HL Deb 12 July 1869 vol 197 cc1661-2

Against the Third Reading of the Bill.

"DISSENTIENT:

"1. Because since 1835 no consent has ever been given in this House to the principle of the "Appropriation Clause" carried in the House of Commons by a Committee of the Whole House in 1835.

"2. Because on the Second Reading of this Bill it was assumed that the principle of it was agreed to, whereas by the exclusion of speeches by The Right Reverend The Lord Bishop of London and of Lord Lytton a full discussion of that principle was prevented.

"3. Because in this House any question faulty in principle may as fairly be opposed on the Third Reading as on any other stage of a Bill.

"DENMAN."

"DISSENTIENT:

"1. Because this Bill, for the first time since the foundation of the British Monarchy, introduces, so far as Ireland is concerned, the principle, unrecognized in any other country in Europe, of an entire severance of the State from the support of any and every form of religious worship.

"2. Because the adoption of this principle with regard to Ireland cannot but give great encouragement to the designs of those who desire its extension to every part of the United Kingdom.

"3. Because it is a violent stretch of the power of Parliament to resume a grant made by itself in perpetuity; still more to confiscate property held by long prescription, and by a title independent of Parliament.

"4. Because if this principle be well founded as regards private property, it is still more so with regard to that which has been solemnly set apart for the purposes of religion and the service of Almighty God.

"5. Because the legislation attempted in this Bill tends to shake confidence in all property, and especially in that which rests upon a Parliamentary title heretofore considered as the most unassailable of all.

"6. Because it is impossible to place a Church, disestablished and disendowed, and bound together only by the tie of a voluntary association, on a footing of equality with the perfect organization of the Church of Rome, whereby, especially in Ireland, the laity are made completely subservient to the priesthood, the priests to the bishops, and the bishops themselves are subject to the uncontrolled authority of a foreign potentate.

"7. Because this Bill will be felt as a grievous injustice by the Protestants of Ireland, who, through their Irish Parliament, surrendered their political independence by a treaty the fundamental condition of which was the greater security of the Protestant Establishment.

"8. Because while this measure will tend to alienate those who have hitherto been the firmest supporters of the British Throne and British connexion, so far from conciliating, much less satisfying, it will only stimulate to fresh demands that large portion of the Roman Catholic population of Ireland which looks forward to ulterior and very different objects, and, above all, to ultimate emancipation from the control of the British Legislature.

"DERBY. SILCHESTER.
HARROWBY. COLVILLE OF CULROSS.
MARLBOROUGH, for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, and 8 Reasons.
EXETER.
ABERGAVENNY.
MALMESBURY. STRATHALLAN.
CHELMSFORD WESTMEATH.
DE ROS. DE VESCI.
GRINSTEAD. ELLENBOROCGH.
WALSINGHAM. REDESDALE.
FORESTER. CLEMENTS.
DENMAN. BANDON.
CLANCARTY CHARLES B. TUAM.
G. A. LICHFIELD. SALTOUN.
BRODRICK. HARTISMERE.
STEWART OF GARLIES. MANCHESTER.
MANSFIELD.
CLARINA. CAIRNS, for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, and 8 Reasons.
KELLIE.
LAUDERDALE
DARTMOUTH. TEMPLETOWN.
HAWARDEN. FITZWALTER.
BANTRY. NORTHUMBERLAND.
ABERCORN. CHURSTON.
MELVILLE LEVEN AND MELVILLE.
AMHERST.
SONDES. TANKERVILLE.
KILMAINE. GOUGH.
COLCHESTER. C. J. GLOUCESTER AND BRISTOL.
TREDEGAR
O'NEILL. BEAUCHAMP, for 1,2, 3, and 4 Rea-sons.
BROOKE AND
WARWICK.
WYNFORD. PITT R. RIVERS.
GRAHAM. E. H. ELY."
DIGBY.

Against the Passing of the Bill.

"DISSENTIENT:

"1. Because free discussion was again pre" vented on this stage of the Bill by the refusal o clamorous Members of the House of Lords to hear Lord Dunboyne, one of the Representative Peers for Ireland.

"2. Because the exclusion of the bishops, who are appointed by the Crown with a view to aid the counsels of Her Majesty during their lives, is an interference with the Constitution of the House of Lords, and with Her Majesty's Prerogative, and is likely to injure the Protestant clergy and laity of Ireland.

"DENMAN."