§ Lords amendment: No. 2, in page 14, leave out lines 29 to 35.
§ Motion made, That this House doth disagree with the Lords in the said amendment.—[Mr. John Smith.]
§ Question put forthwith—
§ The House divided: Ayes 293, Noes 273.
1739| Division No. 316] | AYES | [11.28 p.m. |
| Allaun, Frank | Cocks, Rt Hon Michael (Bristol S) | Ewing, Mrs Winifred (Moray) |
| Anderson, Donald | Cohen, Stanley | Faulds, Andrew |
| Archer, Rt Hon Peter | Coleman, Donald | Fernyhough, Rt Hon E. |
| Ashley, Jack | Colquhoun, Ms Maureen | Fitt, Gerard (Belfast W) |
| Ashton, Joe | Concannon, Rt Hon John | Flannery, Martin |
| Atkins, Ronald (Preston N) | Cook, Robin F. (Edin C) | Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) |
| Atkinson, Norman (H'gey, Tott'ham) | Corbett, Robin | Foot, Rt Hon Michael |
| Bagier, Gordon A. T. | Cowans, Harry | Ford, Ben |
| Bain, Mrs Margaret | Craigen, Jim (Maryhill) | Forrester, John |
| Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) | Crawford, Douglas | Fowler, Gerald (The Wrekin) |
| Barnett, Rt Hon Joel (Heywood) | Crawshaw, Richard | Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd) |
| Bates, Alt | Cronin, John | Freeson, Rt Hon Reginald |
| Bean, R. E. | Crowther, Stan (Rotherham) | Freud, Clement |
| Beith, A. J. | Cryer, Bob | Garrett, John (Norwich S) |
| Benn, Rt Hon Anthony Wedgwood | Cunningham, G. (Islington S) | Garrett, W. E. (Wallsend) |
| Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) | Cunningham, Dr J. (Whiteh) | George, Bruce |
| Bidwell, Sydney | Dalyell, Tam | Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John |
| Bishop, Rt Hon Edward | Davidson, Arthur | Ginsberg, David |
| Blenkinsop, Arthur | Da vies, Bryan (Enfield N) | Golding, John |
| Boardman, H. | Davies, Rt Hon Denzil | Gould, Bryan |
| Booth, Rt Hon Albert | Davis, Clinton (Hackney C) | Gourlay, Harry |
| Boothroyd, Miss Betty | Deakins, Eric | Graham, Ted |
| Boltomley, Rt Hon Arthur | Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) | Grant, John (Islington C) |
| Boyden, James (Bish Auck) | de Freltas, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Grocott, Bruce |
| Bradley, Tom | Dell, Rt Hon Edmund | Hamilton, James (Bothwell) |
| Bray, Dr Jeremy | Dempsey, James | Hardy, Peter |
| Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle W) | Dewar, Donald | Harrison, Rt Hon Walter |
| Buchan, Norman | Doig, Peter | Hart, Rt Hon Judith |
| Buchanan, Richard | Dormand, J. D. | Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy |
| Butler, Mrs Joyce (Wood Green) | Douglas-Mann, Bruce | Hayman, Mrs Helena |
| Callaghan, Rt Hon J. (Cardiff SE) | Duffy, A. E. P. | Healey, Rt Hon Denis |
| Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) | Dunnett, Jack | Heffer, Eric S. |
| Campbell, Ian | Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth | Henderson, Douglas |
| Canavan, Dennis | Eadie, Alex | Hooley, Frank |
| Cant, R. B. | Edge, Geoff | Hooson, Emlyn |
| Carmichael, Neil | Ellis, John (Brigg & Scun) | Horam, John |
| Carter, Ray | Ellis, Tom (Wrexham) | Howell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham, Sm H) |
| Carter-Jones, Lewis | English, Michael | Howells, Geraint (Cardigan) |
| Cartwright, John | Ennals, Rt Hon David | Hoyle, Doug (Nelson) |
| Castle, Rt Hon Barbara | Evans, Gwynfor (Carmarthen) | Huckfield, Les |
| Clemitson, Ivor | Ewing, Harry (Stirling) | Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey) |
| Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) | Molloy, William | Snape, Peter |
| Hughes, Roy (Newport) | Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) | Spearing, Nigel |
| Hunter, Adam | Morris, Rt Hon Charles R. | Spriggs, Leslie |
| Irvine, Rt Hon Sir A. (Edge Hill) | Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) | Stallard, A. W. |
| Irving, Rt Hon S. (Dartford) | Morton, George | Steel, Rt Hon David |
| Jackson, Colin (Brighouse) | Moyle, Rt Hon Roland | Stewart, Rt Hon M. (Fulham) |
| Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln) | Mulley, Rt Hon Frederick | Stoddart, David |
| Janner, Grevilie | Murray, Rt Hon Ronald King | Stott, Roger |
| Jay, Rt Hon Douglas | Newens, Stanley | Strang, Gavin |
| Jeger, Mrs Lena | Noble, Mike | Strauss, Rt Hon G. R. |
| Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) | Oakes, Gordon | Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley |
| John, Brynmor | Ogden, Eric | Swain, Thomas |
| Johnson, James (Hull West) | O'Halloran, Michael | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W) |
| Johnson, Walter (Derby S) | Orbach, Maurice | Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth) |
| Johnston, Russell (Inverness) | Orme, Rt Hon Stanley | Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery) |
| Jones, Alec (Rhondda) | Ovenden, John | Thomas, Mike (Newcastle E) |
| Jones, Barry (East Flint) | Palmer, Arthur | Thomas, Ron (Bristol NW) |
| Jones, Dan (Burnley) | Pardoe, John | Thompson, George |
| Judd, Frank | Park, George | Thorne, Stan (Preston South) |
| Kerr, Russell | Parry, Robert | Tierney, Sydney |
| Kilfedder, James | Pavitt, Laurie | Tilley, John |
| Lamble, David | Pendry, Tom | Tomlinson, John |
| Lamborn, Harry | Penhallgon, David | Tomney, Frank |
| Lamond, James | Perry, Ernest | Torney, Tom |
| Latham, Arthur (Paddington) | Prescott, John | Urwin, T. W. |
| Lee, John | Price, C. (Lewlshain W) | Varley, Rt Hon Eric G. |
| Lestor, Miss Joan (Eton & Slough) | Price, William (Rugby) | Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne V) |
| Lever, Rt Hon Harold | Radice, Giles | Wainwright, Richard (Colne V) |
| Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) | Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S) | Walker, Harold (Doncaster) |
| Litterick, Tom | Reid, George | Walker, Terry (Kingswood) |
| Loyden, Eddie | Richardson, Miss Jo | Ward, Michael |
| Luard, Evan | Roberts, Albert (Normanton) | Watkins, David |
| Lyon, Alexander (York) | Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock) | Watkinson, John |
| Lyons, Edward (Bradford W) | Robertson, George (Hamilton) | Watt, Hamish |
| Mabon, Rt Hon Dr J. Dickson | Robinson, Geoffrey | Weetch, Ken |
| McCartney, Hugh | Roderick, Caerwyn | Weitzman, David |
| McDonald, Dr Oonagh | Rodgers, George (Chorley) | Wellbeloved, James |
| McElhone, Frank | Rodgers, St Hon William (Stockton) | Welsh, Andrew |
| MacFarquhar, Roderick | Rooker, J. W. | White, James (Pollok) |
| McGuire, Michael (Ince) | Roper, John | Whitehead, Phillip |
| McKay, Allen (Penistone) | Rose, Paul B. | Whitlock, William |
| MacKenzie, Rt Hon Gregor | Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) | Wigley, Dafydd |
| Maclennan, Robert | Ross, Rt Hon W. (Kilmarnock) | Willey, Rt Hon Frederick |
| McMillan, Tom (Glasgow C) | Rowlands, Ted | Williams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch) |
| Madden, Max | Sandelson, Neville | Williams, Rt Hon Shirley (Hertford) |
| Magee, Bryan | Sedgemore, Brian | Williams, Sir Thomas (Warrington) |
| Maguire, Frank (Fermanagh) | Selby, Harry | Wilson, Gordon (Dundee E) |
| Mallalleu, J. P. W. | Sever, John | Wilson, Rt Hon Sir Harold (Huyton) |
| Marks, Kenneth | Shaw, Arnold (Ilford South) | Wilson, William (Coventry SE) |
| Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) | Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert | Wise, Mrs Audrey |
| Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) | Shore, Rt Hon Peter | Woodall, Alec |
| Maynard, Miss Joan | Short, Mrs Renée (Wolv NE) | Woof, Robert |
| Meacher, Michael | Silkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford) | Wrigglesworth, Ian |
| Mellish, Rt Hon Robert | Silkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich) | Young, David (Bolton E) |
| Mikardo, Ian | Silverman, Jullus | |
| Millan, Rt Hon Bruce | Skinner, Dennis | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| Miller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride) | Smith, Cyril (Rochdale) | Mr. James Tinn and |
| Mitchell, Austin (Grimsby) | Smith, Rt Hon John (N Lanarkshire) | Mr. Frank R. White. |
| NOES | ||
| Abse, Leo | Brittan, Leon | Critchley, Julian |
| Adley, Robert | Brocklebank-Fowler, C. | Crouch, David |
| Altken, Jonathan | Brooke, Hon Peter | Crowder, F. P. |
| Alison, Michael | Brotherton, Michael | Davies, Ifor (Gower) |
| Arnold, Tom | Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) | Davies, Rt Hon J. (Knutsford) |
| Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) | Bryan, Sir Paul | Dean, Paul (N Somerset) |
| Atkinson, David (B'mouth, East) | Buchanan-Smith, Alick | Dodsworth, Geoffrey |
| Awdry, Daniel | Buck, Antony | Drayson, Burnaby |
| Baker, Kenneth | Budgen, Nick | du Cann, Rt Hon Edward |
| Banks, Robert | Bulmer, Esmond | Durant, Tony |
| Bell, Ronald | Butler, Adam (Bosworth) | Dykes, Hugh |
| Bendall, Vivian | Carlisle, Mark | Eden, Rt Hon Sir John |
| Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torbay) | Chalker, Mrs Lynda | Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) |
| Bennett, Dr Reginald (Fareham) | Channon, Paul | Elliott, Sir William |
| Benyon, W. | Churchill, W. S. | Emery, Peter |
| Biffen, John | Clark, Alan (Plymouth, Sutton) | Evans, Ioan (Aberdare) |
| Biggs-Davison, John | Clark, William (Croydon S) | Eyre, Reginald |
| Blaker, Peter | Clarke, Kenneth (Ruchcliffe) | Fairbairn, Nicholas |
| Body, Richard | Clegg, Walter | Fairgrieve, Russell |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Cooke, Robert (Bristol W) | Farr, John |
| Bottomley, Peter | Cope, John | Fell, Anthony |
| Bowden, A. (Brighton, Kemptown) | Cormack, Patrick | Finsberg, Geoffrey |
| Boyson, Dr Rhodes (Brent) | Corrie, John | Fisher, Sir Nigel |
| Bradford, Rev Robert | Costain, A. P. | Fletcher, Alex (Edinburgh N) |
| Bralne, Sir Bernard | Craig, Rt Hon W. (Belfast E) | Fletcher-Cooke, Charles |
| Fookes, Miss Janet | Le Marchant, Spencer | Ridsdale, Julian |
| Forman, Nigel | Lester, Jim (Beeston) | Rifkind, Malcolm |
| Fowler, Norman (Sutton C'f'd) | Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) | Rippon, Rt Hon Geoffrey |
| Fox, Marcus | Lloyd, Ian | Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW) |
| Fraser, Rt Hon H. (Stafford & St) | Loveridge, John | Roberts, Wyn (Conway) |
| Fry, Peter | Luce, Richard | Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks) |
| Galbraith, Hon T. G. D. | McCrindle, Robert | Ross, William (Londonderry) |
| Gardiner, George (Reigate) | Macfarlane, Nell | Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) |
| Gardner, Edward (S Fylde) | MacGregor, John | Rost, Peter (SE Derbyshire) |
| Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir Ian (Chesham) | MacKay, Andrew (Stechford) | Royle, Sir Anthony |
| Gilmour, Sir John (East Fife) | Macmillan, Rt Hon M. (Farnham) | Sainsbury, Tim |
| Glyn, Dr Alan | McNair-Wilson, M. (Newbury) | St. John-Stevas, Norman |
| Godber, Rt Hon Joseph | McNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest) | Scott, Nicholas |
| Goodhart, Philip | Madel, David | Scott-Hopkins, James |
| Goodhew, Victor | Marshall. Michael (Arundel) | Shaw, Giles (Pudsey) |
| Goodlad, Alastair | Marten, Nell | Shaw, Michael (Scarborough) |
| Gorst, John | Mates, Michael | Shelton, William (Streatham) |
| Gow, Ian (Eastbourne) | Mather, Carol | Shepherd, Colin |
| Gower, Sir Raymond (Barry) | Maude, Angus | Shersby, Michael |
| Grieve, Percy | Maudling, Rt Hon Reginald | Silvester, Fred |
| Griffiths, Eldon | Mawby, Ray | Sims, Roger |
| Grist, Ian | Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin | Sinclair, Sir George |
| Grylls, Michael | Mayhew, Patrick | Skeet, T. H. H. |
| Hall-Davis, A. G. F. | Meyer, Sir Anthony | Smith, Dudley (Warwick) |
| Hamilton, Archibald (Epsom & Ewell) | Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove) | Smith, Timothy John (Ashfield) |
| Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) | Mills, Peter | Speed, Keith |
| Hampson, Dr Keith | Miscampbell, Norman | Spence, John |
| Hannam, John | Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) | Spicer, Jim (W Dorset) |
| Harvie Anderson, Rt Hon Miss | Moate, Roger | Spicer, Michael (S Worcester) |
| Haselhurst, Alan | Molyneaux, James | Sproat, Iain |
| Havers, Rt Hon Sir Michael | Monro, Hector | Stainton, Keith |
| Hawkins, Paul | Montgomery, Fergus | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Hayhoe, Barney | Moore, John (Croydon C) | Stanley. John |
| Heath, Rt Hon Edward | More, Jasoer (Ludlow) | Steen, Anthony (Wavertree) |
| Heseltine, Michael | Morgan, Geraint | Stewart, Ian (Hitchin) |
| Hicks, Robert | Morris, Michael (Northampton S) | Stokes, John |
| Higgins, Terence L. | Morrison, Charles (Devizes) | Stradling Thomas, J. |
| Hodgson, Robin | Neave, Airey | Tapsell, Peter |
| Holland, Philip | Nelson, Anthony | Taylor, R. (Croydon NW) |
| Hordern, Peter | Neubert, Michael | Taylor, Teddy (Cathcart) |
| Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Newton, Tony | Tebbit, Norman |
| Howell, David (Guildford) | Normanton, Tom | Temple-Morris, Peter |
| Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk) | Nott, John | Thatcher, Rt Hon Margaret |
| Hunt, David (Wirral) | Onslow, Cranley | Thomas, Rt Hon P. (Hendon S) |
| Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) | Oppenheim, Mrs Sally | Townsend, Cyril D. |
| Hurd, Douglas | Osborn, John | Trotter, Neville |
| Hutchison, Michael Clark | Page, John (Harrow West) | van Straubenzee, W. R. |
| Irving, Charles (Cheltenham) | Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby) | Vaughan, Dr Gerard |
| James, David | Page, Richard (Workington) | Viggers, Peter |
| Jenkin, Rt Hon P. (Wanst'd&W'df'd) | Parkinson, Cecil | Wakeham, John |
| Johnson Smith, G. (E Grinslead) | Pattie, Geoffrey | Walker, Rt Hon P. (Worcester) |
| Jones, Arthur (Daventry) | Percival, Ian | Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek |
| Jopling, Michael | Peyton, Rt Hon John | Walters, Dennis |
| Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith | Pink, R. Bonner | Warren, Kenneth |
| Kaberry, Sir Donald | Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch | Weatherill, Bernard |
| Kershaw, Anthony | Prentice, Rt Hon Reg | Wells, John |
| Kimball, Marcus | Price, David (Eastleigh) | Whitelaw, Rt Hon William |
| King, Evelyn (South Dorset) | Pym, Rt Hon Francis | Whitney, Raymond |
| King, Tom (Bridgwater) | Raison, Timothy | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Kitson, Sir Timothy | Rathbone, Tim | Winterton, Nicholas |
| Knight, Mrs Jill | Rees, Peter (Dover & Deal) | Wood, Rt Hon Richard |
| Knox, David | Rees-Davies, W. R. | Young, Sir G. (Ealing, Acton) |
| Lamont, Norman | Renton, Rt Hon Sir D. (Hunts) | Younger, Hon George |
| Langlord-Holt, Sir John | Renton, Tim (Mid-Sussex) | |
| Latham, Michael (Melton) | Rhodes James, R. | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Lawrence, Ivan | Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon | Mr. Anthony Berry and |
| Lawson, Nigel | Ridley, Hon Nicholas | Lord James Douglas-Hamilton. |
§ Question accordingly agreed to.
§ Lords amendments nos. 3 to 13 disagreed to.
§ Amendments made in lieu thereof:
§ In page 52, leave out lines 20 and 21.
§
Page 52, leave out line 30 and insert—
'and 13.
The functions under section 14 except so far as exercisable in relation to property held by or on behalf of the Assembly or by a company all of whose shares are so held or
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by a wholly owned subsidiary of such a company.
The functions under section 19(7) and (8).'
§ In page 54, line 22, leave out 'paragraphs 16(3) and 48' and insert 'paragraph 16(3)'.
§
In page 54, leave out lines 26 to 31 and insert—
'The functions under paragraphs 46 to 50 of Schedule 3 so far as exercisable by virtue of representations made by excepted statutory undertakers.
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The powers under paragraph 53 of Schedule 3 so far as their exercise is incidental to functions which remain exercisable by a Minster of the Crown.'
§ Transfer line 22 on page 52 to 38 on page 54 to Part VIII of Schedule 2 to the Bill.
§
In page 84, line 28, at end insert—
'(3) The Welsh Assembly shall publish each report received by it under this paragraph.'
§ In page 85, line 13, leave out 'in section 3(1)(e)' and insert '(1) In subsection (1)(e) of section 3'
§
In page 85, line 16, at end insert—
'(2) At the end of subsection (8) of that section there shall be added the words "; and the Welsh Assembly shall publish every report made to it under that provision."'.—[Mr. John Smith.]
§ Lords amendment no. 14 disagreed to.
§ Amendments made in lieu thereof:
§
In page 25, line 4, leave out from first 'Assembly' to 'provide' in line 5 and insert
'a Minister of the Crown may by order'.
§ In page 25, line 6, leave out 'it' and insert he'.
§ In page 25, line 10, leave out 'Assembly' and insert 'Minister making the order'.
§
In page 25, line 12, leave out from 'except' to end of line 13 and insert
'at the request of the Assembly and after the Assembly has consulted'.
§ In page 25, line 15, leave out subsection (4).—[Mr. John Smith.]
§ Lords amendment no. 15 agreed to.
§ The Lords insist on their amendments in page 28, line 23, page 64, line 21, and page 76, line 9, to which the Commons have disagreed.
§ Mr. John SmithI beg to move, That this House doth not insist on their disagreement to Lords amendments in page 28, line 23, page 64, line 21, and page 76, line 9.
§ Question put and agreed to.
§ The Lords disagree to the Commons amendments to the words restored to the Bill in page 52, line 20, page 52, line 22, page 52, line 30, page 54, line 23, page 54, line 26, page 84, line 28, page 85, line 13, and page 85, line 16.
§ Mr. John SmithI beg to move, That this House doth not insist on its amend- 1742 ments to the words restored to the Bill to which the Lords have disagreed, in page 52, line 20, page 52, line 22, page 52, line 30, page 54, line 23, page 54, line 26, page 84, line 28, page 85, line 13, and page 85, line 16.
§ Question put and agreed to.
§ The Lords do not insist on their second amendment in page 75, line 29, to which the Commons have disagreed, but propose the following amendment in lieu thereof: