G. Ellison Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson
Macdona, John Cumming Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
MacIver, David (Liverpool) Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) Sir William Walroud and Mr. Anstruther.
M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) Roe, Sir Thomas
AYES.
Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex. F. Foster, Philip S (Warwick, S. W. Morgan, David J (Walthamst'w
Arkwright, John Stanhope Galloway, William Johnson Morrell, George Herbert
Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. Gardner, Ernest Morrison, James Archibald
Arrol, Sir William Garfit, William Morton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford)
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick Mount, William Arthur
Bagot, Capt. Josceline Fitz Roy Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin&Nairn Muntz, Philip A.
Bain, Colonel James Robert Cordon, J. (Londonderry, S.) Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)
Balcarres, Lord Gordon, Maj Evans-(T'rH'ml'ts Nicol, Donald Ninian
Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manch'r Gore, Hn G. R. C. Ormsby-(Salop Orr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby-(Linc.) Pease, Herbt. Pike (Darlington)
Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W. (Leeds Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden)
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Green, Walford D (Wednesbury Penn, John
Banbury, Frederick George Greene, Sir E W (B'ry S Edm'nds Pilkington, Lieut.-Col. Richard
Beach, Rt. Hn Sir Michael Hicks Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury Platt-Higgins, Frederick
Beaumont, Wentworth C. B. Gretton, John Plummer, Walter R.
Beresford, Lord Charles Wm. Greville, Hon. Ronald Pretyman, Ernest George
Bignold, Arthur Groves, James Grimble Rasch, Major Frederic Carne
Blundell, Colonel Henry Haldane, Richard Burdon Reid, James (Greenock)
Bond, Edward Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F. Remnant, James Farquharson
Brassey, Albert Hamilton, Rt Hn Lord G (Midd'x Renshaw, Charles Bine
Brodrick, Kt. Hon. St. John Hare, Thomas Leigh Renwick, George
Brookfield, Colonel Montagu Heath, James (Staffords, N. W. Ridley, Hon. M. W. (Stalybridge
Butcher, John George Helder, Augustus Ritchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. Thomson
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Henderson, Alexander Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Cavendish, Y. C. W (Derbyshire Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Cayzer, Sir Charles William Hoult, Joseph Ropner, Colonel Robert
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Houston, Robert Paterson Round, James
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Johnston, William (Belfast) Royds, Clement Molyneux
Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex) Rutherford, John
Charrington, Spencer Kenyon-Slaney, Col. W. (Salop. Sackville, Col. S. C. Stopford-
Churchill, Winston Spencer King, Sir Henry Seymour Sinclair, Louis (Romford)
Clare, Octavius Leigh Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm. Spear, John Ward
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk
Coghill, Douglas Harry Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool) Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)
Cohen, Benjamin Louts Lawson, John Grant Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse Lee, Arthur H (Hants, Fareham Stroyan, John
Colomb, Sir John Chas. Ready Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Talbet, Lord E. (Chichester)
Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S. Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G (Oxf'd Univ.
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) Lock wood, Lt.-Col. A. R. Thornton, Percy M.
Cranborne, Viscount Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine Tomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray
Dalkeith, Earl of Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S) Tuke, Sir John Batty
Dalrymple, Sir Charles Lonsdale, John Brownlee Valentia, Viscount
Denny, Colonel Lowe, Francis William Vincent, Col. Sir C E H. (Sheffield
Dorington, Sir John Edward Lowther, C. (Curnb., Eskdale) Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney)
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Loyd, Archie Kirkman Webb, Colonel William George
Doxford, Sir William Theodore Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth Welby, Lt. Col. A. C. E. (Taunton
Duke, Henry Edward Lyttelton, Hon. Alfred Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon-
Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. Hart Macartney, Rt Hn. W. G. Ellison Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton Macdona, John Cumming Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)
Fardell, Sir T. George Maclver, David (Liverpool) Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward M'sArthur, Charles (Liverpool) Willox, Sir John Archibald
Fergusson, Rt. Hn Sir J (Manc'r. M'Calmont, Col. J. (Antrim, E.) Wills, Sir Frederick
Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst Majendie, James A. H. Wilson, A. Stanley (York, K. R.)
Finch, George H. Martin, Richard Biddulph Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh, N.)
Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne Maxwell, Rt Hn Sir H. E (Wigt'n Wolff, Gustay Wilhelm
Fisher, William Hayes Maxwell, W. J. H. (Dumfriessh. Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart.
Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon Mitchell, William
Flannery, Sir Fortescue Molesworth, Sir Lewis TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Fletcher, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.
Flower, Ernest Montagu, Hon. J. Scott (Hants.)
Forster, Henry William Moon, Edward Robert Pacy
NOES.
Abraham, Willliam (Cork, N. E.) Delany, William Hayae, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale-
Allen, Charles P (Glouc., Stroud Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh. Hope, John Deans (Fife, West
Blake, Edward Dillon, John Horniman, Frederick John
Boland, John Doogan, P. C. Jones, William (C'rnarvonshire
Burke, E. Haviland- Ffrench, Peter Joyce, Michael
Caldwell, James Flynn, James Christopher Layland-Barratt, Francis
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Fuller, J. M. F. Loamy, Edmund
Cawdey, Frederick Furness, Sir Christopher Lough, Thomas
Channing, Francis Allston Gilhooly, James MacNeill, John Gordon Swift
Clancy, John Joseph Goddard, Daniel Ford MacVeagh, Jeremiah
Crean, Eugene Hay, Hon. Claude George M'Govern, T.
M'Hugh, Patrick A. O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N. Tomkinson, James
M'Kean, John O'Malley, William Warner, Thomas Courcenay T.
M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) O'Mara, James Weir, James Galloway
Markham, Arthur Basil Pearson, Sir Weetman D. White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Mooney, John J. Power, Patrick Joseph Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Nannetti, Joseph P. Rea, Russell Young, Samuel
Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
O'Brien, Kendal (Tip'erary Mid Rickett, J. Compton
O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Rigg, Richard TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) Sir Thomas Esmonde and
O'Counor, James (Wicklow, W. Roe, Sir Thomas Captain Donelan.
O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) Sullivan, Donal