§ Considered in Committee.
§ (In the Committee.)
§ (Mr. JEFFREYS, Hampshire, N., in the Chair.)
§ Clause 1 :—
§ (11.34.) MR. DILLONmoved to reduce the amount of the loan from £32,000,000 to £25,000,000. This would still leave the Chancellor of the Exchequer a margin of £5,000,000 over and above the total Estimates of the year. That was more than sufficient for all purposes of sound finance. If, owing to the misconduct of the Government, the present peace negotiations
§ broke down, and the war had to be continued, it would be extremely wholesome and desirable that the Chancellor of the Exchequer should be obliged to come to the House for an additional loan before the end of the present session. The House in that way would not part with its control over the conduct of the war at so critical a time as the present, as it would do by giving the Chancellor of the Exchequer a sufficient margin to carry on the war to the end of the year.
§
Amendment proposed—
In line 16, to leave out the words 'thirty-two,' and insert the words 'twenty-live.'"—(Mr. Dillon.)
§ Question proposed, "That the words 'thirty-two' stand part of the Clause."
§ * THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER (Sir M. HICKS BEACH,) Bristol, W.It may be right or it may be wrong that the House should sanction this Bill; but it is impossible, I think, for it to agree to this Amendment. The House has already, by Resolution and by passing the Second Reading of the Bill, assented to the loan being issued. The loan has been issued, and the money has been borrowed; therefore, it is absolutely impossible that the amount of the loan should be diminished. If the House should decline, on the Third Reading of the Bill, to assent to the loan altogether, we should change our side of the House. But the loan would still have been issued, and the country would still be liable for it. I do not think the anticipations of the hon. Member with regard to the use of the money can possibly come true, because, the money having been borrowed, it will be available to pay off floating debt to the extent to which it is not required for other purposes. I hope, therefore, he will not put the House to the trouble of dividing on the Amendment.
§ (11.38.) Question put.
§ The Committee divided:—Ayes, 174; Noes, 43. (Division List No. 183.)
881| AYES. | ||
| Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex. F. | Arkwright, John Stanhope | Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herbert Henry |
| Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel | Arnold-Forster. Hugh O. | Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John |
| Anson, Sir William Reynell | Arrol, Sir William | Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy |
| Bain, Colonel James Robert | Flower, Ernest | Nicol, Donald Ninian |
| Balcarres, Lord | Forster, Henry William | Palmer, Walter (Salisbury) |
| Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manch'r | Foster, Philip S. (Warwick, S. W. | Parkes, Ebenezer |
| Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W. (Leeds | Galloway, William Johnson | Partington, Oswald |
| Banbury, Frederick George | Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick | Pemberton, John S. G. |
| Beach, Rt Hn. Sir Michael Hicks | Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin & Nairn | Piatt-Higgins, Frederick |
| Beresford, Lord Chas, William | Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.) | Plummer, Walter R. |
| Bignold, Arthur | Gordon, Maj Evans-(T'rH'mlets | Powell, Sir Francis Sharp |
| Blundell, Colonel Henry | Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon | Pretyman, Ernest George |
| Boscawen, Arthur Griffith- | Goschen, Hon. George Joachim | Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward |
| Bowles, T. Gibson (King's Lynn | Gretton, John | Purvis, Robert |
| Brassey, Albert | Groves, James Grimble | Raseh, Major Frederic Carne |
| Brodrick, Ht. Hon. St. John | Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F. | Reid, James (Greenock) |
| Brookfield, Colonel Montagu | Hamilton, Rt Hn L'rd G (Midd'x | Renshaw, Charles Bine |
| Brown, George M. (Edinburgh) | Hay, Hon. Claude George | Renwick, George |
| Butcher, John George | Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale- | Rickett, J. Compton |
| Caldwell, James | Helme, Norval Watson | Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson |
| Carlile, William Walter | Henderson, Alexander | Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) |
| Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. | Hope, J. F (Sheffield, Brightside | Ropner, Colonel Robert |
| Cautley, Henry Strother | Houldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry | Round, James |
| Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lancs.) | Hozier, Hon. James Henry Cecil | Rutherford, John |
| Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire | Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse | Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford- |
| Cayzer, Sir Charles William | Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton | Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln) |
| Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Johnston, William (Belfast) | Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) |
| Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) | Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex) | Smith, H C (North'mb, Tyneside |
| Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire | Stanley, Lord (Lancs.) |
| Chapman, Edward | Kenyon-Slaney, Col. W. (Salop. | Stroyan, John |
| Chacrington, Spencer | Lawson, John Grant | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) |
| Churchill, Winston Spencer | Leese, Sir Joseph F. (Accrington | Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr |
| Coghill, Douglas Harry | Leigh, Sir Joseph | Thomas, J A (Glamorgan, Gower |
| Cohen, Benjamin Louis | Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie | Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.) |
| Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse | Leng, Sir John | Thornton, Percy M. |
| Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready | Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S. | Tomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray |
| Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) | Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine | Tonlmin, George |
| Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Long, Col. Chas, W. (Evesham) | Tuke, Sir John Batty |
| Cranborne, Viscount | Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S) | Valentia, Viscount |
| Dalkeith, Earl of | Lonsdale, John Brownlee | Vincent, Cl. Sir C. E. H. (Sheffield |
| Denny, Colonel | Loyd, Archie Kirkman | Walker, Col. William Hall |
| Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.) | Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft) | Wanklyn, James Leslie |
| Dickson, Charles Scott | Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth | Warr, Augustus Frederick |
| Dorington, Sir John Edward | Lyttelton, Hon. Alfred | Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney |
| Doughty, George | Macdona, John Cumming | Webb, Colonel William George |
| Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- | MacIver, David (Liverpool) | Weir, James Galloway |
| Duke, Henry Edward | M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) | Welby, Sir Charles G. E. (Notts. |
| Dyke, Rt. Hon. Sir William Hart | M'Crae, George | Whitmore, Charles Algernon |
| Elibank, Master of | M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire) | Wilson, John (Glasgow) |
| Elliot, Hon. A. Ralph Douglas | Majendie, James A. H. | Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh, N.) |
| Faber, Edmund B. (Hants., W.) | Martin, Richard Biddulph | Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.) |
| Faber, George Denison (York) | Maxwell, W. J. H (Dumfriessh.) | Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath) |
| Fardell, Sir T. George | Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) | Wortley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart- |
| Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward | Monagu, Hon. J. Scott (Hants.) | Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George |
| Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r | Moon, Edward Robert Pacy | Yerburgh, Robert Armstrong |
| Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst | Morgan, David J. (Walth'mstow | |
| Finch, George H. | Morrell, George Herbert | |
| Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne | Morton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford | TELLERS FOR THE AYES— |
| Fisher, William Hayes | Mount, William Arthur | Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther. |
| Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon | Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) | |
| NOES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.) | Healy, Timothy Michael | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) |
| Blake, Edward | Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) | O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) |
| Boland, John | Joyce, Michael | O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.) |
| Burke, E. Haviland- | Levy, Maurice | O' Malley, William |
| Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) | MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A. | Power, Patrick Joseph |
| Channing, Francis Allston | MacNeill, John Gordon Swift | Redmond, John E. (Waterford) |
| Clancy, John Joseph | MacVeagh, Jeremiah | Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) |
| Crean, Eugene | M'Govern, T. | Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) |
| Cremer, William Randal | M'Hugh, Patrick A. | Sullivan, Donal |
| Delany, William | M'Kean, John | White, Luke (York, E. R.) |
| Dillon, John | M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) |
| Doogan, P. C. | Markham, Arthur Basil | |
| Ffrench, Peter | Mooney, John J. | |
| Flynn, James Christopher | Nannetti, Joseph P. | TELLERS FOR THE NOES— |
| Gilhooly, James | Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) | Sir Thomas Esmonde and |
| Goddard, Daniel Ford | O' Brien, Kendal (Tipp'rary Mid | Captain Donelan. |
First Resolution read a second time.
§ Clause agreed to.
§ Clause 2 agreed to.
§ Bill reported, without Amendment; to be read the third time upon Monday next.