§ Mrs. BeckettI beg to move amendment No. 93, in page 72, line 22, leave out subsection (2).
Without this amendment, half a million children will lose their entitlement to free school meals. All free school milk will be lost because authorities will have to charge for it, and 150,000 children from the poorest families—those on less than £100 a week — will receive compensation of only 44p a week for that loss. We are worried about the effect on families. We are worried, as are the local authorities, about the fact that the Government appear to wish to deny them the right to make differential charges between primary and secondary schools. We are worried about the jobs of those who work in the school meals service, which are undoubtedly at risk.
We are concerned most of all because the Government say that the savings that will be made will be offset by the compensation given to families. There are, therefore, no advantages to the Government on their figures and there are disadvantages to the workers, to the children in those families and, indeed, to the country.
§ Mr. NewtonOn our reckoning more than 60,000 children will be better off under these arrangements.
§ Question put, That the amendment be made:-
§ The House divided: Ayes 181, Noes 311.
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| AYES | |
| Adams, Allen (Paisley N) | Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) |
| Alton, David | Brown, N. (N'c'tle-u-Tyne E) |
| Anderson, Donald | Brown, R. (N'c'tle-u-Tyne N) |
| Archer, Rt Hon Peter | Brown, Ron (E'burgh, Leith) |
| Ashley, Rt Hon Jack | Bruce, Malcolm |
| Ashton, Joe | Callaghan, Jim (Heyw'd & M) |
| Atkinson, N. (Tottenham) | Campbell, Ian |
| Bagier, Gordon A. T. | Campbell-Savours, Dale |
| Banks, Tony (Newham NW) | Canavan, Dennis |
| Barnett, Guy | Cartwright, John |
| Beckett, Mrs Margaret | Clark, Dr David (S Shields) |
| Beith, A. J. | Clarke, Thomas |
| Bell, Stuart | Clay, Robert |
| Benn, Rt Hon Tony | Clwyd, Mrs Ann |
| Bennett, A. (Dent'n & Red'sh) | Cocks, Rt Hon M. (Bristol S) |
| Bermingham, Gerald | Cohen, Harry |
| Bidwell, Sydney | Coleman, Donald |
| Blair, Anthony | Cook, Frank (Stockton North) |
| Boothroyd, Miss Betty | Cook, Robin F. (Livingston) |
| Boyes, Roland | Corbett, Robin |
| Brown, Gordon (D'f'mline E) | Corbyn, Jeremy |
| Cox, Thomas (Tooting) | Maxton, John |
| Craigen, J. M. | Meacher, Michael |
| Crowther, Stan | Meadowcroft, Michael |
| Cunliffe, Lawrence | Michie, William |
| Cunningham, Dr John | Mikardo, Ian |
| Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (L'lli) | Millan, Rt Hon Bruce |
| Davis, Terry (B'ham, H'ge H'I) | Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby) |
| Deakins, Eric | Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe) |
| Dewar, Donald | Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) |
| Dixon, Donald | Nellist, David |
| Dobson, Frank | Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon |
| Dormand, Jack | O'Brien, William |
| Douglas, Dick | O'Neill, Martin |
| Dubs, Alfred | Parry, Robert |
| Duffy, A. E. P. | Patchett, Terry |
| Dunwoody, Hon Mrs G. | Pavitt, Laurie |
| Eadie, Alex | Pendry, Tom |
| Edwards, Bob (W'h'mpt'n SE) | Pike, Peter |
| Fatchett, Derek | Powell, Rt Hon J. E. |
| Fields, T. (L'pool Broad Gn) | Powell, Raymond (Ogmore) |
| Fisher, Mark | Prescott, John |
| Flannery, Martin | Randall, Stuart |
| Forrester, John | Raynsford, Nick |
| Foster, Derek | Redmond, Martin |
| Foulkes, George | Rees, Rt Hon M. (Leeds S) |
| Fraser, J. (Norwood) | Richardson, Ms Jo |
| George, Bruce | Roberts, Allan (Bootle) |
| Godman, Dr Norman | Roberts, Ernest (Hackney N) |
| Gould, Bryan | Robertson, George |
| Gourlay, Harry | Robinson, G. (Coventry NW) |
| Hamilton, W. W. (Fife Central) | Rogers, Allan |
| Hancock, Michael | Ross, Ernest (Dundee W) |
| Hardy, Peter | Sheldon, Rt Hon R. |
| Harrison, Rt Hon Walter | Shields, Mrs Elizabeth |
| Haynes, Frank | Shore, Rt Hon Peter |
| Heffer, Eric S. | Short, Ms Clare (Ladywood) |
| Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth) | Short, Mrs R.(W'hampt'n NE) |
| Holland, Stuart (Vauxhall) | Silkin, Rt Hon J. |
| Home Robertson, John | Skinner, Dennis |
| Howells, Geraint | Smith, C.(lsl'ton S & F'bury) |
| Hoyle, Douglas | Smith, Cyril (Rochdale) |
| Hughes, Dr Mark (Durham) | Snape, Peter |
| Hughes, Roy (Newport East) | Spearing, Nigel |
| Hughes, Sean (Knowsley S) | Stewart, Rt Hon D. (W Isles) |
| Hughes, Simon (Southwark) | Stott, Roger |
| Hume, John | Strang, Gavin |
| Janner, Hon Greville | Straw, Jack |
| John, Brynmor | Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth) |
| Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside) | Thomas, Dr R. (Carmarthen) |
| Kennedy, Charles | Thompson, J. (Wansbeck) |
| Kilroy-Silk, Robert | Thome, Stan (Preston) |
| Kirkwood, Archy | Tinn, James |
| Lambie, David | Torney, Tom |
| Leadbitter, Ted | Wainwright, R. |
| Leighton, Ronald | Walker, Cecil (Belfast N) |
| Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) | Wallace, James |
| Lewis, Terence (Worsley) | Wardell, Gareth (Gower) |
| Litherland, Robert | Wareing, Robert |
| Lloyd, Tony (Stretford) | Weetch, Ken |
| Lofthouse, Geoffrey | Welsh, Michael |
| McCartney, Hugh | White, James |
| McDonald, Dr Oonagh | Wigley, Dafydd |
| McGuire, Michael | Williams, Rt Hon A. |
| McKelvey, William | Wilson, Gordon |
| MacKenzie, Rt Hon Gregor | Winnick, David |
| McNamara, Kevin | Woodall, Alec |
| McTaggart, Robert | Wrigglesworth, Ian |
| Madden, Max | Young, David (Bolton SE) |
| Mallon, Seamus | |
| Marek, Dr John | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Marshall, David (Shettleston) | Mr. Allen McKay and Mr. John McWilliam. |
| Martin, Michael | |
| Mason, Rt Hon Roy | |
| NOES | |
| Adley, Robert | Ancram, Michael |
| Aitken, Jonathan | Ashby, David |
| Alexander, Richard | Atkins, Rt Hon Sir H. |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Atkins, Robert (South Ribble) |
| Amess, David | Atkinson, David (B'm'th E) |
| Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Vall'y) | Freeman, Roger |
| Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) | Fry, Peter |
| Baldry, Tony | Galley, Roy |
| Banks, Robert (Harrogate) | Gardiner, George (Reigate) |
| Batiste, Spencer | Gardner, Sir Edward (Fylde) |
| Beaumont-Dark, Anthony | Garel-Jones, Tristan |
| Bendall, Vivian | Glyn, Dr Alan |
| Bennett, Rt Hon Sir Frederic | Goodhart, Sir Philip |
| Benyon, William | Goodlad, Alastair |
| Best, Keith | Gorst, John |
| Bevan, David Gilroy | Gower, Sir Raymond |
| Biffen, Rt Hon John | Grant, Sir Anthony |
| Biggs-Davison, Sir John | Greenway, Harry |
| Blackburn, John | Gregory, Conal |
| Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter | Griffiths, Peter (Portsm'th N) |
| Body, Sir Richard | Grist, Ian |
| Bonsor, Sir Nicholas | Ground, Patrick |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Grylls, Michael |
| Bottomley, Peter | Hamilton, Hon A. (Epsom) |
| Bottomley, Mrs Virginia | Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) |
| Bowden, A. (Brighton K'to'n) | Hanley, Jeremy |
| Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) | Hannam, John |
| Boyson, Dr Rhodes | Hargreaves, Kenneth |
| Brandon-Bravo, Martin | Harris, David |
| Brinton, Tim | Harvey, Robert |
| Brittan, Rt Hon Leon | Havers, Rt Hon Sir Michael |
| Brooke, Hon Peter | Hawkins, C. (High Peak) |
| Browne, John | Hawkins, Sir Paul (N'folk SW) |
| Bruinvels, Peter | Hawksley, Warren |
| Bryan, Sir Paul | Hayes, J. |
| Buchanan-Smith, Rt Hon A. | Heathcoat-Amory, David |
| Buck, Sir Antony | Heddle, John |
| Budgen, Nick | Hickmet, Richard |
| Bulmer, Esmond | Hill, James |
| Burt, Alistair | Hind, Kenneth |
| Butcher, John | Hirst, Michael |
| Butler, Rt Hon Sir Adam | Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm) |
| Butterfill, John | Holland, Sir Philip (Gedling) |
| Carlisle, John (Luton N) | Holt, Richard |
| Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | Hordern, Sir Peter |
| Carttiss, Michael | Howarth, Alan (Stratf'd-on-A) |
| Chapman, Sydney | Howell, Rt Hon D. (G'ldford) |
| Chope, Christopher | Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, N) |
| Churchill, W. S. | Hubbard-Miles, Peter |
| Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) | Hunt, David (Wirral W) |
| Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S) | Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) |
| Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe) | Hunter, Andrew |
| Clegg, Sir Walter | Hurd, Rt Hon Douglas |
| Cockeram, Eric | Jackson, Robert |
| Coombs, Simon | Jessel, Toby |
| Cormack, Patrick | Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey |
| Corrie, John | Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) |
| Couchman, James | Jones, Robert (Herts W) |
| Cranborne, Viscount | Jopling, Rt Hon Michael |
| Critchley, Julian | Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith |
| Currie, Mrs Edwina | Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine |
| Dickens, Geoffrey | Kershaw, Sir Anthony |
| Dorrell, Stephen | Key, Robert |
| Douglas-Hamilton, Lord J. | Knight, Greg (Derby N) |
| Dover, Den | Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston) |
| du Cann, Rt Hon Sir Edward | Knowles, Michael |
| Durant, Tony | Knox, David |
| Dykes, Hugh | Lamont, Norman |
| Edwards, Rt Hon N. (P'broke) | Lang, Ian |
| Emery, Sir Peter | Latham, Michael |
| Evennett, David | Lawler, Geoffrey |
| Fairbairn, Nicholas | Lawrence, Ivan |
| Fallon, Michael | Lawson, Rt Hon Nigel |
| Farr, Sir John | Lee, John (Pendle) |
| Favell, Anthony | Lester, Jim |
| Fenner, Mrs Peggy | Lightbown, David |
| Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey | Lilley, Peter |
| Fookes, Miss Janet | Lloyd, Ian (Havant) |
| Forman, Nigel | Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) |
| Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) | Lord, Michael |
| Forth, Eric | Luce, Rt Hon Richard |
| Fowler, Rt Hon Norman | McCrindle, Robert |
| Fox, Marcus | McCurley, Mrs Anna |
| Franks, Cecil | Macfarlane, Neil |
| Fraser, Peter (Angus East) | MacGregor, Rt Hon John |
| MacKay, John (Argyll & Bute) | Shelton, William (Streatham) |
| Maclean, David John | Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) |
| McLoughlin, Patrick | Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge) |
| McNair-Wilson, M. (N'bury) | Silvester, Fred |
| McNair-Wilson, P. (New F'st) | Sims, Roger |
| McQuarrie, Albert | Skeet, Sir Trevor |
| Major, John | Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick) |
| Malins, Humfrey | Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield) |
| Malone, Gerald | Soames, Hon Nicholas |
| Maples, John | Speed, Keith |
| Marland, Paul | Speller, Tony |
| Marlow, Antony | Spencer, Derek |
| Marshall, Michael (Arundel) | Spicer, Jim (Dorset W) |
| Maude, Hon Francis | Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) |
| Mawhinney, Dr Brian | Squire, Robin |
| Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Mayhew, Sir Patrick | Stanley, Rt Hon John |
| Mellor, David | Steen, Anthony |
| Merchant, Piers | Stern, Michael |
| Miller, Hal (B'grove) | Stevens, Lewis (Nuneaton) |
| Mills, lain (Meriden) | Stewart, Allan (Eastwood) |
| Miscampbell, Norman | Stewart, Andrew (Sherwood) |
| Mitchell, David (Hants NW) | Stewart, Ian (Hertf'dshire N) |
| Monro, Sir Hector | Stokes, John |
| Montgomery, Sir Fergus | Stradling Thomas, Sir John |
| Moore, Rt Hon John | Sumberg, David |
| Morris, M. (N'hampton S) | Tapsell, Sir Peter |
| Morrison, Hon C. (Devizes) | Taylor, John (Solihull) |
| Morrison, Hon P. (Chester) | Taylor, Teddy (S'end E) |
| Moynihan, Hon C. | Temple-Morris, Peter |
| Murphy, Christopher | Thatcher, Rt Hon Mrs M. |
| Neale, Gerrard | Thomas, Rt Hon Peter |
| Nelson, Anthony | Thompson, Patrick (N'ich N) |
| Neubert, Michael | Thorne, Neil (Word S) |
| Newton, Tony | Thornton, Malcolm |
| Nicholls, Patrick | Thurnham, Peter |
| Norris, Steven | Townend, John (Bridlington) |
| Onslow, Cranley | Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath) |
| Oppenheim, Phillip | Tracey, Richard |
| Oppenheim, Rt Hon Mrs S. | Trippier, David |
| Page, Sir John (Harrow W) | Trotter, Neville |
| Page, Richard (Herts SW) | Twinn, Dr Ian |
| Parkinson, Rt Hon Cecil | van Straubenzee, Sir W. |
| Pattie, Geoffrey | Vaughan, Sir Gerard |
| Pawsey, James | Viggers, Peter |
| Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth | Waddington, David |
| Percival, Rt Hon Sir Ian | Wakeham, Rt Hon John |
| Pollock, Alexander | Waldegrave, Hon William |
| Porter, Barry | Walden, George |
| Portillo, Michael | Wall, Sir Patrick |
| Powley, John | Waller, Gary |
| Prentice, Rt Hon Reg | Walters, Dennis |
| Price, Sir David | Ward, John |
| Prior, Rt Hon James | Wardle, C. (Bexhill) |
| Proctor, K. Harvey | Warren, Kenneth |
| Pym, Rt Hon Francis | Watson, John |
| Raffan, Keith | Watts, John |
| Raison, Rt Hon Timothy | Wells, Bowen (Hertford) |
| Rhodes James, Robert | Wheeler, John |
| Roberts, Wyn (Conwy) | Whitfield, John |
| Robinson, Mark (N'port W) | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Roe, Mrs Marion | Winterton, Mrs Ann |
| Rossi, Sir Hugh | Winterton, Nicholas |
| Rost, Peter | Wolfson, Mark |
| Rowe, Andrew | Wood, Timothy |
| Rumbold, Mrs Angela | Woodcock, Michael |
| Ryder, Richard | Yeo, Tim |
| Sainsbury, Hon Timothy | Young, Sir George (Acton) |
| St. John-Stevas, Rt Hon N. | |
| Sayeed, Jonathan | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Shaw, Giles (Pudsey) | Mr. Donald Thompson and Mr. Mark Lennox-Boyd. |
| Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb') |
§ Question accordingly negatived.
§ It being after Eight o'clock, MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER proceeded, pursuant to the Order [15 April] and the Resolution [19 May], to put forthwith the Question on the remaining amendments and on a new schedule moved by a member of the Government.