§ Order read for resuming Adjourned Debate on Question [10th February], "That Standing Order 83 (Office of Speaker) be amended, by adding, at the end of the Standing Order, the words 'At the commencement of every Parliament, or from time to time, as necessity may arise, the House may appoint a Deputy Chairman, who shall, whenever the House is informed by the Clerk at the Table of the unavoidable absence of the Chairman of Ways and Means, be entitled to exercise all the powers vested in the Chairman of Ways and Means, including his powers as Deputy Speaker:'"—(Mr. A. J. Balfour.)
§ (4.30.) Question put, "That those words be there added."
§ The House divided:—Ayes, 275; Noes, 91. (Division List No. 23.)
1013| AYES. | ||
| Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir A. F. | Carlile, William Walter | Evans, Sir F. H. (Maidstone) |
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Carson; Rt. Hon. Sir E. H. | Fardell, Sir T. George |
| Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel | Causton, Richard Knight | Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn E. |
| Anson, Sir William Reynell | Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lancs.) | Fergusson, R. C. M. (Leith) |
| Archdale, Edward Mervyn | Cavendish, V. C. W. (Dby'shire) | Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r |
| Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. | Cecil, E. (Aston Manor) | Fielden, Edward B. |
| Arrol, Sir William | Cecil, Lord H. (Greenwich) | Finch, George H. |
| Asher, Alexander | Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. (Birm. | Finlay, Sir Robert B. |
| Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herbert H. | Chamberlain, J. A. (Worc'r) | Fisher, William Hayes |
| Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John | Chaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry | FitzGerald, Sir Robert P. |
| Austin, Sir John | Charrington, Spencer | Fitzroy, Hon. Edward A. |
| Bain, Col. James Robert | Churchill, Winston Spencer | Flannery, Sir Fortescue |
| Balcarres, Lord | Coghill, Douglas Harry | Fletcher, Rt. Hon. Sir H. |
| Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'r) | Cohen, Benjamin Louis | Flower, Ernest |
| Balfour, Rt. Hon. G. W. (Leeds) | Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse | Forster, Herny William |
| Banbury, Frederick George | Colomb, Sir John C. R. | Foster, Sir W. (Derby Co.) |
| Barry, Sir F. T. (Windsor) | Colston, Chas. E. H. A. | Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry |
| Bartley, George C. T. | Corbett, A. C. (Glasgow) | Fuller, J. M. F. |
| Bathurst, Hon. Allen B. | Craig, Robert Hunter | Galloway, William Johnson |
| Beach, Rt. Hon. Sir M. H. | Cranborne, Viscount | Gardner, Ernest |
| Bentinck, Lord Henry C. | Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) | Garfit, William |
| Bignold, Arthur | Cross, H. S. (Bolton) | Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H. (C. of L.) |
| Blundell, Col. Henry | Dalkeith, Earl of | Gibbs, Hon. V. (St. Albans) |
| Boulnois, Edmund | Dalrymple, Sir Charles | Godson, Sir Augustus F. |
| Bowles, Capt. H. F. (Midd'x) | Davies, M. V. (Cardigan) | Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin&Nairn) |
| Bowles, T. G. (King's Lynn) | Denny, Colonel | Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.) |
| Brand, Hon. Arthur G. | Dewar, J. A. (Inverness-sh.) | Gore, Hon. S. F. O. (Linc.) |
| Brigg, John | Dickson, Charles Scott | Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir J. E. |
| Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John | Digby, J. K. D. Wingfield- | Goulding, Edward Alfred |
| Brookfield, Col. Montagu | Dimsdale, Sir Joseph C. | Green, W. D. (Wednesbury) |
| Brown, G. M. (Edinburgh) | Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph | Greene, Sir E. W. (B'rySEd'mds |
| Bryce, Rt. Hon. James | Dorington, Sir John Edward | Gretton, John |
| Brymer, William Ernest | Doughty, George | Greville, Hon. Roland |
| Bullard, Sir Harry | Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- | Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton |
| Burdett-Coutts, W. | Dunn, Sir William | Halsey, Thomas Frederick |
| Buxton, Sydney Charles | Durning-Lawrence, Sir E. | Hamilton, Rt Hn Lord G. (Mid'x |
| Caldwell, James | Dyke, Rt. Hon. Sir W. H. | Hamilton, Marq. of (Lnd'derry |
| Campbell, Rt. Hn. J. A. (Glasgow | Elliot, Hon. A. Ralph D. | Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Sir W. |
| Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. | Emmott, Alfred | Hare, Thomas Leigh |
| Haslam, Sir Alfred S. | M'Calmont, Col. J. (Antrim, E. | Saunderson, Rt. Hon. Col. E. J. |
| Hatch, Ernest Frederick G. | M'Iver, Sir L. (Edinburgh, W. | Seely, Capt. J. E. B. (I. of Wight) |
| Hayne, Rt. Hon. Chrrles S. | Majendie, James A. H. | Sharpe, William Edward T. |
| Hayter, Rt. Hon. Sir A. D. | Manners, Lord Cecil | Shaw-Stewart, M. H. (Renfrew) |
| Heaton, John Henniker | Maple, Sir John Blundell | Simeon, Sir Barrington |
| Helder, Augustus | Mappin, Sir Frederick T. | Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East) |
| Hemphill, Rt. Hon. C. H. | Maxwell, J. W. H. (Dumfriesh. | Smith, H. C. (North'mb. Tynes'e |
| Hermon-Hodge, Robert T. | Mellor, Rt. Hon. John W. | Smith, J. P. (Lanarks) |
| Higginbottom, S. W. | Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M. | Spencer, Rt Hn C. R. (Northants |
| Hoare, Sir Samuel | Milvain, Thomas | Spencer, Sir E. (W. Bromwich) |
| Holland, William Henry | Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) | Stanley, Hon. A. (Ormskirk) |
| Hope, J. F. (S'field, Brightside | More, R. J. (Shropshire) | Stanley, Lord (Lancs.) |
| Hornby, Sir William Henry | Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen | Stewart, Sir M. J. M'Taggart |
| Horner, Frederick William | Morrison, James Archibald | Stock, James Henry |
| Houldsworth, Sir W. H. | Morton, A. H. A. (Deptford) | Stone, Sir Benjamin |
| Hoult, Joseph | Moss, Samuel | Stroyan, John |
| Hozier, Hon. J. H. C. | Mowbray, Sir Robt. Gray C. | Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier |
| Hudson, George Bickersteth | Muntz, Philip A. | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) |
| Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C. | Murray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute) | Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Oxf'd Univ. |
| Jackson, Rt. Hon. W. L. | Myers, William Henry | Tennant, Harold John |
| Jacoby, James Alfred | Nicol, Donald Ninian | Thomas, Alf. (Glamorgan, E.) |
| Jeffreys, Arthur Frederick | Norman, Henry | Thomas, David Alf. (Merthyr) |
| Johnston, William (Belfast) | Palmer, Walter (Salisbury) | Thomas, F. Freeman- (Hastings) |
| Johnstone, H. (Sussex) | Paulton, James Mellor | Thomas, J. A (Glamorgan, Gower |
| Joicey, Sir James | Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) | Thorburn, Sir Walter |
| Kearley, Hudson E. | Penn, John | Thornton, Percy M. |
| Kennaway, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. | Percy, Earl | Tomkinson, James |
| Kenyon, Hon. G. T. (Denbigh) | Pilkington, Lieut.-Col. R. | Tomlinson, Wm. E. Murray |
| Kenyon-Slaney, Col. W. (Salop) | Platt-Higgins, Frederick | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
| Kinloch, Sir John G. S. | Plummer, Walter R. | Tritton, Charles Ernest |
| Knowles, Lees | Powell, Sir Francis Sharp | Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward |
| Langley, Batty | Pretyman, Ernest George | Valentia, Viscount |
| Law, Andrew Bonar | Pryce-Jones, Lieut.-Col. E. | Vincent, Col. Sir C E H (Sheffield |
| Lawrence, J. (Monmouth) | Pym, C. Guy | Walker, Col. William Hall |
| Lawrence, W. F. (Liverpool) | Rankin, Sir James | Warr, Augustus Frederick |
| Lawson, John Grant | Rasch, Major Frederic Carne | Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney |
| Layland-Barratt, Francis | Reid, James (Greenock) | Welby, Lt.-Col. A. C E (Taunton |
| Lecky, Rt. Hon. W. E. H. | Reid, Sir R. T. (Dumfries) | Wharton, Rt. Hon. J. L. |
| Lee, A. H. (Hants., Fareham) | Remnant, James Farquharson | Whiteley, H. (Ashton und. Lyne |
| Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington) | Renshaw, Charles Bine | Whitmore, Chas. Algernon |
| Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage | Ridley, Hon. M. W. (Stalybridge | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer |
| Leveson-Gower, F. N. S. | Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Green | Williams, Osmond (Merioneth) |
| Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R. | Ritchie, Rt. Hon. C. Thomson | Willoughby de Eresby, Lord |
| Loder, Gerald W. E. | Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) | Wilson, A. S. (York, E. R.) |
| Long, Col. C. W. (Evesham) | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs) | Wilson, John (Falkirk) |
| Long, Rt. Hon. W. (Bristol, S.) | Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) | Wilson, John (Glasgow) |
| Lough, Thomas | Robson, William Snowdon | Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks) |
| Lowther, Rt. Hon. J. (Kent) | Ropner, Colonel Robert | Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath) |
| Loyd, Archie Kirkman | Rothschild, Hon. Lionel Walter | Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart- |
| Lucas, Col. F. (Lowestoft) | Round, James | Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George |
| Lucas, R. J. (Portsmouth) | Russell, T. W. | |
| MacIver, David (Liverpool) | Rutherford, John | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| Maconochie, A. W. | Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford- | Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther. |
| M'Calmont, Col. H. L. B. (Cambs | Samuel, Harry S. (Limehouse) | |
| NOES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Cork, N. E. | Condon, Thomas Joseph | Gilhooly, James |
| Allan, William (Gateshead) | Crean, Eugene | Grant, Corrie |
| Barlow, John Emmot | Crombie, John William | Hammond, John |
| Barry, E. (Cork, S.) | Cullinan, J. | Hayden, John Patrick |
| Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) | Dalziel, James Henry | Hope, J. D. (Fife, West) |
| Bell, Richard | Delany, William | Jones, D. B. (Swansea) |
| Blake, Edward | Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles | Jordan, Jeremiah |
| Boland, John | Dillon, John | Joyce, Michael |
| Boyle, James | Donelan, Capt. A. | Kennedy, Patrick James |
| Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson | Doogan, P. C. | Lewis, John Herbert |
| Burke, E. Haviland- | Duncan, J. Hastings | Lundon, W. |
| Caine, William Sproston | Esmonde, Sir Thomas | MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A. |
| Cameron, Robert | Farrell, James Patrick | MacNeill, John Gordon Swift |
| Cawley, Frederick | Fenwick, Charles | M'Fadden, Edward |
| Channing, Francis Allston | Ffreneh, Peter | M'Hugh, Patrick A. |
| Clancy, John Joseph | Field, William | M'Kenna, Reginald |
| Cogan, Denis J. | Flynn, James Christopher | M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) |
| Mooney, John J. | O'Mara, James | Sullivan, Donal |
| Murphy, John | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. | Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.) |
| Nannetti, Joseph P. | O'Shee, James John | Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan) |
| Nolan, Joseph (Louth, S.) | Pirie, Duncan V. | White, George (Norfolk) |
| O'Brien, James, F. X. (Cork) | Power, Patrick Joseph | White, Luke (York, E. R.) |
| O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid) | Price, Robert John | White, Patrick (Meath, N.) |
| O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Reddy, M. | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax). |
| O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) | Redmond, J. E. (Waterford) | Wilson, Chas. H. (Hull, W.) |
| O'Connor, J. (Wicklow, W.) | Robertson, Edmund (Dundee) | Woodhouse, Sir J. T. (Hudder'fd |
| O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) | Roche, John | Yoxall, James Henry |
| O'Donnell, John (Mayo. S.) | Runciman, Walter | |
| O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.) | Scott, C. Prestwich (Leigh) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES— |
| O'Dowd, John | Sheehan, Daniel Daniel | Mr. Broadhurst and Capt. Norton. |
| O'Kelly, J. (Roscommon, N.) | Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) | |
| O'Malley, William | Soares, Ernest J. |
§ Standing Order No. 83 (Office of Speaker), as finally amended, is as follows:—
§ That whenever the House shall be informed by the Clerk at the Table of the unavoidable absence of Mr. Speaker, the Chairman of the Committee of Ways and Means do perform the duties and exercise the authority of Speaker in relation to all proceedings of this House, as Deputy Speaker, until the next meeting of the House, aud so on from day to day, on the like information being given to the House, until the House shall otherwise order: Provided that if the House shall adjourn for more than Twenty-four hours, the Deputy Speaker shall continue to perform the duties and exercise the authority of Speaker for Twenty-four hours only after such adjournment.
§ At the commencement of every Parliament, or from time to time, as necessity may arise, the House may appoint a Deputy Chairman, who shall, whenever the House is informed by the Clerk at the Table of the unavoidable absence of the Chairman of Ways and Means, be entitled to exercise all the powers vested in the Chairman of Ways and Means, including his powers as Deputy Speaker.
§ SIR. H. CAMPBELL-BANNERMAN (Stirling Burghs)I do not know whether I should be in order in asking two Questions which I venture to address to the right hon. Gentleman the Leader of the House. The first is, whether the consent of the Crown has been received, which, I believe, according to precedent, is necessary, to this additional appointment under the Standing Orders.
§ MR. SPEAKERThe Question has been put from the Chair, and disposed of.
§ SIR H. CAMPBELL-BANNERMANI began by saying that I was merely going to put two Questions. I was not rising to make a Motion. I will put the Questions tomorrow.
§ MR. SPEAKERIt is inconvenient to ask a Question after the Question has been disposed of. Before I call upon the right hon. Gentleman to move the Amendment on the Paper, I wish to point out that there is on the Table an Amendment to apply, partly to the Standing Order, and partly to the first Amendment of Standing Order 21. The Amendment at the top of page 3, in the name of the hon. Member for East Mayo, is to add to end of line 12,
Provided always, that no Member shall be required to write a letter expressing his regret, unless he has, before his suspension has been voted by the House, been heard in his own defence for a time not exceeding ten minutes.That Amendment I shall rule out of order, if it is proposed, because the Amendment to which it is moved as an Amendment deals only with the penalty, and not at all with the procedure prior to the naming of the Member, and therefore, the Consequential Amendment is also out of order.
§ (4.48.) MR. JOHN DILLON (Mayo, East)on a Question of order said that hon. Members would see that the procedure under these Resolutions was difficult, and raised numerous questions of Order. Mr. Speaker would perhaps allow him to say why he thought his Amendment was in order. It was quite true that the Amendment of the First Lord to the Standing Order did not deal with procedure, but only with the amount of the penalty; but he contended that when Standing Order 21 was originally con- 1015 sidered in the House, the procedure was made dependent on the amount of the penalty, and he thought it would be in order to move an Amendment to a portion of the Standing Order not touched by the Amendment of the First Lord, if it could be shown that it was in the nature of a Consequential Amendment.
§ MR. SPEAKERI think the hon. Member is going beyond the point of order; he is proceeding to argue his Amendment. I agree that questions of considerable difficulty are being raised in the course of this discussion, but I am quite clear that this Amendment will not be in order. If it were admitted, it would open the whole of the preceding Standing Order to discussion on the question of whether the penalty should be inflicted.
§ MR. JOHN DILLONI will leave it where it is.