HC Deb 27 March 1995 vol 257 cc736-40

'(1) It shall be the duty of the Secretary of State to have regard to the needs of employers who have fewer than 20 employees and to make such financial provision by way of grants or loans as he deems appropriate to enable them to meet their obligations under this Act.

(2) The Secretary of State may by regulations specify the circumstances under which adjustments will be considered reasonable for employers who have fewer than 20 employees, and such regulations may specify appropriate periods within which such adjustments shall be made.

(3) Regulations under this section may make different provisions for different circumstances and different sizes of employer and specify different periods within which different adjustments shall be made; and regulations made under this section may be varied by subsequent regulations.'.—[Mr. Tom Clarke.]

Brought up, and read the First time.

Motion made, and Question put, That the clause be read a Second time:—

The House divided: Ayes 267, Noes 297.

Division No. 115] [6.32 pm
AYES
Abbott, Ms Diane Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon)
Ainger, Nick Burden, Richard
Ainsworth, Robert (Cov'try NE) Byers, Stephen
Allen, Graham Callaghan, Jim
Alton, David Campbell, Mrs Anne (C'bridge)
Anderson, Ms Janet (Ros'dale) Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE)
Armstrong, Hilary Campbell-Savours, D N
Ashdown, Rt Hon Paddy Canavan, Dennis
Ashton, Joe Cann, Jamie
Austin-Walker, John Carlile, Alexander (Montgomery)
Banks, Tony (Newham NW) Chidgey, David
Barnes, Harry Chisholm, Malcolm
Barron, Kevin Church, Judith
Bayley, Hugh Clark, Dr David (South Shields)
Beith, Rt Hon A J Clarke, Eric (Midlothian)
Bell, Stuart Clarke, Tom (Monklands W)
Benn, Rt Hon Tony Clelland, David
Bennett, Andrew F Coffey, Ann
Bermingham, Gerald Cohen, Harry
Berry, Roger Cook, Frank (Stockton N)
Betts, Clive Cook, Robin (Livingston)
Boateng, Paul Corbett, Robin
Bradley, Keith Corbyn, Jeremy
Bray, Dr Jeremy Corston, Jean
Cox, Tom Jackson, Helen (Shef'ld, H)
Cummings, John Janner, Greville
Cunliffe, Lawrence Jones, Barry (Alyn and D'side)
Cunningham, Jim (Covy SE) Jones, leuan Wyn (Ynys Mon)
Cunningham, Rt Hon Dr John Jones, Lynne (B'ham S O)
Dafis, Cynog Jones, Martyn (Clwyd, SW)
Dalyell, Tam Jones, Nigel (Cheltenham)
Darling, Alistair Jowell, Tessa
Davidson, Ian Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald
Davies, Bryan (Oldham C'tral) Keen, Alan
Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli) Kennedy, Charles (Ross, C&S)
Davies, Ron (Caerphilly) Kennedy, Jane (Lpool Brdgn)
Davis, Terry (B'ham, H'dge H'l) Khabra, Piara S
Denham, John Kilfoyle, Peter
Dewar, Donald Kirkwood, Archy
Dixon, Don Lewis, Terry
Dobson, Frank Liddell, Mrs Helen
Donohoe, Brian H Litherland, Robert
Dowd, Jim Livingstone, Ken
Dunnachie, Jimmy Lloyd, Tony (Stretford)
Eagle, Ms Angela Llwyd, Elfyn
Eastham, Ken Loyden, Eddie
Enright, Derek Lynne, Ms Liz
Etherington, Bill McAvoy, Thomas
Evans, John (St Helens N) McCartney, Ian
Ewing, Mrs Margaret McCrea, The Reverend William
Fatchett, Derek Macdonald, Calum
Faulds, Andrew McFall, John
Field, Frank (Birkenhead) McKelvey, William
Fisher, Mark Mackinlay, Andrew
Flynn, Paul McLeish, Henry
Forsythe, Clifford (S Antrim) Maclennan, Robert
Foster, Rt Hon Derek McNamara, Kevin
Foster, Don (Bath) MacShane, Denis
Fraser, John McWilliam, John
Galloway, George Madden, Max
Gapes, Mike Maddock, Diana
Garrett, John Mahon, Alice
George, Bruce Mallon, Seamus
Gerrard, Neil Mandelson, Peter
Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John Marek, Dr John
Godman, Dr Norman A Marshall, Jim (Leicester, S)
Godsiff, Roger Martin, Michael J (Springburn)
Grant, Bernie (Tottenham) Martlew, Eric
Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) Maxton, John
Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) Meacher, Michael
Grocott, Bruce Meale, Alan
Gunnell, John Michael, Alun
Hain, Peter Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley)
Hall, Mike Michie, Mrs Ray (Argyll & Bute)
Hanson, David Milburn, Alan
Hardy, Peter Miller, Andrew
Harman, Ms Harriet Mitchell, Austin (Gt Grimsby)
Harvey, Nick Molyneaux, Rt Hon James
Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy Moonie, Dr Lewis
Henderson, Doug Morgan, Rhodri
Heppell, John Morley, Elliot
Hill, Keith (Streatham) Morris, Rt Hon Alfred (Wy'nshawe)
Hinchliffe, David Morris, Estelle (B'ham Yardley)
Hodge, Margaret Morris, Rt Hon John (Aberavon)
Hoey, Kate Mowlam, Marjorie
Hogg, Norman (Cumbernauld) Mudie, George
Home Robertson, John Mullin, Chris
Hood, Jimmy Murphy, Paul
Hoon, Geoffrey Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon
Howarth, George (Knowsley North) O'Brien, Mike (N W'kshire)
Howells, Dr. Kim (Pontypridd) O'Brien, William (Normanton)
Hoyle, Doug O'Hara, Edward
Hughes, Kevin (Doncaster N) O'Neill, Martin
Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) Orme, Rt Hon Stanley
Hughes, Roy (Newport E) Parry, Robert
Hughes, Simon (Southwark) Pearson, Ian
Hutton, John Pendry, Tom
Illsley, Eric Pickthall, Colin
Ingram, Adam Pike, Peter L
Jackson, Glenda (H'stead) Pope, Greg
Powell, Ray (Ogmore) Spellar, John
Prentice, Gordon (Pendle) Squire, Rachel (Dunfermline W)
Prescott, Rt Hon John Steel, Rt Hon Sir David
Primarolo, Dawn Stevenson, George
Quin, Ms Joyce Stott, Roger
Radice, Giles Strang, Dr. Gavin
Randall, Stuart Straw, Jack
Raynsford, Nick Sutcliffe, Gerry
Redmond, Martin Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury)
Reid, Dr John Taylor, Matthew (Truro)
Rendel, David Thompson, Jack (Wansbeck)
Robinson, Geoffrey (Co'try NW) Timms, Stephen
Robinson, Peter (Belfast E) Tipping, Paddy
Roche, Mrs Barbara Touhig, Don
Rogers, Allan Trimble, David
Rooker, Jeff Turner, Dennis
Rooney, Terry Vaz, Keith
Ross, Ernie (Dundee W) Walker, Rt Hon Sir Harold
Rowlands, Ted Wallace, James
Ruddock, Joan Walley, Joan
Salmond, Alex Wardell, Gareth (Gower)
Sedgemore, Brian Wareing, Robert N
Sheerman, Barry Watson, Mike
Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert Welsh, Andrew
Shore, Rt Hon Peter Wicks, Malcolm
Wigley, Dafydd
Short, Clare Williams, Rt Hon Alan (Sw'n W)
Simpson, Alan Williams, Alan W (Carmarthen)
Skinner, Dennis Wise, Audrey
Smith, Andrew (Oxford E) Worthington, Tony
Smith, Chris (Isl'ton S & F'sbury) Wray, Jimmy
Smith, Llew (Blaenau Gwent) Young, David (Bolton SE)
Smyth, The Reverend Martin
Snape, Peter Tellers for the Ayes:
Soley, Clive Mr. John Owen Jones and
Spearing, Nigel Mr. Joe Benton.
NOES
Ainsworth, Peter (East Surrey) Budgen, Nicholas
Aitken, Rt Hon Jonathan Burns, Simon
Alexander, Richard Burt, Alistair
Alison, Rt Hon Michael (Selby) Butcher, John
Allason, Rupert (Torbay) Butler, Peter
Amess, David Butterfill, John
Ancram, Michael Carlisle, Sir Kenneth (Lincoln)
Arbuthnot, James Carrington, Matthew
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) Carttiss, Michael
Arnold, Sir Thomas (Hazel Grv) Cash, William
Ashby, David Channon, Rt Hon Paul
Atkins, Robert Chapman, Sydney
Atkinson, David (Bour'mouth E) Churchill, Mr
Atkinson, Peter (Hexham) Clappison, James
Baker, Rt Hon Kenneth (Mole V) Clark, Dr Michael
Baker, Nicholas (North Dorset) Clarke, Rt Hon Kenneth (Ru'clif)
Baldry, Tony Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey
Banks, Matthew (Southport) Coe, Sebastian
Bates, Michael Colvin, Michael
Batiste, Spencer Congdon, David
Bellingham, Henry Conway, Derek
Bendall, Vivian Coombs, Anthony (Wyre For'st)
Beresford, Sir Paul Coombs, Simon (Swindon)
Bonsor, Sir Nicholas Cope, Rt Hon Sir John
Booth, Hartley Cormack, Sir Patrick
Boswell, Tim Couchman, James
Bottomley, Peter (Eltham) Cran, James
Bottomley, Rt Hon Virginia Currie, Mrs Edwina (S D'by'ire)
Bowden, Sir Andrew Curry, David (Skipton & Ripon)
Bowis, John Davies, Quentin (Stamford)
Boyson, Rt Hon Sir Rhodes Davis, David (Boothferry)
Brandreth, Gyles Day, Stephen
Brazier, Julian Devlin, Tim
Bright, Sir Graham Dorrell, Rt Hon Stephen
Brooke, Rt Hon Peter Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James
Brown, M (Brigg & Cl'thorpes) Dover, Den
Browning, Mrs Angela Duncan, Alan
Bruce, Ian (Dorset) Duncan-Smith, Iain
Dunn, Bob Key, Robert
Durant, Sir Anthony King, Rt Hon Tom
Dykes, Hugh Kirkhope, Timothy
Eggar, Rt Hon Tim Knapman, Roger
Elletson, Harold Knight, Mrs Angela (Erewash)
Emery, Rt Hon Sir Peter Knight, Greg (Derby N)
Evans, David (Welwyn Hatfield) Knox, Sir David
Evans, Jonathan (Brecon) Kynoch, George (Kincardine)
Evans, Nigel (Ribble Valley) Lait, Mrs Jacqui
Evans, Roger (Monmouth) Lamont, Rt Hon Norman
Evennett, David Lang, Rt Hon Ian
Faber, David Lawrence, Sir Ivan
Fabricant, Michael Legg, Barry
Fenner, Dame Peggy Leigh, Edward
Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) Lennox-Boyd, Sir Mark
Fishburn, Dudley Lester, Jim (Broxtowe)
Forman, Nigel Lidington, David
Forsyth, Rt Hon Michael (Stirling) Lilley, Rt Hon Peter
Forth, Eric Luff, Peter
Fowler, Rt Hon Sir Norman Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas
Fox, Dr Liam (Woodspring) MacGregor, Rt Hon John
Fox, Sir Marcus (Shipley) MacKay, Andrew
Freeman, Rt Hon Roger Maclean, David
French, Douglas McLoughlin, Patrick
Fry, Sir Peter McNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick
Gale, Roger Madel, Sir David
Gallie, Phil Maitland, Lady Olga
Gardiner, Sir George Major, Rt Hon John
Garel-Jones, Rt Hon Tristan Malone, Gerald
Garnier, Edward Mans, Keith
Gill, Christopher Marland, Paul
Gillan, Cheryl Marshall, John (Hendon S)
Goodlad, Rt Hon Alastair Martin, David (Portsmouth S)
Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles Mates, Michael
Gorman, Mrs Teresa Mawhinney, Rt Hon Dr Brian
Gorst, Sir John Mayhew, Rt Hon Sir Patrick
Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) Mellor, Rt Hon David
Greenway, John (Ryedale) Merchant, Piers
Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth, N) Mills, Iain
Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling)
Hague, William Mitchell, Sir David (NW Hants)
Hamilton, Rt Hon Sir Archibald Moate, Sir Roger
Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) Monro, Sir Hector
Hanley, Rt Hon Jeremy Montgomery, Sir Fergus
Harris, David Moss, Malcolm
Haselhurst, Alan Nelson, Anthony
Hawkins, Nick Neubert, Sir Michael
Hawksley, Warren Newton, Rt Hon Tony
Hayes, Jerry Nicholls, Patrick
Heald, Oliver Nicholson, David (Taunton)
Heath, Rt Hon Sir Edward Nicholson, Emma (Devon West)
Heathcoat-Amory, David Norris, Steve
Hendry, Charles Oppenheim, Phillip
Hicks, Robert Ottaway, Richard
Higgins, Rt Hon Sir Terence Page, Richard
Hill, James (Southampton Test) Paice, James
Hogg, Rt Hon Douglas (G'tham) Patnick, Sir Irvine
Horam, John Patten, Rt Hon John
Hordern, Rt Hon Sir Peter Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey
Howard, Rt Hon Michael Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth
Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford) Pickles, Eric
Howell, Sir Ralph (N Norfolk) Porter, Barry (Wirral S)
Hughes, Robert G (Harrow W) Portillo, Rt Hon Michael
Hunt, Rt Hon David (Wirral W) Powell, William (Corby)
Hunt, Sir John (Ravensbourne) Rathbone, Tim
Hunter, Andrew Redwood, Rt Hon John
Hurd, Rt Hon Douglas Renton, Rt Hon Tim
Jack, Michael Richards, Rod
Jackson, Robert (Wantage) Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm
Jenkin, Bernard Robathan, Andrew
Jessel, Toby Roberts, Rt Hon Sir Wyn
Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey Robertson, Raymond (Ab'd'n S)
Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) Robinson, Mark (Somerton)
Jones, Robert B (W Hertfdshr) Roe, Mrs Marion (Broxbourne)
Jopling, Rt Hon Michael Rowe, Andrew (Mid Kent)
Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine Rumbold, Rt Hon Dame Angela
Ryder, Rt Hon Richard Thomason, Roy
Sackville, Tom Thompson, Sir Donald (C'er V)
Sainsbury, Rt Hon Sir Timothy Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N)
Scott, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas Thurnham, Peter
Shaw, David (Dover) Townend, John (Bridlington)
Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey) Townsend, Cyril D (Bexl'yh'th)
Shephard, Rt Hon Gillian Tracey, Richard
Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) Tredinnick, David
Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge) Trotter, Neville
Sims, Roger Twinn, Dr Ian
Skeet, Sir Trevor Vaughan, Sir Gerard
Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick) Viggers, Peter
Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield) Waldegrave, Rt Hon William
Soames, Nicholas Walden, George
Speed, Sir Keith Walker, Bill (N Tayside)
Spencer, Sir Derek Waller, Gary
Spicer, Sir James (W Dorset) Ward, John
Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) Wardle, Charles (Bexhill)
Spink, Dr Robert Waterson, Nigel
Spring, Richard Watts, John
Sproat, Iain Wells, Bowen
Squire, Robin (Hornchurch) Wheeler, Rt Hon Sir John
Whitney, Ray
Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John Whittingdale, John
Steen, Anthony Widdecombe, Ann
Stephen, Michael Wiggin, Sir Jerry
Stem, Michael Willetts, David
Stewart, Allan Wilshire, David
Streeter, Gary Winterton, Mrs Ann (Congleton)
Sumberg, David Winterton, Nicholas (Macc'fld)
Sweeney, Walter Wolfson, Mark
Sykes, John Yeo, Tim
Tapsell, Sir Peter Young, Rt Hon Sir George
Taylor, Ian (Esher)
Taylor, John M (Solihull) Tellers for the Noes:
Taylor, Sir Teddy (Southend, E) Mr. Timothy Wood and
Temple-Morris, Peter Mr. David Lightbown.

Question accordingly negatived.

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