HL Deb 05 August 1867 vol 189 cc842-4

House in Committee (according to Order).

LORD CRANWORTH

rose to move the insertion of a new clause. In England each Law Court appointed its own officers, and Lord Coke three centuries ago stated it to be one of the characteristic advantages of the English Courts of Law that the officers of the Courts were appointed by the heads of the Court, who were responsible for their conduct. In Ireland the practice was, and had been, different. Early in the reign of George IV. a revision took place in the Irish Courts, under which the Master of the Courts and one other officer were to be selected not by the heads of the Court, but by the Lord Lieutenant. That was an extraordinary provision, which would not have been tolerated for a moment in England. In the 7 & 8 Vict., when Lord Lyndhurst was Chancellor, further inquiry was made, and a Bill was introduced regulating the Irish Courts. That Bill, which first passed through the other House, made no alteration in regard to the appointment of the Master and the other officer by the Crown. Lord Campbell, when the Bill reached their Lordships' House, pointed out the anomaly that the selection of these officers should be any other than a judicial selection. Lord Chancellor Lyndhurst entirely concurred, and a clause was introduced giving the appointment to the Chief Justices of the Courts. The House of Commons thought, however, that such a clause would rob the Castle of a certain degree of patronage which it ought to possess; but when the Bill came back to their Lordships' House, Lord Lyndhurst, to his great honour, adhered to the clause, and divided against the Government of which he was a Member. The Government, however, obtained a majority and the clause was struck out. A Royal Commission was not long since issued to inquire into the state of affairs in the different Courts of Common Law and Equity in this country and in Ireland; at the head of which was the late Lord Chancellor of Ireland, Mr. Blackburne. That Commission unanimously recommended that in Ireland, as in England, the appointment of chief officers to the Courts should be vested in the Judges of those Courts; but he was surprised to find that in this Bill, for no possible object except that of bestowing patronage on the Lord Lieutenant, it was proposed to continue the old system.

Moved after Clause 40 to insert the following Clause:— When and so often as any Vacancy happens in the Office of Master or Clerk of the Rules in any of the said Superior Courts of Common Law by the Death, Resignation, or Removal of the Person holding such Office, the Chief Justices of the Court of Queen's Bench and the Court of Common Pleas respectively as to Vacancies occurring in those Courts respectively, and the Chief Baron of the Court of Exchequer as to Vacancies occurring in that Court, shall appoint some duly qualified Person to supply the Place of the Person so dying, resigning, or being removed."—(The Lord Cranworth.)

THE LORD CHANCELLOR

said, he found himself in the same position that Lord Lyndhurst occupied in 1844, in being compelled to support the Amendment of his noble and learned Friend. It was most unreasonable to vest in the Irish Government the appointment of these officers. The Bill professed to be founded on the Report of the Commissioners, and he could not conceive any reason for disregarding their recommendation in this respect. The present arrangement was one which ought never to have existed.

THE EARL OF KIMBERLEY

also supported the clause. He could see no reason for vesting this patronage in the Irish Executive. It was more important, even in Ireland than in England, that these officers should have no connection with the political Government.

On Question? agreed to.

Clause inserted.

Clauses 41 and 42, as amended, agreed to.

LORD CAIRNS

proposed an Amendment providing that the minor officers in each Court should be appointed by the Chief Judge thereof, instead of by the Judges in common. This proposal was consistent with the practice in England, and with the Report of the Commissioners, and it would avoid divided responsibility.

THE LORD CHANCELLOR

said, he entirely agreed in the propriety of the Amendment.

Other Amendments made.

The Report of the Amendments to be received To-morrow; and Bill to be printed as amended. (No. 294.)