§ MR. E. J. C. MORTON (Devonport)asked whether, supposing the Debate on the financial Resolution went over that day, he was able to undertake that the Government would not take to-morrow.
§ THE FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURYI really am unable to entertain the hypothesis for a moment. [Laughter and cheers.]
§ THE FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY, rising again, moved:—
That the order for the Committee on 'Voluntary Schools (Aid Grant, Etc.)' have precedence this day of the notices of motion and other Orders of the Day.He thought this was a motion that would need no justification from him. [Opposition cries of "Oh."] He much regretted that his hon. Friend who, by the fortune of the ballot, was the happy possessor of the first place that day, should be disappointed by the proposal to take the time for Government business. But it must be remembered that they were, after all, only discussing what was commonly regarded and what ought to be regarded as a purely formal stage in the procedure of bringing in a Bill, and which was quite independent of the discussions on the Second Reading and Committee stages of the Bill. In addition to the opportunity now afforded there would be an opportunity for some discussion on the Report of the Resolution. In the circumstances they ought not to delay long coming to a conclusion upon this, the first Parliamentary stage in the discussion of the Education Measure. ["Hear, hear."]
§ MR. JOHN ELLIS (Notts,) Rushcliffethought the motion did require further justification than the right hon. Gentleman had vouchsafed. It was, in his opinion, both as regards the manner in which it had been brought forward and the period of the Session, most unusual, and he might almost say unprecedented. Mr. Speaker Shaw Lefevre said the Standing Orders ought to be so framed as to give reasonable certainty to their proceedings and prevent Members 1069 from being confronted with surprises. But there was a great element of surprise about this motion. It was not until midnight last night that the First Lord of the Treasury announced that he would make this Motion to interfere with the Standing Orders. He admitted that the Standing Orders as they stood at the beginning of the Session did not give the Government sufficient time. But that had been largely remedied by the new Sessional order relating to Supply, and the merit of that new Sessional order lay in its certainty. A great part of the unnecessary weariness experienced in the House arose from the element of uncertainty in their procedure. They all knew the farce that went on at the beginning of the Session of a number of Members bringing in Bills which everybody knew in the great majority of cases would never go any further. Much of their time was undoubtedly wasted owing to the element of uncertainty. [Cheers.] If the Rules of the House were so altered that they could know beforehand what was coming on and the time it would take they would leave at the end of the Session with a better conscience as to the work they had done. Many hon. Members were engaged in important affairs outside and could not come every day. It would be an evil day when the House did not contain men in contact with the great philanthropic, social, industrial, and commercial currents which made up our national life. Their advice as experts was very important, and it was most inconvenient to them that the business of the House should be altered at short notice as it often was. If a return were made of the telegrams which the Party Whips had to dispatch, often at a moment's notice, to bring Members up from the country it would be an object lesson in the uncertainty of their proceedings. ["Hear, hear."] The Leader of the House gave away the whole case last night in regard to his Motion when he said there was no particular reason the Bill should be passed by a particular date.
§ THE FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURYBut there is the strongest reason why it should be through by an early date.
§ MR. JOHN ELLISBut the "time limit" had vanished. Why, therefore, 1070 make this raid on the Standing Orders and the rights of Members? He emphatically protested against this Motion, because it contained the element of uncertainty with which they were already too familiar, it was unfair to hon. Members who had Motions on the Paper, and there was no necessity for it. (Cheers.)
§ MR. HENRY LABOUCHERE (Northampton)said that when a Minister took away a day he should make it clear that he was justified in doing so, in the interests not only of the Government but of the business of the House. He agreed that when the principal Bill of the Session was before the House it should be discussed de die in diem. The Leader of the House had said he could not contemplate the hypothesis of the Debate lasting over that night. But he would make that hypothesis impossible by moving the clause. That evening there was a most important question with regard to Peers. On the Radical side of the House they took the deepest interest in Peers. [Laughter.] Yet the Leader of the House waved the subject away as though absolutely nothing. Private Members ought not to lose their days through the idiosyncrasies of a Minister. If the Debate did not finish that night, would it go on de die in diem?
§ MR. EDWIN LAWRENCE (Cornwall, Truro)said there was no hurry for the Education Resolution, and he protested against being deprived of bringing on a subject which excited the greatest interest amongst his constituents.
§ SIR WILLIAM HARCOURT (Monmouthshire, W.)I have on many occasions, from the front Bench, on whichever side of the House I have sat, supported Motions for taking away days, under certain conditions, from private Members, and as the Member for Truro has said, if the question before the House had been an urgent matter on which it was necessary at the earliest opportunity to come to a decision, I think I should again have supported the Government. But it is perfectly obvious that that is not the case. It was fully explained last night that this was to be a permanent Measure which is by its magnitude ultimately to compensate people for their present disappointments. I think that was the light in 1071 which the right hon. Gentleman put it. At midnight last night, he said he would much rather to-day he discussing the questions now on the Paper in regular order than he would be discussing the Education Bill. After the Debate of last night, I am not surprised at that statement. [Opposition cheers.] The right hon. Gentleman said the Debate had produced upon him a sense of nausea—[laughter]—that there been had a repetition of arguments ad nauseam, and he added that there were very important Motions on the Paper for the consideration of the House to-day. It is quite true. There is a very interesting Motion by the hon. Member for Sheffield. It is a Motion of great importance which affects the whole finance of the country. It proposed to put a 10 per cent. ad valorem duty upon all manufactures—[laughter]—and a 5 per cent. duty upon all partly manufactured goods. Well, Sir, that is a large order. [Laughter.] We should have been extremely glad to know the opinions of the Gentlemen opposite upon it, and the decision of the Government. I quite agree with the First Lord of the Treasury that it would have been of the deepest interest to discuss a question of that kind, especially as out of the proceeds it is proposed to finally provide for old-age pensions. No doubt the Resolution will command the support of the Colonial Secretary. [Laughter.] As the Education Bill, in its present form, is not urgent, it would he a pity to lose so interesting a discussion. The First Lord of the Treasury had deprecated prolonged discussion on this stage of the Financial Resolution, but the right hon. Gentleman opened the whole policy of the Bill on the Resolution, and it was upon the Resolution that we discussed the Bill on Monday night and will continue to discuss it. It is extremely important that the country should have time to form an opinion on this Bill. Probably there is no subject in which the country at large is more deeply interested than this question of education, or which it more thoroughly understands, and before we divide on the Resolution in Committee of Supply, which is practically speaking hereafter to shut out the question of the Board Schools, ought not the country to have an opportunity of knowing what we are doing here? It is not as if this Resolution, as in the case of 1072 most Resolutions in Committee, had no final or ulterior operation. I am not charging the Government with any evil design in the form of the Resolution. But no one can deny that when this Resolution is passed the effect will be to exclude this House from considering the claims put forward on their behalf. I must protest against any attempt, therefore, to force through the House a resolution of that character without giving ample time to the country to know what is the policy of the Government in this respect. The country also should have an opportunity of expressing its opinion as to a scheme of education which in its present form excludes the Board Schools of the country from any share of the public money which is to be voted by the Bill. When it is proposed, therefore, to displace the only business of the House and that almost on the threshold of the Session, for the purpose of hurrying on a scheme which ought not to be hurried on, I say that the scheme ought to be amply considered both in the House and out of it before we have reached the conclusive stage. I think that is the strongest reason why we ought not to take resolutions with an unusual dispatch which will exclude the entire question from debate. But, in addition to the House and the country, there is another body who ought to be glad of a little leisure to reflect on this Bill, and that is the Government itself. [Cheers.] I heard in the House last night warning voices addressed to the Government from their supporters behind, and I have seen in the Press this morning still stronger warnings from their best friends. Why then should not the Government take a day or two to think whether or not they were pressing their scheme on the country in a form which will be acceptable to it? I think, in the circumstances of this case, and especially of a case which requires leisure and reflection and which demands no immediate decision, that it is most unwise to disturb the present arrangements of the House, and therefore I shall vote against the Motion of the right hon. Gentleman. [Cheers.]
§ THE FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURYThe right hon. Gentleman, following the lead of my hon. Friend 1073 the Member for the Truro Division, has stated that his reason for objecting to the Motion is that there, is no reason for proceeding rapidly with the Bill. I dissent entirely from that. [Cheers.] I dissent from it on two distinct grounds. I dissent from it partly on a ground which the House will understand when it sees the printed Hill, that it is very important in the interests of the Voluntary Schools that the Measure should become law at the earliest possible date. [Cheers.] I dissent from the statement in the second place, on the ground that it must be manifest to everyone that if an inordinate length of time is occupied by the discussion of the relief to be given to Voluntary Schools, it will be impossible to find time for the other scheme dealing with necessitous Board Schools. [Ironical laughter and cheers.] The right hon. Gentleman appeared to think that the Government had hastily adopted unexpected policy in thus separating the discussion of Voluntary Schools from other questions connected with education. I have stated that was the policy of the Government two or three times at least in the most formal and explicit manner in public, and in a mode which any hon. Member might understand. That being so, it is manifest, if the House is really seriously desirous that we should take up the second branch of relief to which I have referred, it is not a wise suggestion that we should spend days in meditating on this Bill and in wasting time which ought to be occupied in getting on with it. I hope hon. Gentlemen who are desirous to relieve Voluntary Schools or Board Schools will assist the Government by their vote and speech—and sometimes by the absence of their speeches [cheers and laughter]—to get this Bill through as soon as possible. I shall never be a party to the dilatory proceedings which the right hon. Gentleman appears to sanction by his speech, and which he is going to sanction by his vote. [Cheers.]
§ MR. HENRY BROADHURST (Leicester), who spoke amid loud cries of "Divide," said that if hon. Gentlemen opposite had the same experience of the necessity for more piers and harbours as the hon. Member for Truro they would attach considerable importance to the Motion. The lives of thousands of their fellow countrymen were involved in the consideration of the hon. Member's 1074 Motion; and if there was no great urgency for the Education Bill, the right hon. Gentleman should allow one night, at any rate, to be devoted to the safety of our fishing and sea-going population. ["Hear, hear!"] If the request was not granted, however, he hoped that these people would note that they had been deprived of their opportunity by the Government in order to hasten on the work of dipping hands into the public-purse to satisfy their clerical supporters. ["Oh, oh!" and cheers.] He invited the Leader of the House to withdraw the proposal of a grant for Voluntary Schools, and to associate necessitous Board Schools with them in one Resolution. If this were done, a great deal of support would be obtained from the Opposition Benches. It was nothing short of monstrous that the right hon. Gentleman should make this Motion in the first fortnight of the Session, and he suggested the right hon. Gentleman should give an assurance that if the Resolution was passed that evening he would continue the Education Debate to-morrow. He was grieved to find also that the House had sat until nearly 1 o'clock the previous morning. If some Members of the Opposition supported the proposal of the right hon. Gentleman, would he give a definite pledge that the House should not in any circumstances be kept sitting after midnight? [Laughter and "Oh, oh!"] After 12 or half-past 12 o'clock a considerable number of Members could not take part in the business of the I House because it was next to impossible for them to reach their homes after that hour. If the right hon. Gentleman would accept this offer he should consider whether it would not be his duty to stay his opposition to the Motion. [Cries of "Divide."]
§ MR. T. LOUGH (Islington, W.)recalled the words of the Leader of the House last Friday, when he said "he could not promise to take no Tuesday before Whitsuntide, but he would be glad to preserve any reasonable number of Tuesdays," and said that here the right hon. Gentleman was nevertheless taking the first private Members' Tuesday of the Session. In view of the opposition on their own side of the House to their education scheme, and the figures of the Romford poll, the Government would do wisely to take 1075 time to reconsider their extraordinary position.
§ MR. J. G. WEIR (Ross and Cromarty)rose to address the House amid renewed cries of "Divide," when
§ THE FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURYrose in his place, and
§ claimed to move, "That the Question be now put."
§ Question put, "That the Question be now put."—The House divided:—Ayes, 259; Noes, 143.—(Division List—No. 10—appended.)
1079| AYES. | ||
| Aird, John | Dane, Richard M. | Hobhouse, Henry |
| Allhusen, Augustus Henry Eden | Darling, Charles John | Holland, Hon. Lionel Raleigh |
| Ambrose, William (Middlesex) | Denny, Colonel | Hopkinson, Alfred |
| Arnold, Alfred | Digby, John K. D. Wingfield- | Houldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry |
| Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. | Dixon, George | Howard, Joseph |
| Arrol, Sir William | Dixon-Hartland, Sir Fred. Dixon | Howell, William Tudor |
| Ashmead-Bartlett, Sir Ellis | Dorington, Sir John Edward | Howorth, Sir Henry Hoyle |
| Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John | Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- | Hubbard, Hon. Evelyn |
| Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy | Doxford, William Theodore | Hudson, George Bickersteth |
| Bailey, James (Walworth) | Drage, Geoffrey | Hunt, Sir Frederick Seager |
| Baillie, James E. B. (Inverness) | Drucker, A. | Isaacson, Frederick Wootton |
| Baird, John George Alexander | Duncombe, Hon. Hubert V. | Jebb, Richard Claverhouse |
| Balcarres, Lord | Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William Hart | Jeffreys, Arthur Frederick |
| Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manch'r) | Edwards, Gen. Sir James Bevan | Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton |
| Balfour, Gerald William (Leeds) | Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton | Johnston, William (Belfast) |
| Banbury, Frederick George | Engledow, Charles John | Johnstone, John H. (Sussex) |
| Banes, Major George Edward | Fardell, Thomas George | Kemp, George |
| Barnes, Frederic Gorell | Farquhar, Sir Horace | Kennaway, Rt. Hon. Sir John H. |
| Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin | Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward | Kenny, William |
| Beach, Rt. Hon. Sir M. H. (Bristol) | Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r) | Kenrick, William |
| Beach, W. W. Bramston (Hants.) | Finch, George H. | King, Sir Henry Seymour |
| Bentinck, Lord Henry C. | Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne | Knowles, Lees |
| Bethell, Captain | Firbank, Joseph Thomas | Lafone, Alfred |
| Big wood, James | Fisher, William Hayes | Laurie, Lieut.-General |
| Bill, Charles | FitzGerald, Sir R. U. Penrose | Lawrence, Edwin (Cornwall) |
| Blundell, Colonel Henry | Fitz Wygram, General Sir F. | Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool) |
| Bonsor, Henry Cosmo Orme | Flannery, Fortescue | Lawson, John Grant (Yorks.) |
| Boscawen, Arthur Griffith- | Flower, Ernest | Lecky, William Edward H. |
| Boulnois, Edmund | Folkestone, Viscount | Lees, Elliott (Birkenhead) |
| Bowles, Capt. H. F. (Middlesex) | Forster, Henry William | Llewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Swnsea) |
| Bowles, T. Gibson (King's Lynn) | Forwood, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur B. | Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R. (Essex) |
| Brassey, Albert | Foster, Colonel (Lancaster) | Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine |
| Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John | Galloway, William Johnson | Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham) |
| Brookfield, A. Montagu | Garfit, William | Long, Rt. Hon. Walter (L'pool.) |
| Brown, Alexander H. | Gibbs, Hn. A. G. H. (City of Lond.) | Lorne, Marquess of |
| Carew, James Laurence | Gibbs, Hon. Vicary (St. Albans) | Loyd, Archie Kirkman |
| Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lancs.) | Giles, Charles Tyrrell | Lucas-Shadwell, William |
| Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire) | Gilliat, John Saunders | Macartney, W. G. Ellison |
| Cecil, Lord Hugh | Goldsworthy, Major-General | Macdona, John Cumming |
| Chaloner, Captain R. G. W. | Gordon, John Edward | Maclean, James Mackenzie |
| Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm.) | Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon | Maclure, John William |
| Chamberlain J. Austen (Worc'r) | Goschen, Rt. Hon. G. J. (St. G'rg's) | McCalmont, Mj.-Gen (Antr'mN) |
| Chaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry | Goschen, George J. (Sussex) | Malcolm, Ian |
| Charrington, Spencer | Goulding, Edward Alfred | Marks, Henry Hananel |
| Chelsea, Viscount | Graham, Henry Robert | Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire) |
| Clarke, Sir Edward (Plymouth) | Gray, Ernest (West Ham) | Melville, Beresford Valentine |
| Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. | Green, Walford D. (Wednesb'y) | Milbank, Powlett Charles John |
| Coddington, Sir William | Gretton, John | Milward, Colonel Victor |
| Coghill, Douglas Harry | Gull, Sir Cameron | Monckton, Edward Philip |
| Cohen, Benjamin Louis | Hall, Sir Charles | Moon, Edward Robert Pacy |
| Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse | Halsey, Thomas Frederick | More, Robert Jasper |
| Compton, Lord Alwyne (Beds.) | Hamilton, Rt. Hon. Lord Geo. | Mowbray, Rt. Hon. Sir John |
| Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth) | Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert Wm. | Muntz, Philip A. |
| Cooke, C. W. Radcliffe (Hereford) | Hanson, Sir Reginald | Murdoch, Charles Townshend |
| Courtney, Rt. Hon. Leonard H. | Hare, Thomas Leigh | Murray, Rt. Hn. A. G raham (Bute) |
| Cox, Robert | Heath, James | Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) |
| Cranborne, Viscount | Helder, Augustus | Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) |
| Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton) | Hermon-Hodge, Robert Trotter | Nicol, Donald Ninian |
| Currie, Sir Donald | Hill, Rt. Hn. Lord Arthur (Down) | Northcote, Hon. Sir H. Stafford |
| Curzon, Rt. Hn. G. N. (Lancs. S W.) | Hill, Rt. Hn. A. Staveley (Staffs.) | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) |
| Curzon, Viscount (Bucks.) | Hoare, Edw. Brodie (Hampstead) | O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens |
| Dalbiac, Major Philip Hugh | Hoare, Samuel (Norwich) | Orr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay |
| Pease, Arthur (Darlington) | Seton-Karr, Henry | Webster, Sir R. E. (I. of W.) |
| Pender, James | Sharpe, William Edward T. | Welby, Lieut.-Col. A. C. E. |
| Penn, John | Sidebottom, William (Derbysh.) | Wharton, John Lloyd |
| Phillpotts, Captain Arthur | Simeon, Sir Barrington | Whiteley, George (Stockport) |
| Pierpoint, Robert | Smith, Abel (Herts) | Whiteley, H. (Ashton-under-L.) |
| Platt-Higgins, Frederick | Smith, Abel H. (Christchurch) | Whitmore, Charles Algernon |
| Plunkett, Hon. Horace Curzon | Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand) | Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset) |
| Pollock, Harry Frederick | Spencer, Ernest | Williams, Joseph Powell-(Birm.) |
| Powell, Sir Francis Sharp | Stanley, Lord (Lancs.) | Willoughby de Eresby, Lord |
| Pretyman, Capt. Ernest George | Stanley, Edw. Jas. (Somerset) | Willox, John Archibald |
| Pryce-Jones, Edward | Stanley, Henry M. (Lambeth) | Wilson, John (Falkirk) |
| Purvis, Robert | Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart | Wilson, J. W. (Worc'sh. N.) |
| Rankin, James | Strauss, Arthur | Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.) |
| Rasch, Major Frederic Carne | Strut, Hon. Charles Hedley | Wodehouse, Edmond R. (Bath) |
| Renshaw, Charles Bine | Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier | Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm |
| Ridley, Rt. Hn. Sir Matthew W. | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) | Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart- |
| Ritchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. Thomson | Talbot, John G. (Oxford Un.) | Wyndham, George |
| Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) | Taylor, Francis | Wyndham-Quin, Major W. H. |
| Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye | Thorburn, Walter | Wyvill, Marmnduke D'Arcy |
| Round, James | Tomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray | Younger, William |
| Russell, Col. F. S. (Cheltenham) | Tritton, Charles Ernest | |
| Russell, T. W. (Tyrone) | Usborne, Thomas | TELLERS FOR THE AYES, Sir |
| Samuel, Harry S. (Limehouse) | Verney, Hon. Richard Greville | William Walrond and Mr. |
| Saunderson, Col. Edw. James | Warde, Lt.-Col. C. E. (Kent) | Anstruther |
| Scoble, Sir Andrew Richard | Waring, Col. Thomas | |
| Seely, Charles Hilton | Warr, Augustus Frederick | |
| NOES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Rhondda) | Flynn, James Christopher | McLaren, Charles Benjamin |
| Acland, Rt. Hon. A. H. Dyke | Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) | McLeod, John |
| Allan, William (Gateshead) | Fowler, Rt. Hn. Sir Hy. (Wol'tn) | Mappin, Sir Frederick Thorpe |
| Arch, Joseph | Fowler, Matthew (Durham) | Mellor, Rt. Hn. J. W. (Yorks.) |
| Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herbert Henry | Gilhooly, James | Morgan, Rt. Hn. Sir G. O. (Denbs.) |
| Atherley-Jones, L. | Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herbert John | Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) |
| Austin, Sir John (Yorkshire) | Goddard, Daniel Ford | Morley, Charles (Breconshire) |
| Austin, M. (Limerick, W.) | Gold, Charles | Morley, Rt. Hn. John (Montrose) |
| Bainbridge, Emerson | Gourley, Sir Edward Temperley | Morton, Edward John Chalmers |
| Baker, Sir John | Griffith, Ellis J. | Mundella, Rt. Hn. Anthony John |
| Barlow, John Emmot | Haldane, Richard Burdon | Nussey, Thomas Willans |
| Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) | Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Sir William | O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork) |
| Beaumont, Wentworth C. B. | Harrison, Charles | O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.) |
| Blake, Edward | Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale | O'Kelly, James |
| Broadhurst, Henry | Hazell, Walter | Oldroyd, Mark |
| Bryce, Rt. Hon. James | Hedderwick, Thomas Chas. H. | O'Malley, William |
| Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn | Hogan, James Francis | Paulton, James Mellor |
| Burt, Thomas | Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C. | Pease, Joseph A. (Northumb.) |
| Buxton, Sydney Charles | Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) | Perks, Robert William |
| Caldwell, James | Jacoby, James Alfred | Pickersgill, Edward Hare |
| Causton, Richard Knight | Joicey, Sir James | Pirie, Captain Duncan Vernon |
| Cawley, Frederick | Jones, David Brynmor (Swansea) | Priestley, Briggs (Yorks) |
| Channing, Francis Allston | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) | Reckitt, Harold James |
| Colville, John | Kay-Shuttleworth, Rt. Hn. Sir U. | Reid, Sir Robert T. |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | Kearley, Hudson E. | Rickett, J. Compton |
| Crean, Eugene | Kilbride, Denis | Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) |
| Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal) | Kinloch, Sir John George Smyth | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs) |
| Daley, James | Labouchere, Henry | Robertson, Edmund (Dundee) |
| Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan) | Lambert, George | Robson, William Snowdon |
| Davies, W. Rees (Pembrokesh.) | Leese, Sir Joseph F. (Accrington) | Roche, Hon. James (East Kerry) |
| Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles | Leng, Sir John | Roche, John (East Galway) |
| Dillon, John | Leuty, Thomas Richmond | Schwann, Charles E. |
| Donelan, Captain A. | Lloyd-George, David | Scott, Charles Prestwich |
| Doogan, P. C. | Lockwood, Sir Frank (York) | Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B) |
| Doughty, George | Logan, John William | Sheehy, David |
| Dunn, Sir William | Lough, Thomas | Souttar, Robinson |
| Ellis, John Edward (Notts.) | Lowther, Rt. Hon. James (Kent) | Spicer, Albert |
| Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) | Luttrell, Hugh Fownes | Stanhope, Hon. Philip J. |
| Evans, Sir Francis H. (South'ton) | Macaleese, Daniel | Stevenson, Francis S. |
| Farquharson, Dr. Robert | MacNeill, John Gordon Swift | Strachey, Edward |
| Farrell, James P. (Cavan, W.) | McEwan, William | Sullivan, Donal (Westmeath) |
| Fenwick, Charles | M'Hugh, Patrick A. (Leitrim) | Tennant, Harold John |
| Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith) | McKenna, Reginald | Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E) |
| Thomas, Alfred (Glarnorgan, E.) | Wilson, Frederick W. (Norfolk) | Young, Samuel |
| Wallace, Robert (Perth) | Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.) | Yoxall, James Henry |
| Wayman, Thomas | Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.) | |
| Weir, James Galloway | Wilson, John (Govan) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES, Mr. |
| Whittaker, Thomas Palmer | Woodall, William | Thomas Ellis and Mr. |
| Williams, John Carvell (Notts.) | Woodhouse, Sir J. T. (Hud'rsfld) | McArthur. |
§ Question put accordingly:—The House divided—Ayes, 283; Noes, 123—(Division List—No. 11—appended.)
1083| AYES. | ||
| Aird, John | Cranborne, Viscount | Goschen, George J. (Sussex) |
| Allhusen, Augustus Henry Eden | Crean, Eugene | Goulding, Edward Alfred |
| Ambrose, William (Middlesex) | Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton) | Gray, Ernest (West Ham) |
| Arnold, Alfred | Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal) | Green, Walford D. (Wednesb'y) |
| Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. | Currie, Sir Donald | Gretton, John |
| Arrol, Sir William | Curzon, Rt. G. N. (Lanc. S. W.) | Hall, Sir Charles |
| Ashmead-Bartlett, Sir Ellis | Curzon, Viscount (Bucks.) | Halsey, Thomas Frederick |
| Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John | Dalbiac, Major Philip Hugh | Hamilton, Rt. Hon. Lord Geo. |
| Austin, M. (Limerick, W.) | Daly, James | Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert Wm. |
| Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy | Dane, Richard M. | Hanson, Sir Reginald |
| Bailey, James (Walworth) | Darling, Charles John | Hardy, Laurence |
| Baillie, James E. B. (Inverness) | Denny, Colonel | Hare, Thomas Leigh |
| Baird, John George Alexander | Digby, John K. D. Wingfield | Heath, James |
| Balcarres, Lord | Dillon, John | Helder, Augustus |
| Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Man.) | Dixon-Hartland, Sir Fred. Dixon | Hermon-Hodge, Robert Trotter |
| Balfour, Gerald William (Leeds) | Donelan, Captain A. | Hill, Rt. Hn. Lord Arthur (Down) |
| Banbury, Frederick George | Doogan, P. C. | Hill, Rt. Hn. A. Staveley (Staffs.) |
| Banes, Major George Edward | Dorington, Sir John Edward | Hoare, Edward Brodie (Hamps.) |
| Barnes, Frederick Gorell | Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- | Hoare, Samuel (Norwich) |
| Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin | Douglas-Pennant, Hon. E. S. | Hobhouse, Henry |
| Beach, Rt. Hon. Sir M. H. (Bristol) | Doxford, William Theodore | Hogan, James Francis |
| Beach, W. W. Bramston (Hants) | Drage, Geoffrey | Holland, Hon. Lionel Raleigh |
| Bentinck, Lord Henry C. | Drucker, A. | Hopkinson, Alfred |
| Bethell, Captain | Duncombe, Hon. Hubert V. | Houldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry |
| Bigwood, James | Dyke, Rt. Hon. Sir William Hart | Howard, Joseph |
| Bill, Charles | Edwards, Gen. Sir James Bevan | Howell, William Tudor |
| Blundell, Colonel Henry | Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton | Howorth, Sir Henry Hoyle |
| Bonsor, Henry Cosmo Orme | Engledow, Charles John | Hubbard, Hon. Evelyn |
| Boscawen, Arthur Griffith | Fardell, Thomas George | Hudson, George Bickersteth |
| Boulnois, Edmund | Farquhar, Sir Horace | Hunt, Sir Frederick Seager |
| Bowles, Capt. H. F. (Middlesex) | Farrell, James P. (Cavan, W.) | Isaacson, Frederick Wootton |
| Bowles, T. Gibson (King's Lynn) | Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward | Jebb, Richard Claverhouse |
| Brassey, Albert | Fergusson, Rt. Hon. Sir J. (Man.) | Jeffreys, Arthur Frederick |
| Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John | Finch, George H. | Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton |
| Brookfield, A. Montagu | Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne | Johnston, William (Belfast) |
| Brown, Alexander H. | Firbank, Joseph Thomas | Johnstone, John H. (Sussex) |
| Carew, James Lawrence | Fisher, William Hayes | Kemp, George |
| Carson, Edward | FitzGerald, Sir R. U. Penrose | Kennaway, Rt. Hon. Sir John H. |
| Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lanc.) | Fitz Wygram, General Sir F. | Kenny, William |
| Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire) | Flannery, Fortescue | Kenrick, William |
| Cecil, Lord Hugh | Fletcher, Sir Henry | Kilbride, Denis |
| Chaloner, Captain R. G. W. | Flower, Ernest | King, Sir Henry Seymour |
| Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. (Birm.) | Flynn, James Christopher | Knowles, Lees |
| Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r) | Folkestone, Viscount | Lafone, Alfred |
| Chaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry | Forster, Henry William | Laurie, Lieut.-General |
| Charrington, Spencer | Forwood, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur B. | Lawrence, Edwin (Cornwall) |
| Chelsea, Viscount | Foster, Colonel (Lancaster) | Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool) |
| Clarke, Sir Edward (Plymouth) | Fowler, Matthew (Durham) | Lawson, John Grant (Yorks.) |
| Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. | Galloway, William Johnson | Lecky, William Edward H. |
| Coddington, Sir William | Garfit, William | Lees, Elliott (Birkenhead) |
| Coghill, Douglas Harry | Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H. (City of Lon.) | Llewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Sivans'a) |
| Cohen, Benjamin Louis | Gibbs, Hon. Vicary (St. Albans) | Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R. (Essex) |
| Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse | Giles, Charles Tyrrell | Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine |
| Compton, Lord Alwyne (Beds.) | Gilhooly, James | Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham) |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | Gilliat, John Saunders | Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (L'pool.) |
| Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth) | Goldsworthy, Major-General | Lorne, Marquess of |
| Cooke, C. W. Radcliffe (Heref'd) | Gordon, John Edward | Loyd, Archie Kirkman |
| Courtney, Rt. Hon. Leonard H. | Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon | Lucas-Shadwell, William |
| Cox, Robert | Goschen, Rt. Hn. G. J. (St. G'rg's) | Macaleese, Daniel |
| Macartney, W. G. Ellison | Pollock, Harry Frederick | Sullivan, Donal (Westmeath) |
| Macdona, John Cumming | Powell, Sir Francis Sharp | Talbot, Lord, E. (Chichester) |
| Maclean, James Mackenzie | Pretyman, Capt. Ernest George | Talbot, John G. (Oxford Univ.) |
| Maclure, John William | Pryce-Jones, Edward | Taylor, Francis |
| MacNeill, John Gordon Swift | Purvis, Robert | Thorburn, Walter |
| McCalmont, Mj.-Gen. (Ant'm. N) | Rankin, James | Tomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray |
| McKillop, James | Rasch, Major Frederic Carne | Tritton, Charles Ernest |
| Malcolm, Ian | Renshaw, Charles Bine | Usborne, Thomas |
| Marks, Henry Hananel | Ridley, Rt. Hon. Sir Matthew W. | Verney, Hon. Richard Greville |
| Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire) | Ritchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. Thomson | Warde, Lt.-Col. C. E. (Kent) |
| Melville, Beresford Valentine | Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) | Waring, Col. Thomas |
| Milbank, Powlett Charles John | Roche, Hon. James (East Kerry) | Warr, Augustus Frederick |
| Milner, Sir Frederick George | Roche, John (East Galway) | Webster, Sir R. E. (Isle of Wight) |
| Milward, Colonel Victor | Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye | Welby, Lieut.-Col. A. C. E. |
| Monckton, Edward Philip | Round, James | Wharton, John Lloyd |
| Moon, Edward Robert Pacy | Russell, Col. F. S. (Cheltenham) | Whiteley, George (Stockport) |
| More, Robert Jasper | Russell, T. W. (Tyrone) | Whiteley, H. (Ashton-under-L.) |
| Mowbray, Rt. Hon. Sir John | Samuel, Harry S. (Limehouse) | Whitmore, Charles Algernon |
| Muntz, Philip A. | Saunderson, Col. Edw. James | Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset) |
| Murdoch, Charles Townshend | Savory, Sir Joseph | Williams, Joseph Powell-(Brm.) |
| Murray, Rt. Hn. A. Graham (Bute | Scoble, Sir Andrew Richard | Willoughby de Eresby, Lord |
| Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) | Seely, Charles Hilton | Willox, John Archibald |
| Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) | Sharpe, William Edward T. | Wilson, John (Falkirk) |
| Nicol, Donald Ninian | Sidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire) | Wilson, J. W. (Worc'sh. N.) |
| Northcote, Hon. Sir H. Stafford | Sidebottom, William (Derbysh.) | Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.) |
| O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork) | Simeon, Sir Barrington | Wodehouse, Edmond R. (Bath) |
| O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Smith, Abel (Herts) | Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm |
| O'Malley, William | Smith, Abel H. (Christchurch) | Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart- |
| O'Niell, Hon. Robert Torrens | Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand) | Wyndham, George |
| Orr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay | Spencer, Ernest | Wyndham-Quin, Major W. H. |
| Pease, Arthur (Darlington) | Stanley, Lord (Lancs.) | Wyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy |
| Pender, James | Stanley, Edw. Jas. (Somerset) | Younger, William |
| Penn, John | Stanley, Henry M. (Lambeth) | |
| Phillpotts, Captain Arthur | Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart | TELLERS FOR THE AYES, Sir |
| Pierpoint, Robert | Strauss, Arthur | William Walrond and |
| Platt-Higgina, Frederick | Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley | Mr. Anstruther. |
| Plunkett, Hon. Horace Curzon | Sturt, Hon. Humphrey Napier |
| NOES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Rhondda) | Farquaharson, Dr. Robert | Lloyd-George, David |
| Acland, Rt. Hon. Hon. A. H. Dyke | Fenwick, Charles | Lockwood, Sir Frank (York) |
| Allan, William (Gateshead) | Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith) | Logan, John William |
| Arch, Joseph | Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) | Lough, Thomas |
| Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herbert Henry | Fowler, Rt. Hn. Sir Henry (Wl'tn) | Lowther, Rt. Hon. James (Kent) |
| Atherley-Jones, L. | Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herbert John | Luttrell, Hugh Fownes |
| Austin, Sir John (Yorkshire) | Goddard, Daniel Ford | McArthur, William |
| Bainbridge, Emerson | Gold, Charles | McEwan, William |
| Baker, Sir John | Gourley, Sir Edward Temperley | M'Hugh, Patrick A. (Leitrim) |
| Barlow, John Emmott | Griffith, Ellis J. | McKenna, Reginald |
| Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) | Gull, Sir Cameron | McLaren, Charles Benjamin |
| Beaumont, Wentworth C. B. | Haldane, Richard Burdon | McLeod, John |
| Broadhuret, Henry | Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Sir William | Mappin, Sir Frederick Thorpe |
| Bryce, Rt. Hon. James | Harrison, Charles | Meller, Rt. Hon. J. W.(Yorks.) |
| Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn | Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale | Morgan, Rt. Hn. Sir G. O. (Denbs.) |
| Burt, Thomas | Hazell, Walter | Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) |
| Buxton, Sydney Charles | Hedderwick, Thomas Charles H. | Morley, Charles (Breconshire) |
| Caldwell, James | Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C. | Morley, Rt. Hn. John (Montrose) |
| Causton, Richard Knight | Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) | Morton, Edward John Chalmers |
| Cawley, Frederick | Jacoby, James Alfred | Mundella, Rt. Hn. Anthony John |
| Channing, Francis Allston | Joicey, Sir James | Nussey, Thomas Willans |
| Clark, Dr. G. B. (Caithness-sh.) | Jones, David Brynmor (Swansea) | O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork) |
| Colville, John | Jones, William, (Carnarvonsh're) | O'Kelly, James |
| Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan) | Kay-Shuttleworth, Rt. Hon. Sr. U | Oldroyd, Mark |
| Davies, W. Rees-(Pembrokesh.) | Kearley, Hudson E. | Paulton, James Mellor |
| Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles | Kinloch, Sir John George Smy the | Pease, Joseph A. (Northumb.) |
| Dixon, George | Labouchere, Henry | Perks, Robert William |
| Doughty, George | Lambert, George | Pickersgill, Edward Hare |
| Dunn, Sir William | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cumb'ld.) | Pirie, Captain Duncan Vernon |
| Ellis, Thos. Edw. (Merionetsh.) | Leese Sir Joseph F. (Accrington) | Priestley, Briggs (Yorks) |
| Evans, Samuel T. Glamorgan) | Leng, Sir John | Reckitt, Harold James |
| Evans, Sir Francis H. (South'ton) | Leuty, Thomas Richmond | Rickett, J. Compton |
| Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) | Stevenson, Francis S. | Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.) |
| Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) | Strachey, Edward | Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.) |
| Robertson, Edmund (Dundee) | Tennant, Harold John | Wilson, John (Govan) |
| Robson, William Snowdon | Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.) | Woodall, William |
| Schwann, Charles E. | Thomas, Alfred (Glamorgan, E.) | Woodhouse Sir J. T. (Hud'rsfld) |
| Scott, Charles Prestwich | Wallace, Robert (Perth) | Yoxall, James Henry |
| Seton-Karr, Henry | Wayman, Thomas | |
| Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.) | Weir, James Galloway | TELLERS FOR THE NOES, Mr. |
| Souttar, Robinson | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer | John Ellis and Sir Robert |
| Spicer, Albert | Williams, John Carvell (Notts) | Reid. |
| Stanhope, Hon. Philip J. | Wilson Frederick W. (Norfolk) |
§ Ordered, that the Order for the Committee on "Voluntary Schools [Aid Grant, Etc.]" have precedence this day of the Notices of Motions and other Orders of the day.