HC Deb 26 July 1978 vol 954 cc1666-70

Lords amendment: no. 6, page 33, line 16, leave out "with the necessary modifications" and insert "not"

Motion made, That this House doth disagree with the Lords in the said amendment. — [Mr. Harry Ewing.]

Question put forthwith

The House divided: Ayes 266, Noes 286.

Division No. 314] AYES [8.06 p.m.
Allaun, Frank Cunningham, G. (Islington S) Hayman, Mrs Helena
Archer, Rt Hon Peter Cunningham, Dr J. (Whitsh) Henderson, Douglas
Ashley, Jack Davidson, Arthur Hooley, Frank
Ashton, Joe Davies, Bryan (Enfield N) Hooson, Emlyn
Atkins, Ronald (Preston N) Davies, Rt Hon Denzil Horam, John
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Davies, Ifor (Gower) Howell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham, Sm H)
Bain, Mrs Margaret Davis, Clinton (Hackney C) Howells, Geraint (Cardigan)
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) Deakins, Eric Huckfield, Les
Barnett, Rt Hon Joel (Heywood) de Freitas, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey)
Bates, Alt Dell, Rt Hon Edmund Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N)
Bean, R. E. Dempsey, James Hughes, Roy (Newport)
Beith, A. J. Dewar, Donald Hunter, Adam
Benn, Rt Hon Anthony Wedgwood Doig, Peter Irvine, Rt Hon Sir A. (Edge Hill)
Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) Dormand, J. D. Irving, Rt Hon S. (Oartford)
Bishop, Rt Hon Edward Duffy, A. E. P. Jackson, Colin (Brighouse)
Blenkinsop, Arthur Dunn, James A. Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln)
Boardman, H. Dunnett, Jack Janner, Graville
Booth, Rt Hon Albert Eadie, Alex Jay, Rt Hon Douglas
Boothroyd, Miss Betty Edge, Geoff Jenkins, Hugh (Putney)
Bottomley, Rt Hon Arthur Edwards, Robert (Wolv SE) John, Brynmor
Boyden, James (Bish Auck) Ellis, Tom (Wrexham) Johnson, James (Hull West)
Bradley, Tom English, Michael Johnson, Walter (Derby S)
Bray, Dr Jeremy Evans, Gwynfor (Carmarthen) Johnston, Russell (Inverness)
Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle W) Evans, John (Newton) Jones, Alec (Rhondda)
Buchan, Norman Ewing, Harry (Stirling) Jones, Barry (East Flint)
Buchanan-Smith, Alick Ewing, Mrs Winifred (Moray) Jones, Dan (Burnley)
Butler, Mrs Joyce (Wood Green) Faulds, Andrew Judd, Frank
Callaghan, Rt Hon J. (Cardiff SE) Fernyhough, Rt Hon E. Kerr, Russell
Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) Fitch, Alan (Wigan) Lambie, David
Campbell, Ian Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) Lamborn, Harry
Canavan, Dennis Foot, Rt Hon Michael Lamond, James
Carmichael, Neil Ford, Ben Latham, Arthur (Paddington)
Carter, Ray Fowler, Gerald (The Wrekin) Lee, John
Carter-Jones, Lewis Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd) Lestor, Miss Joan (Eton & Slough)
Cartwright, John Freeson, Rt Hon Reginald Lever, Rt Hon Harold
Castle, Rt Hon Barbara Freud, Clement Luard, Evan
Clemitson, Ivor George, Bruce Lyon, Alexander (York)
Cocks, Rt Hon Michael (Bristol S) Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John Lyons, Edward (Bradford W)
Cohen, Stanley Ginsberg, David Mabon, Rt Hon Dr J. Dickson
Coleman, Donald Golding, John McCartney, Hugh
Colquhoun Ms Maureen Gould, Bryan MacCormick, Iain
Concannon, Rt Hon John Gourlay, Harry McElhone, Frank
Cook, Robin F. (Edin C) Graham, Ted McKay, Allen
Corbett, Robin Grant, John (Islington C) MacFarquhar, Roderick
Cowans, Harry Grocott, Bruce McGuire, Michael (Ince)
Craigen, Jim (Maryhill) Hamilton, James (Bothwell) MacKenzie, Rt Hon Gregor
Crawford, Douglas Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife) Maclennan, Robert
Crawshaw, Richard Hardy, Peter McMillan, Tom (Glasgow C)
Cronin, John Harrison, Rt Hon Walter Madden, Max
Crowther, Stan (Rotherham) Hart, Rt Hon Judith Magee, Bryan
Cryer, Bob Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy Mallalieu, J. P. W.
Marks, Kenneth Robertson, George (Hamilton) Tierney, Sydney
Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) Robinson, Geoffrey Tilley, John
Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) Roderick, Caerwyn Tomlinson, John
Meacher, Michael Rodgers, Rt Hon William (Stockton) Tomney, Frank
Mellish, Rt Hon Robert Roper, John Torney, Tom
Mikardo, Ian Rose, Paul B. Tuck, Raphael
Millan, Rt Hon Bruce Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) Urwin, T. W.
Miller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride) Ross, Rt Hon W. (Kilmarnock) Varley, Rt Hon Eric G.
Mitchell, Austin (Grimsby) Rowlands, Ted Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne V)
Mitchell, R. C. (Soton, Itchen) Ryman, John Wainwright, Richard (Colne V)
Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) Sandelson, Neville Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Morris, Rt Hon Charles R. Sedgemore, Brian Walker, Terry (Kingswood)
Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aboravon) Selby, Harry Ward, Michael
Morton, George Sever, John Watkins, David
Moyle, Rt Hon Roland Shaw, Arnold (Iltord South) Watt, Hamish
Mulley, Rt Hon Frederick Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert Weetch, Ken
Murray, Rt Hon Ronald King Shore, Rt Hon Peter Weitzman, David
Noble, Mike Short, Mrs Renée (Wolv NE) Welibeloved, James
Oakes, Gordon Silkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford) Welsh, Andrew
Ogden, Eric Silkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich) White, Frank R. (Bury)
O'Halloran, Michael Silverman, Julius White, James (Pollok)
Orbach, Maurice Smith, Rt Hon John (N Lanarkshire) Whitehead, Phillip
Orme, Rt Hon Stanley Snape, Peter Whitlock, William
Ovenden, John Spearing, Nigel Wigley, Dafydd
Padley, Walter Spriggs, Leslie Willey, Rt Hon Frederick
Palmer, Arthur Stallard, A. W. Williams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch)
Pardoe, John Steel, Rt Hon David Williams, Rt Hon Shirley (Hertford)
Park, George Stewart, Rt Hon M. (Fulham) Williams, Sir Thomas (Warrington)
Pavitt, Laurie Stoddart, David Wilson, Gordon (Dundee E)
Pendry, Tom Stott, Roger Wilson, Rt Hon Sir Harold (Huyton)
Penhaligon, David Strang, Gavin Wise, Mrs Audrey
Perry, Ernest Strauss, Rt Hon G. R. Woodall, Alec
Prescott, John Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley Woof, Robert
Price, C. (Lewisham W) Swain, Thomas Wrigglesworth, Ian
Price, William (Rugby) Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W) Young, David (Bolton E)
Radice, Giles Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)
Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S) Thomas, Mike (Newcastle E) TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Reid, George Thompson, George Mr. James Tinn and
Roberts, Albert (Normanton) Thorpe, Rt Hon Jeremy (N Devon) Mr. Joseph Dean
NOES
Adley, Robert Clegg, Walter Galbraith, Hon T. G. D.
Aitken, Jonathan Cockcroft, John Gardiner, George (Reigate)
Alison, Michael Cooke, Robert (Bristol W) Gardner, Edward (S Fylde)
Amery, Rt Hon Julian Cope, John Garrett, W. E. (Wallsend)
Arnold, Tom Cormack, Patrick Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir Ian (Chesham)
Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) Corrie, John Gilmour, Sir John (East Fife)
Atkinson, David (B'mouth, East) Costain, A. P. Glyn, Dr Alan
Awdry, Daniel Craig, Rt Hon W. (Belfast E) Godber, Rt Hon Joseph
Baker, Kenneth Critchley, Julian Goodhart, Philip
Banks, Robert Crouch, David Goodhew, Victor
Bell, Ronald Crowder, F. P. Goodlad, Alastair
Bendall, Vivian Dalyell, Tarn Gorst, John
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torbay) Davies, Rt Hon J. (Knutsford) Gow, Ian (Eastbourne)
Bennett, Dr Reginald (Fareham) Dean, Paul (N Somerset) Gower, Sir Raymond (Barry)
Benyon, W. Dodsworth, Geoffrey Grant, Anthony (Harrow C)
Berry, Hon Anthony Douglas-Mann, Bruce Grieve, Percy
Biffen, John Drayson, Burnaby Griffiths, Eldon
Biggs-Davison, John du Cann, Rt Hon Edward Grist, Ian
Blaker, Peter Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth Grylls, Michael
Body, Richard Durant, Tony Hall-Davis, A. G. F.
Boscawen, Hon Robert Dykes, Hugh Hamilton, Archibald (Epsom & Ewell)
Bottomley, Peter Eden, Rt Hon Sir John Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury)
Bowden, A. (Brighton, Kemptown) Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) Hampson, Dr Keith
Boyson, Dr Rhodes (Brent) Elliott, Sir William Hannam, John
Brittan, Leon Ellis, John (Brigg & Scun) Harvie Anderson, Rt Hon Miss
Brocklebank-Fowler, C. Emery, Peter Haselhurst, Alan
Brooke, Hon Peter Evans, Fred (Caerphilly) Hastings, Stephen
Brotherton, Michael Evans, Ioan (Aberdare) Havers, Rt Hon Sir Michael
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Eyre, Reginald Hawkins, Paul
Bryan, Sir Paul Fairbairn, Nicholas Hayhoe, Barney
Buchanan, Richard Farr, John Heseltine, Michael
Buck, Antony Fell, Anthony Hicks, Robert
Budgen, Nick Finsberg, Geoffrey Higgins, Terence L.
Bulmer, Esmond Fisher, Sir Nigel Hodgson, Robin
Butler, Adam (Bosworth) Fletcher, Alex (Edinburgh N) Holland, Philip
Cant, R. B. Fletcher-Cooke, Charles Hordern, Peter
Carlisle, Mark Fookes, Miss Janet Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey
Chalker, Mrs Lynda Forman, Nigel Howell, David (Guildford)
Channon, Paul Forrester, John Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk)
Churchill, W. S. Fowler, Norman (Sutton C'f'd) Hunt, David (Wirral)
Clark, Alan (Plymouth, Sutton) Fox, Marcus Hunt, John (Ravenebourne)
Clark, William (Croydon S) Fraser, Rt Hon H. (Stafford & St) Hurd, Douglas
Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Fry, Peter Hutchison, Michael Clark
Irving, Charles (Cheltenham) Montgomery, vergus Shelton, William (Streatham)
James, David Moore, John (Croydon C) Shepherd, Colin
Jenkin, Rt Hon P. (Wanst'd & W'df'd) More, Jasper (Ludlow) Shersby, Michael
Johnson Smith, G. (E Grinstead) Morgan, Geraint Silvester, Fred
Jones, Arthur (Daventry) Morris, Michael (Northampton S) Sims, Roger
Jopling, Michael Morrison, Charles (Devizes) Sinclair, Sir George
Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith Neave, Airey Skeet, T. H. H.
Kaberry, Sir Donald Nelson, Anthony Skinner, Dennis
Kelley, Richard Neubert, Michael Smith, Dudley (Warwick)
Kershaw, Anthony Newton, Tony Smith, Timothy John (Ashfield)
Kilfedder, James Normanton, Tom Speed, Keith
Kimball, Marcus Nott, John Spence, John
King, Evelyn (South Dorset) Onslow, Cranley Spicer, Jim (W Dorset)
King, Tom (Bridgwater) Oppenheim, Mrs Sally Spicer, Michael (S Worcester)
Kinnock, Neil Osborn, John Sproat, Iain
Kitson, Sir Timothy Page, John (Harrow West) Stainton, Keith
Knight, Mrs Jill Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby) Stanbrook, Ivor
Knox, David Page, Richard (Workington) Stanley, John
Lamont, Norman Parker, John Steen, Anthony (Wavertree)
Langford-Holt, Sir John Parkinson, Cecil Stewart, Ian (Hitchin)
Latham, Michael (Melton) Pattie, Geoffrey Stokes, John
Lawrence, Ivan Percival, Ian Stradling Thomas, J.
Lawson, Nigel Peyton, Rt Hon John Tapsell, Peter
Lester, Jim (Beeston) Pink, R. Bonner Taylor, R. (Croydon NW)
Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch Taylor, Teddy (Cathcart)
Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Prentice, Rt Hon Reg Tebbit, Norman
Lloyd, Ian Price, David (Eastleigh) Temple-Morris, Peter
Loveridge, John Pym, Rt Hon Francis Thatcher, Rt Hon Margaret
Luce, Richard Raison, Timothy Thomas, Rt Hon P. (Hendon S)
McCrindle, Robert Rathbone, Tim Townsend, Cyril D.
Macfarlane, Nell Rees, Peter (Dover & Deal) Trotter, Neville
MacGregor, John Rees-Davies, W. R. van Straubenzee, W. R.
MacKay, Andrew (Stechford) Renton, Rt Hon Sir D. (Hunts) Vaughan, Dr Gerard
Macmillan, Rt Hon M. (Farnham) Renton, Tim (Mid-Sussex) Viggers, Peter
McNair-Wilson, M. (Newbury) Rhodes James, R. Wakeham, John
McNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest) Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon Walker, Rt Hon P. (Worcester)
Madel, David Ridley, Hon Nicholas Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek
Marshall, Michael (Arundel) Ridsdale, Julian Walters, Dennis
Marten, Neil Rifkind, Malcolm Warren, Kenneth
Mates, Michael Rippon, Rt Hon Geoffrey Weatherill, Bernard
Mather, Carol Roberts, Gwllym (Cannock) Wells, John
Maude, Angus Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW) Whitelaw, Rt Hon William
Maudling, Rt Hon Reginald Roberts, Wyn (Conway) Whitney, Raymond
Mawby, Ray Rodgers, George (Chorley) Wiggin, Jerry
Mayhew, Patrick Ross, William (Londonderry) Wilson, William (Coventry SE)
Maynard, Miss Joan Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) Winterton, Nicholas
Meyer, Sir Anthony Rost, Peter (SE Derbyshire) Wood, Rt Hon Richard
Miller, Hat (Bromsgrove) Royle, Sir Anthony Young, Sir G. (Ealing, Acton)
Mills, Peter Sainsbury, Tim Younger, Hon George
Miscampbell, Norman St. John-Stevas, Norman
Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) Scott, Nicholas TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Moate, Roger Scott-Hopkins, James Mr. Spencer Le Marchant and
Molyneaux, James Shaw, Giles (Pudsey) Lord James Douglas-Hamilton
Monro, Hector Shaw, Michael (Scarborough)

Question accordingly negatived.

Lords amendment no. 12 disagreed to.

Amendment in lieu made: In page 77, line 10, leave out 'concerning Scotland' and insert: 'which concerns Scotland (whether or not it also concerns any other part of the United Kingdom) but'.—[Mr. Harry Ewing.]

Lords amendments nos. 5 and 7 to 11 agreed to.

Committee appointed to draw up reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to certain of their amendments to the Bill: Mr. Millan, Mr. Harry Ewing, Mr. James Hamilton, Mr. Pym and Mr. John Stradling Thomas: Three to be the quorum.—[Mr. Millan.]

To withdraw immediately.

Reasons for disagreeing to certain of the Lords amendments reported, and agreed to; to be communicated to the Lords.

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